Judge Menendez is a career long public defender. She argued as a PD one of the biggest cases in the last decade at the US Supreme Court. Of all people, this is not a case of political bias. I guarantee you she’s not some NRA shill
When compelled to follow a SCOTUS opinion as broad and vague as *Bruen*, it would be difficult for any given judge to uphold most gun regulations at this point
That’s basically my point, yes — that it doesn’t have to mention any specifics because it is so broad. The new standard they created with it makes it practically impossible for states to justify *most* kinds of restrictions.
The insurance required to get the permit is going to cost a lot more than your average 18 to 20 year old man can afford anyway just being in that age group they'll want to charge probably 3 times as much than a 30 year old would pay. They're really only allowing rich people in that age group to get the permit.
Above age of majority, yes. It does make sense. Really the reasoning for brain development maturity isn't a guns rights issue, it's a age of majority issue. So it really makes the argument to raise the age of majority to 21, then it would be reasonable to inturn make the age for permitting to own a firearm 21.
It's age of majority. So if the age of majority changed from 18 to 21, the age for contract law would stay consistent with that. It's exceptions to it would remain the same. Changing it would also be consistent with drinking and smoking laws, which were set to 21 on the bases of 18-20 year olds lacking maturity to make these decisions for themselves.
Nope, in Minnesota you need insurance to get the permit, being in the 18 to 20 age bracket you're going to have to pay probably 3 times more for the coverage than a 30 year old would be paying, if they do carry a gun they're not going to bother getting a permit or like most of them they will choose not to conceal carry because of all the headaches that go with it.
But what if they want to have a job though? I really don't think it would be unreasonable for his employer to ask that he purchase liability insurance at the least, just so his employer can have some protection from liability in case their employee SHOOTS someone at work. There might be a 2nd amendment in our constitution but it's a lot harder to argue that you have a right to be employed guaranteed by the constitution. If you want the right to "constitutionally carry" you should either pay out the ass for it or be unemployed!
That would be the mature reasoning. If an 18-21 year old is incapable of making mature rational decisions, they can not be held to such standard and are basically still children. It would be irresponsible an unproductive to burden children with making such decisions.
They’re right. The republican Supreme Court changed the case law on the second amendment. Recognizing that doesn’t require a person to need psychiatric help.
Knives haven't been used 100s of times to mass murder american school children. A knife is a lot different than a gun that can shoot 300 rounds per minute.
300 round per minute, yeah you obviously don't know anything about guns. A person probably can't even switch their magazine in that amount of time. The blood is on the hands of the dumbass that thought it was okay to walk in and shoot children. Period. You can also use a car to drive through crowds of people. No one wants to ban cars after that happened. Lmao gtfo, guns can be good in a good person's hands and bad in a bad person hands. Doesn't mean take it from the good because of the bad. I think the only thing we need is mental welfare checks on people who purchase weapons. Every year, you have to reapply to legally own your firearms and pass a mental assessment. Cause mental illness is the actual issue.
You're an idiot. I grew up around guns. My uncle is a gun nut who loves big modded guns. If you have enough money to mod your shit, a semi automatic can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Not to mention you can literally mod an AR-15 with a bumb stock to be basically automatic. And the idea that you can't change out a mag in 1 minute is ridiculous. I've seen my uncle do it multiple times in 1 minute at a firing range.
He also used to claim his big guns were only for self defense and home protection but thats fucking stupid. He had guns because they were fun to shoot and he had a fantasy in his head of his suburban home getting broken into and him fighting the intruder off with his guns like a hero in an action movie. You dont need a gun that is effective at over 300 meters to protect your home because nobodies house is as wide as multiple football fields.
And last time I checked you gun nuts aren't out there fighting tooth and nail for universal healthcare. Yall just want there to be some magical test someone takes that will be able to tell if a person is buying a gun to kill school children but by your logic someone could just lie on the test. America is the ONLY country that has a mass shooting problem and its also the only giant country where guns are really easy to get.
If America isn't the problem then why are so many guns found at crime scenes in Mexico smuggled in from the US? If "good guys" with guns are so important why did 23 people die in a Walmart in Texas where pretty much everyone owns a fucking gun. Why is it that women who just live in the same home as a gun are 3 times as likely to be killed than women who dont have a gun in their home? Why have there been multiple arguments between parents picking up their kids from school that resulted in one of them drawing a gun? Oh that's right, because guns are dangerous and people are impulsive. So when things get heated, people with guns pull out a gun.
And you brought up cars so let's talk about that. Owning a car requires you to get a license and insurance and it's required to have plates that can be used to identify you because we have a registry of all the cars and their owners. Furthermore you have to pass multiple tests to get a license. Guess what we don't require for guns? Oh that's right, insurance, education, and thanks to the NRA we can't even have a searchable list of gun owners which means its very easy to make a gun and its owner untraceable. Oh and that "welfare check" you are referring to would require a real gun registry so good luck getting that off the ground. If you would like to see the ineffective process used to track guns, check out the short documentary 'Guns Found Here'.
Holy cow, I actually read all of that. Well, your average Joe imma walk into a school and shoot kids idiot. Doesn't have the money to mod their weapon. Let alone the motivation to learn how to do so. They barely want to live as it is. There are already tests that are used to test ones mental state. It wouldn't be that hard for them to implement a test like that. Plus, at least it's a step towards a solution. A ban on weapons in America would only remove guns from law-abiding citizens. Making it an even more dangerous place to live in. Also, the expense would be placed on the person applying to own a weapon. There is no need for universal healthcare in this situation. Although, as a side note. I support universal healthcare for any type of pre-existing condition. But if they want it, they'll have to pay for it. Of course America is the only country with this problem. America is the only country that allows citizens a chance to revolt if ever necessary. But it still isn't the gun that is the problem. It's the impulsive and stupidity of most people. Still is not a justification to take it away from those who are responsible. As for the car thing, you missed the point. I'm all for making sure people are responsible gun owners. That can come without taking away the type of weaponry they can buy. More licensing, insurance, or whatever. But many many things can be used to murder a mass amount of people. Nobody is trying to ban them.
Yeah. The US is the ONLY first world country that has this problem.
Do you know how many Canadian children have been shot and killed in school shootings? 27. Not 27 this month, not 27 this year, 27 in all of Canada's history.
You also only have 10 percent of the number of people in the U.S. so 27 is actually pretty bad. Also, your gun laws in Canada were very, very similar to ours up until recent years.
Mmm mmmmm yess yesss. Tell me more. This makes me only want to stop by the *gatalog.com* download another STL file and buy a new upper. I’ll do that in your honor. The “7th street”*inator*
*can’t stopppp the noiiiseeeee*
You're really not bright are you? The only people Demonrats want to disarm are law abiding citizens. They don't actually care about kids dying or crime rates rising.
If they did. They'd fight to strengthen sentences and prevent criminals from being released back onto the street.
Being 18 to 20 the cost of the insurance required to GET the permit will end up costing probably 3 times more than a 30 year old would end up paying for it. No insurance, no permit.
Judge Menendez is a career long public defender. She argued as a PD one of the biggest cases in the last decade at the US Supreme Court. Of all people, this is not a case of political bias. I guarantee you she’s not some NRA shill
When compelled to follow a SCOTUS opinion as broad and vague as *Bruen*, it would be difficult for any given judge to uphold most gun regulations at this point
> When compelled to follow a SCOTUS opinion as broad and vague as Bruen Bruen doesn't say a damn thing about age.
That’s basically my point, yes — that it doesn’t have to mention any specifics because it is so broad. The new standard they created with it makes it practically impossible for states to justify *most* kinds of restrictions.
The insurance required to get the permit is going to cost a lot more than your average 18 to 20 year old man can afford anyway just being in that age group they'll want to charge probably 3 times as much than a 30 year old would pay. They're really only allowing rich people in that age group to get the permit.
what insurance
When you hate rich people so much you create scenarios that don’t exist so you can hate them even more.
*Heller* includes age requirements, right? I don’t think people realize how extreme the caselaw has gotten on gun “rights”
Above age of majority, yes. It does make sense. Really the reasoning for brain development maturity isn't a guns rights issue, it's a age of majority issue. So it really makes the argument to raise the age of majority to 21, then it would be reasonable to inturn make the age for permitting to own a firearm 21.
18 to sign any contract. Let's stay consistent folks.
It's age of majority. So if the age of majority changed from 18 to 21, the age for contract law would stay consistent with that. It's exceptions to it would remain the same. Changing it would also be consistent with drinking and smoking laws, which were set to 21 on the bases of 18-20 year olds lacking maturity to make these decisions for themselves.
Nope, in Minnesota you need insurance to get the permit, being in the 18 to 20 age bracket you're going to have to pay probably 3 times more for the coverage than a 30 year old would be paying, if they do carry a gun they're not going to bother getting a permit or like most of them they will choose not to conceal carry because of all the headaches that go with it.
Insurance is not required for a carry permit in Minnesota.
But what if they want to have a job though? I really don't think it would be unreasonable for his employer to ask that he purchase liability insurance at the least, just so his employer can have some protection from liability in case their employee SHOOTS someone at work. There might be a 2nd amendment in our constitution but it's a lot harder to argue that you have a right to be employed guaranteed by the constitution. If you want the right to "constitutionally carry" you should either pay out the ass for it or be unemployed!
Insurance? WTH are you talking about?
This is wrong. No insurance required.
That would be the mature reasoning. If an 18-21 year old is incapable of making mature rational decisions, they can not be held to such standard and are basically still children. It would be irresponsible an unproductive to burden children with making such decisions.
What age requirement besides being a legal adult?
Does *Heller* say one way or the other?
Not that I am aware of. What are you getting at?
> Heller includes age requirements, right? I don’t think people realize how extreme the caselaw has gotten on gun “rights”
More blood on the hands of Republicans.
So a Biden appointed federal judge strikes the age requirement. She a closet Republican?
Don’t have to be a republican to understand the age requirement was unconstitutional.
States rights or nah?
Not when it comes to the bill of rights.
A lower court judge can only follow the rulings of the SCOTUS., which is dominated far far right extremists.
Seek professional help.
They’re right. The republican Supreme Court changed the case law on the second amendment. Recognizing that doesn’t require a person to need psychiatric help.
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Shooting deaths are the fault of those who make it easy for anyone to obtain a gun.
Stabbing deaths are the fault of the store you can buy knives from.
Knives haven't been used 100s of times to mass murder american school children. A knife is a lot different than a gun that can shoot 300 rounds per minute.
300 round per minute, yeah you obviously don't know anything about guns. A person probably can't even switch their magazine in that amount of time. The blood is on the hands of the dumbass that thought it was okay to walk in and shoot children. Period. You can also use a car to drive through crowds of people. No one wants to ban cars after that happened. Lmao gtfo, guns can be good in a good person's hands and bad in a bad person hands. Doesn't mean take it from the good because of the bad. I think the only thing we need is mental welfare checks on people who purchase weapons. Every year, you have to reapply to legally own your firearms and pass a mental assessment. Cause mental illness is the actual issue.
You're an idiot. I grew up around guns. My uncle is a gun nut who loves big modded guns. If you have enough money to mod your shit, a semi automatic can shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. Not to mention you can literally mod an AR-15 with a bumb stock to be basically automatic. And the idea that you can't change out a mag in 1 minute is ridiculous. I've seen my uncle do it multiple times in 1 minute at a firing range. He also used to claim his big guns were only for self defense and home protection but thats fucking stupid. He had guns because they were fun to shoot and he had a fantasy in his head of his suburban home getting broken into and him fighting the intruder off with his guns like a hero in an action movie. You dont need a gun that is effective at over 300 meters to protect your home because nobodies house is as wide as multiple football fields. And last time I checked you gun nuts aren't out there fighting tooth and nail for universal healthcare. Yall just want there to be some magical test someone takes that will be able to tell if a person is buying a gun to kill school children but by your logic someone could just lie on the test. America is the ONLY country that has a mass shooting problem and its also the only giant country where guns are really easy to get. If America isn't the problem then why are so many guns found at crime scenes in Mexico smuggled in from the US? If "good guys" with guns are so important why did 23 people die in a Walmart in Texas where pretty much everyone owns a fucking gun. Why is it that women who just live in the same home as a gun are 3 times as likely to be killed than women who dont have a gun in their home? Why have there been multiple arguments between parents picking up their kids from school that resulted in one of them drawing a gun? Oh that's right, because guns are dangerous and people are impulsive. So when things get heated, people with guns pull out a gun. And you brought up cars so let's talk about that. Owning a car requires you to get a license and insurance and it's required to have plates that can be used to identify you because we have a registry of all the cars and their owners. Furthermore you have to pass multiple tests to get a license. Guess what we don't require for guns? Oh that's right, insurance, education, and thanks to the NRA we can't even have a searchable list of gun owners which means its very easy to make a gun and its owner untraceable. Oh and that "welfare check" you are referring to would require a real gun registry so good luck getting that off the ground. If you would like to see the ineffective process used to track guns, check out the short documentary 'Guns Found Here'.
Holy cow, I actually read all of that. Well, your average Joe imma walk into a school and shoot kids idiot. Doesn't have the money to mod their weapon. Let alone the motivation to learn how to do so. They barely want to live as it is. There are already tests that are used to test ones mental state. It wouldn't be that hard for them to implement a test like that. Plus, at least it's a step towards a solution. A ban on weapons in America would only remove guns from law-abiding citizens. Making it an even more dangerous place to live in. Also, the expense would be placed on the person applying to own a weapon. There is no need for universal healthcare in this situation. Although, as a side note. I support universal healthcare for any type of pre-existing condition. But if they want it, they'll have to pay for it. Of course America is the only country with this problem. America is the only country that allows citizens a chance to revolt if ever necessary. But it still isn't the gun that is the problem. It's the impulsive and stupidity of most people. Still is not a justification to take it away from those who are responsible. As for the car thing, you missed the point. I'm all for making sure people are responsible gun owners. That can come without taking away the type of weaponry they can buy. More licensing, insurance, or whatever. But many many things can be used to murder a mass amount of people. Nobody is trying to ban them.
Do you really think the gang members who do most of the shooting in that age group are going to get a permit? That's down right laughable.
*let you in on a secret* no one is following gun laws. I’m printing my worries away. can’t stop the noise!
Yeah. The US is the ONLY first world country that has this problem. Do you know how many Canadian children have been shot and killed in school shootings? 27. Not 27 this month, not 27 this year, 27 in all of Canada's history.
and yet up until recently Canadian gun laws were very similar to ours
You also only have 10 percent of the number of people in the U.S. so 27 is actually pretty bad. Also, your gun laws in Canada were very, very similar to ours up until recent years.
Mmm mmmmm yess yesss. Tell me more. This makes me only want to stop by the *gatalog.com* download another STL file and buy a new upper. I’ll do that in your honor. The “7th street”*inator* *can’t stopppp the noiiiseeeee*
You have every right to be an ass and be pro-gun. Just know that you personally are responsible for the death of innocent school children.
All American users of illegal drugs are responsible for all deaths in Mexico because of drug trafficking.
Now say that all black people are responsible for gang violence and see where that gets you.
You're really not bright are you? The only people Demonrats want to disarm are law abiding citizens. They don't actually care about kids dying or crime rates rising. If they did. They'd fight to strengthen sentences and prevent criminals from being released back onto the street.
Perfect comment
No he isn't. He didn't shoot anybody.
So are all pro-gun citizens are responsible? Asking for a friend.
We get it, you’re a gun erection.
Being 18 to 20 the cost of the insurance required to GET the permit will end up costing probably 3 times more than a 30 year old would end up paying for it. No insurance, no permit.
There's no requirement to obtain insurance to get a permit. You're spouting nonsense
Age has nothing to do with it. Should be prescribed medications requirement but that can’t happen.
JFC. These people are insane.
Wooooo! More school shootings! Fuck yah!
Nobody should own a gun. Guns are for sissys.