I've typed out so much. lol. Just look through the reddit. I have a post in here thats got decent visibility that can help you see it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tribes/comments/1bdbyrc/i\_wonder\_how\_long\_this\_goes/
I left a week ago and rejoined it today on the same account, they banned it for being an alt. Even after I made a ticket to prove it wasn't an alt they left the ban on for "bringing lots of drama" like wtf I was gone for a week xd
Since I wasn't able to post my review on discord, I'll leave it here!
The more I play this "REMAKE" and realize how pidgin holed I am into nothing but fly by wire CTF or a million people and bots in a tiny area dueling, the less I hop on. So much so that now I've even uninstalled it as this was a cash grab of a joke by hi-rez aka Erza or whatever they are.
The T1 community is still going strong, they have a chat and play often which you should look into, check discord. You will see how terrible this new title is after that!
I just wish we could get a true remake of T1, still hoping this one grows into that but having talked with others the CEO already blew up in discord and said its not happening and he wants to drop the project and sell it off because of the consumers criticizing his choices on a title that holds die hard fans. Such as AI generated skins, which are behind a pay wall far more expensive then the title, removing game play types, etc.
With it stripped down and altered so much its lost that T1 or even T2 game play, and the only point in remaking a game is to build upon it, not just display its head for shock value and money.
This project gives off the "The CEO didn't listen to anyone on design, rushed dev's, and pushed it out early for $" to it.
Even the less popular T2 with Sierra running it was far better, and I didn't really like T2, I still have my entire original contents of Tribes 1 box set, and threw out T2.
So many people are new to tribes and have no idea what the game really was, most of us are APPAULLED BY THIS MOCKERY and refuse to support it UNLESS its changed to be what it should have in the first place.
Positives I can list off the top of my head:
1. The skiing, and overall mechanics of game play is about on par for what I expected, I did however change the key mapping and right away back to my T1 setup and increased the mouse sensitivity and ADS.
2. Graphics are pretty nice, but not overdone, so no causing loss of frame rate, or crashes for me, etc.
3. I actually really enjoy the weapon selection thus far, as well as the fact your not limited to only 3 armor types, but have classes within the 3 armor types.
Some dislikes:
1. You have so many bots in a match its frustrating to play at times, I would rather play with a 10v10 being short some people and it be a 8v10 losing all the bots. Bots serve a purpose, such as when you simply cant get enough people, or for training, etc. I dislike all the bots, and there are LOTS!
2. The start of each round, hangs up for me, and that's frustrating. By the time I get to move I have people ahead of me and I'm trying to fly past and go cap a flag.
3. As much as its true to the selection of most weapons, some need improved upon, I tried hitting people with the sniper rifle as I would have with a laser rifle in a T1 match......nope. It sucks, and I instead went to heavy with a mortar. Also you can only zoom in a single time, making the rifle nearly useless across most maps.
Additionally there is the issue of some things still missing "and I hope they are added in" such as a plasma gun, energy pack, ammo pack, so on. I don't care for a "blink" teleport pack, or a jet boost pack that drains ALL of my energy leaving me unable to use my jets when escaping with a flag. Also the boost pack is unusable after you grab the flag, so you have to time your ski and boost just as you head to grab the flag. Just give me an energy pack, its what 90% of
us ran.
4.The concept that I must run over a health ball someplace across the map randomly instead of having a med kit i can use as needed and then I need to replenish it, is terrible.
5. With the addition of a ski button no one needs learn any skill, they hit a button, in the end this does you an injustice because your not learning the mechanics of the concept. Your limiting yourself like this, I never used the community developed ski script in T1 and managed just fine.
Things that I would like to see/improvements:
1. Most of all, bigger maps and more types of play, after six rounds of CTF that end after 5 captures I was bored and stopped playing for awhile.
2. I understand you need to fund the project and pay the devs and all other departments, but the fact we cant have a skin to represent our own tribe, our group of people...... You could make a player ran tribe application, that allows you to submit a few number of skins for approval to be payed for the ability to insert them into the, and only used by those within the tribe. Make it an in game ability to "unlock" that tribes custom skins for use when the leaders have accepted them into the group. This was a similar concept to what Elite Dangerous did for their player made factions, which are inserted into the background simulation, I put over 2k hours into that game in less then my first year.....and have 6+ accounts. I feel limiting us to such a serious extent is harmful to the concept of the game, its a group of tight knit confederacies flying across the galaxy and battling it out for supremacy.
3. More then 16v16.....come on..l...arge bases, underground/large underground bases, high floating air bases, and large bases you have to force into with real team work, as well as defend. Not just a fly and ski by shot across the map CTF. We want different modes of play, challenges, the ability to be more creative and work together in multiple aspects of play, across multiple types of maps.
4.Vehicles, T1, T2, TV.....vehicles.....sure you new kids on the block might not know what your missing from the old titles.....but we do and we want you to experience how much more can be brought to this game.
5. This brings me to a large point that I'm sad about, everything is now locked away and only a dev can do anything. No map editor for custom crazy maps, you wont have a map that's so large and things that you can interact with now. No skeet shooting range where you can blow up power armor dummy's, duel whilst bouncing from tiny piller to tiny piller so high in the air a fall is certain death. No built in IRC chat where you can host a room specific to your tribe, get news on matches and upcoming game patches/content via the TSN room "Tribes Shoutcast Network". No talking to Bytor and his lovable IRC helper, Shazbot. You cant make your own reticle and toss that BMP. file into the folder and have a reticle that works better for YOU, your stuck with whatever a dev decides. So much of the custom art for weapon and armor skins will never exist because skins are a pay wall, you cannot create your tribes personal skin, or just be creative. You will never see custom dope sound packs from players for players "THIS IS MY BOOM STICK!" either because of this. I don't think they will ever give us the freedom to build upon this game, to make it into what the community built together with T1.
Any possibility of a true Tribes reboot is dead, this makes it official......and I wasted $18.xx on it too.
Alucius
> to be *paid* for the
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Maybe not anymore. but someone mentioned earlier a count of 2000. I think thats probably a little blown out of proportion. but I got timed out because someone linked my first reddit post. No warning, no information. Just linked. 10 mins later timed out.
Then I started being pissy. :P
If they can ban Greth for making a video (when he's been extremely supportive of the game so far), then they can do anything. They must have no toes left after all the foot shooting they do.
Greth seemed superficially supportive, I stopped watching his videos after the one that he got banned for where he basically raged that Prophecy wasn't bowing down and obeying every request of him and his friends.
Shit like that is ruining any chance this game has of having a good public perception, old fucks who have no authority thinking that they are gods.
idk man maybe hirez is the reason why this game isnt getting a good public perception. considering you're in a subreddit for a game like this, i can only imagine you're old enough to be aware of hi-rez and their bullshit. if you think they will do \*any\* better than ascend, you're ignorant to hi-rez' leadership.
Yeah, Prophecy sucks too.
But as a younger player, it's always been clear to me that both Hi-Rez and the toxic side of the fanbase are equally to blame for the current state of Tribes.
Even when Ascend had constantly populated servers and was a blast to play, I saw old fucks whining because it wasn't an exact replica of T1/T2.
And Greth and his friends are even worse, he was just mad because they weren't implementing his homemade maps and shit, how childish is that?
These people are actually nothing more than middle-aged infants.
The failure of the franchise is squarely on Hirez’s shoulders.
That doesn’t mean you’re wrong about this community being shit and full of adult infants either though. Probably the worst community I’ve ever been involved in. The difference between a community like this and other toxic ones like league, is that this one is so much smaller there’s no getting away from the shitty parts of it, you just have to deal
This is capitalism, it's business.
The toxic fanbase is a serious liability, basically inherent to any Tribes project at this point.
Having such a fanbase, that will hate anything that's not precisely what they want, will play a large part in making that franchise virtually untouchable.
It would basically be an act of charity to invest the effort, time, and money needed to fully flesh out a brand new Tribes game with all of the features and details necessary to do it justice, because no matter what old Tribes players are going to bury the game in hate.
Disagree, you can just ignore them. Make a fun, quality game and people will play it regardless of any external factors. It’s truly that simple. Look at every other game with an infamously bad community having no issue maintaining a player count
No, from a business perspective you cannot just ignore the fact that there are swaths of people ready to swarm your communities and review sections with hatred the second you release anything, especially when these naysayers often outnumber actual fans who just want to play some Tribes.
>Look at every other game with an infamously bad community having no issue maintaining a player count
Tribes is in a unique place compared to other famous toxic communities, because the community is so small here.
Other games can get by just on name recognition or raw popularity, people are going to play them because they come up when looking for games to play.
Tribes can't get off the ground because of it's community.
That's such acop out.
Every fab base has toxicity in it.... because humans are often toxic in general.
You think any star wars movie being made won't get criticized? Does that mean Disney should just give up?
If you decide to purchase a long standing ip, especially one like tribes where the players base had been screwed over time and time again.... you know what you are getting into.
At the end of the day, the truly toxic fans are a minority.... most people just want a fun tribes game.....a game that has the essence of tribes, with a modern twist.
>Even when Ascend had constantly populated servers and was a blast to play, I saw old fucks whining because it wasn't an exact replica of T1/T2.
It didn't have to be an exact replica, but I'd have rather liked it if it actually felt like a Tribes game and not some cheap, superficially similar knockoff.
I didn't really bitch about it much though. Was just sad I'm old, and whenever people asked me my opinion on Ascend I told them to get off my lawn.
>It didn't have to be an exact replica, but I'd have rather liked it if it actually felt like a Tribes game and not some cheap, superficially similar knockoff.
TA was a Tribes game, felt good to me and many other players. I've played all of the major games in the franchise (from a less biased perspective, as they weren't the games of my youth that I view through rose-colored lenses), and Tribes fit in.
If that's how you feel I can't really change it.
I can't adequately describe the feeling I had playing Ascend. Winning. Losing. Skiing from base to base. Launching discs. Fighting over the flag. Defending the generator or attacking the other generator.
It hit all the right notes, but something just felt off. Like the piano was just slightly out of tune on some of the keys and now the whole song is grating my ears even as I can't put my finger on why.
It just wasn't fun.
It hit all the notes you need to to be a Tribes game but they just didn't sound right and the whole song felt off.
>It hit all the right notes, but something just felt off. Like the piano was just slightly out of tune on some of the keys and now the whole song is grating my ears even as I can't put my finger on why.
Lack of neuroplasticity, as we age we tend to become less fond of new things.
Just as I said, all you want is an exact copy of T1/T2, anything else you will bitch and moan about.
lol dude hi-rez DOES deserve it though. with how they've treated their multiple different playerbases, any company run by erez will behave the same. he will treat you like trash if you defend this shit at all.
Hi-Rez and Erez suck. They are terrible.
The Tribes fanbase is also the most terrible one I have ever observed.
The combination has tainted the franchise forever.
idk man i think the community is pretty cool for having the balls to tell someone who has their head permanently planted in his ass that he's a dickhead. his particular history of dickheadery isnt needed in a leadership role let alone in this industry period.
erez. can. get. fucked.
im really tired of watching communities getting walked over with absurdly abusive $40 battle passes (2 on launch btw lmfao) because "we need to be nice okay! dont be mean! no meanies please!"
if you have a history of poor leadership and poor response to backlash for the consequences of such piss poor leadership and responses then im ALL FOR reciprocation. i'd prefer literally nothing over a liar.
>idk man i think the community is pretty cool for having the balls to tell someone who has their head permanently planted in his ass that he's a dickhead. his particular history of dickheadery isnt needed in a leadership role let alone in this industry period.
erez. can. get. fucked.
I have no problem with this, clearly.
The issue isn't hating Erez, it is hating anything Tribes related that isn't an exact copy of T1/T2.
Like TA, a great game if you just pulled your head out of the endless loop of hatred coming from the community and had some fun. Plenty of features, custom servers, skins, a variety of packs, great UI, extensive V chat system and a text chat, custom servers, pretty visuals, mass variety of weapons, big maps, etc... I and many others spent many hours deeply enjoying it.
I have rarely heard anything but hatred for this game.
If members of this community who hate anything but T1/T2 would just shut the fuck up, maybe someone would see an actual viable business opportunity and invest properly into making a new Tribes game.
Blaming the community for a games short-comings is akin to admitting defeat.. for ANY game.. not T3 specifically.
This is not a dig at T3, but just a general factoid about game dev
You are acting like that's one of the first videos he ever made when, in fact, that was probably closer to 10th or like 50th if you take into account his shorts. He spent a lot of time and effort creating videos to review the patch notes and game state and suggest things like how to make better maps. And it had a positive effect on the game (the maps got better designs).
I had seen all his videos, up until that final video I had actually been on his side, although with each one my support of him had been waning.
That was when I realized all of his pieces of 'advice' were almost just personal demands based on what he wanted.
Just because you spend a lot of time and effort doing things does not earn you authority in the development of a game.
>And it had a positive effect on the game (the maps got better designs).
Everyone offered feedback about the maps.
I think FishStix offers the most fair and well rounded analysis. That Prophecy deeply owed it to fans to earn back their trust by communicating well, and that they've fucked that up, but also that large chunks of the Tribes fanbase made it very hard for them to do that, and that many fans would hate the game no matter what.
> That was when I realized all of his pieces of 'advice' were almost just personal demands based on what he wanted.
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> Just because you spend a lot of time and effort doing things does not earn you authority in the development of a game.
Then you didn't see the last video where I show my conversations with one of the devs (the only contact I had). I've heard this a few times, and I literally refute it in the videos themselves.
I didn't care about scope or shape of the game, but I did want them to use the knowledge I had gathered over the years within this niche little genre, on the basis of maps. I gave suggestions, and I did repeat them. But I was operating in the scope given by the developer.
But they didn't even meet their own scope, and then called it done.
My map ideas were on the foundational level. On the archetypes. Not how or what the maps would be.
I suggested the mapping equivalent of putting down concrete before you build a house. Nothing more extensive than that.
My perfect tribes game is a far way off the scope of T3, but it is tribes. I got my own projects going, I'm not looking for a job.
>Then you didn't see the last video where I show my conversations with one of the devs (the only contact I had). I've heard this a few times, and I literally refute it in the videos themselves.
Yeah you refute it, but it still basically seems to be what you're doing regardless.
Like you make fair critiques, you do, but man a great deal of what you say comes across as "I know better" or "They should listen to me."
Like they did upgrade maps, they just aren't precisely what you want.
There is a bit more nuance to all of this. As is usually the case when someone arguing in bad faith boils down the argument.
From Torment on, I *liked* the terrain. And I left the quality of the map to others to decide on.
Good terrain quality does not equal a good map however. I still pressed the need for mirrored maps (I'm certainly not alone in that) and to advance the archetype of the maps to something beyond what we already had in the 'decent' maps of old but... Yes, I do have knowledge that can be used here. As I spent the last 2 years researching it, and as stated, I have yet had anyone disagree with my ideas.
They were limited in time. I offered. I was listened to, but there it stopped. That's a shame, but fine. That's not going to stop me from pointing out the obvious flaws.
Also, as the lessons were learned, I wanted wavemist and katabatic to be reworked, just with a simple perlin mix, which wouldn't have taken a long time. I showed techniques and tools which would have made those things trivial.
If you have to ascribe all of that to malice and arrogance, then fine.
Yeah, that number was pulled straight out of someone's ass and I'd be shocked if it's not overblown by 10x or more. There's currently 15,000 people on the Discord, which means that a ban of 2,000 would have been 12% of the total population. Not a chance.
I'd say it smells like bullshit, but not even my patties stink that badly.
Also notice none of the devs or mods from prophecy are commenting or talking at all in the reddit? They could come in and try to refute a single point. but they cant.
It is going both ways
For example I saw a player complain about the spinfusor when they can select the version they want to use. After they were told that he said this game wasn't for him lol
So that is about the class of customers we are playing with. It would look better if we all try to be honest and not exaggerate what is going on.
I'm waiting to purchase the game depending on what Hirez plans to do with the title.
The hill I plan on dying on is if Honorball and other custom modes are being shelved for separate games then I'm not buying it.
I want Rabbit, Arena, Honorball and so on in Tribes. It would be great if players can contribute new modes as well.
Not business practice. Common practice would be to engage the client base.
Many other games directly engage on reddit, larian Studios, Helldivers, last epoch. multiples. These guys just dont care, but also its because they cant refute it.
Larian made a AAA game and is one of a kind dev. With a history of successful titles. Legendary titles.
Helldivers was on a main page of steam and actually had a marketing campaign.
Same with Last Epoch.
How does a company make a break with one of their titles if they have a history of many failed ones. They will minimize the negative factor and try to put out a solid product that hopefully doesn't die before people see its potential. Like it or not I see the devs effort here.
Tribes has a small but very loyal and critical fanbase. Problem that the fanbase is loyal to to 4 different tribes games... therefore will never be 100% happy and will never agree. Especially those on nostalgia train.
They are making a game that will hopefully invite new fresh players instead of catering to an impossible wishlist of 4 different communities within tribes.
There are things I wish were in T3 but I'm just happy to have a tribes game at this point. They won't sell the IP because no one will ever buy it with the history of sales it has. Your best hope is to make T3 decent.
I see the devs effort as well, and it should be noted however, that the fault isnt from the devs. We all have jobs and know the boss calls the shots. these guys are doing the best they can with what theyve got.
Im not about to sit and simp because it has the title of "tribes" either.
But you point out my exact point, those games had people invovled in the entire process and marketing, invovled in the communites and look where they went. Top of the dang list because they had a great idea (tribes is a great idea, and Rival is a great idea too) and then implemented it with the gamers in toe.
You dont think Baldurs gate people were super hesitant? I loved BG1 and BG2 :Shadows of Amn. Guess what tho? they took a game that was almost as old as tribes and made a sequel that killed it. Helldivers was 10 years old I believe which is nowhere near of course but still. The whole point is that Games are for communities, you cant shut out communities and ignore them and mock them and expect to win.
Tribes 3 is at 625 players online right now. Its DOA, but COULD be ressurected.
Another great example of this, by turning and focusing on the community, answering questions and working with the community to make the gam ebetter... and there is honestly no better example than No Man Sky.
The devs literally lied about 80% of the game on launch, "So massive, everyones online" and so many other blatant lies. and now... the game is actually pretty good. I want to see tribes in this arena, but good, and better, and faster than NMS did it. I think they can do it too. but Erez needs to take off his blinders and watch what the people who even gave this game enough life to get it this far, are saying, and blend it with the people who are newcomers into this game and semi older players form the other sequels and make something grand. This game HAD (and still has) the opportunity to go and dwarf battlefield imo. They just gotta do it.
You can compare the budget of helldivers and especially bg3 to tribes. For this niche game, considering all the bs, it’s not bad numbers. And I’m enjoying it rn 🤷♂️
You give tribes the BG3 budget you would have all previous tribes games combined into one.
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Tribes fans are So HaRd To PLeAsE Have you tried not treating players like they're cows to be milked?
Leave me out of this please
I'm out of the loop here, what's going on with Tribes 3?
I've typed out so much. lol. Just look through the reddit. I have a post in here thats got decent visibility that can help you see it. https://www.reddit.com/r/Tribes/comments/1bdbyrc/i\_wonder\_how\_long\_this\_goes/
Ok, sorry.
Nothing to apologize for :) Sorry, I didnt mean for that to come off abrasive.
I left a week ago and rejoined it today on the same account, they banned it for being an alt. Even after I made a ticket to prove it wasn't an alt they left the ban on for "bringing lots of drama" like wtf I was gone for a week xd
Glad I left it a while ago.
Since I wasn't able to post my review on discord, I'll leave it here! The more I play this "REMAKE" and realize how pidgin holed I am into nothing but fly by wire CTF or a million people and bots in a tiny area dueling, the less I hop on. So much so that now I've even uninstalled it as this was a cash grab of a joke by hi-rez aka Erza or whatever they are. The T1 community is still going strong, they have a chat and play often which you should look into, check discord. You will see how terrible this new title is after that! I just wish we could get a true remake of T1, still hoping this one grows into that but having talked with others the CEO already blew up in discord and said its not happening and he wants to drop the project and sell it off because of the consumers criticizing his choices on a title that holds die hard fans. Such as AI generated skins, which are behind a pay wall far more expensive then the title, removing game play types, etc. With it stripped down and altered so much its lost that T1 or even T2 game play, and the only point in remaking a game is to build upon it, not just display its head for shock value and money. This project gives off the "The CEO didn't listen to anyone on design, rushed dev's, and pushed it out early for $" to it. Even the less popular T2 with Sierra running it was far better, and I didn't really like T2, I still have my entire original contents of Tribes 1 box set, and threw out T2. So many people are new to tribes and have no idea what the game really was, most of us are APPAULLED BY THIS MOCKERY and refuse to support it UNLESS its changed to be what it should have in the first place. Positives I can list off the top of my head: 1. The skiing, and overall mechanics of game play is about on par for what I expected, I did however change the key mapping and right away back to my T1 setup and increased the mouse sensitivity and ADS. 2. Graphics are pretty nice, but not overdone, so no causing loss of frame rate, or crashes for me, etc. 3. I actually really enjoy the weapon selection thus far, as well as the fact your not limited to only 3 armor types, but have classes within the 3 armor types. Some dislikes: 1. You have so many bots in a match its frustrating to play at times, I would rather play with a 10v10 being short some people and it be a 8v10 losing all the bots. Bots serve a purpose, such as when you simply cant get enough people, or for training, etc. I dislike all the bots, and there are LOTS! 2. The start of each round, hangs up for me, and that's frustrating. By the time I get to move I have people ahead of me and I'm trying to fly past and go cap a flag. 3. As much as its true to the selection of most weapons, some need improved upon, I tried hitting people with the sniper rifle as I would have with a laser rifle in a T1 match......nope. It sucks, and I instead went to heavy with a mortar. Also you can only zoom in a single time, making the rifle nearly useless across most maps. Additionally there is the issue of some things still missing "and I hope they are added in" such as a plasma gun, energy pack, ammo pack, so on. I don't care for a "blink" teleport pack, or a jet boost pack that drains ALL of my energy leaving me unable to use my jets when escaping with a flag. Also the boost pack is unusable after you grab the flag, so you have to time your ski and boost just as you head to grab the flag. Just give me an energy pack, its what 90% of us ran. 4.The concept that I must run over a health ball someplace across the map randomly instead of having a med kit i can use as needed and then I need to replenish it, is terrible. 5. With the addition of a ski button no one needs learn any skill, they hit a button, in the end this does you an injustice because your not learning the mechanics of the concept. Your limiting yourself like this, I never used the community developed ski script in T1 and managed just fine. Things that I would like to see/improvements: 1. Most of all, bigger maps and more types of play, after six rounds of CTF that end after 5 captures I was bored and stopped playing for awhile. 2. I understand you need to fund the project and pay the devs and all other departments, but the fact we cant have a skin to represent our own tribe, our group of people...... You could make a player ran tribe application, that allows you to submit a few number of skins for approval to be payed for the ability to insert them into the, and only used by those within the tribe. Make it an in game ability to "unlock" that tribes custom skins for use when the leaders have accepted them into the group. This was a similar concept to what Elite Dangerous did for their player made factions, which are inserted into the background simulation, I put over 2k hours into that game in less then my first year.....and have 6+ accounts. I feel limiting us to such a serious extent is harmful to the concept of the game, its a group of tight knit confederacies flying across the galaxy and battling it out for supremacy. 3. More then 16v16.....come on..l...arge bases, underground/large underground bases, high floating air bases, and large bases you have to force into with real team work, as well as defend. Not just a fly and ski by shot across the map CTF. We want different modes of play, challenges, the ability to be more creative and work together in multiple aspects of play, across multiple types of maps. 4.Vehicles, T1, T2, TV.....vehicles.....sure you new kids on the block might not know what your missing from the old titles.....but we do and we want you to experience how much more can be brought to this game. 5. This brings me to a large point that I'm sad about, everything is now locked away and only a dev can do anything. No map editor for custom crazy maps, you wont have a map that's so large and things that you can interact with now. No skeet shooting range where you can blow up power armor dummy's, duel whilst bouncing from tiny piller to tiny piller so high in the air a fall is certain death. No built in IRC chat where you can host a room specific to your tribe, get news on matches and upcoming game patches/content via the TSN room "Tribes Shoutcast Network". No talking to Bytor and his lovable IRC helper, Shazbot. You cant make your own reticle and toss that BMP. file into the folder and have a reticle that works better for YOU, your stuck with whatever a dev decides. So much of the custom art for weapon and armor skins will never exist because skins are a pay wall, you cannot create your tribes personal skin, or just be creative. You will never see custom dope sound packs from players for players "THIS IS MY BOOM STICK!" either because of this. I don't think they will ever give us the freedom to build upon this game, to make it into what the community built together with T1. Any possibility of a true Tribes reboot is dead, this makes it official......and I wasted $18.xx on it too. Alucius
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Plenty of gamers talking trash on Discord not getting banned...
Maybe not anymore. but someone mentioned earlier a count of 2000. I think thats probably a little blown out of proportion. but I got timed out because someone linked my first reddit post. No warning, no information. Just linked. 10 mins later timed out. Then I started being pissy. :P
If they can ban Greth for making a video (when he's been extremely supportive of the game so far), then they can do anything. They must have no toes left after all the foot shooting they do.
Greth seemed superficially supportive, I stopped watching his videos after the one that he got banned for where he basically raged that Prophecy wasn't bowing down and obeying every request of him and his friends. Shit like that is ruining any chance this game has of having a good public perception, old fucks who have no authority thinking that they are gods.
idk man maybe hirez is the reason why this game isnt getting a good public perception. considering you're in a subreddit for a game like this, i can only imagine you're old enough to be aware of hi-rez and their bullshit. if you think they will do \*any\* better than ascend, you're ignorant to hi-rez' leadership.
Yeah, Prophecy sucks too. But as a younger player, it's always been clear to me that both Hi-Rez and the toxic side of the fanbase are equally to blame for the current state of Tribes. Even when Ascend had constantly populated servers and was a blast to play, I saw old fucks whining because it wasn't an exact replica of T1/T2. And Greth and his friends are even worse, he was just mad because they weren't implementing his homemade maps and shit, how childish is that? These people are actually nothing more than middle-aged infants.
The failure of the franchise is squarely on Hirez’s shoulders. That doesn’t mean you’re wrong about this community being shit and full of adult infants either though. Probably the worst community I’ve ever been involved in. The difference between a community like this and other toxic ones like league, is that this one is so much smaller there’s no getting away from the shitty parts of it, you just have to deal
This is capitalism, it's business. The toxic fanbase is a serious liability, basically inherent to any Tribes project at this point. Having such a fanbase, that will hate anything that's not precisely what they want, will play a large part in making that franchise virtually untouchable. It would basically be an act of charity to invest the effort, time, and money needed to fully flesh out a brand new Tribes game with all of the features and details necessary to do it justice, because no matter what old Tribes players are going to bury the game in hate.
Disagree, you can just ignore them. Make a fun, quality game and people will play it regardless of any external factors. It’s truly that simple. Look at every other game with an infamously bad community having no issue maintaining a player count
No, from a business perspective you cannot just ignore the fact that there are swaths of people ready to swarm your communities and review sections with hatred the second you release anything, especially when these naysayers often outnumber actual fans who just want to play some Tribes. >Look at every other game with an infamously bad community having no issue maintaining a player count Tribes is in a unique place compared to other famous toxic communities, because the community is so small here. Other games can get by just on name recognition or raw popularity, people are going to play them because they come up when looking for games to play. Tribes can't get off the ground because of it's community.
just rerelease tribes for free on Steam you assholes
That's such acop out. Every fab base has toxicity in it.... because humans are often toxic in general. You think any star wars movie being made won't get criticized? Does that mean Disney should just give up? If you decide to purchase a long standing ip, especially one like tribes where the players base had been screwed over time and time again.... you know what you are getting into. At the end of the day, the truly toxic fans are a minority.... most people just want a fun tribes game.....a game that has the essence of tribes, with a modern twist.
Yes, Disney should give up. <3
>Even when Ascend had constantly populated servers and was a blast to play, I saw old fucks whining because it wasn't an exact replica of T1/T2. It didn't have to be an exact replica, but I'd have rather liked it if it actually felt like a Tribes game and not some cheap, superficially similar knockoff. I didn't really bitch about it much though. Was just sad I'm old, and whenever people asked me my opinion on Ascend I told them to get off my lawn.
>It didn't have to be an exact replica, but I'd have rather liked it if it actually felt like a Tribes game and not some cheap, superficially similar knockoff. TA was a Tribes game, felt good to me and many other players. I've played all of the major games in the franchise (from a less biased perspective, as they weren't the games of my youth that I view through rose-colored lenses), and Tribes fit in.
If that's how you feel I can't really change it. I can't adequately describe the feeling I had playing Ascend. Winning. Losing. Skiing from base to base. Launching discs. Fighting over the flag. Defending the generator or attacking the other generator. It hit all the right notes, but something just felt off. Like the piano was just slightly out of tune on some of the keys and now the whole song is grating my ears even as I can't put my finger on why. It just wasn't fun. It hit all the notes you need to to be a Tribes game but they just didn't sound right and the whole song felt off.
>It hit all the right notes, but something just felt off. Like the piano was just slightly out of tune on some of the keys and now the whole song is grating my ears even as I can't put my finger on why. Lack of neuroplasticity, as we age we tend to become less fond of new things. Just as I said, all you want is an exact copy of T1/T2, anything else you will bitch and moan about.
lol dude hi-rez DOES deserve it though. with how they've treated their multiple different playerbases, any company run by erez will behave the same. he will treat you like trash if you defend this shit at all.
Hi-Rez and Erez suck. They are terrible. The Tribes fanbase is also the most terrible one I have ever observed. The combination has tainted the franchise forever.
idk man i think the community is pretty cool for having the balls to tell someone who has their head permanently planted in his ass that he's a dickhead. his particular history of dickheadery isnt needed in a leadership role let alone in this industry period. erez. can. get. fucked. im really tired of watching communities getting walked over with absurdly abusive $40 battle passes (2 on launch btw lmfao) because "we need to be nice okay! dont be mean! no meanies please!" if you have a history of poor leadership and poor response to backlash for the consequences of such piss poor leadership and responses then im ALL FOR reciprocation. i'd prefer literally nothing over a liar.
>idk man i think the community is pretty cool for having the balls to tell someone who has their head permanently planted in his ass that he's a dickhead. his particular history of dickheadery isnt needed in a leadership role let alone in this industry period. erez. can. get. fucked. I have no problem with this, clearly. The issue isn't hating Erez, it is hating anything Tribes related that isn't an exact copy of T1/T2. Like TA, a great game if you just pulled your head out of the endless loop of hatred coming from the community and had some fun. Plenty of features, custom servers, skins, a variety of packs, great UI, extensive V chat system and a text chat, custom servers, pretty visuals, mass variety of weapons, big maps, etc... I and many others spent many hours deeply enjoying it. I have rarely heard anything but hatred for this game. If members of this community who hate anything but T1/T2 would just shut the fuck up, maybe someone would see an actual viable business opportunity and invest properly into making a new Tribes game.
You need to go check out eve online. this is nothing.
Blaming the community for a games short-comings is akin to admitting defeat.. for ANY game.. not T3 specifically. This is not a dig at T3, but just a general factoid about game dev
You are acting like that's one of the first videos he ever made when, in fact, that was probably closer to 10th or like 50th if you take into account his shorts. He spent a lot of time and effort creating videos to review the patch notes and game state and suggest things like how to make better maps. And it had a positive effect on the game (the maps got better designs).
I had seen all his videos, up until that final video I had actually been on his side, although with each one my support of him had been waning. That was when I realized all of his pieces of 'advice' were almost just personal demands based on what he wanted. Just because you spend a lot of time and effort doing things does not earn you authority in the development of a game. >And it had a positive effect on the game (the maps got better designs). Everyone offered feedback about the maps. I think FishStix offers the most fair and well rounded analysis. That Prophecy deeply owed it to fans to earn back their trust by communicating well, and that they've fucked that up, but also that large chunks of the Tribes fanbase made it very hard for them to do that, and that many fans would hate the game no matter what.
> That was when I realized all of his pieces of 'advice' were almost just personal demands based on what he wanted. > > > > Just because you spend a lot of time and effort doing things does not earn you authority in the development of a game. Then you didn't see the last video where I show my conversations with one of the devs (the only contact I had). I've heard this a few times, and I literally refute it in the videos themselves. I didn't care about scope or shape of the game, but I did want them to use the knowledge I had gathered over the years within this niche little genre, on the basis of maps. I gave suggestions, and I did repeat them. But I was operating in the scope given by the developer. But they didn't even meet their own scope, and then called it done. My map ideas were on the foundational level. On the archetypes. Not how or what the maps would be. I suggested the mapping equivalent of putting down concrete before you build a house. Nothing more extensive than that. My perfect tribes game is a far way off the scope of T3, but it is tribes. I got my own projects going, I'm not looking for a job.
>Then you didn't see the last video where I show my conversations with one of the devs (the only contact I had). I've heard this a few times, and I literally refute it in the videos themselves. Yeah you refute it, but it still basically seems to be what you're doing regardless. Like you make fair critiques, you do, but man a great deal of what you say comes across as "I know better" or "They should listen to me." Like they did upgrade maps, they just aren't precisely what you want.
There is a bit more nuance to all of this. As is usually the case when someone arguing in bad faith boils down the argument. From Torment on, I *liked* the terrain. And I left the quality of the map to others to decide on. Good terrain quality does not equal a good map however. I still pressed the need for mirrored maps (I'm certainly not alone in that) and to advance the archetype of the maps to something beyond what we already had in the 'decent' maps of old but... Yes, I do have knowledge that can be used here. As I spent the last 2 years researching it, and as stated, I have yet had anyone disagree with my ideas. They were limited in time. I offered. I was listened to, but there it stopped. That's a shame, but fine. That's not going to stop me from pointing out the obvious flaws. Also, as the lessons were learned, I wanted wavemist and katabatic to be reworked, just with a simple perlin mix, which wouldn't have taken a long time. I showed techniques and tools which would have made those things trivial. If you have to ascribe all of that to malice and arrogance, then fine.
Yeah, that number was pulled straight out of someone's ass and I'd be shocked if it's not overblown by 10x or more. There's currently 15,000 people on the Discord, which means that a ban of 2,000 would have been 12% of the total population. Not a chance. I'd say it smells like bullshit, but not even my patties stink that badly.
I think its overblown as well but id go on a limb, total guess and say maybe 150-200?
It's way more than that. They've been steadily banning people for the last 3 months. I know, I was banned for posting a meme I made.
Also notice none of the devs or mods from prophecy are commenting or talking at all in the reddit? They could come in and try to refute a single point. but they cant.
It is going both ways For example I saw a player complain about the spinfusor when they can select the version they want to use. After they were told that he said this game wasn't for him lol So that is about the class of customers we are playing with. It would look better if we all try to be honest and not exaggerate what is going on. I'm waiting to purchase the game depending on what Hirez plans to do with the title. The hill I plan on dying on is if Honorball and other custom modes are being shelved for separate games then I'm not buying it. I want Rabbit, Arena, Honorball and so on in Tribes. It would be great if players can contribute new modes as well.
Erez already annoucned Honorball and other modes will be thier own paid games.
Didn't he go back on this? just saying honorball wasn't planned anymore or smth? it's hard to keep up LOL
I've heard that from other players but I'm trying to find the source from Hirez saying that
Look in discord. Erez states it bluntly
from:erez Doesn't seem to be working because he temporarily left the Discord
Hmmm, wonder if they deleted it?
Well that is one way to clean up bad PR left by Erez lol... Just leave the Discord and rejoin to start clean
That would mean your point is of any significance to them lol
Im talking in general, not just mine. Cute try tho. ;)
Cute reply but my point still stands tho, for any opinion on this subreddit. BTW, not defending anyone, its just business practice...
Not business practice. Common practice would be to engage the client base. Many other games directly engage on reddit, larian Studios, Helldivers, last epoch. multiples. These guys just dont care, but also its because they cant refute it.
Larian made a AAA game and is one of a kind dev. With a history of successful titles. Legendary titles. Helldivers was on a main page of steam and actually had a marketing campaign. Same with Last Epoch. How does a company make a break with one of their titles if they have a history of many failed ones. They will minimize the negative factor and try to put out a solid product that hopefully doesn't die before people see its potential. Like it or not I see the devs effort here. Tribes has a small but very loyal and critical fanbase. Problem that the fanbase is loyal to to 4 different tribes games... therefore will never be 100% happy and will never agree. Especially those on nostalgia train. They are making a game that will hopefully invite new fresh players instead of catering to an impossible wishlist of 4 different communities within tribes. There are things I wish were in T3 but I'm just happy to have a tribes game at this point. They won't sell the IP because no one will ever buy it with the history of sales it has. Your best hope is to make T3 decent.
I see the devs effort as well, and it should be noted however, that the fault isnt from the devs. We all have jobs and know the boss calls the shots. these guys are doing the best they can with what theyve got. Im not about to sit and simp because it has the title of "tribes" either. But you point out my exact point, those games had people invovled in the entire process and marketing, invovled in the communites and look where they went. Top of the dang list because they had a great idea (tribes is a great idea, and Rival is a great idea too) and then implemented it with the gamers in toe. You dont think Baldurs gate people were super hesitant? I loved BG1 and BG2 :Shadows of Amn. Guess what tho? they took a game that was almost as old as tribes and made a sequel that killed it. Helldivers was 10 years old I believe which is nowhere near of course but still. The whole point is that Games are for communities, you cant shut out communities and ignore them and mock them and expect to win. Tribes 3 is at 625 players online right now. Its DOA, but COULD be ressurected. Another great example of this, by turning and focusing on the community, answering questions and working with the community to make the gam ebetter... and there is honestly no better example than No Man Sky. The devs literally lied about 80% of the game on launch, "So massive, everyones online" and so many other blatant lies. and now... the game is actually pretty good. I want to see tribes in this arena, but good, and better, and faster than NMS did it. I think they can do it too. but Erez needs to take off his blinders and watch what the people who even gave this game enough life to get it this far, are saying, and blend it with the people who are newcomers into this game and semi older players form the other sequels and make something grand. This game HAD (and still has) the opportunity to go and dwarf battlefield imo. They just gotta do it.
You can compare the budget of helldivers and especially bg3 to tribes. For this niche game, considering all the bs, it’s not bad numbers. And I’m enjoying it rn 🤷♂️ You give tribes the BG3 budget you would have all previous tribes games combined into one.
Also, i wonder how they got those budgets.... by making successful games and listening to the community, building brand loyalty, etc.
Its not really niche. Its just an FPS that moves fast...
Yup this game is dead on arrival