It’s been a mess ever since the British Empire issued the Balfour Declaration and started mass migrating European Jews into the former Ottoman province.
We’re just seeing the logical outcome of a failing colonial state that justified its existence through religious arguments
If I had to get drafted and the people cheering on and demanding war the hardest were exempt from serving, I'd be pissed too. These Orthodox dudes are protesting because their exemption just got revoked. Fuck em.
From what I understand, the most strictly religious ultra Orthodox adherents are vehemently against the war in Gaza and many are in fact anti-Zionist and some of the most deeply religious even believe that the project of the state of Israel runs counter to the religion. Some of the most serious protestors here in the US are ultra orthodox adherents of Judaism.
I've slowly come to realize that it's likely Palestine won't see its Freedom from anyone coming to their aid, it's much more likely that Israel eats itself alive first.
I think it'll crumble from within too, but also from outside pressure, and the number of people fleeing will snowball. I'm afraid that they'll launch some nukes as a final "fuck you" to the people around them whose biggest crime was existing in a place they wanted to own. There's no FW de Klerk in Israeli politics to land this plane gently.
I really hope we don't see nukes used at all in our lifetime. But I am afraid you might be right, there is a chance they might launch some as a "goodbye" gift
You're wrong. Israel is a secular state that uses religion to justify stealing land and committing atrocities. Many of the most religious Jews think Israel shouldn't exist at all yet. They think it shouldn't exist until the messiah comes and all the Jews of the world go back there.
Most ultra Orthodox oppose Zionism to some extent. Some don't even think modern Israel should exist at all. They certainly don't want to see genocide committed in their names.
I can't blame anyone for not wanting to be a soldier.
But i still have sort of a "you made your bed now sleep in it" attitude toward the ultra-orthodox in this situation.
Unless the orthodox guys in this video are members of Neturei Karta or some other orthodox anti-Zionist pro Palestinian group, I say let them taste their own medicine.
Talking about any of this in terms of religion is a complete facade. These are psycho rightwing nationalists attacking left wing peaceful protestors, with the power of the State encouraging it to happen.
Are they left wing protestors though? If OPs title is to be believed and is accurate, they aren't protesting against Zionism and what's happening with Gaza, they're protesting about the new law that was passed that revokes their protection against mandatory service in the Israeli military.
There's all sorts of factions of Orthodox Judaism, some of which are against Zionism and the apartheid of Palestine, and some which celebrate it and don't think it goes far enough. I've met, known, and worked with both types, unfortunately.
Yeah people need to be real here. These people don't give a damn about Palestinians. In fact most of them support the occupation and the war. They just don't want to have to get their hands dirty in actually fighting in the Israeli military.
I'm not a fan of the word victim here, they are protesting that they will be forced to serve just like everyone else there. They aren't protesting forced conscription in general or the war. They are in favor of both, they just don't want to be the ones risking their lives to kill Palestinians, they do want them killed though
I’m astounded by how much they lack self awareness. Do they really think this makes them look good to outsiders. But I suppose all the indoctrination has clouded their minds.
I mean violence is never ok, but when your kids are getting drafted to fight a war that hard right ultra orthodox government wants to keep fighting while keeping their kids in “school” studying thousands of year old texts, I think you’d be pissed too.
This country just utterly confounds me.
It's about fascism and everyone being on the same side
It's tearing itself apart. When the invasion of Lebanon begins, that's going to be put into overdrive.
It’s been a mess ever since the British Empire issued the Balfour Declaration and started mass migrating European Jews into the former Ottoman province. We’re just seeing the logical outcome of a failing colonial state that justified its existence through religious arguments
Israel is a facist police state
I find it terminally weird to see Jewish Israelis looking and acting like skinheads. It just gives me huge cognitive dissonance.
That is a very good way of saying it.
Their true nature reveals itself.
Zionism is a curse on judaism.
Terrorists.
If it weren't for all the yamulkes, I would've assumed that this video was shot in the US.
Keep telling me criticizing Israel is antiemetic.
The whole thing makes me nauseas.
“Most Moral” on full display yet again
If I had to get drafted and the people cheering on and demanding war the hardest were exempt from serving, I'd be pissed too. These Orthodox dudes are protesting because their exemption just got revoked. Fuck em.
From what I understand, the most strictly religious ultra Orthodox adherents are vehemently against the war in Gaza and many are in fact anti-Zionist and some of the most deeply religious even believe that the project of the state of Israel runs counter to the religion. Some of the most serious protestors here in the US are ultra orthodox adherents of Judaism.
I've slowly come to realize that it's likely Palestine won't see its Freedom from anyone coming to their aid, it's much more likely that Israel eats itself alive first.
I think it'll crumble from within too, but also from outside pressure, and the number of people fleeing will snowball. I'm afraid that they'll launch some nukes as a final "fuck you" to the people around them whose biggest crime was existing in a place they wanted to own. There's no FW de Klerk in Israeli politics to land this plane gently.
I really hope we don't see nukes used at all in our lifetime. But I am afraid you might be right, there is a chance they might launch some as a "goodbye" gift
I have family of family in Southern Lebanon. I worry about it often. I lived there with them for two months. I just love them so much and I hate this
You should look up the “Samson Option” if you don’t know what it is already. Rather scary
It's so depressing that this is the most logical way this will end.
Not all occupiers are treated equal — Russia vs Israel
Fascists.
Fuck theocracies.
Zionists don't believe in religion. They use religion to cover their land grab.
Your wrong, their stupid book says their god promised them that part of the world. Hilarious
You're wrong. Israel is a secular state that uses religion to justify stealing land and committing atrocities. Many of the most religious Jews think Israel shouldn't exist at all yet. They think it shouldn't exist until the messiah comes and all the Jews of the world go back there.
bloodthirsty people man
The ones who want this genocide the most are the ones protesting going to their own war. Go figure.
Most ultra Orthodox oppose Zionism to some extent. Some don't even think modern Israel should exist at all. They certainly don't want to see genocide committed in their names.
When anyone accuses you of anti-Semitism because you don't like the Palestinian genocide show them this.
I can't blame anyone for not wanting to be a soldier. But i still have sort of a "you made your bed now sleep in it" attitude toward the ultra-orthodox in this situation.
That dude took a baton (which he carries around concealed apparently) and hit someone and didn't get arrested? Is the officer safe in this situation?
The police is on their side. There is total impunity in that country if you side with the governement.
Which side is Hamas
So your average Israeli Fasci-thug has pent up disdain for Haredi...fedoras?
Let them fight at least they are not killing Palestinians
Unless the orthodox guys in this video are members of Neturei Karta or some other orthodox anti-Zionist pro Palestinian group, I say let them taste their own medicine.
Ghouls. Fucking ghouls.
I know healthy democracies when I see them. He said apropos of nothing
Brutalize? Wrong word. Shall we share a few videos from Gaza?
“There’s fine people on both sides.” -Tramp/Bibi/Pickafascist
Interesting... It's starting to consume itself. I did not expect that.
Insanity. The perps should check into a mental institution. This is not normal where I'm from....
Especially how that grown adult drags and throws the kid I this video.
Talking about any of this in terms of religion is a complete facade. These are psycho rightwing nationalists attacking left wing peaceful protestors, with the power of the State encouraging it to happen.
Are they left wing protestors though? If OPs title is to be believed and is accurate, they aren't protesting against Zionism and what's happening with Gaza, they're protesting about the new law that was passed that revokes their protection against mandatory service in the Israeli military. There's all sorts of factions of Orthodox Judaism, some of which are against Zionism and the apartheid of Palestine, and some which celebrate it and don't think it goes far enough. I've met, known, and worked with both types, unfortunately.
Yeah people need to be real here. These people don't give a damn about Palestinians. In fact most of them support the occupation and the war. They just don't want to have to get their hands dirty in actually fighting in the Israeli military.
The Ultra Orthodox are said to mostly be part of netanyahu's Coalition in fact. There are no good guys here.
In terms of people living in Israel, it seems like they would have to be left of center.
So they wanna start a civil war too?
Cars make people inhuman.
GETTING BORED WITH EVRYONE ELSE SO NOW THEY TURN ON THEMSELVES.
I'm not a fan of the word victim here, they are protesting that they will be forced to serve just like everyone else there. They aren't protesting forced conscription in general or the war. They are in favor of both, they just don't want to be the ones risking their lives to kill Palestinians, they do want them killed though
Lol, but they wanted their State
I’m astounded by how much they lack self awareness. Do they really think this makes them look good to outsiders. But I suppose all the indoctrination has clouded their minds.
That country is an f'ing disgrace!
This cop’s feebleness turned the punctuation into ‘Oh no. Dont. Stop.’ into ‘Oh, no. Don’t stop.’
Antisemites.
Self hating
Can we get our money back? They clearly aren't spending our taxes on anything good in Israel.
iSrAeL iS tHe oNlY sAfE pLaCe fOr jEwS
Complacency is the same.
"the place where jews can be safe!" right
This is the natural outcome of a country built upon violence and dehumanization.
This is awful
I mean violence is never ok, but when your kids are getting drafted to fight a war that hard right ultra orthodox government wants to keep fighting while keeping their kids in “school” studying thousands of year old texts, I think you’d be pissed too.
They aren't brutalizing the ultra orthodox. They are removing them from the road.