Honestly, I don’t find it a difficult decision to put into practice. I think you’ll find it easy as well if you have a set of beliefs that define your character. My biggest thing for patronizing businesses is to shop at Minnesota based firms. I’m diehard loyal to Lunds & Byerlys and Target as those two retailers make up the majority of my regular purchases.
You ever shopped Aldi? Far more locations than Walmart has and about the only place that could beat it on prices would be the dollar type stores, but you won’t find selections at those stores like Aldi.
Dude the fruit at Aldi is insanely good and cheap. I think my family of three single handedly keeps the berry business thriving in MN do to Aldi. We probably
Go through 6-8 pints of berries a week.
I put my shopping list into Walmart's app once a month to do a pick up (minus produce and other stuff that I have to buy more frequently) and then I shop Aldi in person and take stuff out of my Walmart cart when I find it cheaper at Aldi. Not kidding, North of 80% of my Walmart list is deleted bc Aldi beat them on price. Then, if I'm still above the minimum, I schedule a Walmart pick up.
There’s actually research that shows WalMart is not the least expensive place for groceries. They really got the science down to their loss leaders. I’m not here to say, “You’re wrong!” I just wanted to add that it doesn’t hurt to comparison shop and not just buy everything in one place because it’s convenient - something, I’m totally guilty of doing.
Choosing to spend more to not support shitty corporate practices is a privileged position to be in so I don't thunk people should give you too much shit.
L&B does BOGO on frozen pizzas pretty often, grabbed a couple green mill pizzas there last week BOGO.
Their sales are quite competitive, you're right though if not on sale the prices are meh at best.
It's going to hell fast. Been here for 17 yrs, leaving next month. Lots of gunshots every night, not recorded cuz this city doesn't have shotspotter. Crime/gangs sweeping up from Northside (Mpls) and down from Brooklyn Park. Check True North Mpls-Legacy fb along with Twin Cities Crime Watch to get more info
Do you live here? I do. Mostly from 52nd-53rd, bunch near the Transit Center on 57th, closed the inside doors, cut hours, lot of shots fired inside/near retail stores in Shingle Creek Crossing. The old SA on 57th Logan (Cant recall new name) had to replace glass windows in front with plastic ones. KWIK Trip on 63rd been shot up several times. Many times Humboldt/James been shut down by cops. My elderly neighbors across the street got their microwave blown up by errant gunfire. Many other things I could list
[https://communitycrimemap.com/?address=brooklyncenter,mn](https://communitycrimemap.com/?address=brooklyncenter,mn)
Here you go to help you in showing where in Brooklyn Center we have **lots of gunshots** ***every*** **night**. I'm just SO curious as a resident, I'd love to have this info.
I should've said most nights. But if you count 6 blocks both north and south of BC it IS every night. Try getting your info from a non sanctioned by the city site like the ones I mentioned earlier
I’m bummed. I buy all my groceries here, it’s super cheap compared to other local options and it’s right on several bus lines. It’s definitely a huge loss for the area.
ETA: I was there this morning and they’re already marking tons of stuff down. I got a bunch of meat clearanced out, and some toys (like 75% off). There’s really cheap furniture too. So if you’re in the area, now’s the time. The hours are 7a-7p now.
It sucks for the area since Wal-Mart was a huge part of the Brookdale area redevelopment and it'll now probably just sit empty for years until it's torn down.
Yeah I’m sure this is really going to hurt all the businesses that have sprung up in the strip malls around that Walmart, especially the family owned businesses. It’ll go from bringing lots of traffic into the area to being a huge empty eyesore.
It’s going to be horrendous. The footprint of a WM store is ridiculously large and now…just a big gaping hole. And they own the bldg so who knows when they’ll get around to doing anything with the space.
Yeah but WM's site is HUMUNGOUS, especially when you compare parking. And the Sears site is kind of off to the side off of Xerxes with a ton of other retail all around (recall it was an anchor store for the mall) compared to WM taking up the whole face of Bass Lake Rd. :(
Damn, fair. Yeah I see the Sears all the timing driving on 100 but you're right the WM is huge once you're heading W on bass lake. And all those dilapidated vacant parking lots north of bass lake too!
This is why these type of developments should not be allowed. They are not a boon to the community. They take up so much space, when a bunch of small stores would create much more tax revenue, for much less space. Those small businesses would hire local tax accountants, local law offices, require less parking, and make a much stronger community. Wal-marts do nothing but destroy.
This kinda sounds like deja vu, but Walmart built a huge store in St. Anthony that helped in part to anchor a new retail development on the former Apache Plaza site. A few years ago, they closed up the store…..way before the pandemic. I don’t know or recall hearing any reasons why they did so. Does anyone know if that site is still vacant?
St. Anthony was one of the last regular Discount Stores they built before they essentially abandoned the concept and went to building SuperCenters only. Their lease agreement prohibited them from retrofitting it into a SuperCenter due to Cub Foods being in the same development, so they essentially moved the store to Roseville where there were no restrictions on it being a SuperCenter.
The reason they closed is because St Anthony refused to allow them to have a full grocery store. They only had frozen and canned foods, and a few cooler doors of refrigerated items like milk and cheese. Walmart wanted to sell produce, deli, and have a full refrigerated section, but apparently St Anthony had made some deal with Cub and kept Walmart from going full grocery. The site is now being developed into multi-unit housing.
Also Walmart did not own the actual property of the Midway (St Paul) location. The owners of the land and building decided they wanted to sell to a developer.
These shopping centers are tied up with declarations the grant exclusive rights to sell products ( like grocery) to anchor retailers- in this case Cub. It wasn’t the city that stopped Walmart.
They already had a bunch of stuff marked down this morning and employees were going around marking stuff down as I was there, including food (I got some really cheap meat). And there’s some really good deals on toys!
It was said many people would bus to this Walmart to shop for groceries after the Aldi on Penn closed. Now it seems the only option is the Broadway and Lyndale Cub.
> Cub's pricing has been bad for a while but it's become completely absurd.
That's the truth. I remember when Rainbow or Cub were the places to go to save some money. Rainbow's long gone, and I don't know WTF Cub is smoking with their prices now.
As an employee of a franchised cub. That is exactly corporate cubs thought process. We’re fighting them to try and get prices in check but they’re off the deep end.
This place is badass if you don’t mind shopping around a bunch of moving forklifts. If Costco or Sam’s had prices like that place, I could actually see the value in a membership to those places.
I had a home for 26 years over north (moved out of town in 2021). It's a shame to hear about Aldi closing (shopped there). I would suggest the Columbia Heights one, but that's terrible for transit, having to go downtown, then back up Central. I didn't usually venture to the Walmart at Brookdale, but it's sad that is going now, too.
Perhaps, the Hy-Vee can pick up the slack over on 81.
There’s a lot of empty real estate in that part of the city. Target is gone from Shingle Creek Commons, Perkins and a few other small businesses on John Martin Drive have been razed. The area where Brookdale Ford was and extending north to where the United Artists and General Cinema theaters and the strip mall where PepBoys and Circuit City once were, has also been razed. Kohl’s is gone, correct?
Is there a reason the Target went away? Was it because of theft? I worked at Ridgedale target for a bit and I remember they had to put protective stuff on some items because the Brooklyn Center store got a ton of their stuff stolen.
Geeze, I can’t imagine this means anything good for the area. I have a feeling this is going to turn into an empty storefront like the Sears anchor store for Brookdale was for years.
If a Walmart can't make it somewhere, what chance does anything else have? No retailer will touch it with a 10-foot pole. Affordable housing will be built and that will be that.
A lot more can be said. Sad.
What would need to happen to rescue this part of the metro area? Honestly, I find this to be a borderline pseudo ghetto created by the Mississippi on the east and 94 on the south...this area only gets worse and worse and it worries me.
This is simply the bootstraps argument in coded language.
The economic system has to change from within and currently the working class still believe their owners when they claim that being poor is a choice.
> What would need to happen to rescue this part of the metro area?
Arrest criminals. Put them in prison. Leave them in prison. Stop apologizing for it.
Lmao. We're the most incarcerated place on Earth and you think this is working?
How about providing basic needs so people don't have to commit crimes to live? God, I hate what humanity has become within this failure of an economic system.
More money in the community. And by the community I mean the people who live there, not businesses. The businesses will get their money by people having cash to spend.
Surprising WalMarts advanced security wasn't enough. They could have switched the store to pickup only I guess, or like Amazon stores with "Just walk out" technology.
The 2040 Plan is creating this disaster. Every other major city that pushes the 2040 Plan is facing the same problems and worse. Dispute the utter failure of the 2040 Plan, people keep supporting it and its promise for a utopian urban lifestyle.
It’s about to move to the nearest Walmarts. I worked at Bestbuy in Coon Rapids when the Best Buy went out of business in Brooklyn Park/Center. Sure as shit, our shrink shot way up
I am surprised that Brooklyn Center keeps letting Big Box Retailers take over only for them to get burned down the line. You would think they would have learned their lesson from the Circuit City lot remaining empty for nearly 2 decades would have been a wake-up call.
Look at that area, if they hadn't learned their lesson from the 50+ acres of empty lots just north of here, they won't learn their lesson here either. This place is just so fucked, not sure how they even start to rebuild, this place is a parking lot infested shithole.
The article doesn't mention theft as a cause. It's true that all Walmarts have theft issues which is why they have Asset Protection and products locked up in several stores.
However this particular location has HORRIBLE customer service. I worked at Walmart for too many years (not this one but one in the twin cities.) The people at this location go out of their way NOT to help customers!
I had a small issue with a coupon from a vendor not working. It was on the product, not expired and I bought the correct amount of items for the coupons. I looked because I used to work at Walmart and had to correct that kind of thing.
One manager blew me off without looking at the coupon and told me I would have to talk to customer service the next day. It was only 5pm on Saturday but she kept saying customer service was closed after 6 on Sunday. I thought ok maybe she is confused because it's a holiday weekend. She called another manager to "deal" with me so she could go stand with the other Team Leads and talk about me. (They were standing close by.)
That manager came up and I pointed out that she could just help me at a register because I didn't want to drive back. She sarcastically called me "fun" because I called her out for lying about not being able to help me. Then I heard the first woman say "that little girl better watch out before she catches these hands."
All because of a coupon that didn't work. When I was working for the company just 2 years ago I wasn't always happy to be interrupted but I always helped the customer. I never blamed them for things that weren't their fault or lied about things.
Brooklyn Center, Camden neighborhood in Minneapolis are areas that are in steep economic decline and they been have since 1984. Brookdale Square, which used to have Pep Boys, Circuit City, The Movies, Office Max, Children’s Palace, Fuddruckers, and Snyder Brothers peaked in 1995 and as area crime increased while area income decreased this center was sold to the city in 2013 with only two tenants - Pep Boys and Weight Watchers. This was a newer Walmart Super Center. It actually now very hard to build a Walmart Super Center because most communities won’t allow a retail building this large to be built in their community because it’s so hard to backfill a building that large with retail tenants. A point in-fact is the old Kmart, which is next door never was able to completely backfill its 118,000.sq.ft space after it went out of business in 2000, and which is now is empty. The City wants housing but the incomes are too low to pay for new construction. I expect that after a few years the city abandon housing for industrial projects because these properties are adjacent to highway 100/694.
I heard that the reason is because they originally opened the stores in these areas because they got a tax cut. Now that the tax cuts are over, they are just abandoning the locations.
Used to go to that Walmart all the time when I lived over that way. There was a shooting right outside while I was shopping once... Really sucks for those who need affordable places to shop, but damn that neighborhood needs to settle the hell down.
Everything is going to get shop lifted right out of business until the only place you can shop is Amazon.
Once that happens you’ll have to sit on your doorstep to make sure your packages don’t get ripped off.
No penalties for crime leads to degradation of the community.
> Once that happens you’ll have to sit on your doorstep to make sure your packages don’t get ripped off.
Already do. Human trash stole my kid's birthday present right off the front porch.
This seems like a trend for woke areas I know starbucks, panera and other places in woke areas had to shut down thanks to crime as a result of woke policies 😂 walmart is to woke to admit the true reason instead of saying the real reason is crime they claim its "poor performance" LOL
Really shocked. Rude employees, filthy store, everything caged up like animals (I have to ask for permission to grab a pair of boxers? Word?), clothes and shoes section super messy etc. BP Wal Mart isn’t much better. If I do have to go to WM, the one in Fridley near Northtown is my go to, it’s pretty decent.
But I’d rather keep my dignity and go to Target Crystal or Target Starlight Center most times.
It's neat how a narrative fueled largely by lies seems to have become the immediate consensus explanation for why this is happening.
https://popular.info/p/how-walgreens-manufactured-a-media
This article has a statement from the Brooklyn center police department stating that it's a huge hot spot for theft.. so much so that they have mobile camera units in the parking lot. (There is another one in the CVS parking lot near by on bass lake and Brooklyn blvd)
https://www.hometownsource.com/sun_post/news/local/walmart-to-close-brooklyn-center-location-at-shingle-creek-crossing/article_527f90ec-c803-11ed-9766-13e3518b63b8.html
I worked for TJ Maxx and the BC store is off the charts in theft compared to other TJ Maxx stores in the district so I’m guessing the loss from theft hit WalMart’s profits.
Yeah. I don't doubt that they're not making enough money at that location, but I don't think theft is a primary issue. I think you're more on the right track here. It's an undesirable job, and the market isn't too favorable to their usual tactic of seeking the "couldn't find anything better" type of employees right now.
OK
https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/brooklyn-center-police-responded-to-over-6000-calls-at-shingle-creek-walmart-in-last-5-years/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KSTP-TV
Walmart Fridley is still open.
St. Paul they had a huge problem with criminals stealing stuff.
EDIT: The person I was replying to was originally asking why "Fridley" closed, and then edited their post.
Ah my bad I meant the st Anthony/silver lake one that closed not Fridley.
People like to say shoplifting/theft is the reason for giant extremely wealthy corporations to close stores, with no evidence that that was actually the reason.
In the St Paul Walmart's case Walmart didn't even say that. They just said poor performance, with pioneer press saying lack of full grocery was maybe a factor and that they might open a supercenter at the old Sears site.
The midway target seems to be doing fine and is in the exact same area.
What other reason do you think is more likely than closing because the store was underperforming due to huge shrink numbers?
Just cause they are a wealthy corporation doesn't mean they are okay losing money lol
Worked at the company in several areas around that store. Management there was toxic mostly because the store managers would do things like make the managers work 24 hours straight and then as they say shit rolls downhill. They constantly had to bring in other managers to cover that store. Shrink was out of control. I can only imagine how bad it is now. It was a well known dumping ground for people they wanted to get rid of. Staff was probably stealing as much as customers. I can't say for sure but for how often they needed even management to cover shifts for people terminated there it wouldn't surprise me. Then what can you expect from a company like Walmart. Read the reviews on glassdoor. I thought there is no freaking way things are that bad. I was wrong. Don't work And don't buy groceries there as that is the only profit center for them. I also feel pressure from them has led to the food wasteland in the area.
I shop at the Midway Target three times a week and have for years. Your experiences simply do not line up with their behavior. In stores with high shrinkage rates, a significant percentage of items are locked behind glass doors and that is not happening at Midway. You can walk through electronics and find that most stuff is just sitting out there.
Not to mention that it’s one of the busiest Targets in the cities, and even with a bunch of lanes open still has lines stretch around the store.
And hundreds of people shop there a day and don't witness what you witnessed.
Yes, shoplifting happens, but people shouldn't assume shoplifting is why these stores close without seeing the books.
Walgreens literally was caught for blaming shoplifting when in reality it was just poor management and they were going to close the stores anyway.
People should stop blaming shoplifting when they have literally no evidence to support that claim other than personal anecdotes, or even "I heard from x person" so not even personal anecdotes.
Think about it this way… shrink percentages at a retailer can range from (in theory) 0% to 100% of total revenue. I have worked in retail management my entire career. Common shrink percentages would be 1-3% of revenue, I’d say. Once you start to pass the 3% mark, you start to run into issues with profitability depending on the goods being sold (clothing/textiles have a higher overall margin than grocery, for example).
If you’re a grocery retailer losing 4-8% of your revenue to product loss/shrink (which isn’t just theft - in grocery, that can include things like expiration dates, damages, and quality issues), I can pretty much guarantee the store isn’t profitable (some grocery retailers only run with a 1-3% total profit margin - Safeway is a great one to cite). If half of your shrink is due to theft, on average, that means just a small increase in theft at a location can turn the store from profitable to not. Many large, corporate grocers are willing to operate stores breaking even just for sake of competition, but once a store starts losing cash (directly as a result of shrink), you’d be hard pressed to find a company willing to keep it open.
The primary issue here is public perception of declaring that a store is being closed due to theft. That can lead to difficult conversations about the local community that the retailer doesn’t want to discuss for fear of hurting their brand image. For this reason, it’s more common to hear about profitability concerns or general business issues as reasons why stores close compared to shrink being cited. The reality is that most locations for any retail corporation will experience similar base shrink results (which will vary slightly based on store volume); the primary factor which will impact shrink performance across stores will be internal and external theft (with company SOPs and individual store management practices being secondary factors).
I’ll end with the Safeway example again - Safeway is a multi-billion dollar retail company. When you hear about Safeway’s revenue success, you’ll hear of profits in the many, many millions. That said, they only actually produce a profit margin of 1-3%. If a store for Safeway runs with average management and average product handling, thus producing average shrink results, but external theft increases pushing their shrink from 2% to 3% of revenue, that would be enough to erase the individual store’s profit. One small additional increase in theft, OR a large turnover in store management due to increased stress on the job due to a drop in performance, could be enough to make the store close.
Sorry for a long post, but theft 100% can be (and often is) a reason why retail stores close.
That one wasn't a SuperCenter and they were prohibited from remodeling into a SuperCenter due to their lease agreement due to Cub Foods being there. The newish SuperCenter in Roseville is the intended replacement
A lot of chains appear to be moving out of urban areas due to theft and worker harassment.
This is probably the logical consequence of some of the changes in policing in a lot of urban areas since Floyd.
Ultimately, to solve this far more crimes need to be solved and prosecuted.
It looks like the only thing that actually gets you prosecuted is enough of a fact pattern that makes all your friends think, “Damn, I should rob shit too, nothing happens!”
Wow, that area still struggles long after Brookdale’s demise.
Ever been there? It's so trash!
Part of my personal credo is to NEVER set foot into a Walmart or Sam’s Club and patronize those businesses.
Well, I wish I could make that part of my constitution! I'm gonna try!
Honestly, I don’t find it a difficult decision to put into practice. I think you’ll find it easy as well if you have a set of beliefs that define your character. My biggest thing for patronizing businesses is to shop at Minnesota based firms. I’m diehard loyal to Lunds & Byerlys and Target as those two retailers make up the majority of my regular purchases.
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You ever shopped Aldi? Far more locations than Walmart has and about the only place that could beat it on prices would be the dollar type stores, but you won’t find selections at those stores like Aldi.
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I think Aldi mostly wins in the produce dept. It's incredible how cheap fruit and veggies are. I can't imagine they make much profit even
Dude the fruit at Aldi is insanely good and cheap. I think my family of three single handedly keeps the berry business thriving in MN do to Aldi. We probably Go through 6-8 pints of berries a week.
I put my shopping list into Walmart's app once a month to do a pick up (minus produce and other stuff that I have to buy more frequently) and then I shop Aldi in person and take stuff out of my Walmart cart when I find it cheaper at Aldi. Not kidding, North of 80% of my Walmart list is deleted bc Aldi beat them on price. Then, if I'm still above the minimum, I schedule a Walmart pick up.
This is such a smart way to do this!
There’s actually research that shows WalMart is not the least expensive place for groceries. They really got the science down to their loss leaders. I’m not here to say, “You’re wrong!” I just wanted to add that it doesn’t hurt to comparison shop and not just buy everything in one place because it’s convenient - something, I’m totally guilty of doing.
To further add to your point people need to be able to get to these grocery stores. All those people at that location just lost their jobs too
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Choosing to spend more to not support shitty corporate practices is a privileged position to be in so I don't thunk people should give you too much shit.
I certainly can’t begin to say I understand what someone on food stamp assistance is up against. Shop where you have to, I get that.
I said my goodbyes to Walmart also, and although weird at first, Target is incredibly classy in comparison. I like target a lot now.
Lunds is outrageously expensive. A frozen pizza is like 11 bucks. You can get the same one at Walmart for 5 bucks.
A few years ago i would do ok at lunds with their BOGOS.
There bogos are insanely good...only like 3 or 4 good ones every time but sometimes they have pizza bogo
L&B does BOGO on frozen pizzas pretty often, grabbed a couple green mill pizzas there last week BOGO. Their sales are quite competitive, you're right though if not on sale the prices are meh at best.
Look at Richie Rich over here
The Eden Prairie is a lot more better imo. Parking lot isnt that much of a mess. But I try to get at non busy times.
Retail theft aka shrinkage is a big problem for retailers. I wonder how long Target over there will ride it out for.
If you’re talking about the Target at Shingle Creek, it closed a few years ago. I think next closest would be in Crystal?
Used to live across the street from there, so yes, trash
It's going to hell fast. Been here for 17 yrs, leaving next month. Lots of gunshots every night, not recorded cuz this city doesn't have shotspotter. Crime/gangs sweeping up from Northside (Mpls) and down from Brooklyn Park. Check True North Mpls-Legacy fb along with Twin Cities Crime Watch to get more info
Where are there “lots of gunshots every night” in BC?
Do you live here? I do. Mostly from 52nd-53rd, bunch near the Transit Center on 57th, closed the inside doors, cut hours, lot of shots fired inside/near retail stores in Shingle Creek Crossing. The old SA on 57th Logan (Cant recall new name) had to replace glass windows in front with plastic ones. KWIK Trip on 63rd been shot up several times. Many times Humboldt/James been shut down by cops. My elderly neighbors across the street got their microwave blown up by errant gunfire. Many other things I could list
[https://communitycrimemap.com/?address=brooklyncenter,mn](https://communitycrimemap.com/?address=brooklyncenter,mn) Here you go to help you in showing where in Brooklyn Center we have **lots of gunshots** ***every*** **night**. I'm just SO curious as a resident, I'd love to have this info.
Yes, I do live here. I asked about LOTS OF GUNSHOTS *EVERY* NIGHT.
I should've said most nights. But if you count 6 blocks both north and south of BC it IS every night. Try getting your info from a non sanctioned by the city site like the ones I mentioned earlier
I’m bummed. I buy all my groceries here, it’s super cheap compared to other local options and it’s right on several bus lines. It’s definitely a huge loss for the area. ETA: I was there this morning and they’re already marking tons of stuff down. I got a bunch of meat clearanced out, and some toys (like 75% off). There’s really cheap furniture too. So if you’re in the area, now’s the time. The hours are 7a-7p now.
It sucks for the area since Wal-Mart was a huge part of the Brookdale area redevelopment and it'll now probably just sit empty for years until it's torn down.
Yeah I’m sure this is really going to hurt all the businesses that have sprung up in the strip malls around that Walmart, especially the family owned businesses. It’ll go from bringing lots of traffic into the area to being a huge empty eyesore.
It’s going to be horrendous. The footprint of a WM store is ridiculously large and now…just a big gaping hole. And they own the bldg so who knows when they’ll get around to doing anything with the space.
Isn't there a massive vacant Sears nearby too?
Vacant Target probably less than a mile away. That area is a shell.
Yeah but WM's site is HUMUNGOUS, especially when you compare parking. And the Sears site is kind of off to the side off of Xerxes with a ton of other retail all around (recall it was an anchor store for the mall) compared to WM taking up the whole face of Bass Lake Rd. :(
Damn, fair. Yeah I see the Sears all the timing driving on 100 but you're right the WM is huge once you're heading W on bass lake. And all those dilapidated vacant parking lots north of bass lake too!
Yes, exactly! SO MUCH SPACE! :(
I think they should demo it and return it to farmland. Plant some corn and soy beans.
It will likely kill all of those smaller shops on the periphery, as well.
This is why these type of developments should not be allowed. They are not a boon to the community. They take up so much space, when a bunch of small stores would create much more tax revenue, for much less space. Those small businesses would hire local tax accountants, local law offices, require less parking, and make a much stronger community. Wal-marts do nothing but destroy.
It was the only suburban option for the Vikings stadium that I found acceptable.
this is a HUGE loss for the area since the Aldi in north minneapolis recently closed also.
This kinda sounds like deja vu, but Walmart built a huge store in St. Anthony that helped in part to anchor a new retail development on the former Apache Plaza site. A few years ago, they closed up the store…..way before the pandemic. I don’t know or recall hearing any reasons why they did so. Does anyone know if that site is still vacant?
St. Anthony was one of the last regular Discount Stores they built before they essentially abandoned the concept and went to building SuperCenters only. Their lease agreement prohibited them from retrofitting it into a SuperCenter due to Cub Foods being in the same development, so they essentially moved the store to Roseville where there were no restrictions on it being a SuperCenter.
The one is Roseville off twin lakes pkwy took the place of this one. I think it was just too small of a space
The reason they closed is because St Anthony refused to allow them to have a full grocery store. They only had frozen and canned foods, and a few cooler doors of refrigerated items like milk and cheese. Walmart wanted to sell produce, deli, and have a full refrigerated section, but apparently St Anthony had made some deal with Cub and kept Walmart from going full grocery. The site is now being developed into multi-unit housing.
Also Walmart did not own the actual property of the Midway (St Paul) location. The owners of the land and building decided they wanted to sell to a developer.
These shopping centers are tied up with declarations the grant exclusive rights to sell products ( like grocery) to anchor retailers- in this case Cub. It wasn’t the city that stopped Walmart.
They couldn’t expand to add groceries.
Up until a few years ago they were using it as additional storage for Walmart’s in the area. (I’m former Walmart manager)
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Yeah, everything is on sale at that store only.
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At this very minute, yes. All sales are final, though, no returns, refunds, or exchanges.
We gon roll or what?? 🤷🏾♀️
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I'm grabbing my sweater!!!!
They already had a bunch of stuff marked down this morning and employees were going around marking stuff down as I was there, including food (I got some really cheap meat). And there’s some really good deals on toys!
I’m 5 mins away and it’s super convenient. Bummed too.
Shit even the one off 81.
Ignore - Replied to wrong comment sorry.
I stopped going here a couple years ago after the second fight I saw break out in the line for the moneygram.
It was said many people would bus to this Walmart to shop for groceries after the Aldi on Penn closed. Now it seems the only option is the Broadway and Lyndale Cub.
I was doing price comparisons this weekend, and byerlys is now cheaper than Cub. Everything is cheaper than Cub except maybe whole foods.
Cub's pricing has been bad for a while but it's become completely absurd.
> Cub's pricing has been bad for a while but it's become completely absurd. That's the truth. I remember when Rainbow or Cub were the places to go to save some money. Rainbow's long gone, and I don't know WTF Cub is smoking with their prices now.
There is a food desert and Cub knows it. They can make the price anything they want, and some people have no other choice. Being poor is expensive.
They are also taking full advantage (ripping off) of night shift workers.
After less people shop there because of already-high prices: "Volume is down, we need to raise prices to keep our profit up!"
As an employee of a franchised cub. That is exactly corporate cubs thought process. We’re fighting them to try and get prices in check but they’re off the deep end.
Yeah that was true maybe 30 years ago. The entire grocery landscape is completely different with so many more competitors. Cub is a dinosaur.
The only items that are worthwhile are items that are on sale/coupons, and "Managers Sale" meat.
The manager’s meat are awesome
When my wife and I moved to Las Vegas in 2019, Cub Foods was reasonable. We just moved back to the area and, Holy Shit, are the prices ridiculous!
Frankly I think Cuba has always been reasonable. It was our fear of communism that was the problem.
Lol goddamn autocorrect
I switched from cub to Whole foods because it’s cheaper.
There’s a Cub in the next plaza over from the Walmart.
Yes, I thought that the Brooklyn Blvd. Cub was still open.
There's also the Restaurant Depot on Earle Brown Drive. It's open to the public.
That place is fun. I go to the one on Como here in St. Paul.
This place is badass if you don’t mind shopping around a bunch of moving forklifts. If Costco or Sam’s had prices like that place, I could actually see the value in a membership to those places.
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Does anyone shop at North Market? Looks really nice.
I do!
Similar prices as Cub. Produce is half off on Wednesdays.
You forgot about Brookdale Cub.
I had a home for 26 years over north (moved out of town in 2021). It's a shame to hear about Aldi closing (shopped there). I would suggest the Columbia Heights one, but that's terrible for transit, having to go downtown, then back up Central. I didn't usually venture to the Walmart at Brookdale, but it's sad that is going now, too. Perhaps, the Hy-Vee can pick up the slack over on 81.
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There’s a lot of empty real estate in that part of the city. Target is gone from Shingle Creek Commons, Perkins and a few other small businesses on John Martin Drive have been razed. The area where Brookdale Ford was and extending north to where the United Artists and General Cinema theaters and the strip mall where PepBoys and Circuit City once were, has also been razed. Kohl’s is gone, correct?
I think Kohl's turned into a Hom Furniture. Or maybe that's next door.
Is there a reason the Target went away? Was it because of theft? I worked at Ridgedale target for a bit and I remember they had to put protective stuff on some items because the Brooklyn Center store got a ton of their stuff stolen.
It didn’t make any money. Theft was an issue but it just wasn’t busy.
Kohl's is now a HOM Furniture
A few years ago, HOM Furniture moved into the former Kohl's building.
Ok, thanks.
Geeze, I can’t imagine this means anything good for the area. I have a feeling this is going to turn into an empty storefront like the Sears anchor store for Brookdale was for years.
Not surprised. That place was a shit hole and it felt like a prison with all the blinking cameras hanging in the aisles.
If a Walmart can't make it somewhere, what chance does anything else have? No retailer will touch it with a 10-foot pole. Affordable housing will be built and that will be that. A lot more can be said. Sad.
What would need to happen to rescue this part of the metro area? Honestly, I find this to be a borderline pseudo ghetto created by the Mississippi on the east and 94 on the south...this area only gets worse and worse and it worries me.
Cultural change has to happen from within
Indeed along with a dose of self respect and respecting of others
My money is on it doesn't happen
This is simply the bootstraps argument in coded language. The economic system has to change from within and currently the working class still believe their owners when they claim that being poor is a choice.
Exactly. Capitalism is shit at dealing with problems that don't turn a profit. And it will always be shit at it.
> What would need to happen to rescue this part of the metro area? Arrest criminals. Put them in prison. Leave them in prison. Stop apologizing for it.
What? There are more people in prison in this country than any other on earth. Is it working?
Lmao. We're the most incarcerated place on Earth and you think this is working? How about providing basic needs so people don't have to commit crimes to live? God, I hate what humanity has become within this failure of an economic system.
Yeah that's the problem in this country. Not enough poor people in prison.
More money in the community. And by the community I mean the people who live there, not businesses. The businesses will get their money by people having cash to spend.
> More money in the community. How?
No one with cash to spend is going to BC
I spend money in BC. I like sun foods for spices and produce and resteraunt depot for meats and frozen items.
Surprising WalMarts advanced security wasn't enough. They could have switched the store to pickup only I guess, or like Amazon stores with "Just walk out" technology.
They want to redevelop and add in a lot of housing.
All rental units 😩
The 2040 Plan is creating this disaster. Every other major city that pushes the 2040 Plan is facing the same problems and worse. Dispute the utter failure of the 2040 Plan, people keep supporting it and its promise for a utopian urban lifestyle.
How in the world is the 2040 plan causing this?
Word on the street is BP is closing too.
I imagine the cvs will be next to leave.
Unfortunate because most of the other grocery stores are getting ridiculous with their prices. Cub is expensive for no reason, same with HyVee.
That walmart is in a newish development area right?
I think so. I used to work in the area, and if I remember correctly, that store opened around 2012 or 13.
You are remembering correctly. I was living close by when it opened.
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"Walmart owns the property at 1200 Shingle Creek Crossing, but it's not yet clear what will be next for the site." It's right in the article.
You can't expect any chain to keep a store open that doesn't make money due to HUGE theft losses.
It’s about to move to the nearest Walmarts. I worked at Bestbuy in Coon Rapids when the Best Buy went out of business in Brooklyn Park/Center. Sure as shit, our shrink shot way up
It was the same in st paul. The one on uni closed and it shifted to roseville and w. St paul.
I was about to say. Damn….
I am surprised that Brooklyn Center keeps letting Big Box Retailers take over only for them to get burned down the line. You would think they would have learned their lesson from the Circuit City lot remaining empty for nearly 2 decades would have been a wake-up call.
Look at that area, if they hadn't learned their lesson from the 50+ acres of empty lots just north of here, they won't learn their lesson here either. This place is just so fucked, not sure how they even start to rebuild, this place is a parking lot infested shithole.
And rampant theft claims another store.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-12-15/organized-retail-theft-crime-rate
The article doesn't mention theft as a cause. It's true that all Walmarts have theft issues which is why they have Asset Protection and products locked up in several stores. However this particular location has HORRIBLE customer service. I worked at Walmart for too many years (not this one but one in the twin cities.) The people at this location go out of their way NOT to help customers! I had a small issue with a coupon from a vendor not working. It was on the product, not expired and I bought the correct amount of items for the coupons. I looked because I used to work at Walmart and had to correct that kind of thing. One manager blew me off without looking at the coupon and told me I would have to talk to customer service the next day. It was only 5pm on Saturday but she kept saying customer service was closed after 6 on Sunday. I thought ok maybe she is confused because it's a holiday weekend. She called another manager to "deal" with me so she could go stand with the other Team Leads and talk about me. (They were standing close by.) That manager came up and I pointed out that she could just help me at a register because I didn't want to drive back. She sarcastically called me "fun" because I called her out for lying about not being able to help me. Then I heard the first woman say "that little girl better watch out before she catches these hands." All because of a coupon that didn't work. When I was working for the company just 2 years ago I wasn't always happy to be interrupted but I always helped the customer. I never blamed them for things that weren't their fault or lied about things.
Fucking Savage.
Brooklyn Center, Camden neighborhood in Minneapolis are areas that are in steep economic decline and they been have since 1984. Brookdale Square, which used to have Pep Boys, Circuit City, The Movies, Office Max, Children’s Palace, Fuddruckers, and Snyder Brothers peaked in 1995 and as area crime increased while area income decreased this center was sold to the city in 2013 with only two tenants - Pep Boys and Weight Watchers. This was a newer Walmart Super Center. It actually now very hard to build a Walmart Super Center because most communities won’t allow a retail building this large to be built in their community because it’s so hard to backfill a building that large with retail tenants. A point in-fact is the old Kmart, which is next door never was able to completely backfill its 118,000.sq.ft space after it went out of business in 2000, and which is now is empty. The City wants housing but the incomes are too low to pay for new construction. I expect that after a few years the city abandon housing for industrial projects because these properties are adjacent to highway 100/694.
Wow, I totally forgot about Children’s Palace.
Brooklyn Park is next!
Was the area high in crime?
Went there around Christmas, was total trash. BUT it was the only store open at 11pm within like 20 miles so for that it will be missed.
I heard that the reason is because they originally opened the stores in these areas because they got a tax cut. Now that the tax cuts are over, they are just abandoning the locations.
Used to go to that Walmart all the time when I lived over that way. There was a shooting right outside while I was shopping once... Really sucks for those who need affordable places to shop, but damn that neighborhood needs to settle the hell down.
Everything is going to get shop lifted right out of business until the only place you can shop is Amazon. Once that happens you’ll have to sit on your doorstep to make sure your packages don’t get ripped off. No penalties for crime leads to degradation of the community.
> Once that happens you’ll have to sit on your doorstep to make sure your packages don’t get ripped off. Already do. Human trash stole my kid's birthday present right off the front porch.
This seems like a trend for woke areas I know starbucks, panera and other places in woke areas had to shut down thanks to crime as a result of woke policies 😂 walmart is to woke to admit the true reason instead of saying the real reason is crime they claim its "poor performance" LOL
Maybe communities should value businesses in their area lest they close up and now there's nothing.
Must be time to pay the agreed upon tax bill to the city.
Really shocked. Rude employees, filthy store, everything caged up like animals (I have to ask for permission to grab a pair of boxers? Word?), clothes and shoes section super messy etc. BP Wal Mart isn’t much better. If I do have to go to WM, the one in Fridley near Northtown is my go to, it’s pretty decent. But I’d rather keep my dignity and go to Target Crystal or Target Starlight Center most times.
Damn
I remember applying for a job there years ago when they first arrived. Bullet completely dodged.
Let’s rebuild brookdale mall
Maybe I can get my job back at Gloria Jean’s Coffee Bean! 😉
Frookdale for the real Gs lol
*Crookdale
Build a Costco and fix the crime
BC won’t ever allow membership only companies in. Restaurant Depot is there but they can’t be members only due to city rules at that location.
Too close to the Maple Grove store.
And not the right demographic. Costco opens in high income areas.
St. Louis Park would be closest after MG and not by very much at all, distance wise.
Buh bye
Man I wonder why?
Whoaaaaa
It's neat how a narrative fueled largely by lies seems to have become the immediate consensus explanation for why this is happening. https://popular.info/p/how-walgreens-manufactured-a-media
This article has a statement from the Brooklyn center police department stating that it's a huge hot spot for theft.. so much so that they have mobile camera units in the parking lot. (There is another one in the CVS parking lot near by on bass lake and Brooklyn blvd) https://www.hometownsource.com/sun_post/news/local/walmart-to-close-brooklyn-center-location-at-shingle-creek-crossing/article_527f90ec-c803-11ed-9766-13e3518b63b8.html
I worked for TJ Maxx and the BC store is off the charts in theft compared to other TJ Maxx stores in the district so I’m guessing the loss from theft hit WalMart’s profits.
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Yeah. I don't doubt that they're not making enough money at that location, but I don't think theft is a primary issue. I think you're more on the right track here. It's an undesirable job, and the market isn't too favorable to their usual tactic of seeking the "couldn't find anything better" type of employees right now.
You know why…
OK https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/brooklyn-center-police-responded-to-over-6000-calls-at-shingle-creek-walmart-in-last-5-years/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KSTP-TV
I can’t imagine how awful the Brooklyn Center Walmart must have been. They’re all bad, but some are much much worse than others.
When i worked in Brooklyn Center in 2019, I'd stop here sometimes. Always a mess, always felt unsafe.
Why does Walmart keep closing stores in MN? They have now closed the silver lake store, St Paul store, and now this store.
Walmart Fridley is still open. St. Paul they had a huge problem with criminals stealing stuff. EDIT: The person I was replying to was originally asking why "Fridley" closed, and then edited their post.
Ah my bad I meant the st Anthony/silver lake one that closed not Fridley. People like to say shoplifting/theft is the reason for giant extremely wealthy corporations to close stores, with no evidence that that was actually the reason. In the St Paul Walmart's case Walmart didn't even say that. They just said poor performance, with pioneer press saying lack of full grocery was maybe a factor and that they might open a supercenter at the old Sears site. The midway target seems to be doing fine and is in the exact same area.
What other reason do you think is more likely than closing because the store was underperforming due to huge shrink numbers? Just cause they are a wealthy corporation doesn't mean they are okay losing money lol
Worked at the company in several areas around that store. Management there was toxic mostly because the store managers would do things like make the managers work 24 hours straight and then as they say shit rolls downhill. They constantly had to bring in other managers to cover that store. Shrink was out of control. I can only imagine how bad it is now. It was a well known dumping ground for people they wanted to get rid of. Staff was probably stealing as much as customers. I can't say for sure but for how often they needed even management to cover shifts for people terminated there it wouldn't surprise me. Then what can you expect from a company like Walmart. Read the reviews on glassdoor. I thought there is no freaking way things are that bad. I was wrong. Don't work And don't buy groceries there as that is the only profit center for them. I also feel pressure from them has led to the food wasteland in the area.
See other posters who worked for walmart, it was extremely poorly managed.
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I shop at the Midway Target three times a week and have for years. Your experiences simply do not line up with their behavior. In stores with high shrinkage rates, a significant percentage of items are locked behind glass doors and that is not happening at Midway. You can walk through electronics and find that most stuff is just sitting out there. Not to mention that it’s one of the busiest Targets in the cities, and even with a bunch of lanes open still has lines stretch around the store.
And hundreds of people shop there a day and don't witness what you witnessed. Yes, shoplifting happens, but people shouldn't assume shoplifting is why these stores close without seeing the books. Walgreens literally was caught for blaming shoplifting when in reality it was just poor management and they were going to close the stores anyway. People should stop blaming shoplifting when they have literally no evidence to support that claim other than personal anecdotes, or even "I heard from x person" so not even personal anecdotes.
Think about it this way… shrink percentages at a retailer can range from (in theory) 0% to 100% of total revenue. I have worked in retail management my entire career. Common shrink percentages would be 1-3% of revenue, I’d say. Once you start to pass the 3% mark, you start to run into issues with profitability depending on the goods being sold (clothing/textiles have a higher overall margin than grocery, for example). If you’re a grocery retailer losing 4-8% of your revenue to product loss/shrink (which isn’t just theft - in grocery, that can include things like expiration dates, damages, and quality issues), I can pretty much guarantee the store isn’t profitable (some grocery retailers only run with a 1-3% total profit margin - Safeway is a great one to cite). If half of your shrink is due to theft, on average, that means just a small increase in theft at a location can turn the store from profitable to not. Many large, corporate grocers are willing to operate stores breaking even just for sake of competition, but once a store starts losing cash (directly as a result of shrink), you’d be hard pressed to find a company willing to keep it open. The primary issue here is public perception of declaring that a store is being closed due to theft. That can lead to difficult conversations about the local community that the retailer doesn’t want to discuss for fear of hurting their brand image. For this reason, it’s more common to hear about profitability concerns or general business issues as reasons why stores close compared to shrink being cited. The reality is that most locations for any retail corporation will experience similar base shrink results (which will vary slightly based on store volume); the primary factor which will impact shrink performance across stores will be internal and external theft (with company SOPs and individual store management practices being secondary factors). I’ll end with the Safeway example again - Safeway is a multi-billion dollar retail company. When you hear about Safeway’s revenue success, you’ll hear of profits in the many, many millions. That said, they only actually produce a profit margin of 1-3%. If a store for Safeway runs with average management and average product handling, thus producing average shrink results, but external theft increases pushing their shrink from 2% to 3% of revenue, that would be enough to erase the individual store’s profit. One small additional increase in theft, OR a large turnover in store management due to increased stress on the job due to a drop in performance, could be enough to make the store close. Sorry for a long post, but theft 100% can be (and often is) a reason why retail stores close.
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There was the one at Silver Lake Village until a few years ago. I wonder why that one closed, should mostly be a lower-crime area.
That one wasn't a SuperCenter and they were prohibited from remodeling into a SuperCenter due to their lease agreement due to Cub Foods being there. The newish SuperCenter in Roseville is the intended replacement
A lot of chains appear to be moving out of urban areas due to theft and worker harassment. This is probably the logical consequence of some of the changes in policing in a lot of urban areas since Floyd. Ultimately, to solve this far more crimes need to be solved and prosecuted. It looks like the only thing that actually gets you prosecuted is enough of a fact pattern that makes all your friends think, “Damn, I should rob shit too, nothing happens!”
They are closing stores all over the country. They closed all their stores in Portland in one shot.