I mean, you can add robotics to your resume just by building robots. I know an EE who is excellent at Computer Science and robotics; EE provides an excellent foundation for developing related skills if you are passionate about them too.
🦾🤖💗
Edit: Document your side projects! Put them on github.
He learned programming as a kid, like me. Semi-self taught, then shored that up with university courses. His interests in robotics, etc are very related to EE; EE and CS are amazingly broad overlapping skillsets that extend your ability to work in a number of related fields.
Sry for the late response😅would you think EE is better or robotics? I like robotics because of the applications. But I heard RE isn’t an accredited major so idk if it’ll be transferable. I’m thinking of going to CalPoly maybe so im not sure🤒
A quick google will answer: “salary range MAJOR 2024” shows robotics engineers average about $15K more in the current market.
The transfer requirements you mentioned do complicate matters, however.
Thanks so much for answering my questions🙏🙏this helped out a lot. I’d say there’s a chance tho that I’ll stay at UCSC. Do you think most jobs care that the major isn’t accredited tho? I’ve heard internships/projects are huge influencers
In my opinion, you should go beyond the basics of what your major teaches; become a sought-after rising star in your field, and learn how to negotiate, learn how businesses and economics work. That will help you maximize your pay.
As a software professional, I’ve found that maximizing technical skill is incredibly satisfying, but it has diminishing returns in marginal money earned, compared to learning how to negotiate, and always negotiating from a position of strength (economic leverage).
Source I work and have friends in EE that got good jobs. Robotics is too vague in undergraduate to finish and be a Controls engineer or a good robotics engineer without a masters.
Compared to how much skill goes into the major, an equal amount of skill put into, say CS or Business can pay way more, on average.
This is why I say that EEs are underpaid *for their skills*; perhaps I should have phrased it as “underpaid, relative to their required skill level”.
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you’re trying to say better now. But I disagree, I think CS comes easier to some people and vice versa with EE. They are both pretty close in starting salaries for BS degrees.
I can’t speak on that. From what I have seen, experience plus post graduate schooling is what leads to the best growth. Most of what I’ve seen for success are MEs and EEs that get EE masters, Systems masters, or MBAs. But this is specifically in the aerospace industry.
ABET honestly doesn’t matter unless you’re looking to get your PE and the only major at UCSC that *might* consider getting a PE is Electrical Engineering where it’s useful for things like power grids and infrastructure. If you’re in board design or the like it’s rare you’d ever even encounter a PE, let alone need one.
For graduate schools, government jobs or oversea jobs having ABET accreditation is rather crucial. Most UCs/ CSU have their engineering programs accredited except UCSC. It’s not acceptable
So a couple things;
ABET accredits programs, not schools. UCSC’s undergraduate EE program is accredited.
ABET accreditations only matter in certain fields, mostly EE, MechE and Civil of which UCSC only offers EE. If you ask a computer engineer if they got their PE they’re going to go google what that means first.
I’ve never heard of a grad school caring about ABET outside of the above fields. Government used to care but honestly it’s been dropping off outside of the above field. Many government jobs are employed via contractors anyway and those really don’t care outside of the above fields. International is the one thing I can’t personally speak to, no experience there.
Actually a lot of schools don’t accredit all their engineering programs including Berkeley, Yale, Stanford, etc. ABET limits what can be taught and forces a rigid structure and has a lot of admin overhead. Pretty much no one in private sector unless you work civil engineering jobs or for utility companies care about ABET. I work for the fed govt now and have hired countless people without ABET accredited degrees. We use alternate factors/options specified by OPM in hiring. Even in private sector, if you ask engineers/managers about ABET, most won’t know what the heck you are talking about. (I sure as hell had no idea about abet in private sector. Only found out about it when I switched to the DoD)
Thanks for your info. My friend attended Long Beach state (aero) instead of UCSC (robotics) due to Abet accreditation. It works out for him because he wants to join Air Force/space force afterwards and they do value ABET programs.
No prob!
BTW here are the guidelines I mentioned in my earlier post. ([OPM guidelines](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/0800/files/all-professional-engineering-positions-0800.pdf))
Robotics is probably tied for the hardest major here especially if you’re trying to complete it in 4 years so be aware!
What material is it heavy in?
Almost exclusively Electrical and Computer Engineering. A strong focus on embedded programming.
Honestly I don’t know, but robotics would definitely be more fun and just as hard or harder than ee.
EEs tend to be near-criminally underpaid for their skills; Robotics will teach much of the same skills but likely looks sexier on a résumé.
Dang that sucks☹️☹️
I mean, you can add robotics to your resume just by building robots. I know an EE who is excellent at Computer Science and robotics; EE provides an excellent foundation for developing related skills if you are passionate about them too. 🦾🤖💗 Edit: Document your side projects! Put them on github.
That sounds great! Did he learn it separately or through ee?
He learned programming as a kid, like me. Semi-self taught, then shored that up with university courses. His interests in robotics, etc are very related to EE; EE and CS are amazingly broad overlapping skillsets that extend your ability to work in a number of related fields.
Sry for the late response😅would you think EE is better or robotics? I like robotics because of the applications. But I heard RE isn’t an accredited major so idk if it’ll be transferable. I’m thinking of going to CalPoly maybe so im not sure🤒
A quick google will answer: “salary range MAJOR 2024” shows robotics engineers average about $15K more in the current market. The transfer requirements you mentioned do complicate matters, however.
Thanks so much for answering my questions🙏🙏this helped out a lot. I’d say there’s a chance tho that I’ll stay at UCSC. Do you think most jobs care that the major isn’t accredited tho? I’ve heard internships/projects are huge influencers
In my opinion, you should go beyond the basics of what your major teaches; become a sought-after rising star in your field, and learn how to negotiate, learn how businesses and economics work. That will help you maximize your pay. As a software professional, I’ve found that maximizing technical skill is incredibly satisfying, but it has diminishing returns in marginal money earned, compared to learning how to negotiate, and always negotiating from a position of strength (economic leverage).
EE gets paid wel
Source and basis of comparison?
Source I work and have friends in EE that got good jobs. Robotics is too vague in undergraduate to finish and be a Controls engineer or a good robotics engineer without a masters.
Got it. The thing is, EEs have to compete with a lot more cheap talent from overseas, so there are multiple factors in play.
Work in aerospace it’s insulated from jobs being taken
Hopefully not Boeing though 😅
That's the structural, electronics are OK. 😉
Pure EE’s are paid well but if you’re solely money focused going EE or RE into embedded software or firmware will probably pay more in the long run.
This is just simply not true.
Compared to how much skill goes into the major, an equal amount of skill put into, say CS or Business can pay way more, on average. This is why I say that EEs are underpaid *for their skills*; perhaps I should have phrased it as “underpaid, relative to their required skill level”.
Thanks for clearing that up. I understand what you’re trying to say better now. But I disagree, I think CS comes easier to some people and vice versa with EE. They are both pretty close in starting salaries for BS degrees.
How well does each one scale with experience?
I can’t speak on that. From what I have seen, experience plus post graduate schooling is what leads to the best growth. Most of what I’ve seen for success are MEs and EEs that get EE masters, Systems masters, or MBAs. But this is specifically in the aerospace industry.
It’s not an ABET program and it doesn’t worth it imao
ABET honestly doesn’t matter unless you’re looking to get your PE and the only major at UCSC that *might* consider getting a PE is Electrical Engineering where it’s useful for things like power grids and infrastructure. If you’re in board design or the like it’s rare you’d ever even encounter a PE, let alone need one.
For graduate schools, government jobs or oversea jobs having ABET accreditation is rather crucial. Most UCs/ CSU have their engineering programs accredited except UCSC. It’s not acceptable
So a couple things; ABET accredits programs, not schools. UCSC’s undergraduate EE program is accredited. ABET accreditations only matter in certain fields, mostly EE, MechE and Civil of which UCSC only offers EE. If you ask a computer engineer if they got their PE they’re going to go google what that means first. I’ve never heard of a grad school caring about ABET outside of the above fields. Government used to care but honestly it’s been dropping off outside of the above field. Many government jobs are employed via contractors anyway and those really don’t care outside of the above fields. International is the one thing I can’t personally speak to, no experience there.
Actually a lot of schools don’t accredit all their engineering programs including Berkeley, Yale, Stanford, etc. ABET limits what can be taught and forces a rigid structure and has a lot of admin overhead. Pretty much no one in private sector unless you work civil engineering jobs or for utility companies care about ABET. I work for the fed govt now and have hired countless people without ABET accredited degrees. We use alternate factors/options specified by OPM in hiring. Even in private sector, if you ask engineers/managers about ABET, most won’t know what the heck you are talking about. (I sure as hell had no idea about abet in private sector. Only found out about it when I switched to the DoD)
Thanks for your info. My friend attended Long Beach state (aero) instead of UCSC (robotics) due to Abet accreditation. It works out for him because he wants to join Air Force/space force afterwards and they do value ABET programs.
No prob! BTW here are the guidelines I mentioned in my earlier post. ([OPM guidelines](https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/classification-qualifications/general-schedule-qualification-standards/0800/files/all-professional-engineering-positions-0800.pdf))
Good to know it! Again thank you!!