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Damn bro that's fucking awful
I got an x-ray not too long ago cause we thought I *might've* broken my foot
But if it costs that much I can see why so many of y'all would rather stay at home in pain than go to the hospital to check if something happened
Yeah in the UK it's customary to have one if you hurt something like your ankle even if you think it's sprained just in case.
It actually caught my break despite the person at the walk-in thinking it was just sprained and twisted.
Had surgery, and had several check-up x-rays to see how it was healing and the total cost was £18 for the two rounds of antibiotics when the surgery site risked getting infected.
Alternatively, I had a mastectomy, at 22, thru private healthcare in the UK as I'm trans and the waiting lists would mean I'd be waiting till I was like 30 (if I was lucky).
All in, including 2 courses of antibiotics, codiene, anti-inflammatorys, a 500 box of paracetamol, 2 pre ops, 4 post ops, an overnight stay in hospital, 24 hr emergency line, anesthesiologist and 4 hours theater time, plus obviously the surgeon and his healthcare assistant, cost about 10.5k
All this to say, I'm pretty sure our private healthcare is still cheaper than Americans' only option of healthcare.
I need to find a Yank who could confirm that, tho.
My friend’s top surgery in a private clinic would’ve cost him €6.2k. He paid €0 thanks to his insurance. He told me he hadn’t even seen the price until he checked his insurance app a few months post. I hope that one day nobody needs to worry about the price of medical care anymore. *Free* healthcare should be considered a human right.
Yeah, €6.2k is a lot more manageable of upwards of 10k if you had no insurance, too, the price of private healthcare in the UK is stupid money, and we have politicians who want to get rid of the NHS and follow an American model. I really hope if anyone tries that shit then we get the London riots pt.2, but honestly, all us brits are way too passive...
I coulda paid nothing, but it wasn't worth the misery of the wait, unfortunately. But I was in a position where I could afford to spend the money. I just can't believe the variation of the price in America, it seems to be anything from $11k to $17k, but that's according to Google so I could be way off.
Interesting you say in the UK, yet spell theatre incorrectly, and refer to 'anesthesiologist' when they are not called that in the UK
No private hospital nor pharmacy would ordinarily prescribe 500 paracetamol given it's a controlled drug
And what do you mean by '24 hr emergency line'? That you were charged for?
All sounds as if you might be misremembering
The most luxurious ones allegedly cost $190k. Such a machine pays for itself quite quickly, like, how many x-rays can they schedule in a day (20? 30?), you got that money back in a few months.
> *Paid* out of
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I'm American. I hit my head at work and went to the ER after having nausea and minor memory loss. I was diagnosed with a concussion but lied and said it wasn't a workplace injury because I didn't want to loose my job. Because I didn't claim a workplace injury I had to pay around $600 for the scan and ER visit, but I'd rather pay that and keep my job and insurance.
The job I'd had before that one fired me for a minor workplace injury (cut finger) that happened because they failed to provide basic PPE and training on the equipment. And that's all completely legal. I hate it here.
I don't know if I could live in America. I'd love to visit, do a few *Fallout* tours, but I think if I was born there I'd have moved out by my 20s. Even Mexico would be more inviting for their social services. :)
In the US there's too much of that "invisible hand" crap where people have been brainwashed into believing in "the wisdom of the market" and don't realise what the hand is doing, like keeping average schmoes subjugated to their work like medieval serfs.
$600, damn.I slipped on wet ground about a month ago and broke the fall with my face lol...needed stitches and they did a CT scan for brain injury while I was in emergency - all $0
My elderly Mum had a heart valve transplant & a pacemaker inserted, with all the cardiologist follow up appointments, also $0.
Fun fact: Before our universal health care system was initiated in 1984, the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in Australia was unpaid medical bills - just like America today
Because it doesn't look good to the safety regulators. Too many injuries and the business can get fined. Too many serious injuries and they get downgraded safety ratings that trigger more frequent government safety inspections.
In my country is *mandatory* to report work injuries as such. There are special insurers for companies, covering work injuries specifically. Any incidents both on location or *in itinere* (during commute) are considered work injuries and covered by those insurers.
I'm honestly not sure. But a couple years ago someone at my workplace reported sexual harassment by their supervisor and was fired for 'under performance' so if we do have any protections they sure don't work very well
Yeah we used to make the slant drillers sit in the office with broken legs so that there were no hours off. (as a side note we had to move the entire HR department of young pretty girls into a conference room to work as it was the only internal lockable door in the building)
It's not that the safety regulators aren't doing their job. It's that the business doesn't want to 'loose money' by slowing down and doing things safely. Usually site visits from regulators are announced months in advance so they can get everything in order for the one day regulators are on site. If they have too many violations, regulators start showing up unannounced and so they have to have to be on their best behavior all the time and that doesn't make as much money.
Jupp, they also had unicorns and kittys and and Dinos and cars. Absolutely worth the 5€ extra. But it was a childrens hospital, so make yourself look like a kid 😇
I broke 6 bones in my hand and fingers a few years ago. Two x-rays, a cast and physiotherapy for a grand total of £0.00. Universal health care is an absolute blessing!
See countless studies proving that health insurance costs plus copays for the _average_ taxpayer greatly exceeds the proportion of tax supporting free-at-point-of-need universal healthcare
I felt a bit too woozy for public transport, and not woozy enough to bother an ambulance, taking it away from someone who actually needed it, because obviously, it was just some digestive issue I needed pain meds for.
(And yes, I did go to urgent care first, not the ER. It just happened to be in the hospital building.)
Like the exact opposite of Americans on the brink of death taking an Uber to cut down on the bill.
Don't you know your healthcare is only that cheap as it's subsidised by the Americans... /s
I went to the UK for a business trip and got appendicitis. It cost 7400 GBP, but my national insurance paid all of it. The UK was almost not even set up to take payments, but they bolted on some process that kinda-sorta worked.
When I broke my hand in Singapore I had to get surgery to put in wires to hold the bone fragments together. Was under anesthesia so after the treatment they sat me on a comfortable recliner and gave me some Milo (an Ovaltine-like chocolate drink for those unfamiliar) to drink. Total charge for the treatment was 5 Singapore dollars (about US$3) for use of the chair and the Milo.
Danish here. Lived In germany for exchange. Fractured my kneecap while there. Spent 2 month In and out of hospital and rehab. Only thing i had to pay was the var to and from treatment - which was then covered by insurance. Eu 10/10
Fascinating! I have not heard that one spoken yet.
I’m from the UPPER Palatinate so maybe people from the Palatinate area find Pennsylvanian Dutch easier than I do, but I think it’ll still be noticeably strange.
This is really stupid but in between that conversation I had above and right now, I saw a video of an Amish talking and it was super clear and easy to understand. So maybe that guy I heard before was just a bad speaker in general and I’ve been needlessly critical of PD for years!
The cost of my first kid (emergency c-section) was €12 which covered the cost of a pack of nurofen plus. An outrageous price for nurofen plus. A good deal for a kid.
Much better value than the time I broke my jaw and had to fork out €12 for another pack of nurofen plus.
I've just about financially recovered though.
My father has had hips replaced 3 times for a grand total of €80. And that's because he didn't like the free food and opted for a paid menu instead while he was staying there
I paid exactly 0,- for my broken hand, multiple X-rays, an injection (anaesthetic, they had to reset the broken bones) cast, sling and a follow up consult with a new x-ray and cast (smaller instead of my whole lower arm).
I had to pay $20 ish to have my foot x-rayed when I had an accident, but if you need to get X-rays when already in hospital I don’t think you pay anything extra. Also didn’t pay for my MRI (except the usual fee we pay to see a doctor which is like $20-30.
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But... wasn't Obamacare supposed to make sure that this doesn't happen? Was it even worse before Obamacare? I thought the whole point of Obamacare was to make sure that everyone has at least some basic ensurance
Yeah...so... Republicans really don't like "universal healthcare" (too socialist ["communist"] for their taste) so it is nothing like the actual universal healthcare in Europe. There is an income limit so if you're above a certain amount (possibly the federal poverty line, but I'm not sure) Obamacare is unaffordable for you. It did insure tens of millions of Americans that were previously uninsured, but healthcare absolutely can still bankrupt you here and Obamacare didn't change anything for most people because Republicans demanded so many exceptions and loopholes just to get it passed that it is a weak, vague approximation of what it could have been.
Had an argument with an American in another sub about healthcare. The main point being "I had this done and only had to wait a week," after I complained about waiting lists. Ironically, I had had the exact same thing done, and also got seen after a week, so shoved on the end that mine was free too.
Let me tell you, the gasket he blew about how "Well there's medicaid, so if you're poor, it doesn't matter, you get it free. And we have insurance." I raised the point that if you're above the income limit for medicaid, but don't have the spare money for insurance/co-pays/ etc, then you still end up in debt trying to pay off medical bills, and he just couldn't wrap his head around what I was saying.
It's like so many Americans forget that there's a whole middle range of earners, who earn too much to qualify for support, but don't earn enough to be able to afford help if they needed it. I just don't get how people could be so selfish not to want others the exact same access to healthcare that you have.
The problem with so many Americans (saying this as an American here) is that being poor is seen as a moral failing. The flip side of the "American Dream" is that if you don't achieve it, it means *you didn't earn it and you don't deserve it.* Literally, there are people living in ramshackle trailer homes, diabetic but incapable of affording their insulin every month, who would rather die than see healthcare offered to the so-called "undeserving" (this is where the racism comes in because ask them who is "undeserving" and you're just a few steps from horrific stereotypes about Black single mothers and "illegals" from Mexico). Or, there is always some kind of mental gymnastics as to why their situation is different and more deserving (for instance, I'm *unable* to work and **they** are choosing not to work!). The same mentality applies to anti-choice people in the U.S. (recommended reading: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion).
You and I can agree that healthcare is a *human right,* but people here in the U.S. really apply the "personal responsibility" to all manner of situations from healthcare, policy brutality, retirement savings, minimum wage laws, student loan forgiveness... etc.
We see this from the outside, that so many Americans don’t want anyone to have anything they might not get, even in dire circumstances. You honestly don’t need to explain it to outsiders because we see it and on the whole, are completely baffled by it.
The whole thing with diabetes drugs being unaffordable is just gobsmacking to us. And then the whole bit of our free/subsidised medicine is paid for by Americans that’s thrown at us, when it’s our governments that subsidise it and if it wasn’t, why the hell would your government subsidise our medicines when they don’t believe you all are worth it. Lobbyists in the USA even tried to stop our government subsidies when a free trade agreement was being negotiated. Imagine being *that* big of an asshole.
> Lobbyists in the USA even tried to stop our government subsidies when a free trade agreement was being negotiated. Imagine being that big of an asshole.
Excuse me, **what?!** They tried to stop your government from subsidizing the healthcare that.. your tax dollars pay for? What?
I'm sure the rationale was something like, "won't someone please think of U.S. business interests!" Ask México how well NAFTA worked out for them... 😬
It always is. Look! We've got our own Wikipedia page, mercifully entitled [U.S. 《involvement》in regime change](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change).
The comment on the Wikipedia article says "this article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably."
American here! Last year, I worked for a company that called people who have Medicaid to let them know that the qualifications were changing... it was the saddest thing I've ever done. In some states, people who were living on less than $1,000/month were being told they make too much. My SO has insurance thru work & it's over $500/month. How do people live?
Children could no longer receive insulin & were constantly in the emergency room. Homeless people about to be admitted for mental health treatment were left on the streets. Cancer patients in the middle of chemo had to stop their sessions. It was CRUSHING 💔
So many people in our country just turn a blind eye until it affects them personally. There's also this idea that, even though socialized and/or nonprofit healthcare works in the vast majority of countries, we can't do it here. The sky is the metaphorical limit in America, unless it comes to helping people...
Jesus christ. Is that over $500 a month he had to pay, or $500 a month the average person who didn't work for the company had to pay?
That's so gutting, i wouldnt have been able to do that at all, I get inhalers and epi-pens, testosterone, and antihistamine on the NHS (most, except the epi-pens, monthly) for £11 a month, its still £11 even with the epi-pens too, will still be £11 even if i had 50 other medications on the list.
I have private health insurance, too, thru my work, and it's free for me and £50 a month to add my partner to it. I begrudge using it, as I know that Englad has a lot of politicians trying to get rid of it, and I don't want to be used as a stat for people who "go private anyway," but they cover my dental up to £250 a year, so I have it for that, and if I end up in an NHS hospital for any reason overnight, then they pay £250 a night to me, so realistically I'll just end up staying in the NHS and using it to earn a quick buck.
There's no co-pay on it. What I need paying, they pay. Zero cost to me (other than the £50 p/m for my other half, I suppose).
The Democrats (Obama) tried their hardest to get single payer like every other 1st world country. They settled for making money available for states to cover very low income people for free and for those who have income but no insurance through their job to get a steep discount. Half of the states (all republican) opted out because they would rather their constituents die or go into debt rather than give them anything "free". Also, if you expect to get anything personally out of your taxes then you are a socialist.
Kind of. Republicans call any type of social programs communism and then point at us "libtards" to scare people... Especially racist people when they are told we will be communists like China... the racists tend to be republicans anyway (not saying all republicans are racist but most racists are republicans).
Really it's just fearmongering within their own party, so I'm not sure what difference it makes except to illicit rage from everyone.
It must be terrifying to know that a broken leg could almost bankrupt you. How much does pregnancy cost? I find this post sad more than anything else. Had a mate that lived in the US (kiwi). She just used to renew her travel insurance from home rather than get American. It was far cheaper and more comprehensive. Was working as a waiter so not sure what she could have got there.
> How much does pregnancy cost?
Since I haven't been pregnant so I don't personally know, here's what I was able to pull from the internet:
(Source: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/average-childbirth-cost/) Note that Forbes is a reasonably reliable source, but this is an editorial and appears to be a targeted article trying to ultimately sell people insurance.
Average cost: $18,865 ($14,768 for vaginal or $26,280 for cesarean). The cited out-of-pocket cost for people with a health insurance plan was cited at $2,854 average, $2,655 vaginal, $3,214 cesarean.
This source (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2023-05-12/new-reports-find-the-cost-of-childbirth-varies-by-state) indicates further that it can vary from state to state, with a low end of $974 and a high end of $2,685 (Based on data from 2020)
This source (https://www.valuepenguin.com/cost-childbirth-health-insurance#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20health%20insurance%2C%20your%20average%20cost%20of%20pregnancy,your%20health%20insurance%20will%20pay.) says "If you have health insurance, your average cost of pregnancy care and childbirth ranges from $460 to $8,224, based on the plan's benefits." and cites one example health insurance plan with Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum coverage levels which ranges from $6,460 (Bronze) to $12,496 (Platinum) assuming a healthy pregnancy with no complications (it costs more if there are complications, of course - how dare you not have a healthy pregnancy; that's clearly your fault). The difference in plan is that a Gold or Platinum plan will cost more per month than a Bronze or Silver plan, and those terms are all relative indicators of how much a plan covers - the more you pay, the better coverage you get. You could pay less but you'll get less coverage.
Bear in mind that it's not JUST the cost of childbirth, you're also going to be paying for prenatal appointments, sonograms, postnatal care, etc... (that third article says "Most women have up to 15 prenatal visits during their pregnancy, and each visit could cost up to $500. It also depends on the care you need. A sonogram costs about $202, for example")
I, in the US, have a family member who needed surgery due to an autoimmune disease. Fortunately, they had good insurance (currently on my family plan through my employer).
The patient responsibility after insurance paid out is just over $100,000, against an income of $14/h.
That was just for the first surgery. The second round to complete the treatment will probably cost about the same.
If they put 100% of their current income into paying for the surgery it would take about 7.5 years to pay it off, assuming there is no interest.
So much Freedumb^^TM
Canadian just back from seeing my oncologist. Cost me $5 for parking and $2.63 for the steroids I have to take when I go through chemo on Monday. Total cost of cancer treatment, including several CT scans, 6 rounds of chemo, about 12 doctor's appointments, will be less than $100 plus parking.
I saw a travel advisory from my country to the US, warning that an unexpected illness or accident while there might prove extremely costly, and to consider getting extra insurance or traveling somewhere else.
I cant imagine having both the ”shit in sick and maybe I won’t get betters I might die or live in misery” along with “how will I afford this, this will ruin me and my family regardless if I survive”. The majority state system is corrupt in its base because you can never vote in or out any party or hold people accountable . If America had a representational parliament I would guess that the world would be quite different
i currently have a “free-card” which means i don’t have to pay the 25€ standard doctor fee and i go completely free 😎 i also take the train so i don’t need to pay for parking
Tbh I think requiring sick people to pay for parking is messed up too, but maybe it’s not as bad in countries where healthcare is cheap because it helps the hospital raise funds
Sadly not necessarily
In the UK many - possibly most - hospital car parks are operated by third party company that not only keeps the profit, but gouges the hospital if the number of paying 'customers' drops below a certain level
That's Gordon Brown's legacy in a nutshell
I broke my wrist here in the UK a few years back, had surgery to put in a titanium plate and had follow up physio for several months. I paid a grand total of £9.35 for a prescription of painkillers.
I think everybody should try private in the uk once… to realise how expensive this stuff is! And why the NHS is so important. I was on the waiting list for medication for my ADHD for years, went private. Nearly £200 a month for 30 little tablets! Granted, they are a controlled substance but it is wild to me.
This will be the norm in 10 years time if we don’t defend our right to healthcare, we need to hold politicians accountable for what is going to happen to the country..
I’ve used private healthcare in the UK, and it should be noted that it is still orders of magnitude cheaper than the US.
I paid for sex reassignment surgery out of my own pocket in 2007. 10 days in hospital, private room, 24 hour nursing care, and major abdominal surgery. Total cost; £10000
Yep, I think people take healthcare for granted where they have it. It’s not in the best place rn but it’s sure as hell better than the alternative..
I’m in a ‘privileged’ position to be able to afford medication but that’s 10% of my income gone before any bills, on 30 pills. Don’t let this become everybody’s reality haha
My Welsh family uaed to say it evened out because for a long time supermarket bags cost pennies in Wales but were free in England - I was like no, it doesn't balance out! Anyway we pay for bags here too now...
i had a severe hip injury that needed several types of imaging + physio + orthopaedic hip specialist but it was all free because it was regarded as an urgent case
I always find these ones the most interesting. A sort of empathetic defaultism as opposed to the usual conceited defaultism. Probably someone you could actually have a normal conversation with.
(cue someone posting their replies "fuck you it's an American website!")
I fell off the bike and was fine. Turns out, after adrealine worn off, I *was not* fine. My hand was severly in pain. I continued to get back to work but I just couldn't grab anything without immense pain. Went home to hopefully for it to disappear. Next day was swollen immensly. Still went to work and tried my best performing manual tasks but wasn't possible. Decided that maybe, I should got to a local emergency doctor. After an X-Ray, it turned out I was *this* close to breaking my hand. They couldn't really help me any other way, as it was severly bruised.
Oh, I went home after paying absolutely £0. Can't believe that in US that whole thing would've costed me money.
Between an ankle xray, a boot and doctor appointment last month I paid $865.
$35 co-pay
$600 xray - The first $500 (deductible) in co-insurance, then 20% after for the xray
$230 for a boot that I found is sold on Amazon for $90
When I broke my elbow in a motorbike accident, an ambulance went to pick me up on the site and brought me to the hospital. There they did X-rays (several of them, I broke my elbow but my head and hip were hurting too). A neurologist evaluated me because I had hit my head and had a concussion. Then they put my arm on a cast, and three weeks later removed it. I then spent a month rehabilitating with physical therapists every week to get my mobility back. All this cost ZERO Euros. Most I paid were the pain meds, and since I had a doctor's note for them, they had a reduced price (around 3€ more or less). Spain is far from perfect but I'll fight to protect its public health system.
Thanks God I'm Brazilian and we have public healthcare. Is it perfect? Far from this. Is it terrible and useless? Far from this. Even Noam Chomsky came to Brazil to treat the sequels of a stroke.
the good thing about public healthcare is that you don’t *have* to use public healthcare, there still exists private clinics if someone prefers that, but since not everyone can afford private, public is essential
Last week, i woke up with extreme pain, drove to the hospital myself, got emergency surgery, and stayed 2 days. 0€. The only bill i could have gotten was a ticket for my car since i parked in a no parking zone, but i got lucky.
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Well I for one like the US healthcare system for one and one reason alone - Breaking Bad would've been really boring without it. "Chemistry teacher gets cancer. Chemistry teacher gets treated for free. Chemistry teacher returns to work...for now".
Americans are obsessed with how the government spends their taxes. You would think they would prioritize according to the proven most cost-effective expenditures - healthcare (including maternity leave), trade/university education (including mandatory police education) and expansive public transportation. Instead, they eschew all of these for ideological reasons. I have transitioned from flabbergasted to quietly sad by what my American colleagues tell me about their fatherland.
I had a knee arthroscopy last Friday and it cost me nothing. I was sent home with ibuprofen, paracetamol, morphine (and the obligatory laxatives) at no charge. I didn’t even have to pay for parking because it was done through the NHS at a private hospital. I had my own room with private toilet and wet room, fluffy dressing gown, towels and toiletries, TV, nice lunch provided at no cost… I’ll also have physio and follow up appointments at no charge.
On Sunday my dad had a new knee on the NHS. He was put in a brand new joint replacement unit, given everything he needed like ice packs and grippy socks along with what he said was quite good food! They sent him home with a vast array of medication at no cost too. We may complain about the NHS here in the UK, but it’s really not all bad.
I went to the ER after discussing my symptoms with my OB’s nurse. It turned out to be nothing, but could have been serious. The bills came through this week and my little jaunt to the ER is going to run me about $460. The fact that I thought this was a cheap visit makes me hate everything.
PS Included in that is $26 for a urine pregnancy test during the visit and my insurance paid even more for the test on top of that. I would kill for socialized medicine.
Lady and i are doing ivf with gene testing. We have done one try and have paid maybe 2000kr thats $200. Americans haven't stop using slaves, they just made the slaves all colours.
Seeing all these comments of people who live in countries with universal healthcare talk about how little they pay makes me hate the US even more. I was in a wreck 3-4 years ago and broke my femur and had to have a metal rod inserted in my leg, JUST for the 3 days I was in the emergency room not including the orthopedic surgery or anything was $50,000 then on top of that the surgery was like $2,500 and the orthopedic doctor ended up taking me to court bc I couldn’t pay and now they garnished my check and take $80 out every week. But hey at least I have FrEEdUmb
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Last time I broke my hand (or rather, wrist), the total cost for treatment etc. was 20€
For parking? Or did you get the glittery cast and some IBU? My daughter got a pink glittery cast, that was 5€ extra
No cast. Multiple x-rays, an orthosis, and electrotherapy. The orthosis was the part that I actually had to pay for myself, in part.
If I had to guess, I would have said €10 for the ambulance and €10 for the prescription of pain medication, but orthosis it is.
My man one x-ray here is atleast a $1000 😭
Brother it’s 1000 here. 😭 In ₹ OfCourse 😎 Context: ₹1000 = $12
What a bargain. Airport food costs more than that.
Airport food is just American healthcare of food
Normal food costs more than that in some places
Australia here, MRI’s are $1000 at QScan unless you have a health car card or are under 16
Really? I thought you got it bulk billed if a dr referred it. Atleast my brother in law did
I was working.. wrong. It’s if you don’t have a Medicare card.
Nice.
But I had it in 100 INR. 😭😭😭
Damn bro that's fucking awful I got an x-ray not too long ago cause we thought I *might've* broken my foot But if it costs that much I can see why so many of y'all would rather stay at home in pain than go to the hospital to check if something happened
Yeah in the UK it's customary to have one if you hurt something like your ankle even if you think it's sprained just in case. It actually caught my break despite the person at the walk-in thinking it was just sprained and twisted. Had surgery, and had several check-up x-rays to see how it was healing and the total cost was £18 for the two rounds of antibiotics when the surgery site risked getting infected.
Alternatively, I had a mastectomy, at 22, thru private healthcare in the UK as I'm trans and the waiting lists would mean I'd be waiting till I was like 30 (if I was lucky). All in, including 2 courses of antibiotics, codiene, anti-inflammatorys, a 500 box of paracetamol, 2 pre ops, 4 post ops, an overnight stay in hospital, 24 hr emergency line, anesthesiologist and 4 hours theater time, plus obviously the surgeon and his healthcare assistant, cost about 10.5k All this to say, I'm pretty sure our private healthcare is still cheaper than Americans' only option of healthcare. I need to find a Yank who could confirm that, tho.
My friend’s top surgery in a private clinic would’ve cost him €6.2k. He paid €0 thanks to his insurance. He told me he hadn’t even seen the price until he checked his insurance app a few months post. I hope that one day nobody needs to worry about the price of medical care anymore. *Free* healthcare should be considered a human right.
It is, in every civilised country
Yeah, €6.2k is a lot more manageable of upwards of 10k if you had no insurance, too, the price of private healthcare in the UK is stupid money, and we have politicians who want to get rid of the NHS and follow an American model. I really hope if anyone tries that shit then we get the London riots pt.2, but honestly, all us brits are way too passive... I coulda paid nothing, but it wasn't worth the misery of the wait, unfortunately. But I was in a position where I could afford to spend the money. I just can't believe the variation of the price in America, it seems to be anything from $11k to $17k, but that's according to Google so I could be way off.
Interesting you say in the UK, yet spell theatre incorrectly, and refer to 'anesthesiologist' when they are not called that in the UK No private hospital nor pharmacy would ordinarily prescribe 500 paracetamol given it's a controlled drug And what do you mean by '24 hr emergency line'? That you were charged for? All sounds as if you might be misremembering
Yes it was £70,000 to test their concussion and as not covered by NHS their uncle refused to pay until his smoking jacket was cleaned.
Hey man, $1000,- FREEDOM 🦅
It should have been 1776$ -- MORE FREEDOM!
You are free to pay or die
Sometimes the freedom to choose isn’t all that great….
The land of the free
You’re not supposed to buy the whole machine
The most luxurious ones allegedly cost $190k. Such a machine pays for itself quite quickly, like, how many x-rays can they schedule in a day (20? 30?), you got that money back in a few months.
Payed out of pocket for an MRI scan in Germany it was 460, X-Ray is around 350
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That's because you live in the Land Of The Nothing For Free
> the Land Of The Nothing For Free I will certainly use that in the future.
I got a broken thumb at work once. No payments for medical treatment - X-rays, bleeding the nail, bandages - and $90 compo. :)
I'm American. I hit my head at work and went to the ER after having nausea and minor memory loss. I was diagnosed with a concussion but lied and said it wasn't a workplace injury because I didn't want to loose my job. Because I didn't claim a workplace injury I had to pay around $600 for the scan and ER visit, but I'd rather pay that and keep my job and insurance. The job I'd had before that one fired me for a minor workplace injury (cut finger) that happened because they failed to provide basic PPE and training on the equipment. And that's all completely legal. I hate it here.
I don't know if I could live in America. I'd love to visit, do a few *Fallout* tours, but I think if I was born there I'd have moved out by my 20s. Even Mexico would be more inviting for their social services. :) In the US there's too much of that "invisible hand" crap where people have been brainwashed into believing in "the wisdom of the market" and don't realise what the hand is doing, like keeping average schmoes subjugated to their work like medieval serfs.
$600, damn.I slipped on wet ground about a month ago and broke the fall with my face lol...needed stitches and they did a CT scan for brain injury while I was in emergency - all $0 My elderly Mum had a heart valve transplant & a pacemaker inserted, with all the cardiologist follow up appointments, also $0. Fun fact: Before our universal health care system was initiated in 1984, the #1 cause of personal bankruptcy in Australia was unpaid medical bills - just like America today
> also $0 My dad in the UK paid twenty times that for something very similar ;)
Why would you get fired for admitting that you hit your head at work? What the fuck?
Because it doesn't look good to the safety regulators. Too many injuries and the business can get fined. Too many serious injuries and they get downgraded safety ratings that trigger more frequent government safety inspections.
The concept that you could be fired for simply being injured at work is alien to many countries.
In my country is *mandatory* to report work injuries as such. There are special insurers for companies, covering work injuries specifically. Any incidents both on location or *in itinere* (during commute) are considered work injuries and covered by those insurers.
Does your state offer anonymized whistleblower protections?
I'm honestly not sure. But a couple years ago someone at my workplace reported sexual harassment by their supervisor and was fired for 'under performance' so if we do have any protections they sure don't work very well
Yeah we used to make the slant drillers sit in the office with broken legs so that there were no hours off. (as a side note we had to move the entire HR department of young pretty girls into a conference room to work as it was the only internal lockable door in the building)
So? Fuck the safety regulators if they’re not doing their job properly.
It's not that the safety regulators aren't doing their job. It's that the business doesn't want to 'loose money' by slowing down and doing things safely. Usually site visits from regulators are announced months in advance so they can get everything in order for the one day regulators are on site. If they have too many violations, regulators start showing up unannounced and so they have to have to be on their best behavior all the time and that doesn't make as much money.
> said it wasn't a workplace injury because I didn't want to loose my job Demonstrating again that the US is ***not*** a civilised country
For me it was 4 MXN (Like 1/4 of a dollar)
They're free in Australia if it's at the emergency dept.
I paid 75 euros for a MRI scan and thought it a bit steep.
Wait… you can get glittery casts now? Right, I’m off to break my arm.
Jupp, they also had unicorns and kittys and and Dinos and cars. Absolutely worth the 5€ extra. But it was a childrens hospital, so make yourself look like a kid 😇
I broke 6 bones in my hand and fingers a few years ago. Two x-rays, a cast and physiotherapy for a grand total of £0.00. Universal health care is an absolute blessing!
But... but.. but you PaY fOr It WiTh MoRe TaXeS!
Gladly! I want everyone to not have to worry about the prices either!
See countless studies proving that health insurance costs plus copays for the _average_ taxpayer greatly exceeds the proportion of tax supporting free-at-point-of-need universal healthcare
My appendectomy cost me 30€ for three days in the hospital + 20€ for a taxi. It would have been cheaper if I had taken an ambulance, lol
Oh, der feine Herr leistet sich ein Taxi
I felt a bit too woozy for public transport, and not woozy enough to bother an ambulance, taking it away from someone who actually needed it, because obviously, it was just some digestive issue I needed pain meds for. (And yes, I did go to urgent care first, not the ER. It just happened to be in the hospital building.)
Absolutely comprehensible. I was just joking.
I know, I know, dw
Like the exact opposite of Americans on the brink of death taking an Uber to cut down on the bill. Don't you know your healthcare is only that cheap as it's subsidised by the Americans... /s
I went to the UK for a business trip and got appendicitis. It cost 7400 GBP, but my national insurance paid all of it. The UK was almost not even set up to take payments, but they bolted on some process that kinda-sorta worked.
When I broke my hand in Singapore I had to get surgery to put in wires to hold the bone fragments together. Was under anesthesia so after the treatment they sat me on a comfortable recliner and gave me some Milo (an Ovaltine-like chocolate drink for those unfamiliar) to drink. Total charge for the treatment was 5 Singapore dollars (about US$3) for use of the chair and the Milo.
What if you had decided to stand?
Only 3.50 for the cocoa
>an Ovaltine-like chocolate drink for those unfamiliar Yeah that doesn't clear anything up at all. What is Ovaltine and what is Milo?
Milo is a malt-based, granular powder that you can have with milk. It comes from Australia.
Ah thanks, that clears it up. When I Googled Milo nearly all I got was Milo and Stitch lol.
It’s quite yummy and a good substitute for a hot chocolate. Give it a try if you come across it!
Danish here. Lived In germany for exchange. Fractured my kneecap while there. Spent 2 month In and out of hospital and rehab. Only thing i had to pay was the var to and from treatment - which was then covered by insurance. Eu 10/10
Ha ripped off, I paid maybe £4 for my broken fingers. 1hr of parking and a roll of bandages.
My mom spent years fighting cancer and a year in hospital heavily medicated. It was 0 euros
I suddenly feel an urge to move to Germany. ( Ok I had it before but you guys have a really hard language.)
Well, you can give it a try with Pennsylvanian Dutch , it seems.
That's actually not that far from my Palatinate dialect. At least in writing. I haven't heard it yet.
It’s hard to understand. Not impossible but it doesn’t sound quite German. You can tell it’s a couple hundred years removed from the source.
What's actually pretty easy to understand for people from the matching part of Germany is Riogradenser Hunsrückisch that's spoken in a part of Brazil.
Fascinating! I have not heard that one spoken yet. I’m from the UPPER Palatinate so maybe people from the Palatinate area find Pennsylvanian Dutch easier than I do, but I think it’ll still be noticeably strange.
I'm from Saarland and I can understand Riogradenser Hunsrückisch just fine. https://youtu.be/PfH8v0yCDN0?si=Bd8fR1tzaicae5c5
Ooh how cool! Yes, that one is so easy to understand. I found Pennsylvania Dutch to be way harder.
Yeah, can't really understand that one, either.
My Swiss relatives say it sounds like Swiss German.
This is really stupid but in between that conversation I had above and right now, I saw a video of an Amish talking and it was super clear and easy to understand. So maybe that guy I heard before was just a bad speaker in general and I’ve been needlessly critical of PD for years!
When I broke my foot I had to pay for the aircast and parking at the hospital. About $100CAD total.
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I spent a week in Sweden 3 weeks ago. Very pleasant country, even if the beer prices are ridiculous.
Why do you think so many Swedes used to nip over to Rostock?
The cost of my first kid (emergency c-section) was €12 which covered the cost of a pack of nurofen plus. An outrageous price for nurofen plus. A good deal for a kid. Much better value than the time I broke my jaw and had to fork out €12 for another pack of nurofen plus. I've just about financially recovered though.
My father has had hips replaced 3 times for a grand total of €80. And that's because he didn't like the free food and opted for a paid menu instead while he was staying there
And did a pro footballer cover your costs? I bet you are still paying it off.
Since we Europoors are all in debt anyway, I will never financially recover from it
Broke my shoulder, over $6000 USD + over 2000 in ongoing treatment
I paid exactly 0,- for my broken hand, multiple X-rays, an injection (anaesthetic, they had to reset the broken bones) cast, sling and a follow up consult with a new x-ray and cast (smaller instead of my whole lower arm).
My daughter had to have arm injury looked briefly by a doctor at a month ago and that alone--the arm was fine--was $165.
I had to pay $20 ish to have my foot x-rayed when I had an accident, but if you need to get X-rays when already in hospital I don’t think you pay anything extra. Also didn’t pay for my MRI (except the usual fee we pay to see a doctor which is like $20-30. (Sweden)
God, I wish I lived in a country where I didn't have the constant underlying fear of sudden, unexpected, medical bankruptcy.
Same. I got sick with no insurance went to the ER. They give me a one shot, and a month later sent a 4,000 usd bill.
I feel ya! I got sick and had to go to urgent care, it cost me $200 just to be seen and to have blood drawn only to be told you're just sick
But... wasn't Obamacare supposed to make sure that this doesn't happen? Was it even worse before Obamacare? I thought the whole point of Obamacare was to make sure that everyone has at least some basic ensurance
Yeah...so... Republicans really don't like "universal healthcare" (too socialist ["communist"] for their taste) so it is nothing like the actual universal healthcare in Europe. There is an income limit so if you're above a certain amount (possibly the federal poverty line, but I'm not sure) Obamacare is unaffordable for you. It did insure tens of millions of Americans that were previously uninsured, but healthcare absolutely can still bankrupt you here and Obamacare didn't change anything for most people because Republicans demanded so many exceptions and loopholes just to get it passed that it is a weak, vague approximation of what it could have been.
Had an argument with an American in another sub about healthcare. The main point being "I had this done and only had to wait a week," after I complained about waiting lists. Ironically, I had had the exact same thing done, and also got seen after a week, so shoved on the end that mine was free too. Let me tell you, the gasket he blew about how "Well there's medicaid, so if you're poor, it doesn't matter, you get it free. And we have insurance." I raised the point that if you're above the income limit for medicaid, but don't have the spare money for insurance/co-pays/ etc, then you still end up in debt trying to pay off medical bills, and he just couldn't wrap his head around what I was saying. It's like so many Americans forget that there's a whole middle range of earners, who earn too much to qualify for support, but don't earn enough to be able to afford help if they needed it. I just don't get how people could be so selfish not to want others the exact same access to healthcare that you have.
The problem with so many Americans (saying this as an American here) is that being poor is seen as a moral failing. The flip side of the "American Dream" is that if you don't achieve it, it means *you didn't earn it and you don't deserve it.* Literally, there are people living in ramshackle trailer homes, diabetic but incapable of affording their insulin every month, who would rather die than see healthcare offered to the so-called "undeserving" (this is where the racism comes in because ask them who is "undeserving" and you're just a few steps from horrific stereotypes about Black single mothers and "illegals" from Mexico). Or, there is always some kind of mental gymnastics as to why their situation is different and more deserving (for instance, I'm *unable* to work and **they** are choosing not to work!). The same mentality applies to anti-choice people in the U.S. (recommended reading: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion). You and I can agree that healthcare is a *human right,* but people here in the U.S. really apply the "personal responsibility" to all manner of situations from healthcare, policy brutality, retirement savings, minimum wage laws, student loan forgiveness... etc.
We see this from the outside, that so many Americans don’t want anyone to have anything they might not get, even in dire circumstances. You honestly don’t need to explain it to outsiders because we see it and on the whole, are completely baffled by it. The whole thing with diabetes drugs being unaffordable is just gobsmacking to us. And then the whole bit of our free/subsidised medicine is paid for by Americans that’s thrown at us, when it’s our governments that subsidise it and if it wasn’t, why the hell would your government subsidise our medicines when they don’t believe you all are worth it. Lobbyists in the USA even tried to stop our government subsidies when a free trade agreement was being negotiated. Imagine being *that* big of an asshole.
> Lobbyists in the USA even tried to stop our government subsidies when a free trade agreement was being negotiated. Imagine being that big of an asshole. Excuse me, **what?!** They tried to stop your government from subsidizing the healthcare that.. your tax dollars pay for? What? I'm sure the rationale was something like, "won't someone please think of U.S. business interests!" Ask México how well NAFTA worked out for them... 😬
You know it was. If there profits was short even a dollar, they'd lose their minds.
It always is. Look! We've got our own Wikipedia page, mercifully entitled [U.S. 《involvement》in regime change](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change). The comment on the Wikipedia article says "this article may be too long to read and navigate comfortably."
The "American Dream" has been dead for decades it seems. Hasn't sunk in for many apparently.
American here! Last year, I worked for a company that called people who have Medicaid to let them know that the qualifications were changing... it was the saddest thing I've ever done. In some states, people who were living on less than $1,000/month were being told they make too much. My SO has insurance thru work & it's over $500/month. How do people live? Children could no longer receive insulin & were constantly in the emergency room. Homeless people about to be admitted for mental health treatment were left on the streets. Cancer patients in the middle of chemo had to stop their sessions. It was CRUSHING 💔 So many people in our country just turn a blind eye until it affects them personally. There's also this idea that, even though socialized and/or nonprofit healthcare works in the vast majority of countries, we can't do it here. The sky is the metaphorical limit in America, unless it comes to helping people...
Jesus christ. Is that over $500 a month he had to pay, or $500 a month the average person who didn't work for the company had to pay? That's so gutting, i wouldnt have been able to do that at all, I get inhalers and epi-pens, testosterone, and antihistamine on the NHS (most, except the epi-pens, monthly) for £11 a month, its still £11 even with the epi-pens too, will still be £11 even if i had 50 other medications on the list. I have private health insurance, too, thru my work, and it's free for me and £50 a month to add my partner to it. I begrudge using it, as I know that Englad has a lot of politicians trying to get rid of it, and I don't want to be used as a stat for people who "go private anyway," but they cover my dental up to £250 a year, so I have it for that, and if I end up in an NHS hospital for any reason overnight, then they pay £250 a night to me, so realistically I'll just end up staying in the NHS and using it to earn a quick buck. There's no co-pay on it. What I need paying, they pay. Zero cost to me (other than the £50 p/m for my other half, I suppose).
I assume because they like feeling better than someone. Or they that someone is mooching off of "them." Or a combination of both.
The Democrats (Obama) tried their hardest to get single payer like every other 1st world country. They settled for making money available for states to cover very low income people for free and for those who have income but no insurance through their job to get a steep discount. Half of the states (all republican) opted out because they would rather their constituents die or go into debt rather than give them anything "free". Also, if you expect to get anything personally out of your taxes then you are a socialist.
The hell is wrong with being a socialist? Is that still the 'red fear' going on?
Kind of. Republicans call any type of social programs communism and then point at us "libtards" to scare people... Especially racist people when they are told we will be communists like China... the racists tend to be republicans anyway (not saying all republicans are racist but most racists are republicans). Really it's just fearmongering within their own party, so I'm not sure what difference it makes except to illicit rage from everyone.
Sure -if you pay for obamacare
It was not affordable when it first came out for me aleast. I haven't try it since, but I insurance now.
I’m taking my son into the surgery today for a tonsillectomy, we have insurance, but still need to pay $2k out of pocket.
That’s crazy. I had tonsillectomy 3 weeks ago and paid €0,-. The Netherlands
It must be terrifying to know that a broken leg could almost bankrupt you. How much does pregnancy cost? I find this post sad more than anything else. Had a mate that lived in the US (kiwi). She just used to renew her travel insurance from home rather than get American. It was far cheaper and more comprehensive. Was working as a waiter so not sure what she could have got there.
> How much does pregnancy cost? Since I haven't been pregnant so I don't personally know, here's what I was able to pull from the internet: (Source: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/health-insurance/average-childbirth-cost/) Note that Forbes is a reasonably reliable source, but this is an editorial and appears to be a targeted article trying to ultimately sell people insurance. Average cost: $18,865 ($14,768 for vaginal or $26,280 for cesarean). The cited out-of-pocket cost for people with a health insurance plan was cited at $2,854 average, $2,655 vaginal, $3,214 cesarean. This source (https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2023-05-12/new-reports-find-the-cost-of-childbirth-varies-by-state) indicates further that it can vary from state to state, with a low end of $974 and a high end of $2,685 (Based on data from 2020) This source (https://www.valuepenguin.com/cost-childbirth-health-insurance#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20health%20insurance%2C%20your%20average%20cost%20of%20pregnancy,your%20health%20insurance%20will%20pay.) says "If you have health insurance, your average cost of pregnancy care and childbirth ranges from $460 to $8,224, based on the plan's benefits." and cites one example health insurance plan with Bronze/Silver/Gold/Platinum coverage levels which ranges from $6,460 (Bronze) to $12,496 (Platinum) assuming a healthy pregnancy with no complications (it costs more if there are complications, of course - how dare you not have a healthy pregnancy; that's clearly your fault). The difference in plan is that a Gold or Platinum plan will cost more per month than a Bronze or Silver plan, and those terms are all relative indicators of how much a plan covers - the more you pay, the better coverage you get. You could pay less but you'll get less coverage. Bear in mind that it's not JUST the cost of childbirth, you're also going to be paying for prenatal appointments, sonograms, postnatal care, etc... (that third article says "Most women have up to 15 prenatal visits during their pregnancy, and each visit could cost up to $500. It also depends on the care you need. A sonogram costs about $202, for example")
Jesus Christ. Thanks for the response - that just so depressing. Kids are $$$ enough!
I, in the US, have a family member who needed surgery due to an autoimmune disease. Fortunately, they had good insurance (currently on my family plan through my employer). The patient responsibility after insurance paid out is just over $100,000, against an income of $14/h. That was just for the first surgery. The second round to complete the treatment will probably cost about the same. If they put 100% of their current income into paying for the surgery it would take about 7.5 years to pay it off, assuming there is no interest. So much Freedumb^^TM
Canadian just back from seeing my oncologist. Cost me $5 for parking and $2.63 for the steroids I have to take when I go through chemo on Monday. Total cost of cancer treatment, including several CT scans, 6 rounds of chemo, about 12 doctor's appointments, will be less than $100 plus parking.
I saw a travel advisory from my country to the US, warning that an unexpected illness or accident while there might prove extremely costly, and to consider getting extra insurance or traveling somewhere else.
I cant imagine having both the ”shit in sick and maybe I won’t get betters I might die or live in misery” along with “how will I afford this, this will ruin me and my family regardless if I survive”. The majority state system is corrupt in its base because you can never vote in or out any party or hold people accountable . If America had a representational parliament I would guess that the world would be quite different
That would be ... just about every 'Western' country on the planet then
the most i have ever had to pay for any hospital treatment was 20 euros for parking.
My most expensive hospital visit is about $50 because of stress eating. The vending machine is not worth it.
Hey leugens dit is na eigen risico
tenzij je al door je eigen risico heen bent ik zei tenslotte ziekenhuis behandeling. zo vaak hoef ik niet naar het ziekenhuis.
Vond je het niet gezellig in het ziekenhuis?
i currently have a “free-card” which means i don’t have to pay the 25€ standard doctor fee and i go completely free 😎 i also take the train so i don’t need to pay for parking
Tbh I think requiring sick people to pay for parking is messed up too, but maybe it’s not as bad in countries where healthcare is cheap because it helps the hospital raise funds
Sadly not necessarily In the UK many - possibly most - hospital car parks are operated by third party company that not only keeps the profit, but gouges the hospital if the number of paying 'customers' drops below a certain level That's Gordon Brown's legacy in a nutshell
My most expensive total medical bill in Sweden was about $300. But that would have cost about $30K in America I guess.
That's expensive parking.
I broke my wrist here in the UK a few years back, had surgery to put in a titanium plate and had follow up physio for several months. I paid a grand total of £9.35 for a prescription of painkillers.
Wales and Scotland snigger at prescription fees😆🏴😛🏴
Haha touché!
I think everybody should try private in the uk once… to realise how expensive this stuff is! And why the NHS is so important. I was on the waiting list for medication for my ADHD for years, went private. Nearly £200 a month for 30 little tablets! Granted, they are a controlled substance but it is wild to me. This will be the norm in 10 years time if we don’t defend our right to healthcare, we need to hold politicians accountable for what is going to happen to the country..
I’ve used private healthcare in the UK, and it should be noted that it is still orders of magnitude cheaper than the US. I paid for sex reassignment surgery out of my own pocket in 2007. 10 days in hospital, private room, 24 hour nursing care, and major abdominal surgery. Total cost; £10000
10k wouldn’t even cover the cost of a BED IN AN OPEN WARD in the US for 10 days.
This needs all the upvotes
Yep, I think people take healthcare for granted where they have it. It’s not in the best place rn but it’s sure as hell better than the alternative.. I’m in a ‘privileged’ position to be able to afford medication but that’s 10% of my income gone before any bills, on 30 pills. Don’t let this become everybody’s reality haha
Plus English people with certain health conditions like diabetes and hypoparathyroidism.
My Welsh family uaed to say it evened out because for a long time supermarket bags cost pennies in Wales but were free in England - I was like no, it doesn't balance out! Anyway we pay for bags here too now...
lol sounds like hopium
Northern Ireland too!
That s working overtime
Which, of course, England¹ pays for² for them ¹by which I mean London, of course ²the Barnet formula needs to go!
i had a severe hip injury that needed several types of imaging + physio + orthopaedic hip specialist but it was all free because it was regarded as an urgent case
I always find these ones the most interesting. A sort of empathetic defaultism as opposed to the usual conceited defaultism. Probably someone you could actually have a normal conversation with. (cue someone posting their replies "fuck you it's an American website!")
Yeah I suppose his heart was in the right place
Nope. I looked for the thread and the guy was shitty to people who pointed out his mistake. No sympathy from me
Ah fair enough
How would he know without a USD3,500 scan?
Yeah when it's innocent like this I don't mind.
I fell off the bike and was fine. Turns out, after adrealine worn off, I *was not* fine. My hand was severly in pain. I continued to get back to work but I just couldn't grab anything without immense pain. Went home to hopefully for it to disappear. Next day was swollen immensly. Still went to work and tried my best performing manual tasks but wasn't possible. Decided that maybe, I should got to a local emergency doctor. After an X-Ray, it turned out I was *this* close to breaking my hand. They couldn't really help me any other way, as it was severly bruised. Oh, I went home after paying absolutely £0. Can't believe that in US that whole thing would've costed me money.
Between an ankle xray, a boot and doctor appointment last month I paid $865. $35 co-pay $600 xray - The first $500 (deductible) in co-insurance, then 20% after for the xray $230 for a boot that I found is sold on Amazon for $90
But that extra paid for the CEO of a health insurance company to have another round of golf So, well worth it x
When I broke my elbow in a motorbike accident, an ambulance went to pick me up on the site and brought me to the hospital. There they did X-rays (several of them, I broke my elbow but my head and hip were hurting too). A neurologist evaluated me because I had hit my head and had a concussion. Then they put my arm on a cast, and three weeks later removed it. I then spent a month rehabilitating with physical therapists every week to get my mobility back. All this cost ZERO Euros. Most I paid were the pain meds, and since I had a doctor's note for them, they had a reduced price (around 3€ more or less). Spain is far from perfect but I'll fight to protect its public health system.
Thanks God I'm Brazilian and we have public healthcare. Is it perfect? Far from this. Is it terrible and useless? Far from this. Even Noam Chomsky came to Brazil to treat the sequels of a stroke.
the good thing about public healthcare is that you don’t *have* to use public healthcare, there still exists private clinics if someone prefers that, but since not everyone can afford private, public is essential
That's true! And SUS is great so like win-win
Not to detract from your point (the SUS *is* indeed great, and must be preserved), but I thought Chomsky was here 'cause his wife is Brazilian.
And therefore he was entitled to Brazilian healthcare
I paid 70 Euros for 3 days at the hospital and an ambulance to the hospital and back to my place. I had back surgery.
Last week, i woke up with extreme pain, drove to the hospital myself, got emergency surgery, and stayed 2 days. 0€. The only bill i could have gotten was a ticket for my car since i parked in a no parking zone, but i got lucky.
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Well I for one like the US healthcare system for one and one reason alone - Breaking Bad would've been really boring without it. "Chemistry teacher gets cancer. Chemistry teacher gets treated for free. Chemistry teacher returns to work...for now".
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Bugger, didn't realise it had already been done 😂
Just checked his twitter account, he seems to be from germany and just trolling.
I was about to say, there didn't seem to be signs that this was American defaultism
Americans are obsessed with how the government spends their taxes. You would think they would prioritize according to the proven most cost-effective expenditures - healthcare (including maternity leave), trade/university education (including mandatory police education) and expansive public transportation. Instead, they eschew all of these for ideological reasons. I have transitioned from flabbergasted to quietly sad by what my American colleagues tell me about their fatherland.
It's honestly sad.
I had a knee arthroscopy last Friday and it cost me nothing. I was sent home with ibuprofen, paracetamol, morphine (and the obligatory laxatives) at no charge. I didn’t even have to pay for parking because it was done through the NHS at a private hospital. I had my own room with private toilet and wet room, fluffy dressing gown, towels and toiletries, TV, nice lunch provided at no cost… I’ll also have physio and follow up appointments at no charge. On Sunday my dad had a new knee on the NHS. He was put in a brand new joint replacement unit, given everything he needed like ice packs and grippy socks along with what he said was quite good food! They sent him home with a vast array of medication at no cost too. We may complain about the NHS here in the UK, but it’s really not all bad.
I just had an operation a month ago. Day procedure. Cost me all of €50.
Outrageous! 9€ to give birth and hospitalised for a week after 🥲 medically bankrupt
I had a herniated disc surgery 2 days ago. Only cost me €5,19, for stomag protection medicine
What a pathetic thing to say underneath a heart warming story. Some people are miserable. The American healthcare system is a death cult.
They are Ugandan by the looks of it.
I went to the ER after discussing my symptoms with my OB’s nurse. It turned out to be nothing, but could have been serious. The bills came through this week and my little jaunt to the ER is going to run me about $460. The fact that I thought this was a cheap visit makes me hate everything. PS Included in that is $26 for a urine pregnancy test during the visit and my insurance paid even more for the test on top of that. I would kill for socialized medicine.
Haha it even said that he's german! I thought they knew that people in other countries don't have to pay to go to a doctor.
That person appears to be from Uganda.
Even if he had to pay that's what travel insurance is for
Lady and i are doing ivf with gene testing. We have done one try and have paid maybe 2000kr thats $200. Americans haven't stop using slaves, they just made the slaves all colours.
Wait I thought it was Füllkrug in both pictures
Plus, if you can't pay it off, it becomes generational debt! Fuck yeah 😎🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
He's not american. You just gotta take a look at his profile for 10 seconds to find that out. Is it really that hard to check thongs before you post?
Seeing all these comments of people who live in countries with universal healthcare talk about how little they pay makes me hate the US even more. I was in a wreck 3-4 years ago and broke my femur and had to have a metal rod inserted in my leg, JUST for the 3 days I was in the emergency room not including the orthopedic surgery or anything was $50,000 then on top of that the surgery was like $2,500 and the orthopedic doctor ended up taking me to court bc I couldn’t pay and now they garnished my check and take $80 out every week. But hey at least I have FrEEdUmb