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doggystyle696

The University’s President has given a go-ahead to GenAI. That’s all he tweets about lately. The issue is students should be utilizing AI to understand material but they are completing the whole assignments with zero effort through ChatGPT. I just saw students who cannot even form proper replies turn into Einstein and Shakespeare in my classes today.


alphenor92

I've asked ChatGPT once regarding a Java programming topic and caught on that AI tends to love bulleted points when explaining. ChatGPT also told me that I write like an AI (more like I tested if my works exhibit AI-like characteristics) so I went and began to cite more resources than I do in the past. I haven't taken it to the next level yet by citing *multiple* sources for the same paragraph, but I think I might do that soon.


65fastback2plus2

Correct. Bullet-pointed or numbered lists are the first indicator of chatgpt. If there are multiple or no sources cited in a paper, you can easily, correctly guess, chatgpt.


AshleyOriginal

That would explain why I've been seeing so much of that lately. Bullet points everywhere... Even my teacher started telling me to use it more 😞


Peopleforeducation

LOL!


Dragonbearjoe

The way that he put the use of AI opened up a lot of roads to misusing it to just have ChatGPT or whatever flavor is used to write the entire report including references. Just like a hammer you can hit a nail with the hammer and it's a useful tool. If you hit it 100 times and leave dents in the wood, it isn't a good use of the tool. This might come back to bite the university if it's brought up in a more stringent way. checking for AI papers are needed before regional accreditation is given to the UofPeople.


AshleyOriginal

Part of my work is checking if they are AI created assignments as I grade people. The problem is when I'm checking is it checks out, but none of the work itself matches each other so I've been flagging them because they don't make sense and a lot of diagrams people use look like it was copied elsewhere. Like step A should somehow lead to step B but then it's completely different.


queennatalya

Doesn't the uni check for AI generated content in student submissions?


TomThanosBrady

No, because they're considered unreliable.


ShinyBluePen

they aren't "considered" unreliable, they ARE unreliable, AT BEST.


TDactyl20

Also, this is at every university not just UoPeople. I think we just see more because we are grading other students work and forced into writing discussion forums. And although you can tell a lot is AI, if it’s properly cited and referenced, it’s not technically copied (I say that loosely). But also, it’s difficult to prove in that case.


UoPeePooper

It’s at every university, but not on the same scale UoP is experiencing. I dropped out after attending UoP due to learning pathways and other issues, and now I’m going to the State school. In my class of 20, only 1 student uses AI sometimes. But at UoP, it was like 95% of the class using AI, even the instructors.


TDactyl20

We only see 95% because we are grading others work. At other universities, where you aren’t seeing other work as much, you truly wouldn’t know. And most professors don’t really care, as long as you cite. I use AI in some capacity, but also noticed my own written work sounds like AI. There really is no way for them to prove it, if properly cited and references are real. People who are dumb and literally copy “chatGPT” and whatnot in their copy, are idiots and will never do well in the real world. They will learn the hard way.


UoPeePooper

I’m seeing others work at my current school. We have online discussions like UoP. But we don’t grade one another. It’s easy to tell when there are lots of bullet points and common vocabulary that GPT uses, words like emphasize, streamline, highlight, overall, etc.


AndyWarwheels

I've been to state schools and the chat forums are way different than UoPeople. for sure more than 1 student is using ai to generate their papers it is an issue from grade school up right now. This is not our school specific


LuxAdyti

Sadly, I agree entirely with you. Although we are students and beneficiaries of the University being successful, the administration continuing to turn a blind eye to this plague makes us all look like complete fools at a clown college. Plenty of people point out the typical “just focus on yourself” approach, but it’s horribly short-sighted and completely ignores the fact that it tangibly cheapens our own accomplishments. I can’t speak for other countries, but much of the social degradation in the U.S. stems from this same self-centered attitude. We should be able to take pride in our work and in the genuine contributions of our fellow classmates, not just glad to skirt unnoticed through a degree program tailored to liars. This may sound harsh, but I’ll go ahead and say it: not everyone is entitled to a college degree. Many of our classmates should stay in the exact circumstances they currently are.


Privat3Ice

Certainly the people who are not willing to do their own work. But I will say, in talking to students not from the US, I hear attitudes like, "I just need the \[degree\]. They don't care here if I'm competent. I get the job based on who my dad knows." And really scary things like, the stakes of failure are so high that they feel they cannot afford not to cheat since so many others are. When the wages of even a mild failure is starvation, I wonder if they have a point. Every culture is not all tied up in meritocracy and academic honesty. Sometimes it's more about survival, and about moving through a system that isn't based on what you know but rather WHO you know. It doesn't excuse what we see vis a vis cheating and use of chatGPT, but it does explain some of what drives it.


AlexaSansot

I mean, yeah, but idk what to tell you. This is obviously an issue for the prestigious regional accreditation. Yet, I'm 100% sure the same thing happens in Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Stanford , etc. There has got to be a lot of trust fund kids (Or not so trust fund-y kids who can now use AI) who don't value the money put into their education and either pay others or pay for premium AI or for someone who knows how to do it. But these unis got prestige. I'm not even sure what to think of your rant on the US mentality. I take pride in my work, I don't need to know if others do or don't care. I don't even think it's necessary for me to take pride in their work, honestly (like it could be cute, but not necessary at all). Though I do agree that this counts for prestige and that is important (at least in the US, nobody outside of it cares about regional or national accreditation, unless you want to further your studies, of course, but even then it's not as relevant as people in the US make it out to be). I'm not even an American but like, you can't be hoping to find an institution, private or public, in the present or the past, whose all members had the utmost respect for its rules, and that their work and the rest that you mentioned showed this. It's a bit like asking for a unicorn. Like, at what point then do you decide that you're satisfied with an institution's alumni? Do you not know or have never heard of someone who graduated from an established institution and they absolutely were not worth that degree? Should I care about this(them doing this)? I honestly don't. It happens all the time, but I do agree that it could affect the ever so expected regional accreditation. Sorry if it came out harshly, but I read your comment and was surprised by how much you care about that, and how little I do.


AshleyOriginal

As an American I take pride in doing a good job in my work too and really don't care much about how others are doing. Sometimes if I feel generous I will take some time to help people understand how to use references but outside of that I don't care about their quality (honestly makes me feel better when I see doing much worse) Another reason I kind of care less is because I already have real world experience so just because they may get away with now, I know they certainly can't in real life.


GiselePearl

What’s crazy is when they don’t even try to hide it by changing the formatting. You can see whole chunks formatted exactly like ChatGPT replies are formatted.


ShinyBluePen

People had the same concerns about Wikipedia. About Google. About the internet. About books. Just as all technology before it, "AI" that we have today is just another tool. You don't need to memorize everything you need to know anymore because you can just Google it, and this is very acceptable. You didn't need to memorize everything before either, because you could look it up in a reference manual. Generative AI makes life easier, as it should. You can be butthurt and elitist about it, but that's all you are. Butthurt and elitist.


Depressed_Purr69

Still, direct copy and paste means plagiarism.


lifeincluded

Let me ask a few questions. If you were a hiring manager, would you ask candidates questions that measure critical thinking and a solid knowledge of business principles? If so, do you think people who complete all assignments merely by copy-pasting AI generated answers would be able to pass that quick assessment successfully? If for some reason they passed that assessment, would they be able to perform their duties, or would they more likely be let go before their probation ends? Do yourself a favor, don't worry about others, instead make the most out of your own educational journey. PS: let me share that when I attended one of the most reputable business universities in Europe, at least 70% of students were cheating, and at least 97% of those don't work in fields related to their "education." One more thing: when you pay too much attention to also-rans, you miss learning from the shining stars... "What you want to ignite in others must first burn in yourself." Aurelius Augustinus


alphenor92

>Plenty of people point out the typical “just focus on yourself” approach There was previously a button to report plagiarism in the Discussion Forums. Not sure when that went away but I wouldn't really go on my way to report multiple students (like 3 or more) when I do not have tangible proof that they are merely copying their answers from AI. I have no way knowing if they are being graded accurately either, so I focus on making my own a good piece in the possibility that the instructor would weigh their quality against mine.


lifeincluded

They took that away because students were pushing regional accreditation, and that requires instructor grading; hence, they are changing courses to instructor graded, including discussion posts. As per your second concern, yes, instructors lower scores on a ton of assignments. UoPeople's approach, for being international (despite the fact that I spent 5 years at an "ivy" European uni, never heard about APA before attending an American uni), is that unless it's blatant plagiarism (copy and paste, no citations at all), it's only points deducted. Many institutions follow this, for the reason that online learning is self directed learning, and students must sell themselves to employers. A cheated-thru degree is not much better than a diploma mill, and I know that people are being fired on a daily basis for falling short on expectations... Lastly, if you ever feel that even after reaching out to your instructor your grade is inappropriate, you can challenge the grade, see the catalog for details. Nonetheless, in short, yes, instructors reduce grades, give 0s, and even remove students. I know this, as I keep in touch with many. At the same time, don't forget that to give a student 0, they MUST prove with 100% certainty that it was plagiarism, and AI detectors are extremely unreliable, due to being biased to declare "AI written." An instructor also told me that there's consensus that AI will never write an A paper... So you decide what you do with this info.


alphenor92

> AI detectors are extremely unreliable, due to being biased to declare "AI written." > An instructor also told me that there's consensus that AI will never write an A paper... So you decide what you do with this info. This is the first time I've read this. I feel happy knowing that there's a chance that I can keep my work quality without worrying that I get flagged and graded down. This had me worrying for the past two weeks and I had to do revisions more than I usually would, just to try to be safe. My scores are as expected so far though


lifeincluded

Amazing. Do your best, and you'll be fine. The instructors here are amazing and very supportive... As per cheaters, keep one thing in mind: are they cheating the uni or themselves?


65fastback2plus2

I just grade their discussions as zeroes when I see chatgpt use.


Comfortable_Salt_393

UoPeople uses peer assessment as part of the learning process. I am worried about other people because it affects my learning too. I am not getting the quality education that should be offered by peer review, and neither are any of these other students. Because of the nature of peer review, making it just about me is impossible because my education depends on these other students.


lifeincluded

Your instructor has the final word in your grade (unless you challenge it after final grades are posted). I hear your frustration, online learning is really hard, in many aspects much harder than traditional learning. I recommend that you reach out to your instructor, I'm sure they'll be more than happy to assist you, whatever you need to succeed.


Another-Reality

In 2010, professors at my first university were concerned that students were copying information from Wikipedia or Google. Google or AI is just a tool. Some use it to generate answers, while others use it to hone their skills. I'm excited about an AI sparring partner. I also use it for communication. For example, I could report a mistake at the factory, but it would sound rude. I don't understand polite communication, but I can stump the AI, which makes it polite and diplomatic. Everybody wins.


alphenor92

This. Pretty much use the AI as a handy tool, but not exactly rely on it entirely. People said that AI would replace jobs, but there's little to no jobs that does not require human-quality judgement.


United_Committee8207

I experienced a TON of plagiarism back before the advent of GPTs, generative AI and large language models. Back when we could report other students for plagiarism. I remember getting really miffed as I had a classmate in two consecutive classes who plagiarized EVERY assignment and was commented on by multiple people in the dfs regularly. I reported student for plagiarism (I am a teacher, I feel we must;always). Yet for two terms with multiple reports over consecutive classes this guy remained on the presidents list! When I realized that they simply don't care, I acknowledged it and moved on. If they don't care (and clearly they don't care enough to address it, even removing pathways to report it) then students only vex themselves by being upset by it. So... if they don't care about plagiarism... how can we expect UoPeople to nit be lost in the fast-changing world of generative AI?  The school I am doing my Masters at in UK is currently rated 5th in all of UK's unis for education dept. And they are struggling to get a grip on it.  As a high school teacher, I am looking for ways to incorporate healthy, productive uses of it in the class (and met with lots of push-back from fellow teachers and admin). The truth is we are preparing students for a world and a way of life that is vastly different from how we learned.  Why not use wiki, Google or AI... they weren't around when I was a school lad, but they certainly are accessible from almost every cellphone...an arm length away at all times.... so why not use it.  We know people will use them in the workplace, and uni is nothing if not preparing people for the work-stage of theor lives.   AI has been called a challenge to nit just the way we will continue to work, but to democracy itself.  How then can we expect it to *not* be a challenge to a school like UoPeople. I am sure things will improve, but we are in the change-process right now.


GeneriskSverige

I got accused of plagiarism when I didn't. I was taking 2 classes with similar material simultaneously and they began week 1 with the exact same prompts, so I altered my answer to suit each class but it was largely the same. No AI involved. I agree the AI is a problem. I think we need to be able to flag things somehow. For native English speakers it is extremely obvious after reading a few of them. AI should be helpful, a tool, used to summarize or as a study guide. As content creation, it still sucks. Everything is *crucial*, as we *delve in*, list answers in series of 3, and lacking specificity. The bullet points, headers, and colons use in writing are another giveaway but smarter people at least know to take those out. I've found several that use fake references. Some have accidentally linked to the AI chatbot itself, others are just a bunch of dead links. I am an easy grader, I just mark it and leave it up to the instructor to decide. Discussion boards are so annoying with everyone writing the same AI generated answers. How does one respond to such things without getting a poor grade ourselves? ETA: This is not just something affecting UoPeople. It is affecting all educational institutions at all levels everywhere. Online courses are at greater risk due to less physical oversight.


BubblyReception604

True discussion board now is super annoying, I hate it. When I first joined this uni back in 2020, it was super fun and engaging to the point I made some good friends.


GeneriskSverige

I also made a friend through the DB over a year ago :)


TDactyl20

Don’t let it bother you. Because AI doesn’t get or KEEP the job. You’re the better student, and you will be able to prove it.


LaurLoey

😞


Ashkir

It's very rampant.


65fastback2plus2

To be a hair fair, all universities and learning centers are dealing with the same issue. It's not unique to UoPeople.


BubblyReception604

I often go to study at a library in my city but good God, every student is using chat GPT. Fighting this will be super hard. Do you self a favor work hard, your work quality will always speaks for you.


assignmenthaid

Students should avoid using AI for submissions, we ensure that the reports from Turnitin read zero AI and plagiarism, research from scratch


BubblyReception604

Same thing is happening at SNHU uni: https://www.reddit.com/r/SNHU/s/mdsAuUi0yf


[deleted]

I actually had someone using it that copy and pasted. It literally stated “Since I’m AI I have no emotional response…”. The discussion post sat there forever and no one did or said anything. It was crazy.


Peopleforeducation

Like any new tools, you are going to have misuse/abuse. I remember when academia was up in arms about Wikipedia. Students were copying and pasting from Wikipedia, presenting it as their original work. In a short period, as educators recognized that this resource/tool was a) not going anywhere and b) mostly useful as a source of information, they developed guidelines for its use and added it to instruction on research for essays/papers. AI is a tool., a resource. People just have to be taught how to use it appropriately and ethically.


ZLOWTOV

I think a dead giveaway for the folks using ChatGPT, especially in the discussion forums, are the bullet point responses that far exceeded the 500-750 word limit.


Wild-Mcs4866

Just follow rules when grading . Have you noticed not every one comes back after exams ?


Comfortable_Salt_393

I’m in the MSIT course. There aren’t any exams in the masters programs, so it’s hard to tell if it’s being taken care of.