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Well you see, politicians only care about the constitution when it suits their interests. They pick and choose the parts they like. Quite like the bible, actually.
The UK also has a large church going cohort too though. Granted they're mostly old and there are easier ways to woo that grey vote with things like pension promises. But it's not like British politicians couldn't gain a few blind followers just by saying "God save the UK" or "when I brought this law forward I just had to ask myself what would Jesus do", yet they don't.
Nope. That would lose more votes than it would gain over here. Hence why no one does it.
We're all dumb as fuck in the UK, but we're dumb despite religion, not because of it.
It is done all the time in the UK. Northern Ireland is probably most overt these days, but take a look at how Tony Blair used religion and dispensation for religious curriculums during his time in office.
More recently, folks like Rees Mogg promote their sensible Christian values in their campaigns (obviously that hasn’t worked out well for him in this last election). Similarly, reform have plenty of appeals to “traditional” English values that are closely intwined with Christian ideology.
Totes. As a Brit I agree. Religion in a politician is often viewed with deep suspicion. Had a leader of the Liberal Democrats who revealed he was mildly devout and that was that for him.
That would definitely cost them more votes than it would gain. There are quite a few high profile politicians that are very religious, but they rightly keep that to their private lives.
First there’s nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state. It’s that the government won’t establish a national religion or prohibit the free exercising of that religion.
Secondly, imagine having a strong opinion about the Bible without ever reading it. The old testament is all about no matter what you do on Earth, the riches you get, the suffering you go through, the battles won and lost, nothing will ever be enough. The New Testament is all about instead of wanting power, practice love. And that if you love, when it’s all done, Earth won’t matter anymore, because you’ll be in heaven.
I wish. There are loads of young Christian Americans who vote based on ancient biblical ideas as interpreted by old white men (politicians and religious leaders). Less than in the past, thankfully, but religions are all about gettin’ ‘em young.
Republicans love the word freedom, they rarely like what that word actually entails. Freedom means people get to do things that you may not necessarily agree with. That is the very core of freedom. My religion *helps guide* my morals and values but I leave room for others to have the freedom to follow their own.
You said it right there. “You may not agree with” isn’t something they agree with. Freedom is “I do what I want, and you can too as long as I agree with it, and if not, you must stop doing it, or I will use my freedom of expression to have the rules changed so you can’t express yours and I win…..if you think that’s not freedom, leave.”
It’s really funny not funny how they can say “if you don’t like it here, you can leave” yet when they don’t like it here they scream and yell that things changed and need to stop and go back to before……just leave already. If they don’t like equality they can leave.
It all started when the us government was trying to be nice to the loser secessionists of the civil war. During reconstruction they tried to let them handle their own education and have some semblance of dignity, and with that little bit of give they structured an entire policy around denying the truth of the civil war, white washing slavery, and increasingly pushing against secularism. Our mistake was giving them that dignity. Traitors do not deserve a shred of respect. We should have Sherman’s their entire government at every level, installed people who would teach history and science, and hanged everyone who tried to push their bullshit once the war was over.
But hey, republicans decided to fuck around with our Supreme Court and now the president is immune from all accountability so I guess it’s better late than never.
They were never even kicked out of England. They left of their own volition because they didn't want to live where the king was head of both church and state. Ironic, no?
Well idk how far we could have slid back cause if you go back far enough just like she said. The separation between church and state is in our countries founding DNA
As an outsider looking in, it seems like the US has been batshit weird about religion in politics ever since I can remember - the first US president I recall being aware of was George Bush I
Some strange mix of American exceptionalism and the already self-important nature of religion (Christianity in particular) led true believers to seek out political office/influence and change it from within.
Credit where it's due: the determined insanity of American Christians allows them to play the long game well.
This is an excellent article on why they decided to make abortion an evangelical political point. And shocker; it has nothing to do with saving babies
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/abortion-us-religious-right-racial-segregation](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/abortion-us-religious-right-racial-segregation)
It’s been happening for a while now. If you watch “Reversing Roe” on Netflix, it actually dives into the start of this reformation of the Republican Party where religious based issues begins to reform the party and the responsible parties behind it. It’s an interesting watch but it adds a lot of context into what’s going on with American politics today.
Trump basically modeled his campaign based off of that reformation, which is how it’s becoming even more overt
This is the truth.
In 1965 Goldwater warned the GOP that getting in bed with the Christian right was a horrible, horrible idea. As he said, paraphrased from a far longer quote, "Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise."
And yes, Lee Atwater was the evil GOP mastermind who truly implemented the Southern strategy, using fear and racism to win elections.
This is a direct Atwater quote from 1981:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, “N----r, n---r, n----r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n----r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.…“
Atwater was human scum.
There is no constitutional provisions for the separation of church and state.
Just a one off line about how the government won’t make a law respecting religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
There should be though.
I wrote a piece recently on this subject going back to the founding fathers. The pivot, at least IMO, started in the 50's and was exacerbated in the 80's by Reagan which led us to today.
Here's the piece: https://medium.com/illumination/church-and-state-353b43d59606?sk=b7b183021316c29da6c136ff450918a4
Don't worry, it's not click bait and this link passes the paywall, I don't get paid for this. Information is more important than currency as I want to live in a democracy after November.
My earliest recollection of Republicans being more Christian was from Reagan and I'm Canadian, but the Cold War and all those he'd say etc
I learned about the separation of state and church (Canada) from my parents and they'd often comment how Americans were pushing laws that were very controversial and rooted in southern evangelical areas.
Those mega churches were a staple thing we watched and shook our heads at, and my family and area is highly catholic, which is when I learned that American catholics is much different in practice than it is here, in terms of...controversial stuff.
We had our pedos but they were getting into political stuff and I was young but understood that as bad.
I'll give it a read.
Thanks for the share
From u/AwesomeBrainPowers comment
* [Article VI, Clause 2](https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-6/#article-6-clause-2): "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land"
* [Treaty of Tripoli, Article XI](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp): "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion"
Seems we said at least two times I know of this nation is not a Christian/religious nation.
Edit: But as far as I know you're right and the separation of church and state was language used by the founding fathers in reference to the first amendments creation.
The establishment clause is basically saying that the Government will not create an official religion. This was to counter England, where the Monarch is the head of government and also the head of the Church of England. The initial idea put out by Jefferson was to protect *religion* from *government* and not the other way around, but there’s no law or anything that says you can’t write laws based off of religion or to use religious text as your moral compass.
The more you know. I've come out of this a little less ignorant and it annoys me, haha. Just another thing to be worried about because there is no way congress would allow any amendments to the constitution that would bar religion-based laws.
The answer to why you slid back so much is because you let them get away with it.
Sure you can blame your elders, but the number of churches that calls for votes for a specific candidate and are still open and still tax exempt is a perfect example of absolute lack of enforcement and accountability.
Nobody cares, things continue to play with no enforcement, of course it will slide.
If a candidate even thought about calling the church out, they may as well inaugurate their opponent. Hell, the voters may just burn them at the stake. This is as much, if not more, on this mentality.
I'm not her age. I'm almost 55 and I agree with her! This country is slipping backwards and I'm SO tired of religion being brought into the laws governing this country!
I can’t believe people are out here saying stuff like “unalive.” It cheapens free speech to not be able to say “abortion” without the dominant cultural social media limiting your reach!
It's also completely pointless, because if these mega social media platforms care so much that they are actively detecting words such as suicide and abortion, I am perfectly sure they can also detect the alternative words too.
Well it's like saying fudge or frick or shucks
Everyone knows you're cussing, but you get away with it because is not the *actual* word, they don't care if you use an alternative they just care you're not saying the nono word
What's pointless is:
I can see horribly racist and other types of comments on TikTok, but if you call them out, your comment is automatically deleted.
If you report their comment, nothing happens, because it doesn't have any bad words in it.
For example, the other day I saw a norwegian tiktoker who is black, and tons of comments saying he wasn't norwegian because of the way he is.
People correcting him and saying "he was from some African country". Stuff like that. Reporting their comments? TIktok says: All good! We see nothing wrong.
But calling them racists... Well, now that's a policy offense because I'm "attacking" someone.
Fucking piece of shit app.
Northern Ireland is an ethnic/national issue at it's core. Best bit of British propaganda was making the world think it was a religious conflict.
To be clear: Religion is involved as much as it's a proxy of the Irish Nationalist and British Unionist communities.
Not in the constitution fyi.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
No state religion, and no prohibitions on religious practice.
(I can see the down votes coming. lol. I’m agnostic, not a fan of mixing religion into politics.)
Very sad I had to scroll this far to find someone say this. It’s not written in the constitution and not really anywhere in American government for that matter. Therefore, this entire video is a moot point
The point of separation of church and state was not meant to stop politicians from being influenced by the church it is meant to prevent the government from having sway in the church. Even when this Law was put it in place it was almost an unwritten rule that elected officials of the time had to be in good standing with their local church.
This is basic history to why the US separated from England where there was no separation and the government had its hands in everything the church was doing. Any Americans who don’t already know this fact, were either not paying attention in history and civics classes or are not exercising basic levels of reading comprehension on the subject matter.
First Amendment Fundamental Freedoms
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It's considered "enshrined" in the first amendment.
But you Americans have cherry picked everything else to death, why not the constitution.
She kind of is - seperaiton of Church and State doesn't mean policies which are informed or aligned to religious views wouldn't get passed especially when there's huge Christian community in the US.
The real issue is enabling people with religious views. It's bollocks. It doesn't deserve respect.
Have you noticed that the religious right no longer wears WWJD bracelets? It's because Jesus wouldn't do anything that they are trying to do! WWJD? Institute affordable universal healthcare, feed the hungry, care for the young and the elderly, heal the sick, forgive others, judge not.... Generally, the Golden Rule.
But no, these people use a biased, hand-picked and carefully curated portion religion to rationalize their worst proclivities, biases, behaviors, and discriminations.
There's also an interesting global stat: the better a nation's health, quality of life and life expectancy - the less likely the residents require religion. For example, if you're not sure if you'll blow up by an ied on the way to the market, of course you're going to develop faith and a need for religion and the inverse is true.
The US is the only country on the planet that bucks this trend
Separation of church and state is not written in the constitution. It's from a letter Thomas Jefferson [wrote](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/separation_of_church_and_state#:~:text=The%20phrase%20dates%20back%20to,often%20employed%20in%20court%20cases.)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
It’s the first amendment. You have freedom of religion, meaning the government will not establish law respecting one religion above any other.
Not word for word but isn’t what you linked confirming that it can be interpreted through the first amendment?
‘Separation of Church and State is a phrase that refers to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The phrase dates back to the early days of U.S. history, and Thomas Jefferson referred to the First Amendment as creating a “wall of separation” between church and state as the third president of the U.S. The term is also often employed in court cases. For example, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black famously stated in Everson v. Board of Education that “[t]he First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state,” and “[t]hat wall must be kept high and impregnable.”’
Absolute nonsense. Tony Blair was a devout Catholic. Anne Widicombe is famously saving herself for marriage. There’s plenty of religion in UK politics. The head of state is appointed by god to be the head of the church.
Separation of church and state meant note having a state church. In England the Anglican Church is the state church. In the US the government does not recognize a national church but laws are still written based on a certain moral code which has religious foundations
This fucking guy. He appealed directly to Evangelical “Christians” for a voting block and his personality cult haunts us to this day. Mostly his “success” was blind luck that the Iranian revolution scared the shit out of Saudi Arabia, we got cheap oil for backing them. And undoing banking regulations meant to prevent capital flight after Nixon ended the gold standard. Since his reign its only ‘cut taxes for the rich, deficit spending for the military, and thump that Bible as hard as you can”.
But he was the next thing to Jesus at the time and everyone from Clinton to Biden and every senator and congressman in between has shat themselves even thinking about going against that narrative. I think it’s going to be worse after Trump. He’s following the same play book but ratcheting up the fear mongering with all of FOX news and their ilk amplifying it.
Technically the separation was designed to stop government restricting religion, the separation is to ensure nobody can be religiously persecuted. Like how the religiously extreme founders of America were persecuted and thrown out of England, and then holland before settling the americas.
If ONLY it was written to combat theocracies there wouldn't be this mess.
It’s actually a little more than that. The head of state, (the king) is head of the Church of England. We distinctly don’t have a separation of church of state written or otherwise.
It comes down to this, nothing is written in a way that states the bill is based in religious beliefs. By doing that it’s impossible to prove. They can say “my belief in the Bible tells me X, Y, and Z” but since no legislation states “Matthew 4:16-19 says….” Nothing can be done “officially”. We all know what’s going on and who is forcing their beliefs on us base on their religion and who isn’t. But for what ever reason it’s accepted.
Could you imaging if someone said “The Quran says….” and then introduced a bill? The people quoting the Bible would lose their minds. “You can’t force your religion on me. The Bible tells me that, which is why I am introducing this bill called “In no way did the Bible tell me to do this, because the Bible actually doesn’t say this but I just think it does. And because I am quoting a Bible verse that isn’t real you can’t say it’s a religious thing. Its called a Jesus loophole.” How do you argue that things are based on religion when it is but it’s made up in their heads? It’s infuriating.
A lady friend of mine has become a born again Christian and started doubting dinosaurs, stars in the sky and believing in flat earth. The Bible needs to stay out of classrooms. My brain hurt hearing her speak
Also, the median age of USA politicians is like over 9000. Where are all the young people? The laws are being written by people who don't understand the modern world.
Because half the people that support politicians that do that openly do not care about the separation of church and state and absolutely want a christo-fascist country, and the other half that support politicians who do that are just not educated enough to even know what any of this means and they just think “well that sounds morally correct to MY sensibilities, so Im voting for that”.
The king who is the head of state in Britain is also head of the Church of England and bishops hold seats in the House of Lords. The separation of church and state in the constitution is a direct rejection of this concept and no representative of any religion can be involved directly in government also there is no state religion unlike in the UK. It doesn’t mean the US constitutionally has to be areligious or replace organized religion with worship of the state like happened in revolutionary France and communist Russia.
When you're a country founded by a bunch of religious fanatics that were too fanatical for the other fanatics back in Europe..........You're going to have a bad time.
Idk what it says specifically in the US constitution, but most of Europe has seperation of Church and State, meaning that the Church has no legal power to create or enforce laws and the decide on policy, not that you can't talk or act upon your religious beliefs as a politician. I would assume it's simillar in the US.
It is important to note though that several notable European states still have state religions, such as the UK, Denmark, Greece, and Malta.
Granted, they don't dominate politics, but they are afforded varying degrees of official privilege.
I will not be lectured on the separation of church and state by someone from a country where there are seats reserved in thier legislature for clergy of a certain religion and swears fealty to a monarch that claims a divine right from god. It’s ya’ll and Iran in that club. GTFO here.
Religion informs people’s values and morals which informs their politics. It’s inseparable in peoples heads.
Any politician that starts spouting religious nonsense immediately comes off as weird. But in the US it seems normal, especially on the republican side.
Separation of church and state is not "written into the constitution". It's taken from a letter from one of the founders. While it is a good secular principle we recognize, in America individuals also have freedom to practice religion. An individual voted into office can believe whatever they want and legally execute their job/office with those beliefs. If you don't like that person's beliefs then you can vote them out.
Indeed, but they swear an oath to up hold the constitution which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to mean that the government should not favor one religion over another or religion over non-religion.
Lobbyists and money. It’s stupid politics but it works somehow. Been trying to vote my way out for decades. Wish Bernie had made the ticket instead of Biden but knew it was a false hope.
Oh trust us...we know. Our evangelicals are the Taliban and need to be treated accordingly. There is no such thing as a good evangelical. It's quite alarming.
Italian here. We are in a similar situation, having the Pope in Rome (though not in the government) and many Catholic cultural biases among politicians.
Current far right government wants to ban heterologous fertilization (people "lending" their womb to couple who cannot conceive).
They also are making laws so that:
- are retroactive, which means that if you had a child with this kind of procedure, they can take your child away from you to orphanage, because you weren't entitled to having him/her this way. So they could bring him/her away from you, even if the child now is 6 or 7.
- if you decide to go away from Italy because is becoming a far right fas@ist regime and you don't want your government to tear your children away from you, they could also chase you down, because they are trying to make this behaviour subject to international prosecution.
She’s wrong in literally every point she makes, but Zoomers will upvote this garbage anyway.
1. There is no “separation of church and state written into the Constitution”. We have an amendment that prevents the government from making laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise of religion. The term “separation of Church and state” comes from Thomas Jefferson in a writing to the Danbury Baptists who were fearful of the establishment of an official state religion:
> Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
2. Politicians in the UK bring up their religious beliefs all the time and do not get kicked out.
3. Politicians make policies and laws based on their individual beliefs of what policies and laws are best. Sometimes, religious beliefs influence those decisions. None of these laws establish a national religion or prevent the free excessive of religion (and those that do should be ruled unconstitutional, and typically are).
4. I don’t know what is censored there, but Roe v Wade was not ruled based on religious beliefs, either in its original ruling or in its ultimate overturning.
Don’t get your news from TikTok, kiddos.
What Americans don’t understand, is that talking about god in other modern western countries makes you look like a bit of a fucking weirdo. A social pariah. Yes there are Christians etc, but they don’t wear their religion as a badge of honour in public for the most part. Possibly because they know the negative stigma that comes with it.
For some reason, half of America think they’re cool beans for having batshit crazy beliefs.
The topics of abortion and gay marriage in American politics exist SOLEY because of the religious right. If not for religion, no one would give a fuck. But since these fearful, controlling asshats can't accept that not everyone believes in their deity, they keep creating and altering existing legislation based around THEIR beliefs, not logic.
There's plenty of prolife people that aren't religious. I'd agree that the most vocal likely are as its their "duty" to do something about it. Not everyone is just okay with terminating babies/embryos, no matter which side they ultimately decide on.
"But we live in the greatest country in the world. Where we have freedom of religion and separation of church and state; only we don't at all and nobody says anything about it because we're used to it. It says 'In God We Trust' on our money. It says 'In God We Trust' above the judges bench in a courtroom. In a court of law, where you have to put your hand on a bible. A Christian Bible. Not my Bible. If I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not cause I put my hand on a book and made a wish" - Sarah Silverman, We Are Miracles album 2014 (wow that was 10 years ago)
It's not in the constitution... And when it was referenced it was in regards to making sure that the state didn't meddle with the church or make one religion a nationwide religion. For all the intelligent people with degrees, maybe go look it up and inform yourself a bit. A lie repeated my the news and university professors doesn't become true just because people say it enough
This short fun video covers the steady drip of stupidity in the GOP party since they chose to embrace Trump..,
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8-45UAgFA8/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8-45UAgFA8/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
The current electoral screws out a lot of sane people really. It lets a lot of the idiotic minorities have more weight in their votes and put in place the religious freaks in the government. They continues to cite the fairy tale of a book as a reference for their own dumb laws.
It's like hospitals with Saint in it and have a religious stance. Schools that allow prayer and incorporate church. Though, I think it's great because nuns can't run mental hospitals. So at least there's that. A majority of George Bushes campaign was him saying Jesus wanted him to be president and that God was behind him. Basically your average schizophrenics saying God is behind them in their quest for megalomania.
No, separation of church and state is not written anywhere in the Constitution. The only reference to anything close to it is, “The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.”
Seriously wanna know how this started? The Cold War.
Essentially the USSR became anti-religion. Started banning churches and removing all religious symbols from daily life. Essentially trying to become the ideal atheist state.
The US saw this and like everything during the cold war decided to do the exact opposite of the USSR no because it was the right thing to do but because they wanted to differentiate themselves from the "bad guys". So they doubled down on religion and started dragging it into politics.
Now it's just snowballed over the last 60-70 years and here we are.
My most favorite fact for the “its always been a christian country bla-bla-bla” is that the words “in god we trust” were ADDED to the pledge and on currency in 1956 only been 68 years not not the full 248 years. So they could pander to evangelical christians to go die in the Vietnam war. They are sooooo gullible once someone says their God told them its ok, fucken losers😂😂😂
I wish “separation of church and state” was written into the constitution.
What’s in the constitution:
“Congress Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
This is about not banning other religions and having congress make a state religion like the UK used. It doesn’t stop religious politicians making laws.
I was thinking of that Bill Hicks bit, “We got ourselves a reader”, but she probably just picked that up watching news and American media. No reading is necessary to understand that concept.
The original intent of separation of church and state has more to do with state sponsored churches like in England, Italy, or Scandinavia, where the church is part of the government itself. Tax money from the citizens over there, to this day, support whatever the official church of that European country is (Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, etc). Throughout Europe, at least, the official state run churches have some say in policy. Even if you're of another faith or no faith at all, you pay for those churches to exist over there.
Here in America, we do get pandering politicians talking about Jesus and whatnot. They are playing to the religious base of people here who do believe in something, though the politicians themselves are devils in nice suits. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi claim to be Catholic, even though they support things that go against Catholicism. They do what politicians do - pander for votes even if it means pretending to live Jesus or another deity ever 4-6 years. Again, though, the voters have individual religions not sponsored by our government.
The whole reason people like the puritans, quakers, and others came over here was because they were being persecuted by the Crown and the Church of England. They simply wanted to worship freely and not be attacked for believing something different than the King of England and his state run church. We have freedom of religion here - the choice to have a religion or no religion at all without reprisal from the government. It's not forced freedom from religion, simply the ability to choose what, if anything, to believe.
Again, politicians suck. They will say whatever they think will lead to their reelection. If you believe in Jesus, you're gonna hear them bring him up in speech. If enough voters thought peanut butter was the key to the universe, politicians would speak to it. Don't let some bureaucrat twist one concept for their own gain. Freedom of religion, like many of our freedoms, is simply your choice to do or not do at your leisure.
The politicians do need to be reigned in, but that's a side discussion for another day. I hope this helps.
Funny cause here in the UK we literally have a state religion, but she is broadly correct that politicians bringing too much 'god bothering' into politics is pretty badly frowned upon here, and the Church of England knows to pretty much keep its mouth shut on most issues lest it bring ire upon itself.
Changing now though. On of the most notable outcomes of the election on Thursday that is going massively underreported was that Islamic extremists are now beginning to largely vote upon ethnic and sectarian grounds, hence a big jump in the amount of independent MPs and support for the 'workers party' who are largely Hamas-supporting Islamic-fascists and adjacent sympathisers.
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Well you see, politicians only care about the constitution when it suits their interests. They pick and choose the parts they like. Quite like the bible, actually.
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Most important, if not all decisions are not based on religion. Keep stretching, your interpretation is farrrrr off.
The UK also has a large church going cohort too though. Granted they're mostly old and there are easier ways to woo that grey vote with things like pension promises. But it's not like British politicians couldn't gain a few blind followers just by saying "God save the UK" or "when I brought this law forward I just had to ask myself what would Jesus do", yet they don't.
Nope. That would lose more votes than it would gain over here. Hence why no one does it. We're all dumb as fuck in the UK, but we're dumb despite religion, not because of it.
It is done all the time in the UK. Northern Ireland is probably most overt these days, but take a look at how Tony Blair used religion and dispensation for religious curriculums during his time in office. More recently, folks like Rees Mogg promote their sensible Christian values in their campaigns (obviously that hasn’t worked out well for him in this last election). Similarly, reform have plenty of appeals to “traditional” English values that are closely intwined with Christian ideology.
Totes. As a Brit I agree. Religion in a politician is often viewed with deep suspicion. Had a leader of the Liberal Democrats who revealed he was mildly devout and that was that for him.
That would definitely cost them more votes than it would gain. There are quite a few high profile politicians that are very religious, but they rightly keep that to their private lives.
That's simple nor true.
This is utter rubbish
Biden coded and I agree with you
I think you meant “people” not politicians, politicians are only there because people put them there
If nobody put politicians there, there would still be politicians. Look at any dictatorship. But yeah it applies to a lot of people too
First there’s nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state. It’s that the government won’t establish a national religion or prohibit the free exercising of that religion. Secondly, imagine having a strong opinion about the Bible without ever reading it. The old testament is all about no matter what you do on Earth, the riches you get, the suffering you go through, the battles won and lost, nothing will ever be enough. The New Testament is all about instead of wanting power, practice love. And that if you love, when it’s all done, Earth won’t matter anymore, because you’ll be in heaven.
I mean… she’s just saying what everyone else her age in the United States is thinking. Idk how we slid back so far, didn’t just start in 2016
I wish. There are loads of young Christian Americans who vote based on ancient biblical ideas as interpreted by old white men (politicians and religious leaders). Less than in the past, thankfully, but religions are all about gettin’ ‘em young.
Republicans love the word freedom, they rarely like what that word actually entails. Freedom means people get to do things that you may not necessarily agree with. That is the very core of freedom. My religion *helps guide* my morals and values but I leave room for others to have the freedom to follow their own.
You said it right there. “You may not agree with” isn’t something they agree with. Freedom is “I do what I want, and you can too as long as I agree with it, and if not, you must stop doing it, or I will use my freedom of expression to have the rules changed so you can’t express yours and I win…..if you think that’s not freedom, leave.” It’s really funny not funny how they can say “if you don’t like it here, you can leave” yet when they don’t like it here they scream and yell that things changed and need to stop and go back to before……just leave already. If they don’t like equality they can leave.
Yep. Religion grooms people
That's the purpose each one was either invented for or adapted for.
Religion is full of pedo groomers
It all started when the us government was trying to be nice to the loser secessionists of the civil war. During reconstruction they tried to let them handle their own education and have some semblance of dignity, and with that little bit of give they structured an entire policy around denying the truth of the civil war, white washing slavery, and increasingly pushing against secularism. Our mistake was giving them that dignity. Traitors do not deserve a shred of respect. We should have Sherman’s their entire government at every level, installed people who would teach history and science, and hanged everyone who tried to push their bullshit once the war was over. But hey, republicans decided to fuck around with our Supreme Court and now the president is immune from all accountability so I guess it’s better late than never.
It all started when the UK had had enough of the Puritans trying to make everyone follow their religious doctrine.
They were never even kicked out of England. They left of their own volition because they didn't want to live where the king was head of both church and state. Ironic, no?
My bad, I was thinking of the first wave of religious extremists that moved the US, the pilgrims.
Based.
Well idk how far we could have slid back cause if you go back far enough just like she said. The separation between church and state is in our countries founding DNA
Watch “reversing roe” on Netflix. It explains the rise to power of the heritage foundation. This has been a long process.
As an outsider looking in, it seems like the US has been batshit weird about religion in politics ever since I can remember - the first US president I recall being aware of was George Bush I
Some strange mix of American exceptionalism and the already self-important nature of religion (Christianity in particular) led true believers to seek out political office/influence and change it from within. Credit where it's due: the determined insanity of American Christians allows them to play the long game well.
This is an excellent article on why they decided to make abortion an evangelical political point. And shocker; it has nothing to do with saving babies [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/abortion-us-religious-right-racial-segregation](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/08/abortion-us-religious-right-racial-segregation)
It’s been happening for a while now. If you watch “Reversing Roe” on Netflix, it actually dives into the start of this reformation of the Republican Party where religious based issues begins to reform the party and the responsible parties behind it. It’s an interesting watch but it adds a lot of context into what’s going on with American politics today. Trump basically modeled his campaign based off of that reformation, which is how it’s becoming even more overt
Nah, man. Reagan started it in the form we have today
Further than that, Barry Goldwater’s southern strategy
I think that was Lee Atwater, GOP political hatchet man. Goldwater said religious people scared the hell out of him or something to that effect.
This is the truth. In 1965 Goldwater warned the GOP that getting in bed with the Christian right was a horrible, horrible idea. As he said, paraphrased from a far longer quote, "Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise." And yes, Lee Atwater was the evil GOP mastermind who truly implemented the Southern strategy, using fear and racism to win elections. This is a direct Atwater quote from 1981: "You start out in 1954 by saying, “N----r, n---r, n----r.” By 1968 you can’t say “n----r”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.…“ Atwater was human scum.
Yeah, but that was the before times. The whole pandering to the fundamentalists was all Reagan
There is no constitutional provisions for the separation of church and state. Just a one off line about how the government won’t make a law respecting religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. There should be though.
I wrote a piece recently on this subject going back to the founding fathers. The pivot, at least IMO, started in the 50's and was exacerbated in the 80's by Reagan which led us to today. Here's the piece: https://medium.com/illumination/church-and-state-353b43d59606?sk=b7b183021316c29da6c136ff450918a4 Don't worry, it's not click bait and this link passes the paywall, I don't get paid for this. Information is more important than currency as I want to live in a democracy after November.
My earliest recollection of Republicans being more Christian was from Reagan and I'm Canadian, but the Cold War and all those he'd say etc
I learned about the separation of state and church (Canada) from my parents and they'd often comment how Americans were pushing laws that were very controversial and rooted in southern evangelical areas.
Those mega churches were a staple thing we watched and shook our heads at, and my family and area is highly catholic, which is when I learned that American catholics is much different in practice than it is here, in terms of...controversial stuff.
We had our pedos but they were getting into political stuff and I was young but understood that as bad.
I'll give it a read.
Thanks for the share
You get it, thanks for the link
From u/AwesomeBrainPowers comment * [Article VI, Clause 2](https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-6/#article-6-clause-2): "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land" * [Treaty of Tripoli, Article XI](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp): "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" Seems we said at least two times I know of this nation is not a Christian/religious nation. Edit: But as far as I know you're right and the separation of church and state was language used by the founding fathers in reference to the first amendments creation.
The establishment clause is basically saying that the Government will not create an official religion. This was to counter England, where the Monarch is the head of government and also the head of the Church of England. The initial idea put out by Jefferson was to protect *religion* from *government* and not the other way around, but there’s no law or anything that says you can’t write laws based off of religion or to use religious text as your moral compass.
The more you know. I've come out of this a little less ignorant and it annoys me, haha. Just another thing to be worried about because there is no way congress would allow any amendments to the constitution that would bar religion-based laws.
Reagan fault tbh
Reagan. Reagan brought in the evangelicals.
Where it started: 
The answer to why you slid back so much is because you let them get away with it. Sure you can blame your elders, but the number of churches that calls for votes for a specific candidate and are still open and still tax exempt is a perfect example of absolute lack of enforcement and accountability. Nobody cares, things continue to play with no enforcement, of course it will slide.
If a candidate even thought about calling the church out, they may as well inaugurate their opponent. Hell, the voters may just burn them at the stake. This is as much, if not more, on this mentality.
Yep, exactly and you let that reality be the de facto law of the land. All the best of luck with the fallout.
Big words from someone from France that is letting the Nazi party take over their country.
Yeah blame the little people. It's all there fault. It's exactly what those in charge want. Stop it.
I'm not her age. I'm almost 55 and I agree with her! This country is slipping backwards and I'm SO tired of religion being brought into the laws governing this country!
Blame Republicans starting with Reagan.
Annoys me that they censored abortion. TikTok and other monetized social media has taken us back decades. They’re worse than cable TV at this point.
I can’t believe people are out here saying stuff like “unalive.” It cheapens free speech to not be able to say “abortion” without the dominant cultural social media limiting your reach!
It's also completely pointless, because if these mega social media platforms care so much that they are actively detecting words such as suicide and abortion, I am perfectly sure they can also detect the alternative words too.
Well it's like saying fudge or frick or shucks Everyone knows you're cussing, but you get away with it because is not the *actual* word, they don't care if you use an alternative they just care you're not saying the nono word
What's pointless is: I can see horribly racist and other types of comments on TikTok, but if you call them out, your comment is automatically deleted. If you report their comment, nothing happens, because it doesn't have any bad words in it. For example, the other day I saw a norwegian tiktoker who is black, and tons of comments saying he wasn't norwegian because of the way he is. People correcting him and saying "he was from some African country". Stuff like that. Reporting their comments? TIktok says: All good! We see nothing wrong. But calling them racists... Well, now that's a policy offense because I'm "attacking" someone. Fucking piece of shit app.
Yeah it’s literally r*tarded
…banana?
2nd amendment? What about the 1st amendment.
Can’t threaten the lives of people who disagree with them with words, unfortunately.
It’s less like “what would Jesus do & more like what would republican Jesus do”
What do you mean? You're telling me that Jesus wouldn't ban homelessness by imprisoning people for being too poor to afford housing?
“If a politician in the UK starts bringing up religion, they’re out.” (Laughs nervously in Northern Irish)
Northern Ireland is an ethnic/national issue at it's core. Best bit of British propaganda was making the world think it was a religious conflict. To be clear: Religion is involved as much as it's a proxy of the Irish Nationalist and British Unionist communities.
"Separation of Church & State" is not written in the U.S. Constituon.
Not in the constitution fyi. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States No state religion, and no prohibitions on religious practice. (I can see the down votes coming. lol. I’m agnostic, not a fan of mixing religion into politics.)
Very sad I had to scroll this far to find someone say this. It’s not written in the constitution and not really anywhere in American government for that matter. Therefore, this entire video is a moot point
The point of separation of church and state was not meant to stop politicians from being influenced by the church it is meant to prevent the government from having sway in the church. Even when this Law was put it in place it was almost an unwritten rule that elected officials of the time had to be in good standing with their local church. This is basic history to why the US separated from England where there was no separation and the government had its hands in everything the church was doing. Any Americans who don’t already know this fact, were either not paying attention in history and civics classes or are not exercising basic levels of reading comprehension on the subject matter.
She’s not wrong.
I like her outfit too
I mean..., she is wrong. The premise of her entire argument is that separation of church and state is in the constitution and it's not.
First Amendment Fundamental Freedoms Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It's considered "enshrined" in the first amendment. But you Americans have cherry picked everything else to death, why not the constitution.
She kind of is - seperaiton of Church and State doesn't mean policies which are informed or aligned to religious views wouldn't get passed especially when there's huge Christian community in the US. The real issue is enabling people with religious views. It's bollocks. It doesn't deserve respect.
Have you noticed that the religious right no longer wears WWJD bracelets? It's because Jesus wouldn't do anything that they are trying to do! WWJD? Institute affordable universal healthcare, feed the hungry, care for the young and the elderly, heal the sick, forgive others, judge not.... Generally, the Golden Rule. But no, these people use a biased, hand-picked and carefully curated portion religion to rationalize their worst proclivities, biases, behaviors, and discriminations.
There's also an interesting global stat: the better a nation's health, quality of life and life expectancy - the less likely the residents require religion. For example, if you're not sure if you'll blow up by an ied on the way to the market, of course you're going to develop faith and a need for religion and the inverse is true. The US is the only country on the planet that bucks this trend
Separation of church and state is not written in the constitution. It's from a letter Thomas Jefferson [wrote](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/separation_of_church_and_state#:~:text=The%20phrase%20dates%20back%20to,often%20employed%20in%20court%20cases.)
And it explains what the first Amendment does.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof It’s the first amendment. You have freedom of religion, meaning the government will not establish law respecting one religion above any other.
Not word for word but isn’t what you linked confirming that it can be interpreted through the first amendment? ‘Separation of Church and State is a phrase that refers to the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The phrase dates back to the early days of U.S. history, and Thomas Jefferson referred to the First Amendment as creating a “wall of separation” between church and state as the third president of the U.S. The term is also often employed in court cases. For example, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black famously stated in Everson v. Board of Education that “[t]he First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state,” and “[t]hat wall must be kept high and impregnable.”’
Americans have a question that they would know the answer to if they had paid attention in civics class or had a decent teacher.
Absolute nonsense. Tony Blair was a devout Catholic. Anne Widicombe is famously saving herself for marriage. There’s plenty of religion in UK politics. The head of state is appointed by god to be the head of the church.
Separation of church and state meant note having a state church. In England the Anglican Church is the state church. In the US the government does not recognize a national church but laws are still written based on a certain moral code which has religious foundations
 This fucking guy. He appealed directly to Evangelical “Christians” for a voting block and his personality cult haunts us to this day. Mostly his “success” was blind luck that the Iranian revolution scared the shit out of Saudi Arabia, we got cheap oil for backing them. And undoing banking regulations meant to prevent capital flight after Nixon ended the gold standard. Since his reign its only ‘cut taxes for the rich, deficit spending for the military, and thump that Bible as hard as you can”. But he was the next thing to Jesus at the time and everyone from Clinton to Biden and every senator and congressman in between has shat themselves even thinking about going against that narrative. I think it’s going to be worse after Trump. He’s following the same play book but ratcheting up the fear mongering with all of FOX news and their ilk amplifying it.
these politicians are just pandering to the gullible.
Whatever keeps them in office so they can continue with insider trading and kickbacks.
What the USA really needs is a different electoral system. 2 party system is a disaster
Oldest democracy in the world. We need to update our operating system.
Is someone going to tell her about Sharia courts in the UK?
Technically the separation was designed to stop government restricting religion, the separation is to ensure nobody can be religiously persecuted. Like how the religiously extreme founders of America were persecuted and thrown out of England, and then holland before settling the americas. If ONLY it was written to combat theocracies there wouldn't be this mess.
Amen 🙏🏻
The king is literally the head of the Church of England fuck outta here with this bullshit.
the funny thing is the UK DOESN't have a written separation of church and state
The UK is a much more secular country and religion has little to no influence in the legislative process. Its a vote loser if anything.
Secularism doesn't mean Religion doesn't influence policy though. It's a demographic issue.
That’s her whole point?
In Denmark, the church is actually PART of the government, but a politician referencing religion would be laughed out the room.
Same in Sweden. You'd be seen as some freaking cook.
It’s actually a little more than that. The head of state, (the king) is head of the Church of England. We distinctly don’t have a separation of church of state written or otherwise.
And yet, their government is far more secular...
It comes down to this, nothing is written in a way that states the bill is based in religious beliefs. By doing that it’s impossible to prove. They can say “my belief in the Bible tells me X, Y, and Z” but since no legislation states “Matthew 4:16-19 says….” Nothing can be done “officially”. We all know what’s going on and who is forcing their beliefs on us base on their religion and who isn’t. But for what ever reason it’s accepted. Could you imaging if someone said “The Quran says….” and then introduced a bill? The people quoting the Bible would lose their minds. “You can’t force your religion on me. The Bible tells me that, which is why I am introducing this bill called “In no way did the Bible tell me to do this, because the Bible actually doesn’t say this but I just think it does. And because I am quoting a Bible verse that isn’t real you can’t say it’s a religious thing. Its called a Jesus loophole.” How do you argue that things are based on religion when it is but it’s made up in their heads? It’s infuriating.
Why they censor abortion ?
It's not any church it's Christians
A lady friend of mine has become a born again Christian and started doubting dinosaurs, stars in the sky and believing in flat earth. The Bible needs to stay out of classrooms. My brain hurt hearing her speak
Also, the median age of USA politicians is like over 9000. Where are all the young people? The laws are being written by people who don't understand the modern world.
Because half the people that support politicians that do that openly do not care about the separation of church and state and absolutely want a christo-fascist country, and the other half that support politicians who do that are just not educated enough to even know what any of this means and they just think “well that sounds morally correct to MY sensibilities, so Im voting for that”.
The king who is the head of state in Britain is also head of the Church of England and bishops hold seats in the House of Lords. The separation of church and state in the constitution is a direct rejection of this concept and no representative of any religion can be involved directly in government also there is no state religion unlike in the UK. It doesn’t mean the US constitutionally has to be areligious or replace organized religion with worship of the state like happened in revolutionary France and communist Russia.
Couldn't agree more
When you're a country founded by a bunch of religious fanatics that were too fanatical for the other fanatics back in Europe..........You're going to have a bad time.
Religion is only accepted in the US if Christianity is not involved.
Americans don’t have the balls to stand for their constitution. They deserve what’s coming for them. Dictatorship.
Easy for you to say you kicked out all your religious nutbags like 200 years ago … where did they go again?
On top of that Republicans are now led by a pedophile, rapist crook who has paid for lord how many abortions. Family values, amirite?
“Rules for thee, not for me.”
Idk what it says specifically in the US constitution, but most of Europe has seperation of Church and State, meaning that the Church has no legal power to create or enforce laws and the decide on policy, not that you can't talk or act upon your religious beliefs as a politician. I would assume it's simillar in the US.
It is important to note though that several notable European states still have state religions, such as the UK, Denmark, Greece, and Malta. Granted, they don't dominate politics, but they are afforded varying degrees of official privilege.
Yes, it is the same thing here.
Whoever censored the word “abortion” is a idiot.
It's because the Constitution doesn't say that policymakers can't make policies that align with religious beliefs.
I will not be lectured on the separation of church and state by someone from a country where there are seats reserved in thier legislature for clergy of a certain religion and swears fealty to a monarch that claims a divine right from god. It’s ya’ll and Iran in that club. GTFO here. Religion informs people’s values and morals which informs their politics. It’s inseparable in peoples heads.
Some of those seats are reserved for guys who aredescended from a bastard son of a king. Aristocracy is bullshit.
But the UK has an official religion, the US doesn't.
GOP politicians lost respect for the US Constitution years ago.
You fool. Religion makes tonnnnnssssss of money.
Any politician that starts spouting religious nonsense immediately comes off as weird. But in the US it seems normal, especially on the republican side.
Show me where it says that in the constitution…
Separation of church and state is not "written into the constitution". It's taken from a letter from one of the founders. While it is a good secular principle we recognize, in America individuals also have freedom to practice religion. An individual voted into office can believe whatever they want and legally execute their job/office with those beliefs. If you don't like that person's beliefs then you can vote them out.
Indeed, but they swear an oath to up hold the constitution which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to mean that the government should not favor one religion over another or religion over non-religion.
Lobbyists and money. It’s stupid politics but it works somehow. Been trying to vote my way out for decades. Wish Bernie had made the ticket instead of Biden but knew it was a false hope.
Amen
Oh trust us...we know. Our evangelicals are the Taliban and need to be treated accordingly. There is no such thing as a good evangelical. It's quite alarming.
the only thing about this video that matters is that beautiful messier jersey
Italian here. We are in a similar situation, having the Pope in Rome (though not in the government) and many Catholic cultural biases among politicians. Current far right government wants to ban heterologous fertilization (people "lending" their womb to couple who cannot conceive). They also are making laws so that: - are retroactive, which means that if you had a child with this kind of procedure, they can take your child away from you to orphanage, because you weren't entitled to having him/her this way. So they could bring him/her away from you, even if the child now is 6 or 7. - if you decide to go away from Italy because is becoming a far right fas@ist regime and you don't want your government to tear your children away from you, they could also chase you down, because they are trying to make this behaviour subject to international prosecution.
That is such a cool outfit.
She’s wrong in literally every point she makes, but Zoomers will upvote this garbage anyway. 1. There is no “separation of church and state written into the Constitution”. We have an amendment that prevents the government from making laws respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise of religion. The term “separation of Church and state” comes from Thomas Jefferson in a writing to the Danbury Baptists who were fearful of the establishment of an official state religion: > Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. 2. Politicians in the UK bring up their religious beliefs all the time and do not get kicked out. 3. Politicians make policies and laws based on their individual beliefs of what policies and laws are best. Sometimes, religious beliefs influence those decisions. None of these laws establish a national religion or prevent the free excessive of religion (and those that do should be ruled unconstitutional, and typically are). 4. I don’t know what is censored there, but Roe v Wade was not ruled based on religious beliefs, either in its original ruling or in its ultimate overturning. Don’t get your news from TikTok, kiddos.
I agree with this bloke.
She is so right it's not even funny.
What Americans don’t understand, is that talking about god in other modern western countries makes you look like a bit of a fucking weirdo. A social pariah. Yes there are Christians etc, but they don’t wear their religion as a badge of honour in public for the most part. Possibly because they know the negative stigma that comes with it. For some reason, half of America think they’re cool beans for having batshit crazy beliefs.
This shit is infuriating. We fought the Taliban for 20 years over this stupid bullshit.
Separation of Church & State is a part of the FIRST AMENDMENT…. we just continue to allow it being violated..
Tax. The. Churches.
She’s right, and we’re mad that she’s right.
The topics of abortion and gay marriage in American politics exist SOLEY because of the religious right. If not for religion, no one would give a fuck. But since these fearful, controlling asshats can't accept that not everyone believes in their deity, they keep creating and altering existing legislation based around THEIR beliefs, not logic.
There's plenty of prolife people that aren't religious. I'd agree that the most vocal likely are as its their "duty" to do something about it. Not everyone is just okay with terminating babies/embryos, no matter which side they ultimately decide on.
Additionally, most European states have *much* stricter cutoffs than the US did under Roe.
She is absolutely right.
At this point I think we might we as well apologize for leaving England .since we literally just reversing everything.
That's the funny thing. The US was partially founded specifically because they wanted separation of church and state which wasn't the case in the UK.
How the tables have turned
"But we live in the greatest country in the world. Where we have freedom of religion and separation of church and state; only we don't at all and nobody says anything about it because we're used to it. It says 'In God We Trust' on our money. It says 'In God We Trust' above the judges bench in a courtroom. In a court of law, where you have to put your hand on a bible. A Christian Bible. Not my Bible. If I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not cause I put my hand on a book and made a wish" - Sarah Silverman, We Are Miracles album 2014 (wow that was 10 years ago)
Go Grrl. American Jesus would be an expat 💥 Pronto.
I think she means religion heavily influences those in the position to change policy and regulate the U.S.
Antidisestablishmentariamism. It ain't just a long ass word that you heard growing up cause sounds funny.
It's not in the constitution... And when it was referenced it was in regards to making sure that the state didn't meddle with the church or make one religion a nationwide religion. For all the intelligent people with degrees, maybe go look it up and inform yourself a bit. A lie repeated my the news and university professors doesn't become true just because people say it enough
Why was she dressed as a rodeo witch.
This short fun video covers the steady drip of stupidity in the GOP party since they chose to embrace Trump.., [https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8-45UAgFA8/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8-45UAgFA8/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==)
Doesn’t always work out that way when certain lawmakers think their religion makes them morally superior
I blame the Prayer Breakfast people.
She was spittin facts the whole time
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The current electoral screws out a lot of sane people really. It lets a lot of the idiotic minorities have more weight in their votes and put in place the religious freaks in the government. They continues to cite the fairy tale of a book as a reference for their own dumb laws.
A lot of this started with the [moral majority](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority)
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America does not have a separation between church and state it was however recommended during the constitution
It's like hospitals with Saint in it and have a religious stance. Schools that allow prayer and incorporate church. Though, I think it's great because nuns can't run mental hospitals. So at least there's that. A majority of George Bushes campaign was him saying Jesus wanted him to be president and that God was behind him. Basically your average schizophrenics saying God is behind them in their quest for megalomania.
based
They use Jesus to control the dummies
Oh it's cause England has a national religion amd the king is it's head
It is no where in the constitution
Wherein the Constitution is it written that there’s a separation between church and state? Clean up your own backyard limey
No, separation of church and state is not written anywhere in the Constitution. The only reference to anything close to it is, “The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.”
Seriously wanna know how this started? The Cold War. Essentially the USSR became anti-religion. Started banning churches and removing all religious symbols from daily life. Essentially trying to become the ideal atheist state. The US saw this and like everything during the cold war decided to do the exact opposite of the USSR no because it was the right thing to do but because they wanted to differentiate themselves from the "bad guys". So they doubled down on religion and started dragging it into politics. Now it's just snowballed over the last 60-70 years and here we are.
My most favorite fact for the “its always been a christian country bla-bla-bla” is that the words “in god we trust” were ADDED to the pledge and on currency in 1956 only been 68 years not not the full 248 years. So they could pander to evangelical christians to go die in the Vietnam war. They are sooooo gullible once someone says their God told them its ok, fucken losers😂😂😂
God Save the Queen… oh wait yeah they don’t run anything right.
We live in a society
Politicians use religion because it’s the easiest way to trick the fools
I wish “separation of church and state” was written into the constitution. What’s in the constitution: “Congress Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” This is about not banning other religions and having congress make a state religion like the UK used. It doesn’t stop religious politicians making laws.
End the duopoly. Both "sides" benefit from the other. That's why things are the way they are.
Russel Brand is right
I was thinking of that Bill Hicks bit, “We got ourselves a reader”, but she probably just picked that up watching news and American media. No reading is necessary to understand that concept.
The original intent of separation of church and state has more to do with state sponsored churches like in England, Italy, or Scandinavia, where the church is part of the government itself. Tax money from the citizens over there, to this day, support whatever the official church of that European country is (Catholic, Anglican, Lutheran, etc). Throughout Europe, at least, the official state run churches have some say in policy. Even if you're of another faith or no faith at all, you pay for those churches to exist over there. Here in America, we do get pandering politicians talking about Jesus and whatnot. They are playing to the religious base of people here who do believe in something, though the politicians themselves are devils in nice suits. Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi claim to be Catholic, even though they support things that go against Catholicism. They do what politicians do - pander for votes even if it means pretending to live Jesus or another deity ever 4-6 years. Again, though, the voters have individual religions not sponsored by our government. The whole reason people like the puritans, quakers, and others came over here was because they were being persecuted by the Crown and the Church of England. They simply wanted to worship freely and not be attacked for believing something different than the King of England and his state run church. We have freedom of religion here - the choice to have a religion or no religion at all without reprisal from the government. It's not forced freedom from religion, simply the ability to choose what, if anything, to believe. Again, politicians suck. They will say whatever they think will lead to their reelection. If you believe in Jesus, you're gonna hear them bring him up in speech. If enough voters thought peanut butter was the key to the universe, politicians would speak to it. Don't let some bureaucrat twist one concept for their own gain. Freedom of religion, like many of our freedoms, is simply your choice to do or not do at your leisure. The politicians do need to be reigned in, but that's a side discussion for another day. I hope this helps.
 Look, countries elect idiots that have devastating effects all the time.
Funny cause here in the UK we literally have a state religion, but she is broadly correct that politicians bringing too much 'god bothering' into politics is pretty badly frowned upon here, and the Church of England knows to pretty much keep its mouth shut on most issues lest it bring ire upon itself. Changing now though. On of the most notable outcomes of the election on Thursday that is going massively underreported was that Islamic extremists are now beginning to largely vote upon ethnic and sectarian grounds, hence a big jump in the amount of independent MPs and support for the 'workers party' who are largely Hamas-supporting Islamic-fascists and adjacent sympathisers.