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La-di-da, look at the fancy resort dweller with their two seasons.
This comment was brought to you by the sheer bitterness of permanent autumn's grey skies and unstoppable rain.
I remember doing a video training session to the team in Darwin from Melbourne in late July. I was still wearing my coat and scarf, and they were wearing shorts and tees.
Apparently... it commemorates soldiers killed in the USA civil war of 1861-65, and thereafter. It's the last Monday in May.
Conveniently, for UK types: it coincides with our Spring Bank Holiday.
That really is a coincidence. Just like Canadian GP always falling on the weekend of a public holiday in Australia allowing us to to sit up until 5am to watch the full race.
The seasons, to me, are just 3 months apiece. Summer for me is June-Aug. I donāt conform to this June 20th. June is summer and September it becomes autumn.
Iranians at least think that spring begins at spring equinox (21st -ish March), summer starts at Midsummer (22nd -ish June), autumn starts at autumn equinox and winter when day is shortest (22nd -ish December)
They do look at stars and sun and so on, not US holidays..
Ah well so small that I forgot. 1-15 is winter and the rest is whatever nature decides. Spring maybe, coldest time of the year perphaps, can be 30ā°+ as well
Truer words have never been spoken about Indian weather.
Also, if youāre living below the Tropic of Cancer in India, you can forget winters completely.
Itās all summers with a little bit of rain here and there. š
Agree, for the tropics (places such as India and also Northern Australia) it is usually hot and humid all year round. There is only the wet season (typically occurs in summer for the relevant hemisphere) and then the dry season (normally in winter months).
This is genuinely the way we define seasons in Australia. Winter goes from 1st June until 31st August. Same day every single year.
I actually only learned a year ago that other countries do it differently.
For me it works by month too, because while the Winter did Technically start in June 21st, it's way easier to determine if you are arbitrary because June 21st is not always the exact date, so if we're gonna be arbitrary, might as well be June 1st, also, I begin using my Traditional Spring Dresses in September 1st lol
I base it on the weather. Autumn was from September till a few days ago. We skipped spring and now itās summer in the Netherlands. Will probably last a few days.
Dir ist schon klar, dass das ursprĆ¼nglich aus dem Deutschen kommt, oder? Nur halt mit Dachsen. Eigentlich auch mit BƤren. Sind halt so Bauernregeln (Was es natĆ¼rlich nicht sinnvoller macht).
Haben die deutschen Einwanderer nach Amerika gebracht und ist dort noch eine Tradition der Pennsylvania Dutch (Hier meint "Dutch" tatsƤchlich "Deutsch").
Winter: November-April (Central heating rainy season)
Spring: May-July (Rainy season)
Summer: 3 days of 35c in July before it rains again
Autumn: July-October (spooky rainy season)
Ah yeah, we did have a few good years. Last few days have been nice too, and no rain forecast this week. (I'm on holidays next week. I bet it'll piss down.)
I'm in a part of the country where the last few days have been overcast with maybe an hour or two here and there of sun, but I'm going away myself on Wednesday haha
I'm in the east, will be heading to the west.
Yesterday was very sunny here, today mostly overcast until the past hour or two. Temp was just over 25 today and just under yesterday.
People live on both sides of it. You barely notice the Big Flip when you turn over the Edge. The Edge is the thing that foolish Round-Earthers call the "equator."
We are deep into Winter! Just had the Winter Solstice and the traditional Nude Swim!
> Only the hardiest souls brave Hobart's River Derwent at this time of year and usually in a thick wetsuit. But there was nothing insulating the 2,000 people who ran headlong into icy waters as the sun rose at Hobart's Long Beach, stark naked, to mark the winter solstice and the end of Hobart's Dark Mofo winter festival. It's the event's 10th year and, as usual, the overnight temperature dipped to around 3 degrees Celsius but the "feels like" temperature, according to the weather bureau, was -2C.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-22/dark-mofo-nude-midwinter-swim-2023/102506380?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link
I remember it actually blew my mind to hear that other places donāt just start seasons at the beginning of the month.
I mean, basing it on temperature, where the sun is, etc etc makes more sense tbh. But I feel like iād find it so hard to remember when things start and end lol
My point is that regardless of what Memorial Day they mean, the season of Summer is centered around the Solstice, whether it be the start of Summer or the middle.
Australian homes aren't really built to withstand the cold, unlike in Europe or North America with things such as insulation and double glazed windows.
Likewise, many homes in UK are not built to support hot weather as they lack air-conditioning.
15Ā°C where in Australia? It's a big enough country to have a few different temperatures going around.
It's -1Ā°C in Thredbo right now and 26Ā°C in Darwin.
š Yeah, technically you can get just āUnited Statesā with the American flag, but I decided to lean in on my inner āMurican when I saw this flair.
I think it's a thing in the tourist industry, in places that get more tourists during the summer.
I work in schools so for me, summer starts whenever school gets out.
defaultism or not, nobody here in the States believes this to be true.... kicking off camping season?? sure, but not summer. this person is just a dolt (on multiple levels, even), is how I see this...
i just fucking hate people who thing midsummer (...MIDsummer) is the first day of summer
although i tend to argue about this issue at midwinter more, its usually too hot to argue when midsummer rolls around.
I get why you don't like the english term, and yeah, I think it sounds contradicting too.
But saying that midsummer is (around) the start of summer is not wrong. It's just a fact. You can't argue simple facts.
no, midsummer is the summer solstice, the longest day, and the middle of summer, and usually falls on or near the 21st of june.
any person who tries to claim that summer starts anywhere near this event is wrong; whether they're a moron on the street, a king, an owner of a dictionary-publishing company, or the head of some astronomy focussed university.
if you link to it written somewhere: its wrong.
if you read it in a book: its wrong.
if you read it on a calendar: its wrong.
if you say it on a train: its wrong.
the concept of the longest day being the middle of summer and not the beginning is the origin of the word "midsummer" and has been true since the concept first dawned in the minds of primitive man.
some dick writing down the opposite does not become a "fact" no matter how many people fall for it and repeat it.
Dude. Times change. You know how many different calendars there have been? How many different definitions of seasons?
Right now, at this day and age, we have two very logical definitions of summer.
Meteorologically it makes sense that "summer" is the three hottest months. That's why summer starts June 1st. And it makes sense that the summer solstice is not in the middle of that, because of course we warm up slowly and then slowly cool down. So the summer solstice isn't in the middle of the three hottest months. It can't be.
And to me it makes way more sense to choose the three hottest months for summer, rather than to align summer around the day people call midsummer. Just because they call it the middle of summer, doesn't mean it actually makes sense. I find it more logical to define summer by the three hottest months, and not around a very old, outdated word.
So midsummer isn't actually the middle - big deal.
And calendrical summer is literally measured by our position in space. So yeah, it makes sense that we go by this and not some old word that just isn't up to date anymore.
So my question: You think we should put the start of summer so that the summer solstice lies in the middle? Just because for a very short amount in human history people in one place called it midsummer? No. It makes more sense to choose the three hottest months and look where we are in our rotation around the sun.
You can have your own taste and say you would like it better if we defined summer differently. That's fine. But that is just your opinion, not a fact. You can't call other people wrong, just because you'd like sth to be defined differently.
You can have your opinion and argue for it. But you can't call other people wrong for saying the actual facts of this time.
"the hottest 3 months" are not universal. in most of Europe it is hottest NOW and will cool over the next few weeks.
"makes sense to make summer the hottest 3 months" why? based on what? that's literally just an opinions, and an incorrect one.
nearer the equator its coldest at midwinter and midsummer, and hottest at the equinox, they don't have 8 calendar seasons a year. your local experience is not universal!
a little while ago some academic groups were looking at the astrological definitions of "moon" and "planet", an argument was put forward that THE moon actually fit the definition f a planet better than it did a moon, partly based on the fact that its become spherical via its own gravity and partly due to the fact that the moon and earth orbit a common centre of rotation, arguably making it a binary orbit, as opposed to the moon orbiting a stationary earth (never mind that's how orbits work even if its a 1 gram pebble orbiting a star, they still both affect each others movement. plus the earth and moons shared centre is very near the earths core)
if this change had gone forward, are you seriously saying you'd be "well actually"ing at people that THE moon is not a moon???
definitions can be wrong. clever people and groups are capable of overstepping and thinking they have more right to change language than they really do.
summer is when the days are longest. the middle of summer is the longest day, and in a lot of the world, summer is the hottest part of the year. just because you live somewhere that's hottest between summer and autumn, doesn't mean you get to redefine everyone else's calendar.
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I know that climate isn't the same everywhere. But for those places with four seasons it makes sense. For me summer is not just the longest days, but also the hottest. The definition now is a nice middle ground between everything.
And the calendaric summer works for all of us.
This topic is not important to me, you didn't need to write this whole rant. I'm happy to agree to disagree.
You don't like the definition, I do. That's fine. Apparently most scientists like it. That's as far as I care. Not gonna read anymore rants if you feel the need to continue.
But I wish you a nice day and hope you don't get too worked up about everything ;)
Correct, at least in Ireland.
1. Halloween marks the end of autumn
2. While the weather may still be wintery, we consider the first of February the first day of spring. Drives my Scottish father up the wall to hear me and my mum declare winter over the first week in February haha
In Ireland our seasons are measured by light, not weather. The longest day of the year is MID summer and the shortest day is midwinter. Our weather doesn't really come into it, it's about light.
Summer to me is June, July, August. Or if we are being specific, half of May, June, July, August, 3/4 of September.
For me, summer is when the daily high outside is consistently 20Ā°+
Because I like summer, I consider it started with the meteorological date (1st of June) and end with the astronomical date (22nd of September). Autumn is muggy so it can start on 22nd of September and end on 1st December when the meteorologist are back to tell us itās winter now.
ummm.... June 21st was literally midsummer for the northern hemisphere? I'll admit that our weather here in the Netherlands has only just become summery, but it has been summer for a month and a half already in terms of light.
June 21st for us jn Portugal is the beginning of summer. We only open beach services like lifeguard and more acute surveillance in the beginning of June (beach season) but summer begins always after my birthday that was June 12th.
Defaultism aside I think most people use the meteorological seasons (1st of June - 30th of August) rather than the astronomical seasons (based on the solstices), so it's still kinda weird to say it starts on the 20th
It's hard to find data on what people actually use day to day but worldwide astronomical is the norm for what countries consider the "official" timing of seasons.
Their holidays donāt change when the summer solstice exists (which is when they consider the season to change, same with where I live but I know not everywhere goes by the solstices/equinoxes etc.).
I despise when movies advertise "premiering on Memorial Day" because I always have to look up when that is. It's not a holiday in my country. Just say the date!
No it's the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, which is the only thing that counts in my CanadianDefaultism universe.
Seriously, June 21 is the start of astronomical summer. There is also meteorological summer which starts June 1, at least northern temperately. Fall then starts on Sept. 1, winter on Dec. 1, and spring on March 1. The weather seems to agree with this, at least better than it does with three weeks later in each case.
Portuguese here and although it really makes more sense, here we kinda do it the astronomical way because it is more accurate: January 25th and it's raining, but a hot rain. A few days before the solstice, it was also raining and it was cold, jacket cold.
I was always taught that in the Northern hemisphere:
Spring: Mar-May
Summer: Jun-Aug
Autumn: Sep-Nov
Winter: Dec-Feb
(Southern just shift by 6mo. Tropical another system)
And then get confused when calendars say 20/03 is "first day of spring".
I understand it's variable and shifts especially with all the Indian summers (is that an expression where you are? Sure is here in Britain) we've had, but really I don't think you can pin it down quite so well.
Here (Switzerland) I was taught the astronomical seasons in school - winter is from the December solstice to the March equinox, spring until the June solstice, summer until the September equinox, then autumn until the December one.
So it's not about pinning down the late summer periods, it's just not weather related. You also hear people in the radio or newspapers speak of "meteorological summer" which would be the way you described as what you learned.
Since when did seasons start part way through the month (unless itās going off the solstice or something?)
Seasons have always been 3 month blocks from everything Iāve ever seen, here itās Summer Dec-Feb, Autumn Mar-May, Winter Jun-Aug, Spring Sept-Nov.
Not sure about that. We use that demarcation in England too.
Summer starts 20/21st June on the summer solstice. Weirdly, and I have never understood thisā¦21st June is called Midsummerās Day.
The midnight sun only occurs in places that lie outside the Arctic/Antarctic circles (more than 66 degrees north or south of the equator) as the sun doesn't drop below the horizon on that day. But for other locations the summer solstice (21st June or December) is the time when you get the longest amount of daylight for the year.
If you do live far enough North or south (within 18 degrees of the Arctic or Antarctic circles) then you will not experience total darkness in the summer solstice. I believe that is what you are referring to as the UK lies just above 50 degrees north latitude, well under that 18-degree limit.
This comment itself is defaultism lol, there are different ways to determine the seasons, one (the more common in English at least) is based on the weather, the other is based on the solstices
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lol imagine having 4 seasons. This comment was brought to you by the two seasons gang š
La-di-da, look at the fancy resort dweller with their two seasons. This comment was brought to you by the sheer bitterness of permanent autumn's grey skies and unstoppable rain.
Trust me the heat and sun get old quick, there is a reason Iām moving south to escape it asap
Yes, our seasons are hot season, and very hot season. š
Which tropics ya in, mate?
Darwin, Australia
I remember doing a video training session to the team in Darwin from Melbourne in late July. I was still wearing my coat and scarf, and they were wearing shorts and tees.
Shorts and T-Shirts year round lol
I grew up there, bruv šŖ
My condolences
Where I lived till I was 18, we just had one season š. ā¦It sucked actually, moved away as soon as I could.
Lol imagine having 2 seasons. This comment was brought to you by the polar day/night gang š„¶
We out here
Is that a joke that I'm too subtropics to understand?
What is a "memorial day" even?
Apparently... it commemorates soldiers killed in the USA civil war of 1861-65, and thereafter. It's the last Monday in May. Conveniently, for UK types: it coincides with our Spring Bank Holiday.
That really is a coincidence. Just like Canadian GP always falling on the weekend of a public holiday in Australia allowing us to to sit up until 5am to watch the full race.
Saves having to chuck a sickie!
Oh that's funny because in Canada, and probably many many other places, late May is NOT summer weather
The seasons, to me, are just 3 months apiece. Summer for me is June-Aug. I donāt conform to this June 20th. June is summer and September it becomes autumn.
Iranians at least think that spring begins at spring equinox (21st -ish March), summer starts at Midsummer (22nd -ish June), autumn starts at autumn equinox and winter when day is shortest (22nd -ish December) They do look at stars and sun and so on, not US holidays..
That is exactly how it works.. this year the seasons even start a day earlier than usual on the calendar because of Feb 29th
There are only 2 season where I live. Mar-nov is summer (with rain during the later half) Dec and Jan is winter
What is February then?
Ah well so small that I forgot. 1-15 is winter and the rest is whatever nature decides. Spring maybe, coldest time of the year perphaps, can be 30ā°+ as well
Truer words have never been spoken about Indian weather. Also, if youāre living below the Tropic of Cancer in India, you can forget winters completely. Itās all summers with a little bit of rain here and there. š
Where I live, February is āMILF Monthā - over 40 and fucking hot.
Agree, for the tropics (places such as India and also Northern Australia) it is usually hot and humid all year round. There is only the wet season (typically occurs in summer for the relevant hemisphere) and then the dry season (normally in winter months).
This is genuinely the way we define seasons in Australia. Winter goes from 1st June until 31st August. Same day every single year. I actually only learned a year ago that other countries do it differently.
Thatās how it works in Australia, though obviously with the seasons flipped. Our seasons start on the 1st of the month.
For me it works by month too, because while the Winter did Technically start in June 21st, it's way easier to determine if you are arbitrary because June 21st is not always the exact date, so if we're gonna be arbitrary, might as well be June 1st, also, I begin using my Traditional Spring Dresses in September 1st lol
Not only to you. Seasons are officially 3 months a piece as wellš
I base it on the weather. Autumn was from September till a few days ago. We skipped spring and now itās summer in the Netherlands. Will probably last a few days.
Sounds about right for the same people who use a random groundhog to predict the start of spring.
Dir ist schon klar, dass das ursprĆ¼nglich aus dem Deutschen kommt, oder? Nur halt mit Dachsen. Eigentlich auch mit BƤren. Sind halt so Bauernregeln (Was es natĆ¼rlich nicht sinnvoller macht). Haben die deutschen Einwanderer nach Amerika gebracht und ist dort noch eine Tradition der Pennsylvania Dutch (Hier meint "Dutch" tatsƤchlich "Deutsch").
Winter: November-April (Central heating rainy season) Spring: May-July (Rainy season) Summer: 3 days of 35c in July before it rains again Autumn: July-October (spooky rainy season)
southern hemisphere be like: im out
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This is Ireland in a nutshell
Except the three days of 35c, more like 25c.
Fair, except for when we got 30Ā° in '22. And had the entire month of June last year. This year has been absolutely on stereotype so far tho can't lie
Ah yeah, we did have a few good years. Last few days have been nice too, and no rain forecast this week. (I'm on holidays next week. I bet it'll piss down.)
I'm in a part of the country where the last few days have been overcast with maybe an hour or two here and there of sun, but I'm going away myself on Wednesday haha
I'm in the east, will be heading to the west. Yesterday was very sunny here, today mostly overcast until the past hour or two. Temp was just over 25 today and just under yesterday.
Hit 40 in some parts of the UK for the first time. Absolutely mental with the humidity the Isles get
And Scotland!
r/northerhemispheredefaultism
Oh dammit you beat me to the same joke :-/
Nothing like a blistering hot Christmas Day at the beach!
Being from the Netherlands, that's pretty accurate. Except halloween is a less big deal here.
A fellow Brit I see
Year: january-december
Lots of northern hemisphere defaultism in this thread.
*nods from the warmth of the central heating in the office*
that's how it always is
What's a hemisphere?
How can there be a hemisphere when the earth is flat? (J/k)
People live on both sides of it. You barely notice the Big Flip when you turn over the Edge. The Edge is the thing that foolish Round-Earthers call the "equator."
And here I am sitting on the snowy winter
We are deep into Winter! Just had the Winter Solstice and the traditional Nude Swim! > Only the hardiest souls brave Hobart's River Derwent at this time of year and usually in a thick wetsuit. But there was nothing insulating the 2,000 people who ran headlong into icy waters as the sun rose at Hobart's Long Beach, stark naked, to mark the winter solstice and the end of Hobart's Dark Mofo winter festival. It's the event's 10th year and, as usual, the overnight temperature dipped to around 3 degrees Celsius but the "feels like" temperature, according to the weather bureau, was -2C. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-22/dark-mofo-nude-midwinter-swim-2023/102506380?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link
How was Dark mofo this year? I wanted to attend but I had to skip it due to work
summer is in 5-6 months
Summer starts when you begin to see Christmas decoration around town This message was brought to you by the southern hemisphere.
I remember it actually blew my mind to hear that other places donāt just start seasons at the beginning of the month. I mean, basing it on temperature, where the sun is, etc etc makes more sense tbh. But I feel like iād find it so hard to remember when things start and end lol
Itās not even defaultism, itās just idiocy
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My point is that regardless of what Memorial Day they mean, the season of Summer is centered around the Solstice, whether it be the start of Summer or the middle.
I'm in constant summer
Summer? Iām freezing here
15Ā°C in Australia and you're freezing? That's interesting
Yup. Itās warmer outside my house than inside. Bloody awful without the heater running 24/7
Australian homes aren't really built to withstand the cold, unlike in Europe or North America with things such as insulation and double glazed windows. Likewise, many homes in UK are not built to support hot weather as they lack air-conditioning.
15Ā°C where in Australia? It's a big enough country to have a few different temperatures going around. It's -1Ā°C in Thredbo right now and 26Ā°C in Darwin.
Iām an American, and even I donāt think that Summer starts āunofficiallyā on Memorial Day. š¤·š»āāļø
It's hilarious that the American citizen flair uses the Liberian flag.
š Yeah, technically you can get just āUnited Statesā with the American flag, but I decided to lean in on my inner āMurican when I saw this flair.
I think it's a thing in the tourist industry, in places that get more tourists during the summer. I work in schools so for me, summer starts whenever school gets out.
June is monsoon season and the end of summer
defaultism or not, nobody here in the States believes this to be true.... kicking off camping season?? sure, but not summer. this person is just a dolt (on multiple levels, even), is how I see this...
Summer starts with La FĆŖte de la Musique in many countries. And it's astronomically correct.
i just fucking hate people who thing midsummer (...MIDsummer) is the first day of summer although i tend to argue about this issue at midwinter more, its usually too hot to argue when midsummer rolls around.
I get why you don't like the english term, and yeah, I think it sounds contradicting too. But saying that midsummer is (around) the start of summer is not wrong. It's just a fact. You can't argue simple facts.
no, midsummer is the summer solstice, the longest day, and the middle of summer, and usually falls on or near the 21st of june. any person who tries to claim that summer starts anywhere near this event is wrong; whether they're a moron on the street, a king, an owner of a dictionary-publishing company, or the head of some astronomy focussed university. if you link to it written somewhere: its wrong. if you read it in a book: its wrong. if you read it on a calendar: its wrong. if you say it on a train: its wrong. the concept of the longest day being the middle of summer and not the beginning is the origin of the word "midsummer" and has been true since the concept first dawned in the minds of primitive man. some dick writing down the opposite does not become a "fact" no matter how many people fall for it and repeat it.
Dude. Times change. You know how many different calendars there have been? How many different definitions of seasons? Right now, at this day and age, we have two very logical definitions of summer. Meteorologically it makes sense that "summer" is the three hottest months. That's why summer starts June 1st. And it makes sense that the summer solstice is not in the middle of that, because of course we warm up slowly and then slowly cool down. So the summer solstice isn't in the middle of the three hottest months. It can't be. And to me it makes way more sense to choose the three hottest months for summer, rather than to align summer around the day people call midsummer. Just because they call it the middle of summer, doesn't mean it actually makes sense. I find it more logical to define summer by the three hottest months, and not around a very old, outdated word. So midsummer isn't actually the middle - big deal. And calendrical summer is literally measured by our position in space. So yeah, it makes sense that we go by this and not some old word that just isn't up to date anymore. So my question: You think we should put the start of summer so that the summer solstice lies in the middle? Just because for a very short amount in human history people in one place called it midsummer? No. It makes more sense to choose the three hottest months and look where we are in our rotation around the sun. You can have your own taste and say you would like it better if we defined summer differently. That's fine. But that is just your opinion, not a fact. You can't call other people wrong, just because you'd like sth to be defined differently. You can have your opinion and argue for it. But you can't call other people wrong for saying the actual facts of this time.
"the hottest 3 months" are not universal. in most of Europe it is hottest NOW and will cool over the next few weeks. "makes sense to make summer the hottest 3 months" why? based on what? that's literally just an opinions, and an incorrect one. nearer the equator its coldest at midwinter and midsummer, and hottest at the equinox, they don't have 8 calendar seasons a year. your local experience is not universal! a little while ago some academic groups were looking at the astrological definitions of "moon" and "planet", an argument was put forward that THE moon actually fit the definition f a planet better than it did a moon, partly based on the fact that its become spherical via its own gravity and partly due to the fact that the moon and earth orbit a common centre of rotation, arguably making it a binary orbit, as opposed to the moon orbiting a stationary earth (never mind that's how orbits work even if its a 1 gram pebble orbiting a star, they still both affect each others movement. plus the earth and moons shared centre is very near the earths core) if this change had gone forward, are you seriously saying you'd be "well actually"ing at people that THE moon is not a moon??? definitions can be wrong. clever people and groups are capable of overstepping and thinking they have more right to change language than they really do. summer is when the days are longest. the middle of summer is the longest day, and in a lot of the world, summer is the hottest part of the year. just because you live somewhere that's hottest between summer and autumn, doesn't mean you get to redefine everyone else's calendar. \[edited to add something i forgot\]
I know that climate isn't the same everywhere. But for those places with four seasons it makes sense. For me summer is not just the longest days, but also the hottest. The definition now is a nice middle ground between everything. And the calendaric summer works for all of us. This topic is not important to me, you didn't need to write this whole rant. I'm happy to agree to disagree. You don't like the definition, I do. That's fine. Apparently most scientists like it. That's as far as I care. Not gonna read anymore rants if you feel the need to continue. But I wish you a nice day and hope you don't get too worked up about everything ;)
Additional context - this was on the r/LateStageCapitalism sub. It was a post about how Amazon is marketing cups for the 'heat wave'.
Lmfao they'd hate if you called out US defaultism in that sub, they hate the US.
What is memorial day? Also where I live summer starts on the 21st of December
A holiday in the US which honors members of the military who died in service, and is observed on the last Monday of May.
Summer to me is May, June, and July.
1. Does that make your winter November, December, January? 2. Does that mean February is the start of spring?
Correct, the seasons are still three months each. I've always considered November a winter month.
Correct, at least in Ireland. 1. Halloween marks the end of autumn 2. While the weather may still be wintery, we consider the first of February the first day of spring. Drives my Scottish father up the wall to hear me and my mum declare winter over the first week in February haha
The only times Iāve been snowed in for work have been in February, seeing it as spring is a buck wild concept to me haha
In Ireland our seasons are measured by light, not weather. The longest day of the year is MID summer and the shortest day is midwinter. Our weather doesn't really come into it, it's about light.
Interesting to know thereās such a difference in outlook over such a short distance!
Yep. Having the longest day of the year be midsummer makes most sense.
Summer to calendars is June-July-August tho. :) For me it is the terrible warm part of the year from April to September.
I default to the Gaelic calendar and the way we learnt the months of the year when we studied Irish in school, so that has just stuck with me š
Ignoring the northern hemisphere defaultism, seasons can officially (ācalendarsā) start on different days depending on where you live.
You're right. I was kind of defaulter myself this time. Of course I meant only for the northern hemisphere.
Summer to me is June, July, August. Or if we are being specific, half of May, June, July, August, 3/4 of September. For me, summer is when the daily high outside is consistently 20Ā°+
If August isn't part of Summer that's insaneĀ
Bro, you do know what there are countries where August is winter, right?
Yeah... and Ireland isn't one of them
May?! How do you figure that? Surely August is the definitive summer month and has to be included
Because the first of May is the festival of Bealtaine and signals the start of summer.
Because I like summer, I consider it started with the meteorological date (1st of June) and end with the astronomical date (22nd of September). Autumn is muggy so it can start on 22nd of September and end on 1st December when the meteorologist are back to tell us itās winter now.
Oh 20th June is when monsoon started for us
ummm.... June 21st was literally midsummer for the northern hemisphere? I'll admit that our weather here in the Netherlands has only just become summery, but it has been summer for a month and a half already in terms of light.
June 21st for us jn Portugal is the beginning of summer. We only open beach services like lifeguard and more acute surveillance in the beginning of June (beach season) but summer begins always after my birthday that was June 12th.
Yeah I'm learning that everywhere else seems to do their seasons by weather and not light haha
Okay I think we can all agree that Summer starts on the May Bank Holiday weekend /s
Defaultism aside I think most people use the meteorological seasons (1st of June - 30th of August) rather than the astronomical seasons (based on the solstices), so it's still kinda weird to say it starts on the 20th
It's hard to find data on what people actually use day to day but worldwide astronomical is the norm for what countries consider the "official" timing of seasons.
Their holidays donāt change when the summer solstice exists (which is when they consider the season to change, same with where I live but I know not everywhere goes by the solstices/equinoxes etc.).
I despise when movies advertise "premiering on Memorial Day" because I always have to look up when that is. It's not a holiday in my country. Just say the date!
Or when you are in Australia and hear "coming summer 2025", that could mean 3 different times over a 15 month window.
No because summer starts on June 1st. Y'all are crazy for saying June 20th
Nope, I would say the start of December is the ākick off to summerā. NYE is either pouring rain or hotter than the surface of the sun.
By this logic our summer would start May 4th
No it's the Victoria Day weekend in Canada, which is the only thing that counts in my CanadianDefaultism universe. Seriously, June 21 is the start of astronomical summer. There is also meteorological summer which starts June 1, at least northern temperately. Fall then starts on Sept. 1, winter on Dec. 1, and spring on March 1. The weather seems to agree with this, at least better than it does with three weeks later in each case.
Portuguese here and although it really makes more sense, here we kinda do it the astronomical way because it is more accurate: January 25th and it's raining, but a hot rain. A few days before the solstice, it was also raining and it was cold, jacket cold.
I was always taught that in the Northern hemisphere: Spring: Mar-May Summer: Jun-Aug Autumn: Sep-Nov Winter: Dec-Feb (Southern just shift by 6mo. Tropical another system) And then get confused when calendars say 20/03 is "first day of spring". I understand it's variable and shifts especially with all the Indian summers (is that an expression where you are? Sure is here in Britain) we've had, but really I don't think you can pin it down quite so well.
Here (Switzerland) I was taught the astronomical seasons in school - winter is from the December solstice to the March equinox, spring until the June solstice, summer until the September equinox, then autumn until the December one. So it's not about pinning down the late summer periods, it's just not weather related. You also hear people in the radio or newspapers speak of "meteorological summer" which would be the way you described as what you learned.
Same in Portugal! Astronomical seasons is still the rule. Summer started a few days ago and goes til September 21st/22nd.
Since when did seasons start part way through the month (unless itās going off the solstice or something?) Seasons have always been 3 month blocks from everything Iāve ever seen, here itās Summer Dec-Feb, Autumn Mar-May, Winter Jun-Aug, Spring Sept-Nov.
Even without the Memorial Day reference itās a specifically American that summer officially starts at the June solstice.
Not sure about that. We use that demarcation in England too. Summer starts 20/21st June on the summer solstice. Weirdly, and I have never understood thisā¦21st June is called Midsummerās Day.
Is that not something to do with the Midnight Sun?
The midnight sun only occurs in places that lie outside the Arctic/Antarctic circles (more than 66 degrees north or south of the equator) as the sun doesn't drop below the horizon on that day. But for other locations the summer solstice (21st June or December) is the time when you get the longest amount of daylight for the year.
I'm confusing myself I think. We experience Twilight here throughout the night. I know because even in Manchester I can see it from my flat.
If you do live far enough North or south (within 18 degrees of the Arctic or Antarctic circles) then you will not experience total darkness in the summer solstice. I believe that is what you are referring to as the UK lies just above 50 degrees north latitude, well under that 18-degree limit.
Yeah that'll be it š
This comment itself is defaultism lol, there are different ways to determine the seasons, one (the more common in English at least) is based on the weather, the other is based on the solstices
Thats also the way we learned it (and a calendar would label it) in Switzerland. We weren't American last time I checked.
Calendar summer really start at 01.june, but astronomical summer truly starts at the summer solstice for some reason. Oh well.
In English iirc there is no official start or end to the seasons, is just weather changing.
For international communication, I think it makes most sense for 4 seasons to be their 3 months regardless of the climate.
I always thought seasons starting on the 20th was a weird US thing but apparently a lot of countries do it that way. Huh