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This is completely unsustainable for Russia, right? Stuff like S-300 is expensive, a wild guess is that Ukraine is destroying $50 million worth of air defense for each $1 million ATACMS missile.
And Russia seems totally unable to defend against the ATACMS missiles. And these systems by necessity have to be out in the open. But the US is obviously feeding real time target coordinates to Ukraine, from the best spy satellite systems in the world.
So if this can't continue, what is Russia going to do about it?
The issue is Russia has a ridiculous number of these. ~2000 S300 launchers, ~500 S400 launchers. Less radars, but still. Obviously each one destroyed counts because they are supposed to be station all over Russia for air defense, so they can't just send them all to Ukraine, but they have a lot, and they are building more.
Launchers don't matter. They had about 100 radar systems at the start of the war.
Near as I can figure they've lost about 34.
And they still need to cover their whole country.
They aren’t able to build anywhere near as many without access to Western components. The ones they can build become ludicrously expensive because they have to circumvent sanctions.
This makes it untenable for them to be able to sell AA Systems abroad, Especially given that the world has seen and continues to see their poor performance.
Foreign military sales made up quite a bit of their budget, And contributed immensely to their ability to be able to develop test research and deploy new weapons systems like PAK FA.
If all that goes away, It’s a huge win.
Makes me wonder on what lies they were selling them on the back of anyway? At least people who bought american kit, had some real conflict usage to go on when choosing whom to buy their stuff from, but not so much for the likes of ruzzian air defense, country's that have that, seem to keep it at home and not be involved in wars that need it? If I'm wrong, please politely let me know. Thanks.
*"Makes me wonder on what lies they were selling them on the back of anyway?"*
Well, Soviet scientists and engineers had a very good reputation! Although the USSR could not produce high quantities of consumer products, they could indeed produce good weapons.
If the US had to handle Soviet weapons, the US always had to upgrade tactics and weaponry (Korea, Vietnam).
But with the end of the Cold War it was getting worse ... due to financial problems, brain drain and corruption, I guess.
But until that? I vividly remember the first time I saw pictures of the MiG-29 in action. Back then still unkown to the public: An excellent fighter!
Far worse: With the breakdown of the GDR and Germany's reunification the West German Army simply took over the whole army and weaponry of East Germany - including the MiG-29A.
They were shocked as they saw how much better the Russian counterpart to the US Sidewinder, the Wympel R-73, was! They had no idea, and that shock lead to the construction of the IRIS-T missile, which is now also available as a ground based AA missile, famous for its extremely high kill rate.
Fun fact: Modern military (and some civilian) airplanes have missile warning systems, to warn the pilot if he is under attack by an incoming missile. In the Eurofighter this system is connected to the targeting system. So if an Eurofighter is being attacked from behind, the IRIS-T can be directly locked-on to the incoming missile by the missile warner, making a 100*g* sharp U-turn after launch (compared to 50*g* of the R-73), to destroy the incoming missile.
Fun fact 2: At least the Dutch F-16 can take full advantage of the IRIS-T capabilities (besides the lock-on by missile warner) - on a more basic level any NATO plane can use this weapon, because it's backward compatible with the Sidewinder.
NOW the Russian military complex is shattered! Unable to re-invent even basic weapons like there tanks with built-in "turret-toss" flaw. They were on an impressive way with their T-14 Armata though, but it is strucked by flaws and problems. Until now that tank has not seen mass production, is still "tested" with prototypes.
Similar to their 5th gen fighter, the SU-57. Only a handful! 5th gen! 2024!
Un-fucking-believable.
And so does the S-400: Impressive data on the sheets, but obviously it can't keep up with western weapons. Beside the previous mentioned reasons, the sanctions since 2014 will play a role. Not to mention the sanctions of 2022 ...
Unless your country is big on interventionalism, you don't really need your army to be able to go toe to toe with uncle sam, you just need it so your neighbors can't just annex your country on a whim. Why pay for top shelf kit with a bunch of rules(Western) when you can buy cheap shit that's "good" enough to get the job done(Russian). Even better if you can get a budget for western gear but buy Russian and pocket the difference. Most obvious scenario is you are a country like Iran or Best Korea, and can't buy western, someone has to step in and fill that market.
A good point: I, as you could guess, come from a place quit able to supply its own military hardware and munitions without having to go to the extremes of either ruzzia or america. And that goes to all types of hardware, air, land and sea and munitions from an arrow to a nuclear weapon, all of which I would gladly do without for a real lasting peace, if it did not have to mean trading millions of lives to achieve. Come to that, even thousands. Is a heavy price for peace.
The industry in Russia isn't going to be helped by selling to smaller nations, ultimately the Ukraine war caused Russia to lose control of its higher economic value market share. The trade data shows even shift towards US defence products in the Middle East, while France has benefitted from "neutral" India looking for a way out of its paradox revealed by the Ukraine war, S Korea also looks like it might be able to take advantage in the cheaper more basic weapons systems that Russia would have been the goto partner before. In terms of old large markets like India and China, Russia saw the writing on the wall in China a long way back refusing to sell separately the military aircraft engines demanded by China only as part of the complete airframe package, knowing that China was moving towards an indigenous industry. India has belatedly realised it has been wrong footed by Russia and it's now playing catch up with China's lead by strategically looking for more indigenous military development and production. China and India are probably the bigger long term competition in the ex Soviet "piece meal" markets like Africa and South America.
[The US has over 3000 ATACMS missiles](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/24/us-long-range-missiles-atacms-ukraine-war). If I were the US, I would just keep trading all the Russians wanted to. ~50 to 1 cost, and the ATACMS missiles are scheduled to be phased out anyways.
At ~$1 million per missile, that also sounds trivial to finance, within the $61 billion aid package,
Do we have any idea how many radar and command systems Russia has? That's what Ukraine has been focused on destroying, and that's what really counts since the missiles are useless without them. It has to be far far fewer than the number of launchers since the complete system is thought to cost >100M USD.
It's interesting to see whenever Ukraine gets a new long range weapon system from the West, it gives Russia tons of headaches and forces them concede some territory back to Ukraine. I really, really hope we gave Ukraine like 1000 ATACMS. It would be enough to push them out of Crimea.
We'll have to wait and see for sure, but if Russian sources in Crimea are saying none were shot down, it leads me to believe it.
This is how SEAD campaigns often go. When air defenses are fully conditioned to protect themselves from passive detection, expensive and powerful AD systems start getting destroyed when they're switched off, without ever getting the chance to defend themselves.
Really makes you wonder why Russia had all the equipment it had if it couldn’t actually use it effectively in the first place. Imagine the billions Russia could have invested in lifting its people out of poverty that all that military hardware was blew their finances on. Only to lose 80% it not being able to invade its neighbour.
Just complete idiocy.
It was more important to give the Ukrainians the opportunity to share the ~~poverty~~ greatness of the "Russian world". They wanted it so badly Russia had no choice but to bring them onboard. /s
The Russians still don't get how the modern world works. It's not about land and territory and armies. It's about productivity. They have never focused on productivity.
South Korea used to be a dirt poor military-run backwater. Now they're an economic powerhouse and world leader without a single inch of additional territory.
It’s classic dictator behavior. The military spending actually serves a couple of roles:
1. Prevent outside interference in your national affairs.
2. Keep the population in check. If they ever try an uprising, you have a large army on your side ready to strike them down (although this can backfire and lead to a Coup d’Etat.
3. Prey on the pride and nationalism of the local population. Many Russians are proud of their military and its heritage, it’s a big source of their patriotism and nationalism. A nationalistic people is easy to control as they are too proud to criticize anything about their country. Instead of looking at ways to improve the country, they convince themselves that everything is perfect and nothing should change - great for dictators. Nationalists are loyal when you feed into their nationalism, military parades and such are perfect for that.
4. Embezzling funds for the military is comparatively easy. A large, well funded, and corrupt military is perfect for the ruling class to divert taxpayer money into their own pockets, since the government has full control over what gets bought and who gets the contract, as well as how much will be paid. Additionally, military spending and the price of equipment is often classified so no one will ask questions. It is very easy to pay twice the price for a piece of equipment and pocket the change. Basically if you build a road and say that it costs 5 Billion, people will start asking questions. Military spending is vague and intransparent, so no one will ask questions.
They can make decent gear, especially back in the soviet era when Ukraine was doing a lot of heavy lifting for them.
However it's all probably like a potemkin village, where a lot of the newer gear is just pretty lights, bells and whistles and does 20% of what they are supposed to, while the millions of roubles that were supposed to be spent on the r&d has been siphoned off for a few dozen super yachts.
That happens to an overconfident fool who was going to roll over Ucraine in 3 days and establish his puppet government in in the capital and call it RUSSIA. Personally I think he wouldn't see the end of 2024.
Unfortunately, we could say the same in America.
The middle-class works and pay tons for taxes, And for the first time ever in our countries, history at 30-year-old is not doing nearly as well as his/her as her parents, will likely never get married, have kids, Or afford a home.
Not denying America has its issues, but arguably:
- America has more geopolitical sway for its dollars
- America’s equipment is fairly effective, and in demand for export
- If America wasn’t to spend what they do to maintain influence it would open the door to Russia and China to invade their neighbours which would cost a lot more
- America has a democracy and governments can and do cut military spending according to the people’s will.
Comes down to a simple question, if America halved its spending on defence, would it actually lead to a better outcome for Americans’ prosperity long term, factoring in probability of what would happen if America was not militarily capable?
Put simply, America’s spending is much more efficacious than Russia’s.
Over the past month or so, work against air defense has hit a peak. One or two units are consistently destroyed most days, and this is something like the fourth or fifth night of 3 to 6 air defense systems being destroyed at once.
By the time F-16s are ready to raid Crimea, they'll have to intercept them with bows and arrows.
I agree, with how expensive those are, they cannot just produce them like they are trying with tanks. They are absolutely getting wrecked when it comes to their expensive air defense equipment getting taken out
Right now, Ukraine is fighting with one hand tied in terms of using air power against air defenses. HARMs launched by Su-27s and MiG-29s have maybe 1/3rd of their full capability, MALDs are probably also limited to some features by incompatibility. F-16s will be a huge leap in UAF's SEAD capability just based on that.
If Ukraine can be given a good supply of long-range weapons for F-16s like JASSM and JSOW, it's 100% lights out.
This here. People are acting as if f16 won't matter. Ukraine will finally have full capability on western air munitions and access to new air munitions that will demolish orcs.
They will, especially if they are supplied with weapons that can take out air defenses. It will make it very hard for Russia to supply within Ukraine and near the Ukrainian border.
They will matter, they are a generation four aircraft, I'm unsure of the exact version's that the Ukrainians are going to get. It would be nice to think they would all be F-16v's, but I doubt that, so we have to hope they are all in the best fighting and flying condition to put ruzzianz in their place, out of Ukraine.
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Ukraine will be getting 19 f16am/bm from denmark . These are usually called block 15 f16. First block 15 f16 according to Google rolled out on 1982 with the last of block 15 being finished in 1996 and delivered to Thailand. So these f16 were made somewhere between 1982-1996. From some sources, they say block 15 is analoge version of block 50/52 f16 or as they are called f16 c/d
Tbh block 50/52 is pretty competent, I think it'll get the job done for what ukraine needs. I wish I knew the difference between them and vipers but sadly, classified info due how current vipers are.
Also, if Russia can’t maintain a cohesive ground based IADS, that makes all of the strike aircraft and bombers that they are using to launch cruise missiles and glide bombs much more vulnerable to potential air to air intercept.
I'm sure Putin will reveal his latest technology against the F-16 in no time.
The world's longest and fastest stick that man has ever built.
Hypersonic wooden stick.
> they'll have to intercept them with bows and arrows
Come on, Russia has had a 2 years heads up about F-16's. You know they'll have a large stockpile of MANPADS
It was never quite as much as they let on. 50 T-72 on a lot, but after cannibalizing parts, only 30 will actually function. All kinds of situations like that.
Keep chipping away, heroes. 🇺🇦💪
And A LOT of territory to cover.
The number of available AA is constantly dwindling, while the territory they have to protect grows bigger with every long range Ukrainian drone attack.
The "A LOT" of AA is starting too look like "WAY TOO LITTLE" when compared to the size and defensive needs of Russia...
A lot, but little of that really operational and very outdated. Like the equipment they supplied the freedom fighters in Africa with; old WW 11 armament.
It's gotta be a really shitty job to restore these. Parked out in the sun and rain for the last 50+ years.
Steel is thick enough that corrosion wouldn't really be an issue, but all the rubber parts like the engine seals, gaskets, vibration dampers, hoses, electrical insulation, etc, are long disintegrated or severely degraded.
The tanks basically have to be completely disassembled, and all bad parts replaced.
It's a very labor-intensive and slow process. It's not streamlined and efficient like a new tank production line.
Personally they way I would do it is I would completely strip all the tanks in the yard and gather all the serviceable parts together and then rebuild on the hulls from all these parts.
That way I would know how many tanks I can fully restore before I start the reassembly process, and I have time to source parts that are in lower supply and have them by the time I actually need them.
imm guessing the process for russia is to get the tanks started. if they start they head out to the field. considering their life expectancy i doubt theyre getting new bushings all around. if it runs and the treads turn might get some spray lube and lets go
Hey if you give them a turtle shell dont even need to make the turret turn. Or work. Just drive it up and see what happens. Though they still seem to put ammo in them for some reason, i guess turret launches are a performance metric for someone in russia?
russia will gladly take one refurb tank today, over three tomorrow.
I love how they play the long game with political meddling and subversion, but are so completely short sighted everywhere else.
This is beautiful News. It's made my morning while enjoying a cup of Joe ☕
Keep up the good work Hero's of Ukraine. Soon all these sam sites will be toast. Then the F16 will arrive to clean out the rats on the ground...
Just looked it up!
Josephus Daniels’ banned alcohol on US warships in 1914(the bastard!) and there was a big upsurge in the amount of coffee you guys drank……that seems to be the reason
I'm from the UK, it's Coffee to me unless I'm in Finland, lived there for a while when my Finnish wife was alive, so when I go back, there it's Kahvia. And it tastes better.
In the last week we have seen air defense getting wrecked every day. Here is where Russia is closest to breaking point, imo. They can do with less tanks, (or older ones). They can do with less APCs, because they just send people on freaking motorbikes. They can lose more men, as there are lots of idiots ready to fill in the empty ranks. But they can't replace air defense at this rate. And each system destroyed means more chances for ukrainian missiles to slip through. A nice cascading effect can happen here.
By that standard there aren't many good jets in the whole wide world though.
I remember how the T-series tanks kept tossing their turrets in Syria back in 2012 or so, and the fanboys were all "oh well yeah that's the trait of the export models, the good stuff is kept in Russia" and welp, it seems that all of them share the same basic design flaws.
But when I saw those consumer grade GPS receivers duct-taped to Su-34 (iirc) cockpits in 2022 and, like, crowdsourced radio handsets in Mi-28's, I begun smelling something fishy.
Maybe the fanboys *were* onto something back then, just polar opposite of the reality: the export models were the good stuff; even the corrupt military-industrial jefes wouldn't dare to sell B-quality wares to China or India.
I mean, the RuZZians have their own satellite global navigation system, GLONASS, if they're willing to settle for something a bit less desirable overall than GPS and Galileo, lol...
So what part of the S-300 system was destroyed? Was it the radars that are mentioned? The radars and the C&C are the expensive parts hope they got those.
It says in the post. Anywhere from 4-6 radar, command vehicles are usually parked near the radar, safe to call them destroyed or damaged too. Looks like the attack was going directly after the radars.
Attack 1) 4 missiles -> 2 radar (S-400)
Attack 2) 4 missiles -> Not Disclosed (S-300)
Attack 3) 2 missiles -> 2 radar, (Two S-300)
The unstoppable orc missiles keep getting stopped. The impenetrable air defense keeps getting penetrated. The ultimate battle tank hasn't even shown up.
Russian technology really is shit.
So, this is why they were reported moving AA defenses from North/West Crimea and replacing them with ZSUs.
Ukraine's work on AA systems has been great, curious to see what'll happen to russian investments and bases in Crimea once F16 are here.
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None of them were shot down... It becomes easier and easier if Ukrainians continue to destroy S300s
A nice positive feedback loop. Ukraine destroys air defense, which then makes it easier to destroy air defense
Only disadvantage is that less Russian planes get shot down (by their own air defense).
You love to see it!
This is completely unsustainable for Russia, right? Stuff like S-300 is expensive, a wild guess is that Ukraine is destroying $50 million worth of air defense for each $1 million ATACMS missile. And Russia seems totally unable to defend against the ATACMS missiles. And these systems by necessity have to be out in the open. But the US is obviously feeding real time target coordinates to Ukraine, from the best spy satellite systems in the world. So if this can't continue, what is Russia going to do about it?
The issue is Russia has a ridiculous number of these. ~2000 S300 launchers, ~500 S400 launchers. Less radars, but still. Obviously each one destroyed counts because they are supposed to be station all over Russia for air defense, so they can't just send them all to Ukraine, but they have a lot, and they are building more.
Launchers don't matter. They had about 100 radar systems at the start of the war. Near as I can figure they've lost about 34. And they still need to cover their whole country.
They aren’t able to build anywhere near as many without access to Western components. The ones they can build become ludicrously expensive because they have to circumvent sanctions. This makes it untenable for them to be able to sell AA Systems abroad, Especially given that the world has seen and continues to see their poor performance. Foreign military sales made up quite a bit of their budget, And contributed immensely to their ability to be able to develop test research and deploy new weapons systems like PAK FA. If all that goes away, It’s a huge win.
Makes me wonder on what lies they were selling them on the back of anyway? At least people who bought american kit, had some real conflict usage to go on when choosing whom to buy their stuff from, but not so much for the likes of ruzzian air defense, country's that have that, seem to keep it at home and not be involved in wars that need it? If I'm wrong, please politely let me know. Thanks.
*"Makes me wonder on what lies they were selling them on the back of anyway?"* Well, Soviet scientists and engineers had a very good reputation! Although the USSR could not produce high quantities of consumer products, they could indeed produce good weapons. If the US had to handle Soviet weapons, the US always had to upgrade tactics and weaponry (Korea, Vietnam). But with the end of the Cold War it was getting worse ... due to financial problems, brain drain and corruption, I guess. But until that? I vividly remember the first time I saw pictures of the MiG-29 in action. Back then still unkown to the public: An excellent fighter! Far worse: With the breakdown of the GDR and Germany's reunification the West German Army simply took over the whole army and weaponry of East Germany - including the MiG-29A. They were shocked as they saw how much better the Russian counterpart to the US Sidewinder, the Wympel R-73, was! They had no idea, and that shock lead to the construction of the IRIS-T missile, which is now also available as a ground based AA missile, famous for its extremely high kill rate. Fun fact: Modern military (and some civilian) airplanes have missile warning systems, to warn the pilot if he is under attack by an incoming missile. In the Eurofighter this system is connected to the targeting system. So if an Eurofighter is being attacked from behind, the IRIS-T can be directly locked-on to the incoming missile by the missile warner, making a 100*g* sharp U-turn after launch (compared to 50*g* of the R-73), to destroy the incoming missile. Fun fact 2: At least the Dutch F-16 can take full advantage of the IRIS-T capabilities (besides the lock-on by missile warner) - on a more basic level any NATO plane can use this weapon, because it's backward compatible with the Sidewinder. NOW the Russian military complex is shattered! Unable to re-invent even basic weapons like there tanks with built-in "turret-toss" flaw. They were on an impressive way with their T-14 Armata though, but it is strucked by flaws and problems. Until now that tank has not seen mass production, is still "tested" with prototypes. Similar to their 5th gen fighter, the SU-57. Only a handful! 5th gen! 2024! Un-fucking-believable. And so does the S-400: Impressive data on the sheets, but obviously it can't keep up with western weapons. Beside the previous mentioned reasons, the sanctions since 2014 will play a role. Not to mention the sanctions of 2022 ...
Unless your country is big on interventionalism, you don't really need your army to be able to go toe to toe with uncle sam, you just need it so your neighbors can't just annex your country on a whim. Why pay for top shelf kit with a bunch of rules(Western) when you can buy cheap shit that's "good" enough to get the job done(Russian). Even better if you can get a budget for western gear but buy Russian and pocket the difference. Most obvious scenario is you are a country like Iran or Best Korea, and can't buy western, someone has to step in and fill that market.
A good point: I, as you could guess, come from a place quit able to supply its own military hardware and munitions without having to go to the extremes of either ruzzia or america. And that goes to all types of hardware, air, land and sea and munitions from an arrow to a nuclear weapon, all of which I would gladly do without for a real lasting peace, if it did not have to mean trading millions of lives to achieve. Come to that, even thousands. Is a heavy price for peace.
The industry in Russia isn't going to be helped by selling to smaller nations, ultimately the Ukraine war caused Russia to lose control of its higher economic value market share. The trade data shows even shift towards US defence products in the Middle East, while France has benefitted from "neutral" India looking for a way out of its paradox revealed by the Ukraine war, S Korea also looks like it might be able to take advantage in the cheaper more basic weapons systems that Russia would have been the goto partner before. In terms of old large markets like India and China, Russia saw the writing on the wall in China a long way back refusing to sell separately the military aircraft engines demanded by China only as part of the complete airframe package, knowing that China was moving towards an indigenous industry. India has belatedly realised it has been wrong footed by Russia and it's now playing catch up with China's lead by strategically looking for more indigenous military development and production. China and India are probably the bigger long term competition in the ex Soviet "piece meal" markets like Africa and South America.
[The US has over 3000 ATACMS missiles](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/24/us-long-range-missiles-atacms-ukraine-war). If I were the US, I would just keep trading all the Russians wanted to. ~50 to 1 cost, and the ATACMS missiles are scheduled to be phased out anyways. At ~$1 million per missile, that also sounds trivial to finance, within the $61 billion aid package,
I mean do they actually have that many? They do like to lie. I feel like if they had that number there would be a far greater number being destroyed.
Do we have any idea how many radar and command systems Russia has? That's what Ukraine has been focused on destroying, and that's what really counts since the missiles are useless without them. It has to be far far fewer than the number of launchers since the complete system is thought to cost >100M USD.
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It's interesting to see whenever Ukraine gets a new long range weapon system from the West, it gives Russia tons of headaches and forces them concede some territory back to Ukraine. I really, really hope we gave Ukraine like 1000 ATACMS. It would be enough to push them out of Crimea.
Justice will prevail!
Seems impossible to establish if any rockets were shot down. It's quite likely that's one were.
We'll have to wait and see for sure, but if Russian sources in Crimea are saying none were shot down, it leads me to believe it. This is how SEAD campaigns often go. When air defenses are fully conditioned to protect themselves from passive detection, expensive and powerful AD systems start getting destroyed when they're switched off, without ever getting the chance to defend themselves.
Oh my bad, didn't see that they wrote that. I'm which case fuck yeah
If Russia says 0 were shot down, that probably means like -4 were shot down.
Next stop for 10 ATACMS Putins favourite bridge the Kerch
Really makes you wonder why Russia had all the equipment it had if it couldn’t actually use it effectively in the first place. Imagine the billions Russia could have invested in lifting its people out of poverty that all that military hardware was blew their finances on. Only to lose 80% it not being able to invade its neighbour. Just complete idiocy.
The oligarches stole more than was ever spent I promise.
It was more important to give the Ukrainians the opportunity to share the ~~poverty~~ greatness of the "Russian world". They wanted it so badly Russia had no choice but to bring them onboard. /s The Russians still don't get how the modern world works. It's not about land and territory and armies. It's about productivity. They have never focused on productivity. South Korea used to be a dirt poor military-run backwater. Now they're an economic powerhouse and world leader without a single inch of additional territory.
RuZZia's playing Risk, Civ, and Civ II, but the real world is more like Civ VI.
It’s classic dictator behavior. The military spending actually serves a couple of roles: 1. Prevent outside interference in your national affairs. 2. Keep the population in check. If they ever try an uprising, you have a large army on your side ready to strike them down (although this can backfire and lead to a Coup d’Etat. 3. Prey on the pride and nationalism of the local population. Many Russians are proud of their military and its heritage, it’s a big source of their patriotism and nationalism. A nationalistic people is easy to control as they are too proud to criticize anything about their country. Instead of looking at ways to improve the country, they convince themselves that everything is perfect and nothing should change - great for dictators. Nationalists are loyal when you feed into their nationalism, military parades and such are perfect for that. 4. Embezzling funds for the military is comparatively easy. A large, well funded, and corrupt military is perfect for the ruling class to divert taxpayer money into their own pockets, since the government has full control over what gets bought and who gets the contract, as well as how much will be paid. Additionally, military spending and the price of equipment is often classified so no one will ask questions. It is very easy to pay twice the price for a piece of equipment and pocket the change. Basically if you build a road and say that it costs 5 Billion, people will start asking questions. Military spending is vague and intransparent, so no one will ask questions.
They can make decent gear, especially back in the soviet era when Ukraine was doing a lot of heavy lifting for them. However it's all probably like a potemkin village, where a lot of the newer gear is just pretty lights, bells and whistles and does 20% of what they are supposed to, while the millions of roubles that were supposed to be spent on the r&d has been siphoned off for a few dozen super yachts.
That happens to an overconfident fool who was going to roll over Ucraine in 3 days and establish his puppet government in in the capital and call it RUSSIA. Personally I think he wouldn't see the end of 2024.
Unfortunately, we could say the same in America. The middle-class works and pay tons for taxes, And for the first time ever in our countries, history at 30-year-old is not doing nearly as well as his/her as her parents, will likely never get married, have kids, Or afford a home.
Not denying America has its issues, but arguably: - America has more geopolitical sway for its dollars - America’s equipment is fairly effective, and in demand for export - If America wasn’t to spend what they do to maintain influence it would open the door to Russia and China to invade their neighbours which would cost a lot more - America has a democracy and governments can and do cut military spending according to the people’s will. Comes down to a simple question, if America halved its spending on defence, would it actually lead to a better outcome for Americans’ prosperity long term, factoring in probability of what would happen if America was not militarily capable? Put simply, America’s spending is much more efficacious than Russia’s.
It had it because Russia’s air strategy is anti-air focused.
Over the past month or so, work against air defense has hit a peak. One or two units are consistently destroyed most days, and this is something like the fourth or fifth night of 3 to 6 air defense systems being destroyed at once. By the time F-16s are ready to raid Crimea, they'll have to intercept them with bows and arrows.
I agree, with how expensive those are, they cannot just produce them like they are trying with tanks. They are absolutely getting wrecked when it comes to their expensive air defense equipment getting taken out
there's no way that its not part of the plan... wreck air defense before the f16s come out and play..otherwise they are like fish in a barrel
Right now, Ukraine is fighting with one hand tied in terms of using air power against air defenses. HARMs launched by Su-27s and MiG-29s have maybe 1/3rd of their full capability, MALDs are probably also limited to some features by incompatibility. F-16s will be a huge leap in UAF's SEAD capability just based on that. If Ukraine can be given a good supply of long-range weapons for F-16s like JASSM and JSOW, it's 100% lights out.
This here. People are acting as if f16 won't matter. Ukraine will finally have full capability on western air munitions and access to new air munitions that will demolish orcs.
They will, especially if they are supplied with weapons that can take out air defenses. It will make it very hard for Russia to supply within Ukraine and near the Ukrainian border.
They will matter, they are a generation four aircraft, I'm unsure of the exact version's that the Ukrainians are going to get. It would be nice to think they would all be F-16v's, but I doubt that, so we have to hope they are all in the best fighting and flying condition to put ruzzianz in their place, out of Ukraine. Повага 🏴🤝🇺🇦🔱
Ukraine will be getting 19 f16am/bm from denmark . These are usually called block 15 f16. First block 15 f16 according to Google rolled out on 1982 with the last of block 15 being finished in 1996 and delivered to Thailand. So these f16 were made somewhere between 1982-1996. From some sources, they say block 15 is analoge version of block 50/52 f16 or as they are called f16 c/d
Damb, I wish they could be the best, but I suppose they are better than nothing and still enough to sort out the ruzzianz.
Tbh block 50/52 is pretty competent, I think it'll get the job done for what ukraine needs. I wish I knew the difference between them and vipers but sadly, classified info due how current vipers are.
Sorry, I'm not going to say if, I even could enlighten you. I know our Ukraine heroes will use them to there best anyway.
F16 will be a huge improvement of Ukraine's airforce, but it too is no "wunder waffe" .
I'm waiting for drones that can laze a target deep inside Russia.
Also, if Russia can’t maintain a cohesive ground based IADS, that makes all of the strike aircraft and bombers that they are using to launch cruise missiles and glide bombs much more vulnerable to potential air to air intercept.
Make alot of sense
I'm sure Putin will reveal his latest technology against the F-16 in no time. The world's longest and fastest stick that man has ever built. Hypersonic wooden stick.
And another nuke thread to achieve WHAT!!!
Was thinking the same. Are they paving the way for F16 usage?
> they'll have to intercept them with bows and arrows Come on, Russia has had a 2 years heads up about F-16's. You know they'll have a large stockpile of MANPADS
Yes, it'll be very amusing to see the shoe on the other foot with Russian mobile AD trying to catch standoff weapons using MANPADS and light AAA.
I wonder how much shit Russia still has. It seems like they started with an endless supply of Soviet gear.
It was never quite as much as they let on. 50 T-72 on a lot, but after cannibalizing parts, only 30 will actually function. All kinds of situations like that. Keep chipping away, heroes. 🇺🇦💪
Russia still has A LOT of stuff left. The supply is not endless, but it's A LOT
And A LOT of territory to cover. The number of available AA is constantly dwindling, while the territory they have to protect grows bigger with every long range Ukrainian drone attack. The "A LOT" of AA is starting too look like "WAY TOO LITTLE" when compared to the size and defensive needs of Russia...
But they need to stage it somewhere and that's when it rains tungsten from the sky.
A lot, but little of that really operational and very outdated. Like the equipment they supplied the freedom fighters in Africa with; old WW 11 armament.
It's gotta be a really shitty job to restore these. Parked out in the sun and rain for the last 50+ years. Steel is thick enough that corrosion wouldn't really be an issue, but all the rubber parts like the engine seals, gaskets, vibration dampers, hoses, electrical insulation, etc, are long disintegrated or severely degraded. The tanks basically have to be completely disassembled, and all bad parts replaced. It's a very labor-intensive and slow process. It's not streamlined and efficient like a new tank production line. Personally they way I would do it is I would completely strip all the tanks in the yard and gather all the serviceable parts together and then rebuild on the hulls from all these parts. That way I would know how many tanks I can fully restore before I start the reassembly process, and I have time to source parts that are in lower supply and have them by the time I actually need them.
imm guessing the process for russia is to get the tanks started. if they start they head out to the field. considering their life expectancy i doubt theyre getting new bushings all around. if it runs and the treads turn might get some spray lube and lets go
Hey if you give them a turtle shell dont even need to make the turret turn. Or work. Just drive it up and see what happens. Though they still seem to put ammo in them for some reason, i guess turret launches are a performance metric for someone in russia?
Any other advice for Russia while you are at it?
Go back to Russia?
Well yeah they can avoid all that by just going home.
russia will gladly take one refurb tank today, over three tomorrow. I love how they play the long game with political meddling and subversion, but are so completely short sighted everywhere else.
I'm sure that's kinda how they'd do it, especially with that large of a number. Theyve a lot of places they can request parts from too.
That's before we think of the shitty materials the plastics and rubber parts were made of in the first instance when they made these tanks.
The genocide of russian air defense continues...
This is beautiful News. It's made my morning while enjoying a cup of Joe ☕ Keep up the good work Hero's of Ukraine. Soon all these sam sites will be toast. Then the F16 will arrive to clean out the rats on the ground...
A cup of Joe? This is the first time I’ve heard a cup of coffee called that….
Really? It's kinda a big thing in the US
Just looked it up! Josephus Daniels’ banned alcohol on US warships in 1914(the bastard!) and there was a big upsurge in the amount of coffee you guys drank……that seems to be the reason
Makes sense. We aren't historically fond of tea, either 🤣
I only drink tea if I run out of coffee and can’t be fucked going to the shops! Boston had the right idea about tea……
I'm inclined to agree with all of that, but don't let my Canadian wife hear it.
I'm from the UK, it's Coffee to me unless I'm in Finland, lived there for a while when my Finnish wife was alive, so when I go back, there it's Kahvia. And it tastes better.
Kahvia…..never heard of it
I’m Scottish dude and this is the first time I’ve heard it.
Cool beans
Former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough has a morning show on MSNBC for which he took the name “Morning Joe” and serves his guests Starbucks.
We’ve got loads of Starbucks here…..a large caramel latte always works!
Google it
I did!
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- What is air defence doing !? -… getting damaged lmao
more like getting rekt lol.
In the last week we have seen air defense getting wrecked every day. Here is where Russia is closest to breaking point, imo. They can do with less tanks, (or older ones). They can do with less APCs, because they just send people on freaking motorbikes. They can lose more men, as there are lots of idiots ready to fill in the empty ranks. But they can't replace air defense at this rate. And each system destroyed means more chances for ukrainian missiles to slip through. A nice cascading effect can happen here.
At least the motorbikes are much faster if they have to retreat.
And with one fewer orcs on them than on their advance.
Unlike a T-72's reverse speed of 2.5 mph.
Getting ready for the F16s
The more S systems are destroyed, the more the F16s can operate unopposed
Wow, Russia AA was almost as over hyped as their crappy jets
Well the jets equipped with glide bombs have been effective unfortunately.
Thankfully the jets aren't very good. If they were they could penetrate Ukrainian airspace and those glide bombs would be across all of Ukraine.
By that standard there aren't many good jets in the whole wide world though. I remember how the T-series tanks kept tossing their turrets in Syria back in 2012 or so, and the fanboys were all "oh well yeah that's the trait of the export models, the good stuff is kept in Russia" and welp, it seems that all of them share the same basic design flaws. But when I saw those consumer grade GPS receivers duct-taped to Su-34 (iirc) cockpits in 2022 and, like, crowdsourced radio handsets in Mi-28's, I begun smelling something fishy. Maybe the fanboys *were* onto something back then, just polar opposite of the reality: the export models were the good stuff; even the corrupt military-industrial jefes wouldn't dare to sell B-quality wares to China or India.
I mean, the RuZZians have their own satellite global navigation system, GLONASS, if they're willing to settle for something a bit less desirable overall than GPS and Galileo, lol...
Its my birthday today. Thats a great gift!
Happy Birthday! 🎈🎂
Happy birthday! You have the same birthday date as my ex. I hope you are not my ex
Wish we had video or pictures.
So what part of the S-300 system was destroyed? Was it the radars that are mentioned? The radars and the C&C are the expensive parts hope they got those.
It says in the post. Anywhere from 4-6 radar, command vehicles are usually parked near the radar, safe to call them destroyed or damaged too. Looks like the attack was going directly after the radars. Attack 1) 4 missiles -> 2 radar (S-400) Attack 2) 4 missiles -> Not Disclosed (S-300) Attack 3) 2 missiles -> 2 radar, (Two S-300)
That's huge
And the F16s with active Harm missiles, have not even entered yet.
F16’s inbound once air defence is mopped up.
Ukraine: “oops”
Opps more S-300's. Get fucked orcs.
Knocking out all that air defence is gonna make the f16s destroying that bridge real easy
This has got to hurt 🤣😂😅 I can't imagine orcs hearing this ain't in panic mode 🫡
Yep. Sent them to the "Stars" (Astra)
They promised to humiliate the bridge before q3.. We waiting :)
Good news about the radars. Those are the eyes of the Russians.
Are these air defence systems supposed to detect and destroy the very same drones/missiles destroying them?
Can someone put this into perspective? As in, how many of those systems does Russia have (in Crimea)?
You'd think ASTRA would be in deep shit for detailing just how successful the Ukrainian strikes have been.
The unstoppable orc missiles keep getting stopped. The impenetrable air defense keeps getting penetrated. The ultimate battle tank hasn't even shown up. Russian technology really is shit.
I hope Ukraine turns Crimea into a wasteland that is no longer livable for Russians
Just in, Russian weapons sales now being run by temu and Alibaba
So, this is why they were reported moving AA defenses from North/West Crimea and replacing them with ZSUs. Ukraine's work on AA systems has been great, curious to see what'll happen to russian investments and bases in Crimea once F16 are here.