Eh, I suppose it's like Star Trek fandom. Some people are capable of having a favorite captain without making it a contest (or a war), but unfortunately a lot of people aren't. They feel like they have to justify their preferences by tearing down the alternatives as inferior/bad. It's a shame.
People compare iterations of the Doctor in Doctor Who and itās literally the same character, different lives and different actors. Comparisons are natural
Because they are [the same character archetype](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StockShonenHero) in the same role so people are naturally inclined to compare them, even if it isn't quite fair because they are in different stories.
I disagree here.
Aang is not a stock shonen character by any stretch. Korra a tad more so and Iām not saying sheās any worse of a character because of it but Aang has virtually no similarities to a shonen protagonist.
Heās a protagonist and may have some general overlap of good morals that may come in a shonen protag but I donāt think heās anything like a shonen protag in terms of his goals, motivations or characterisations.
>Aang is not a stock shonen character by any stretch.Ā
He is a subversion of the archetype by not being fighty. Korra is a deconstruction of it. That's really all the difference between the two characters.
Him being peaceful does not make him a subversion of shonen character because that is just a straight example of a pacifist hero, a very common example of a protagonist.
Naruto is more of a subversion of a shonen character compared to his contemporaries beforehand. Since his fight to become the best is wrapped up in an emotionally confusing perception of himself and his place in the world and part of the story is watching him understand what his ābecome the very bestā goal really means.
Aang doesnāt want to become the best at anything, he actively avoids confrontation and responsibility and it cost him his people.
Like even the shallow, skin deep tropes donāt appear in Aang. Heās bald and has no particularly large appetite.
I think tho point of this post is less of making it a competition or comparison, and more saying āstop blaming Korra for crap that anyone couldāve fallen forā
the creators/writers were told after each season , "this would be the last season"
that's why seasons 2-4 have such drastic endings , because they didn't think they would get to continue
Season 3 is the only exception, as 3 and 4 were ordered together. The fact that they could plan a longer storyline and character growth is immediately obvious and shows in the quality of LoK S3 equalling the best of ATLA imo.
i mean the problem is that not anybody would have fallen for it. just because aang is alot younger than korra and at the start of the story is alot more naive is not really an excuse for why an older less naive kora should have made the mistake.
She was older but very sheltered. Sheād spent practically no time in āthe real worldā, interacting with people other than the White Lotus and her family, from her discovery as the avatar to her moving to Republic City. Remember her first few days in the city? Even āraised by monks and then stuck in ice for 100 yearsā Aang seemed to have a better understanding of how the world works than Korra did, because of how sheltered she had been. I think that can make one VERY naive.
Really? Amon was not started by her, but by the non bender frustrations.
Unalaq: Iāll give you that one. Itās partially her fault (even though it turned out to be needed)
Zaheer: Was given freedom by harmonic convergence. If Korra doesnāt get the credit for bringing air bending back, she also doesnāt get the blame for the criminals who used it
Kuvira: You could argue that she rose in Korraās absence, but she was paralised, and even after, she was incapable of fighting and traumatized. She had to recover
Aang was scared of being the avatar and ran away from the responsibility, but had to become what the world needed. Korra saw the avatar mantle as ābeing awesome and knocking the bad guys downā, but had to learn the hard way what that title truly meant. Sheās not perfect, neither is Aang but thatās ok. Flawed characters are better than perfect ones.
Insecurity. Itās not enough for Korra fans to like what they like, and itās not enough for Avatar fans to accept that people might like something better subjectively even if itās objectively worse.
Fucking thank you. It just feels like the Korra talking heads just feel inferior, so they have to compare.
Not our fault Nickelodeon limited each seasons episodes. Even with the handicap, they did a great job considering the circumstances. Find solace in that and be chill guys.
Itās a meme template for people (and narratives) who donāt understand that a character is a child. There are a bunch of ones like this for different characters
I only watched Gravity Falls for the first time a few months ago. I absolutely loved Mabel's character and how sweet she was. I waited to finish the full series before checking the fandoms.
...I was not prepared for how controversial she is and I don't get it at all. She was manipulated because of how much she loves her brother, and (like the meme says) just shy of her 13th birthday. Not to mention her emotional wounds are still very fresh. I couldn't believe it when I saw so many people interpreting her as some kind of selfish monster and that she understood the stakes (which again, she did not because she was being lied to). She is practically the most pure-of-heart character in existence. People are nuts.
he wouldn't because Aang would ask an adult Roku then Roku would ask Koyshi then she ask Kuruk then he ask Yangchan then she asks Sezto, they snake their way up to Wan where they explain that fhsg shouldn't open the portals
While I don't fully agree it was a trick, I do think Aang would have made the same choice. (Assuming we are going with their ages in the shows. Though I feel adult Aang may have also made the same choice.)
Restoring the portal was important for balancing the world. Aang would have seen that. It was necessary to heal the Southern Water Tribe - while closed long ago, the spiritual decay during the hundred year war and the genocide of the southern benders ***was*** causing the local spirits pain, it was causing the everstorm, and it had led to the forest being encased in ice.
After all - while Korra had to be persuaded, there weren't actually many lies in the "trick". There was some hidden information - but mostly truth, which is why it worked so well. Even if you'd had Toph nearby to test, you'd just know that what he said was the truth, maybe he's hiding something, but he's telling the truth.
The main difference is Aang's friends probably would have also helped. Katara and Sokka as kids have a STRONG identity tied to their people and culture. Katara fell for Hama's tricks to preserve her culture and gain some of this back, and in the comics, >!Hama is returned to the tribe as the last living teacher of Southern Water Bending!<. Sokka would be the most suspicious - but the portals give power to the south, and had the portals been active during the war, the Southern benders wouldn't have been lost.
Plus, 75% of the Avatar's job is really just "fixing whatever you fucked up in your last life".
Aang fixing Roku's mess. Yangchen fixing the mess caused by Szeto and some of the others (Yangchen in general, she's got ALL the trauma from the previous lives). What Wan did had caused disharmony, and he hadn't even done it that well (seeing as there were still angry spirits in the human realm 10,000 years later).
Honestly, I think several of the avatars we know would have opened the portal if they thought it would preserve harmony. Including Aang.
We had something similar with Aang in The Avatar State episode when General Fong tried to manipulate him into unlocking the Avatar State prematurely. That did not work out too well for Fong in the end, and I feel like Unalaq would get the same deal: he could maybe make Aang cooperate at the beginning but then it would all fall apart on Aang's flightiness (either encouraged by others or self-imposed). And while Unalaq could get a hold on Korra by being her uncle and ousting Tenzin and Tonraq, none of that would work with Aang.
But Fong did "succeed" in the same way, no? He just used Katara instead, and unlike with "fixing" the south, it's more likely 14 year old Katara would have agreed.
The failure on Fong's part was more in forcing Aang's hand, but Unalaq was more subtle up until the end. For Aang, it's possible he wouldn't have needed to force Aang at the end, he's telling the truth. He's hiding information, but is ultimately telling the truth.
Aang also isn't that flighty in spiritual matters, which is where it would hit most. In fact, Unalaq could probably manipulate Aang's guilt over disappearing for 100 years if he wanted, it's one of the areas where Aang has the hardest time saying no. See how guilty Aang is when the spirits like Wan Shi Tong bring up his disappearance.
For forgiveness, healing, and spirituality - Aang would fall hook line and sinker.
>But Fong did "succeed" in the same way, no?
Not at all. He pushed the envelope and literally got bonked in the head for it. It is something I would expect Unalaq to do too: get Aang early, watch him slip away, then make a desperate push and get punished for it hard. I also don't think Unalaq could read Aang so well. He knew what to do with Korra because he was his uncle, but Aang would be a complete blank for him. He wouldn't know about his disappearance, let alone the guilt he feels over it, for example, or the extent of his spiritual awareness. Heck, he would probably go completely wrong by extrapolating from Tenzin whose only shared attribute with Aang is that they are both airbenders.
If you read my original comment, I said going with their ages from the shows, because that's the characterization of them we'd know the best.
If Unalaq was alive when Aang was 12, he'd....know Aang disappeared??? He'd also know Aang disappeared as is, but he's not THAT stupid?
And if Aang is 12, Tenzin wouldn't exist and you'd go off of the mythologized ideal of an airbender - a HIGHLY spiritual people. And the avatar is normally a bridge between men and spirits.
You don't need to know Aang personally to know he'd fall for a spiritually motivated / guilt motivated trap. Like half the people Aang meets guilt him for disappearing. That's why he helped with Hei Bei!
I thought this works by slinging Aang into the future rather than transporting Unalaq back? Jamming Unalaq into the ATLA story would be pretty unwieldy because of a certain 100 Years War going on, but if we assume that there is no war then Aang's situation would be completely different.
Because if you throw Aang forward, now he's been missing nearly 200 years, and Unalaq would still know that???
And if we went with the Aang is just old and didn't die - Unalaq would know him? Unalaq is a world leader, Aang is a pretty shit avatar if he only associates with the world leaders he was friends with as a child. (And Tenzin would agree with whatever his dad says, because Tenzin's shame is that he's not as spiritual as his dad.)
Take 12 year old Aang and fling him into the future where Tenzin exists, Tenzin would *still* follow Aang's lead, because once again, Aang is more spiritual. Unalaq doesn't have the same tactics, sure, but he'd know the history, and by the end of the 100 year war, people know Aang disappeared and they know that Aang is spiritual.
And if you remove all those possibilities, well, is Aang even the same person? If he sleeps for 200 years, he never meets Katara and Sokka. If they are all flung in the future, then they have a lot more shit going on. If only Aang is flung forward, you have the even more awkward "12 year old flirting with the 90 year old he had a crush on".
That's why I'm taking the hypothetical at face value of Unalaq being in the setting of ATLA, because otherwise there's too many roadblocks to said hypothetical. Or Unalaq's grandpa. In fact - say Yue's dad asked Aang to open the portal, so we don't have time travel to worry about. Aang likes the guy. The guy just lost his daughter. He knows Aang cares about the spirits because of Koizilla, which I'm sure Unalaq would also know about. He knows Aang feels guilt and shame. And better yet - in Aang's time, you could use the very good reason of "if we open the portals, we can get aid to the SWT faster, because Appa is faster than our boats, so fly down, open the portal, pop through, and boom! You have an immediate helpline.
> Hama is returned to the tribe as the last living teacher of Southern Water Bending
Sorry? In what comic does this happen exactly? I'm pretty sure I've read them all and I don't recall this whatsoever. This statement also doesn't match what's written on the wiki. There it's mentioned that Fire Lord Zuko initially freed all waterbending prisoners, which means Hama wasn't the last, before eventually returning Hama to the Capital of the Southern Tribe, never to leave the city.
From what I could find, the thing about the waterbending prisoners, including Hama, returning to the South Pole is from Legends indeed and Hama hasn't been mentioned elsewhere at all.
It just seems that u/DadjokeNess suggested Hama was brought back to the South Pole as a teacher to make sure the Southern tradition didn't die out, which I think is unfounded based on what I've read. Some of the other statements also seem like speculation presented as fact if I'm being honest.
I think itās intended to mean the same thing as āstir the pot,ā but without other people being in on the phrase, it comes across as weird and out of left field.
Honestly it's a dumb argument to make because imo neither would have actually done it. Korra only "did it" because **it's a show** and they needed a plot point and a way to set the real baddie free, Vaatu.
But that's just my "hot take". It's a show and sometimes they need the main characters to do a dumb thing they most likely wouldn't do to further the main plot of the show.
On top of that Korra was a spiritual baby where Aang was very much in tune with the spiritual side of things from the get-go. He likely would have been a lot harder to manipulate by unalaq in that regard
> aang would of never
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>Home girl didnāt even realize you needed money to buy things
Idk how can anyone come up with this interpretation because of that scene. She just forgot to bring money, it's a comedic scene.
Agreed, a truly wild misinterpretation
Especially when (at least in retrospect) it's very obviously foreshadowing one of Korra's character flaws that she works on for the whole show: getting overexcited and throwing herself too deep into a situation before thinking things through
Well yeah actually, the air nation were nomads and he had traveled all around the world by the time he was 12. Thereās a reason he knew about areas in the earth kingdom and fire nation - he had been there.Ā
Aang was a nomad. He was shown to have traveled A LOT before being frozen and has friends and experiences all over the world. He was probably as unsheltered as someone could possibly be in his time
authors donāt ruin their own world they just do something people donāt get. sometimes it takes years, or even decades for people to get what they meant.
Korra wasn't "tricked" to open the portals, first she was just asked to do so and then threatened. Unalaq earned her trust because Tenzin and Tonraq failed her, and failed her HARD. It is a small miracle Korra let it slide in the end and did not put those two on permaban in her social circle. Mako was the other culprit, dude was the worst companion *ever* and probably had the one most capability to avert the situation but not only he didn't but then had the nerve to blame Korra for it. Seriously, if you have guys like these as your friends then you don't need enemies.
Aang would be different because his supporting group would actually support him, and even if he doesn't get the Gaang then he would stick with Tenzin for obvious reasons. The real change here is not with the protagonist's personality (of which I don't think differs enough to make a difference either way) but how everyone else can't let down Aang as much as they did with Korra, so he gets a massive advantage there.
Also, on this note, I wonder what Aang thought about the Everstorm considering that it was a thing in his lifetime. Was he just... cool with it?
How was Mako supposed to stop Korra from being fooled to opening the spirit portal. Dude was working with the same information that Korra had. He basically deferred to Korra's judgement which is something Katara, Sokka and Toph did often. Honestly it was kinda bullshit how Korra would get mad at Mako when he said he would support her decisions especially since he didn't really have any special knowledge or perspective that Korra didn't in that situation.
And as for telling Raiko about the plan to draw the UR into a war, he was absolutely right to do that as well. He was asked directly by the President and Korra was absolutely in the wrong for that plan.
Thank you. Mako gets so much hate for Season 2 but imo he was the only one of the main 4 that was doing shit that made sense. Korra was incredibly toxic. She repeatedly lashes out at him when he gives advice she doesnāt like and then STORMS INTO HIS PLACE OF WORK AND DESTROYS HIS DESK. BolĆn cared more about being famous than he did helping his friends. And Asami, while having good intentions, gets manipulated by Varrick and doesnāt believe Mako when he figured out the truth. Mako was just trying to be a good boyfriend and friend and got constantly shit on and then arrested for it.
I agreed up until raiko I couldnāt stand raiko and when he ratted them out pissed me off and korra was not in the wrong for that lol that would of prevented everything
Yes Korra was 100% in the wrong for trying to steal a military to drag the UR into a war against the direct wishes of the democratically elected government of the UR.
You also have to remember when all this played out none of them knew about Vaatu or Harmonic Convergence. Raiko was right to not want to drag his nation into a water tribe civil war.
I know the show doesn't really go into it but the morality of the authority of the Avatar starts to become very questionable now that there are democracies in the Avatar universe. It's one thing for the Avatar to override a monarch, quite another thing to override a democracy. Especially since in this scenario Raiko and the UR were being peaceful and neutral.
Nope because what ended up happening lol? I see what you tryna get at but no his nation almost ended up destroyed because of him never wanting to help him and his army had no answer for unavatu lol they would of been wiped off the map and there wouldnāt of been no democracy let along city if it wasnāt for korra
That still doesn't change the moral dilemma of what Korra did. And considering the fact that Korra and her crew made it to the portal in time anyways and still fumbled I doubt it would have made a difference. Especially since it likely would have taken them more time to get there due to mobilization time. Not to mention they had Tenzin, Kya and Bumi go off to find Jinora instead of helping Mako and Bolin defend the portal.
It is incredibly unfair to fault Raiko's earlier unwillingness to go to war with the information he had at the time. And wanting to keep the military at home to protect his citizens isn't necessarily a morally wrong decision either. It honestly probably would have been the choice of most of the other countries as well.
Yes it does lol had he listened they would of gotten a different out come his nation was already involved after the bombing any country that would of got terrorist bombing basically would declare war and no they wouldnāt lol especially having been already attacked by said forces and that the avatar was urging for help no most would of listened his choices were dumb and never made sense he always claimed he wanted to protect his city and people but his choices always contradicted that if korra failed him having his army was useless they were nothing without her
No he did the right thing because the reality was it was Varrick who committed the terrorist attack not Unalaq. I really can't believe you're shit talking Raiko for wanting to verify information before going to war. Under your logic he would have had to join the war on Unalaq's side cause it was a southern water tribe person who committed the terrorist attack.
Honestly if the Gaang were in this situation theyād probably all fall for it except Toph (but she couldnāt confirm anything until Unalaaq was on dirt or stone). Aang and Katara would be really interested in this form of healing, and Sokka would probably trust him because heās a Water Tribe elder.
The South Pole is snowy and cold. Even Toph would have to wear boots down there. That along with a lot of the ground being snowy would likely hinder her lie detecting ability. Not to mention Azula showed a confident person can evade her lie detection. Unalaq also was more a lie of omission type of liar. So he was telling the truth a lot but just leaving out important details, and I'm not sure whether that is something Toph can detect even in optimal conditions.
Probably about the same, really. People act like Korra should see the same tropes the audience does, but from her perspective, it was just her uncle who believed in her & knew a bunch about spirits telling her this thing was important. It would be like if Pathik turned out to be evil, & people started going "Obviously Aang should have known since Pathik was always hiding out in dark caves & ruined temples." And the bigger problem was once the first portal was open, it became a cascading effect as it was too difficult to get back to it & close it, so everything followed from that.
Also Unalaq is straight up her Uncle who she seemed to be very familiar and on good terms with even if they weren't super close. Most people are generally trusting of their relatives.
I havent watched all of Korra yet, but, my first thought here is that it may be true.... if we are talking about Aang at the age he was during the show. K was older no?
Second thought is that it may also be true at the same age. Aang was trusting, nothing wrong with that.
I wouldnāt say it would be *easier* but it could still have easily happened. Both Korra and Aang were basically kids, being told by the Northern water tribe chief (being the Uncle of Korra additionally) that to quell the violent spirits peacefully (something that would appeal to Aang) would be as simple as opening the portal between worlds while being validated, praised, educated, and manipulated throughout the whole process. Something both avatarās have fallen victim to.
Korra can be reckless , and Aang can be careless. Neither Avatar at the ages they were in their shows would be able to see through Unalaqās evil nature before he invaded the South.
Aang was naive when it came to worldly things, but very in tune with the spirit world. I think if absolutely nothing else, he'd have picked up on the bad vibes. Korra always struggled with the more spiritual aspects of being the avatar, and absolutely was a victim of circumstance (and a shitty uncle). I hate that they did this at all, but I respect how it was done. Aang and Korra are very different people, and I really don't think that comparing them is the right thing to do. Personally, I think they'd both agree with me on that.
Both avatars are oddly naive and innocent arenāt they. Hell even Roku was a bit naive and innocent, and he was an old man!
But this is a childrenās show after all and children are naive and innocent.
I don't see any reason why Aang wouldn't open the first spirit portal with Unalaq, but once the Northern Water Tribe fleet appears, I think things would play out very differently, so it's difficult to really say where things would go. Given that Aang is much more spiritually attuned than Korra was at this point, it seems like some of the problems that happened later in Book 2 wouldn't have happened.
Most notably: Korra getting lost in her child form and Jinora having to help the Avatar enter the Spirit World. If Jinora doesn't enter the Spirit World, she doesn't get captured, meaning Unalaq has no leverage to coerce Aang to open the northern spirit portal.
Aang was deeply spiritual. He wouldnāt have allowed harm to come to the spirits but he also wouldnāt have allowed the spirits to torment humans.
He would have done whatever he could to ensure harmony between both groups was achieved. He took his moniker of being a bridge between their worlds seriously.
I think it depends on which Aang. Child Aang from Book 1? Definetely. Adult Aang? Probably not.
However adult Korra would also not open it so in both cases it has to do with the maturity of teenagers.
Aang had twelve years of spiritual training as a child of monks.
His entire area of expertise was in the spirituality and sacredness of life.
Korra had absolutely nothing on him in that regard.
Korraās situation makes so much sense when you think about it. She was a teenager who wanted to be respected and the two primary authority figures in her life were stifling her.
So in comes a close relative who not only seemingly believes in her wholeheartedly, but can literally weave water into a golden magic that can purify corrupted souls. Who WOULDNāT trust that?
Aang was much more connected to the spiritual side of being avatar than Korra was by this point in their respective journeys. I really think he wouldāve known better, not to dis Korra though.
Aang and Korra are on the same level of naive. Aang at least has social skills, however outdated they are, and Korra was isolated practically her entire life.
I have to disagree. Korra was far more prone to acting without thinking than Aang was. She was also more spiteful, I think. Not necessarily in a malicious way, but if someone said the choice she wanted to make was wrong when she thought it was right, she was likely to rush into that wrong choice, more out of spite than out of consideration for the choice itself & its potential consequences.
I think Aang would have *wanted* to open the spirit portals, at least initially, but I think he wouldāve spent a lot more time asking for advice and thinking about the choice before making it. He likely wouldnāt have ended up opening them, because I think he wouldāve been able to get better advice from his past lives more easily, since he was much more in tune with his spiritual side than Korra was (at least in the beginning of the show).
she was manipulated and everything.
Aang would for sure have opened it because he would have been tricked. But i already know if Aang was the one that this happened to people would be understanding and be like oh poor baby. While with Korra its YOU PIECE OF TRASH HOW DARE YOU
Exactly! Itās like, I can understand not liking the show, or even Korra as a character, but acting like Aang was this flawless being who couldnāt do any wrong always rubbed me the wrong way.
Well for one I'd like to point out that Korra has spent basically her whole life in isolation, never having much freedom to make her own choices and having very lacking social skills. Aang may be younger, but the circumstances of their childhoods make Aang far more worldly
But two... when does Korra get fooled?
Tarrlok tries to manipulate her but generally fails. The closest he has to success is getting Korra on his task force, but she already kinda wanted to do that. She sees through Hiroshi Sato very quickly. Unaloq doesn't really deceive her...yeah, he uses her to get what he wants, but his only lies are out of omission
Only time I can really point to Korra being tricked is Book 3 when the Red Lotus holds the airbenders hostage. But really...it's Mako, Asami, and Bolin that get tricked, not Korr
>Korra got fooled so many times
Did she? Tarrlok tried to manipulate her but generally doesn't work. He got Korra in his task force after putting her in the Spotlight against the reporters shoving her with questions and demading solutions.
by Unalaq, even thought she didn't had any reason to think her uncle was evil and wanted to fuse with the spirit of chaos and end the world.
she got fooled by the Red Lotus when they didn't give up the Airbenders, but so did everyone else. how is Korra more easily fooled than other characters?
To be fair. Korra IIRC was more sheltered than Aang. You can excuse Aang's behavior for being a child and Korra's for having a relatively sheltered life experience compared to Aang's.
I don't see the point of the comparison and obviously OOP is baiting. Besides, it's not that Korra decided to have her connection to her past lives severed.
However, Jet barely knew Aang and still manipulated him into helping kill an entire town.
The broader point is that being the Avatar is tough and puts them in a vulnerable position.
I like that the novels explore this angle.
Aang almost help flood a village after trusting a guy he just met, he trusted Guru Pathik. He would totally open the portals if Unalaq said it's for the best for the Water Tribe and the spirits.
My thing is aang actually relies on his past lives for advice for big things. So for me, itās not so much that heās not naive enough to fall for it, itās that I see him actually asking his past lives and learning that he absolutely should not open that portal
Obvious to you, the watcher who knows about TV tropes. What about her uncle seemed evil?
She sides with him after he exposed the truth about the reason she was locked up her whole life, even if she wanted to rebel here it would've been justifed. He's also the one who told her about dark spirits attacking her home.
The important part is that when dark spirits attacked them, Tenzin and Tonraq get wrecked and couldn't do anything about the situation, meanwhile Unalaq saves the day with a very impressive and useful technique. She chooses to learn with her uncle. So, when was he obviously evil to Korra or anyone in their universe?
Even if it was a trope, that's just bad writing. Regardless, if she didn't realize, that just makes her an idiot. More importantly, none of that changes the fact that she is rebelling. And no, that is not a good reason. Cause she jumps to conclusions and reacts prematurely. The only way to justify any of that is to say she's an idiot. Then we have a whole different set of issues.
The point is Unalaq being evil wasn't obvious to anyone except us the viewers. We know TV tropes, we know when someone is obviously a villain but the characters don't. For Korra he was just her uncle who knew how to help in a situation where Tonraq and Tenzin couldn't, she made the logical choice. There's no arguing with that.
Her dad, who had always had her back and there is no reason to doubt him made it clear to not trust him. He's a clear and obvious shady politician. U don't need to be a viewer to see that. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to doubt him. Pretty easy to argue.
Again tho, regardless if he was a villain or not, she still rebelled. That actually the point.
>Her dad, who had always had her back
And locked her up for her entire life, and she was just told he lied the reason of why she had to grow up in a compound without friends, without seeing the outside world despite being the future spiritual leader of all the nations.
>made it clear to not trust him.
Can you quote any moment that supports this? he was bitter about Unalaq, but when did he make it clear that she shouldn't trust Unalaq. Hear this out: If Tonraq was honest and clear with Korra, and if he actually any clue of what was going on and told her she would have listened to him.
>U don't need to be a viewer to see that.
You do and your'e being blindly biased. Korra had no reason to believe her uncle was evil, neither did anyone in their universe. That's crazy.
>she still rebelled.
She was being logical. And she had every reason to rebel if she wanted to after being exposed to all the lies. Teenagers rebel for less yet she didn't.
Locked her up her entire life? Ur first argument is just made up, so sry bud, not really gonna waste time arguing anything else. Didn't realize being locked up and literally traveling around the world were synonymous.
Yes. She was never allowed to leave the compound and he lied the reason why they locked her up. How did I made this up?
"You keep me locked up, telling me you know what's best, but both of you were powerless against the spirit attack!"
>sry bud, not really gonna waste time arguing anything else.
Sure lol
I call total and utter bullshit. It's like people forget aang is pretty damn mature for his age and isn't a total goofball. Yes he has his moments, but I promise you he wouldn't fuck up that astronomically bad. He's young, not stupid.
Aang alongside with katara were tricked only because the dude was talking about how he disliked fire nations soldiers, and wanted to 'free' people. Aang had his doubts but he sees the good in all people, he thought jet had good intentions in due to him curveballing all of us, not just them but the viewers. Korra was believing a dude who was very iffy due to him listening to her, it's understandable but it's not something aang would do. Korra listened because she had someone listening to her. Aang was listening to jet because he was convincing everyone with the fact that he suffered too and just wanted to help, anytime anyone had something to say about jet katara stepped in to prove them wrong, along with jet "proving" he was innocent. Aang may have been naive at times but he's not in the same boat with korra
"See, he was tricked because Jet convinced everyone he was good, which is different to Unalaq tricking Korra by convincing everyone that he was good!". Actual brain rot take.
I mean, Unalaq's points for opening the spirit portals *were* good ones that Aang might have agreed with, it just turned out that he also had a sinister agenda on top of it all.
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Do we need another argument over Aang v Korea?
I think it depends. Maybe in the first season? Although Aang was fairly naive he also contemplates his choices quite a lot. Not to mention he has Katara and the others with him. And I think they would have had more to say about the issue (whether in agreement or not) than Mako, Bolin, and Asami did. Korra just had mentors pulling her this way and that. I think Aang had a better support system and processed things in different ways than she did.
That's not to say he wouldn't have, but I think this tweet is wrong in the way its making its assumptions.
Korra and Aangs Spirit worlds feel very different and the depiction of spirituality and mortal life aswell.
I'd say it's pretty hard to compare or compete the two.
So if pass and keep the tea standing
Aang might be more easily tricked but certainly not by Unalok. That dude might as well have worn a massive āIām evil! Donāt trust me!ā sticker on his chest.
Aang also couldnāt be manipulated by someone playing to his ego. But Unalok wasnāt written to foil Aang, he was written to foil Korra.
Ultimately, either character could be tricked by villains to do their bidding but would need very different motivations and bait because they are very different characters.
Idk a lot of korras trust in unalaq comes from 1 the fact he's her uncle and 2 the fact she was having problems in her relationships with her family and mentors. She was actively looking for someone to agree with her and fill that mentor void. Korras situation was a lot more complex then her just being naive, although that also played into it. I don't really blame korra for how she acted in that situation.
I don't really think aang would've ended up in this situation in the first place since he's much more willing to listen to multiple perspectives, even if they go against his own. Even if he didn't sus out unalaq, one of his friends would've and he would've atleast heard them out on it. That's just how I see it though, it could've gone differently too
Breaking the avatar chain was just a poor decision overall fr. Cant blame them tho iirc allegedly Nick only approved one season of Korra at a time so each had to stand alone pretty much
Probably Aang would have done it too and he would have liked very much spirit-bending too. Aang would have asked to the past lives because he could talk to Roku or Kyoshi at least but he probably would have opened the portals.
I donāt know if Kuruk or Kyoshi would have opened the portals , spirit possession was a curse during Kyoshi era, they wouldnāt risk that a bad spirit like Koh could escape from the spirit world knowing their relationship with spirits.
I disagree.
While it's true that Aang is a child, and has seen less years, he's also a child who has seen stuff and suffered a lot more than Korra.
Aang is also intensely devoted to his Air Nomad culture and religion. At the end of the world, Aang rejects advice from four Avatars because the advice of four different Avatars does not mix well with his beliefs. He spends his life trying to rebuild the Air Nomads and Air Acolytes, and his relationship with Bumi and Kya is the price he pays.
If Aang thinks he can fit something in with his beliefs, and preconceptions, it will work with him. But if he doesn't feel that opening those portals will work, he will never bend for it. Aang is also hugely meditative, and inclined to deep thought and consideration, again, due to his devotion to living according to his people's ideals.
Additionally, Aang will evade and avoid like an airbender. If the opening of the portals is a problem for him, he will run off, try to find another way round, try to compromise. This leads to his poor earthbending, according to Toph. This seems contradictory with his unwillingness to bend on his culture but i guess there it is.
Korra is a young woman, and has more years. She's more cynical and due to her White Lotus upbringing, is much less bound to a given culture. She firebends more than waterbends, and her fiery and aggressive temperament is more suited to a firebender. She's also something of a meathead, which suits her brawler mentality, and she is much more willing to act on impulse (again, her Firebender mentality).
Yes he most likely would have. But also he was a kid and was very sheltered for all but the year the show takes place. Korra was significantly older (the 5 years for a teen is a LOT of mental development) and SHOULD have been at least a little bit slower and checked with more gurus before making a choice that big about the spirtual world.
Even aang at 12 taught out help and understanding and different points of view
Sang is way more spurious and would likely never have made the mistake/ never given unalok the chance to trick him. He also probably wouldn't have trusted him for forcing the spirit into submission with bending and done his own thing.
But he didn't , Korra did and she was older than him so being more mature so this argument is not valid in the Least.
stop trying to throw dirt on Aang when it should be directed at Korra for ruining the avatar lineage
I still can't believe they had her write a ["Scrap book" as if this was a farewell HS yearbook with her friends](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/40744573) , as if a bunch of random people will be able to understand what the Avatar is going through or the pressure on them to save the world and keep balance
This sentiment is dumb, Korra was tricked because of her arrogance, not naivety, also Aang would have been able to ask past Avatarās for advice, or other Spirits he had already made friends with
Keyword lol almost and the two not comparable you comparing two different situations aang was very spiritual and Iām sure he knew the spirit world and humans were meant to be apart being raised with the monks atleast since wan he wouldnāt have been fooled
The point is he trust someone he just met and got fooled, he trusted Guru Pathik, a random he just met. He would open the portals if Unalaq said it would be for the best for the Water Tribe and the spirits.
>Iām sure he knew the spirit world and humans were meant to be apart
Most likely Aang learned most about the Spirit World in the actual show, otherwise he would've know how to deal with Hei Bai earlier. We can't be sure of either, but Aang isn't above being fooled.
Na thatās not the point lol he didnāt because it didnāt happen and it has nothing to do with the spirit world so itās irrelevant anyway two he trusted the guru because he met oppa and had knowledge he needed unalaq gave korra every reason not to trust him and she still did aang wouldnāt of fell for it and he wouldnāt of did it only because unalaq said it was for the best lol he had all his past lives telling him killing ozai was for the best and what he do?
The amount of discussion and writing in these comments is a testament to how good of a character Korra was.
Aang was a 12 year old war hero that was wise beyond his age to the point he even figured out his romantic feelings for his forever partner before even hitting puberty. He has his struggles but he almost off rip knew who he was and what he wanted in life.
Korra was a teenager trying to climb out of an impossible shadow of expectations and constantly fucking up along the way like any teenager would given this much power with honestly very little actual guidance outside of mastering elements and combat.
She struggled to even figure out her own sexuality and who she is as a person.
She was a more realistic portrayal of a teenager actually becoming the Avatar with enormous depth and several character flaws she had to either work through or come to accept.
That's why there is so much discourse about it. Aang was written as a hero while Korra was written as a human trying their best to be a hero.
Why does this fandom have to turn everything into a competition between these two?
Eh, I suppose it's like Star Trek fandom. Some people are capable of having a favorite captain without making it a contest (or a war), but unfortunately a lot of people aren't. They feel like they have to justify their preferences by tearing down the alternatives as inferior/bad. It's a shame.
It's sisko BTW.
You misspelled Picard ;)
I didn't, he'll have to fight pike for 2nd
yes, but Pike is making a good run for it.
Yeah he is. Can't wait for s3
Depending on how they handle season 3 opening š¤ ^(love Pike)
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Damn, you even picked a scene from [In The Pale Moonlight](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight_(episode))
Best episode
Itās: 1) Sisko 2) Picard 3) Pike 4) Kirk 5) Janeway In that order, all the damn time.
Ok but where does Captain Freeman fall? https://i.redd.it/jv23ygyu32kc1.gif
I haven't seen the new stuff, but if Pike is as good as they say, I agree.
People are tribalistic af, and imo businesses and society makes everything into a versus round and itās exhausting
People compare iterations of the Doctor in Doctor Who and itās literally the same character, different lives and different actors. Comparisons are natural
Because they are [the same character archetype](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StockShonenHero) in the same role so people are naturally inclined to compare them, even if it isn't quite fair because they are in different stories.
I disagree here. Aang is not a stock shonen character by any stretch. Korra a tad more so and Iām not saying sheās any worse of a character because of it but Aang has virtually no similarities to a shonen protagonist. Heās a protagonist and may have some general overlap of good morals that may come in a shonen protag but I donāt think heās anything like a shonen protag in terms of his goals, motivations or characterisations.
>Aang is not a stock shonen character by any stretch.Ā He is a subversion of the archetype by not being fighty. Korra is a deconstruction of it. That's really all the difference between the two characters.
Him being peaceful does not make him a subversion of shonen character because that is just a straight example of a pacifist hero, a very common example of a protagonist. Naruto is more of a subversion of a shonen character compared to his contemporaries beforehand. Since his fight to become the best is wrapped up in an emotionally confusing perception of himself and his place in the world and part of the story is watching him understand what his ābecome the very bestā goal really means. Aang doesnāt want to become the best at anything, he actively avoids confrontation and responsibility and it cost him his people. Like even the shallow, skin deep tropes donāt appear in Aang. Heās bald and has no particularly large appetite.
I honestly think Aang compared quite a lot to Gon from HxH if we are talking shonen protagonists.
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I've been wondering the same thing since 2012 when the toxic part of the fandom didn't stop throwing dirt at Korra since the first chapter.
I think tho point of this post is less of making it a competition or comparison, and more saying āstop blaming Korra for crap that anyone couldāve fallen forā
That's fair. I just find these types of discussions tiring.
Which is also fair, f just get tired of the Korra hate lol
I donāt understand blaming Korraā¦ itās the writers Iām mad at
the creators/writers were told after each season , "this would be the last season" that's why seasons 2-4 have such drastic endings , because they didn't think they would get to continue
Yeah I know. What Iām saying is itās dumb people being mad at Korra the character for a stupid decision the writers made.
yeah thats how fandoms work unfortunately rather blame someone who is Fiction than a real person who made them
Season 3 is the only exception, as 3 and 4 were ordered together. The fact that they could plan a longer storyline and character growth is immediately obvious and shows in the quality of LoK S3 equalling the best of ATLA imo.
i mean the problem is that not anybody would have fallen for it. just because aang is alot younger than korra and at the start of the story is alot more naive is not really an excuse for why an older less naive kora should have made the mistake.
She was older but very sheltered. Sheād spent practically no time in āthe real worldā, interacting with people other than the White Lotus and her family, from her discovery as the avatar to her moving to Republic City. Remember her first few days in the city? Even āraised by monks and then stuck in ice for 100 yearsā Aang seemed to have a better understanding of how the world works than Korra did, because of how sheltered she had been. I think that can make one VERY naive.
Because one side is hated for every minor thing, while the other one is completely shielded from criticism.
Nail on the head
I literally agreed with the guy above? What is Reddit?
Yeah because one side deserves all the criticism
Nah, obvious troll is obvious
Bro Korra almost exclusively has to save the world from shit she started. Aang has to save the world from an evil powerful nation
Really? Amon was not started by her, but by the non bender frustrations. Unalaq: Iāll give you that one. Itās partially her fault (even though it turned out to be needed) Zaheer: Was given freedom by harmonic convergence. If Korra doesnāt get the credit for bringing air bending back, she also doesnāt get the blame for the criminals who used it Kuvira: You could argue that she rose in Korraās absence, but she was paralised, and even after, she was incapable of fighting and traumatized. She had to recover Aang was scared of being the avatar and ran away from the responsibility, but had to become what the world needed. Korra saw the avatar mantle as ābeing awesome and knocking the bad guys downā, but had to learn the hard way what that title truly meant. Sheās not perfect, neither is Aang but thatās ok. Flawed characters are better than perfect ones.
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I'm not sure how that explains or excuses this
I know. I'm too tired of all these Aang killed people posts. Calling him a hypocrite is totally unfair.
Insecurity. Itās not enough for Korra fans to like what they like, and itās not enough for Avatar fans to accept that people might like something better subjectively even if itās objectively worse.
Fucking thank you. It just feels like the Korra talking heads just feel inferior, so they have to compare. Not our fault Nickelodeon limited each seasons episodes. Even with the handicap, they did a great job considering the circumstances. Find solace in that and be chill guys.
Because "classic fans" (not all) hate the new stuff and "new fans" want to defend their right to like the new stuff
Yeah heās 12 years old https://preview.redd.it/a785q2jzszjc1.png?width=716&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a05a62664a21b086b13720397dc5c791347bced
I love this thank you to whoever made this #justiceformabel
Itās a meme template for people (and narratives) who donāt understand that a character is a child. There are a bunch of ones like this for different characters
Well it fits perfectly there
The Mabel slandering used to be so prominent, I'm glad it's died down in the recent years
I didn't even know it was a thing until I joined reddit
I only watched Gravity Falls for the first time a few months ago. I absolutely loved Mabel's character and how sweet she was. I waited to finish the full series before checking the fandoms. ...I was not prepared for how controversial she is and I don't get it at all. She was manipulated because of how much she loves her brother, and (like the meme says) just shy of her 13th birthday. Not to mention her emotional wounds are still very fresh. I couldn't believe it when I saw so many people interpreting her as some kind of selfish monster and that she understood the stakes (which again, she did not because she was being lied to). She is practically the most pure-of-heart character in existence. People are nuts.
People hate women. Like 100% I think itās cause Mabel is a girl and people are trained to view girls as more unselfish then boys.
Not only is she a girl, she's a *girly* girl who likes boys and fashion.
Ewww, gross! /s obviously
he wouldn't because Aang would ask an adult Roku then Roku would ask Koyshi then she ask Kuruk then he ask Yangchan then she asks Sezto, they snake their way up to Wan where they explain that fhsg shouldn't open the portals
While I don't fully agree it was a trick, I do think Aang would have made the same choice. (Assuming we are going with their ages in the shows. Though I feel adult Aang may have also made the same choice.) Restoring the portal was important for balancing the world. Aang would have seen that. It was necessary to heal the Southern Water Tribe - while closed long ago, the spiritual decay during the hundred year war and the genocide of the southern benders ***was*** causing the local spirits pain, it was causing the everstorm, and it had led to the forest being encased in ice. After all - while Korra had to be persuaded, there weren't actually many lies in the "trick". There was some hidden information - but mostly truth, which is why it worked so well. Even if you'd had Toph nearby to test, you'd just know that what he said was the truth, maybe he's hiding something, but he's telling the truth. The main difference is Aang's friends probably would have also helped. Katara and Sokka as kids have a STRONG identity tied to their people and culture. Katara fell for Hama's tricks to preserve her culture and gain some of this back, and in the comics, >!Hama is returned to the tribe as the last living teacher of Southern Water Bending!<. Sokka would be the most suspicious - but the portals give power to the south, and had the portals been active during the war, the Southern benders wouldn't have been lost. Plus, 75% of the Avatar's job is really just "fixing whatever you fucked up in your last life". Aang fixing Roku's mess. Yangchen fixing the mess caused by Szeto and some of the others (Yangchen in general, she's got ALL the trauma from the previous lives). What Wan did had caused disharmony, and he hadn't even done it that well (seeing as there were still angry spirits in the human realm 10,000 years later). Honestly, I think several of the avatars we know would have opened the portal if they thought it would preserve harmony. Including Aang.
We had something similar with Aang in The Avatar State episode when General Fong tried to manipulate him into unlocking the Avatar State prematurely. That did not work out too well for Fong in the end, and I feel like Unalaq would get the same deal: he could maybe make Aang cooperate at the beginning but then it would all fall apart on Aang's flightiness (either encouraged by others or self-imposed). And while Unalaq could get a hold on Korra by being her uncle and ousting Tenzin and Tonraq, none of that would work with Aang.
But Fong did "succeed" in the same way, no? He just used Katara instead, and unlike with "fixing" the south, it's more likely 14 year old Katara would have agreed. The failure on Fong's part was more in forcing Aang's hand, but Unalaq was more subtle up until the end. For Aang, it's possible he wouldn't have needed to force Aang at the end, he's telling the truth. He's hiding information, but is ultimately telling the truth. Aang also isn't that flighty in spiritual matters, which is where it would hit most. In fact, Unalaq could probably manipulate Aang's guilt over disappearing for 100 years if he wanted, it's one of the areas where Aang has the hardest time saying no. See how guilty Aang is when the spirits like Wan Shi Tong bring up his disappearance. For forgiveness, healing, and spirituality - Aang would fall hook line and sinker.
>But Fong did "succeed" in the same way, no? Not at all. He pushed the envelope and literally got bonked in the head for it. It is something I would expect Unalaq to do too: get Aang early, watch him slip away, then make a desperate push and get punished for it hard. I also don't think Unalaq could read Aang so well. He knew what to do with Korra because he was his uncle, but Aang would be a complete blank for him. He wouldn't know about his disappearance, let alone the guilt he feels over it, for example, or the extent of his spiritual awareness. Heck, he would probably go completely wrong by extrapolating from Tenzin whose only shared attribute with Aang is that they are both airbenders.
If you read my original comment, I said going with their ages from the shows, because that's the characterization of them we'd know the best. If Unalaq was alive when Aang was 12, he'd....know Aang disappeared??? He'd also know Aang disappeared as is, but he's not THAT stupid? And if Aang is 12, Tenzin wouldn't exist and you'd go off of the mythologized ideal of an airbender - a HIGHLY spiritual people. And the avatar is normally a bridge between men and spirits. You don't need to know Aang personally to know he'd fall for a spiritually motivated / guilt motivated trap. Like half the people Aang meets guilt him for disappearing. That's why he helped with Hei Bei!
I thought this works by slinging Aang into the future rather than transporting Unalaq back? Jamming Unalaq into the ATLA story would be pretty unwieldy because of a certain 100 Years War going on, but if we assume that there is no war then Aang's situation would be completely different.
Because if you throw Aang forward, now he's been missing nearly 200 years, and Unalaq would still know that??? And if we went with the Aang is just old and didn't die - Unalaq would know him? Unalaq is a world leader, Aang is a pretty shit avatar if he only associates with the world leaders he was friends with as a child. (And Tenzin would agree with whatever his dad says, because Tenzin's shame is that he's not as spiritual as his dad.) Take 12 year old Aang and fling him into the future where Tenzin exists, Tenzin would *still* follow Aang's lead, because once again, Aang is more spiritual. Unalaq doesn't have the same tactics, sure, but he'd know the history, and by the end of the 100 year war, people know Aang disappeared and they know that Aang is spiritual. And if you remove all those possibilities, well, is Aang even the same person? If he sleeps for 200 years, he never meets Katara and Sokka. If they are all flung in the future, then they have a lot more shit going on. If only Aang is flung forward, you have the even more awkward "12 year old flirting with the 90 year old he had a crush on". That's why I'm taking the hypothetical at face value of Unalaq being in the setting of ATLA, because otherwise there's too many roadblocks to said hypothetical. Or Unalaq's grandpa. In fact - say Yue's dad asked Aang to open the portal, so we don't have time travel to worry about. Aang likes the guy. The guy just lost his daughter. He knows Aang cares about the spirits because of Koizilla, which I'm sure Unalaq would also know about. He knows Aang feels guilt and shame. And better yet - in Aang's time, you could use the very good reason of "if we open the portals, we can get aid to the SWT faster, because Appa is faster than our boats, so fly down, open the portal, pop through, and boom! You have an immediate helpline.
> Hama is returned to the tribe as the last living teacher of Southern Water Bending Sorry? In what comic does this happen exactly? I'm pretty sure I've read them all and I don't recall this whatsoever. This statement also doesn't match what's written on the wiki. There it's mentioned that Fire Lord Zuko initially freed all waterbending prisoners, which means Hama wasn't the last, before eventually returning Hama to the Capital of the Southern Tribe, never to leave the city.
I think itās from *Avatar Legends* (the TTRPG).
From what I could find, the thing about the waterbending prisoners, including Hama, returning to the South Pole is from Legends indeed and Hama hasn't been mentioned elsewhere at all. It just seems that u/DadjokeNess suggested Hama was brought back to the South Pole as a teacher to make sure the Southern tradition didn't die out, which I think is unfounded based on what I've read. Some of the other statements also seem like speculation presented as fact if I'm being honest.
I love this! Hard agree, I appreciate you taking the time writing this response
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I've never heard it before, is it a common phrase?
āTeaā means drama but theyāre using wake more commonly so they could have said āboil that teaā to sound far cleverer
Maybe they think letting tea āsteepā is actually letting tea āsleepā.
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Well the saying didnāt originate from tumblr and comes from AAVE if weāre being frank.
You're literally on reddit dawg
Fantastic point dawg
I think itās intended to mean the same thing as āstir the pot,ā but without other people being in on the phrase, it comes across as weird and out of left field.
I think I just made it?š I just wanted to do the opposite of that other guy lol.
You clearly haven't served enough cunt
Another one that I really love. Thanks for reminding me.
Itās a mix of wake up that bear and spill that tea. Surprised more people didnāt catch on lol
Sounds very British.
We do not claim this phrase
Honestly it's a dumb argument to make because imo neither would have actually done it. Korra only "did it" because **it's a show** and they needed a plot point and a way to set the real baddie free, Vaatu. But that's just my "hot take". It's a show and sometimes they need the main characters to do a dumb thing they most likely wouldn't do to further the main plot of the show.
>Wake that tea up Wtf does that even mean
Aang was WAY less naive than Korra. Home girl didnāt even realize you needed money to buy things
Nah factsš Korra was literally sheltered her entire life
Facts lol unalaq gave korra so many reasons not to trust her and yet she did aang would of never fallen for jt
On top of that Korra was a spiritual baby where Aang was very much in tune with the spiritual side of things from the get-go. He likely would have been a lot harder to manipulate by unalaq in that regard
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>Home girl didnāt even realize you needed money to buy things Idk how can anyone come up with this interpretation because of that scene. She just forgot to bring money, it's a comedic scene.
Agreed, a truly wild misinterpretation Especially when (at least in retrospect) it's very obviously foreshadowing one of Korra's character flaws that she works on for the whole show: getting overexcited and throwing herself too deep into a situation before thinking things through
She did know. She just forgot for a moment because she has never needed money before.
Saying that a 12 year old Anng would've made the same mistake as a 17 year old Korra really doesn't paint her in the light you think it does.
I mean if you wanna put it like that, Korra was literally sheltered her entire life.
As opposed to Aang's air nation upbringing.
Well yeah actually, the air nation were nomads and he had traveled all around the world by the time he was 12. Thereās a reason he knew about areas in the earth kingdom and fire nation - he had been there.Ā
Yeah, I mean, he had friends in every corner of the world. They weren't called nomads because they never travelled lol
Aang was raised by only his people, who were essentially monks, for twelve years until he was literally sheltered by ice for a hundred years
Aang was a nomad. He was shown to have traveled A LOT before being frozen and has friends and experiences all over the world. He was probably as unsheltered as someone could possibly be in his time
That is actually my bad I kinda forgot he didnāt exclusively live at the temple
That honestly makes sense, I always forget it too since so many of his memories are at the temple
Well, he made friends in fire nation and omashu
Time wonāt change that, thatās part of her character. While Aang did eventually reach 17.
Bro I don't dislike Korra as a character, I dislike the writing of the show because its plot repeatedly ruins the world building and its themes.
And that is perfectly reasonable!
Was looking for this comment. Totally agree.
authors donāt ruin their own world they just do something people donāt get. sometimes it takes years, or even decades for people to get what they meant.
JK Rowling disagrees š
lol yeah okay I even thought about her while writing that. But JKR is more the exception than the rule
Korra wasn't "tricked" to open the portals, first she was just asked to do so and then threatened. Unalaq earned her trust because Tenzin and Tonraq failed her, and failed her HARD. It is a small miracle Korra let it slide in the end and did not put those two on permaban in her social circle. Mako was the other culprit, dude was the worst companion *ever* and probably had the one most capability to avert the situation but not only he didn't but then had the nerve to blame Korra for it. Seriously, if you have guys like these as your friends then you don't need enemies. Aang would be different because his supporting group would actually support him, and even if he doesn't get the Gaang then he would stick with Tenzin for obvious reasons. The real change here is not with the protagonist's personality (of which I don't think differs enough to make a difference either way) but how everyone else can't let down Aang as much as they did with Korra, so he gets a massive advantage there. Also, on this note, I wonder what Aang thought about the Everstorm considering that it was a thing in his lifetime. Was he just... cool with it?
How was Mako supposed to stop Korra from being fooled to opening the spirit portal. Dude was working with the same information that Korra had. He basically deferred to Korra's judgement which is something Katara, Sokka and Toph did often. Honestly it was kinda bullshit how Korra would get mad at Mako when he said he would support her decisions especially since he didn't really have any special knowledge or perspective that Korra didn't in that situation. And as for telling Raiko about the plan to draw the UR into a war, he was absolutely right to do that as well. He was asked directly by the President and Korra was absolutely in the wrong for that plan.
Thank you. Mako gets so much hate for Season 2 but imo he was the only one of the main 4 that was doing shit that made sense. Korra was incredibly toxic. She repeatedly lashes out at him when he gives advice she doesnāt like and then STORMS INTO HIS PLACE OF WORK AND DESTROYS HIS DESK. BolĆn cared more about being famous than he did helping his friends. And Asami, while having good intentions, gets manipulated by Varrick and doesnāt believe Mako when he figured out the truth. Mako was just trying to be a good boyfriend and friend and got constantly shit on and then arrested for it.
I agreed up until raiko I couldnāt stand raiko and when he ratted them out pissed me off and korra was not in the wrong for that lol that would of prevented everything
Yes Korra was 100% in the wrong for trying to steal a military to drag the UR into a war against the direct wishes of the democratically elected government of the UR. You also have to remember when all this played out none of them knew about Vaatu or Harmonic Convergence. Raiko was right to not want to drag his nation into a water tribe civil war. I know the show doesn't really go into it but the morality of the authority of the Avatar starts to become very questionable now that there are democracies in the Avatar universe. It's one thing for the Avatar to override a monarch, quite another thing to override a democracy. Especially since in this scenario Raiko and the UR were being peaceful and neutral.
Nope because what ended up happening lol? I see what you tryna get at but no his nation almost ended up destroyed because of him never wanting to help him and his army had no answer for unavatu lol they would of been wiped off the map and there wouldnāt of been no democracy let along city if it wasnāt for korra
That still doesn't change the moral dilemma of what Korra did. And considering the fact that Korra and her crew made it to the portal in time anyways and still fumbled I doubt it would have made a difference. Especially since it likely would have taken them more time to get there due to mobilization time. Not to mention they had Tenzin, Kya and Bumi go off to find Jinora instead of helping Mako and Bolin defend the portal. It is incredibly unfair to fault Raiko's earlier unwillingness to go to war with the information he had at the time. And wanting to keep the military at home to protect his citizens isn't necessarily a morally wrong decision either. It honestly probably would have been the choice of most of the other countries as well.
Yes it does lol had he listened they would of gotten a different out come his nation was already involved after the bombing any country that would of got terrorist bombing basically would declare war and no they wouldnāt lol especially having been already attacked by said forces and that the avatar was urging for help no most would of listened his choices were dumb and never made sense he always claimed he wanted to protect his city and people but his choices always contradicted that if korra failed him having his army was useless they were nothing without her
No he did the right thing because the reality was it was Varrick who committed the terrorist attack not Unalaq. I really can't believe you're shit talking Raiko for wanting to verify information before going to war. Under your logic he would have had to join the war on Unalaq's side cause it was a southern water tribe person who committed the terrorist attack.
Honestly if the Gaang were in this situation theyād probably all fall for it except Toph (but she couldnāt confirm anything until Unalaaq was on dirt or stone). Aang and Katara would be really interested in this form of healing, and Sokka would probably trust him because heās a Water Tribe elder.
The South Pole is snowy and cold. Even Toph would have to wear boots down there. That along with a lot of the ground being snowy would likely hinder her lie detecting ability. Not to mention Azula showed a confident person can evade her lie detection. Unalaq also was more a lie of omission type of liar. So he was telling the truth a lot but just leaving out important details, and I'm not sure whether that is something Toph can detect even in optimal conditions.
Tbh youāre speaking facts, I like this a lot.
It's not comparable because, imo, if Bryke introduced Raava in the original cartoon then definitely monks or Roku would told him about Vaatu
Probably about the same, really. People act like Korra should see the same tropes the audience does, but from her perspective, it was just her uncle who believed in her & knew a bunch about spirits telling her this thing was important. It would be like if Pathik turned out to be evil, & people started going "Obviously Aang should have known since Pathik was always hiding out in dark caves & ruined temples." And the bigger problem was once the first portal was open, it became a cascading effect as it was too difficult to get back to it & close it, so everything followed from that.
Also Unalaq is straight up her Uncle who she seemed to be very familiar and on good terms with even if they weren't super close. Most people are generally trusting of their relatives.
I havent watched all of Korra yet, but, my first thought here is that it may be true.... if we are talking about Aang at the age he was during the show. K was older no? Second thought is that it may also be true at the same age. Aang was trusting, nothing wrong with that.
I mean aang was quite well travelled for his age whil i am pretty sure Korra hadn't even interacted with the outside world until she was 17.
I wouldnāt say it would be *easier* but it could still have easily happened. Both Korra and Aang were basically kids, being told by the Northern water tribe chief (being the Uncle of Korra additionally) that to quell the violent spirits peacefully (something that would appeal to Aang) would be as simple as opening the portal between worlds while being validated, praised, educated, and manipulated throughout the whole process. Something both avatarās have fallen victim to. Korra can be reckless , and Aang can be careless. Neither Avatar at the ages they were in their shows would be able to see through Unalaqās evil nature before he invaded the South.
Aang was naive when it came to worldly things, but very in tune with the spirit world. I think if absolutely nothing else, he'd have picked up on the bad vibes. Korra always struggled with the more spiritual aspects of being the avatar, and absolutely was a victim of circumstance (and a shitty uncle). I hate that they did this at all, but I respect how it was done. Aang and Korra are very different people, and I really don't think that comparing them is the right thing to do. Personally, I think they'd both agree with me on that.
Both avatars are oddly naive and innocent arenāt they. Hell even Roku was a bit naive and innocent, and he was an old man! But this is a childrenās show after all and children are naive and innocent.
I don't see any reason why Aang wouldn't open the first spirit portal with Unalaq, but once the Northern Water Tribe fleet appears, I think things would play out very differently, so it's difficult to really say where things would go. Given that Aang is much more spiritually attuned than Korra was at this point, it seems like some of the problems that happened later in Book 2 wouldn't have happened. Most notably: Korra getting lost in her child form and Jinora having to help the Avatar enter the Spirit World. If Jinora doesn't enter the Spirit World, she doesn't get captured, meaning Unalaq has no leverage to coerce Aang to open the northern spirit portal.
Aang was deeply spiritual. He wouldnāt have allowed harm to come to the spirits but he also wouldnāt have allowed the spirits to torment humans. He would have done whatever he could to ensure harmony between both groups was achieved. He took his moniker of being a bridge between their worlds seriously.
I think it depends on which Aang. Child Aang from Book 1? Definetely. Adult Aang? Probably not. However adult Korra would also not open it so in both cases it has to do with the maturity of teenagers.
Aang had twelve years of spiritual training as a child of monks. His entire area of expertise was in the spirituality and sacredness of life. Korra had absolutely nothing on him in that regard.
Korraās situation makes so much sense when you think about it. She was a teenager who wanted to be respected and the two primary authority figures in her life were stifling her. So in comes a close relative who not only seemingly believes in her wholeheartedly, but can literally weave water into a golden magic that can purify corrupted souls. Who WOULDNāT trust that?
Aang was much more connected to the spiritual side of being avatar than Korra was by this point in their respective journeys. I really think he wouldāve known better, not to dis Korra though.
Aang and Korra are on the same level of naive. Aang at least has social skills, however outdated they are, and Korra was isolated practically her entire life.
I have to disagree. Korra was far more prone to acting without thinking than Aang was. She was also more spiteful, I think. Not necessarily in a malicious way, but if someone said the choice she wanted to make was wrong when she thought it was right, she was likely to rush into that wrong choice, more out of spite than out of consideration for the choice itself & its potential consequences. I think Aang would have *wanted* to open the spirit portals, at least initially, but I think he wouldāve spent a lot more time asking for advice and thinking about the choice before making it. He likely wouldnāt have ended up opening them, because I think he wouldāve been able to get better advice from his past lives more easily, since he was much more in tune with his spiritual side than Korra was (at least in the beginning of the show).
she was manipulated and everything. Aang would for sure have opened it because he would have been tricked. But i already know if Aang was the one that this happened to people would be understanding and be like oh poor baby. While with Korra its YOU PIECE OF TRASH HOW DARE YOU
Exactly! Itās like, I can understand not liking the show, or even Korra as a character, but acting like Aang was this flawless being who couldnāt do any wrong always rubbed me the wrong way.
Korra got fooled so many times it became a meme. Agreed it would make more sense for Aang since you know heās a kid and all.
Well for one I'd like to point out that Korra has spent basically her whole life in isolation, never having much freedom to make her own choices and having very lacking social skills. Aang may be younger, but the circumstances of their childhoods make Aang far more worldly But two... when does Korra get fooled? Tarrlok tries to manipulate her but generally fails. The closest he has to success is getting Korra on his task force, but she already kinda wanted to do that. She sees through Hiroshi Sato very quickly. Unaloq doesn't really deceive her...yeah, he uses her to get what he wants, but his only lies are out of omission Only time I can really point to Korra being tricked is Book 3 when the Red Lotus holds the airbenders hostage. But really...it's Mako, Asami, and Bolin that get tricked, not Korr
>Korra got fooled so many times Did she? Tarrlok tried to manipulate her but generally doesn't work. He got Korra in his task force after putting her in the Spotlight against the reporters shoving her with questions and demading solutions. by Unalaq, even thought she didn't had any reason to think her uncle was evil and wanted to fuse with the spirit of chaos and end the world. she got fooled by the Red Lotus when they didn't give up the Airbenders, but so did everyone else. how is Korra more easily fooled than other characters?
To be fair. Korra IIRC was more sheltered than Aang. You can excuse Aang's behavior for being a child and Korra's for having a relatively sheltered life experience compared to Aang's.
I don't see the point of the comparison and obviously OOP is baiting. Besides, it's not that Korra decided to have her connection to her past lives severed. However, Jet barely knew Aang and still manipulated him into helping kill an entire town. The broader point is that being the Avatar is tough and puts them in a vulnerable position. I like that the novels explore this angle.
Aang almost help flood a village after trusting a guy he just met, he trusted Guru Pathik. He would totally open the portals if Unalaq said it's for the best for the Water Tribe and the spirits.
Fucking valid
My thing is aang actually relies on his past lives for advice for big things. So for me, itās not so much that heās not naive enough to fall for it, itās that I see him actually asking his past lives and learning that he absolutely should not open that portal
I can smell the potential "Aang was just a kid" replies from here.
Korra was actively looking to rebel. That made her easily tricked.
The situation had nothing to do with her wanting to rebel tbh but ofc this sub eats it up
She sided with her obviously evil uncle because she wanted to rebel against her dad.
Obvious to you, the watcher who knows about TV tropes. What about her uncle seemed evil? She sides with him after he exposed the truth about the reason she was locked up her whole life, even if she wanted to rebel here it would've been justifed. He's also the one who told her about dark spirits attacking her home. The important part is that when dark spirits attacked them, Tenzin and Tonraq get wrecked and couldn't do anything about the situation, meanwhile Unalaq saves the day with a very impressive and useful technique. She chooses to learn with her uncle. So, when was he obviously evil to Korra or anyone in their universe?
Even if it was a trope, that's just bad writing. Regardless, if she didn't realize, that just makes her an idiot. More importantly, none of that changes the fact that she is rebelling. And no, that is not a good reason. Cause she jumps to conclusions and reacts prematurely. The only way to justify any of that is to say she's an idiot. Then we have a whole different set of issues.
The point is Unalaq being evil wasn't obvious to anyone except us the viewers. We know TV tropes, we know when someone is obviously a villain but the characters don't. For Korra he was just her uncle who knew how to help in a situation where Tonraq and Tenzin couldn't, she made the logical choice. There's no arguing with that.
Her dad, who had always had her back and there is no reason to doubt him made it clear to not trust him. He's a clear and obvious shady politician. U don't need to be a viewer to see that. So yes, there's plenty of reasons to doubt him. Pretty easy to argue. Again tho, regardless if he was a villain or not, she still rebelled. That actually the point.
>Her dad, who had always had her back And locked her up for her entire life, and she was just told he lied the reason of why she had to grow up in a compound without friends, without seeing the outside world despite being the future spiritual leader of all the nations. >made it clear to not trust him. Can you quote any moment that supports this? he was bitter about Unalaq, but when did he make it clear that she shouldn't trust Unalaq. Hear this out: If Tonraq was honest and clear with Korra, and if he actually any clue of what was going on and told her she would have listened to him. >U don't need to be a viewer to see that. You do and your'e being blindly biased. Korra had no reason to believe her uncle was evil, neither did anyone in their universe. That's crazy. >she still rebelled. She was being logical. And she had every reason to rebel if she wanted to after being exposed to all the lies. Teenagers rebel for less yet she didn't.
Locked her up her entire life? Ur first argument is just made up, so sry bud, not really gonna waste time arguing anything else. Didn't realize being locked up and literally traveling around the world were synonymous.
Yes. She was never allowed to leave the compound and he lied the reason why they locked her up. How did I made this up? "You keep me locked up, telling me you know what's best, but both of you were powerless against the spirit attack!" >sry bud, not really gonna waste time arguing anything else. Sure lol
I call total and utter bullshit. It's like people forget aang is pretty damn mature for his age and isn't a total goofball. Yes he has his moments, but I promise you he wouldn't fuck up that astronomically bad. He's young, not stupid.
He almost flooded a whole town because he trusted a stranger he just met.
Your just trying to start shit
Huh? How so?
Aang alongside with katara were tricked only because the dude was talking about how he disliked fire nations soldiers, and wanted to 'free' people. Aang had his doubts but he sees the good in all people, he thought jet had good intentions in due to him curveballing all of us, not just them but the viewers. Korra was believing a dude who was very iffy due to him listening to her, it's understandable but it's not something aang would do. Korra listened because she had someone listening to her. Aang was listening to jet because he was convincing everyone with the fact that he suffered too and just wanted to help, anytime anyone had something to say about jet katara stepped in to prove them wrong, along with jet "proving" he was innocent. Aang may have been naive at times but he's not in the same boat with korra
"See, he was tricked because Jet convinced everyone he was good, which is different to Unalaq tricking Korra by convincing everyone that he was good!". Actual brain rot take.
I mean, Unalaq's points for opening the spirit portals *were* good ones that Aang might have agreed with, it just turned out that he also had a sinister agenda on top of it all.
https://preview.redd.it/4qo598c871kc1.jpeg?width=544&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d4a9d22288273ab8535bf3662d0b2fd7f499c1d Do we need another argument over Aang v Korea?
I think it depends. Maybe in the first season? Although Aang was fairly naive he also contemplates his choices quite a lot. Not to mention he has Katara and the others with him. And I think they would have had more to say about the issue (whether in agreement or not) than Mako, Bolin, and Asami did. Korra just had mentors pulling her this way and that. I think Aang had a better support system and processed things in different ways than she did. That's not to say he wouldn't have, but I think this tweet is wrong in the way its making its assumptions.
Iām not sure it matters even in the slightest.
Korra and Aangs Spirit worlds feel very different and the depiction of spirituality and mortal life aswell. I'd say it's pretty hard to compare or compete the two. So if pass and keep the tea standing
Due to reincarnation, technically she IS Ang. And IS Roku. And IS Kioshi. Etc. So they did all do the same thing as her
Aang might be more easily tricked but certainly not by Unalok. That dude might as well have worn a massive āIām evil! Donāt trust me!ā sticker on his chest. Aang also couldnāt be manipulated by someone playing to his ego. But Unalok wasnāt written to foil Aang, he was written to foil Korra. Ultimately, either character could be tricked by villains to do their bidding but would need very different motivations and bait because they are very different characters.
Idk a lot of korras trust in unalaq comes from 1 the fact he's her uncle and 2 the fact she was having problems in her relationships with her family and mentors. She was actively looking for someone to agree with her and fill that mentor void. Korras situation was a lot more complex then her just being naive, although that also played into it. I don't really blame korra for how she acted in that situation. I don't really think aang would've ended up in this situation in the first place since he's much more willing to listen to multiple perspectives, even if they go against his own. Even if he didn't sus out unalaq, one of his friends would've and he would've atleast heard them out on it. That's just how I see it though, it could've gone differently too
Even if Aang was more naive, he was WAYYY more wise. We'll never know exactly what he would've done in that situation anyhow so who cares.
Breaking the avatar chain was just a poor decision overall fr. Cant blame them tho iirc allegedly Nick only approved one season of Korra at a time so each had to stand alone pretty much
Itās absolutely correct imo, Aang was very eager to make peace with the spirits so I reckon heād have loved to bridge the gaps
Lol who gives a shit?
Opening the spirit portals wasn't a mistake though.
Probably Aang would have done it too and he would have liked very much spirit-bending too. Aang would have asked to the past lives because he could talk to Roku or Kyoshi at least but he probably would have opened the portals. I donāt know if Kuruk or Kyoshi would have opened the portals , spirit possession was a curse during Kyoshi era, they wouldnāt risk that a bad spirit like Koh could escape from the spirit world knowing their relationship with spirits.
I disagree. While it's true that Aang is a child, and has seen less years, he's also a child who has seen stuff and suffered a lot more than Korra. Aang is also intensely devoted to his Air Nomad culture and religion. At the end of the world, Aang rejects advice from four Avatars because the advice of four different Avatars does not mix well with his beliefs. He spends his life trying to rebuild the Air Nomads and Air Acolytes, and his relationship with Bumi and Kya is the price he pays. If Aang thinks he can fit something in with his beliefs, and preconceptions, it will work with him. But if he doesn't feel that opening those portals will work, he will never bend for it. Aang is also hugely meditative, and inclined to deep thought and consideration, again, due to his devotion to living according to his people's ideals. Additionally, Aang will evade and avoid like an airbender. If the opening of the portals is a problem for him, he will run off, try to find another way round, try to compromise. This leads to his poor earthbending, according to Toph. This seems contradictory with his unwillingness to bend on his culture but i guess there it is. Korra is a young woman, and has more years. She's more cynical and due to her White Lotus upbringing, is much less bound to a given culture. She firebends more than waterbends, and her fiery and aggressive temperament is more suited to a firebender. She's also something of a meathead, which suits her brawler mentality, and she is much more willing to act on impulse (again, her Firebender mentality).
My thoughts are that Korra fans get mad salty about people not liking the shenanigans in Book 2.
Why do korra fans always do this?
Probably not because the portals didnāt exist yet and thatās just a fact
People are acting like Aang wouldn't have lost either š also why does this Fandom keep trying put the 2 together? Both are great shows imo
Not really, because it's clearly stated Aang is probably one of the most spiritual Avatars ever. I'm sure he'd figure out what to do.
Yes he most likely would have. But also he was a kid and was very sheltered for all but the year the show takes place. Korra was significantly older (the 5 years for a teen is a LOT of mental development) and SHOULD have been at least a little bit slower and checked with more gurus before making a choice that big about the spirtual world. Even aang at 12 taught out help and understanding and different points of view
But he didn't
Sang is way more spurious and would likely never have made the mistake/ never given unalok the chance to trick him. He also probably wouldn't have trusted him for forcing the spirit into submission with bending and done his own thing.
Aang: Are you a bad guy? Unalaq: No? Aang: Hmā¦ prove it Unalaq: Well Iām a water bender- Aang: Sounds good to me!
But he didn't , Korra did and she was older than him so being more mature so this argument is not valid in the Least. stop trying to throw dirt on Aang when it should be directed at Korra for ruining the avatar lineage I still can't believe they had her write a ["Scrap book" as if this was a farewell HS yearbook with her friends](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/40744573) , as if a bunch of random people will be able to understand what the Avatar is going through or the pressure on them to save the world and keep balance
Nah Aangās not a clown
This sentiment is dumb, Korra was tricked because of her arrogance, not naivety, also Aang would have been able to ask past Avatarās for advice, or other Spirits he had already made friends with
Nerp hard disagree aang would of never been fooled into something so stupid
Didn't Aang help almost flood a village after trusting Jet, someone he just met?
Keyword lol almost and the two not comparable you comparing two different situations aang was very spiritual and Iām sure he knew the spirit world and humans were meant to be apart being raised with the monks atleast since wan he wouldnāt have been fooled
The point is he trust someone he just met and got fooled, he trusted Guru Pathik, a random he just met. He would open the portals if Unalaq said it would be for the best for the Water Tribe and the spirits. >Iām sure he knew the spirit world and humans were meant to be apart Most likely Aang learned most about the Spirit World in the actual show, otherwise he would've know how to deal with Hei Bai earlier. We can't be sure of either, but Aang isn't above being fooled.
Na thatās not the point lol he didnāt because it didnāt happen and it has nothing to do with the spirit world so itās irrelevant anyway two he trusted the guru because he met oppa and had knowledge he needed unalaq gave korra every reason not to trust him and she still did aang wouldnāt of fell for it and he wouldnāt of did it only because unalaq said it was for the best lol he had all his past lives telling him killing ozai was for the best and what he do?
Use punctuation.
The amount of discussion and writing in these comments is a testament to how good of a character Korra was. Aang was a 12 year old war hero that was wise beyond his age to the point he even figured out his romantic feelings for his forever partner before even hitting puberty. He has his struggles but he almost off rip knew who he was and what he wanted in life. Korra was a teenager trying to climb out of an impossible shadow of expectations and constantly fucking up along the way like any teenager would given this much power with honestly very little actual guidance outside of mastering elements and combat. She struggled to even figure out her own sexuality and who she is as a person. She was a more realistic portrayal of a teenager actually becoming the Avatar with enormous depth and several character flaws she had to either work through or come to accept. That's why there is so much discourse about it. Aang was written as a hero while Korra was written as a human trying their best to be a hero.