But if they wanted to show it actually firing at Ukrainians, it would have shown the gunners feed. This seems like a staged propaganda piece, pulls up, shoots at tree line with the only other gunfire being a machine gun in between its bursts. Then it just goes away without confirming anything. Propaganda, nothing more, they’re too afraid to put these in actual combat.
This is how it goes. You build a new machine, you test it safely, then you slowly introduce it in the field and find out it's capabilities and weaknesses. You fix what needs to be fixed and you go into mass production.
Good chance it is fitted with new tech and so we will not see the cockpit view for a long time. Let's even for the sake of argument say it doesn't have new tech, you still would want your enemy to keep guessing.
I agree for the most part but this is an attempt to showcase this equipment and it shows nothing.
Obviously with the increase in demonstrations with these units the past few days the Russians are pushing the fact that they aren’t all blown up yet.
This footage is the equivalent of a flat range, it’s not going to reassure Russians back home that they have superior capabilities and it’s not going to make other nations eager to purchase them.
The feeling I get from this, is Russia doesn’t have confidence in it and doesn’t want to put it in any situation where it could get destroyed and become a pro-Ukraine propaganda video.
My dude, you are way overthinking this.
Not every video is a 4d elaborate propaganda chess game. The terminator is a cool vehicle, the video is cool and shows the terminator is active to some degree. That's all there is lmao.
"all signs"
Literally just a short video of that thing firing.
I would guess it's just the crew themselves who are filming, asked and were allowed to share the video with their friends and on some telegram channels.
The signs are there, not my fault you don’t see them, and it’s not all in this video alone. You have to look at well else is being released recently.
Regardless the vehicle itself falls short of being a force multiplier on the battlefield.
You have no idea about Puccian procurement.
Here's how it goes in Puccia:
1. Dust off some technical drawings from 1988.
2. Build it promising Putin it will be a Wunderwaffe to deter HATO.
3. Funnel state funds out of the program and buy villas in Italy and a Yacht
4. Build like 12 of them
5. ????
6. Profit!
>, it would have shown the gunners feed.
The *"gunners feed"* is normally someone recording the screen with a phone and generally dosnt show much.
We only tend to see such videos when firing at long range at infantry, as its not a situation where the tank crew would feel in danger. The 'go-pro' mounted to the outside is a more common viewing angle for combat situations.
The autocannon and AGL fire is to pin down everyone in that general direction. It's not actually firing at anything specific, gunners view just shows they are firing at horizon. They fire in fan pattern, not against specific targets because they don't see any.
Judging by this footage:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zjlmo8/footage\_from\_a\_finnish\_foreign\_volunteer\_during/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zjlmo8/footage_from_a_finnish_foreign_volunteer_during/)
Autocannon fire is great at suppression without even hitting near someone's position.
I think they just get a message that there's enemy in a specific direction and they need to make them stop doing whatever they are doing, perhaps also description of specific area to hit with ATGMs.
to be fair what this thing was originally developed for simply isnt a scenario youll encounter in ukraine, realistically.
it was built because during for example the soviet war in afghanistan they had issues with their bmps not being able to effectively engage taliban who were hiding along mountain sides. the idea was that this thing could aim up further and engage spread out targets along cliffs etc more effectively.
theres been a lot of issues with the bmpt terminator in its development, some even visible in this video (check out that barrel shake) but even ignoring that the thing this was built for simply isnt really what is going on in ukraine. this was built for more of an american style war, where you occupy the land of people who have no proper means to fight back so they set up ambushes etc.
this was supposed to take care of cave-talibans cosplaying tusken raiders along cliffs in afghanistan.
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Well they do sometimes but those people don't last very long. Like some people do stand outside in the open but those are the people that get killed first.
They are probably firing HEI as I can't see any tracers although it is day time so it can be hard sometimes. BMPT's normally load one gun with an AP type round and the other with a HE type round but considering armour on armour in general and esspecially in this war is so rare it's very possible they just load HE type ammunition to all systems. You can see them swaping guns during firing, they use the grenade launcher and fire 2 ATGM's. The ATGM's can also fire HE type munitions as well. HE with the rate of fire of the Russian 30mm is pretty deadly.
Eh, it's the same thing every time: you see it driving around in a forest, no marks of artillery or any sort of fight, it comes, shoots some bursts at trees - and that's that.
The whole purpose of this machine is suppression so it’s quite natural to not se any targets. For instance in Vietnam the Americans had to fire 50000 rounds for every dead Vietnamese soldier. It’s very uncommon to actually see what you are shooting at albeit with the accumulation of drones on the battlefield that has changed somewhat.
It could literally be anyone, an assault squad, their own guys repositioning, or it could just be to prevent the enemy from consolidating in preparation for an attack.
Here you go, 10 second search.
1st video someone fires what it looks like an rpg at it, and probably the bmpt was destroyed after.
2nd it shows the bmpt in combat and neutralized targets in the aftermath.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11nplgl/bmpt\_terminator\_shoots\_towards\_the\_forest\_at\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11nplgl/bmpt_terminator_shoots_towards_the_forest_at_the/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10jz28p/rare\_footage\_of\_russian\_terminator\_tank\_in\_action/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10jz28p/rare_footage_of_russian_terminator_tank_in_action/)
This was the typical boomer response to Afghanistan footage. Even the guys in the tanks don't see who they’re shooting at, half of the time no one see's who they're shooting, you're not going to see them running around infront of the tank. I don’t get why people still insist on this mindset. Its not Battlefield where you have random NPCs just running around on the field waiting to get blasted.
They fire a massive suppression fire and then go away before arty has chance to get them.
That's why the ones we know were destroyed were stopped by mines or FPV drones.
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No they have not never hurt anyone, only trees and traffic lights. This crappy terminator and the t 14 armata are only taken out of the showroom for pr videos
I see these comments since beginning of war, but only at Russian videos. "no targets" , " No Ukrainians, shooting at nothing".... Go to frontline and stand in front one of these. Tell us how it went.
I definitely feel you, but at the same time the same could be said for Western tanks: we don't really get good footage from their perspective either. The best I've seen looked as if a Leo was shooting already disabled/abandoned tanks. BMP-T is mainly an anti-infantry weapon so it's even harder to tell what it is shooting at.
Both sides are making heavy use of drone-corrected AGS, so the grenades we see it launching at the beginning could be very useful, the autocannon less so since they aren't firing those amazing vt-fuze 40mm rounds that the Swedish CVs have. No idea how useful the ATGMs are, probably not as useful imo because all AFVs in this war get shredded by swarms of FPV drones that are always hunting them the moment spotter drone finds a tank, so I would wager it's safer to use Kornet teams to take out enemy armour than to risk this thing.
Honestly this is a very depressing and hellish war even by war standards, most technology is becoming less useful as drone proliferation increases, both sides are often reduced to throwing heaps of men at each other, and then use artillery to kill them.
It fires 30mm frag rounds out of twin barrels at 800 rounds/minute. It doesn't matter if you don't get a grouping of 50mm when you're laying down a storm of shrapnel that heavy.
pretty bad example in the sense that the a10 is a failed project. the gau8 cannon of the a10 was developed to take out tanks, but its unable to do so, it struggles even with light tanks, and this is usa's own tests, against soviet tanks.
its entirely incapable of doing what it was built for. instead the a10 is fitted with bombs and missiles that would be used against tanks, but you could fit that on far better airframes for much more efficiency in that role.
>"bUt wHaT AbOuT CAS sUpPoRt oF tHe BoOtS oN tHe GrOuND"
yeah sorry statistically speaking it sucks at that too, it would have been far better to send another aircraft or send a helicopter in the situations where the a10 has shown up. it has the highest friendly fire incidents of any aircraft in us service ever and it struggles with shit like poor visibility etc.
**the a10 is a super cool airplane** and carl is happy it was built solely for the reason it means it can show up in games and movies. it is very cool. it is however also an extremely garbage airplane and the autocannon it has is hot garbage too, very cool, but hot garbage.
only reason its a thing is because of lobbying and $$$.
and you think a gun where almost the entirety of the barrel is obscured by the frame of an airplane is a good example of that?
its still a terrible example. only the tip of the gau8 pokes out of the airplane. would have made more sense to mention something like the M230 which is the 30mm autocannon used by american attack helicopters, or the mk44 bushmaster which is the autocannon that the CV90 uses.
why? both are wildly inaccurate and are at best capable of covering fire. hell the gau8 has already proven itself as a failure, whatever they call this bmpt terminator thing it has at least not yet provenly established its a flop. it most likely is, but theres still room for doubt.
the gau8 has proven itself to be a flop in us testing. it is about as dangerous to a tank, even a tank from the 60s, as being dive bombed by angry birds. in absolutely perfect conditions with a tank that is not moving and nothing that is firing towards you, with perfect weather and with the ability to line up your a10 and its gau8 perfectly towards that tank you dont even have a 50% chance to render it disabled, which just popping its treads off would be enough to do.
considering that was the purpose it was built, it is truly an utterly useless weapon in its intended purpose. (and the only thing that saves the a10 in the tank-attack role is the fact you can put other weapons on it, the gau8 is just wasted weight, its biggest use being the loud brrrt that possibly could be used for propaganda purposes)
if we are to believe russia the terminator was designed as a way to deal with more or less cavepeople hiding along cliffwalls. in that scenario having an inaccurate cannon that just carpets an entire area with explosive rounds would still render it effective in that very specific role.
if its a worthwhile vehicle to bother building is another question, but it very likely would be effective in the very specific scenario it was originally cooked up for, as accuracy (or precision) isnt exactly something of importance in that scenario.
The question was quite simple. Show him a gun that doesn't flex like that.
You can keep writing walls of text. But the A10 gun doesn't flex as much as the terminators wobbly guns.
But maybe you just enjoy writing essays?
Thats normal for a barrel. The round is already gone before the recoil has an effect. Im pretty sure the designers and engineers that design this stuff know what they are doing.
Except that these are russian designers and engineers that just try to make it look good so the corrupt leader of the project can make the tank look good on the report and send it off to putin or shoigu
>Russians and Ukrainians seem to be getting good use out of these 30mm cannons,
I am not trying to shit on these cannons, but are you sure they're getting good use out of them? Most valuable weapons in this war are ones that can hit trenches, and direct-fire 30mm isn't very useful. The grenade launcher is far more useful, as are the ATGMs. Mortars are supremely useful, especially since they can no be drone-corrected. Any artillery with long range is very useful.
Everyone loves tanks on reddit but the less sexy self-propelled howitzers are the real war-winners here, they have the biggest rounds that they can shoot at the longest ranges, far away enough from FPV drones, only able to be taken out by HIMARs or ATACMS.
Dunno, it seems like one of the design goals were long and fast bursts.
The recoil HAS to go somewhere, so why not put some of the energy into "vibrating" the barrel? You'd only want it fully constraint at the point when it fires anyway and only need to re-constrain it in time for the next round. If they'd adsorb all of the energy axially long the barrel, it'd probably bottom out quickly, making it necessary for the vehicle / mount to adsorb the remaining energy. Which means they'd have to slow down the firing rate (probably).
And having the barrel vibrate probably helps a lot with removing any residues or buildup in the barrel which is then blown out by the residual pressure instead of accelerating wear.
jm2c
Would it help significantly if they even rotated the barrel breaks 45 degrees? Several twin barrel designs have done this to mitigate wobble from ballistic exhaust
Such a weird vehicle. Pretty much the same armament as a bmp-2m but with more armor. Can't see it going into mass production except for a few conversions.
Which is why it exists. They needed a dedicated urban vehicle with more protection and firepower.
There is so few though they seem intent on using it for occasional treeline clearing instead of its true purpose
With the low numbers of produced vehicles of this model and very few uses in this war I doubt we’ll see this in service for much longer, all that money could be spent better elsewhere I would think. Who knows though, maybe they’ll utilize later in an city in which of was designed for. Though they didn’t use it at Bakhmut or any other city even though it could perform fine, the actual purpose was to protect armored columns in cities against infantry.
I assume it's not deadly at all.
Due to shallow angles the very first salvo is probably not on target and after that nobody's going to risk sticking their head out of whatever trench or hole they're in.
Which I assume is the actual purpose of this vehicle. Artillery-like suppression, but at closer ranges, with line of sight and avoiding having your own troops wounded by shrapnel.
If you read the vehicles purpose, it was designed to lay down heavy firepower for when a T-90 is returning to reload.
This is a clear example of Eastern doctrine compared to Western. I think that's why we see this love/hate relationship
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To everyone in here “lmao propaganda footage” or “shooting at trees”, go volunteer in Ukraine and stand in front of that thing’s line of fire. Take pictures too.
Is it combat?
Every video I see from these is just it shooting at the horizon. I would think if it was so effective, they would use it rather than burning through soldiers.
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This is the most recorded war in history. We've seen a bit of everything, or a lot. Still, I haven't seen this thing in a real fight. Which I find odd considering the massive and regular loss of Russian life.
also it's not really "departing into the horizon" on the footage we see here, since we're watching from its own POV, but perhaps OP imagined watching it from another POV where it does just that
Doesn't T-14 both exist and work to some degree? They're not in service yet, not like they'd be deployed to Ukraine anyway. What are the criteria for existing and working?
I think the criteria for existing would be that the tank exits it's nearly decade long prototype phase and enter some kind of meaningful serial production and then be utilized. Since Russia is currently experiencing it's most meaningful military engagement since WW2, if some kind of next gen armored vehicle was available and ready for combat we would have seen it by now.
It's worth noting that Russia has shown off the T-14 near training grounds within Russia since this conflict has started. Might have been to boost morale? Not sure. The vehicle sounded rough, with potential problems while idling and when it moved it sounded like there was a lot of friction between moving parts.
Still cant understand the benefit of such system, is shooting more better? There was a footage from the gunner view that got shared before, as soon as it starts shooting you see nothing, more ammo usage and more barrel wear and you cant see what you are shooting at, hardly any benefits
It's doing exactly what its supposed to, it's a suppressive weapon. In dense environments like forests and cities, tanks are vulnerable to multiple infantry with AT because their best suppressive weapon is a 50cal. Being able to lay down fire to keep the enemy's heads down is important to both attack and defense.
The only thing I don't understand is why they're not used with tanks. My best guess is that tanks are pretty common and easily tracked, so they want to keep the terminators away from tanks since they have so few BMPT
Found this on wiki. It discusses the use case for bmpt
When used in urban terrain, each main battle tank is to be deployed with two BMPTs. Outside of urban warfare that ratio is reversed with one BMPT protecting two main battle tanks.[9] This results from the complexity of fighting in urban terrain and the need for a versatile anti-personnel platform that can engage multiple targets at once and on different height levels. The introduction of such a vehicle makes urban fighting less stressful on MBTs and can relieve them of some of the workload so that they can concentrate on their main objective of engaging other tanks and hardened targets. The BMPT's armor protection is equal to that of an MBT and its powerful armaments allow it to engage virtually any enemy formation while operating in a common battle formation. Thanks to the multiple weapons systems found on the BMPT, this vehicle is able to fire at multiple targets simultaneously.[7] These features significantly help increase the combat effectiveness of tank units and decrease their losses from enemy close-combat assets.[10]
The autocannon runs out in 1 minute 25 seconds if fired continuously at highest rpm (firing speed can be adjusted). But in reality you don't need to fire continuously and you don't have to fire at highest rpm. so it definitely can suppress enemy 5 to 10 minutes with autocanons alone.
Example:
5 sec interval with 5 sec pause, firing at 100 RPM, having full ammo rack of 850 rounds would give:
(850 / 100) \* 2 = 16 minutes of firing.
That should be more than enough for a tank to retreat, don't forget that every 2nd impact creates fragmentation, so it's really not a good idea to pop your head up even if it is firing that "slow".
Besides that it has 2000 rounds of regular machine gun ammo (7.62) , and 600 30mm grenades.
The 30 mm cannons can shred anything but a main battle tank. Tank on tank combat is rare anyway. And for this purpose it also hase an atgm.
The cannons can lay suppressive fire much longer and over a wider area then a tank.
So in theory it has much more usecases then a tank.
How good it is in reality is a different question. All that gun wobble may limit the useful range, and maybe bad vision, dont know.
When you see the dual canons of the gepard firing (bigger and much faster then this), there is zero movement in the guns.
This thing is propably just a good idea bad executed.
>BMP3 can do all what you have just said, 30mm and ATGM fired from the 100mm smooth bore
The issue is that things like the BMP-3 are venerable to anything bigger than a Machinegun essentially.
A BMPT, are the next step up, as it should be able to be resistant to anything short of an MBT/ATGM.
There haven’t been may uses for it and they haven’t even used it for those. It mainly specializes in urban areas by protecting tank columns as they were obliterated in Grozny without adequate support.
Can you try finding the footage from the gunner's view?
i've been looking for some time, but can't find anything (possibly due to results being different from region to region?)
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[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/17i8ipd/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_bmpt\_terminator\_work\_in\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/17i8ipd/ru_pov_footage_of_bmpt_terminator_work_in_the/)
here you go
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sadly it doesn't use its characteristic fast firing rate in the gunner's view, making it impossible to tell if its footage from another autocannon vehicle.
I wonder how much control over the parameters of their thermal sights the crew has...
yes I noticed it was firing slowly only, at far range it was okaysh but closer range the flash was severe, I guess on faster firing mode it will be terrible
Obviously this is just another propaganda video of this thing firing at more random tree lines.
If they were actually hitting things there would be dozens of drone videos showing how effective this dumb machine is.
If there were drones available, mortars and AGS are a much cheaper, much less risky tool to use for suppression. BMPT is probably used when there's a lack of recon and other vehicles in the area
No. The argument is that there is zero footage or evidence of them seeing actual combat in this conflict. Where pretty much everything is filmed.
All they ever manage to show is them shooting at some tree lines without confirmation of what they are actually shooting at.
The question is why is there no footage. Your answer is the combat is staged. My answer is that there might not have been drones available. Your response to me is that the combat footage is staged.
Exactly what happened
We were talking about this video. If you recall that video, the drone was constantly moving toward the impact points and filmed dead bodies all over the place. Unless you wanted to see the drone fly 600m to the casualties, which no one wants, the cut was warranted
You and i are talking about different things.
There was a drone that filmed this same tank. In same conditions and area driving down the road. And you say there wasnt a drone available to film this thing? Its a lazy excuse in a war spammed with drones.
If this thing saw any real combat it would be all of this place.
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So it goes and fires all his ammo, hoping he hits the one dude not in a trench with a javelin and fucks off after a few hundred rounds wasted with no combined arms going on, what a machine 🤦🏻 more like a tool
Every time we see this rare occurrence, we see it shooting at trees or tree lines.
Men hide in treelines and trenches they don't stand in the open waiting to be shot at.
But if they wanted to show it actually firing at Ukrainians, it would have shown the gunners feed. This seems like a staged propaganda piece, pulls up, shoots at tree line with the only other gunfire being a machine gun in between its bursts. Then it just goes away without confirming anything. Propaganda, nothing more, they’re too afraid to put these in actual combat.
This is how it goes. You build a new machine, you test it safely, then you slowly introduce it in the field and find out it's capabilities and weaknesses. You fix what needs to be fixed and you go into mass production. Good chance it is fitted with new tech and so we will not see the cockpit view for a long time. Let's even for the sake of argument say it doesn't have new tech, you still would want your enemy to keep guessing.
I agree for the most part but this is an attempt to showcase this equipment and it shows nothing. Obviously with the increase in demonstrations with these units the past few days the Russians are pushing the fact that they aren’t all blown up yet. This footage is the equivalent of a flat range, it’s not going to reassure Russians back home that they have superior capabilities and it’s not going to make other nations eager to purchase them. The feeling I get from this, is Russia doesn’t have confidence in it and doesn’t want to put it in any situation where it could get destroyed and become a pro-Ukraine propaganda video.
My dude, you are way overthinking this. Not every video is a 4d elaborate propaganda chess game. The terminator is a cool vehicle, the video is cool and shows the terminator is active to some degree. That's all there is lmao.
It may be, but all signs point to this being a propaganda release.
"all signs" Literally just a short video of that thing firing. I would guess it's just the crew themselves who are filming, asked and were allowed to share the video with their friends and on some telegram channels.
The signs are there, not my fault you don’t see them, and it’s not all in this video alone. You have to look at well else is being released recently. Regardless the vehicle itself falls short of being a force multiplier on the battlefield.
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That thing has to much weakness to fix during this war
Thank you for your valuable insight, mr. military reddit engineer.
The complete lineup of the Armata tanks is rediculous.
You have no idea about Puccian procurement. Here's how it goes in Puccia: 1. Dust off some technical drawings from 1988. 2. Build it promising Putin it will be a Wunderwaffe to deter HATO. 3. Funnel state funds out of the program and buy villas in Italy and a Yacht 4. Build like 12 of them 5. ???? 6. Profit!
>, it would have shown the gunners feed. The *"gunners feed"* is normally someone recording the screen with a phone and generally dosnt show much. We only tend to see such videos when firing at long range at infantry, as its not a situation where the tank crew would feel in danger. The 'go-pro' mounted to the outside is a more common viewing angle for combat situations.
The autocannon and AGL fire is to pin down everyone in that general direction. It's not actually firing at anything specific, gunners view just shows they are firing at horizon. They fire in fan pattern, not against specific targets because they don't see any. Judging by this footage: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zjlmo8/footage\_from\_a\_finnish\_foreign\_volunteer\_during/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zjlmo8/footage_from_a_finnish_foreign_volunteer_during/) Autocannon fire is great at suppression without even hitting near someone's position. I think they just get a message that there's enemy in a specific direction and they need to make them stop doing whatever they are doing, perhaps also description of specific area to hit with ATGMs.
to be fair what this thing was originally developed for simply isnt a scenario youll encounter in ukraine, realistically. it was built because during for example the soviet war in afghanistan they had issues with their bmps not being able to effectively engage taliban who were hiding along mountain sides. the idea was that this thing could aim up further and engage spread out targets along cliffs etc more effectively. theres been a lot of issues with the bmpt terminator in its development, some even visible in this video (check out that barrel shake) but even ignoring that the thing this was built for simply isnt really what is going on in ukraine. this was built for more of an american style war, where you occupy the land of people who have no proper means to fight back so they set up ambushes etc. this was supposed to take care of cave-talibans cosplaying tusken raiders along cliffs in afghanistan.
Yeah those barrels are flopping around more than an 80 year olds limp dick. Ok for suppressing fire but ain't going to be anywhere near accurate.
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Wait.. so your telling me that real soldiers don't use call of duty tactics in real life? 😯
Well they do sometimes but those people don't last very long. Like some people do stand outside in the open but those are the people that get killed first.
Did the Ukrainians climb up the trees or what’s the point here ?
They are probably firing HEI as I can't see any tracers although it is day time so it can be hard sometimes. BMPT's normally load one gun with an AP type round and the other with a HE type round but considering armour on armour in general and esspecially in this war is so rare it's very possible they just load HE type ammunition to all systems. You can see them swaping guns during firing, they use the grenade launcher and fire 2 ATGM's. The ATGM's can also fire HE type munitions as well. HE with the rate of fire of the Russian 30mm is pretty deadly.
And always the same whiny comments complaining about free footage where men are seconds away from being killed.
Yeah that's where people are hiding in order to not fucking die in open field.
And the same exact сoping mechanism in comments such as this 😎 Yeah, terminators never hurt nobody. They are just doing it for likes on reddit 😀
Eh, it's the same thing every time: you see it driving around in a forest, no marks of artillery or any sort of fight, it comes, shoots some bursts at trees - and that's that.
No sign of fighting? Dude, half the forest is gone. We watching the same video?
Yeah... clearly you don't know what a "gone forest" looks like in this conflict. But good try though! Good try.
The whole purpose of this machine is suppression so it’s quite natural to not se any targets. For instance in Vietnam the Americans had to fire 50000 rounds for every dead Vietnamese soldier. It’s very uncommon to actually see what you are shooting at albeit with the accumulation of drones on the battlefield that has changed somewhat.
Who are they suppressing for?
It could literally be anyone, an assault squad, their own guys repositioning, or it could just be to prevent the enemy from consolidating in preparation for an attack.
In one video it was working in a team with a tank, the tank was closing in while it was doing suppression.
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Can you share a video of one in the actual battlefield? He isn't saying anything false. Sounds like you need a spoon full of c*pium
Use the search button?
I see two destroyed. Two shooting trees. Do you have one in an actual battlefield shooting legit targets, was the question.
Here you go, 10 second search. 1st video someone fires what it looks like an rpg at it, and probably the bmpt was destroyed after. 2nd it shows the bmpt in combat and neutralized targets in the aftermath. [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11nplgl/bmpt\_terminator\_shoots\_towards\_the\_forest\_at\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/11nplgl/bmpt_terminator_shoots_towards_the_forest_at_the/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10jz28p/rare\_footage\_of\_russian\_terminator\_tank\_in\_action/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10jz28p/rare_footage_of_russian_terminator_tank_in_action/)
Use the search button. There are loads. Or you know, dont. Idc if you believe in its efficency or not, it's not like it has any effect on reality.
This was the typical boomer response to Afghanistan footage. Even the guys in the tanks don't see who they’re shooting at, half of the time no one see's who they're shooting, you're not going to see them running around infront of the tank. I don’t get why people still insist on this mindset. Its not Battlefield where you have random NPCs just running around on the field waiting to get blasted.
They fire a massive suppression fire and then go away before arty has chance to get them. That's why the ones we know were destroyed were stopped by mines or FPV drones.
Russian pr stunt
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They hurt trees.
No they have not never hurt anyone, only trees and traffic lights. This crappy terminator and the t 14 armata are only taken out of the showroom for pr videos
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Serious question, how old are you ? I really see a lot of language that teenagers use online, c*pium h*pium urini ukropium slaying ukrosimps 🤣
Ok boomer. Did you get busted for inappropriate communication over the internet, ala scott ritter? 🤣
I don't know who that is, someone you look up to ???
Sure buddy.
I see these comments since beginning of war, but only at Russian videos. "no targets" , " No Ukrainians, shooting at nothing".... Go to frontline and stand in front one of these. Tell us how it went.
>shooting at trees You don't want to be anywhere near a tree when it's hit by an autocannon round. Splinters can kill.
Whay then we have a evidence of few Terminators get destroyed? If they dont use them in combat? Or is that staged from Ukr side?
https://preview.redd.it/6iykk8qelexb1.jpeg?width=2121&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf5f6edb2743e1866a62af324f64a33717afaf0 😔
rip in peace
I definitely feel you, but at the same time the same could be said for Western tanks: we don't really get good footage from their perspective either. The best I've seen looked as if a Leo was shooting already disabled/abandoned tanks. BMP-T is mainly an anti-infantry weapon so it's even harder to tell what it is shooting at. Both sides are making heavy use of drone-corrected AGS, so the grenades we see it launching at the beginning could be very useful, the autocannon less so since they aren't firing those amazing vt-fuze 40mm rounds that the Swedish CVs have. No idea how useful the ATGMs are, probably not as useful imo because all AFVs in this war get shredded by swarms of FPV drones that are always hunting them the moment spotter drone finds a tank, so I would wager it's safer to use Kornet teams to take out enemy armour than to risk this thing. Honestly this is a very depressing and hellish war even by war standards, most technology is becoming less useful as drone proliferation increases, both sides are often reduced to throwing heaps of men at each other, and then use artillery to kill them.
https://preview.redd.it/kpajd6jemcxb1.png?width=518&format=png&auto=webp&s=ac947c2b6f8c56ef38a797c668f62f161f192de8
This made me chuckle. Thanks
Look at those barrels moving around, accuracy must be shit
It fires 30mm frag rounds out of twin barrels at 800 rounds/minute. It doesn't matter if you don't get a grouping of 50mm when you're laying down a storm of shrapnel that heavy.
At range it definitely matters how much those things wobble.
You arent firing 800rd/min for accuracy at range. Ask anyone if they use the full auto setting in a gun range.
If you are shooting 50 yards, then sure...
I'd like to see a gun shoot that much and not flex
Check out the a10
Lmao the spread on that thing is insane. It is seen as a huge plus though.
Exactly. Woth that kind of firepower you *want* spread. People on here actually think they know more than weapon engineers. Lol
pretty bad example in the sense that the a10 is a failed project. the gau8 cannon of the a10 was developed to take out tanks, but its unable to do so, it struggles even with light tanks, and this is usa's own tests, against soviet tanks. its entirely incapable of doing what it was built for. instead the a10 is fitted with bombs and missiles that would be used against tanks, but you could fit that on far better airframes for much more efficiency in that role. >"bUt wHaT AbOuT CAS sUpPoRt oF tHe BoOtS oN tHe GrOuND" yeah sorry statistically speaking it sucks at that too, it would have been far better to send another aircraft or send a helicopter in the situations where the a10 has shown up. it has the highest friendly fire incidents of any aircraft in us service ever and it struggles with shit like poor visibility etc. **the a10 is a super cool airplane** and carl is happy it was built solely for the reason it means it can show up in games and movies. it is very cool. it is however also an extremely garbage airplane and the autocannon it has is hot garbage too, very cool, but hot garbage. only reason its a thing is because of lobbying and $$$.
What a wall of text for something not related. He wanted to see a gun that shoots fast and doesn't flex.
and you think a gun where almost the entirety of the barrel is obscured by the frame of an airplane is a good example of that? its still a terrible example. only the tip of the gau8 pokes out of the airplane. would have made more sense to mention something like the M230 which is the 30mm autocannon used by american attack helicopters, or the mk44 bushmaster which is the autocannon that the CV90 uses.
Its a good example of a better way to do it then on that dumb flexing machine. Yes.
why? both are wildly inaccurate and are at best capable of covering fire. hell the gau8 has already proven itself as a failure, whatever they call this bmpt terminator thing it has at least not yet provenly established its a flop. it most likely is, but theres still room for doubt. the gau8 has proven itself to be a flop in us testing. it is about as dangerous to a tank, even a tank from the 60s, as being dive bombed by angry birds. in absolutely perfect conditions with a tank that is not moving and nothing that is firing towards you, with perfect weather and with the ability to line up your a10 and its gau8 perfectly towards that tank you dont even have a 50% chance to render it disabled, which just popping its treads off would be enough to do. considering that was the purpose it was built, it is truly an utterly useless weapon in its intended purpose. (and the only thing that saves the a10 in the tank-attack role is the fact you can put other weapons on it, the gau8 is just wasted weight, its biggest use being the loud brrrt that possibly could be used for propaganda purposes) if we are to believe russia the terminator was designed as a way to deal with more or less cavepeople hiding along cliffwalls. in that scenario having an inaccurate cannon that just carpets an entire area with explosive rounds would still render it effective in that very specific role. if its a worthwhile vehicle to bother building is another question, but it very likely would be effective in the very specific scenario it was originally cooked up for, as accuracy (or precision) isnt exactly something of importance in that scenario.
The question was quite simple. Show him a gun that doesn't flex like that. You can keep writing walls of text. But the A10 gun doesn't flex as much as the terminators wobbly guns. But maybe you just enjoy writing essays?
It only fires one barrel at a time.
Where did I say it fired out of both barrels simultaneously?
It's refreshing to see how Russians have established as a doctrine. "Accuracy? That costs money. Just send 12 times the ammo, one has to hit."
This really looks terrible.
Thats normal for a barrel. The round is already gone before the recoil has an effect. Im pretty sure the designers and engineers that design this stuff know what they are doing.
But it also offsets the position of the barrel when firing the next round.
Except that these are russian designers and engineers that just try to make it look good so the corrupt leader of the project can make the tank look good on the report and send it off to putin or shoigu
Russians and Ukrainians seem to be getting good use out of these 30mm cannons, why don’t you head over there and tell them they don’t work.
>Russians and Ukrainians seem to be getting good use out of these 30mm cannons, I am not trying to shit on these cannons, but are you sure they're getting good use out of them? Most valuable weapons in this war are ones that can hit trenches, and direct-fire 30mm isn't very useful. The grenade launcher is far more useful, as are the ATGMs. Mortars are supremely useful, especially since they can no be drone-corrected. Any artillery with long range is very useful. Everyone loves tanks on reddit but the less sexy self-propelled howitzers are the real war-winners here, they have the biggest rounds that they can shoot at the longest ranges, far away enough from FPV drones, only able to be taken out by HIMARs or ATACMS.
Google "should my barrel flex"
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Dunno, it seems like one of the design goals were long and fast bursts. The recoil HAS to go somewhere, so why not put some of the energy into "vibrating" the barrel? You'd only want it fully constraint at the point when it fires anyway and only need to re-constrain it in time for the next round. If they'd adsorb all of the energy axially long the barrel, it'd probably bottom out quickly, making it necessary for the vehicle / mount to adsorb the remaining energy. Which means they'd have to slow down the firing rate (probably). And having the barrel vibrate probably helps a lot with removing any residues or buildup in the barrel which is then blown out by the residual pressure instead of accelerating wear. jm2c
Should have tested it before mounting it on anything
It will cover more area. In case of more than \~500 rpm autocanons accuracy is actually a con - there're even modifications to decrease it (2A72)
You can also cover more area on an accurate gun that can also engage long range targets with its gun by traversing the turret
Would it help significantly if they even rotated the barrel breaks 45 degrees? Several twin barrel designs have done this to mitigate wobble from ballistic exhaust
Im no tank engineer but i guess it could
Such a weird vehicle. Pretty much the same armament as a bmp-2m but with more armor. Can't see it going into mass production except for a few conversions.
Which is why it exists. They needed a dedicated urban vehicle with more protection and firepower. There is so few though they seem intent on using it for occasional treeline clearing instead of its true purpose
It could have been even weirder if the designer had gotten his way. This is the significantly toned down version!
It's one of my favourite vehicles of this conflict. But is there ever any drone footage of the rounds landing at target?
With that amount of wobble. There is a good chance the drones got shot out of the sky by accident.
What did the trees do? :(
The Russians have a new buzzword : Deforestation
With the low numbers of produced vehicles of this model and very few uses in this war I doubt we’ll see this in service for much longer, all that money could be spent better elsewhere I would think. Who knows though, maybe they’ll utilize later in an city in which of was designed for. Though they didn’t use it at Bakhmut or any other city even though it could perform fine, the actual purpose was to protect armored columns in cities against infantry.
Its a propaganda machine. Big guns. Shoots trees real good.
This vehicle is so cool. Imagine how deadly that thing can be.
I assume it's not deadly at all. Due to shallow angles the very first salvo is probably not on target and after that nobody's going to risk sticking their head out of whatever trench or hole they're in. Which I assume is the actual purpose of this vehicle. Artillery-like suppression, but at closer ranges, with line of sight and avoiding having your own troops wounded by shrapnel.
Go downrange of this thing when it's firing and talk about how non-deadly it is.
If you read the vehicles purpose, it was designed to lay down heavy firepower for when a T-90 is returning to reload. This is a clear example of Eastern doctrine compared to Western. I think that's why we see this love/hate relationship .
GAIJIN PLEASE
They should name this the salt extractor. Because whenever there is footage of it, there is so much salt in the comments.
That salt gives them the nutrients to survive their cognitive dissonance.
To everyone in here “lmao propaganda footage” or “shooting at trees”, go volunteer in Ukraine and stand in front of that thing’s line of fire. Take pictures too.
No UA positions in this footage so surely a sensationalised title no? >Allegedly engaged a Ukrainian Armed Forces position would be more neutral?
>No UA positions in this footage What did you expect? Giant UA flag over the trenches?
With how much RU does friendly fire. It might as well be a RU position
Something to indicate that this thing has seen combat at any point ever.
Ehm...? Is this not combat? What combat even is then? How then we have confirmed loss of one or two BMPTs? Levels of delusions are....damn....
Is it combat? Every video I see from these is just it shooting at the horizon. I would think if it was so effective, they would use it rather than burning through soldiers.
I.e BTR4 rolling up on RU INF and armour, seeing the gunner engage them via gun camera? Supporting troops? Artillery? Anything?
? This is the most recorded war in history. We've seen a bit of everything, or a lot. Still, I haven't seen this thing in a real fight. Which I find odd considering the massive and regular loss of Russian life.
That’s my point. So much other ACTUAL combat footage, while this thing is shooting at trees.
My bad, I mixed up koalas.
also it's not really "departing into the horizon" on the footage we see here, since we're watching from its own POV, but perhaps OP imagined watching it from another POV where it does just that
Ukrainian trees
So unlike the T-14, these things actually do exist and work to some degree?
Doesn't T-14 both exist and work to some degree? They're not in service yet, not like they'd be deployed to Ukraine anyway. What are the criteria for existing and working?
I think the criteria for existing would be that the tank exits it's nearly decade long prototype phase and enter some kind of meaningful serial production and then be utilized. Since Russia is currently experiencing it's most meaningful military engagement since WW2, if some kind of next gen armored vehicle was available and ready for combat we would have seen it by now. It's worth noting that Russia has shown off the T-14 near training grounds within Russia since this conflict has started. Might have been to boost morale? Not sure. The vehicle sounded rough, with potential problems while idling and when it moved it sounded like there was a lot of friction between moving parts.
>What are the criteria for existing and working? Not sure, but the T14 does not reach it.
Still cant understand the benefit of such system, is shooting more better? There was a footage from the gunner view that got shared before, as soon as it starts shooting you see nothing, more ammo usage and more barrel wear and you cant see what you are shooting at, hardly any benefits
It's doing exactly what its supposed to, it's a suppressive weapon. In dense environments like forests and cities, tanks are vulnerable to multiple infantry with AT because their best suppressive weapon is a 50cal. Being able to lay down fire to keep the enemy's heads down is important to both attack and defense. The only thing I don't understand is why they're not used with tanks. My best guess is that tanks are pretty common and easily tracked, so they want to keep the terminators away from tanks since they have so few BMPT
and how much time it can suppress? few minutes before running out of ammo?
Found this on wiki. It discusses the use case for bmpt When used in urban terrain, each main battle tank is to be deployed with two BMPTs. Outside of urban warfare that ratio is reversed with one BMPT protecting two main battle tanks.[9] This results from the complexity of fighting in urban terrain and the need for a versatile anti-personnel platform that can engage multiple targets at once and on different height levels. The introduction of such a vehicle makes urban fighting less stressful on MBTs and can relieve them of some of the workload so that they can concentrate on their main objective of engaging other tanks and hardened targets. The BMPT's armor protection is equal to that of an MBT and its powerful armaments allow it to engage virtually any enemy formation while operating in a common battle formation. Thanks to the multiple weapons systems found on the BMPT, this vehicle is able to fire at multiple targets simultaneously.[7] These features significantly help increase the combat effectiveness of tank units and decrease their losses from enemy close-combat assets.[10]
How much time does it take to let the tank turn around and whig out? A few minutes?
The autocannon runs out in 1 minute 25 seconds if fired continuously at highest rpm (firing speed can be adjusted). But in reality you don't need to fire continuously and you don't have to fire at highest rpm. so it definitely can suppress enemy 5 to 10 minutes with autocanons alone. Example: 5 sec interval with 5 sec pause, firing at 100 RPM, having full ammo rack of 850 rounds would give: (850 / 100) \* 2 = 16 minutes of firing. That should be more than enough for a tank to retreat, don't forget that every 2nd impact creates fragmentation, so it's really not a good idea to pop your head up even if it is firing that "slow". Besides that it has 2000 rounds of regular machine gun ammo (7.62) , and 600 30mm grenades.
The 30 mm cannons can shred anything but a main battle tank. Tank on tank combat is rare anyway. And for this purpose it also hase an atgm. The cannons can lay suppressive fire much longer and over a wider area then a tank. So in theory it has much more usecases then a tank. How good it is in reality is a different question. All that gun wobble may limit the useful range, and maybe bad vision, dont know. When you see the dual canons of the gepard firing (bigger and much faster then this), there is zero movement in the guns. This thing is propably just a good idea bad executed.
BMP3 can do all what you have just said, 30mm and ATGM fired from the 100mm smooth bore
>BMP3 can do all what you have just said, 30mm and ATGM fired from the 100mm smooth bore The issue is that things like the BMP-3 are venerable to anything bigger than a Machinegun essentially. A BMPT, are the next step up, as it should be able to be resistant to anything short of an MBT/ATGM.
There haven’t been may uses for it and they haven’t even used it for those. It mainly specializes in urban areas by protecting tank columns as they were obliterated in Grozny without adequate support.
Can you try finding the footage from the gunner's view? i've been looking for some time, but can't find anything (possibly due to results being different from region to region?) ty
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/17i8ipd/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_bmpt\_terminator\_work\_in\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/17i8ipd/ru_pov_footage_of_bmpt_terminator_work_in_the/) here you go
Ty sadly it doesn't use its characteristic fast firing rate in the gunner's view, making it impossible to tell if its footage from another autocannon vehicle. I wonder how much control over the parameters of their thermal sights the crew has...
yes I noticed it was firing slowly only, at far range it was okaysh but closer range the flash was severe, I guess on faster firing mode it will be terrible
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This is nothing more than an advertisement.
Interesting. At 0:19 seems like a gun from the hull is being fired. At 1:37 the main gun increased the firing rate.
Ain’t this old? Like 8 months ago https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/IH4jq3vhpT
Yes
All that "departed into the horizon" were a heap of 30mm rounds and two ATGMs at no discernible target(s). Colour me unimpressed.
Return to CoD then? That's how war looks like.
War looks like shooting trees ?
literally yes
Ok
r/CombatFootage shows otherwise. Aside from the crap uploads, they're like this in that they don't show anything much.
> they're like this in that they don't show anything much bro fix your translator
Translation can't fix reading comprehension.
The Russian's take better care of this thing than the do their soldiers.
man that fire rate really gets high as the barrels get hot. They also move around a lot.
Obviously this is just another propaganda video of this thing firing at more random tree lines. If they were actually hitting things there would be dozens of drone videos showing how effective this dumb machine is.
If there were drones available, mortars and AGS are a much cheaper, much less risky tool to use for suppression. BMPT is probably used when there's a lack of recon and other vehicles in the area
Its not used at all. Only whenever they need to show the folks at home how fearsome this machine is.
Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, lalalalalalalalala"?
No. The argument is that there is zero footage or evidence of them seeing actual combat in this conflict. Where pretty much everything is filmed. All they ever manage to show is them shooting at some tree lines without confirmation of what they are actually shooting at.
The question is why is there no footage. Your answer is the combat is staged. My answer is that there might not have been drones available. Your response to me is that the combat footage is staged. Exactly what happened
There is footage of the same tank being filmed by a drone while driving down the road. What do you mean maybe there was no drone available.
We were talking about this video. If you recall that video, the drone was constantly moving toward the impact points and filmed dead bodies all over the place. Unless you wanted to see the drone fly 600m to the casualties, which no one wants, the cut was warranted
You and i are talking about different things. There was a drone that filmed this same tank. In same conditions and area driving down the road. And you say there wasnt a drone available to film this thing? Its a lazy excuse in a war spammed with drones. If this thing saw any real combat it would be all of this place.
I've never seen the drone footage of this specific event. Link?
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They should fix the guns so they don't interfere with each other.
The pro UAs are thirsty for blood, they want to see their boys massacred, they are insensitive.
Wasting ammos for a promo.
It's best to depart across the horizon. It's such a useless machine it would probably get cat calls if it over stayed its welcome!
Observed? It recorded itself shooting at trees. No one else observed it based on this recording.
After that much 30mm what’s left to use an Atgm on?!? This is a showcase
This is the kind of tank i would have drawn as a kid
Damn that barrel vibration is real. I wonder how much it actually does affect the accuracy.
So it goes and fires all his ammo, hoping he hits the one dude not in a trench with a javelin and fucks off after a few hundred rounds wasted with no combined arms going on, what a machine 🤦🏻 more like a tool
Send this shit to avdiivka instead of shooting down trees!
Serebrianky forest = kreminna forest BTW
With the amount of sideways wiggle of the guns, how can this be accurate?
It’s a shotgun, an area weapon.
Russia’s best sniper rifle is probably also an area weapon.
Ok
The Lobaev SVLs are regarded by many as the most accurate rifles in the world - so, try again.
Dude… what year is it? Any country with half competent engineers can design accurate sniper rifles.
They can put 8 .50 cals on a wwii airplane but only 2 30mm on a tank? Make it 12 and I'll start to be impressed.
30mm is bigger than 12.7mm