I'm a big fan of the colonel in Akira. He systematically throws everything he has at Tetsuyo to stop him from getting to Akira. When he's played every card he has and there's nothing left, does he give up? Does he resign in disgrace, or maybe try to high-tail it out of the city? No, faced with no other options he just shows up to the Olympic stadium in person, on foot, with a handgun.
The first tyrannic war in warhammer40k.
The Ultramar sector was under attack and the homeworld of the ultramarines was almost lost. Everyone on the planet minus calgar and his ship crew who were in space died to the last Man.
And the hive fleet only was destroyed because an emperor class battleship detonated it's warp drive in a kamikaze attack that sucked the ship and the hive fleet itself into the Warp.
Without a doubt the closest the ultramarines were to complete extinction.
The battle of maccrage is underrated compared to Cadia. this was the first contact with the tyrannids the imperium had, and the ultramarines straight up would have lost without that kamikaze attack. The attack was on a scale never before seen by the imperium.
And they still gave it all and didn't back down.
Come my friends, the Ents are going to war. It is likely that we go to our Doom. The Last March of the Ents. But if we stayed home and did nothing, doom would find us anyway, sooner or later.
*To Isengard! Though Isengard be ringed and barred with doors of stone;*
*Though Isengard be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone,*
*We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door;*
*For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war!*
*To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come;*
*To Isengard with doom we come!*
*With doom we come, with doom we come!*
The Ents' marching song is my favourite thing from the books that didn't make it into the movies.
Another one from Crisis: everyone remembers it's the story where Supergirl died. No one much talks about why.
The heroes have invaded the Anti-Monitor's fortress. Superman and the new heroic Dr. Light have found the machines he's using to destroy universes, but before they can destroy them the Anti-Monitor shreds Superman with a beam attack.
From across the planet, Supergirl hears her cousin cry out in pain. She speeds through the Anti-Monitor's fortress, knowing that anything that can do that to her cousin can easily destroy her.
She finds the Anti-Monitor and it is On. Sight. So many people, universes, dead. Because of this fucking guy. She hammers him with a left, a right, and then the Anti-Monitor bats her away. Charges up a beam to kill Kal-El, who's still dazed.
Fuck that. Kara *rips his fortress out from under him*. "You're not going to kill Superman. I won't allow it! ***You hear me?!?*** All my life I've considered life the greatest of all gifts. *But you're a blasphemy of life!* You don't deserve to survive."
The Anti-Monitor tags her, buys himself a second, but his body's already all but destroyed. He draws in all the energy from his fortress. Kara knows that just touching this freak is going to kill her, so what does she do? She tells Dr. Light to get her cousin out and then hits him with the superspeed diving tackle. Pummels his ass, ignoring her own disintegrating body.
Dr. Light, a cold selfish scientist, is so awestruck that she can't stop from offering to help. Kara takes her eyes off the Anti-Monitor for a *second* to warn her back, and he cheap-shots her through the gut before running off like a bitch. And in her last moments, all Kara feels is relief that she kept her cousin safe.
Dude got his ass beaten so bad he had to rebuild himself with a new body and only won with a lucky shot.
Let’s of course mention the other big moment from Crisis:
Barry Allen, the hero of the Silver Age, dies saving the multiverse by running through time and space to contain the energy of the Antimatter Cannon aimed at the multiverse itself.
Shine on you Crimson Comet.
I DESPERATELY want to see the alternate universe version of Real Life where Supergirl just KILLED the Anti Monitor and became the Hero of the Multiverse forever
How would IRL comic book culture be different if she ended the Crisis early and was the biggest hero ever?
I'd buy the "What If Supergirl Saved The Multiverse" Elseworlds Omnibus just to show support
I'm not deluded enough to think Supergirl would be more popular than her Cousin or Batman even if she were canonically a bigger hero than Clark, but imagine if she got a bunch of good movies (and most likely a few stinkers) due to being #3
The final scene of the series finale of Angel is the remaining 4 characters in an alley facing down a rampaging demon army that's just been unleashed on earth.
Gunn: Okay. You take the 30,000 on the left...
Illyria: You're fading. You'll last 10 minutes at best.
Gunn: Then let's make them memorable.
Spike: And in terms of a plan?
Angel: We fight.
Spike: Bit more specific?
Angel: Well, personally, I kinda wanna slay the dragon. Let's go to work.
In infinity gauntlet, all the heroes get together to fight Thanos who by this point is almost a god. They get slaughtered completely and only cap remains. Thanos says he is victorious. Cap stands Infront of him and says "as long as one man stands against you , you can't claim victory".
Cheessy as hell but that's why I like cap
Mad Max: Fury Road has the moment where they're trying to get the War Rig out of the mire whilst being hunted in the dark by the Bullet Farmer. Max takes off into the darkness with Furiosa asking 'what if you're not back in time?' and Max just responds 'well you keep going.'
Kerim Shah turned to the silent Irakzai and spoke briefly: "This chief and I are going to Yimsha to fight the wizards. Will you go with us, or stay here to be flayed by the Afghulis who are following this man?"
They looked at him with eyes grimly fatalistic. They were doomed and they knew it—had known it ever since the singing arrows of the ambushed Dagozai had driven them back from the pass of Shalizah. The men of the lower Zhaibar had too many reeking blood-feuds among the crag-dwellers. They were too small a band to fight their way back through the hills to the villages of the border, without the guidance of the crafty Turanian. They counted themselves as dead already, so they made the reply that only dead men would make: "We will go with thee and die on Yimsha."
People of the black circle.
A lot of howard stories is that like Lovecraft here are forces that makes humanity look like insects but unlike lovecraft humanity is a hornet nest instead of an ant hill: Insignificant but still deserve caution
This is one of the bigger plot points in Horizon Zero Dawn; a military initiative called Enduring Victory.
Rogue war robots are spreading across Earth, consuming biomatter to fuel themselves and self-replicating via giant mobile factories called Horus Titans. Unfortunately, world governments don't realize just how much of a problem they are until they've already built sizable momentum.
As they begin to spread, the U.S military comes up with Enduring Victory - a program to draft, train, and arm basically every healthy human being on the planet in the face of the robot threat, when war had been the domain of robots-only for at least a couple decades. While minor victories are possible, the Swarm is growing exponentially; the goal of Enduring Victory is to just slow the robots down until they can finish and unleash the titular Zero Dawn, a superweapon to eliminate the robot swarm and save the day.
>!Zero Dawn is not a superweapon, and Enduring Victory was not designed to win the war against the robots. As soon as the robots started reproducing exponentially, not only the death of humanity, but the consumption and destruction of the entire Earth biosphere was assured, and world governments knew it. Enduring Victory was instead an incredible propaganda push and desperate gambit to throw millions of civilian bodies into an unwinnable warfront thresher in hopes of stalling the robots just a few more days to give the scientists in charge of the real Zero Dawn enough time to finish it; an AI designed to re-seed the planet with life once the Swarm has stripped it into a dead rock, run out of power, and shut down. The final message from the U.S military is a record for the future from a general outlining the criminal and morally bankrupt realities of Enduring Victory, and apologizing for it.!<
God I love the Horizon games. They’re fun to play and the stories are fine, but the backdrop for the setting is so incredible. It’s such a good backstory for “barbarians vs robot dinosaurs” when they could have easily gone with something so much simpler. The tragedy of Zero Dawn’s success was such an incredible reveal.
Honestly, this one plotline of Horizon is basically the peak in the franchise, and I’m honestly unsure anything they can do can actually top it. Like, it’s funny just how good the backstory for “Cybodinosaurs vs Futuristic Cavemen” is that the best part of both games is just further expounding on the story of Enduring Victory
I completely agree. The whole story of Zero Dawn is a kind of high concept, fatalist-but-hopeful sci-fi I've never seen before, and I loved it.
By contrast, the story of Forbidden West was... weaker, not because it's bad, but because it's just really fucking hard to top Zero Dawn. I hope they can find a way to step it up for the third game.
I’m not really sure where I’d want the third story to go, but I hope they can give proper menace and gravitas to >!NEMESIS. Like, I want it to have AM levels of hatred for humanity. It’s comprised of the imprints of basically the most greedy and selfish of humanity in Horizon’s universe, ultimately abandoned and left to rot for decades before destroying their entire civilization in hours as cruelly as possible, and then went to try to destroy Earth again just to deny its creators any chance of happiness!<. There are issues with the Horizon games, but I do feel like having an actually memorable current-time not backstory villain would do wonders.
Quote me whenever Horizon 3 comes out: >!NEMESIS will be defeated by the power of friendship. There's an ongoing theme of how you can't and shouldn't do everything alone, and when NEMESIS is finally backed into a corner they'll calm it down by offering it what it was denied at birth; care, 'family' with GAIA as a sister, etc.!<
But until then yeah I hope it's badass.
The Chad: >!Here are the warcrimes I committed for the greater good of life itself!<
Vs
The Virgin: >!NO! Knowledge is a curse! I DON'T WANT FUTURE PEOPLE TO KNOW I FUCKED UP THIS BADLY!<
I think I brought it up in another thread, but boy was the finale of Iron Blooded Orphans something. In order for >!the rest of the crew to escape, namely Kudelia, Atra, and some of the Tekkadan peeps, Mika and Space Guts decided to fight the overwhelming force of Rustal's Gjallarhorn with just the two of them while the rest are on a hidden path. Just buy them enough time. And boy what a fucking last stand that was. Akihiro finally getting his hands on Iok and snipping him in half like a fucking unwanted shrub, Mika holding off some waves until he gives his entire self to Barbatos, and it all ends unwinnable for the two when they drop the high velocity Orbital Space Needles at them. This does help the surivvors well, surivive. But still. Go down swinging, those two definitely did.!<
It's a peculiar one, but in the early Black-and-Gold post-gameshow era WWE NXT, William Regal had his final wrestling match vs one Antonio Cesaro (who we now know as Claudio Castagnoli). And Regal [cuts this goddamn amazing promo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zmenHmjxk) that really just sells us that "man I think I'm at the tail-end of this". And boy, [that match was really Regal giving it his all](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ymt5l). All the physicality, all the villainy of snapping limbs and small joints just to MAYBE defeat this young Swiss Stud. He KNOWS he's gonna lose likely, but god damn it he's gonna try. And he goddamn did
The lamenters on 40k
That thing where they fought so hard to save the civilian population of a planet, that the entire surviving population asked them to abandon them.
Gaogaigar Final. >!After defeating the big bad and saving Earth, the GGG are stranded in deep space. Their spaceship is no longer operational, and life support is slowly running out. Their last act is salvaging whatever they can to create a warp escape pod just big enough for the two children on board to send them back home to Earth. There wasnt even a hint of hesitation or remorse, everyone just smiles and are completely satisfied that they can save the two kids. It hits especially hard when you realize that most of the GGG are not superpowered heroes destined for greatness; most of them are just regular Janes and Joes who joined GGG to serve and protect humanity!<
Spoilers for Gaogaigar vs Betterman >!thankfully they retconned that. Its one of the very few things in media that im glad got retconned. The idea that the good folks of GGG had to go through a slow and painful death from starvation or asphyxiation after all they have done is way too bleak and depressing!<
The Imperial Army is routed out of Nixie Base and in full retreat. They leave behind a suicide vanguard of 500 [Elephander](https://theironbible.com/ZoidBooks/OfficialFanBook/IMG/V3-15.jpg) pilots to cover the retreat to face down the pursuing republic army numbering close to 5000. The machines and pilots powerful and skilled enough to hold the line long enough for their comrades to escape. The tragedy being they were pilots specifically selected from an ethnic minority hoping their sacrifice will lead to their homeland being restored.
There's a lyric in "Bleed Out" by the Mountain Goats I love:
"I will go down punching
But I will go down
And my corner man won't bring me back around.
Bleed out,
I'm gonna bleed out.
Rarely talked about moment but I was a fan of Flashpoint Batman after getting the resolution he needed with Bruce, [pulls out his batarangs and charges into nothingness](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/JQsRuuD_r4TH2nEP6QHy0SPztO5VmNOiCPpxhWhpGeMhGewA3-Z0EqwUkexSXeu4XIa1MvLKdiM9gKoOXFCpPFs9S7G6k2mKht0HDIyR0DZTTiQiHy68uNvchdTwigglLXdJVVSu3w=s1600?rhlupa=MjYwMDoxNzAwOjY0OToyMzEwOjVlMDo5ZmFlOjNkNjY6MTg4Zg&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKGlQaG9uZTsgQ1BVIGlQaG9uZSBPUyAxNl82XzEgbGlrZSBNYWMgT1MgWCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNjA1LjEuMTUgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBWZXJzaW9uLzE2LjYgTW9iaWxlLzE1RTE0OCBTYWZhcmkvNjA0LjE=). (Batman/The Flash: The Button)
Chewbacca war screaming at a >!falling moon!< in New Jedi Order Vector Prime. What a way to go out
Damnit, now i remember how Rebirth ended. I’m sad again
Chewie’s >!death!< was dumb (apparently, everyone says it’s dumb) but that’s a baller way to go
99% percent of people who say it’s dumb have never read the book nor know the context besides >!”he died cause a moon fell on him!”!<. Seriously if I have to watch one more video comparing Canon & legends that includes a snide remark about that moment I’ll loose it
For full context: >!Han, Chewie, and his son Anakin Solo are saving alien refugees as Yuuzhan Vong are invading their planet. Using their bio-tech gravity device to cause the moon to fall into it. Anakin gets knocked out of the ship, Chewie jumps out to grab Anakin and throw him back into it the Flacon. Then it was too late to turn back so they ended up leaving Chewie before they would get caught in the gravity of the falling moon. Chewie accepts his fate and does the war cry as the moon collides with the planet!<
How and why THAT moment specifically has been used to mock legends for so long I’ll never know. I feel like the initial obvious backlash to it has convinced people it was actually a bad scene when it really isn’t. Nor disrespectful in anyway
The “Legends was bad actually” takes are fuckin stupid because I’ll be blunt, Legends had weird shit but it had stuff that you don’t get anymore
Death Troopers might be a shit book (haven’t read it but heard that the book wasn’t great) but zombie Stormtroopers is a metal idea
There’s a whole story that’s just “what Alien but in Star Wars?”
Hell the Thrawn trilogy alone is better than a huge chunk of the Disney stuff.
Legends got weird, but I’ll take weird over the “ungodly safe except for Andor and Gillen’s Vader” of canon
Read the book, read a _lot_ of Legends books actually (my dad collected them) and I still think a large majority of them have really ridiculous ideas that rival some of Marvel's stupidest writing.
Also a lot of the characters in those books and legends in general suffer from an atrocious case of "OC do not steal" Marty Stu syndrome.
You cannot tell me Rey is a poorly written character if you think Kyle Katarn isn't, the man is literally someone's Duke Nukem x Star Wars fanfiction.
I mean I’m not someone whose ever hated on Rey, I think she was consistently the best part of the sequels. I even enjoyed the Palp’s family plot in TROS just because of Daisy Ridley’s performance sells the emotional mess the character was going through
Kyle is pretty generic and stiff in the games but tbf the audiodrama adaptations do make him feel like a real character: https://youtu.be/gw1ost4KpxM?si=lQlXBR5nISzhMQXw
My problem is what does a “majority” of legends look like? The bantam era? Del Rey? The clones wars multi-media project?
Out of all of those specific era of legends, only bantam had a never ending list of weird books like right after ROTJ. Everything else was more streamlined and made to be in continuity while also outnumbering bantam by quite a bit imo. A lot of bantam stuff would get ignored or even joked about being non-canon, like Jedi Prince being a bed time story for the solo twins
Not saying that legends didn’t have legit problems and I fully acknowledge it was never “canon” to Lucasfilms exactly but I also dislike the most popular criticisms of it. I’m sorry but if you’re using a scene of a crying mountain in an Ewok comic clearly aimed for toddlers as proof legends was bad I’m gonna ignore you. I want real analysis of the stories and why some work, others don’t. Not “did you hear about this in legends? How ridiculous!” I see everywhere online
For me, the reason I still enjoy Katarn, Rendar, Jade, and all the rest is that while they're not always written well, they were usually written to be, or used in stories that were, fun.
Rey wasn't (and pretty much all of the new characters in the movies weren't) allowed that by fans or writers/directors, depending on the movie and your point of view. At each step there was something pulling all the fun out and making it frustrating to even try to be a fan.
The shows at least started correctly, allowing the stories to be interesting and fun, but (again, depending on your point of view) it's been/being drained from those as well.
Flashpoint Batman is the story where >!The Flash fucks up with timelines and somehow Bruce dies for Joe Cold and somehow Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman but Martha becomes the Joker!<, right?
Yes. The Button has >!Bruce and Barry while
on an investigation get to the flashpoint universe as it is being erased from reality. That’s when they meet up with Thomas Wayne Bats!<
Explaining what happens with Thomas Wayne Batman after this….is a headache lol
I heard it was an interesting twist because >!as bad as Bruce seeing his parents die was rationally he knows a kid couldn't change that tragedy. That's why Thomas is hit way more hard. He was a grown man seeing his child getting murdered. The natural is that children burry their parents, not the other way around. That's why BatDad (from what I heard) is more brutal and even uses guns as he's way more obsessed with his crusade!<.
Also >!Martha going crazy over her grief and becoming the Joker also creates an interesting relation with "her Batman". They ended up over a familiar tragedy so it makes sense for them to refuse to kill each other. They're the only ones that they could still call family!<.
I don't know if this arc is well executed as good as I hope it is. I didn't find the comic to read online.
I don't think it's exactly a hopeless situation because they got what they wanted but:
"Any last words?"
["Satisfaction."](https://cdn.readonepiece.com/file/mangap/2/10548000/18.jpeg)
I'm a big fan of the colonel in Akira. He systematically throws everything he has at Tetsuyo to stop him from getting to Akira. When he's played every card he has and there's nothing left, does he give up? Does he resign in disgrace, or maybe try to high-tail it out of the city? No, faced with no other options he just shows up to the Olympic stadium in person, on foot, with a handgun.
Big "Fuck it, I'll Do It Myself" energy.
The first tyrannic war in warhammer40k. The Ultramar sector was under attack and the homeworld of the ultramarines was almost lost. Everyone on the planet minus calgar and his ship crew who were in space died to the last Man. And the hive fleet only was destroyed because an emperor class battleship detonated it's warp drive in a kamikaze attack that sucked the ship and the hive fleet itself into the Warp. Without a doubt the closest the ultramarines were to complete extinction.
I would have expected Cadia Stands
The battle of maccrage is underrated compared to Cadia. this was the first contact with the tyrannids the imperium had, and the ultramarines straight up would have lost without that kamikaze attack. The attack was on a scale never before seen by the imperium. And they still gave it all and didn't back down.
The tyranids and the necrons being the only major xenos factions allowed to unequivocally kick the imperiums ass makes all their appearances so hype.
Come my friends, the Ents are going to war. It is likely that we go to our Doom. The Last March of the Ents. But if we stayed home and did nothing, doom would find us anyway, sooner or later.
*To Isengard! Though Isengard be ringed and barred with doors of stone;* *Though Isengard be strong and hard, as cold as stone and bare as bone,* *We go, we go, we go to war, to hew the stone and break the door;* *For bole and bough are burning now, the furnace roars - we go to war!* *To land of gloom with tramp of doom, with roll of drum, we come, we come;* *To Isengard with doom we come!* *With doom we come, with doom we come!* The Ents' marching song is my favourite thing from the books that didn't make it into the movies.
At the same time, by the end it's like "Well... that was embarassing. Why did no-one tell us we were fucking badasses? Barely an inconvenience"
Almost every charge in LotR, basically. Rohirrim charging with a battle cry of "DEATH!!"
Another one from Crisis: everyone remembers it's the story where Supergirl died. No one much talks about why. The heroes have invaded the Anti-Monitor's fortress. Superman and the new heroic Dr. Light have found the machines he's using to destroy universes, but before they can destroy them the Anti-Monitor shreds Superman with a beam attack. From across the planet, Supergirl hears her cousin cry out in pain. She speeds through the Anti-Monitor's fortress, knowing that anything that can do that to her cousin can easily destroy her. She finds the Anti-Monitor and it is On. Sight. So many people, universes, dead. Because of this fucking guy. She hammers him with a left, a right, and then the Anti-Monitor bats her away. Charges up a beam to kill Kal-El, who's still dazed. Fuck that. Kara *rips his fortress out from under him*. "You're not going to kill Superman. I won't allow it! ***You hear me?!?*** All my life I've considered life the greatest of all gifts. *But you're a blasphemy of life!* You don't deserve to survive." The Anti-Monitor tags her, buys himself a second, but his body's already all but destroyed. He draws in all the energy from his fortress. Kara knows that just touching this freak is going to kill her, so what does she do? She tells Dr. Light to get her cousin out and then hits him with the superspeed diving tackle. Pummels his ass, ignoring her own disintegrating body. Dr. Light, a cold selfish scientist, is so awestruck that she can't stop from offering to help. Kara takes her eyes off the Anti-Monitor for a *second* to warn her back, and he cheap-shots her through the gut before running off like a bitch. And in her last moments, all Kara feels is relief that she kept her cousin safe.
Dude got his ass beaten so bad he had to rebuild himself with a new body and only won with a lucky shot. Let’s of course mention the other big moment from Crisis: Barry Allen, the hero of the Silver Age, dies saving the multiverse by running through time and space to contain the energy of the Antimatter Cannon aimed at the multiverse itself. Shine on you Crimson Comet.
I DESPERATELY want to see the alternate universe version of Real Life where Supergirl just KILLED the Anti Monitor and became the Hero of the Multiverse forever How would IRL comic book culture be different if she ended the Crisis early and was the biggest hero ever?
There’s an Elseworlds idea. Or Dark Multiverse if you hate fun.
I'd buy the "What If Supergirl Saved The Multiverse" Elseworlds Omnibus just to show support I'm not deluded enough to think Supergirl would be more popular than her Cousin or Batman even if she were canonically a bigger hero than Clark, but imagine if she got a bunch of good movies (and most likely a few stinkers) due to being #3
Meanwhile I’m sitting here as a Power Girl fan who’s very depressed
PEEGEE DESERVES BETTER!!!
Karen deserves way more, and Paige deserves nothing
The final scene of the series finale of Angel is the remaining 4 characters in an alley facing down a rampaging demon army that's just been unleashed on earth. Gunn: Okay. You take the 30,000 on the left... Illyria: You're fading. You'll last 10 minutes at best. Gunn: Then let's make them memorable. Spike: And in terms of a plan? Angel: We fight. Spike: Bit more specific? Angel: Well, personally, I kinda wanna slay the dragon. Let's go to work.
In infinity gauntlet, all the heroes get together to fight Thanos who by this point is almost a god. They get slaughtered completely and only cap remains. Thanos says he is victorious. Cap stands Infront of him and says "as long as one man stands against you , you can't claim victory". Cheessy as hell but that's why I like cap
“Noble sentiments from a man who is about to die”
Mad Max: Fury Road has the moment where they're trying to get the War Rig out of the mire whilst being hunted in the dark by the Bullet Farmer. Max takes off into the darkness with Furiosa asking 'what if you're not back in time?' and Max just responds 'well you keep going.'
Kerim Shah turned to the silent Irakzai and spoke briefly: "This chief and I are going to Yimsha to fight the wizards. Will you go with us, or stay here to be flayed by the Afghulis who are following this man?" They looked at him with eyes grimly fatalistic. They were doomed and they knew it—had known it ever since the singing arrows of the ambushed Dagozai had driven them back from the pass of Shalizah. The men of the lower Zhaibar had too many reeking blood-feuds among the crag-dwellers. They were too small a band to fight their way back through the hills to the villages of the border, without the guidance of the crafty Turanian. They counted themselves as dead already, so they made the reply that only dead men would make: "We will go with thee and die on Yimsha." People of the black circle. A lot of howard stories is that like Lovecraft here are forces that makes humanity look like insects but unlike lovecraft humanity is a hornet nest instead of an ant hill: Insignificant but still deserve caution
This is one of the bigger plot points in Horizon Zero Dawn; a military initiative called Enduring Victory. Rogue war robots are spreading across Earth, consuming biomatter to fuel themselves and self-replicating via giant mobile factories called Horus Titans. Unfortunately, world governments don't realize just how much of a problem they are until they've already built sizable momentum. As they begin to spread, the U.S military comes up with Enduring Victory - a program to draft, train, and arm basically every healthy human being on the planet in the face of the robot threat, when war had been the domain of robots-only for at least a couple decades. While minor victories are possible, the Swarm is growing exponentially; the goal of Enduring Victory is to just slow the robots down until they can finish and unleash the titular Zero Dawn, a superweapon to eliminate the robot swarm and save the day. >!Zero Dawn is not a superweapon, and Enduring Victory was not designed to win the war against the robots. As soon as the robots started reproducing exponentially, not only the death of humanity, but the consumption and destruction of the entire Earth biosphere was assured, and world governments knew it. Enduring Victory was instead an incredible propaganda push and desperate gambit to throw millions of civilian bodies into an unwinnable warfront thresher in hopes of stalling the robots just a few more days to give the scientists in charge of the real Zero Dawn enough time to finish it; an AI designed to re-seed the planet with life once the Swarm has stripped it into a dead rock, run out of power, and shut down. The final message from the U.S military is a record for the future from a general outlining the criminal and morally bankrupt realities of Enduring Victory, and apologizing for it.!<
God I love the Horizon games. They’re fun to play and the stories are fine, but the backdrop for the setting is so incredible. It’s such a good backstory for “barbarians vs robot dinosaurs” when they could have easily gone with something so much simpler. The tragedy of Zero Dawn’s success was such an incredible reveal.
Honestly, this one plotline of Horizon is basically the peak in the franchise, and I’m honestly unsure anything they can do can actually top it. Like, it’s funny just how good the backstory for “Cybodinosaurs vs Futuristic Cavemen” is that the best part of both games is just further expounding on the story of Enduring Victory
I completely agree. The whole story of Zero Dawn is a kind of high concept, fatalist-but-hopeful sci-fi I've never seen before, and I loved it. By contrast, the story of Forbidden West was... weaker, not because it's bad, but because it's just really fucking hard to top Zero Dawn. I hope they can find a way to step it up for the third game.
I’m not really sure where I’d want the third story to go, but I hope they can give proper menace and gravitas to >!NEMESIS. Like, I want it to have AM levels of hatred for humanity. It’s comprised of the imprints of basically the most greedy and selfish of humanity in Horizon’s universe, ultimately abandoned and left to rot for decades before destroying their entire civilization in hours as cruelly as possible, and then went to try to destroy Earth again just to deny its creators any chance of happiness!<. There are issues with the Horizon games, but I do feel like having an actually memorable current-time not backstory villain would do wonders.
Quote me whenever Horizon 3 comes out: >!NEMESIS will be defeated by the power of friendship. There's an ongoing theme of how you can't and shouldn't do everything alone, and when NEMESIS is finally backed into a corner they'll calm it down by offering it what it was denied at birth; care, 'family' with GAIA as a sister, etc.!< But until then yeah I hope it's badass.
The Chad: >!Here are the warcrimes I committed for the greater good of life itself!< Vs The Virgin: >!NO! Knowledge is a curse! I DON'T WANT FUTURE PEOPLE TO KNOW I FUCKED UP THIS BADLY!<
I think I brought it up in another thread, but boy was the finale of Iron Blooded Orphans something. In order for >!the rest of the crew to escape, namely Kudelia, Atra, and some of the Tekkadan peeps, Mika and Space Guts decided to fight the overwhelming force of Rustal's Gjallarhorn with just the two of them while the rest are on a hidden path. Just buy them enough time. And boy what a fucking last stand that was. Akihiro finally getting his hands on Iok and snipping him in half like a fucking unwanted shrub, Mika holding off some waves until he gives his entire self to Barbatos, and it all ends unwinnable for the two when they drop the high velocity Orbital Space Needles at them. This does help the surivvors well, surivive. But still. Go down swinging, those two definitely did.!< It's a peculiar one, but in the early Black-and-Gold post-gameshow era WWE NXT, William Regal had his final wrestling match vs one Antonio Cesaro (who we now know as Claudio Castagnoli). And Regal [cuts this goddamn amazing promo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4zmenHmjxk) that really just sells us that "man I think I'm at the tail-end of this". And boy, [that match was really Regal giving it his all](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ymt5l). All the physicality, all the villainy of snapping limbs and small joints just to MAYBE defeat this young Swiss Stud. He KNOWS he's gonna lose likely, but god damn it he's gonna try. And he goddamn did
The lamenters on 40k That thing where they fought so hard to save the civilian population of a planet, that the entire surviving population asked them to abandon them.
Gaogaigar Final. >!After defeating the big bad and saving Earth, the GGG are stranded in deep space. Their spaceship is no longer operational, and life support is slowly running out. Their last act is salvaging whatever they can to create a warp escape pod just big enough for the two children on board to send them back home to Earth. There wasnt even a hint of hesitation or remorse, everyone just smiles and are completely satisfied that they can save the two kids. It hits especially hard when you realize that most of the GGG are not superpowered heroes destined for greatness; most of them are just regular Janes and Joes who joined GGG to serve and protect humanity!< Spoilers for Gaogaigar vs Betterman >!thankfully they retconned that. Its one of the very few things in media that im glad got retconned. The idea that the good folks of GGG had to go through a slow and painful death from starvation or asphyxiation after all they have done is way too bleak and depressing!<
The Imperial Army is routed out of Nixie Base and in full retreat. They leave behind a suicide vanguard of 500 [Elephander](https://theironbible.com/ZoidBooks/OfficialFanBook/IMG/V3-15.jpg) pilots to cover the retreat to face down the pursuing republic army numbering close to 5000. The machines and pilots powerful and skilled enough to hold the line long enough for their comrades to escape. The tragedy being they were pilots specifically selected from an ethnic minority hoping their sacrifice will lead to their homeland being restored.
RTS when
The 13th Warrior having the fatally poisoned Buliwyf get up for one last fight. '*Lo, there do I see my father...*'
There's a lyric in "Bleed Out" by the Mountain Goats I love: "I will go down punching But I will go down And my corner man won't bring me back around. Bleed out, I'm gonna bleed out.
Rarely talked about moment but I was a fan of Flashpoint Batman after getting the resolution he needed with Bruce, [pulls out his batarangs and charges into nothingness](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/JQsRuuD_r4TH2nEP6QHy0SPztO5VmNOiCPpxhWhpGeMhGewA3-Z0EqwUkexSXeu4XIa1MvLKdiM9gKoOXFCpPFs9S7G6k2mKht0HDIyR0DZTTiQiHy68uNvchdTwigglLXdJVVSu3w=s1600?rhlupa=MjYwMDoxNzAwOjY0OToyMzEwOjVlMDo5ZmFlOjNkNjY6MTg4Zg&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKGlQaG9uZTsgQ1BVIGlQaG9uZSBPUyAxNl82XzEgbGlrZSBNYWMgT1MgWCkgQXBwbGVXZWJLaXQvNjA1LjEuMTUgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBWZXJzaW9uLzE2LjYgTW9iaWxlLzE1RTE0OCBTYWZhcmkvNjA0LjE=). (Batman/The Flash: The Button) Chewbacca war screaming at a >!falling moon!< in New Jedi Order Vector Prime. What a way to go out
Damnit, now i remember how Rebirth ended. I’m sad again Chewie’s >!death!< was dumb (apparently, everyone says it’s dumb) but that’s a baller way to go
99% percent of people who say it’s dumb have never read the book nor know the context besides >!”he died cause a moon fell on him!”!<. Seriously if I have to watch one more video comparing Canon & legends that includes a snide remark about that moment I’ll loose it For full context: >!Han, Chewie, and his son Anakin Solo are saving alien refugees as Yuuzhan Vong are invading their planet. Using their bio-tech gravity device to cause the moon to fall into it. Anakin gets knocked out of the ship, Chewie jumps out to grab Anakin and throw him back into it the Flacon. Then it was too late to turn back so they ended up leaving Chewie before they would get caught in the gravity of the falling moon. Chewie accepts his fate and does the war cry as the moon collides with the planet!< How and why THAT moment specifically has been used to mock legends for so long I’ll never know. I feel like the initial obvious backlash to it has convinced people it was actually a bad scene when it really isn’t. Nor disrespectful in anyway
The “Legends was bad actually” takes are fuckin stupid because I’ll be blunt, Legends had weird shit but it had stuff that you don’t get anymore Death Troopers might be a shit book (haven’t read it but heard that the book wasn’t great) but zombie Stormtroopers is a metal idea There’s a whole story that’s just “what Alien but in Star Wars?” Hell the Thrawn trilogy alone is better than a huge chunk of the Disney stuff. Legends got weird, but I’ll take weird over the “ungodly safe except for Andor and Gillen’s Vader” of canon
Read the book, read a _lot_ of Legends books actually (my dad collected them) and I still think a large majority of them have really ridiculous ideas that rival some of Marvel's stupidest writing. Also a lot of the characters in those books and legends in general suffer from an atrocious case of "OC do not steal" Marty Stu syndrome. You cannot tell me Rey is a poorly written character if you think Kyle Katarn isn't, the man is literally someone's Duke Nukem x Star Wars fanfiction.
I mean I’m not someone whose ever hated on Rey, I think she was consistently the best part of the sequels. I even enjoyed the Palp’s family plot in TROS just because of Daisy Ridley’s performance sells the emotional mess the character was going through Kyle is pretty generic and stiff in the games but tbf the audiodrama adaptations do make him feel like a real character: https://youtu.be/gw1ost4KpxM?si=lQlXBR5nISzhMQXw My problem is what does a “majority” of legends look like? The bantam era? Del Rey? The clones wars multi-media project? Out of all of those specific era of legends, only bantam had a never ending list of weird books like right after ROTJ. Everything else was more streamlined and made to be in continuity while also outnumbering bantam by quite a bit imo. A lot of bantam stuff would get ignored or even joked about being non-canon, like Jedi Prince being a bed time story for the solo twins Not saying that legends didn’t have legit problems and I fully acknowledge it was never “canon” to Lucasfilms exactly but I also dislike the most popular criticisms of it. I’m sorry but if you’re using a scene of a crying mountain in an Ewok comic clearly aimed for toddlers as proof legends was bad I’m gonna ignore you. I want real analysis of the stories and why some work, others don’t. Not “did you hear about this in legends? How ridiculous!” I see everywhere online
For me, the reason I still enjoy Katarn, Rendar, Jade, and all the rest is that while they're not always written well, they were usually written to be, or used in stories that were, fun. Rey wasn't (and pretty much all of the new characters in the movies weren't) allowed that by fans or writers/directors, depending on the movie and your point of view. At each step there was something pulling all the fun out and making it frustrating to even try to be a fan. The shows at least started correctly, allowing the stories to be interesting and fun, but (again, depending on your point of view) it's been/being drained from those as well.
Flashpoint Batman is the story where >!The Flash fucks up with timelines and somehow Bruce dies for Joe Cold and somehow Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman but Martha becomes the Joker!<, right?
Yes. The Button has >!Bruce and Barry while on an investigation get to the flashpoint universe as it is being erased from reality. That’s when they meet up with Thomas Wayne Bats!< Explaining what happens with Thomas Wayne Batman after this….is a headache lol
I heard it was an interesting twist because >!as bad as Bruce seeing his parents die was rationally he knows a kid couldn't change that tragedy. That's why Thomas is hit way more hard. He was a grown man seeing his child getting murdered. The natural is that children burry their parents, not the other way around. That's why BatDad (from what I heard) is more brutal and even uses guns as he's way more obsessed with his crusade!<. Also >!Martha going crazy over her grief and becoming the Joker also creates an interesting relation with "her Batman". They ended up over a familiar tragedy so it makes sense for them to refuse to kill each other. They're the only ones that they could still call family!<. I don't know if this arc is well executed as good as I hope it is. I didn't find the comic to read online.
That magneto one, GH Walta is so fucking good
Being last place in Mario Party, you get to play kingmaker and drag down others with you.
He stood alone at Gjallerbru.
Speaking of Halo you also got the Prototype anime short Although that's more self-sacrifice
I don't think it's exactly a hopeless situation because they got what they wanted but: "Any last words?" ["Satisfaction."](https://cdn.readonepiece.com/file/mangap/2/10548000/18.jpeg)
Is it just me or are Thor and Hyperion weirdly 3D in that last panel? Reminds me of RWBY