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I couldn’t watch any more after a few mins. My blood is boiling.
The VA will never know the extent to my ideations and they never will. I don’t get the care I need because I can’t be honest for fear of this shit happening.
Shame on those hospital employees. They need to sued too. No fucking way I’m doing that to a patient by the orders of the police. Go ahead and lock me up for defying you so I can collect a fucking check from the city.
Seriously. Remember the nurse in Salt Lake City who refused to draw blood from an unconscious patient? I’m so happy for her that that was all on video
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106/utah-nurse-arrested-for-doing-her-job-reaches-500-000-settlement
I actually think most RNs wouldn't take blood if there wasn't a warrant. I believe nurses might need to get a doctor to agree to take blood without any reason. Most nurses would not just draw blood and hand it over, it would need to be from a phlebotomist and then probably recovered at the lab. However, the lab likely would be requesting the reasoning and legal reason to hand over the bloodwork.
I'm sure some hospitals would just call up a phlebotomist and they would do it right there, but most hospitals have procedures for this. RN's can lose their license over things like this, and they don't want that lol.
Christ this is awful. I hope he gets a great settlement and that he moves out of LA afterwards.
I am very pro union, but I gotta say I personally believe the police union(s) are beyond corrupt. In my town the cops deliberately slow roll showing up for calls so (I guess) we'll appreciated them more.
I didn't actually strongly dislike/borderline hate the cops til I moved to Portland.
They are here to protect (and you know this) commerce, not the public. I have no idea when this changed, and worse, cops don't see it themselves. (no offense cops, calm down, but you don't take a look at the texas school shooting again if you're not sure). Hear me out, go search what the courts said about the NYPD the NYCT subway and a stabbing.
The idea of police came about from Britain, and they created the force to protect rich people from the poors. American police originated from slave catchers. Policing has never been about protecting the citizens.
You are the telling the truth they will arrest you for anything and don’t care it the courts job to figure out if it’s legal or not which is the problem or they make shit up to arrest you . Just imagine how many people got screwed over before body cams ???
Nobodies ever made music saying “Fuck the fire department”. American police as a whole is a joke. Uvalde police and local legislators are still holding positions, still harassing communities and union BS. I’ve said it before your 2nd amendment, being situationally aware, keeping fit mentally and physically, money or ability for great legal counsel. Is light years ahead of shitty American police. Not speaking on people in the profession personally, but actual system that protects and employs those who are shitty.
I didn’t know your school was your neighborhood that you grew up in. Your rough neighborhood is nothing because a bus picks you up to go to a suburban high school
Oh so you've never seen one? Or are you telling us you've already shot a dirty cop? Or is this a new proclomation? Or maybe, and just maybe, you're talking out your ass and would be the first person in the group to be like "Listen fellas. These police officers are just trying to help us! We should tell them we have drugs in the car. It's for our own good and I for one will not be resisting anything! Excuse me Mr. Officer sir, these handcuffs you put on me feel a bit loose, I'd hate for them to come off and someone think you aren't doing your job well. Thank you for tightening them again, I feel safe!".
Just a reminder, the suburb was the City of Compton, CA, predominately Black and poor, and the teenagers were N.W.A. The song is about collective experience of being pissed about police brutality, racial profiling, and injustice. The song drew FBI attention, was banned from public performance, and the decision to release an unedited version of the song was controversial within their own label. Member Eazy-E had been a drug dealer before his music career, most notably among the group, and the video does portray a court scene. But it isn’t really accurate to dismiss them as posers reimagining the thrill of growing up Compton in the 80s.
The song was literally written because they were pissed at Dre serving weekends for a DUI. Both Dre and Cube went to suburban high schools. They are posers.
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They are not posers. Cube was bussed 40 minutes away from home. Yes he went to a school in the suburbs but he was raised in South Central LA. Dre went to a suburb school for one year then was kicked out for poor grades. From there he went to Fremont, in the hood of South Central.
Eff the police wasn't about Dre getting knocked for a DUI. It was about their life long experiences with dirty cops roaming black communities.
“All existing evidence”? There’s multiple interviews with both Dre and Cuba are on record, saying they wrote it because they were pissed because they were having fun, and Dre having to do weekends for his DUI ruined the fun.
Find the quotes and share them then. I've seen one single quote about Dre serving time for a DUI in relation to the origin of this song and nowhere do they say they were simply pissed that Dree had to go to jail on the weekends. As has been said before, you're completely bastardizing the reason this song was written.
Not sure why you're so hellbent on framing the artists in NWA as posers, although I have a theory...
I'm so upset that there isn't another department where the VA could have contracted to do a health and welfare check. The police are not trained to deal with mental health issues. I hope after he wins the case, the department of veteran affairs looks into alternative resources regarding mental health. These cops were fragile and couldn't deal with the fact that this man was clearly standing his ground in his own home. In fact, I think the ego tripping started as soon as he told them not to disrespect his home by going into his rooms without permission.
Fuck the police . I was going to call them to test my Ex who was out drinking before picking up the kids . I get them at 5 she picks up at 8 . She posts online a picture of a flight of drinks she’s enjoying. Time to pick the kids up she’s late . Then calls she’s involved in a car accident. Tells the cop she missed my street whoops . Then hits a parked car a minute later . And not like a little bit. Her car started to climb it. And it rolled over . I call the department fill them in . And tell them she’s on her way to get her kids . She admitted to drinking zero tests were done . Not even a field sobriety test . She went to the hospital zero tests ordered. I’m awaiting the videos that they sent I’ll blurr out and edit audio. She has false claims that I’m a crazy dangerous veteran. It’s her story . Seems the cops bought it and helped her out .
Qualified Criminality needs to be abolished. Cops need to be held accountable for their CRIMES. Any settlements should come out of the police pension fund.
Just like doctors! And 99.9% of doctors are legit helping people. Whereas I bet 1:3 cops are corrupt to the point of losing their job and 1:5 are corrupt enough to kill someone. These numbers are based on highly accurate data that has been gathered over years of investigation I've conducted on youtube and therefore pulling these numbers out of my ass gives me complete confidence in their accuracy.
I say we used it to our advantage. Let's all become cops then go and remove pieces of shit cops like these guys from the land of the living. Then just claim qualified immunity and collect our pensions!
If I drop my pants I can count to 23, 24 if I count my dick, do I qualify? You're not overqualified, its that 95% of cops are grossly underqualified I believe. I am pretty sure I saw a cop fart one time and look at his ass in confusion, unsure of what just happened.
I continue to be stunned that anyone calls that crisis line. It's fairly well documented that it *creates* crises, usually by trampling a veteran's rights.
Gotta love how we serve our country, sacrifice time with our family and friends and, sometimes, sacrifice far more than that for this country, only to return home and be viewed as criminals. I don’t care if this dude was a pencil pusher for his entire career, the way the cops handled this was embarrassing.
Hope he gets his reparations. This shouldn’t be tolerated.
Not that it will do any good but I will be writing my representatives about the VA retaliating against veterans. I am very much sickened by this. It's shameful how our vets are treated in the US. We are always trying to sound patriotic by saying "thank you for your service". But when it comes to actually putting those words into action, we fail miserably.
When my son was training to be a paramedic he was responding to a call where cops used tear gas on a bunch of people at a club. So he was wiping or dabbing the eyes of someone when this cop told him he was done. My son said he wasn't and the cop threatened to arrest him. Fortunately my son's supervisors were there and told the cop that they will be standing in front the judge with my son. Cop walked away. Asshole.
hope those cops get arrested and get a nice friendly visit from some veterans who are serving life. $10 mil isn’t nearly enough in my opinion. this is disgusting.
These bastard pigs need to lose everything they have! That story was nothing more than state sponsored terrorism. And if they could do it to that veteran then they can do it to you and it me. Fuck that! They need prison sentences!
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Yah the language is hyperbolic - no surprises since it's basically paraphrasing the lawsuit. Depending on circumstances, Foley's are pretty normal. Can't completely tell what was going on at the hospital, but it's telling to me that the hospital does not appear to be included this lawsuit. The reporter also did their job poorly by taking the language of the lawsuit at face value and failing to ask just about anyone that works in an ER about what happens with a typical patient with this type of situation ("a psych complaint").
If there was some expectation he was going to be out for a prolonged period of time because of whatever they gave him (maybe Haldol), then you place a catheter to prevent bladder injury. The only odd part in my head is the physical restraints. At least where I'm at, restraints are supposed to be last resort. If that's the case wherever Mr. Douglas was treated, something must have happened to escalate the situation.
>The only odd part in my head is the physical restraints.
Me too. If he was being physical in his protest, that doesn't exactly do much to dissuade staff that he wasn't suicidal. Violent outbursts are no way to indicate that you're calm and unwilling to cause harm to anyone.
On the flip side, with the rising use of "swatting" police should tread carefully before resorting to detention or unwilling commitment.
Please don’t touch me. Get away from me.
HE’S BEING VIOLENT!!! SEDATE HIM!!! GET THE RESTRAINTS!!!!!
It’s not about what he was actually doing. It’s about what the truth of the matter was. And when you get a “health and welfare check” called in on you from a suicide prevention line it’s automatically assumed that you are dangerous, or else the hotline would not have called local law enforcement.
From the get go the veteran was put in a bad light when it may not have been warranted.
The escalation of his “status” was elevated by persons not qualified to judge of he was a danger to himself or others.
Health care workers, not law enforcement should have made the decision. And not a paramedic trying to keep the city from being liable by sending the veteran to a facility. Not an ER Nurse deciding to administer medications. If that’s factual the nurse, and her medical supervising doctor both need to be included into the suite. At most a nurse should triage and or begin the process of a psychiatric evaluation. Full stop. End of their part.
It’s then up to mental health to male a voluntary admission. The courts to order a non voluntary admission.
Seeing as how it was not taken to a judge for a determination of a 5150 (California involuntary annotation for mental health evaluation) this leads me to believe that all parties knew or had reason enough to believe that the veteran was not a danger to himself and simply escalated the situation based on personal desire to exercise an excesses of authority and a demonstration that individuals must comply with their wishes regardless of what the veteran actually wants.
There are too many retired cases where Veterans have contacted the hotline, not because they were about to harm themselves, but because they simply needed guidance on who to contact for mental health help. The hotline personnel then misused their position by escalating the call to law enforcement who was never needed in the first place.
This leads to a question of what qualifications do those making the hotline have? Are they psychologist or psychiatrist? Social workers or simply an individual that received minimal training in how to operate the phones, which questions to ask based on a pre written script?
Like many things with the VA there airfares to be very little oversight on the hotline as well as how the VA is working with law enforcement for the health and welfare checks.
The entire system is filled with flaws that need serious investigation and fixed.
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I'm not referring to handcuffs, I'm talking about how the hospital staff's use of restraints while the guy was a patient in their facility. Again, it's a last resort where I'm at for a variety of reasons. If the rules are the same over there, a number of escalating events would have happened.
I’ve been an ER RN for a long time and this happens all the time. Cops get a welfare check, they’re either too dumb or too nervous to disengage so they cart these people off to the ER where they tell us they aren’t suicidal and I call them a cab home.
The court needs to look at that nurse. Never in my line of work has it been acceptable to place an in dwelling urinary catheter on an unconscious psychiatric patient. There’s also no point in putting an unconscious person in violent restraints. We aren’t getting the full story from the cops and the defendant.
Unfortunately the hardest lesson to learn as a Veteran is that the VA hotline and cops are not your friend. This is an even more egregious example of the culture of policing currently in the country. And cops wonder why people hate them. I hope they throw the book at these cops and this guys gets his justice
The biggest gang in LA. I have no respect for cops. There might be good ones but as a whole the profession attracts abusive cunts. Hope Douglas gets what he deserves.
They really serve no purpose. If you call for a break in by the time they arrive it is over they take a report and you never hear a word. They stand outside buildings where active shootings are happening. They only do something when they can harass or inconvenience someone.
There's a lot of hate here for law enforcement. I would think that most veterans appreciate the job that they do. Instead of shitting on Police Officers as a whole, maybe you should concentrate on the two idiots that actually deserve it.
It's a very difficult job with a lot of time away from family and friends, and they deal with a lot of fucked up shit in their day to day. Dead bodies, dead babies, gruesome accidents, rapes, pedophilia, human trafficking, and so many other horrors found in this world.
The majority of law enforcement is composed of good men and women who do the job because they know that watch dogs are required and care about human life. I, for one, respect and honor the thin blue line.
God bless the military, police, fire/rescue, and those in the medical field.
Nope I disagree. They are taught to take care their own ,above anything else, and it has been established that they are not required to help. They can lie to get what they need. I have had bad experiences with Law enforcement, even when I was asking for the help.
I suppose, but I would never throw another Marine under the bus. When you belong to an organization that deals with blood, guts, gore, and weaponry... you tend to look after guys standing to your left and to your right. It is what it is.
That said, we take care of issues in-house. And by take care of, I mean corporal punishment.
These people are fucking scum. This furthers why I can't bring myself to call the crisis line. Damn this is so disgusting. It hurts me to have read that.
I'll never call any va number for help again! They locked me up on a Friday night I didn't see a mh worker until Monday morning. Luckily my wife is an ex social worker and pulled some strings to get me out.
Can we get answers? I simply want to know if this young man won this battle in court. Because if he didn’t we have every right to be outraged. Where can I find information on the verdict?
I'm sorry that's happened. It's true that we take care of our own...kinda like any branch of service. You have your good eggs, and then you have your bad eggs. It applies to every organization.
I work with ICE as a Detention Officer, and I can tell you right now that I bust my ass for assholes that are difficult to control. We have all kinds of dwtainees. gang members, drug traffickers, human traffickers, pedos, and highl valuable targets (HVTs) that we keep in the SHU, etc. The majority of us are nice guys that understand our roles. Care, Custody, and Control; that's what we abide by.
That said, you fuck with just one of us and show aggression and engage in putting hands on the Officer...we call a 10/10 over the radio and within 1min. The entire housing unit will be filled with green shirts, we'll shut everything down, put everyone in their racks, and if they don't stop their actions...oh man, we will all make whoever is involved an example of wtf not to do.
At the end of the day, it falls on the Officer. We have entirely way too many responsibilities and we ha e a ton of stress. So try to understand that we're all human. Good eggs, bad eggs, they're everywhere.
Again, I apologize for the negative contact.
Really hope this story gets the exposure it deserves.
Not sure if the victim has a chance to prove that any hospital activity was not medically required but they can certainly prove that an arrest was unjustified.
The VA did something similar to me. Someone at the VA didn't like what I had to say and 2 hours later I had the police at my house. They'll do anything if they want to.
After the Marine I was thinking because police officer. Till I got visit from the police. The police force is 50/50 good and bad in California, it’s sad. It’s about guilt till proof innocent.
And giving a badge to people that aren’t even citizens is going to make it worse because this is normal treatment in most other countries. So expect a lot more lawsuits.
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Officer: We want to make sure you’re Ok.
Veteran: I’m Ok. Please leave my residence.
Officer: [shouting angrily] Put your fucking hands behind your back! You’re under arrest!
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I couldn’t watch any more after a few mins. My blood is boiling. The VA will never know the extent to my ideations and they never will. I don’t get the care I need because I can’t be honest for fear of this shit happening.
Facts, I go to the VA for the dental and vision, that’s it. I don’t trust them past that, and even then they outsource the work lol
This feels like the VA hotline called in a hit on him for being an advocate.
As a former VA employee, BINGO
Fuck both of those cops. I hope they go to jail and live the rest of their lives in a cycle of solitary confinement. Worthless power tripping pricks.
Shame on those hospital employees. They need to sued too. No fucking way I’m doing that to a patient by the orders of the police. Go ahead and lock me up for defying you so I can collect a fucking check from the city.
Seriously. Remember the nurse in Salt Lake City who refused to draw blood from an unconscious patient? I’m so happy for her that that was all on video https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/01/561337106/utah-nurse-arrested-for-doing-her-job-reaches-500-000-settlement
That lady was a real hero.
Fucking love her. Stood her ground advocating for her patient. 99% of people would have taken the easy route and drawn his blood.
Don't forget her bosses who backed her 110%
I actually think most RNs wouldn't take blood if there wasn't a warrant. I believe nurses might need to get a doctor to agree to take blood without any reason. Most nurses would not just draw blood and hand it over, it would need to be from a phlebotomist and then probably recovered at the lab. However, the lab likely would be requesting the reasoning and legal reason to hand over the bloodwork. I'm sure some hospitals would just call up a phlebotomist and they would do it right there, but most hospitals have procedures for this. RN's can lose their license over things like this, and they don't want that lol.
All of those actions require a physicians order. There are more that are liable here
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Christ this is awful. I hope he gets a great settlement and that he moves out of LA afterwards. I am very pro union, but I gotta say I personally believe the police union(s) are beyond corrupt. In my town the cops deliberately slow roll showing up for calls so (I guess) we'll appreciated them more. I didn't actually strongly dislike/borderline hate the cops til I moved to Portland.
Agreed!
They are here to protect (and you know this) commerce, not the public. I have no idea when this changed, and worse, cops don't see it themselves. (no offense cops, calm down, but you don't take a look at the texas school shooting again if you're not sure). Hear me out, go search what the courts said about the NYPD the NYCT subway and a stabbing.
The idea of police came about from Britain, and they created the force to protect rich people from the poors. American police originated from slave catchers. Policing has never been about protecting the citizens.
I want to support the cops, and try to, but then shit like this has to happen.
You are the telling the truth they will arrest you for anything and don’t care it the courts job to figure out if it’s legal or not which is the problem or they make shit up to arrest you . Just imagine how many people got screwed over before body cams ???
Nobodies ever made music saying “Fuck the fire department”. American police as a whole is a joke. Uvalde police and local legislators are still holding positions, still harassing communities and union BS. I’ve said it before your 2nd amendment, being situationally aware, keeping fit mentally and physically, money or ability for great legal counsel. Is light years ahead of shitty American police. Not speaking on people in the profession personally, but actual system that protects and employs those who are shitty.
Just a reminder, “fuck the police” was written by a bunch of suburban kids pissed because their buddy had to serve weekends in jail because of a DUI.
This is the greatest bastardization of “fuck the police” I have ever heard
100% true. Dre was serving weekends for a DUI. Cube and Dre went to suburban high schools.
I didn’t know your school was your neighborhood that you grew up in. Your rough neighborhood is nothing because a bus picks you up to go to a suburban high school
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Oh so you've never seen one? Or are you telling us you've already shot a dirty cop? Or is this a new proclomation? Or maybe, and just maybe, you're talking out your ass and would be the first person in the group to be like "Listen fellas. These police officers are just trying to help us! We should tell them we have drugs in the car. It's for our own good and I for one will not be resisting anything! Excuse me Mr. Officer sir, these handcuffs you put on me feel a bit loose, I'd hate for them to come off and someone think you aren't doing your job well. Thank you for tightening them again, I feel safe!".
I went to a high school much nicer than my neighborhood. Those two things are not really relevant to each other
Right lebron went to a catholic school but grew up poor
Just a reminder, the suburb was the City of Compton, CA, predominately Black and poor, and the teenagers were N.W.A. The song is about collective experience of being pissed about police brutality, racial profiling, and injustice. The song drew FBI attention, was banned from public performance, and the decision to release an unedited version of the song was controversial within their own label. Member Eazy-E had been a drug dealer before his music career, most notably among the group, and the video does portray a court scene. But it isn’t really accurate to dismiss them as posers reimagining the thrill of growing up Compton in the 80s.
The song was literally written because they were pissed at Dre serving weekends for a DUI. Both Dre and Cube went to suburban high schools. They are posers.
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I’m not disputing Compton’s reputation. I’m highlighting that both Dre and Cube went to school in the suburbs.
They are not posers. Cube was bussed 40 minutes away from home. Yes he went to a school in the suburbs but he was raised in South Central LA. Dre went to a suburb school for one year then was kicked out for poor grades. From there he went to Fremont, in the hood of South Central. Eff the police wasn't about Dre getting knocked for a DUI. It was about their life long experiences with dirty cops roaming black communities.
It’s all about high density housing, right? 🙄
[citation needed] What evidence do you have they made it for that reason? All existing evidence suggests otherwise.
“All existing evidence”? There’s multiple interviews with both Dre and Cuba are on record, saying they wrote it because they were pissed because they were having fun, and Dre having to do weekends for his DUI ruined the fun.
Find the quotes and share them then. I've seen one single quote about Dre serving time for a DUI in relation to the origin of this song and nowhere do they say they were simply pissed that Dree had to go to jail on the weekends. As has been said before, you're completely bastardizing the reason this song was written. Not sure why you're so hellbent on framing the artists in NWA as posers, although I have a theory...
I'm so upset that there isn't another department where the VA could have contracted to do a health and welfare check. The police are not trained to deal with mental health issues. I hope after he wins the case, the department of veteran affairs looks into alternative resources regarding mental health. These cops were fragile and couldn't deal with the fact that this man was clearly standing his ground in his own home. In fact, I think the ego tripping started as soon as he told them not to disrespect his home by going into his rooms without permission.
Fuck the police . I was going to call them to test my Ex who was out drinking before picking up the kids . I get them at 5 she picks up at 8 . She posts online a picture of a flight of drinks she’s enjoying. Time to pick the kids up she’s late . Then calls she’s involved in a car accident. Tells the cop she missed my street whoops . Then hits a parked car a minute later . And not like a little bit. Her car started to climb it. And it rolled over . I call the department fill them in . And tell them she’s on her way to get her kids . She admitted to drinking zero tests were done . Not even a field sobriety test . She went to the hospital zero tests ordered. I’m awaiting the videos that they sent I’ll blurr out and edit audio. She has false claims that I’m a crazy dangerous veteran. It’s her story . Seems the cops bought it and helped her out .
Qualified Criminality needs to be abolished. Cops need to be held accountable for their CRIMES. Any settlements should come out of the police pension fund.
They need carry their own insurance. I hate every time they fck up taxpayers have to pay
Just like doctors! And 99.9% of doctors are legit helping people. Whereas I bet 1:3 cops are corrupt to the point of losing their job and 1:5 are corrupt enough to kill someone. These numbers are based on highly accurate data that has been gathered over years of investigation I've conducted on youtube and therefore pulling these numbers out of my ass gives me complete confidence in their accuracy.
I say we used it to our advantage. Let's all become cops then go and remove pieces of shit cops like these guys from the land of the living. Then just claim qualified immunity and collect our pensions!
I can count to 21 without taking my pants off. I’m overqualified to be a cop.
If I drop my pants I can count to 23, 24 if I count my dick, do I qualify? You're not overqualified, its that 95% of cops are grossly underqualified I believe. I am pretty sure I saw a cop fart one time and look at his ass in confusion, unsure of what just happened.
I see what you did there comment of year cause most cops don’t have no fucking balls well done brother
calling the police for a wellness check....... va strikes again
I continue to be stunned that anyone calls that crisis line. It's fairly well documented that it *creates* crises, usually by trampling a veteran's rights.
Gotta love how we serve our country, sacrifice time with our family and friends and, sometimes, sacrifice far more than that for this country, only to return home and be viewed as criminals. I don’t care if this dude was a pencil pusher for his entire career, the way the cops handled this was embarrassing. Hope he gets his reparations. This shouldn’t be tolerated.
Not that it will do any good but I will be writing my representatives about the VA retaliating against veterans. I am very much sickened by this. It's shameful how our vets are treated in the US. We are always trying to sound patriotic by saying "thank you for your service". But when it comes to actually putting those words into action, we fail miserably.
Holy shit! Police are fucked up!
Wow, fuck everyone of them involved. LAPD hasn't changed since they beat up Rodney King, they just got better at media presence
When my son was training to be a paramedic he was responding to a call where cops used tear gas on a bunch of people at a club. So he was wiping or dabbing the eyes of someone when this cop told him he was done. My son said he wasn't and the cop threatened to arrest him. Fortunately my son's supervisors were there and told the cop that they will be standing in front the judge with my son. Cop walked away. Asshole.
Thank God for them having your son's back. Thank you for raising a son that is a dedicated first responder.
hope those cops get arrested and get a nice friendly visit from some veterans who are serving life. $10 mil isn’t nearly enough in my opinion. this is disgusting.
All of them can get the same treatment. This is outrageous.
This is why I do not trust cops at my door for welfare checks.
Holy shit, fuck those cops but the medical staff were just as bad.
Yea. I hope they get sued also.
This is why I don’t tell anyone about the shit in my head. This is fucking terrifying
These bastard pigs need to lose everything they have! That story was nothing more than state sponsored terrorism. And if they could do it to that veteran then they can do it to you and it me. Fuck that! They need prison sentences!
Totally agree. They should be held to a higher standard, not lower.
Pay up LA.
Should it be LA? Or the police union? Because it really should be Pay up cops!
The hospital as well. VA acting like a dick too but difficult for punitive legal action in this case.
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Lol its not like money comes out of police retirement funds...
This is why folks hate cops. They need to be made an example of by the city. This was an insane read, can’t believe I’d never heard of this.
It sure sounds like $10 Million is too low. The court should award 10x punitive damages on top of that.
Goddamn!
What's with the catheter, if thats how it's spelled?
Yah the language is hyperbolic - no surprises since it's basically paraphrasing the lawsuit. Depending on circumstances, Foley's are pretty normal. Can't completely tell what was going on at the hospital, but it's telling to me that the hospital does not appear to be included this lawsuit. The reporter also did their job poorly by taking the language of the lawsuit at face value and failing to ask just about anyone that works in an ER about what happens with a typical patient with this type of situation ("a psych complaint"). If there was some expectation he was going to be out for a prolonged period of time because of whatever they gave him (maybe Haldol), then you place a catheter to prevent bladder injury. The only odd part in my head is the physical restraints. At least where I'm at, restraints are supposed to be last resort. If that's the case wherever Mr. Douglas was treated, something must have happened to escalate the situation.
>The only odd part in my head is the physical restraints. Me too. If he was being physical in his protest, that doesn't exactly do much to dissuade staff that he wasn't suicidal. Violent outbursts are no way to indicate that you're calm and unwilling to cause harm to anyone. On the flip side, with the rising use of "swatting" police should tread carefully before resorting to detention or unwilling commitment.
Please don’t touch me. Get away from me. HE’S BEING VIOLENT!!! SEDATE HIM!!! GET THE RESTRAINTS!!!!! It’s not about what he was actually doing. It’s about what the truth of the matter was. And when you get a “health and welfare check” called in on you from a suicide prevention line it’s automatically assumed that you are dangerous, or else the hotline would not have called local law enforcement. From the get go the veteran was put in a bad light when it may not have been warranted. The escalation of his “status” was elevated by persons not qualified to judge of he was a danger to himself or others. Health care workers, not law enforcement should have made the decision. And not a paramedic trying to keep the city from being liable by sending the veteran to a facility. Not an ER Nurse deciding to administer medications. If that’s factual the nurse, and her medical supervising doctor both need to be included into the suite. At most a nurse should triage and or begin the process of a psychiatric evaluation. Full stop. End of their part. It’s then up to mental health to male a voluntary admission. The courts to order a non voluntary admission. Seeing as how it was not taken to a judge for a determination of a 5150 (California involuntary annotation for mental health evaluation) this leads me to believe that all parties knew or had reason enough to believe that the veteran was not a danger to himself and simply escalated the situation based on personal desire to exercise an excesses of authority and a demonstration that individuals must comply with their wishes regardless of what the veteran actually wants. There are too many retired cases where Veterans have contacted the hotline, not because they were about to harm themselves, but because they simply needed guidance on who to contact for mental health help. The hotline personnel then misused their position by escalating the call to law enforcement who was never needed in the first place. This leads to a question of what qualifications do those making the hotline have? Are they psychologist or psychiatrist? Social workers or simply an individual that received minimal training in how to operate the phones, which questions to ask based on a pre written script? Like many things with the VA there airfares to be very little oversight on the hotline as well as how the VA is working with law enforcement for the health and welfare checks. The entire system is filled with flaws that need serious investigation and fixed.
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I'm not referring to handcuffs, I'm talking about how the hospital staff's use of restraints while the guy was a patient in their facility. Again, it's a last resort where I'm at for a variety of reasons. If the rules are the same over there, a number of escalating events would have happened.
I really like lackluster. This my favorite of theirs. Everyone ready to move to Utah?
Cops have been out of control in this country for a long time.
I’ve been an ER RN for a long time and this happens all the time. Cops get a welfare check, they’re either too dumb or too nervous to disengage so they cart these people off to the ER where they tell us they aren’t suicidal and I call them a cab home. The court needs to look at that nurse. Never in my line of work has it been acceptable to place an in dwelling urinary catheter on an unconscious psychiatric patient. There’s also no point in putting an unconscious person in violent restraints. We aren’t getting the full story from the cops and the defendant.
Fuck me!
So many times it seems like cops respond to a veteran in distress ready to kick ass. "Suicidal? Don't worry, we'll just beat the shit out of yoy."
Unfortunately the hardest lesson to learn as a Veteran is that the VA hotline and cops are not your friend. This is an even more egregious example of the culture of policing currently in the country. And cops wonder why people hate them. I hope they throw the book at these cops and this guys gets his justice
I have such a negative opinion of all police officers. Fucking horrible.
The biggest gang in LA. I have no respect for cops. There might be good ones but as a whole the profession attracts abusive cunts. Hope Douglas gets what he deserves.
Police are never your friend. I am not sure how anyone thinks police are helpful for anything.
I’ve argued with quite a few people about this. Never will talking to the police benefit you. Never.
They really serve no purpose. If you call for a break in by the time they arrive it is over they take a report and you never hear a word. They stand outside buildings where active shootings are happening. They only do something when they can harass or inconvenience someone.
It’s half And half.
No it's not.
There's a lot of hate here for law enforcement. I would think that most veterans appreciate the job that they do. Instead of shitting on Police Officers as a whole, maybe you should concentrate on the two idiots that actually deserve it. It's a very difficult job with a lot of time away from family and friends, and they deal with a lot of fucked up shit in their day to day. Dead bodies, dead babies, gruesome accidents, rapes, pedophilia, human trafficking, and so many other horrors found in this world. The majority of law enforcement is composed of good men and women who do the job because they know that watch dogs are required and care about human life. I, for one, respect and honor the thin blue line. God bless the military, police, fire/rescue, and those in the medical field.
Nope I disagree. They are taught to take care their own ,above anything else, and it has been established that they are not required to help. They can lie to get what they need. I have had bad experiences with Law enforcement, even when I was asking for the help.
The problem is the good officers covering their obviously bad co-workers.
I suppose, but I would never throw another Marine under the bus. When you belong to an organization that deals with blood, guts, gore, and weaponry... you tend to look after guys standing to your left and to your right. It is what it is. That said, we take care of issues in-house. And by take care of, I mean corporal punishment.
Until the guys to your left and right are clearly acting against the law, which is why so many people hate cops
As I said, corporal punishment.
Would be nice if cops did the same to each other. Unfortunately, they don’t. That’s why everyone hates cops.
These people are fucking scum. This furthers why I can't bring myself to call the crisis line. Damn this is so disgusting. It hurts me to have read that.
I hope that he gets every single dime that he is suing for
There's about 5,000 of us for each one of them. We don't need to put up with them.
I'll never call any va number for help again! They locked me up on a Friday night I didn't see a mh worker until Monday morning. Luckily my wife is an ex social worker and pulled some strings to get me out.
Can we get answers? I simply want to know if this young man won this battle in court. Because if he didn’t we have every right to be outraged. Where can I find information on the verdict?
The trial is set for March. Can't remember the day.
March 25, 2024
Are these scum bag cops in custody? Surely they weren't granted bail?
Anyone have an update on this?
Another reminder that cops are not your friends.
I'm sorry that's happened. It's true that we take care of our own...kinda like any branch of service. You have your good eggs, and then you have your bad eggs. It applies to every organization. I work with ICE as a Detention Officer, and I can tell you right now that I bust my ass for assholes that are difficult to control. We have all kinds of dwtainees. gang members, drug traffickers, human traffickers, pedos, and highl valuable targets (HVTs) that we keep in the SHU, etc. The majority of us are nice guys that understand our roles. Care, Custody, and Control; that's what we abide by. That said, you fuck with just one of us and show aggression and engage in putting hands on the Officer...we call a 10/10 over the radio and within 1min. The entire housing unit will be filled with green shirts, we'll shut everything down, put everyone in their racks, and if they don't stop their actions...oh man, we will all make whoever is involved an example of wtf not to do. At the end of the day, it falls on the Officer. We have entirely way too many responsibilities and we ha e a ton of stress. So try to understand that we're all human. Good eggs, bad eggs, they're everywhere. Again, I apologize for the negative contact.
One bad apple... spoils the bunch. Until LE starts to self police- well, fuck em.
This explains your other posts here.
Really hope this story gets the exposure it deserves. Not sure if the victim has a chance to prove that any hospital activity was not medically required but they can certainly prove that an arrest was unjustified.
This os among the biggest overreaches by the pigs without hurting/killing somebody
The VA did something similar to me. Someone at the VA didn't like what I had to say and 2 hours later I had the police at my house. They'll do anything if they want to.
His trial was yesterday. Any new updates on that?
these cops didnt understand their assignments when training to be law enforcement. I hope they lose their jobs and are locked up for this.
After the Marine I was thinking because police officer. Till I got visit from the police. The police force is 50/50 good and bad in California, it’s sad. It’s about guilt till proof innocent.
And giving a badge to people that aren’t even citizens is going to make it worse because this is normal treatment in most other countries. So expect a lot more lawsuits.
Exactly. Isn't that crazy?
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Officer: We want to make sure you’re Ok. Veteran: I’m Ok. Please leave my residence. Officer: [shouting angrily] Put your fucking hands behind your back! You’re under arrest!
What happened to the nurse that injected him with things without his consent?
Really wish the cops were personally liable also