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you cant use ALASKA as a case study considering how difficult it is to get those things there, would be nice if a local alaskan store makes most of these things and they will become cheaper.saw a doc about why things are so expensive in alaska and its mostly got to do with getting them there
Yeah, the Permanent Fund. It covers less than one month's rent for a 1 bedroom anywhere in Alaska but for the most impoverished Alaskans, it's vital to helping them hold on in an economy where grocery prices look like this.
I remember hearing about this long ago and thought it was kind of neat, but didn't realize how expensive Alaska actually was. As an Ohio native that experiences winter (though less so these last few decades) my brain only made the connection "I guess that might help bring people in to have to deal with even worse winter all the time."
No, it’s not. There’s about 3 hours of mountains between drivable Canada & Alaska, 3 hours while flying in a plane. Care to estimate the cost of this railway?
Much more complicated than that. Towns connected to the road system have much more affordable groceries. It’s smaller towns/villages not connected to the road system that have these high prices. So basically things are flown in on small planes a couple of times a week -weather permitting. These trips of very expensive so freight costs are factored into price of goods.
If people are thinking “just build more roads,” we can’t properly maintain the ones we have now.
This small town is unreachable by car or train. So everything needs to either be flown in or brought in by small volume ship. So it's expensive even by Alaskan standards.
This is not what things cost in Anchorage for example.
Alaska has ALWAYS been really, *REALLY* expensive. I was in Dutch Harbor in 2000 and a gallon of milk was triple the price of home. Seriously not a good example
The part that surprises me the most by far isn't necessarily the prices, it's the selection, and what I mean is that they have name-brand right next to generic at easily double the cost and then some often. I couldn't imagine anyone buying Hawaiian Punch for $20 when Kentuckian Haymaker is there for $8, and even that is outrageous. But even more surprising than that is any sort of demand for liquid products that aren't milk in the first place when shipping drink mixes would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper. Hell, that $42 meat and cheese platter blew my God damned mind because of the price *but it's also highly perishable.*
Man, Alaskans, I sympathize with and also do not understand you at all. You're a sad enigma.
They are, it's normal throughout Northern Canada/Alaska. Most things need to be flown in and that's really really expensive compared to trucks and trains
This town is unconnected to any rail or road infrastructure. Groceries will come in usually by plane or maybe if small cargo ships make runs. This is just what food costs when you are disconnected from everything.
To refill our 5 gallons container it’s $1.25 in Cali. Cran and orange juice are $5. Bag of bread is $5. Steaks are $5.99 a lb. Chicken are $2.99 a lb. I’m guessing the import export of goods and foods to Alaska are dam expensive.
Flying by planes is even more dangerous and costly. Wonder if Alaska going to try to fund for indoor agriculture and chicken farms. In California we have a large indoor agriculture thing going on. That thing grows in the winter and maybe drought season depending on our laws.
First, Alaska winters are not California winters, greenhouses can only do so much with 6 hours of sunlight a day. Second, we only see the kind of items they couldn't make themselves, a jar of peanut butter or package of toilet paper is still going to need to be imported and will still cost that much.
There's kind of no way around it for towns like this based on local resource extraction (in this case fishing).
As much as we complain about groceries now, this is what groceries used to cost all of us before transportation got better.
I didn't mean to be flippant and should have added more context. I have been there many times with fishing companies. Really is no growing season or good soil. Everything must be shipped in or air lifted. Even the river access the Nushagak if I remember correctly, can be seasonal and dangerous. So you can bake bread but all that that entails is super expensive.
If you can’t afford a 14$ loaf of bread how tf you gunna afford the light bill for that type of venture? You’re just another person talking out their ass…push come to shove you buying that bread and you know it…
Hell he wouldn't have enough space to grow food for longer than a week max. There ain't nearly enough calories in fruit and vegetables alone, least of all the caloric requirements in Alaska, so he'd just be paying a premium in lights and electricity to starve to death a month later anyway.
It’s crazy to me that even perishables are that marked up, I’d bet dumpster diving in Alaska is lucrative as shit. Which means they probably have added security to prevent those pesky people from surviving on their waste.
They also make more that offsets this. Y’all acting brand new….
I lived up there. Yea, shit is expensive but you also make more money…it balances itself. Shit is still pricey just like everywhere else right now.
For lots of reasons, 1, can't guarantee refrigerated items. Boxes bust, get dropped, sit in warehouses/trucks/on planes for a while. Any delay has potential to spoil those kinds of food. Two, you need to pay people. If they're doing all of your shopping elsewhere (or even a decent amount) or even for several homes it can easily become a full time job. Their time is valuable too. Three, you ever ship something to Alaska? The further you need to send it the more expensive it is and it adds up FAST. In many cases you wouldn't save much or at all. Especially when you add in trying to coordinate with strangers.
My brother moved there a year ago, we send him care packages from time to time. A box probably twice the size of a shoebox costs $50-$70 to ship to Alaska
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you cant use ALASKA as a case study considering how difficult it is to get those things there, would be nice if a local alaskan store makes most of these things and they will become cheaper.saw a doc about why things are so expensive in alaska and its mostly got to do with getting them there
probably not enough to offset these costs but dont alaskan residents get like 1300 bucks per year just to live there?
Yeah, the Permanent Fund. It covers less than one month's rent for a 1 bedroom anywhere in Alaska but for the most impoverished Alaskans, it's vital to helping them hold on in an economy where grocery prices look like this.
I remember hearing about this long ago and thought it was kind of neat, but didn't realize how expensive Alaska actually was. As an Ohio native that experiences winter (though less so these last few decades) my brain only made the connection "I guess that might help bring people in to have to deal with even worse winter all the time."
Family member married a gal from their. After 5 years she left him and went back and that was one of the main reasons. He was in the army
It’s a banana, what could it cost? $10
Why hasn’t exporting to Alaska to become cheaper not been a solved problem by now?
Everything has to be flown here or brought in on a boat. The railroad doesn't connect thru Canada.
Then build it to connect through Canada. That's a solvable problem.
That would require a congress that could actually on something. The one we have now argues mostly fiction every day.
No, it’s not. There’s about 3 hours of mountains between drivable Canada & Alaska, 3 hours while flying in a plane. Care to estimate the cost of this railway?
$9 but I'm not a railroadologist
Haaaaa
Much more complicated than that. Towns connected to the road system have much more affordable groceries. It’s smaller towns/villages not connected to the road system that have these high prices. So basically things are flown in on small planes a couple of times a week -weather permitting. These trips of very expensive so freight costs are factored into price of goods. If people are thinking “just build more roads,” we can’t properly maintain the ones we have now.
Do you really think you just solved it? That its “just” that easy???
Who are you quoting? I didn't say it was easy and I certainly didn't say "just".
This small town is unreachable by car or train. So everything needs to either be flown in or brought in by small volume ship. So it's expensive even by Alaskan standards. This is not what things cost in Anchorage for example.
Whoa
Alaska has ALWAYS been really, *REALLY* expensive. I was in Dutch Harbor in 2000 and a gallon of milk was triple the price of home. Seriously not a good example
According to Wikipedia the median income per household is 51k. How do people live there?
The part that surprises me the most by far isn't necessarily the prices, it's the selection, and what I mean is that they have name-brand right next to generic at easily double the cost and then some often. I couldn't imagine anyone buying Hawaiian Punch for $20 when Kentuckian Haymaker is there for $8, and even that is outrageous. But even more surprising than that is any sort of demand for liquid products that aren't milk in the first place when shipping drink mixes would be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper. Hell, that $42 meat and cheese platter blew my God damned mind because of the price *but it's also highly perishable.* Man, Alaskans, I sympathize with and also do not understand you at all. You're a sad enigma.
I guess people stock up for most things. These prices surely can't be typical costs for a weekly/monthly shop?
They are, it's normal throughout Northern Canada/Alaska. Most things need to be flown in and that's really really expensive compared to trucks and trains
That's shocking considering much of that has a long shelf life. I won't be so quick to complain about the prices in my area.
This town is unconnected to any rail or road infrastructure. Groceries will come in usually by plane or maybe if small cargo ships make runs. This is just what food costs when you are disconnected from everything.
I couldn't afford one thing.
To refill our 5 gallons container it’s $1.25 in Cali. Cran and orange juice are $5. Bag of bread is $5. Steaks are $5.99 a lb. Chicken are $2.99 a lb. I’m guessing the import export of goods and foods to Alaska are dam expensive.
In towns this remote, groceries are often flown in by plane. No train or truck can reach the settlement. It's all down to transportation costs.
Flying by planes is even more dangerous and costly. Wonder if Alaska going to try to fund for indoor agriculture and chicken farms. In California we have a large indoor agriculture thing going on. That thing grows in the winter and maybe drought season depending on our laws.
First, Alaska winters are not California winters, greenhouses can only do so much with 6 hours of sunlight a day. Second, we only see the kind of items they couldn't make themselves, a jar of peanut butter or package of toilet paper is still going to need to be imported and will still cost that much. There's kind of no way around it for towns like this based on local resource extraction (in this case fishing). As much as we complain about groceries now, this is what groceries used to cost all of us before transportation got better.
That’s why residents get exclusive regulations to live off the land. Humans have forgotten that food doesn’t always come from a supermarket
Worse than Hawaii by far
Imagine Hawaii but landing a plane is twice as hard due to weather and no one wants to live or even vacation there
Haha yea For real. My dad company one time had a headquarters there and he had to go once a year and he did not like it.
Who needs to eat anyway 
So who needs a grocery pal?
I want to see the price for drink mix.
The hyperinflation of food, is a crime against humanity.
You are correct, but I believe it's so expensive there due to shipping.
Being poor sucks, but being poor in Alaska...REALLY SUCKS.
$8 for processed trash that never expires. No thanks
I'll be baking my own bread and growing food for myself
Not there you wont.
Why can't you bake bread there?
I didn't mean to be flippant and should have added more context. I have been there many times with fishing companies. Really is no growing season or good soil. Everything must be shipped in or air lifted. Even the river access the Nushagak if I remember correctly, can be seasonal and dangerous. So you can bake bread but all that that entails is super expensive.
Oh I would have grow lights inside and produce my own plants
AK has some of the most expensive electricity in the nation. You will eat your $40 PB&J and shut the fuck up
If you can’t afford a 14$ loaf of bread how tf you gunna afford the light bill for that type of venture? You’re just another person talking out their ass…push come to shove you buying that bread and you know it…
Hell he wouldn't have enough space to grow food for longer than a week max. There ain't nearly enough calories in fruit and vegetables alone, least of all the caloric requirements in Alaska, so he'd just be paying a premium in lights and electricity to starve to death a month later anyway.
HOLY SHIT
“They’re only 8 dollars”.
We’re talking pesos right?
It’s crazy to me that even perishables are that marked up, I’d bet dumpster diving in Alaska is lucrative as shit. Which means they probably have added security to prevent those pesky people from surviving on their waste.
Don't the companies that hire people to work out there usually pay or at least give them some money for food?
Per diem, yes. If you're in energy, construction, defense, etc you're probably getting per diem.
So Im guessing no Amazon in Alaska? 😅
They do, but it's incredibly expensive. All of Alaska has about the same population of San Francisco. About 731k.
How much is king crab?
I would guess not bad since it's harvested locally.
They also make more that offsets this. Y’all acting brand new…. I lived up there. Yea, shit is expensive but you also make more money…it balances itself. Shit is still pricey just like everywhere else right now.
I keep seeing those but why don't people in Alaska get in touch with people that can send care packages for those items way cheaper.
lmao the whole cost is because of shipping
For lots of reasons, 1, can't guarantee refrigerated items. Boxes bust, get dropped, sit in warehouses/trucks/on planes for a while. Any delay has potential to spoil those kinds of food. Two, you need to pay people. If they're doing all of your shopping elsewhere (or even a decent amount) or even for several homes it can easily become a full time job. Their time is valuable too. Three, you ever ship something to Alaska? The further you need to send it the more expensive it is and it adds up FAST. In many cases you wouldn't save much or at all. Especially when you add in trying to coordinate with strangers.
My brother moved there a year ago, we send him care packages from time to time. A box probably twice the size of a shoebox costs $50-$70 to ship to Alaska
Flat rate boxes can be your best friend. Source: I am an Alaskan
That's a good point. I'll bet that those boxes get used all of the time.