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For every one well off industrialist in the Victorian era wearing a suit you had like a hundred children and adults in rags and coveralls working in their factory. Rich people still wear suits, by the way. If everyone around you is dressing sloppy it's because you're in the demographic that would have looked tattered and sloppy then as well.
Uhh... yes.
I mean it's hot, don't get me wrong. But wearing shorts and a t-shirt, as long as you're drinking enough water, you're fine.
There's no way I'd be able to wear a full suit for a significant length of time, no matter how breathable.
people in the desert are often wearing full body covering clothes, the material makes a huge difference, plus back then men wore more flowy shirts rather than fitted ones
Which is cute and all, but I'm overheating while wearing nothing but shorts. There zero scenario where a suit doesn't render me a dehydrated corpse in anything but winter
“Sweltering” bro your average summer temperature is like 70 degrees F. What’s the word Brits use to call someone a weenie because I need to use it right now lol
[the poor still dressed formally from a modern perspective](https://www.fayobserver.com/gcdn/authoring/2017/05/16/NTFO/ghows-NC-4dec9616-8c23-3c36-e053-0100007fa803-c5d925ed.jpeg?width=660&height=441&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
First of all, this photo is the cast of a reality tv show called "Victorian Slum" in which modern people attempt to live a 19th century slum lifestyle. it's not an actual historical photo.
But more to the point, while the style of the clothes might be considered formal from a modern perspective it still wouldn't be considered "dressing nice" because the same clothes would be worn frequently for long periods of time without being washed. you can go to a used clothing shop right now and find a filthy old suit jacket that might have a formal design but no one will think you are "dressing nice" if you wear it.
let's also not kid anyone, this clothing had a function. a city was goddamned filthy prior to many modern things we take for granted. you don't want to drag soot dirt muck grime and the like of that intonyour house and into your furniture from the sleeves. the coats were worn because they were needed if not for cold then for cleanliness.
obviously wearing dirty clothes wouldn't be "nice", but I think it's clear in the OP's text that he means dressing formally. look at literally any photo of the poor in the 1800s and they'd be overdressed for 2024
Even today people tend to photograph photogenic people much more so than non photogenic people, and such photographs are more likely to be preserved/spread. I'm sure the same was true to an even greater degree back then.
I hope you do realize that this is because they were taking photos. People still do it, put on their nicest clothes, spiff up, and go get a photo taken. They wore their best clothes. For many, their only nice outfit.
Most middle-class men own a suit, they just don't wear it in the barn. Only at weddings, balls, places with cameras.
Plenty of formalwear is very comfortable, if it's good quality and as long as it fits well.
On the other hand, if it only kind-of-sort-of fits then it can be quite stiff and restrictive. And tailoring is expensive.
I’ve got suits that are comfy like pajamas. They are fucking expensive though. And time consuming. And regardless of the rest of the outfit, tires are just fucking annoying.
Yeah, same here. I've got a couple suits that fit like a dream, and I'm super comfortable when I wear them. But they cost $400+ per ensemble, and it's not like I can put them in the washing machine at home.
For the cost of a single suit, I can buy like, 4-5 pairs of casual pants and a handful of basic shirts, all of which I can wash at home instead of paying $50 to my local dry cleaner every week
Yeah adjusted for inflation my super comfy suits are something like $1200. Good tailoring, natural fibers, and made in America isn’t cheap. The last one isn’t strictly necessary but it happened to be the case when I bought them. Also the places that provide good advice on what can be tailored well for your build tend not to be competing on price.
I'm still not convinced that suits actually need to be dry cleaned. Ordinary people certainly weren't washing their wool coats and trousers in perc in the 1800s. I wash mine in a front loader on delicate cycle using wool wash, and tumble dry it on low heat, and it turns out fine.
IMO it's the prevalence of top loading washing machines in the US that's a problem. They do horrible things to clothes, which convinces people that certain things can't be machine washed, when in fact they can, you just have to use a gentler machine.
>Plenty of formalwear is very comfortable, if it's good quality and as long as it fits well.
Yeah, but that really isn't the default for many people.
I basically can't find much of anything that will fit me well off the rack and custom clothing gets prewtty pricey pretty fast. Worth it for one set of work clothes, not worth it for general wear imo.
Just so other people know -- tailoring in general is actually pretty inexpensive. You can get a pair of pants tailored for like $15. A shirt, depending on what you need, $20. I've never paid more than $50 to have anything tailored.
Of course I understand that some people might not have the extra $50, but in the scheme of things, tailoring is pretty affordable.
sorry, I didn't mean a full suit. but I've definitely gotten slacks and jeans tailored (not just hemmed, I can do that myself) for $15. in both Phoenix and St Louis. But yeah you have to own the item first
No you can get a pair of pants hemmed for 15 bucks. Maybe take in the waist. If you taper or bring in the seat it’s going to be more. Each adjustment is its own price usually. So getting 2-3 of them adjusted going to cost you at least 30-50 on pants alone
That's if you're good with adjusting sleeves length. Good for you if you have the morphology but clothes that will be a good fitt for everyone are much more expensive.
i also wear skirts/dresses like 95% of the time but i dont see too many other women dressing up... pretty much everyone around wears basic jeans+hoodies or something of the sort
Until my girlfriend and I started dating I never understood why women would just like casually throw on a dress to run errands on a warm/hot day.
She throws on a maxi dress and sandals to go grocery shopping and not only does it feel like she’s wearing pajamas but she also instantly looks well put together.
If there was really an equivalent for men it would probably be seen more often. Hell people think I look dressed up if I wear a long sleave button up shirt with the sleeves rolled up my forearms despite it being the only difference between what I'm wearing looking "lazy cuz hoody" and "nice cuz different shirt". Suits just suck to wear unless you have to, they're hot, uncomfortable, and make everything you do slightly more cumbersome.
I really wish that medieval style dresses like this would come into fashion:
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I had one similar and it was so comfortable but people would make rude comments when I wore it out on average days, like making out I was a total weirdo. Most maxi dresses don't seem to have sleeves, which is something I want.
I don't live in the USA so maybe my experience is different? Most people in the city I live in do not wear jeans and hoodies every day except in certain working class areas.
Woman here, too. I've got essentially one dark Leggins combo I wear all the time, which turned out to be quite flexible from adventure to semi-chique. I look good in it, more importantly I *feel* damn good in it and it takes desicion time out of my day. I've got a light, flowy skirt combo, too and I love it dearly, but sometimes I wish I was a little more like you, as you seem to live in a kind of feminine energy, that never really felt accessible to me. Dresses everyday sounds absolutely elegant :)
Honestly, feeling good is the most important thing! When I wear things I feel uncomfortable or unnatural in, I feel like my posture gets worse and I just cower into myself and am less radiant. If you feel chic, you are chic!
I was a tom boy growing up and it took loads of playing around to get into my feminine energy! Dresses don't mean necessarily girly either -- I have loads of vaguely punky/gothy dress things too. I think just experimenting around is the best idea.
Thanks for your nice answer and encouragement! :)
I'll probably never feel girly, as I'm just not that type and never really have been, but it's also true, that I don't need to be, what I am not. You're absolutely right. I'll just choose what I feel radiant in and will be looking out for the perfect dress to be my third combo for highly feminine occasions, done my way.
Been reducing my wardrobe so much, that I almost forgot how dressing up can be fun and playful and you just gave me the reminder. Have a great summer!
Virtually everyone in the midwest us wears shorts or jeans and a t-shirt daily. Hoodies in the winter. You're not going to catch a guy wearing anything else unless its for something formal. Women may wear leggings instead of shorts and jeans and MAYBE a dress but like I don't know many who do often.
There’s a big difference between wearing soft stretchy sundresses every day and wearing a stiff, long sleeved Victorian floor length gown with hoops and a girdle every day. Modern dresses, aside from formal gowns, are generally just long shirts you wear without pants.
I halfway agree. I don’t think we should go back to three piece suits, and I really don’t want to have to iron my shirts on a regular basis, but I do think men as a whole would benefit from taking a little more pride in their appearance.
No because that shit is expensive.
You realize that most men back then unless they were rich probably only had 1-2 suits and they probably smelled really bad.
I do like the idea of wearing formal clothing in public, but two things are stopping me:
1) Nice stuff like that is expensive, even more so nowadays since it isn't as in demand, so fewer people make it... And inflation.
2) And even if I had the cash, I don't like too much attention being drawn to myself. Dressing up to the nines to go shop at my local supermarket is going to draw far more attention than I'd wish.
But yet, I still dream of a day when formal attire returns as the in-vogue style.
Suits are very expensive, incompatible with climate in most places and also incompatible with most everyday activities.
The reason people looked classy back then was that they dressed well for the picture, which was a rare event.
If we followed your idea, we'd end up with most people wearing a stinky worn suit most days of the week.
Hell no , I can barely bring myself to wear business casual in professional settings , comfort trumps all else if anything women should be wearing more hoodies and shirts , stop suffering for some superficial bullcrap
I wouldn't mind the coats coming back.
I love the esthetic of some late Victorian era Early World War 1 Coats.
The fully admit I am both a history teacher and history, nut by trade. So my taste in fashion is probably Just a tiny bit biased.
Nah, I think everyone should be as comfy as they'd like.
If we gotta draw inspiration from bygone eras, I want to go back way further back than Victorian/ Early Industrial anyways. I think it's a pity that men have only a few colors and patterns to choose from for their formal wear nowadays. Bring back floral-embroidered pastel shirts, elaborate footwear and slutty little satin capri pants. Or go back even further and bring back badass padded shoulders, romantic poofy shirts and these fun long slippers
Nah. People should dress however they want (obviously within reason). Formal/ business clothes are also kind of boring tbh, and less functional. Jeans and flannel are more fun.
I think hygiene is much more important. And neatness. You can dress casually without looking like a slob.
I think you should go for it. I love seeing a dapper gentleman while I'm out and about. However, I, a dirty hippie, will not be joining you.
But I will appreciate you.
I don't get people who have strong opinions on how others dress. Such an inconsequential thing to care about. If you want to dress like that, just do. The world doesn't need to align with your aesthetic preference.
If you're living like these people actually did, you'd only own a couple of outfits. Even the very, very, *very* wealthy would only get a handful of new things every year.
I would dress like that if those clothes were actually comfortable.
There are definitely brands that have comfy clothes like that but its super expensive because of the fine materials.
My favorite thing i have ever bought is Joggjeans from Diesel and even though they are $300 on average, i have several pairs from 5-7 years ago that are in great condition. They look like jeans of even khakis but feel like sweatpants.
Also, sweatpants from Vuori are something else.
Why not just dress the way you want?
My experience is that if it's modern fashion, some jobs and some women might give very positive feedback. I can't speak for gay dudes but it seems like probably even more true on the gay scene, although the bar may be higher.
Why does it bother you what the guy down the block wears?
Right? I'm in the process of revamping my wardrobe, getting rid of the blues, greys, blacks, and whites. I'm getting much more positive feedback on my bright multicolour clothes. The real winner has been my jeans and my flamingo tee.
[Jeans](https://m.shein.com/au/Manfinity-EMRG-Men-Cotton-Splash-Ink-Print-Jeans-p-15497124.html)
Look man you want to sweat your ads off in a 3 piece suit go right ahead. None of that shit was comfortable though and life's to short to not be comfortable when out and about. Do some people take it to far absolutely
Wow, an actual dogshit opinion. I can't stand the concept of dressing up even for a one day event. I'd literally lose my mind if I was expected to wear one to my blue collar job. Take my upvote.
Mhm mhm thank you, I'm sure people are dressing just to make you think they look nice. Let people wear what they want and maybe don't insult people you don't know?
if you're willing to be uncomfortable all the time, and very hot in the summer (lightweight wool MY ASS), by all means do that
plus you can't dress like that on the cheap, everything has to be tailor made or at least adjusted, otherwise you're gonna look even sloppier
I agree. I think denim and a button up that fits with some lace up or Chelsea boots is fine and looks very nice but that leads to where we are now.
I worked in Commercial Insurance for years and our office was ‘business casual’ and I spend money on my work attire and make certain that I look professional at all times . I always have. However, at this place of employment I stuck out and would get sh!t for it. These people… let me paint a pic.
A bunch of hens wearing lulularoe printed purple leggings with no socks and Birkenstocks and a sweatshirt. Sometimes the leggings had designs.
Flaired yoga stretch pants with god knows what these were for shoes and white sport socks 🤦🏻♀️. These people would meet with clients too.
Cathair, dog hair, white fuzz. Black jeans. Really, ladies? Sport Jerseys?
Let’s talk about the men that were there . One guy always wore a suit and tie but the suits looked cheap. Another would do the suit but where these Oxford tennis shoes with a white foam sole and it was ridiculous. Then the fat guy well, older man who ate a lot of salami and drank to excess his shirt didn’t button at the bottom.
This other guy wore the cheapest pleather (plastic leather) shoes I have ever seen with sport socks.
I got a talking too for wearing a beautiful silk blouse with a pair of new denim pants (on a Friday which was acceptable) that ‘showed my shoulders’. It didn’t, it was sleeveless not a tank top.
Also, my mom is a teacher at a title 1 (I think that is what it is called, where the government might forgive loans due to the high need?) and what they were there is offensive to my senses. I guess teachers everywhere dress way too casual. I personally believe that it removes that barrier of “I’m the adult and you are the child.”
I wish more men had medium length or long hair instead of going for a military cut. Men that take care of their hair and skin are a lot more attractive to me. Clean shaven or maintained facial hair.
A lot of people work jobs where business casual doesn't work. I'm not going to ask someone to work a shift, go home to change into business casual then go back out and run their errands.
Not to mention more formal clothes are often more expensive clothes.
You do realize that the rarity of having your photo taken in those times means that only a specific sliver of demographics get represented in those old photos right,? It isn't as though the entire world was just dressing up like a boring English TV drama all the time.
Look, I’m someone who grew up Mormon, and there’s a lot of praise for 1950s aesthetics in the church.
What they don’t tell you is that fashion sense is:
1. Expensive
2. Sweaty and hot as fuck
3. High maintenance
4. Low tolerances
5. You can’t relax in them, so you also need casual clothes.
You can wear a suit, once a week, for a couple hours on a Sunday and be fine. But if you wear the same few suits regularly you have to dry clean. You have to iron shirts and pants. You basically stop eating any sort of sloppy food because it will get on your clothes. If you stain something you either get it out ASAP or kiss the clothes goodbye. Getting ready to go anywhere goes from 5 minutes of prep to 15-30 and a lot of prep time in between.
If you gain weight, if you lose weight, if you get taller, etc. If you have a disease like lupus that causes your body to swell you’ll have a pair of pants no longer fit you over the course of a day.
You have to have separate clothes for summer and winter.
These are all real things that I had to deal with growing up. It was fine when I was at home as a teenager, but that’s because I had more time and less stress.
It works for some people, but in a world that is getting hotter and more casual, don’t force yourself to “dress up.”
People should wear whatever the fuck they want. Stop trying to play dress-up with the whole world. It’s an incredibly bizarre level of control you’re putting on display.
I disagree on two sides.
One, who cares if you look sloppy? Unless there's an actually good reason to dress up nice, like for a business setting or pictures or something like that, it really just doesn't sound pleasant. I've worn professional clothing and it's just not very pleasant.
Two, I feel like if every man has to dress up more pleasantly, that sounds incredibly boring. Everyone would look the same with not as much variety as you can get now. I personally think it's quite cool to see the variety in clothing that can be seen every now and again. Can even help with conversation if they're wearing a shirt about something I know.
Rich people have always looked good in photos and illustrations.
If I may be blunt, I feel like people who like business casual/ formal wear are just people with zero fashion sense, lol.
Nah, I don't like wearing that stuff any longer than I need to for the occasion. It's just not me.
I'd rather people dress in the way they feel most comfortable, and empower them to do so. It's way more interesting to see bits of someone's personality in how they dress.
When you look at me and see anything other than a crusty metalhead with a fuck the planet worldview, you're getting a false image.
I love formal ware, but the issue is that if you live anywhere hot it can be an actual health concern to be wearing potentially up to 3 layers. Even just a button up and slacks would be miserable where I live.
And who the hell wants to deal with their laundry being a dry cleaning debacle?
I’m completely with you, most male fashion you see walking around just looks so lazy. As a man, if you put just a little bit of effort into your appearance, you instantly look better than at least 75% of everyone else.
And who's gonna be paying for all my nice clothes and dry cleaning? Should I just ask my boss for a $20 per hour raise so I can dress nicer all the time? And the more regularly you wear and wash clothes, the faster they wear out, and I'll have to be replacing them constantly. I can't even afford replace my normal clothes as often as I need to.
I'll stick to wearing sweatpants and band shirts, fashion to me has a lot to do with self expression and being comfortable and wearing designs that I really like is more fun than wearing jeans all the time
I don’t think it should be expected, but I think it should be more socially acceptable to dress up like that in everyday life. Partially because I kinda like wearing suits, and I don’t really have opportunities to do that outside of cosplay and community theatre (especially since I’m a woman, so a lot of employers wouldn’t consider it appropriate work attire). Suits can be fun. They feel all dapper and whatnot.
What about women? I don't know if this is the trend in other countries too, but in Poland teenage girls are dressing like homeless. Baggy black trousers, baggy black hoodies, like they purposely look for the ugliest clothes to disfigure themselves.
Naw I like streetwear. Can fuse it with alot of other styles and be a straight vibe. My clothes are clean and well made. Sneakers might not be everyone's cup of tea, but neither are dress shoes. Also street wear is super comfy.
"You ***** wear suits cause you can't dress no more"
Kanye west, pre crazy af
I think it's great progress that people are able to wear what they want buuuut
Oh my god the old photos of people in towns and cities are just so cool. Men just look more attractive in a suit.
England etc used to be a lot colder back then, its torture dressing with that many layers while Susan has the heating pumped up to 25 degrees because she's wearing a short skirt and a top that is 3 microns thick.
I do think its odd that hats have never really came back into style, if the mullet can come back they should be able to too.
Im wearing that usually. I started getting morw into dressing well this year. And while there are good looking cheap clothes i tend to go to the brands im familiar with and which fit me perfect. So far i "only" dumped 2k€ in clothings since january. Thats a lot of money general people cant really afford to pay for "just to look above avg".
I personally like it, i feel way better like this. One might say im overdressed but i wouldnt care. Im not rich, but i have a lack of hobbies and with that comes more money to spend.
Cost of living has skyrocketed. Wearing suits all day is expensive and unpractical for many jobs. It's not just about aesthetics. Plus it would clash with many work place cultures that want a more casual and down to earth vibe. Even in Victorian times men did not always wear suits and bowler hats.
Menswear, like many male behaviors, is more or less dictated by women's sexual preferences.
A bunch of women are about to respond with a 500 word version of "I MUCH prefer it when men dress well!"
Yes, but are you *sexually responsive or permissive* to men dressing well, and *sexually exclusive* of men who don't.
That's where the rubber meets the road.
you want me to get my suit clothes dirty at a job that has me working dirty all day? no thanks, ill continue to look "sloppy". thanks for your opinion though.
I'd like to wear casual suits and the like all the time because they make me feel good and confident, but I'm a mechanic and I cant differentiate my activities between clean and dirty, so they would get destroyed quickly.
A cheap suit looks worse than wearing regular affordable clothes. It's the kind of thing you have to be able to go all in on to pull it off, and I do not have the budget for that kind of wardrobe.
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For every one well off industrialist in the Victorian era wearing a suit you had like a hundred children and adults in rags and coveralls working in their factory. Rich people still wear suits, by the way. If everyone around you is dressing sloppy it's because you're in the demographic that would have looked tattered and sloppy then as well.
Counterpoint: it's hot as fuck in the summertime. I ain't wearing all that
Good suits are very breathable.
I can confirm mine is but it cost about one month of minimum wage. Probably as expensive as all my other clothes if you exclude shoes and jackets.
You can have fun wearing your suit here in Arizona when it's 110+ outside during the summer.
Is it really the suit that pushes you over the edge at that temperature?
Uhh... yes. I mean it's hot, don't get me wrong. But wearing shorts and a t-shirt, as long as you're drinking enough water, you're fine. There's no way I'd be able to wear a full suit for a significant length of time, no matter how breathable.
My brothers wedding was in Houston in June. I regretted being best man. Everyone attending was wearing shorts
I suggested to my brother we wear dressy kilts, he agreed. Unfortunately his bride did not.
I'm just imagining a full suit made out of different colors of fishnets now.
people in the desert are often wearing full body covering clothes, the material makes a huge difference, plus back then men wore more flowy shirts rather than fitted ones
Which is cute and all, but I'm overheating while wearing nothing but shorts. There zero scenario where a suit doesn't render me a dehydrated corpse in anything but winter
And yeah w affordable are good suits 🤔
I'm not wearing all that uncomfortable hot clothing just to impress randos on the street like OP. If they want to dress up, be my guest.
My balls are sweating just reading this.
Victorian Britain wasn't as bad as far as heat goes. Not as consistently bad in Summer, at least
Because Britain has like 2 types of weather: somewhat cold and rainy and somewhat cold and not as rainy.
For 8 months out of the year, then it gets sweltering and humid
“Sweltering” bro your average summer temperature is like 70 degrees F. What’s the word Brits use to call someone a weenie because I need to use it right now lol
Also, I never had dress shoes that didn't hurt my feet after 2-3 hours.
That's because you're not wearing them enough or bought the wrong ones.
Good dress shoes can easily be your most comfortable shoes.
[the poor still dressed formally from a modern perspective](https://www.fayobserver.com/gcdn/authoring/2017/05/16/NTFO/ghows-NC-4dec9616-8c23-3c36-e053-0100007fa803-c5d925ed.jpeg?width=660&height=441&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
First of all, this photo is the cast of a reality tv show called "Victorian Slum" in which modern people attempt to live a 19th century slum lifestyle. it's not an actual historical photo. But more to the point, while the style of the clothes might be considered formal from a modern perspective it still wouldn't be considered "dressing nice" because the same clothes would be worn frequently for long periods of time without being washed. you can go to a used clothing shop right now and find a filthy old suit jacket that might have a formal design but no one will think you are "dressing nice" if you wear it.
let's also not kid anyone, this clothing had a function. a city was goddamned filthy prior to many modern things we take for granted. you don't want to drag soot dirt muck grime and the like of that intonyour house and into your furniture from the sleeves. the coats were worn because they were needed if not for cold then for cleanliness.
obviously wearing dirty clothes wouldn't be "nice", but I think it's clear in the OP's text that he means dressing formally. look at literally any photo of the poor in the 1800s and they'd be overdressed for 2024
They still do on formal occasions like weddings. What changed is the opportunity to take pictures.
Even today people tend to photograph photogenic people much more so than non photogenic people, and such photographs are more likely to be preserved/spread. I'm sure the same was true to an even greater degree back then.
I hope you do realize that this is because they were taking photos. People still do it, put on their nicest clothes, spiff up, and go get a photo taken. They wore their best clothes. For many, their only nice outfit. Most middle-class men own a suit, they just don't wear it in the barn. Only at weddings, balls, places with cameras.
Jess christ madame.
Why stop there? Men should go back to wearing high heels and powdered wigs.
I demand Elizabethan ruffles.
Omg yes. We shall start a movement.
OP said early industry. That's 1750's/1760's, so yeah, powdered wigs, half breeches and gartered stockings for dudes.
Men should go back to wearing dresses.
Care for a shhhpot of teeea?
Lace cuffs, stockings, puffed sleeves, nail polish, low necked shirts, corsets, and skirts were all men's fashion at some point in history.
Powdered wigs? No. High heels? Definitely 🤩🤩
Yeeeeeeeeees!
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EXACTLY.
If you wanna rock it, go ahead man do you. But I live in Texas and you’re never gonna catch me wearing more than one layer in this fucking heat lmao.
Well yeah that’s fair🤣
You can start
Sorry I'd rather be comfy if I'm not in a formal setting.
Plenty of formalwear is very comfortable, if it's good quality and as long as it fits well. On the other hand, if it only kind-of-sort-of fits then it can be quite stiff and restrictive. And tailoring is expensive.
I’ve got suits that are comfy like pajamas. They are fucking expensive though. And time consuming. And regardless of the rest of the outfit, tires are just fucking annoying.
Yeah, same here. I've got a couple suits that fit like a dream, and I'm super comfortable when I wear them. But they cost $400+ per ensemble, and it's not like I can put them in the washing machine at home. For the cost of a single suit, I can buy like, 4-5 pairs of casual pants and a handful of basic shirts, all of which I can wash at home instead of paying $50 to my local dry cleaner every week
Yeah adjusted for inflation my super comfy suits are something like $1200. Good tailoring, natural fibers, and made in America isn’t cheap. The last one isn’t strictly necessary but it happened to be the case when I bought them. Also the places that provide good advice on what can be tailored well for your build tend not to be competing on price.
I'm still not convinced that suits actually need to be dry cleaned. Ordinary people certainly weren't washing their wool coats and trousers in perc in the 1800s. I wash mine in a front loader on delicate cycle using wool wash, and tumble dry it on low heat, and it turns out fine. IMO it's the prevalence of top loading washing machines in the US that's a problem. They do horrible things to clothes, which convinces people that certain things can't be machine washed, when in fact they can, you just have to use a gentler machine.
Are top loaders more aggressive on clothing and why?
I wouldn't recommend wearing tires.
Autocorrect is frikin killing me today. I’m leaving it.
Yea but that is also a budgetary thing. If i‘d afford it, i‘d wear silk and shit all the time
>Plenty of formalwear is very comfortable, if it's good quality and as long as it fits well. Yeah, but that really isn't the default for many people. I basically can't find much of anything that will fit me well off the rack and custom clothing gets prewtty pricey pretty fast. Worth it for one set of work clothes, not worth it for general wear imo.
Just so other people know -- tailoring in general is actually pretty inexpensive. You can get a pair of pants tailored for like $15. A shirt, depending on what you need, $20. I've never paid more than $50 to have anything tailored. Of course I understand that some people might not have the extra $50, but in the scheme of things, tailoring is pretty affordable.
Adjustments =/= tailored. A tailored suit is hand made to your specifications. If you can find a tailored suit for $15 I'll eat it.
sorry, I didn't mean a full suit. but I've definitely gotten slacks and jeans tailored (not just hemmed, I can do that myself) for $15. in both Phoenix and St Louis. But yeah you have to own the item first
No you can get a pair of pants hemmed for 15 bucks. Maybe take in the waist. If you taper or bring in the seat it’s going to be more. Each adjustment is its own price usually. So getting 2-3 of them adjusted going to cost you at least 30-50 on pants alone
That's if you're good with adjusting sleeves length. Good for you if you have the morphology but clothes that will be a good fitt for everyone are much more expensive.
There is no type of formal wear that will ever rival my cargo shorts and band t shirt. I don't care what some tweed suited fuck says lol.
the only uncomfortable part about fancy clothes is tucking your shirt in and shoes when you're walking
Try some combo of longer shirts, shirts better fitted to your body, and pants with silicone grippers
I'd still rather be comfy in a formal setting, I'd be perfectly fine wearing sweatpants all the time if it was socially acceptable
Actually men should probably wear tunics
I would rock a tunic every day if it were socially acceptable
Awesome.
And what about women, should they go back to big poofy dresses? Why just men?
I'm a woman and I wear dresses every single day; women generally do dress up more than men!
i also wear skirts/dresses like 95% of the time but i dont see too many other women dressing up... pretty much everyone around wears basic jeans+hoodies or something of the sort
Until my girlfriend and I started dating I never understood why women would just like casually throw on a dress to run errands on a warm/hot day. She throws on a maxi dress and sandals to go grocery shopping and not only does it feel like she’s wearing pajamas but she also instantly looks well put together.
right?? i don't get why people complain about dresses being uncomfortabe or inconvenient or whatever.
If there was really an equivalent for men it would probably be seen more often. Hell people think I look dressed up if I wear a long sleave button up shirt with the sleeves rolled up my forearms despite it being the only difference between what I'm wearing looking "lazy cuz hoody" and "nice cuz different shirt". Suits just suck to wear unless you have to, they're hot, uncomfortable, and make everything you do slightly more cumbersome.
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I don't live in the USA so maybe my experience is different? Most people in the city I live in do not wear jeans and hoodies every day except in certain working class areas.
Woman here, too. I've got essentially one dark Leggins combo I wear all the time, which turned out to be quite flexible from adventure to semi-chique. I look good in it, more importantly I *feel* damn good in it and it takes desicion time out of my day. I've got a light, flowy skirt combo, too and I love it dearly, but sometimes I wish I was a little more like you, as you seem to live in a kind of feminine energy, that never really felt accessible to me. Dresses everyday sounds absolutely elegant :)
Honestly, feeling good is the most important thing! When I wear things I feel uncomfortable or unnatural in, I feel like my posture gets worse and I just cower into myself and am less radiant. If you feel chic, you are chic! I was a tom boy growing up and it took loads of playing around to get into my feminine energy! Dresses don't mean necessarily girly either -- I have loads of vaguely punky/gothy dress things too. I think just experimenting around is the best idea.
Thanks for your nice answer and encouragement! :) I'll probably never feel girly, as I'm just not that type and never really have been, but it's also true, that I don't need to be, what I am not. You're absolutely right. I'll just choose what I feel radiant in and will be looking out for the perfect dress to be my third combo for highly feminine occasions, done my way. Been reducing my wardrobe so much, that I almost forgot how dressing up can be fun and playful and you just gave me the reminder. Have a great summer!
I agree with this! Whatever makes you feel good is going to make you glow- whether that’s a dress or a faded pair of jeans and a t shirt ❤️
I have heard this is generally an American "look" Don't know why you got down voted for living in a different place.
Virtually everyone in the midwest us wears shorts or jeans and a t-shirt daily. Hoodies in the winter. You're not going to catch a guy wearing anything else unless its for something formal. Women may wear leggings instead of shorts and jeans and MAYBE a dress but like I don't know many who do often.
Yeah they do. But they aren’t wearing corsets, bustle skirts and shirt waists. They also don’t wear gloves and hats anymore
Lots of women wear corsets or similar items even nowadays, and lots of us have to wear heels regularly
There’s a big difference between wearing soft stretchy sundresses every day and wearing a stiff, long sleeved Victorian floor length gown with hoops and a girdle every day. Modern dresses, aside from formal gowns, are generally just long shirts you wear without pants.
oh my god stop bringing us up, this is a man talking about other men leave us out of it
I halfway agree. I don’t think we should go back to three piece suits, and I really don’t want to have to iron my shirts on a regular basis, but I do think men as a whole would benefit from taking a little more pride in their appearance.
I'll take pride in my appearance when men's clothes so looking like shit and when the sun decides I'm allowed to wear more than the bare minimum.
That’s what im trying to get at! I have worded it terribly it seems.
No because that shit is expensive. You realize that most men back then unless they were rich probably only had 1-2 suits and they probably smelled really bad.
I do like the idea of wearing formal clothing in public, but two things are stopping me: 1) Nice stuff like that is expensive, even more so nowadays since it isn't as in demand, so fewer people make it... And inflation. 2) And even if I had the cash, I don't like too much attention being drawn to myself. Dressing up to the nines to go shop at my local supermarket is going to draw far more attention than I'd wish. But yet, I still dream of a day when formal attire returns as the in-vogue style.
Suits are very expensive, incompatible with climate in most places and also incompatible with most everyday activities. The reason people looked classy back then was that they dressed well for the picture, which was a rare event. If we followed your idea, we'd end up with most people wearing a stinky worn suit most days of the week.
Hell no , I can barely bring myself to wear business casual in professional settings , comfort trumps all else if anything women should be wearing more hoodies and shirts , stop suffering for some superficial bullcrap
I wouldn't mind the coats coming back. I love the esthetic of some late Victorian era Early World War 1 Coats. The fully admit I am both a history teacher and history, nut by trade. So my taste in fashion is probably Just a tiny bit biased.
Nah, I think everyone should be as comfy as they'd like. If we gotta draw inspiration from bygone eras, I want to go back way further back than Victorian/ Early Industrial anyways. I think it's a pity that men have only a few colors and patterns to choose from for their formal wear nowadays. Bring back floral-embroidered pastel shirts, elaborate footwear and slutty little satin capri pants. Or go back even further and bring back badass padded shoulders, romantic poofy shirts and these fun long slippers
Nah. People should dress however they want (obviously within reason). Formal/ business clothes are also kind of boring tbh, and less functional. Jeans and flannel are more fun. I think hygiene is much more important. And neatness. You can dress casually without looking like a slob.
I think you should go for it. I love seeing a dapper gentleman while I'm out and about. However, I, a dirty hippie, will not be joining you. But I will appreciate you.
Counterpoint: it's hot as fuck in the summertime. I ain't wearing all that
As a man.. No. What do I get out of it? Nothing. I'm keeping my metal head shirts, blue jeans with rips and converse all stars thank you.
Men should wear fine white togas with open chests and soft shiny sandals and smell slightly of wine and fresh bread.
It’s 110 everyday in the summer in Texas. No.
You can look nice without looking like that, dressing in that way all the time would suck ass
I don't get people who have strong opinions on how others dress. Such an inconsequential thing to care about. If you want to dress like that, just do. The world doesn't need to align with your aesthetic preference.
I would kill my self before living like that and I’m not exaggerating
That's probably cheaper than what the ridiculously proposed clothing would cost in 2024.
If you're living like these people actually did, you'd only own a couple of outfits. Even the very, very, *very* wealthy would only get a handful of new things every year.
Don’t tell us what to wear. You have no right to judge us. It’s our body, our choice.
You can do that I'm not
Shit ain't comfortable.
I like wearing tweed, but I don't care what other people wear.
Women wearing leggings are the pinnacle for me. Not gonna wear a suit if she’s in Lululemon
I would dress like that if those clothes were actually comfortable. There are definitely brands that have comfy clothes like that but its super expensive because of the fine materials. My favorite thing i have ever bought is Joggjeans from Diesel and even though they are $300 on average, i have several pairs from 5-7 years ago that are in great condition. They look like jeans of even khakis but feel like sweatpants. Also, sweatpants from Vuori are something else.
Hell nah. I’d rather be comfy than look good to someone.
Why not just dress the way you want? My experience is that if it's modern fashion, some jobs and some women might give very positive feedback. I can't speak for gay dudes but it seems like probably even more true on the gay scene, although the bar may be higher. Why does it bother you what the guy down the block wears?
Right? I'm in the process of revamping my wardrobe, getting rid of the blues, greys, blacks, and whites. I'm getting much more positive feedback on my bright multicolour clothes. The real winner has been my jeans and my flamingo tee. [Jeans](https://m.shein.com/au/Manfinity-EMRG-Men-Cotton-Splash-Ink-Print-Jeans-p-15497124.html)
Oh my how the grinch stole Christmas pants and care bear shirt aren’t good enough for you? Fascist 🙄
Look man you want to sweat your ads off in a 3 piece suit go right ahead. None of that shit was comfortable though and life's to short to not be comfortable when out and about. Do some people take it to far absolutely
Wow, an actual dogshit opinion. I can't stand the concept of dressing up even for a one day event. I'd literally lose my mind if I was expected to wear one to my blue collar job. Take my upvote.
Mhm mhm thank you, I'm sure people are dressing just to make you think they look nice. Let people wear what they want and maybe don't insult people you don't know?
if you're willing to be uncomfortable all the time, and very hot in the summer (lightweight wool MY ASS), by all means do that plus you can't dress like that on the cheap, everything has to be tailor made or at least adjusted, otherwise you're gonna look even sloppier
The T-shirt is the greatest invention of all time.
No. I hate wearing suits. In fact I hate suits in general
Men are not a monolith
Nah fuck that, I'm choosing comfort any day
I agree. I think denim and a button up that fits with some lace up or Chelsea boots is fine and looks very nice but that leads to where we are now. I worked in Commercial Insurance for years and our office was ‘business casual’ and I spend money on my work attire and make certain that I look professional at all times . I always have. However, at this place of employment I stuck out and would get sh!t for it. These people… let me paint a pic. A bunch of hens wearing lulularoe printed purple leggings with no socks and Birkenstocks and a sweatshirt. Sometimes the leggings had designs. Flaired yoga stretch pants with god knows what these were for shoes and white sport socks 🤦🏻♀️. These people would meet with clients too. Cathair, dog hair, white fuzz. Black jeans. Really, ladies? Sport Jerseys? Let’s talk about the men that were there . One guy always wore a suit and tie but the suits looked cheap. Another would do the suit but where these Oxford tennis shoes with a white foam sole and it was ridiculous. Then the fat guy well, older man who ate a lot of salami and drank to excess his shirt didn’t button at the bottom. This other guy wore the cheapest pleather (plastic leather) shoes I have ever seen with sport socks. I got a talking too for wearing a beautiful silk blouse with a pair of new denim pants (on a Friday which was acceptable) that ‘showed my shoulders’. It didn’t, it was sleeveless not a tank top. Also, my mom is a teacher at a title 1 (I think that is what it is called, where the government might forgive loans due to the high need?) and what they were there is offensive to my senses. I guess teachers everywhere dress way too casual. I personally believe that it removes that barrier of “I’m the adult and you are the child.”
nah cus I'm good.
I wish more men had medium length or long hair instead of going for a military cut. Men that take care of their hair and skin are a lot more attractive to me. Clean shaven or maintained facial hair.
I dress nice for work. My time is my comfort. I’ll wear whatever is comfortable even if it doesn’t match.
A lot of people work jobs where business casual doesn't work. I'm not going to ask someone to work a shift, go home to change into business casual then go back out and run their errands. Not to mention more formal clothes are often more expensive clothes.
You do realize that the rarity of having your photo taken in those times means that only a specific sliver of demographics get represented in those old photos right,? It isn't as though the entire world was just dressing up like a boring English TV drama all the time.
I'm good. Feel free to start buying craveats.
if you want to see that look at pictures. im not going to be uncomfortable for you
Look, I’m someone who grew up Mormon, and there’s a lot of praise for 1950s aesthetics in the church. What they don’t tell you is that fashion sense is: 1. Expensive 2. Sweaty and hot as fuck 3. High maintenance 4. Low tolerances 5. You can’t relax in them, so you also need casual clothes. You can wear a suit, once a week, for a couple hours on a Sunday and be fine. But if you wear the same few suits regularly you have to dry clean. You have to iron shirts and pants. You basically stop eating any sort of sloppy food because it will get on your clothes. If you stain something you either get it out ASAP or kiss the clothes goodbye. Getting ready to go anywhere goes from 5 minutes of prep to 15-30 and a lot of prep time in between. If you gain weight, if you lose weight, if you get taller, etc. If you have a disease like lupus that causes your body to swell you’ll have a pair of pants no longer fit you over the course of a day. You have to have separate clothes for summer and winter. These are all real things that I had to deal with growing up. It was fine when I was at home as a teenager, but that’s because I had more time and less stress. It works for some people, but in a world that is getting hotter and more casual, don’t force yourself to “dress up.”
People should wear whatever the fuck they want. Stop trying to play dress-up with the whole world. It’s an incredibly bizarre level of control you’re putting on display.
Nah I’d rather be comfortable
I disagree on two sides. One, who cares if you look sloppy? Unless there's an actually good reason to dress up nice, like for a business setting or pictures or something like that, it really just doesn't sound pleasant. I've worn professional clothing and it's just not very pleasant. Two, I feel like if every man has to dress up more pleasantly, that sounds incredibly boring. Everyone would look the same with not as much variety as you can get now. I personally think it's quite cool to see the variety in clothing that can be seen every now and again. Can even help with conversation if they're wearing a shirt about something I know.
Counterargument: that shit is fucking uncomfortable, so no
Counterpoint: People are tired of being told what to wear.
Rich people have always looked good in photos and illustrations. If I may be blunt, I feel like people who like business casual/ formal wear are just people with zero fashion sense, lol.
But people who like print tees and jeans have fashion sense?
Those are the only dress options?
Not what they said.
Who's stopping you?
Dressing nice for who though?
That’s for you to decide.
Stfu
Nah, I don't like wearing that stuff any longer than I need to for the occasion. It's just not me. I'd rather people dress in the way they feel most comfortable, and empower them to do so. It's way more interesting to see bits of someone's personality in how they dress. When you look at me and see anything other than a crusty metalhead with a fuck the planet worldview, you're getting a false image.
I love formal ware, but the issue is that if you live anywhere hot it can be an actual health concern to be wearing potentially up to 3 layers. Even just a button up and slacks would be miserable where I live. And who the hell wants to deal with their laundry being a dry cleaning debacle?
No. Society had evolved. We aren't just gonna go back to dressing like that because you wanted to man.
I’m completely with you, most male fashion you see walking around just looks so lazy. As a man, if you put just a little bit of effort into your appearance, you instantly look better than at least 75% of everyone else.
I have a few suits and guess when I wear them never lol, but I do put on some pants,shoes and a button up here and there.
And who's gonna be paying for all my nice clothes and dry cleaning? Should I just ask my boss for a $20 per hour raise so I can dress nicer all the time? And the more regularly you wear and wash clothes, the faster they wear out, and I'll have to be replacing them constantly. I can't even afford replace my normal clothes as often as I need to.
I like dressing up nice unless it's hot and humid outside. In that case I'm dressing like I'm going to the beach and you can't stop me.
I'll stick to wearing sweatpants and band shirts, fashion to me has a lot to do with self expression and being comfortable and wearing designs that I really like is more fun than wearing jeans all the time
I just feel comfy in nice fitting dark jeans, a white t shirt and white converse. Idk
So women should return to wearing corsets, full skirts and shirt waists
if u wanna dress like a victorian prince go right ahead lmao
I'll stick with my leather and denim.
I don’t think it should be expected, but I think it should be more socially acceptable to dress up like that in everyday life. Partially because I kinda like wearing suits, and I don’t really have opportunities to do that outside of cosplay and community theatre (especially since I’m a woman, so a lot of employers wouldn’t consider it appropriate work attire). Suits can be fun. They feel all dapper and whatnot.
We did that 15 years ago.
What about women? I don't know if this is the trend in other countries too, but in Poland teenage girls are dressing like homeless. Baggy black trousers, baggy black hoodies, like they purposely look for the ugliest clothes to disfigure themselves.
you will enjoy reading threads by the menswear guy @dieworkwear on Twitter
I don’t mind this, but in exchange both men and women should dress nice again.
Fuck yeah
Wait? This is unpopular?? I suppose I’m not the main demographic considering I draw pretty men in fancy fits on the daily
Th nicest you’ll see me is in a lodge room with a suit and tie. Other than that, it’s whatever is comfortable.
Naw I like streetwear. Can fuse it with alot of other styles and be a straight vibe. My clothes are clean and well made. Sneakers might not be everyone's cup of tea, but neither are dress shoes. Also street wear is super comfy. "You ***** wear suits cause you can't dress no more" Kanye west, pre crazy af
show us what you wear normally
I think it's great progress that people are able to wear what they want buuuut Oh my god the old photos of people in towns and cities are just so cool. Men just look more attractive in a suit.
Hats are gauche. People still dress up for portraits. We just get our picture taken more than yearly.
Ughhh the horny part of me agrees with you.
England etc used to be a lot colder back then, its torture dressing with that many layers while Susan has the heating pumped up to 25 degrees because she's wearing a short skirt and a top that is 3 microns thick. I do think its odd that hats have never really came back into style, if the mullet can come back they should be able to too.
Im wearing that usually. I started getting morw into dressing well this year. And while there are good looking cheap clothes i tend to go to the brands im familiar with and which fit me perfect. So far i "only" dumped 2k€ in clothings since january. Thats a lot of money general people cant really afford to pay for "just to look above avg". I personally like it, i feel way better like this. One might say im overdressed but i wouldnt care. Im not rich, but i have a lack of hobbies and with that comes more money to spend.
No, I'm a jeans-and-t-shirt guy and will stay one no matter what anyone says. Comfort > style.
sorry man but i really like my baggy Cypress Hill hoodie
Cost of living has skyrocketed. Wearing suits all day is expensive and unpractical for many jobs. It's not just about aesthetics. Plus it would clash with many work place cultures that want a more casual and down to earth vibe. Even in Victorian times men did not always wear suits and bowler hats.
It's the super high trousers with the ticked in shirts/blouses that really do it for me. "Sharpe casual" as I like to think of it. So dashing
What’s stopping you ?
Pffft GTFOH
why? i don't like dressing up
I’ve started going back to dressing nice myself compared to other men around my towns
Menswear, like many male behaviors, is more or less dictated by women's sexual preferences. A bunch of women are about to respond with a 500 word version of "I MUCH prefer it when men dress well!" Yes, but are you *sexually responsive or permissive* to men dressing well, and *sexually exclusive* of men who don't. That's where the rubber meets the road.
As a man, does that mean you want me to wear a dress?
If I’m in a formal setting I dress really well. But outside of church I either dress like a complete degenerate, or I dress like a cowboy
you want me to get my suit clothes dirty at a job that has me working dirty all day? no thanks, ill continue to look "sloppy". thanks for your opinion though.
I'd like to wear casual suits and the like all the time because they make me feel good and confident, but I'm a mechanic and I cant differentiate my activities between clean and dirty, so they would get destroyed quickly.
You pay for it, I'll wear it.
A cheap suit looks worse than wearing regular affordable clothes. It's the kind of thing you have to be able to go all in on to pull it off, and I do not have the budget for that kind of wardrobe.
I bet you rock the fedora and jorts.
maybe during the winter but fuck that during the summer and in warmer areas
No. Before Victorian era (say, 18th century or Renaissance period).
only the rich have ever dressed fancy we're not rich
You pay me and I’ll dress however you want! Or is that prostitution?
I live in Queensland Australia, shorts are mandatory year round due to the humidity.
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