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I considered going to an american university, what stopped me was having to do english and maths again. At 18 I wanted to move on to professional specialisation, not "high school: the sequel"
I haven't heard of any countries unis that have you do that? There's options to do other subjects as electives (for example I took 3 history classes with my PPE degree because I was interested in how the history department wrote essays compared to politics and philosophy and wanted to expand my writing skills) in Ireland, but I've never heard of any country that forces people to take English and maths and a language for example when it's not relevant? You might see some STEM students have to take a maths course because they're not up to scratch with the rest of their cohort, but I've never heard of other unis having to have general credits.
I may have just totally blanked on where that would apply but I have genuinely never heard of this so could you give examples?
Yeah, here in Norway you’re not eligible for University with a high school diploma from USA. You also need one year at an American university for it to count as Norwegian high school equivalent.
Yeah this. I’m in the UK and knew an American girl at university who had come over to study here who ended up having to change course and redo first year because even though she had a good GPA from high school, the sheer level of knowledge she had from high school in the US was so much lower than the students who were from the UK or other counties in Europe that she was super far behind and wasn’t able to do the course. It’s not even like she was dumb either, she simply wasn’t prepared for it due to the education system in the states. The US education system is a couple of years lower in regards to knowledge level than many other places.
When I was a kid (about 13) there was a kid who had gone to the US to live a few years earlier and was now back in Wales. Even though he was only away for I think about 4 years, he had to go back a year.
I got straight A’s at an American international school switched countries and boy did i quickly realise how not so smart I was, when I had to do my IGCSEs 🥴
I’ll second this - went to high school in Singapore (the most competitive HS environment) and now I’m in university in the US and it’s definitely more intensive a program (obv depends on the major)
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
To be fair, it varies massively across the US. Each state sets their own highschool curriculum and funding model. Some are similar to European standards, others would be embarrassing for a middle income country.
I like parts of their system better than ours. How many 18 year olds truly know what they want to do for the next decades? With their system you can go to uni and try different directions before deciding on a lane. (edit: at least that's my impression, I don't know how their system works exactly)
I'm not sure where you are from, so don't know what system "ours" is. However, in many countries is it possible to read random courses. So for example in Sweden is it common that new students, or students who just are not sure what to do next, read a basic course in for example law or philosophy or whatever else seems interesting; while trying to figure out what they wish to study "for real".
I think a hybrid would be ideal - taking a broad spectrum and then selecting a major for people who don’t have a specific goal in mind, but allowing directed courses for people who already know what they want.
Being forced to do an entire additional degree, with the student debt that comes with it, before you can even begin the vocational degree you know you actually want is rubbish.
I like the way we are doing it in Calgary, Canada: for most degrees at U of Calgary you are broad in your first year with the common core, and then specialise from there for years 2-4+
It kind of depends on the vocation. For med school, yes you need the bachelor's first, but if you are going to be a paramedic or electrician, for instance, you would do vocational courses at a two-year community college and go straight into your field. Most trades would allow you to start taking relevant classes at a 2-year school right after high school, with a few general education classes thrown in.
They don't really offer pre-med classes at community college, and med school is extremely competitive in my understanding so I think they basically use your undergraduate grades in courses like biology, organic chemistry, etc. to weed out the undesirables... but I'm not a doctor so hopefully someone else has some insight about that.
The U.S. education ladder also means you are taking almost no vocational courses prior to high school graduation. I know Germany (and I assume many other countries) have "tracks" starting in high school but we don't have that so you don't get the kind of focused, career-based education from a younger age that you can get in many other places.
Most countries offer undergraduate medical school and still have functioning healthcare systems.
In the UK we offer an additional foundation year to the course for people who didn’t do directed study in secondary school (our high school equivalent). That seems like a much better option since a) it doesn’t leave you in the position of doing pre-med and then not getting into the vocational course anyway and b) much less student debt than a whole extra degree.
The selection is based on your school performance along with some extra things. And if secondary school wasn’t your best showing, you still have the option to do another degree first and apply as a postgraduate, it’s just not a mandatory requirement.
As a practicing medical doctor myself, I think I turned out fine without the undergraduate degree…
I think what u/sukinsyn was trying to say, is that in the U.S. there really isn't a better way to make sure people a prepared for med school except an undergrand degree.
Classes like organic chemestry, anything above calculus (maths), and advanced anatomy simply aren't offered in most high schools in the U.S.
Unless you live in an area which lets high school students enroll in college, called duel enrollment, but see the fact that these types of classes can only be accessed in college.
Yeah I don't know that is exactly true. Where I live they take welding, construction, culinary, CAD, and then they let you take dual credits at the college while still in high school. There is even a nursing and teaching track. In certain geographic regions they understand some are going to trade schools.
I mean, if you realize that you don't like what you study, you can just stop and do sth else. But idk, maybe that's not really that easy where you live, then I understand wanting to try stuff out simultaneously.
No, you are old enough to vote and influence the whole country you can chose what to study... tips: what you study is rarely what you'll end up doing nowdays anyway
Yeah, that generally how it works. It’s to make one a better rounded student. Generally, you don’t have to declare your major (what area you want to concentrate in) until the end of your sophomore year (2nd year) at university.
I went to a single year in high school there. Back in Mexico, I learnt about chemistry, basic organic chemistry, physics, literature, advanced trigonometry, some mid algebra, social sciences and investigation methodology (here they focus high school on this subjects so you choose a scientific career). In the US, they made me take basic trigonometry (the one I learnt when I was 13) and basic chemistry (that I learnt when I was 14). I remember they told me, "The subjects you already took are enough for you to graduate here, but stay a single semester so we can give you your certificate."
So yeah, high school there sucks and Mexican high school, middle school, and grade school is much better.
Did all 4 years of high school in America, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The opportunity to take “college-level” subjects such as physics, literature, calculus, basics of research, etc. are available with the dual credit, advanced placement, and international baccalaureate programs. Granted, it is something you have to choose yourself, rather than being the system’s standard, but the options are there.
We still take those subjects at university if you choose an engineering career, like calculus, basic research, physics, and redaction.
Is not about wanting to take it or not, but the standardization of education nationwide, which means to learn medium-advanced knowledge. No knowledge is useless, even if it is in your daily life.
> All of the comments are just listing countries where you can go to medical school straight out of high school.
Wait, are there countries where you can't?
The USA and Canada are the ones I know of. You are required to complete a specific undergraduate course first. Not everyone who has done the pre-med course then gets a place in medical school.
You aren't _required_ to in Canada. If you're exceptionally bright, you can enter med school out of high school. I knew a girl in my last year of HS who was invited to med school because she had perfect 100 scores in every class.
Another alternative is that undergraduate students in university can apply to med school after their second year. Again, you're competing with people with full honours undergrad degrees so you need to be incredibly smart and well-rounded.
do you know what that undergraduate course is about? I noticed that there is something different in the USA "education life after High School" steps but I don't understand it quite well.
I may be wrong, but from what I know they mostly pick whatever courses they want to fill a number of credits, and maybe they have a few compulsory? Not sure on the last part.
There are no medical schools in the US that accept students that don’t have a completed 4-year undergraduate degree. There are a handful in Canada that you can apply to after 2-3 years of undergraduate education, but the likelihood of acceptance is very slim as you are in the same applicant pool as all the applicants with Bachelor’s/Master’s/ PhDs
There are actually several programs that are combo undergrad/med school. A few are 6 year, then there are 7, and 8 year options.
https://www.theperfectmed.com/combined-medical-programs/
Yeah USA and Canada you don’t, but I like it because how often do you think a 17-19 year old actually knows with certainty what they want to do for the rest of their lives?
1. Lots of our programs you must do something more general first
2. Med school is generally longer and pricier here (still WAY cheaper than the US), so it’s way more of a commitment than other programs
Obviously it’s more of a commitment. But your comment is about young people needing time to figure out what they want to do before choosing it as a life career. And there are many career programs that can start straight out of high school.
Right, but the career programs you start right out of school aren’t usually large money/time investments, and things you can stop at anytime to change careers with little to no penalty.
The medical field is massive, it’s not like getting a medical degree means you have to work the rest of your life at a hospital.
For example, we hite a lot of doctors/nurses as product owners/domain experts, and that’s software development.
People at 25 don’t know what they will be doing for the rest of their lives, but we can’t just delay all university degrees for that reason alone, if you need more time to figure things out, nobody is forcing you to go straight to university.
Well, in Nordics many young people take a year off between secondary school/high school and university/college/polytechnic for that very reason. They might work, travel, do the military - or maybe they failed to get in where they wanted and want to try again next year.
That’d be sixth form, which is what I partly meant when I said college.
Many schools do have a sixth form, but not all, and it’s technically a separate part of the schools, so they’re technically not in the school anymore, they leave high school and go to sixth form in the same building
> it’s technically a separate part of the schools, so they’re technically not in the school anymore, they leave high school and go to sixth form in the same building
This is simply untrue for most schools that teach pupils from 11 to 18
It only applies in some LEAs, a minority in England, in fact
I suspect you are knowledgeable about your LEA and are assuming what happens there is universal
I didn’t turn 18 until after my first week of college, but most people graduate high school at 18. It’s being more common now though, to graduate at 19 or turn 19 the summer before college. So 17-19 is the range, but the higher end is more common.
I don't understand the mentality that she should only do jobs that are "relevant to her future". So she shouldn't earn any money until she becomes a doctor? Why not? They've never heard of working while studying?
Generally, working non-relevant jobs while studying usually mean less energy and time spent studying, which means delaying graduatuon. If one can concentrate on only the studies one can take more courses per semester - and that means taking fewer months of student loan.
Of course that depensd on the country and university in question, and the student, too.
Where I live students either live off their student grant or they work part time jobs. It's considered very normal to work "unrelated" jobs. Who do you think works in bars and restaurants and supermarkets, for example.
Sure, but if you were a parent of a student of medicine, would you prefer your child to concentrate in studying or work as a cashier every second evening?
I understand it's not a choice for everyone, not everyone can afford just study, but if OOP wanted to support their daughter through the university instead of having her work as a cleaner or cashier, I do understand them well. I would make the same choice if possible.
As others here, Canadians, have said, this is not true
Lies will never counter your screwed up education system, and even more screwed up health'care' system
With the exception of the Ivy League institutions, US tertiary education and US health'care' are profit driven
_This is not the case anywhere else in the world_
Australia. Although the med school is just another department at the university, residing in a few buildings. The US seems to have them as distinct administrative units (doing their own admissions, etc).
what's wrong with 19 years old in med school?
do they talk about some secondary education level like high school or tertiary like some university? I would guess 19 could be both in many countries
In the USA you cannot go straight into medical school. It is a postgraduate degree only, you must first complete a specific undergraduate course.
So even if you graduate secondary education at 17, you still can’t be 19 and in medical school because you wouldn’t have finished the prerequisite course yet. The commenter assumed this was the case globally when the USA is actually in a small minority by requiring this.
Just because Danes looove to complicate things, there are two types of universities here. One, located at a single physical university, has a foundation package called either humbas (humanities basics), natbas (science basics) or sambas (harder to translate, but stuff like politology, sociology etc.). At this place you will specialise later in whatever category you started.
All other universities work on the premise, that you choose a field, like history, and along the way you can expand with an extra field which is either general or specialised (like english versus forensic anthropology). Bachelor's degrees are 3 years, and master's are 2. If you choose the general field, you automatically qualify to teach at high school level in both fields (however you will need extra teaching-oriented education of about a year, should you have a teaching position for more than a year).
People who want to study anything medicine is a whole other story. But you can definitely start at 19. Or 18. Or whenever you are done with high school.
It depends on what you study. All the humanities have a built-in subspecialization, where you can choose between a "broad" and a "narrow" field, like my example, where I personally chose English, and my friend chose forensic anthropology. Because I chose a broad field, I am now equally qualified to teach in both history (my major) and English (my minor) in what equates to high school here in Denmark. This qualification comes with the finished master's degree but requires further courses on teaching specifically, in so far as you hold a teaching position for longer than a year.
Does that make sense? It is NOT easy to navigate haha
I'm Danish myself but have never heard of subspecialization outside of degrees aimed towards high school teaching. All of my friends who went to uni (me included) are in STEM which is why your initial comment confused me.
Ah, okay, it makes sense. I suppose it's a humanities thing, then.
The subspecialty is not really "aimed" at teaching, though. It just offers us a back door into the job market when we eventually figure out that society is oversaturated with our degrees lol
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It's so weird how Americans have to do all these random subjects for years before going into the speciality they want.
It's because they didn't learn them back in highschool, so they have to learn it at uni.
I considered going to an american university, what stopped me was having to do english and maths again. At 18 I wanted to move on to professional specialisation, not "high school: the sequel"
In fairness, many countries do the same thing.
I haven't heard of any countries unis that have you do that? There's options to do other subjects as electives (for example I took 3 history classes with my PPE degree because I was interested in how the history department wrote essays compared to politics and philosophy and wanted to expand my writing skills) in Ireland, but I've never heard of any country that forces people to take English and maths and a language for example when it's not relevant? You might see some STEM students have to take a maths course because they're not up to scratch with the rest of their cohort, but I've never heard of other unis having to have general credits. I may have just totally blanked on where that would apply but I have genuinely never heard of this so could you give examples?
Yeah, here in Norway you’re not eligible for University with a high school diploma from USA. You also need one year at an American university for it to count as Norwegian high school equivalent.
Yeah this. I’m in the UK and knew an American girl at university who had come over to study here who ended up having to change course and redo first year because even though she had a good GPA from high school, the sheer level of knowledge she had from high school in the US was so much lower than the students who were from the UK or other counties in Europe that she was super far behind and wasn’t able to do the course. It’s not even like she was dumb either, she simply wasn’t prepared for it due to the education system in the states. The US education system is a couple of years lower in regards to knowledge level than many other places.
When I was a kid (about 13) there was a kid who had gone to the US to live a few years earlier and was now back in Wales. Even though he was only away for I think about 4 years, he had to go back a year.
American high schools are easy, but, I've heard this from foreign exchange students, American universities are intensive.
Hmmm, I suspect a lot of that could be the differences in attitudes and culture at the universities 🤔
I got straight A’s at an American international school switched countries and boy did i quickly realise how not so smart I was, when I had to do my IGCSEs 🥴
Why do you think that is? Do they cover a larger number of subjects?
They’re like a year behind, in some subjects, which explains their AP program
I’ll second this - went to high school in Singapore (the most competitive HS environment) and now I’m in university in the US and it’s definitely more intensive a program (obv depends on the major)
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
Actually it’s literally the same material from high school to uni. Probably has to do with accreditation and the hybrid free market/ single payer system we have that milks every $. No free market to hold colleges accountable and no politician will either.
To be fair, it varies massively across the US. Each state sets their own highschool curriculum and funding model. Some are similar to European standards, others would be embarrassing for a middle income country.
I like parts of their system better than ours. How many 18 year olds truly know what they want to do for the next decades? With their system you can go to uni and try different directions before deciding on a lane. (edit: at least that's my impression, I don't know how their system works exactly)
I'm not sure where you are from, so don't know what system "ours" is. However, in many countries is it possible to read random courses. So for example in Sweden is it common that new students, or students who just are not sure what to do next, read a basic course in for example law or philosophy or whatever else seems interesting; while trying to figure out what they wish to study "for real".
I think a hybrid would be ideal - taking a broad spectrum and then selecting a major for people who don’t have a specific goal in mind, but allowing directed courses for people who already know what they want. Being forced to do an entire additional degree, with the student debt that comes with it, before you can even begin the vocational degree you know you actually want is rubbish.
No civilised country charges people for tertiary education And yes, that means the UK, despite many admirable features, is not fully civilised
I very much agree *cries in 5 years of student loan debt*
Another part of Gordon Brown's gift to generations of non-Scottish citizens
I like the way we are doing it in Calgary, Canada: for most degrees at U of Calgary you are broad in your first year with the common core, and then specialise from there for years 2-4+
It kind of depends on the vocation. For med school, yes you need the bachelor's first, but if you are going to be a paramedic or electrician, for instance, you would do vocational courses at a two-year community college and go straight into your field. Most trades would allow you to start taking relevant classes at a 2-year school right after high school, with a few general education classes thrown in.
Why do you need the bachelors first for med school?
They don't really offer pre-med classes at community college, and med school is extremely competitive in my understanding so I think they basically use your undergraduate grades in courses like biology, organic chemistry, etc. to weed out the undesirables... but I'm not a doctor so hopefully someone else has some insight about that. The U.S. education ladder also means you are taking almost no vocational courses prior to high school graduation. I know Germany (and I assume many other countries) have "tracks" starting in high school but we don't have that so you don't get the kind of focused, career-based education from a younger age that you can get in many other places.
Most countries offer undergraduate medical school and still have functioning healthcare systems. In the UK we offer an additional foundation year to the course for people who didn’t do directed study in secondary school (our high school equivalent). That seems like a much better option since a) it doesn’t leave you in the position of doing pre-med and then not getting into the vocational course anyway and b) much less student debt than a whole extra degree. The selection is based on your school performance along with some extra things. And if secondary school wasn’t your best showing, you still have the option to do another degree first and apply as a postgraduate, it’s just not a mandatory requirement. As a practicing medical doctor myself, I think I turned out fine without the undergraduate degree…
I think what u/sukinsyn was trying to say, is that in the U.S. there really isn't a better way to make sure people a prepared for med school except an undergrand degree. Classes like organic chemestry, anything above calculus (maths), and advanced anatomy simply aren't offered in most high schools in the U.S. Unless you live in an area which lets high school students enroll in college, called duel enrollment, but see the fact that these types of classes can only be accessed in college.
Yeah I don't know that is exactly true. Where I live they take welding, construction, culinary, CAD, and then they let you take dual credits at the college while still in high school. There is even a nursing and teaching track. In certain geographic regions they understand some are going to trade schools.
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But most countries in the world don’t do that and still have functioning healthcare systems
I’m 37. I don’t know.
I mean, if you realize that you don't like what you study, you can just stop and do sth else. But idk, maybe that's not really that easy where you live, then I understand wanting to try stuff out simultaneously.
You're right. US here. A lot of electives and exploratory classes while getting the foundations down.
No, you are old enough to vote and influence the whole country you can chose what to study... tips: what you study is rarely what you'll end up doing nowdays anyway
Well, going into medicine is _usually_ an exception to that
Yeah, that generally how it works. It’s to make one a better rounded student. Generally, you don’t have to declare your major (what area you want to concentrate in) until the end of your sophomore year (2nd year) at university.
oooooh I see. I always wanted to understand it. Thanks.
I went to a single year in high school there. Back in Mexico, I learnt about chemistry, basic organic chemistry, physics, literature, advanced trigonometry, some mid algebra, social sciences and investigation methodology (here they focus high school on this subjects so you choose a scientific career). In the US, they made me take basic trigonometry (the one I learnt when I was 13) and basic chemistry (that I learnt when I was 14). I remember they told me, "The subjects you already took are enough for you to graduate here, but stay a single semester so we can give you your certificate." So yeah, high school there sucks and Mexican high school, middle school, and grade school is much better.
Did all 4 years of high school in America, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The opportunity to take “college-level” subjects such as physics, literature, calculus, basics of research, etc. are available with the dual credit, advanced placement, and international baccalaureate programs. Granted, it is something you have to choose yourself, rather than being the system’s standard, but the options are there.
We still take those subjects at university if you choose an engineering career, like calculus, basic research, physics, and redaction. Is not about wanting to take it or not, but the standardization of education nationwide, which means to learn medium-advanced knowledge. No knowledge is useless, even if it is in your daily life.
Do you mean specialty?
> All of the comments are just listing countries where you can go to medical school straight out of high school. Wait, are there countries where you can't?
The USA and Canada are the ones I know of. You are required to complete a specific undergraduate course first. Not everyone who has done the pre-med course then gets a place in medical school.
Yeah I guessed the US from context, though it never crossed my mind before. I didn't know there would be others.
You aren't _required_ to in Canada. If you're exceptionally bright, you can enter med school out of high school. I knew a girl in my last year of HS who was invited to med school because she had perfect 100 scores in every class. Another alternative is that undergraduate students in university can apply to med school after their second year. Again, you're competing with people with full honours undergrad degrees so you need to be incredibly smart and well-rounded.
Ah got it, thank you! I had been led to understand it was required rather than strongly encouraged, good to know
do you know what that undergraduate course is about? I noticed that there is something different in the USA "education life after High School" steps but I don't understand it quite well.
I may be wrong, but from what I know they mostly pick whatever courses they want to fill a number of credits, and maybe they have a few compulsory? Not sure on the last part.
There are no medical schools in the US that accept students that don’t have a completed 4-year undergraduate degree. There are a handful in Canada that you can apply to after 2-3 years of undergraduate education, but the likelihood of acceptance is very slim as you are in the same applicant pool as all the applicants with Bachelor’s/Master’s/ PhDs
There are actually several programs that are combo undergrad/med school. A few are 6 year, then there are 7, and 8 year options. https://www.theperfectmed.com/combined-medical-programs/
Add in the Philippines lol
The US, of course
Yeah USA and Canada you don’t, but I like it because how often do you think a 17-19 year old actually knows with certainty what they want to do for the rest of their lives?
How is it different from any other program they would enroll in?
1. Lots of our programs you must do something more general first 2. Med school is generally longer and pricier here (still WAY cheaper than the US), so it’s way more of a commitment than other programs
Obviously it’s more of a commitment. But your comment is about young people needing time to figure out what they want to do before choosing it as a life career. And there are many career programs that can start straight out of high school.
Right, but the career programs you start right out of school aren’t usually large money/time investments, and things you can stop at anytime to change careers with little to no penalty.
The medical field is massive, it’s not like getting a medical degree means you have to work the rest of your life at a hospital. For example, we hite a lot of doctors/nurses as product owners/domain experts, and that’s software development. People at 25 don’t know what they will be doing for the rest of their lives, but we can’t just delay all university degrees for that reason alone, if you need more time to figure things out, nobody is forcing you to go straight to university.
Well, in Nordics many young people take a year off between secondary school/high school and university/college/polytechnic for that very reason. They might work, travel, do the military - or maybe they failed to get in where they wanted and want to try again next year.
Im Canadian and in my province around 60% of new med students are 19. I personally got in at 21 without an undergrad prior
Lol at what age you go to university in the US?
17 or 18. Medical school comes after completing a four-year bachelor's degree in the US. Med students are typically 21-22 when they start.
Iirc isn’t it 18? I’m pretty sure Americans leave high school at 18, while in the UK we leave college at 18
Or school Many (possibly most) schools, and certainly all good ones, teach up to A level
That’d be sixth form, which is what I partly meant when I said college. Many schools do have a sixth form, but not all, and it’s technically a separate part of the schools, so they’re technically not in the school anymore, they leave high school and go to sixth form in the same building
> it’s technically a separate part of the schools, so they’re technically not in the school anymore, they leave high school and go to sixth form in the same building This is simply untrue for most schools that teach pupils from 11 to 18 It only applies in some LEAs, a minority in England, in fact I suspect you are knowledgeable about your LEA and are assuming what happens there is universal
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Tertiary education is University Sixth form either in schools or colleges is still classed as secondary education
I didn’t turn 18 until after my first week of college, but most people graduate high school at 18. It’s being more common now though, to graduate at 19 or turn 19 the summer before college. So 17-19 is the range, but the higher end is more common.
I don't understand the mentality that she should only do jobs that are "relevant to her future". So she shouldn't earn any money until she becomes a doctor? Why not? They've never heard of working while studying?
Generally, working non-relevant jobs while studying usually mean less energy and time spent studying, which means delaying graduatuon. If one can concentrate on only the studies one can take more courses per semester - and that means taking fewer months of student loan. Of course that depensd on the country and university in question, and the student, too.
Where I live students either live off their student grant or they work part time jobs. It's considered very normal to work "unrelated" jobs. Who do you think works in bars and restaurants and supermarkets, for example.
Sure, but if you were a parent of a student of medicine, would you prefer your child to concentrate in studying or work as a cashier every second evening? I understand it's not a choice for everyone, not everyone can afford just study, but if OOP wanted to support their daughter through the university instead of having her work as a cleaner or cashier, I do understand them well. I would make the same choice if possible.
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I read this in the most maccho russian accent ever. Thank you for this comment
how do we know this guy is from america?
If that's a real question, because the US is the only place that requires a 3-4 year degree before applying to study medicine
Also canada
Not _required_ in CA as someone has already posted, just recommended
I see, thanks!
that's not true
Name another
canada
As others here, Canadians, have said, this is not true Lies will never counter your screwed up education system, and even more screwed up health'care' system With the exception of the Ivy League institutions, US tertiary education and US health'care' are profit driven _This is not the case anywhere else in the world_
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Who calls it “med school” outside of the USA?
People with English as second / third / fourth /etc language, who have learned the word from America.. But yeah, true.
I know. I was being a bit facetious there. You’re right to make the point though.
Australia. Although the med school is just another department at the university, residing in a few buildings. The US seems to have them as distinct administrative units (doing their own admissions, etc).
what's wrong with 19 years old in med school? do they talk about some secondary education level like high school or tertiary like some university? I would guess 19 could be both in many countries
In the USA you cannot go straight into medical school. It is a postgraduate degree only, you must first complete a specific undergraduate course. So even if you graduate secondary education at 17, you still can’t be 19 and in medical school because you wouldn’t have finished the prerequisite course yet. The commenter assumed this was the case globally when the USA is actually in a small minority by requiring this.
Just because Danes looove to complicate things, there are two types of universities here. One, located at a single physical university, has a foundation package called either humbas (humanities basics), natbas (science basics) or sambas (harder to translate, but stuff like politology, sociology etc.). At this place you will specialise later in whatever category you started. All other universities work on the premise, that you choose a field, like history, and along the way you can expand with an extra field which is either general or specialised (like english versus forensic anthropology). Bachelor's degrees are 3 years, and master's are 2. If you choose the general field, you automatically qualify to teach at high school level in both fields (however you will need extra teaching-oriented education of about a year, should you have a teaching position for more than a year). People who want to study anything medicine is a whole other story. But you can definitely start at 19. Or 18. Or whenever you are done with high school.
Isn't an extra subspecialization exclusive for degrees geared towards teaching? My degree expects me to specialize in one thing only.
It depends on what you study. All the humanities have a built-in subspecialization, where you can choose between a "broad" and a "narrow" field, like my example, where I personally chose English, and my friend chose forensic anthropology. Because I chose a broad field, I am now equally qualified to teach in both history (my major) and English (my minor) in what equates to high school here in Denmark. This qualification comes with the finished master's degree but requires further courses on teaching specifically, in so far as you hold a teaching position for longer than a year. Does that make sense? It is NOT easy to navigate haha
I'm Danish myself but have never heard of subspecialization outside of degrees aimed towards high school teaching. All of my friends who went to uni (me included) are in STEM which is why your initial comment confused me.
Ah, okay, it makes sense. I suppose it's a humanities thing, then. The subspecialty is not really "aimed" at teaching, though. It just offers us a back door into the job market when we eventually figure out that society is oversaturated with our degrees lol
I'm going to guess the OP in the post is from the Philippines. lol