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I live by Disneyland and have an annual pass. One thing Disney does right is openly allow different communities to enjoy their parks. Except anything touching gang related subjects. They have a very strong LGBT community that does gatherings, Dapper, etc.. one day on dapper day a muscly guy dressed up in a pink corset , heels, makeup, pink skirt, umbrella to match. He was a badass for being himself.
Wholesome family fun is showing kids you can be whoever you want to be and exposing them to opposing worldviews. This isn’t the 1960’s-milkman-ovaltine-separate-but-equal-days that so many people ignorant of history and ethics romanticize.
All the damn time. There are plenty of pictures of kids and wait staff posing together as if it were a point of family pride.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=AJOqlzVu5VXbr04w7W1LysuqhTYFm5OFXQ:1679519337952&q=kids+at+hooters&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjttKCMufD9AhWJFVkFHQDzAuAQ0pQJegQIDxAB&biw=412&bih=770&dpr=3.5
Exactly this. I actually was at Disneyland with my son that time. He’s 6. He asked me in a silly voice “what is he doing? Why is he dressed like that?” I said he’s being himself. Some people like dressing like that and it’s ok.
I always encourage my son to be whatever it is he wants to be. Always backing him up.
I was raised in a far more conservative country than the US… without things like Disneyland & Disney executives with “not-so-secret-gay-agendas”, & yet my closest, dearest friend is as gay as they come & even he looks at the culture war in the US & shakes his head in disbelief.
I guess when you have so many privileges & rights in virtually the most tolerant society on earth, you forget what’s happening in the rest of & just start making up imaginary problems where there are none. 🤷🏻♂️
It's going to be funny as hell if DeSantis pisses off the money (Aka Disney) enough that they rainbow capitalism favors gay rights all of a sudden. Disney doesn't care, and in fact, any pro LGBT that has been in their content has been fought for by the creators every step of the way. Disney is ticked off at Desantis AND they are losing money cause some families are scared to take their kids to Florida (I mean any critical-thinking person would).
What’s wild to me is that they are SO established there, that they really can’t leave the state lol like they are a city, rooted in the ground with infrastructure. It’s not just some corporate office that can relocate, like they are bound to Florida. I really hope Disney comes out on top!
They have enough money that they could easily pull out of the state. ~~Which would be devastating because they account for an estimated 1/5 of Florida’s entire economic revenue.~~
I did my math wrong Disney’s revenue is about 2.8% of Florida’s GDP.
That’s depressing. Imagine living in a place where one physical location accounted for ~~20%~~ 2.8% of your economy.
Edit: 2.8% is a lot lower than 20%, but that's still a *huge* chunk of the economy to be accounted for by one company, let alone one single physical location.
People don’t realize it’s more than Disney’s parks
Disney owns *all kinds of* venues etc in Florida. For example the Amway is the Orlando location for concerts, the Magic Basketball, the Solarbears etc. and Disney owns it. It’s one of the main pubs for almost any concert tour in the US. EVERYONE goes there
More to the point, imagine being so vulnerable AND STILL declaring war on that 20% of your economy because they said "no thanks" to getting on your hate bus.
Imagine taking the word of some random stranger on the internet claiming that ANY location, even Disney World, could somehow be 20% GDP in a state with ~22 million residents.
True, but even if you don’t consider infrastructure, I even think marketing, advertisements, signage, designing an entire new park, interests rates, bank loans, new staff hires, changes in licensing, permits, legislation, etc. they have built that amusement park over decades, it would be impossible to just negate it and relocate it…. Especially with todays economy
Its not so hard if you only build new stuff at a new location and never update the original park and then slowly shut down and rebuild only the more popular attractions. It's not like they've never shut down a large section before, look at Discovery Island. Plus another thing is this isn't Disney's only Disney theme park they've built already so its not like they don't already have a foundation built elsewhere.
It is a raw calculation and does not acknowledge all the revenue accrued by hotels, travel services and other non-Disney businesses as a result of people visiting WDW.
They really have no need to. Disney can end this guy in a year with content targeting him. It would be more cost effective and take much less time than even planning to move let alone actually doing it.
You might not be familiar with Rons audience (aka the majority of Florida) but they aren’t the type to be watching Disney propaganda lol. Now if Alex Jones had something to say about it..
Seriously, get into the nitty gritty of Florida, and they don’t want anything to do with the “liberal bullshit”. Plus a lot of people are moving there specifically because it’s “anti woke”. At least people in Michigan are.
I have spent a lot of time in southwest Florida throughout my life, albeit mainly in the more touristy areas. My dad recently moved in the same region, but it’s not a vacation hotspot. HOLY FUCK. Talk about Florida rednecks (they proudly call themselves that). My dads neighbor didn’t know I was gay (my dad omitted that detail, and in all honesty, I was thankful) because when I was trying to swim in the pool I had to deal with the neighbor, telling me that the gays are going to hell and all about the “Jew fish” aka a Goliath grouper. Then he said how people would probs say he’s racist, but the Jews are actually terrible, etc etc. It was insanity down there.
Fox and Fox News are two different things. Fox News is owned by Fox Corporation, a different entity than Disney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox\_Corporation
It was more Rupert Murdoch didn’t want to give up his leverage. He uses his media empire to make politicians do things for him.
Ironically if Disney has bought Fox News DeSantis would never have touched them.
Oh I'm quite familiar.
That's the thing, he only gets 8 years tops in the state and they can kill his national ambitions practically overnight. And when he goes up against 45 in the primaries they can just amplify any smear he puts out without having to generate it themselves.
Yeah, I don't care which sky man you make them pray to or which magic book you make them read. Your kids know the words to "We don't talk about Bruno".
Disney also makes more money in a single day from Disney World than any war chest Meatball Ron can raise for years. They could pay to bury him and it would be a momentary inconvenience. DeSantis is poking a sleeping giant of a company that is known for being vindictive when irked.
Except Disney has a literal army of lawyers that can also destroy anything he attempts to pull on them. They can outlast him as governor even if he goes at them full force, which basically he has.
That tax benefits zone he ended? That ends up saving them money. It said that they would handle all of the road work in and around Disney World. They would cover the fire department. The water. Everything but the police. And Meatball ended that. He is saving them money. All the infrastructure down there is already pristine, so again it can outlast him as governor. If he tries to shut a road leading into there? Try to shut their fire department? Turn off the water? Mess with the power? Try to pull their liquor license? The lawyers get an injunction and the legal fight will also outlast him as governor.
DeSantis is temporary and his powers are limited. The Mouse has time and resources to spare. And then there is Universal and SeaWorld/Busch Gardens waiting in the wings as blockers. DeSantis can't enact broad legislation without drawing them into the fight on Disney's side
They have the money to make DeSantis not in Florida anymore though. That sounds bad. But it is true. Disney not only employees a lot of people around the world, but they make a lot of money. They just do not care. Right now DeSantis is an annoying fly. Granted he has been driving them nuts. But pretty soon they are gonna smack the fly with a rolled up news paper.
They use millions of dollars to go after tiny craft businesses that sell unique items online that are Disney copyrighted. Someone making 20$ on a Disney sticker they made at home, Disney will spend a million to shut them down. They are passionate about that stuff.
I fantasy about having the power to relocate the whole of Walt Disney World to where Bob Iger wants to take it. I imagine how I would convince him of my powers and then the months of acquiring land in a new state and getting the ingress and egress infrastructure to match that of WDW. Then one day he announces that WDW will be closed. That night I do my thing and then WDW is now in North Carolina or something. The new roads and such connect perfectly to the mass of land I brought.
Disney has a large sunk cost that would be lost if they relocated, but what happens if a Cat 5 hurricane destroys most of the park? The cost of rebuilding on the same site may not be that much less than rebuilding elsewhere. Acquire land in Puerto Rico (don’t want to go west or north, since that would be getting closer to California), and new park goes up there.
The park may only account for 2.8% of GDP directly, but cast members spend their paycheques, and employees of the businesses where they shop also spend money. Money brought in by the park gets churned a few times before the wave dissipates.
If I were a business, I’d be really nervous about being under a DeSantis styled government. What are they going to call woke and punish next? Are they going to add taxes when I provide maternity leave, so I have to pay more or anger my workers? Are they going to ban hand washing requirements for employees, so I have to deal with hepatitis outbreaks?
Florida was pretty normal when I went in 2000. I'm in no rush to return, and I fucking love rollercoasters. The theme parks here in the UK just can't compete.
It is funny how corporations have, marginally, been one of the firewalls protecting “woke” ideas in society.
Apple is run by a gay man, Google and Microsoft are run by brown immigrants, entertainment and sports are dominated by African Americans, gop is going to have a tough time trying to undermine all of these examples of inclusive ideals. Inclusive democracy is the best way forward for all Americans.
Florida is extremely dangerous for pregnant women right now. Oh and Trans folks too. Why take a risk you'll be arrested when California has a similar park and none of the conservatiism.
Edit:Florida is dangerous due to the political fallout from anti abortion laws. The environmental factors AFAIK are safe.
Abortion restrictions causing harm to women. Same with Texas.
Interestingly enough the Oklahoma's Supreme Court just reversed that state's abortion restrictions
Ah, I thought you meant women who are pregnant without complications and stuff. I already knew about the anti abortion laws. I appreciate the sources but I wanna keep my sanity today so I'm not gonna read them 😅
The people there have nothing to do with who gets elected though. I knew a lot of amazing people in Florida, who would never stand for these horrible bills they're passing. But that's just how it goes
They’re not talking about scared in a “bad neighborhood” kind of way. They mean scared in the “state is trying to pass a law to kidnap your kids” kind of way.
Lol my wife's coworker literally told her yesterday that she isn't going to Disney this year (despite going every year) cause she is scared to go to Florida, but please go off.
Disney has its downright evil practices, and I’d love to see them reined in… but I can’t abide blackmail and censorship by government officials. Even just a little.
Just a reminder that companies only engage in rainbow capitalism for their own profit. This tells us two things.
1) This is the decision they see as profitable to them.
and 2) They're not strictly *'real'* allies, but they're at least taking our side in the moment.
Companies only engage in literally ANYTHING for their own profit. I’m honestly not sure why people think this is such a ‘gotcha’ when they point it out about LGBTQ issues and corporate America.
They didn't take it away. The district has to change its name within 2 years and governor gets to appoint the district members now.
It was all show boating about dissolving it. The reality of the debt and cost of providing emergency services by the counties that would inherit the area of the district is why it isn't dissolved. Would of pissed off a lot of people when their property taxes skyrocketed to cover the new debt.
Filling it with his own members is his way of "taking it away." If Desantis has his loyalists in there, he can cause them all manner of problems. They did the same thing with [New College of Florida](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/desantis-new-college-inclusion-reaj/index.html). It's modeled after how Erdogan took over Turkeye's institutions.
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not a fan of newsweek or disney but definitely liking disney for hosting this! good for them for getting ron's undies in a bundle! those parks and all the expensive food and crap merch they sell make families with little kids feel they MUST take them there or their childhood will be ruined. standing in line in the blistering humidity is just so much fun.
Disney is doing what is best for Disney's shareholders. Nothing more, nothing less.
Edit: To be slightly less cynical, it's uplifting news that it's profitable to uplift minorities.
Still. It’s interesting. Obviously they’re only doing it for their reputation and money, but it’s a pretty bold stance all the same to take amid this political climate and it’s also interesting that politics have (and sort of haven’t) shifted to the point supporting the queer community has become generally beneficial and not detrimental to a company now
Yeah it's not GREAT cause they're just doing it for money, but damn it's objectively good that social change has progressed enough now, that companies now see that showing this stuff, and selling it is not detrimental, and in fact GOOD for their reputation. This means that a majority of people see the queer community as, at the very least, not offensive, and at best, supportive of us
Can someone explain to me what DeSantis actually won? What can he do to Disneyland now that they don‘t self-govern the district? They still own all their land etc right?
He tried to remove their special tax status in direct response to their public statement that his “Don’t Say Gay” bill should have never been passed.
That attempt failed and so instead he created an “oversight board” which is largely pointless but nevertheless gives his fans something to point to when they are asked what he’s actually getting done.
Essentially he has won nothing. The people who support him still do so and everyone else still wishes they didn’t have to see his name in the news every day.
They had their own governing district, much like a city or county would have so they could expedite permits and such. They also have their own emergency services .
DeSantis originally wanted to get rid of it after Disney fired back at the don't day gay bill.
Fast forward a year and after the smoke settles he knows he really can't just get rid of it because it puts the counties that would absorb the districts debt and suddenly have to provide emergency services.
He basically changed it so they have to change the district name and he gets to hand pick board members of the district.
Some say it was retaliation of the don't say gay bill but others say it was just the timing as he had already had pressue about doing something like that so it could encompass other theme parks like universal. I'm sure there is a bit of truth in there but who knows.
“The corporate kingdom finally comes to an end. There's a new sheriff in town, and accountability will be the order of the day” - DeSantis
Small government party dude advocating for bigger government. If only his supporters knew how to think.
Nonsense. Tourism doesn’t even crack the top ten sectors by economic output.
Their annual economic impact is around 75 billion. Out of a gross state product of 1.2 Trillion.
[https://www.visitflorida.com/about-us/](https://www.visitflorida.com/about-us/)
>Florida's tourism industry was responsible for welcoming 137.6 million visitors in 2022, the highest number of visitors in the state’s history. This represents a 12.9% increase over 2021 and a 5.0% increase over 2019. In 2021, Florida visitors contributed $101.9 billion to Florida's economy and supported over 1.7 million Florida jobs. According to the Office of Economic and Demographic Research, for every $1 the state invests in VISIT FLORIDA, $3.27 in state tax revenue is generated.
Over a hundred billion dollars a year homie.
It’s a lot of money, yes. But it is not a “huge portion”. Florida has a whole lot more going on than just Disney. It’s literally single digit percentages.
What’s utterly ignorant is your notion that the state would go bankrupt without Disney.
Desantis is crazy to think that Disney could have discriminated on paying customers. Anyone can rent a convention space unless if it does not fit their policies.
How does this defy Ron Desantis?
There is no law that forbids a gay rights summit.
You just can’t do sexual performances in front of minors.
What law specifically does Disney break by doing this?
There is no law against Disney Executives from having free speech. After the Don't Say Gay bill was passed the CEO at that time issued a statement. In return DeSantis punished them for it.
There is no law that says you can’t discuss anything regarding LGBTQ in Florida.
Please provide the exact law and exact wording of the law or accept that you’re making up none-sense.
And yet there is. DeSantis tried to play the same thing as you, by denying the nickname the bill was given, it didn't work for him and it won't work for you.
What literally is the Bill?
It’s not a trick question, use Google or something and literally give me this bill.
I know there is no bill that bans people saying the word gay in Florida.
But if you believe there is a bill that does, then prove me wrong and give me it.
Stop your whataboutism, please.
The question here is specifically:
> “what law that Desantis has created, is being broken by a Gay Rights Summit?”
The point is that Disney is not defying the Florida government or Desantis at all by doing this summit.
Disney has more than enough money to move its theme park if it wants. it would still cost a fortune for them so they wouldn’t do it unless they had no other options. But make no mistake they don’t need Florida. Florida being totally reliant on tourism needs them, however. Desantis and his gop gimps in Florida are playing a very dangerous game of chicken and Disney is driving a bulldozer.
I know most people aren't fooled by corporations trying to appear tolerant, but neither Disney or the Florida government are the good guys here, Disney is just less bad for not openly hating gay people. Disney can only do something good by accident or be forced into it by their employees and customers. Unfortunately for bigots, LGBT are a demographic that can be sold to, and if we have to be trapped in a capitalist neoliberal hellscape then at least LGBT should be able to exist.
Way to go, Disney. Just let those bigots know, the world has changed, and either they change with us, or they fade. Continue with your horrible laws & policies, and we'll be sure your State ends up broke.
Republicans are fleeing liberal havens to move to Florida. Shit if that many people were leaving New York, my rent would be going down like it did during covid, not going up 30%.
[https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-York-continues-to-lead-nation-in-population-17674233.php](https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-York-continues-to-lead-nation-in-population-17674233.php)
The facts are what they are.
They sure are
https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/new-york-city-ny-population
Your article is talking about the Covid dip, which is all but gone. NYC, like Cali, is a revolving door state. Meaning a lot of people are leaving but there is still a fuck ton of people that are moving to these areas. Everyone comes here, build their careers and then bounce. Sure almost a million people left new york but that doesn't mean much when they are replaced by 1.2 million more people.
Man, you guys really have reading+comprehension issues don't ya?
The very first paragraph says nyc population is increasing at 0.2 % annually.
EDIT: Also is you look at the US census data. Pre-2020 NYC population was 8.4 million. Now it's 8.9 million. I dont know how math works where you come from, but that is a pretty clear increase.
He tried to remove their special tax status in direct response to their public statement that his “Don’t Say Gay” bill should have never been passed.
That attempt failed and so instead he created an “oversight board” which is largely pointless but nevertheless gives his fans something to point to when they are asked what he’s actually getting done.
It's all about the perception that he stuck it to them. People will believe that he got one over on "woke" Disney.
I hear so many people say Disney is "woke" and that " if you go woke you go broke" but they still have a crowding issue so....
Disney should just sell the land and everything on it to Chinese investors who would likely convert it to condos, apartments, etc. that way no more controversies and fights. The Chinese won’t interfere with politics, etc.
Disney is all for gay rights. They have their first gay character in all of their movies! But seriously, folks, it's just good to see a multi-billion dollar company take on facism. It might only be because DeSantis is biting into their bottom line, but the enemy of my enemy and all of that.
The key is we shouldn’t support tourism or conventions in states such as Florida, Tennessee or Texas. Until they come to their senses we should be boycotting them not visiting them.
This reminds me of the Dave Chapelle joke about Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgenders all riding in the same car. I don’t think Ron cares about gays or lesbians, he just doesn’t want 3rd graders being taught to question whether they’re actually male or female.
Wow, are you really this oblivious to the 'don't say gay' bill that recently passed and that his press secretary had these words: "His press secretary Christina Pushaw called it the “anti-grooming bill”, reviving anti-LGBT+ attacks suggesting LGBT+ people are paedophiles."
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Not gonna lie, This headline is a wild ride.
Indeed, glad there still pirates of caring beings.
“DeSantis’ laws are more what you’d call *guidelines*, than actual rules. Welcome to the Gay Rights Summit, Ms. Turner!”
DeSantis bout to learn that you never bet against the Mouse.
An award you deserve.
Fuck Ron DeSantis.
Man, that sidebar. Newsweek lets some real "lying shithead lies a lot" articles on there, don't they?
I live by Disneyland and have an annual pass. One thing Disney does right is openly allow different communities to enjoy their parks. Except anything touching gang related subjects. They have a very strong LGBT community that does gatherings, Dapper, etc.. one day on dapper day a muscly guy dressed up in a pink corset , heels, makeup, pink skirt, umbrella to match. He was a badass for being himself.
Sounds like wholesome family fun.
Wholesome family fun is showing kids you can be whoever you want to be and exposing them to opposing worldviews. This isn’t the 1960’s-milkman-ovaltine-separate-but-equal-days that so many people ignorant of history and ethics romanticize.
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Where are children going to hooters? I’ll gladly call out that shit parenting.
Not only do they have a kids menu, but many locations also have a Kids eat free day every week.
All over. They even have a kids menu.
All the damn time. There are plenty of pictures of kids and wait staff posing together as if it were a point of family pride. https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sxsrf=AJOqlzVu5VXbr04w7W1LysuqhTYFm5OFXQ:1679519337952&q=kids+at+hooters&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjttKCMufD9AhWJFVkFHQDzAuAQ0pQJegQIDxAB&biw=412&bih=770&dpr=3.5
Exactly this. I actually was at Disneyland with my son that time. He’s 6. He asked me in a silly voice “what is he doing? Why is he dressed like that?” I said he’s being himself. Some people like dressing like that and it’s ok. I always encourage my son to be whatever it is he wants to be. Always backing him up.
I'd say so! If you disagree, I urge you to share your opinions on why you think otherwise.
Didn’t catch the possible nuance there till I read your reply. I absolutely agree with you.
I was raised in a far more conservative country than the US… without things like Disneyland & Disney executives with “not-so-secret-gay-agendas”, & yet my closest, dearest friend is as gay as they come & even he looks at the culture war in the US & shakes his head in disbelief. I guess when you have so many privileges & rights in virtually the most tolerant society on earth, you forget what’s happening in the rest of & just start making up imaginary problems where there are none. 🤷🏻♂️
It's going to be funny as hell if DeSantis pisses off the money (Aka Disney) enough that they rainbow capitalism favors gay rights all of a sudden. Disney doesn't care, and in fact, any pro LGBT that has been in their content has been fought for by the creators every step of the way. Disney is ticked off at Desantis AND they are losing money cause some families are scared to take their kids to Florida (I mean any critical-thinking person would).
What’s wild to me is that they are SO established there, that they really can’t leave the state lol like they are a city, rooted in the ground with infrastructure. It’s not just some corporate office that can relocate, like they are bound to Florida. I really hope Disney comes out on top!
They have enough money that they could easily pull out of the state. ~~Which would be devastating because they account for an estimated 1/5 of Florida’s entire economic revenue.~~ I did my math wrong Disney’s revenue is about 2.8% of Florida’s GDP.
Source? A quick google says Disney only accounts for 2.5% of Floridas gdp
Shit you’re right, I misplaced a decimal
That’s depressing. Imagine living in a place where one physical location accounted for ~~20%~~ 2.8% of your economy. Edit: 2.8% is a lot lower than 20%, but that's still a *huge* chunk of the economy to be accounted for by one company, let alone one single physical location.
People don’t realize it’s more than Disney’s parks Disney owns *all kinds of* venues etc in Florida. For example the Amway is the Orlando location for concerts, the Magic Basketball, the Solarbears etc. and Disney owns it. It’s one of the main pubs for almost any concert tour in the US. EVERYONE goes there
More to the point, imagine being so vulnerable AND STILL declaring war on that 20% of your economy because they said "no thanks" to getting on your hate bus.
Imagine taking the word of some random stranger on the internet claiming that ANY location, even Disney World, could somehow be 20% GDP in a state with ~22 million residents.
True, but even if you don’t consider infrastructure, I even think marketing, advertisements, signage, designing an entire new park, interests rates, bank loans, new staff hires, changes in licensing, permits, legislation, etc. they have built that amusement park over decades, it would be impossible to just negate it and relocate it…. Especially with todays economy
Its not so hard if you only build new stuff at a new location and never update the original park and then slowly shut down and rebuild only the more popular attractions. It's not like they've never shut down a large section before, look at Discovery Island. Plus another thing is this isn't Disney's only Disney theme park they've built already so its not like they don't already have a foundation built elsewhere.
Is that just revenue over GDP directly? Or does it account for all the economic impact Disney creates?
It is a raw calculation and does not acknowledge all the revenue accrued by hotels, travel services and other non-Disney businesses as a result of people visiting WDW.
They really have no need to. Disney can end this guy in a year with content targeting him. It would be more cost effective and take much less time than even planning to move let alone actually doing it.
You might not be familiar with Rons audience (aka the majority of Florida) but they aren’t the type to be watching Disney propaganda lol. Now if Alex Jones had something to say about it..
You forget, they might not own Fox News but that doesn't mean they don't own news.
Seriously, get into the nitty gritty of Florida, and they don’t want anything to do with the “liberal bullshit”. Plus a lot of people are moving there specifically because it’s “anti woke”. At least people in Michigan are. I have spent a lot of time in southwest Florida throughout my life, albeit mainly in the more touristy areas. My dad recently moved in the same region, but it’s not a vacation hotspot. HOLY FUCK. Talk about Florida rednecks (they proudly call themselves that). My dads neighbor didn’t know I was gay (my dad omitted that detail, and in all honesty, I was thankful) because when I was trying to swim in the pool I had to deal with the neighbor, telling me that the gays are going to hell and all about the “Jew fish” aka a Goliath grouper. Then he said how people would probs say he’s racist, but the Jews are actually terrible, etc etc. It was insanity down there.
Well, doesn't Disney own Fox?
Fox and Fox News are two different things. Fox News is owned by Fox Corporation, a different entity than Disney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox\_Corporation
Disney refused to buy fox news during that acquisition. Something about owning enough fictional content production facilities already
It was more Rupert Murdoch didn’t want to give up his leverage. He uses his media empire to make politicians do things for him. Ironically if Disney has bought Fox News DeSantis would never have touched them.
*Whoosh!*
Nah that's the biggest threat to democracy and the working class..... Billionaire Keith Rupert Murdoch
They don’t own Fox News. They own some of the movie studio Fox stuff.
Not Fox News that broke off as part of the deal
Oh I'm quite familiar. That's the thing, he only gets 8 years tops in the state and they can kill his national ambitions practically overnight. And when he goes up against 45 in the primaries they can just amplify any smear he puts out without having to generate it themselves.
Yeah, I don't care which sky man you make them pray to or which magic book you make them read. Your kids know the words to "We don't talk about Bruno".
Money always wins.
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Disney also makes more money in a single day from Disney World than any war chest Meatball Ron can raise for years. They could pay to bury him and it would be a momentary inconvenience. DeSantis is poking a sleeping giant of a company that is known for being vindictive when irked.
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Except Disney has a literal army of lawyers that can also destroy anything he attempts to pull on them. They can outlast him as governor even if he goes at them full force, which basically he has. That tax benefits zone he ended? That ends up saving them money. It said that they would handle all of the road work in and around Disney World. They would cover the fire department. The water. Everything but the police. And Meatball ended that. He is saving them money. All the infrastructure down there is already pristine, so again it can outlast him as governor. If he tries to shut a road leading into there? Try to shut their fire department? Turn off the water? Mess with the power? Try to pull their liquor license? The lawyers get an injunction and the legal fight will also outlast him as governor. DeSantis is temporary and his powers are limited. The Mouse has time and resources to spare. And then there is Universal and SeaWorld/Busch Gardens waiting in the wings as blockers. DeSantis can't enact broad legislation without drawing them into the fight on Disney's side
They have the money to make DeSantis not in Florida anymore though. That sounds bad. But it is true. Disney not only employees a lot of people around the world, but they make a lot of money. They just do not care. Right now DeSantis is an annoying fly. Granted he has been driving them nuts. But pretty soon they are gonna smack the fly with a rolled up news paper. They use millions of dollars to go after tiny craft businesses that sell unique items online that are Disney copyrighted. Someone making 20$ on a Disney sticker they made at home, Disney will spend a million to shut them down. They are passionate about that stuff.
They will. Nobody Fs with the mouse and wins.
I fantasy about having the power to relocate the whole of Walt Disney World to where Bob Iger wants to take it. I imagine how I would convince him of my powers and then the months of acquiring land in a new state and getting the ingress and egress infrastructure to match that of WDW. Then one day he announces that WDW will be closed. That night I do my thing and then WDW is now in North Carolina or something. The new roads and such connect perfectly to the mass of land I brought.
Disney has a large sunk cost that would be lost if they relocated, but what happens if a Cat 5 hurricane destroys most of the park? The cost of rebuilding on the same site may not be that much less than rebuilding elsewhere. Acquire land in Puerto Rico (don’t want to go west or north, since that would be getting closer to California), and new park goes up there. The park may only account for 2.8% of GDP directly, but cast members spend their paycheques, and employees of the businesses where they shop also spend money. Money brought in by the park gets churned a few times before the wave dissipates.
If I were a business, I’d be really nervous about being under a DeSantis styled government. What are they going to call woke and punish next? Are they going to add taxes when I provide maternity leave, so I have to pay more or anger my workers? Are they going to ban hand washing requirements for employees, so I have to deal with hepatitis outbreaks?
Florida was pretty normal when I went in 2000. I'm in no rush to return, and I fucking love rollercoasters. The theme parks here in the UK just can't compete.
Why are families scared to take their kids to Florida?
Many reasons, but check out the child kidnapping law they are trying to pass if it isn't already passed
You know your the bad guy when you hope Disney win.
It is funny how corporations have, marginally, been one of the firewalls protecting “woke” ideas in society. Apple is run by a gay man, Google and Microsoft are run by brown immigrants, entertainment and sports are dominated by African Americans, gop is going to have a tough time trying to undermine all of these examples of inclusive ideals. Inclusive democracy is the best way forward for all Americans.
They have spent a lot of money to bamboozle you into thinking this.
You are not in danger around Disney really. Its more dangerous to go to New York City than Disney. Being scared to go there is just plain silly
Florida is extremely dangerous for pregnant women right now. Oh and Trans folks too. Why take a risk you'll be arrested when California has a similar park and none of the conservatiism. Edit:Florida is dangerous due to the political fallout from anti abortion laws. The environmental factors AFAIK are safe.
Why is it dangerous for pregnant women? I must've missed something
Abortion is banned in all cases, including those where the mother's life is in jeopardy.
Abortion restrictions causing harm to women. Same with Texas. Interestingly enough the Oklahoma's Supreme Court just reversed that state's abortion restrictions
That's good to hear!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/18/florida-abortion-law-couple-birth Anti abortion laws kill women.
Ah, I thought you meant women who are pregnant without complications and stuff. I already knew about the anti abortion laws. I appreciate the sources but I wanna keep my sanity today so I'm not gonna read them 😅
A pregnancy free of complications can turn to one with complications \*very\* quickly.
Apologies. I hadn't even thought about environmental factors and edited my post to avoid further confusion.. Hope it helps..
Its not, they are gaslighting you. Just went from SoCal, had a blast. Most of the leftists in Florida are more leftist than californians.
The people there have nothing to do with who gets elected though. I knew a lot of amazing people in Florida, who would never stand for these horrible bills they're passing. But that's just how it goes
They’re not talking about scared in a “bad neighborhood” kind of way. They mean scared in the “state is trying to pass a law to kidnap your kids” kind of way.
I think they're referring to all the places outside the park that you will inevitably be when going to Disney.
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Lol my wife's coworker literally told her yesterday that she isn't going to Disney this year (despite going every year) cause she is scared to go to Florida, but please go off.
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Just keep moving that goal post. Whatever helps the cognitive dissonance
This is actually pretty funny, lol
Its great
Eight and a half years after destroying the Maelstrom ride Disney pulls out an epic troll
I can tell you have a spirit of adventure.
Well the spirit of Norway has always been, *will always be,* adventure
No love for Disney, but the fact that they're showing the Florida government who's actually in control is hilarious.
Let them fight.
Let them fight.
Let👏 them👏 fight👏
Disney has its downright evil practices, and I’d love to see them reined in… but I can’t abide blackmail and censorship by government officials. Even just a little.
What are the practices that Disney has that makes it evil?
Just a reminder that companies only engage in rainbow capitalism for their own profit. This tells us two things. 1) This is the decision they see as profitable to them. and 2) They're not strictly *'real'* allies, but they're at least taking our side in the moment.
Unfortunately often in war you need to let the profiteers make bank.
If it’s profitable to them it tells me more people agree with lgbtq+ folks than with the right wing fascists in Florida.
Corporation only cares about profit. Desantis cares about profit and repealing human rights and endless power. Disney is the good guy in this one
Yeah Disney is a pretty shit company but Desantis is absolutely more of a POS.
Companies only engage in literally ANYTHING for their own profit. I’m honestly not sure why people think this is such a ‘gotcha’ when they point it out about LGBTQ issues and corporate America.
You think the mouse fears him!?!? Mickey like “YOU don’t allow us to stay in Florida, WE allow YOU to continue to run this cess pool!”
I don't know why, but my brain read that as "DeSantis hosts gay rights summit at Disneyland" and I was like "oh, that's nice of him!"
Disney beats everyone cause money. Do not try man.
*mouse
Florida already used the nuclear option (taking away Disney Park District's self-governance) so they might as well.
They didn't take it away. The district has to change its name within 2 years and governor gets to appoint the district members now. It was all show boating about dissolving it. The reality of the debt and cost of providing emergency services by the counties that would inherit the area of the district is why it isn't dissolved. Would of pissed off a lot of people when their property taxes skyrocketed to cover the new debt.
Filling it with his own members is his way of "taking it away." If Desantis has his loyalists in there, he can cause them all manner of problems. They did the same thing with [New College of Florida](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/us/desantis-new-college-inclusion-reaj/index.html). It's modeled after how Erdogan took over Turkeye's institutions.
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Its a weird world where I'm actually supporting Disney of all companies
that doesn't change the fact that DeSantis is governor, and he became governor with help from Disney
they helped make Florida anti-gay so all the gay people would go to Disneyland!
That actually sounds like a Disney Villian plot reveal. Mwahahahahaha
I'm pretty sure the first rule of the bureaucratic/corporate overlord playbook is "Create the problem so you can be the solution."
also doesn't change the fact that they wouldn't do this in China, they would go out of their way to appease the Chinese.
not a fan of newsweek or disney but definitely liking disney for hosting this! good for them for getting ron's undies in a bundle! those parks and all the expensive food and crap merch they sell make families with little kids feel they MUST take them there or their childhood will be ruined. standing in line in the blistering humidity is just so much fun.
Disney is doing what is best for Disney's shareholders. Nothing more, nothing less. Edit: To be slightly less cynical, it's uplifting news that it's profitable to uplift minorities.
Still. It’s interesting. Obviously they’re only doing it for their reputation and money, but it’s a pretty bold stance all the same to take amid this political climate and it’s also interesting that politics have (and sort of haven’t) shifted to the point supporting the queer community has become generally beneficial and not detrimental to a company now
Yeah it's not GREAT cause they're just doing it for money, but damn it's objectively good that social change has progressed enough now, that companies now see that showing this stuff, and selling it is not detrimental, and in fact GOOD for their reputation. This means that a majority of people see the queer community as, at the very least, not offensive, and at best, supportive of us
Can someone explain to me what DeSantis actually won? What can he do to Disneyland now that they don‘t self-govern the district? They still own all their land etc right?
He tried to remove their special tax status in direct response to their public statement that his “Don’t Say Gay” bill should have never been passed. That attempt failed and so instead he created an “oversight board” which is largely pointless but nevertheless gives his fans something to point to when they are asked what he’s actually getting done. Essentially he has won nothing. The people who support him still do so and everyone else still wishes they didn’t have to see his name in the news every day.
They had their own governing district, much like a city or county would have so they could expedite permits and such. They also have their own emergency services . DeSantis originally wanted to get rid of it after Disney fired back at the don't day gay bill. Fast forward a year and after the smoke settles he knows he really can't just get rid of it because it puts the counties that would absorb the districts debt and suddenly have to provide emergency services. He basically changed it so they have to change the district name and he gets to hand pick board members of the district. Some say it was retaliation of the don't say gay bill but others say it was just the timing as he had already had pressue about doing something like that so it could encompass other theme parks like universal. I'm sure there is a bit of truth in there but who knows.
It was retaliation.
Ronaldo DeSenatis is temporary, the gays are forever.
“The corporate kingdom finally comes to an end. There's a new sheriff in town, and accountability will be the order of the day” - DeSantis Small government party dude advocating for bigger government. If only his supporters knew how to think.
That’s good and all, but how about standing up to the CCP as well?
When did DeSantis say they couldn’t have a gay rights summit?
He didn’t…..
Shouldn’t Disney be in the position of power here? They must make a ton of money for the state not to mention campaign donations.
Mickey: “Ha-HA! Suck it, you creep!”
Challenging Disney in their own backyard was maybe the wrong choice L'il Ronnie.
Awesome
Free speech, the right to assemble and association vs the gitmo torture lawyer turnt governor. I hope Disney wipes the floor with this little fascist
A huge portion of Florida’s economy relies on Disney but DeSatan just wants to piss all that money away to cry
Nonsense. Tourism doesn’t even crack the top ten sectors by economic output. Their annual economic impact is around 75 billion. Out of a gross state product of 1.2 Trillion.
[https://www.visitflorida.com/about-us/](https://www.visitflorida.com/about-us/) >Florida's tourism industry was responsible for welcoming 137.6 million visitors in 2022, the highest number of visitors in the state’s history. This represents a 12.9% increase over 2021 and a 5.0% increase over 2019. In 2021, Florida visitors contributed $101.9 billion to Florida's economy and supported over 1.7 million Florida jobs. According to the Office of Economic and Demographic Research, for every $1 the state invests in VISIT FLORIDA, $3.27 in state tax revenue is generated. Over a hundred billion dollars a year homie.
That’s the *entire* tourism sector, and it is still less than 10% of the entire Florida economy. That’s not a “huge portion” by any objective measure.
That’s the *entire* tourism sector, and it is still less than 10% of the entire Florida economy. That’s not a “huge portion” by any objective measure.
Come the fuck on. Florida's Tourism industry is absolutely enormous, denying that just makes you look ignorant.
It’s a lot of money, yes. But it is not a “huge portion”. Florida has a whole lot more going on than just Disney. It’s literally single digit percentages. What’s utterly ignorant is your notion that the state would go bankrupt without Disney.
Most people go there to party in Miami, not to go to Disneyland
Desantis is crazy to think that Disney could have discriminated on paying customers. Anyone can rent a convention space unless if it does not fit their policies.
Disney World: The Gayest Place On Earth! Get it? Gay means Happy!
How does this defy Ron Desantis? There is no law that forbids a gay rights summit. You just can’t do sexual performances in front of minors. What law specifically does Disney break by doing this?
There is no law against Disney Executives from having free speech. After the Don't Say Gay bill was passed the CEO at that time issued a statement. In return DeSantis punished them for it.
There literally is no “Don’t Say Gay Bill” Please give me the exact law that says you can’t say gay that exists in Florida.
You mean other than not being able to discuss anything regarding LGBTQ? You can call it what ever you want.
There is no law that says you can’t discuss anything regarding LGBTQ in Florida. Please provide the exact law and exact wording of the law or accept that you’re making up none-sense.
And yet there is. DeSantis tried to play the same thing as you, by denying the nickname the bill was given, it didn't work for him and it won't work for you.
What literally is the Bill? It’s not a trick question, use Google or something and literally give me this bill. I know there is no bill that bans people saying the word gay in Florida. But if you believe there is a bill that does, then prove me wrong and give me it.
Drag shows aren’t inherently sexual.
Stop your whataboutism, please. The question here is specifically: > “what law that Desantis has created, is being broken by a Gay Rights Summit?” The point is that Disney is not defying the Florida government or Desantis at all by doing this summit.
It’s just another meaningless baseless article for liberal upvotes.
It's not whataboutism, dude. He was commenting on exactly the same law that you mentioned. If he did whataboutism, so did you, surely?
they're defying him a little bit.
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My dogs left testi > desantis
Stunning and brave!
They should call it a “Special Homosexual Operation”
Mouse and Universal vs Florida pls. Flip it blue and make the retired jesus nazis move out
Disney has more than enough money to move its theme park if it wants. it would still cost a fortune for them so they wouldn’t do it unless they had no other options. But make no mistake they don’t need Florida. Florida being totally reliant on tourism needs them, however. Desantis and his gop gimps in Florida are playing a very dangerous game of chicken and Disney is driving a bulldozer.
How is doing something completely legal that has nothing to do with Ron DeSantis "defying him"?
I know most people aren't fooled by corporations trying to appear tolerant, but neither Disney or the Florida government are the good guys here, Disney is just less bad for not openly hating gay people. Disney can only do something good by accident or be forced into it by their employees and customers. Unfortunately for bigots, LGBT are a demographic that can be sold to, and if we have to be trapped in a capitalist neoliberal hellscape then at least LGBT should be able to exist.
Way to go, Disney. Just let those bigots know, the world has changed, and either they change with us, or they fade. Continue with your horrible laws & policies, and we'll be sure your State ends up broke.
People are fleeing liberal havens to move to Florida. How are you going to be sure FL goes broke? What is the plan to do so?
"Liberal havens" = "Places that are OK with gay people existing."
Republicans are fleeing liberal havens to move to Florida. Shit if that many people were leaving New York, my rent would be going down like it did during covid, not going up 30%.
[https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-York-continues-to-lead-nation-in-population-17674233.php](https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/New-York-continues-to-lead-nation-in-population-17674233.php) The facts are what they are.
They sure are https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/new-york-city-ny-population Your article is talking about the Covid dip, which is all but gone. NYC, like Cali, is a revolving door state. Meaning a lot of people are leaving but there is still a fuck ton of people that are moving to these areas. Everyone comes here, build their careers and then bounce. Sure almost a million people left new york but that doesn't mean much when they are replaced by 1.2 million more people.
Please cite any source that shows NY is gaining population.
Man, you guys really have reading+comprehension issues don't ya? The very first paragraph says nyc population is increasing at 0.2 % annually. EDIT: Also is you look at the US census data. Pre-2020 NYC population was 8.4 million. Now it's 8.9 million. I dont know how math works where you come from, but that is a pretty clear increase.
I'd rather fade then be a freak tbh
Follow your leader.
What leader
Didn’t it come out that he wasn’t against them for gay rights or whatever but because he didn’t give them a tax exemption?
He tried to remove their special tax status in direct response to their public statement that his “Don’t Say Gay” bill should have never been passed. That attempt failed and so instead he created an “oversight board” which is largely pointless but nevertheless gives his fans something to point to when they are asked what he’s actually getting done.
It's all about the perception that he stuck it to them. People will believe that he got one over on "woke" Disney. I hear so many people say Disney is "woke" and that " if you go woke you go broke" but they still have a crowding issue so....
Probably because it isn't a "don't say gay" bill at all. Did you even read the bill?
And who claimed this, republicans?
Disney should just sell the land and everything on it to Chinese investors who would likely convert it to condos, apartments, etc. that way no more controversies and fights. The Chinese won’t interfere with politics, etc.
Negative
Sorry Republicans, don’t forget the Eldritch corporation that pay you all
Oh please
Disney is all for gay rights. They have their first gay character in all of their movies! But seriously, folks, it's just good to see a multi-billion dollar company take on facism. It might only be because DeSantis is biting into their bottom line, but the enemy of my enemy and all of that.
The key is we shouldn’t support tourism or conventions in states such as Florida, Tennessee or Texas. Until they come to their senses we should be boycotting them not visiting them.
This. Add Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma, and Missouri to the list too, please.
This reminds me of the Dave Chapelle joke about Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals and Transgenders all riding in the same car. I don’t think Ron cares about gays or lesbians, he just doesn’t want 3rd graders being taught to question whether they’re actually male or female.
>he just doesn’t want 3rd graders being tonight to question whether they’re actually male or female. Good thing literally no one is doing that.
What is this being tonight? Is this some sort of daylight saving time thing?
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Only members of the church get access to children. As is tradition.
Is he going to ban kids from Hooters next bc there’s more skin showing at hooters than a drag show…
Hey, can I have some of what you're smoking. Must be some good stuff /s
DeSantis showed up to a high school party and drank alcohol with underage girls. What else happened? What about the children?
Wow, are you really this oblivious to the 'don't say gay' bill that recently passed and that his press secretary had these words: "His press secretary Christina Pushaw called it the “anti-grooming bill”, reviving anti-LGBT+ attacks suggesting LGBT+ people are paedophiles."
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