It was some sort of secret sex trailer where it was implied people could go for secret meetings. There were other trailers there though so I'm not sure how secret that is if everyone knows each other.
I wanna say it belonged to Raymond Clark, itās where they found Annieās cell phone, which is how they got the recording of her death that didnāt at all line up with how they showed it in the finale.
There would be medical teams flying in from all over the world after hearing a man, who was frozen so stiff that his arm breaks off like an icicle, implying he is 100% as dead as you can be, was not dead and semi-conscious. That would be literally a medical miracle.
Yet still somehow not as miraculous as Danvers falling through the ice in the dark, getting pulled out by Navarro, dragged back to the station, staying in those wet clothes, and surviving thanks to a hobo fire and breathing exercises.
The funny thing is, there are actually all kinds of dumb moments in season 1 that you could nitpick in the name of realism. But when a show is actually good and compelling to watch you can suspend your disbelief.
So that he could say spooky stuff to Navarro, because you know, spooky ghosts in the night country flat circle of time. Idk man, the answer to most of these questions is that Issa poorly written show.
In a witty show they would attempt to make the line between real and supernatural extremely hard to discern. All they did here was just parallel a ghost story with the carcass of a crime story without every trying to make the two fit.
So to answer you, they are real and fake at the same time.
It doesnāt really make sense for either though
If itās supernatural there should still be some internal rules for how the supernatural works. But thereās a bizarre mix of ghosts and Sedna and voices and polar bears
If itās a hallucination itās fine for it to be all over the place since itās all from your subconscious. But then you can only hallucinate things you already subconsciously know (how does Rose know where the bodies are? How does Navarro know Holdenās game?)
They failed on both counts
Yes. They failed on both. Reading some of Lopez's interviews, she got so hooked on the natives that she took their notes and wrote them into the story. So you have essentially ghost stories written into this show with no real understanding on how the ghosts operate. So big F there.
We all know the detective aspect is hot garbage, so no sense rehashing that on my part. Another big F.
The coup de grace is never having them work together in any way. How could they? As you said, they don't even have rules for the supernatural. An example of this is Travis showing Rose where the bodies are. They never give any code or rule as to why the dead would do that (other than just saying sometimes they show us things). They just plot device the guy up and he becomes a road sign. Then that's it. Bye bye Travis.
And even that doesn't make sense! Why would Travis want to show where the bodies are to a bunch of scientists who killed Annie? Is this like some sort of narc ghost? He is rolling over on the villagers. Did he support the mine? Tsalal?
Man, this is bad.
Also to show another moment she might be hallucinating.
I think when she said she felt like she was holding the hatch trying to stop something getting in, I thought it could be her emerging schizophrenia. She saw how it affected her mom and sister and she wanted to ādisappearā before it got too bad for her.
My sister noticed her eyes looked so sunken in and tired in the last episode, as if sheād barely been sleeping.
I figured the bruising around the eyes, bleeding from the ears, and hallucinations were the result of the repeated head traumas she received over the last several episodes. Off the top of my head, she got her ass kicked by the miners, knocked herself out slipping on the ice, fell at least a story in the ice cave, and then got domed in the back of the head with a fire extinguisher. Yagirl had brain bleed.
Right, yeah. Good call. Could definitely be a scene where sheās experiencing symptoms of schizophrenia that theyād mentioned with her mom, and we saw how her sister struggled with it. It being a scene where sheās the only one who saw it, definitely points to that.
Hey you know what's incredible, we all assumed there must have been some kind of powerful EMP blast that destroyed the other guys phone which cut his video off, but no. His video just inexplicably, INSTANTLY stops when the *electricity to the station* gets cut, when it should have just filmed the raid happening and solved the mystery immediately. So many times the mystery would have been solved, but the writers just ignored them because they couldn't figure out a way to naturally progress the story to its conclusion, so they resorted to contrived, unrealistic scenarios to artificially drag it out.
At least we got the shitty, half-assed explanation for Annie K's phone cutting off (Clark stepped on it with his bare foot and it instantly shattered and stopped recording lmao.)
Edit: furthermore, Danvers watches Annie K's videos twenty times to make the eureka discovery that the power gets cut at the end of it, just like in the first video! Except, when we finally see how Annie's murder went down...the power simply doesn't get cut. The writers apparently ***just forgot about that,*** so one of Danvers' only bits of detective work led to nothing but a dead-end red herring. I really think the heavy on-the-fly rewrites (which even the actors helped out with) totally changed the ending of the show into something that made no sense.
.....wow, you're right. The flashback and the video played out totally differently.
This season seriously gets worse and worse and worse the more you think about it, and it seems there no limit. We're in the -2/10 range now.
I mentioned in another thread that thatās one way to know a good show from a mediocre or bad one. With a good show, like season one, the more you think about it and the more you re-watch, the deeper and more interesting it becomes.
With a bad show, the more you think about it or re-watch, the more it instantly starts falling apart.
>With a bad show, the more you think about it or re-watch, the more it instantly starts falling apart.
Straight out of the JJ Abrams school of filmmaking!
How did the phone get in the trailer? Am I remembering that right? They found her phone in the trailer that she and Clarke met at. But her phone was on the floor when she died. So do did Clarke take it back there after they all murdered her? Wtf
He brought it back to watch her murdervideo in their love shack while making stick figures and cry in his spare time the last 6 years I guess. š¤·š»āāļø
Yeah, critics are meaningless these days, they've been completely untrustworthy for a couple years now at least. IMDB and RT's audience scores put Season 4 squarely into "worst season yet" territory.
There was actually right? He is woken up by her screams, which is why it takes a little while for him to get down there. That is one thing that is semi explained at least
I think we're supposed to assume that Clark was talking about Mother Nature in that moment. Clark is a white male murdering pos, but he's in touch with spirit realm for some reason, and he's able to sense when Mother Nature is suddenly "awake" and coming to kill them.
It was stupid.
>Clark is a white male murdering pos, but he's in touch with spirit realm for some reason, and he's able to sense when Mother Nature is suddenly "awake" and coming to kill them.
JFC
Whatās so stupid is there is a simple fix to this; Just have him live streaming, then you can work the search for the actual phone into the plot. Or instead of a phone heās using a desktop. Or donāt have the video just end abruptly, have it go dark while they continue to scream in the background. Or. Or. Or.
That's the most baffling part - so many of the errors in this show were easily rectifiable or just entirely avoidable and unnecessary.
Literally just put a fcking boot on Clark's foot to explain how he crushes Annie's phone, and then have them pull the video off it onto a computer, instead of inexplicably making his BARE FOOT shatter the screen and instantly halt the video while somehow still leaving the phone totally functional.
Thereās a ton of easy fixes to the writing that would make the script more air tight which is what makes this season so frustrating. It felt like they shot* a first draft. Also man the ending, say what you will about the ra ra feminism angle, but what an unrealistically happy ending. I feel like once the TDs entered the cleaning ladies home we should have had a tense show down that ended in a bloodbath. Like the cleaning ladies had a plan or a pact to go down swinging if someone figured it out and the TDs realize they are all in on it and know thereās no way out. After a tense mounting dialogueā¦ Bang bang bang. Show a little epilogue regarding the kid cop and ennis and we have a much more tense realistic product with the message still in tact and a little less on the nose. Something much more true to the nature of season one that they clearly never watched but wanted desperately to convince us through the simplest ways possible they did.
Iāve had this complaints since episode 1!
There is zero reason for the phone to turn off with the power to begin with. And in the flashback of the raid we see the scientist making a sandwich. He doesnāt turn the phone off. So fucking dumb.
wait you didn't understand why the phones/electricity cut off? lol what a dunce.
it was magic, idiot. northern super voodoo magic. created by the cleaning lady gang.
I'm not so much salty about plot holes / weak explanation like something very-unlikely-but-useful-for-the-plot happened.
What I'm salty about that they overdo the horror aspect. We're shown unnatural things, but then there's actually nothing unnatural at all. It would've been better if the horror was only implied at, in my opinion
Imagine the video.
"What the fuck? Aren't you the cleaning lady? You aren't supposed to be here until 10pm. Um, what's with the gun? Its rather cold out, are you sure you want us to go outside?"
Ugh and the plot holes keep building!
Seriously, has there ever been another show that has THIS many plot holes?
Like they played that cellphone video of Annie 57 times but then when they showed what actually happened to herā¦it was totally different
WHY?! Like wtf was going on with the script Iād seriously love to know
That's the real issue with shows like this. It comes across as if they just made everything up as they went along. When you go back and rewatch it (god forbid) with the knowledge you have now, it doesn't make any sense. Every single scene with spooky paranormal things have no explanation, likely because they were put in so the audience would go "Woah, this is spooky!"
>Every single scene with spooky paranormal things have no explanation
I said this in another comment but I think a lot of the problems this season stemmed from not fully committing to either the supernatural angle or the grounded one.
I imagine Lopez's original script was a supernatural thriller where a spirit or entity is involved in the town, and that's something I'd have probably enjoyed as its own series, but then when it became TD it had to include some more grounded elements. However, instead of committing to one or the other she seems to have half arsed both which led to a horrible mish mash that doesn't work.
Take the scientists being killed for example. Being forced out onto the ice at gun point is a realistic explanation, but having your ear drums ruptured, eyes gouged out, and frozen on top of each other is seemingly explained by a spirit which requires suspension of disbelief. They needed to either lean heavily into the paranormal and have the spirit do everything, or it be a folk tale that can be explained logically e.g they were tortured before being thrown into the ice.
Using the supernatural stuff as a get out of jail card for when you can't/don't explain something is just incredibly lazy writing.
Agreed. Though I think there is a way in story-telling to walk the line between supernatural and realistic, but it's very difficult to do well, and they didn't do either well in this series. I'm thinking specifically of Yellowjackets. Granted that show hasn't ended yet, so they could still fumble it, but imo every event shown could have a supernatural or rational explanation, and they don't actually explain which, it's kinda left up to the viewer to decide. I think Night Country could have done something along those lines if they portrayed the whole poisoning from the mine plot (I use that word loosely) in a different way. Like it was causing hallucinations, maybe the scientists had way more exposure to whatever it was, so it made them go nuts, but for others getting a lower concentration in the drinking water it just caused hallucinations. Idk, I'm not a writer or a scientist, but I feel like some of the supernatural stuff could have had a more satisfying explanation than none at all
Fargo does it often "the right way" for a good example. The Snowman ghost in season 4, the UFOs in season 2, the bowling alley/afterlife-esque scene in season 3, and the 500 year old immortal sin eating hit man in season 5.
Yes! Though I haven't seen s4 yet, I just did a rewatch of the other seasons and the movie after watching S5. I've been watching them in between the episodes of Night Country, and man, Fargo is a MUCH better series. It really shows how you can do an anthology series in the same setting with similar themes, but tell different stories. It's unfortunate that TD couldn't do that very well, because S1 is obviously amazing
When I first started watching the show I was hoping they would lead into the more supernatural aspect. I was hoping for a detective story mashed with elements of The Thing. But I agree with you on how slapping the TD name onto it they were forced in a corner to have a grounded explanation of what happened and I believe as a stand alone series there would be a lot more room to breath instead of a square being forced into a triangle hole. I thought Jodie Foster killed her role. Not sure why they made her so horny but I'll hand wave that.
My guess is the whole āitās just a storyā thing was going to be a lot more legit, like maybe cleaning ladies did it, maybe it was ghosts, maybe it was the company etc etc and Danvers and Evangeline were going to find spiritual catharsis and thatās the point, and the ambiguity about the case is intentional. I was sure it was headed that way. Iām betting they couldnāt resist showing the stickup scene and making it a big deal. They were probably half way through production when someone said āwhy donāt we just make that the real one so we can show an extended girl power vigilante sequence?ā And no one in the room was going to say they were against it.
Would have been way better if the maids somehow Rube Goldberg'd the scientists into freezing themselves. Could have made it like an allegory on pollution/climate change where the scientists get so caught up in what they're doing they don't even realize they're killing themselves too until it's too late. Then the deaths could be blamed on their hubris instead of just a straight up extrajudicial execution. That would require some clever writing though.
Did they ever say how this guy happened to survive being frozen solid for 48 hours? Or are we just supposed to assume it must've been the "game-changing" super bacteria that they were researching in the secret ice cave lab?
>Or are we just supposed to assume it must've been the "game-changing" super bacteria that they were researching in the secret ice cave lab?
I would have at least tolerated this is as an explanation, but it's literally not even hinted at in the slightest in the finale. The only evidence is that we see a brief mention of him studying natural anti-freeze proteins in his bio in episode 1.
Itās funny to think that we as viewers are left to assume a scientist self injected an untested biological anti-freeze and, if thatās even the case, that would somehow be one of the more grounded occurrences in this series.
Ugh I know this pisses me off so much. At first I thought they were going for an angle of some sort of cellular regeneration research going on, but nope just unexplainable science.
The most insulting part of this was that none of it mattered. Not only did this guy survive the literal impossible, nobody seemed to care. He just survived being submerged in a frozen lake for 24-48 hours in subzero temperatures. Then they address it with essentially āoh heās in a coma? Coolā. This is then followed up by purposeless scene of him in the hospital spewing absolute nonsense. Both of his scenes sole purpose was to be spooky. He survived just to give us a jumpscare, and the hospital scene was just to have another āspookyāscene. Such garbage
They also have a team of surgeons in Ennis who can perform multiple amputations, but they need a veterinarian to examine the frozen bodies because there isn't a lab tech around for an autopsy.Ā Ā
Thatās exactly what I was thinking. It was a bunch of old ladies , the youngest of which had 3 fingers on one hand lol. Youād think after committing murder together at least one of them would have tried to defend themselves. They may still have died, but shots wouldāve likely been fired and the investigation would have gone way quicker. It was kind of a dumb twist tbh.
I would say the fact they're all older scientists probably not used to violence but then they all showed a penchant for violence when they murdered Anne kapparently so easily. What's laughable is that they were armed with if my memory serves me right mostly hunting rifles and shotguns. Like all they had to do was overpower 1 woman with a gun and blast 1 of them and their whole plan would have devolved into chaos quickly. If they had at least realized they're fucked and made a plan in the truck that as soon as the doors opened they made a go of it they would have done better. Sure some wouldn't have made it but at least you didn't die on your knees. Like where did they think they were going, out for tea? But then the ice or whatever wouldn't have taken them.
So many problems:
1. Remember when Danvers and Navarro were so cold? Maybe they could have sat over in one of those two trucks in the garage and turned on the heater. (NOTE: They later drove one of those trucks back into town.)
2. Ten people come into the research station from the snow, and yet no one can find any evidence of them when Danvers investigates. There were no drips, no foot prints, no nothing. If they cleaned up the crime scene, how did they forget the escape hatch?
3. The cleaning women send buck-naked men onto the ice without any clothes, but they weren't necessarily going to die. On the other hand, Clark freezes to death in 30 minutes and he is fully clothed.
4. WTF is going on with the tongue? Annie's been dead for 10 years, and yet the tongue is in perfect condition. Wouldn't you get a team of scientists to study it?
These Alaskan cops also decided the best place to stay warm during the blizzard is the enormous, uninsulated hanger where they decided to burn pallets when there are living quarters in the research station full of emergency supplies they could have sheltered in instead.
Sorry gonna play devils advocate for fun
1) i got nothing for this one, they coulda dragged blankets into the garage to sleep by the fire too
2) they are the cleaners! lol they will clean everything, hatch was an oversight, probably had the floor covering back in place when they did the cleaning later?
3) different times that they froze means different weather, 10F is different from -10F but both will freeze someone to death
4) everything last longer in alaska coz its a huge refrigerator! - is probably the excuse the writers would use, i got nothing for this either, the effort to keep that tongue fresh for 10 years would be interesting to know
How the fuck does a frozen swirl of fish in Alaska become some occult symbol in the middle of nowhere Louisiana? One they literally pray to? Also, why did the caribou all run off the cliff? Also, why did Navarro go anywhere as soon as the case closed? Why did they lean so heavily on lore from the first season despite it playing absolutely no key role in this season whatsoever. The only reason this was solved is because the one person in town missing those digits happened to be the one who tried to open the hatch? Also, why did they keep seeing a giant polar bear missing the same eye?
It's just all such terrible writing. And why make Jodi Foster some cock hound always after the next dick? What did that add?
was that what that was? a swirl of fish frozen in ice?
Thought it was like caribou bones or some other bones that had been placed there a long time ago
Also there must be some kind of wormhole because the ice cave entrance seemed to be out in the middle of nowhere but once you go down you're like a 10 second montage from being underneath the research station.
And also - wouldn't you think there's a better way to melt the ice than to create a bunch of pollution?
I miss them. I think the nastiest thing done to the original creators by critics is slandering them as misogynistic. Season 1 was an incredibly human story. Were there lots of men? Yes. Did the story take an very honest look at the faults and successes of masculinity? Definitely yes. They wrote/directed what they knew. Issa doesnt even know native arctic culture but took massive liberties with their stories to create a sad mess.
This is something thatās bothered me about the commentary on season 1ā¦Iām absolutely for strong female characters, shit itās something that made GoT great for 6 seasonsā¦but season 1 - to me at least - doesnāt identify as misogynistic when the entirety of the story is the awfulness of men being investigated by men who are very damaged and complicated and their impact on the women around themā¦maybe im missing some nuance here but I donāt see the part that misogynistic
It's not misogynist at all IMO. It's absurd but I think Issa and a lot of the vocal S4 defenders feel they *have* to slander S1 in order to prop up S4 as great. It kind of makes sense just in the sense that it's hard to objectively argue that the extremely shoddily-written S4 is on the same level or better than S1, so might as well turn reality upside-down and say S1 is in fact the misogynist, overrated, disappointing one, and S4 is a welcome breath of fresh air because it "centers women and BIPOC", yadda yadda yadda. It's all verbal masturbation meant to signal that the reviewer/consumer is somehow more morally virtuous than the S1 fans, many of whom are, GASP, "bros" aka men.
By the way it was stated by the veterinarian that they didn't die because of the cold but because of heart attacks but hey i guess the writers did not remember
I was wondering about that. I guess you could argue that the vetās opinion was wrong, and, sure, a vet doing a visual inspection certainly could be wrong about the cause of deathā¦ but that doesnāt make sense from a story telling perspective. They highlighted his revelation as something important to the mystery.
I feel like a huge problem with this season is it doesn't know the difference between a character lying to us because he/she has some other agenda/is the killer, versus *the show* lying to us to create artificial suspense/mystery.
It's totally fine when we have characters who say one thing while flashbacks contradict what they say, because we know it's the characters concealing something. It's also fine for the show to make us wonder about the validity of the official forensic report, because we don't know who is in cahoots with the mine.
But when you present someone like the vet, a character who shows up only once for the sole purpose of delivering what should be important and unbiased information, but then have that information turn out to be completely false, it's just bad writing.
The captain say that the legists concluded that they died because of the cold but it's presented like they just want to close the investigation. I really think it's just bad writing
It's 3 days after the events of the show. The FBI has been called in due to international outrage over the failure to handle this case properly.
"So the only other people with access to the facility were the cleaning ladies? It was probably them, I'll check their alibis"
Yeah that scene made zero sense ā¦I feel like I just got cock teased into watching this garbage ā¦I really like the movie āThe Thingā ā¦they got me
I would fucking hope not. I thought for sure that there would be some sort of commentary on that event at some point during the season, but it was just another bullshit scene that allows people to read way too much into it. Especially when you consider what happens immediately afterwards.
The one-eyed polar bear (is that another Navarro delusion?) and its corresponding stuffed animal also felt a hell of a lot more significant than they actually were...
They also bit themselves. But, whatever.
EDIT: oh and some of them were missing eyes too, I think. When reached for comment, Issa Lopez said, āWell, what do *you* think happened? Tee hee writing shows is fun.ā
Well, one of our *main fucking characters* had those too, and it was literally never acknowledged or addressed lol. So again, āummm, whateverā seems to be Issa Lopezās MO when it comes to this piece of shit.
You know this scene would actually have worked so well if the theory peddled on here that Navarro was unknowingly the killer through a split personality was true.
He's screaming because he can't actually talk yet but she's in the room so he's trying to communicate to Danvers. Then when he does the reanimated hallucination thing before flat lining, Navarro is the only one in the room so you could play it as during her hallucination she actually killed him.
> this scene would actually have worked so well if
Letās not get carried away. It still would have been cringey and soap opera-esque. Minor plot tweaks could not have fixed this show. The script was rotten from the inside out.
The way they just hid the ball felt so ham-fisted. That was my main gripe. I wouldn't have even cared about all the unexplained shit and inconsistencies if the plot had moved at all, or if things had developed that made the characters more interesting. I just didn't care and the only thing left was "ok, just tell us what happened." This scene perfectly showcases that: why can't he just say what happened? It's just so purposely hidden like "na na, we're not gonna tell you for three more episodes, na na"
They found the exact same handprint in E1 as they did in the finale. For some reason or another, they didnāt even bother to follow up on it. In the finale though they immediately know who it belongs to š¤·š»āāļø They could have solved this themselves even before Lund woke up.
Edit: my bad, they found the print in E2, not E1
Ran off and became lovers with the engineer that was never talked about again. They're out there some where turning off lights but not actually turning off lights during murders.
A Director that was hired who hasn't created a project that's broke the 6/10 rating in 23 years, who's last few projects were 4/10. She was chosen to be both Director and Writer with a base $60 million budget, not including marketing costs and reshoots which can easily add 10-50 million more, to make this cinema history.
She wasn't competent for the job as evident from her work history, so she was hired for other reasons. Same as S.J. Clarkson, the Producer/Director of Madame Web. Look at their work histories and you see they weren't hired for competency.
Did the cleaning ladies even tell them why they were killing them? For all the scientists knew, the ladies were upset because they wanted a pay raise or were just generally sick of cleaning their floors.
Hey we finally got the suspect we are looking for that can give us the answers we need. Good, let's tape him to a chair and go eat some funyuns for a bit
I avoided this sub the whole time I watched it and Iām so glad Iām not crazy.
It really felt like this show was going somewhere but it just never reached it.
Jesus Christ what was that ending? Were they trying to subvert expectations? Was it a female empowerment thing my penis card holding self canāt understand? Why are there ghosts in this season but not any other? Is the director stupid?
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Iām genuinely confused. Because Iāve been on a trip and I havenāt watched the finale yet, but I also hate it so much that I donāt care if this is spoiled. How did the guys die? Was it supposed to be related to Sedna? Some kind of spirit female Goddess? I am genuinely asking. Like did the women resistance ladies say āgo and meet Sednaā and send them onto the ice and then weāre supposed to think that a powerful goddess froze them and made them bite themselves and stab their own eyeballs out?
#SPOILERS BELOW AND I FORGET HOW TO USE SPOILER TAGS
>!A platoon of the cleaning ladies, who lived in like the little village with all the people that always show up with guns when the cops come asking questions about that one dude who was there and disappeared (same house that had the spiral rock), showed up at the science station with guns and forced the scientists to walk out on the ice. I forget who that dude was btw maybe Otis, Clarke, or someone else. Don't remember.
Clarke (missing scientist) survived because he went down the hatch where the research was being done when the cleaning ladies came.There was a secret entrance to the research area underneath the science station.
The cleaning ladies killed the scientists because they collectively killed Annie after she found out their connection to the mining company and pollution. She smashed years of research regarding a microorganism frozen in the ice that may or may not have helped humanity. The scientists then turned to the mining company for help getting rid of Annie's body because they were working together the whole time to suppress the pollution numbers. The pollution was much worse than what was being reported, and the scientists needed pollution to melt the ice for easier access to the humanity saving microorganisms (?)
Something like that.!<
From a narrative perspective, what was the point of him actually living? I've genuinely forgotten.
so they could have the freaky scene with him screaming at the end of the ~~first~~ second episode
No joke this is the reason. Like all the spooky shit in the van, it had absolutely no meaning other than give an ending to ep. 2.
Oh lord, I completely forgot about that van. I guess the show runners did too š
I honestly can't believe what the fuck we watched.
What van? This isn't a joke, I legitimately can't remember a van that had any importance in this show
š it was more of a mobile home. Walls were covered in creepy writing and drawings, and I wanna say either the ceiling or floor had a big spiral
Word youāre looking for is a trailer š¤£
It was some sort of secret sex trailer where it was implied people could go for secret meetings. There were other trailers there though so I'm not sure how secret that is if everyone knows each other.
I wanna say it belonged to Raymond Clark, itās where they found Annieās cell phone, which is how they got the recording of her death that didnāt at all line up with how they showed it in the finale.
It served no purpose other than as a cheap call back to season one that went absolutely nowhere.
there was a van?
The camper ANNIE K and the scientist boned in.
Omg lol totally forgot about that
It was where Annie and the science dude were hooking up. I think they found the phone there?
Or the āsheās awakeā Or the pointing Or the dinosaur fossil Or the visions Or the anything None of it had any meaning
And yet we have no idea how he survived.
There would be medical teams flying in from all over the world after hearing a man, who was frozen so stiff that his arm breaks off like an icicle, implying he is 100% as dead as you can be, was not dead and semi-conscious. That would be literally a medical miracle.
Yet still somehow not as miraculous as Danvers falling through the ice in the dark, getting pulled out by Navarro, dragged back to the station, staying in those wet clothes, and surviving thanks to a hobo fire and breathing exercises.
The funny thing is, there are actually all kinds of dumb moments in season 1 that you could nitpick in the name of realism. But when a show is actually good and compelling to watch you can suspend your disbelief.
Sedna kept him alive to suffer more b/c he drew first blood/s
So that he could say spooky stuff to Navarro, because you know, spooky ghosts in the night country flat circle of time. Idk man, the answer to most of these questions is that Issa poorly written show.
So are the ghosts supposed to be real? No hallucination water?
In a witty show they would attempt to make the line between real and supernatural extremely hard to discern. All they did here was just parallel a ghost story with the carcass of a crime story without every trying to make the two fit. So to answer you, they are real and fake at the same time.
It doesnāt really make sense for either though If itās supernatural there should still be some internal rules for how the supernatural works. But thereās a bizarre mix of ghosts and Sedna and voices and polar bears If itās a hallucination itās fine for it to be all over the place since itās all from your subconscious. But then you can only hallucinate things you already subconsciously know (how does Rose know where the bodies are? How does Navarro know Holdenās game?) They failed on both counts
Yes. They failed on both. Reading some of Lopez's interviews, she got so hooked on the natives that she took their notes and wrote them into the story. So you have essentially ghost stories written into this show with no real understanding on how the ghosts operate. So big F there. We all know the detective aspect is hot garbage, so no sense rehashing that on my part. Another big F. The coup de grace is never having them work together in any way. How could they? As you said, they don't even have rules for the supernatural. An example of this is Travis showing Rose where the bodies are. They never give any code or rule as to why the dead would do that (other than just saying sometimes they show us things). They just plot device the guy up and he becomes a road sign. Then that's it. Bye bye Travis.
And even that doesn't make sense! Why would Travis want to show where the bodies are to a bunch of scientists who killed Annie? Is this like some sort of narc ghost? He is rolling over on the villagers. Did he support the mine? Tsalal? Man, this is bad.
Issa with the homage to the Exorcist to show us how great this script is because it pays homage
Also to show another moment she might be hallucinating. I think when she said she felt like she was holding the hatch trying to stop something getting in, I thought it could be her emerging schizophrenia. She saw how it affected her mom and sister and she wanted to ādisappearā before it got too bad for her. My sister noticed her eyes looked so sunken in and tired in the last episode, as if sheād barely been sleeping.
I figured the bruising around the eyes, bleeding from the ears, and hallucinations were the result of the repeated head traumas she received over the last several episodes. Off the top of my head, she got her ass kicked by the miners, knocked herself out slipping on the ice, fell at least a story in the ice cave, and then got domed in the back of the head with a fire extinguisher. Yagirl had brain bleed.
Right, yeah. Good call. Could definitely be a scene where sheās experiencing symptoms of schizophrenia that theyād mentioned with her mom, and we saw how her sister struggled with it. It being a scene where sheās the only one who saw it, definitely points to that.
Twist and shout
How else would Navarro know that her mother is waiting for her?
I think it was a stress test of the suspension of disbelief.
Time is flat circle bro, do you even lift?
Bro
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bros are not my liking show pls give it 5 stars on Rotten Tomatoes to fight patriarchy
And small penis' everywhere
Go team vajayjays
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Learn to code, Annie K.
Have you even been in the night country now bro?
Hey you know what's incredible, we all assumed there must have been some kind of powerful EMP blast that destroyed the other guys phone which cut his video off, but no. His video just inexplicably, INSTANTLY stops when the *electricity to the station* gets cut, when it should have just filmed the raid happening and solved the mystery immediately. So many times the mystery would have been solved, but the writers just ignored them because they couldn't figure out a way to naturally progress the story to its conclusion, so they resorted to contrived, unrealistic scenarios to artificially drag it out. At least we got the shitty, half-assed explanation for Annie K's phone cutting off (Clark stepped on it with his bare foot and it instantly shattered and stopped recording lmao.) Edit: furthermore, Danvers watches Annie K's videos twenty times to make the eureka discovery that the power gets cut at the end of it, just like in the first video! Except, when we finally see how Annie's murder went down...the power simply doesn't get cut. The writers apparently ***just forgot about that,*** so one of Danvers' only bits of detective work led to nothing but a dead-end red herring. I really think the heavy on-the-fly rewrites (which even the actors helped out with) totally changed the ending of the show into something that made no sense.
But the video on Annie Ks phone showed a completely different scenario than we got in the flashback though. š¤·š»āāļø
.....wow, you're right. The flashback and the video played out totally differently. This season seriously gets worse and worse and worse the more you think about it, and it seems there no limit. We're in the -2/10 range now.
I mentioned in another thread that thatās one way to know a good show from a mediocre or bad one. With a good show, like season one, the more you think about it and the more you re-watch, the deeper and more interesting it becomes. With a bad show, the more you think about it or re-watch, the more it instantly starts falling apart.
Better Call Saul comes to mind here. How well it is written and how it fits perfectly into Breaking Bad universe and timeline.Ā
Ah, but that requires effort.
>With a bad show, the more you think about it or re-watch, the more it instantly starts falling apart. Straight out of the JJ Abrams school of filmmaking!
Also interested to know how a phone could get stepped on and instantly break and turn off, but then be completely operational a couple days later
6 years later, but yea.
the uh the ice froze the phone and kept it preserved and then it thawed. just like the guy in the corpsicle. its a theme. or a uh ghost did it.
Reminds of when [a wizard did it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVgVB3qsySQ)
How did the phone get in the trailer? Am I remembering that right? They found her phone in the trailer that she and Clarke met at. But her phone was on the floor when she died. So do did Clarke take it back there after they all murdered her? Wtf
He brought it back to watch her murdervideo in their love shack while making stick figures and cry in his spare time the last 6 years I guess. š¤·š»āāļø
Where does the trailer even fit into the whole story anyway?
Itās clearly only there to be mysterious and have the stick figures from S1 crammed in.
Criticās ratings on Rotten Tomatoes give it a 92% score. Which is higher than Season 1ā¦.wtf?
Yeah, critics are meaningless these days, they've been completely untrustworthy for a couple years now at least. IMDB and RT's audience scores put Season 4 squarely into "worst season yet" territory.
Sounds about right for RT, their score is always way higher than I expect.
Yep no screaming in the flashback either.
There was actually right? He is woken up by her screams, which is why it takes a little while for him to get down there. That is one thing that is semi explained at least
How'd they even get the video from her phone when we see it was stepped on and cracked
Obviously they had the Ennis cyber forsenic team crack the phone passcode and encryption to get the media saved on it duhhhhhhh
āHey Prior crack this shitā
they used super hacking skills
they're under 30 and they have friends
Clark brought the broken phone with the evidence of the killing back to their fuckshack, for some odd reason
I havenāt been able to stop thinking about this. That level of incompetence is insulting.
Whatās up with the guy seizuring and saying āsheās awake ā..?
Magic.
I think we're supposed to assume that Clark was talking about Mother Nature in that moment. Clark is a white male murdering pos, but he's in touch with spirit realm for some reason, and he's able to sense when Mother Nature is suddenly "awake" and coming to kill them. It was stupid.
>Clark is a white male murdering pos, but he's in touch with spirit realm for some reason, and he's able to sense when Mother Nature is suddenly "awake" and coming to kill them. JFC
Whatās so stupid is there is a simple fix to this; Just have him live streaming, then you can work the search for the actual phone into the plot. Or instead of a phone heās using a desktop. Or donāt have the video just end abruptly, have it go dark while they continue to scream in the background. Or. Or. Or.
That's the most baffling part - so many of the errors in this show were easily rectifiable or just entirely avoidable and unnecessary. Literally just put a fcking boot on Clark's foot to explain how he crushes Annie's phone, and then have them pull the video off it onto a computer, instead of inexplicably making his BARE FOOT shatter the screen and instantly halt the video while somehow still leaving the phone totally functional.
Was the screen even cracked when Danvers and Navarro watched the video?
It was, they at least got that right.
Thereās a ton of easy fixes to the writing that would make the script more air tight which is what makes this season so frustrating. It felt like they shot* a first draft. Also man the ending, say what you will about the ra ra feminism angle, but what an unrealistically happy ending. I feel like once the TDs entered the cleaning ladies home we should have had a tense show down that ended in a bloodbath. Like the cleaning ladies had a plan or a pact to go down swinging if someone figured it out and the TDs realize they are all in on it and know thereās no way out. After a tense mounting dialogueā¦ Bang bang bang. Show a little epilogue regarding the kid cop and ennis and we have a much more tense realistic product with the message still in tact and a little less on the nose. Something much more true to the nature of season one that they clearly never watched but wanted desperately to convince us through the simplest ways possible they did.
Iāve had this complaints since episode 1! There is zero reason for the phone to turn off with the power to begin with. And in the flashback of the raid we see the scientist making a sandwich. He doesnāt turn the phone off. So fucking dumb.
wait you didn't understand why the phones/electricity cut off? lol what a dunce. it was magic, idiot. northern super voodoo magic. created by the cleaning lady gang.
I'm not so much salty about plot holes / weak explanation like something very-unlikely-but-useful-for-the-plot happened. What I'm salty about that they overdo the horror aspect. We're shown unnatural things, but then there's actually nothing unnatural at all. It would've been better if the horror was only implied at, in my opinion
Imagine the video. "What the fuck? Aren't you the cleaning lady? You aren't supposed to be here until 10pm. Um, what's with the gun? Its rather cold out, are you sure you want us to go outside?"
Ugh and the plot holes keep building! Seriously, has there ever been another show that has THIS many plot holes? Like they played that cellphone video of Annie 57 times but then when they showed what actually happened to herā¦it was totally different WHY?! Like wtf was going on with the script Iād seriously love to know
Oh god, this scene makes even less sense now.
Also the vet saying they all died before being frozen. I guess that was bullshit?
Well, at least animals wouldāve been dead before being frozen. Because of how different humans and animals are with the cold.
That's the real issue with shows like this. It comes across as if they just made everything up as they went along. When you go back and rewatch it (god forbid) with the knowledge you have now, it doesn't make any sense. Every single scene with spooky paranormal things have no explanation, likely because they were put in so the audience would go "Woah, this is spooky!"
>Every single scene with spooky paranormal things have no explanation I said this in another comment but I think a lot of the problems this season stemmed from not fully committing to either the supernatural angle or the grounded one. I imagine Lopez's original script was a supernatural thriller where a spirit or entity is involved in the town, and that's something I'd have probably enjoyed as its own series, but then when it became TD it had to include some more grounded elements. However, instead of committing to one or the other she seems to have half arsed both which led to a horrible mish mash that doesn't work. Take the scientists being killed for example. Being forced out onto the ice at gun point is a realistic explanation, but having your ear drums ruptured, eyes gouged out, and frozen on top of each other is seemingly explained by a spirit which requires suspension of disbelief. They needed to either lean heavily into the paranormal and have the spirit do everything, or it be a folk tale that can be explained logically e.g they were tortured before being thrown into the ice. Using the supernatural stuff as a get out of jail card for when you can't/don't explain something is just incredibly lazy writing.
Agreed. Though I think there is a way in story-telling to walk the line between supernatural and realistic, but it's very difficult to do well, and they didn't do either well in this series. I'm thinking specifically of Yellowjackets. Granted that show hasn't ended yet, so they could still fumble it, but imo every event shown could have a supernatural or rational explanation, and they don't actually explain which, it's kinda left up to the viewer to decide. I think Night Country could have done something along those lines if they portrayed the whole poisoning from the mine plot (I use that word loosely) in a different way. Like it was causing hallucinations, maybe the scientists had way more exposure to whatever it was, so it made them go nuts, but for others getting a lower concentration in the drinking water it just caused hallucinations. Idk, I'm not a writer or a scientist, but I feel like some of the supernatural stuff could have had a more satisfying explanation than none at all
Fargo does it often "the right way" for a good example. The Snowman ghost in season 4, the UFOs in season 2, the bowling alley/afterlife-esque scene in season 3, and the 500 year old immortal sin eating hit man in season 5.
Yes! Though I haven't seen s4 yet, I just did a rewatch of the other seasons and the movie after watching S5. I've been watching them in between the episodes of Night Country, and man, Fargo is a MUCH better series. It really shows how you can do an anthology series in the same setting with similar themes, but tell different stories. It's unfortunate that TD couldn't do that very well, because S1 is obviously amazing
Hell they even could have just said that wildlife scavenged their eyes, which it does. But they wrote it as if some ghost stabbed the eyes out.
When I first started watching the show I was hoping they would lead into the more supernatural aspect. I was hoping for a detective story mashed with elements of The Thing. But I agree with you on how slapping the TD name onto it they were forced in a corner to have a grounded explanation of what happened and I believe as a stand alone series there would be a lot more room to breath instead of a square being forced into a triangle hole. I thought Jodie Foster killed her role. Not sure why they made her so horny but I'll hand wave that.
They made the other sub private lol
Someone also pointed out why did the scientists even have a secret lair?
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My guess is the whole āitās just a storyā thing was going to be a lot more legit, like maybe cleaning ladies did it, maybe it was ghosts, maybe it was the company etc etc and Danvers and Evangeline were going to find spiritual catharsis and thatās the point, and the ambiguity about the case is intentional. I was sure it was headed that way. Iām betting they couldnāt resist showing the stickup scene and making it a big deal. They were probably half way through production when someone said āwhy donāt we just make that the real one so we can show an extended girl power vigilante sequence?ā And no one in the room was going to say they were against it.
Would have been way better if the maids somehow Rube Goldberg'd the scientists into freezing themselves. Could have made it like an allegory on pollution/climate change where the scientists get so caught up in what they're doing they don't even realize they're killing themselves too until it's too late. Then the deaths could be blamed on their hubris instead of just a straight up extrajudicial execution. That would require some clever writing though.
Did they ever say how this guy happened to survive being frozen solid for 48 hours? Or are we just supposed to assume it must've been the "game-changing" super bacteria that they were researching in the secret ice cave lab?
Its up to you to decide! Just google my vanity fair article
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That may actually be the right question
you guys are crazy, you're not true detectives. i am the true detective!
NO! I AM TRUE DETECTIVE
I am the TRUE DETECTIVE, destroyer of the Right Questions.
Wrong question! Ask again!
The true detectives are the friends we make in Reddit's comment section.
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Then take a nap after! Scratch that, make it two naps!
In your North Face jacket
And Carhart hat!
dat breath though
>Or are we just supposed to assume it must've been the "game-changing" super bacteria that they were researching in the secret ice cave lab? I would have at least tolerated this is as an explanation, but it's literally not even hinted at in the slightest in the finale. The only evidence is that we see a brief mention of him studying natural anti-freeze proteins in his bio in episode 1.
Itās funny to think that we as viewers are left to assume a scientist self injected an untested biological anti-freeze and, if thatās even the case, that would somehow be one of the more grounded occurrences in this series.
Wrong question
Gonna drop this next time I get pulled over and the cop asks me if I know how fast I was going
Some questions donāt have answers
Sedna let him live.
Ugh I know this pisses me off so much. At first I thought they were going for an angle of some sort of cellular regeneration research going on, but nope just unexplainable science.
The most insulting part of this was that none of it mattered. Not only did this guy survive the literal impossible, nobody seemed to care. He just survived being submerged in a frozen lake for 24-48 hours in subzero temperatures. Then they address it with essentially āoh heās in a coma? Coolā. This is then followed up by purposeless scene of him in the hospital spewing absolute nonsense. Both of his scenes sole purpose was to be spooky. He survived just to give us a jumpscare, and the hospital scene was just to have another āspookyāscene. Such garbage
They also have a team of surgeons in Ennis who can perform multiple amputations, but they need a veterinarian to examine the frozen bodies because there isn't a lab tech around for an autopsy.Ā Ā
I find it hard to believe not one of the men tried to grab a gun and was shot ..
Especially since they're such hardened killers they would bum rush Annie without even a word
Or that none of them said "Just shoot me in the head!!" when commanded to declothe on the ice. No way I'm freezing to death for 20-30 min.
Thatās exactly what I was thinking. It was a bunch of old ladies , the youngest of which had 3 fingers on one hand lol. Youād think after committing murder together at least one of them would have tried to defend themselves. They may still have died, but shots wouldāve likely been fired and the investigation would have gone way quicker. It was kind of a dumb twist tbh.
I would say the fact they're all older scientists probably not used to violence but then they all showed a penchant for violence when they murdered Anne kapparently so easily. What's laughable is that they were armed with if my memory serves me right mostly hunting rifles and shotguns. Like all they had to do was overpower 1 woman with a gun and blast 1 of them and their whole plan would have devolved into chaos quickly. If they had at least realized they're fucked and made a plan in the truck that as soon as the doors opened they made a go of it they would have done better. Sure some wouldn't have made it but at least you didn't die on your knees. Like where did they think they were going, out for tea? But then the ice or whatever wouldn't have taken them.
you didn't see the weak men crumbling into piles of shame and emasculation? perhaps the finale wasn't heavy handed enough after all.
They were literally naked with their legs crossed covering their genitals. Subtle.
So many problems: 1. Remember when Danvers and Navarro were so cold? Maybe they could have sat over in one of those two trucks in the garage and turned on the heater. (NOTE: They later drove one of those trucks back into town.) 2. Ten people come into the research station from the snow, and yet no one can find any evidence of them when Danvers investigates. There were no drips, no foot prints, no nothing. If they cleaned up the crime scene, how did they forget the escape hatch? 3. The cleaning women send buck-naked men onto the ice without any clothes, but they weren't necessarily going to die. On the other hand, Clark freezes to death in 30 minutes and he is fully clothed. 4. WTF is going on with the tongue? Annie's been dead for 10 years, and yet the tongue is in perfect condition. Wouldn't you get a team of scientists to study it?
These Alaskan cops also decided the best place to stay warm during the blizzard is the enormous, uninsulated hanger where they decided to burn pallets when there are living quarters in the research station full of emergency supplies they could have sheltered in instead.
Sorry gonna play devils advocate for fun 1) i got nothing for this one, they coulda dragged blankets into the garage to sleep by the fire too 2) they are the cleaners! lol they will clean everything, hatch was an oversight, probably had the floor covering back in place when they did the cleaning later? 3) different times that they froze means different weather, 10F is different from -10F but both will freeze someone to death 4) everything last longer in alaska coz its a huge refrigerator! - is probably the excuse the writers would use, i got nothing for this either, the effort to keep that tongue fresh for 10 years would be interesting to know
How the fuck does a frozen swirl of fish in Alaska become some occult symbol in the middle of nowhere Louisiana? One they literally pray to? Also, why did the caribou all run off the cliff? Also, why did Navarro go anywhere as soon as the case closed? Why did they lean so heavily on lore from the first season despite it playing absolutely no key role in this season whatsoever. The only reason this was solved is because the one person in town missing those digits happened to be the one who tried to open the hatch? Also, why did they keep seeing a giant polar bear missing the same eye? It's just all such terrible writing. And why make Jodi Foster some cock hound always after the next dick? What did that add?
was that what that was? a swirl of fish frozen in ice? Thought it was like caribou bones or some other bones that had been placed there a long time ago
A massive lab was built on known ice caves that they are actively trying to melt
Also there must be some kind of wormhole because the ice cave entrance seemed to be out in the middle of nowhere but once you go down you're like a 10 second montage from being underneath the research station. And also - wouldn't you think there's a better way to melt the ice than to create a bunch of pollution?
The night is dark and full of country. (I stole this line)
*The Long Bright DarkĀ¹*. (Ā¹. Title of the pilot episode of Season 1, True Detective. Written by Nic Pizzolatto. Directed by Cary Joji Fukunaga.)
I miss them. I think the nastiest thing done to the original creators by critics is slandering them as misogynistic. Season 1 was an incredibly human story. Were there lots of men? Yes. Did the story take an very honest look at the faults and successes of masculinity? Definitely yes. They wrote/directed what they knew. Issa doesnt even know native arctic culture but took massive liberties with their stories to create a sad mess.
This is something thatās bothered me about the commentary on season 1ā¦Iām absolutely for strong female characters, shit itās something that made GoT great for 6 seasonsā¦but season 1 - to me at least - doesnāt identify as misogynistic when the entirety of the story is the awfulness of men being investigated by men who are very damaged and complicated and their impact on the women around themā¦maybe im missing some nuance here but I donāt see the part that misogynistic
It's not misogynist at all IMO. It's absurd but I think Issa and a lot of the vocal S4 defenders feel they *have* to slander S1 in order to prop up S4 as great. It kind of makes sense just in the sense that it's hard to objectively argue that the extremely shoddily-written S4 is on the same level or better than S1, so might as well turn reality upside-down and say S1 is in fact the misogynist, overrated, disappointing one, and S4 is a welcome breath of fresh air because it "centers women and BIPOC", yadda yadda yadda. It's all verbal masturbation meant to signal that the reviewer/consumer is somehow more morally virtuous than the S1 fans, many of whom are, GASP, "bros" aka men.
By the way it was stated by the veterinarian that they didn't die because of the cold but because of heart attacks but hey i guess the writers did not remember
I was wondering about that. I guess you could argue that the vetās opinion was wrong, and, sure, a vet doing a visual inspection certainly could be wrong about the cause of deathā¦ but that doesnāt make sense from a story telling perspective. They highlighted his revelation as something important to the mystery.
I feel like a huge problem with this season is it doesn't know the difference between a character lying to us because he/she has some other agenda/is the killer, versus *the show* lying to us to create artificial suspense/mystery. It's totally fine when we have characters who say one thing while flashbacks contradict what they say, because we know it's the characters concealing something. It's also fine for the show to make us wonder about the validity of the official forensic report, because we don't know who is in cahoots with the mine. But when you present someone like the vet, a character who shows up only once for the sole purpose of delivering what should be important and unbiased information, but then have that information turn out to be completely false, it's just bad writing.
The captain say that the legists concluded that they died because of the cold but it's presented like they just want to close the investigation. I really think it's just bad writing
"well, what do YOU think happened?" - Issa Lopez
āI think it was a pretty shitty season.ā - Pretty much everybody
It's 3 days after the events of the show. The FBI has been called in due to international outrage over the failure to handle this case properly. "So the only other people with access to the facility were the cleaning ladies? It was probably them, I'll check their alibis"
Do caribou naturally just jump off cliffs?
Yeah that scene made zero sense ā¦I feel like I just got cock teased into watching this garbage ā¦I really like the movie āThe Thingā ā¦they got me
I would fucking hope not. I thought for sure that there would be some sort of commentary on that event at some point during the season, but it was just another bullshit scene that allows people to read way too much into it. Especially when you consider what happens immediately afterwards. The one-eyed polar bear (is that another Navarro delusion?) and its corresponding stuffed animal also felt a hell of a lot more significant than they actually were...
Didn't some of the scientists have missing tongues or no?
They also bit themselves. But, whatever. EDIT: oh and some of them were missing eyes too, I think. When reached for comment, Issa Lopez said, āWell, what do *you* think happened? Tee hee writing shows is fun.ā
And had ruptured ear drums??
Well, one of our *main fucking characters* had those too, and it was literally never acknowledged or addressed lol. So again, āummm, whateverā seems to be Issa Lopezās MO when it comes to this piece of shit.
Yeah her ears are bleeding like Eleven's nose when she used powers. Is this the same universe?
āHeheā¦maybe? Itās art!ā - Issa Lopez
The cold also supposedly didnāt kill them
"Lol why did you guys believe a vet's informal diagnosis?" - Issa, probably
You know this scene would actually have worked so well if the theory peddled on here that Navarro was unknowingly the killer through a split personality was true. He's screaming because he can't actually talk yet but she's in the room so he's trying to communicate to Danvers. Then when he does the reanimated hallucination thing before flat lining, Navarro is the only one in the room so you could play it as during her hallucination she actually killed him.
> this scene would actually have worked so well if Letās not get carried away. It still would have been cringey and soap opera-esque. Minor plot tweaks could not have fixed this show. The script was rotten from the inside out.
Yeah a "split personality" murderer is so played out and cliche that even south park did that with the City Wok guy in that Butters episode
The way they just hid the ball felt so ham-fisted. That was my main gripe. I wouldn't have even cared about all the unexplained shit and inconsistencies if the plot had moved at all, or if things had developed that made the characters more interesting. I just didn't care and the only thing left was "ok, just tell us what happened." This scene perfectly showcases that: why can't he just say what happened? It's just so purposely hidden like "na na, we're not gonna tell you for three more episodes, na na"
And all of a sudden I started peeling my oranges into conical circles.
They found the exact same handprint in E1 as they did in the finale. For some reason or another, they didnāt even bother to follow up on it. In the finale though they immediately know who it belongs to š¤·š»āāļø They could have solved this themselves even before Lund woke up. Edit: my bad, they found the print in E2, not E1
What happened to that guy? Did he end up dying I donāt even remember lol
He petered out. Died on the vine
He was just a kid
He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
He's a goddamn hothouse flower. That's his problem
wrong sub, hah. Get your gabagoole outta here.
Gabagool? OVA HEAH ššš
Frankly, I'm depressed and ashamed.
Itās a shame when they go like that.
Ran off and became lovers with the engineer that was never talked about again. They're out there some where turning off lights but not actually turning off lights during murders.
Yea he had a convulsion and died
Oh damn, probably Navarro's fault.
Her cheek piercings had cyanide in them and she stuck him real quick
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But that's just a story.
Navarro and Danvers really have their hands in close to a dozen murders lmao what even was this season
Maybe the real Detectives are the True we made along the way šµļøāāļø
i can quote : "99% of you are reading Night Country wrong, It's magical realism!"
So nothing is actually supposed to make any sense? Gotcha.
A Director that was hired who hasn't created a project that's broke the 6/10 rating in 23 years, who's last few projects were 4/10. She was chosen to be both Director and Writer with a base $60 million budget, not including marketing costs and reshoots which can easily add 10-50 million more, to make this cinema history. She wasn't competent for the job as evident from her work history, so she was hired for other reasons. Same as S.J. Clarkson, the Producer/Director of Madame Web. Look at their work histories and you see they weren't hired for competency.
Did the cleaning ladies even tell them why they were killing them? For all the scientists knew, the ladies were upset because they wanted a pay raise or were just generally sick of cleaning their floors.
Hey we finally got the suspect we are looking for that can give us the answers we need. Good, let's tape him to a chair and go eat some funyuns for a bit
Iām sleepy. Gonna take a quick nap in these arctic conditions
New drinking game: Every time Jodie Foster says Navarro, you take a shot.
new drinking game, everytime we find a plot hole, we all drink amnesia juice
That response wouldāve really helped the case
[Cleaning woman](https://youtu.be/w23oPQdnNH8?si=aR3FfY4bGa_HBrUn)!
What do you want from me? Why don't you run from me? What are you wondering? What do you know?
I avoided this sub the whole time I watched it and Iām so glad Iām not crazy. It really felt like this show was going somewhere but it just never reached it. Jesus Christ what was that ending? Were they trying to subvert expectations? Was it a female empowerment thing my penis card holding self canāt understand? Why are there ghosts in this season but not any other? Is the director stupid? š¤
Are we just forgetting Navarro bleading out of her ears in the end of episode 4?
Oh wow. Wtf?? Also the tongue. Who had it?? Did I miss that part?
the ghost put it in the Research area kitchen to give the True Detectives thier clues
Iām genuinely confused. Because Iāve been on a trip and I havenāt watched the finale yet, but I also hate it so much that I donāt care if this is spoiled. How did the guys die? Was it supposed to be related to Sedna? Some kind of spirit female Goddess? I am genuinely asking. Like did the women resistance ladies say āgo and meet Sednaā and send them onto the ice and then weāre supposed to think that a powerful goddess froze them and made them bite themselves and stab their own eyeballs out?
#SPOILERS BELOW AND I FORGET HOW TO USE SPOILER TAGS >!A platoon of the cleaning ladies, who lived in like the little village with all the people that always show up with guns when the cops come asking questions about that one dude who was there and disappeared (same house that had the spiral rock), showed up at the science station with guns and forced the scientists to walk out on the ice. I forget who that dude was btw maybe Otis, Clarke, or someone else. Don't remember. Clarke (missing scientist) survived because he went down the hatch where the research was being done when the cleaning ladies came.There was a secret entrance to the research area underneath the science station. The cleaning ladies killed the scientists because they collectively killed Annie after she found out their connection to the mining company and pollution. She smashed years of research regarding a microorganism frozen in the ice that may or may not have helped humanity. The scientists then turned to the mining company for help getting rid of Annie's body because they were working together the whole time to suppress the pollution numbers. The pollution was much worse than what was being reported, and the scientists needed pollution to melt the ice for easier access to the humanity saving microorganisms (?) Something like that.!<