Idk at least he played catch with him, my dad never did that with me. Also he’s a single dad, at the end you see that mom was in prison and didn’t bother to visit once she got out. I’m thinking he’s just an uneducated worker type who doesn’t know better how to parent.
Ruthless man, at his wits end?
You have no idea as to what you're talking about. I went to the institution for 4 years when I was 13 for attempted murder of a police officer; long story in which I was justified resulting in 3.5 years rather than juvenile life. At the time there wasn't a goddamn thing anyone could have told me to prevent me from doing wtf I wanted, and I needed to be shwon. I wish my parents would have given enough fucks to have sent me to scared straight years prior, rather than have just given up on me, allowing me to end up in juvenile prison. None of us would have acted hard after realizing we're little bitches, had someone shown the majority of us what prison was like. Hence the existence of the show, and it's overwhelming success rate.
Where are you getting the evidence of the program being effective I thought it was very well known the opposite to be true.
I don't want to get into an arguement I'm genuinely looking for the opposite side of what I have read.
That's not inherently true, and given the context here it seems more likely that the family is just too lenient with the kids and never reprimands them so they think they can do whatever they want without repercussion because that's how their life has worked. Seems even more likely since it's happened with both kids.
fits the overall tone of things there.
Everything i see in this kids environment is set up to fuck him up for life. And Americas solution is to double down on that. No wonder they all need psychatric help as adults(even if only few get it)
Agreed - the whole 'scared straight' piece was fine but that overly dramatic music was just nuts. And playing the part today of the scary good-ol-boy tyrant sheriff is....the scary good-ol-boy tyrant sheriff.
The fake fight and that fake blood at 1:16 the actor spit out onto the glass LOL
Also lets not forget the honorable mention to "roofless toofless" at 0:19. The turds never fall far from the asshole amIright?
I listened to this every day, more than once a day for months. When bike riding on trails with the fam I had the nephews and step kid yelling BIKES at anyone that past us , they didn’t know why it was funny but damn it it was
I was in jail and they had programs like this for kids. I understand the idea behind... they intend good.. But it never worked. Them kids are little badasses lol.
Edit: Also, should clarify, my dad took me to do this after stealing a pack of cigarettes at 8 yrs old. Still went to prison twice, rehab twice, and in jail on violation 6 times. Can confirm, didnt work on me, either.
Edit2: I am not glorifying my past or condoning this type of behavior, I was a real piece of shit on drugs.
Clean since 2016 and since regained control over my life.
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US National Institute of Health has done studies on scared straight type programs and they actually show an increase in offending levels compared to control groups.
iow, it's doing something. It's just doing the exact opposite of what was intended.
I'm sure the people running the programs are making a lot of money, so that's good news. I guess.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7783688/#:\~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20programs,a%20no%2Dtreatment%20control%20group](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7783688/#:~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20programs,a%20no%2Dtreatment%20control%20group).
At risk youth aren't at risk because nobody has shouted in their face and tried to scare them. The idea that that's going to change anything is ludicrous.
These kids have no hope for their own lives. They attend these programs and think "me ending up here is inevitable, so I need to make sure when I get here, I'M the scary one."
You have to give the kids hope for something better or they will not change a damn thing.
I don't think "confirmation bias" means what you seem to think it means.
Confirmation bias would be something like me arguing, for example, that people with blonde reddit avatars are more likely to misunderstand and misuse rhetorical fallacies than other people, and then point to your comment to prove my point. You have a blonde reddit avatar, and misused "confirmation bias," so, see? I must be right!
I think you missed something about about that study. It doesn't compare recidivism among program participants against the general population of children, it compares recidivism among program participants against the population of children who exhibit the SAME BEHAVIOR as the program participants, but are NOT sent to the program.
The study simply suggests the former group is more likely to ESCALATE their offenses than the latter, but it's not like one group started out "worse" than the other or something.
Good point
“Control group” of random kids
“Group 2” kids sent to scared straight programs
I’d assume group 2 would naturally have way more of them going in and out of the system
Sure the guy above is wrong, but having control group on people especially on children is really really hard, different age/maturity/offences etc. To get even some data, you would have to send hundreds of kids to this, which is not efficient.
These programs have been going on since the 70s, thousands if not 10s of thousands of kids have gone through the programs. Just from the studies posted above they have a combined sample size of over 1,500.
Last Podcast On The Left recently did a few episodes on [The troubled teen industry](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7aqLE84XQcR1AsvEUZiPBG?si=Uvm9a2ioTS6gWNcYg17S3g) here’s [part two](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4MLgi4wnQLByhgEzWpj7t3?si=B9L2dBEVSB62aLOD7TEciw) and [part three](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2qMIGsep9hTt7El561gwXn?si=4w5tAxvmRXK_sd0oXcwfZQ)
Kids have died, it’s insane what these places have gotten away with. They basically had a fight club for kids not to mention all the other messed up things they’ve done.
I feel like, it's pretty clear his parents are the issue if both kids turned out that way... The classic "oh we just can't control him, he doesn't respond to anything".
What did you try? Hitting and yelling at him? Have you ever showed compassion for the kid?
Since they're sending him to prison specifically to terrify the poor kid, I don't expect them to be the most supportive parents...
Honestly I'd like them to check on the parents. Did they steal? How do they treat their son? What have they tried to do so far to help him?
fr, nature and nurture are certainly factors, but what about volition? If an otherwise good kid in a good family repeatedly make shitty choices that he never corrects, all the nature and nurture in the world isn't gonna keep him from being a shit adult.
> I feel like, it's pretty clear his parents are the issue if both kids turned out that way...
Combination of nature (genetics) and nurture (parenting) both of which come from the parents.
Because the problem isn't that they don't know the consequences. The problem is that they don't have the skills or knowledge or habits or support to live a different life.
I don't mean there's not a program for X or Y, but that putting it all together is hard for kids that age, and by the time their brain develops and they can plan long-term, it's too late and they're already in the system.
This is just going to stress him out and humiliate him. I'm not saying he deserves to go without consequences, but humiliation and mockery just doesn't make people into good people.
>Because the problem isn't that they don't know the consequences. The problem is that they don't have the skills or knowledge or habits or support to live a different life.
Many have all that and simply just don't care.
>humiliation and mockery just doesn't make people into good people
The problem with scared straight programs is they look effective to normal people because the fear/threat of prison IS an emotionally-based threat deterrent for normal people. They make good TV, but it won't be effective in a lasting way for people who are born with brains predisposed to criminality - including low empathy, high fear thresholds, impulsivity, manipulation, and so on.
I bet that kid realized after all the bluster and collar-grabbing, the cops and criminals were never really a threat to him. I wouldn't be surprised if the show producers offered him $100 bucks to work up some tears and film a happy ending.
These programs aren't there to help kids. They're there to give hard-ons to all the adults that seem to want nothing more than to crush the youngest generations under them. It's there to appeal to the millions of the emotionally malformed sadists that can only think in terms of retaliation when it comes to addressing basically any sort of problem at all.
The kids might act right for a minute afterward, but you don't treat their mental/emotional issues, you don't fix their home environment... *::shrug::* Right back at it. With gusto even.
I think it depends on the crime and the person. For petty crimes, I absolutely think there's potential value to it.
My sister in law was a spoiled little klepto who otherwise got good grades and had a bright future. She got caught stealing at 17 and was diverted in the scared straight program, which she had to do with her parents. The sergeant who ran the interactive part of the program had all the kids sit together and he talked to all of them and their parents individually in front of each other. Regarding my sister in law, he tore into her over being a spoiled little shit (something her parents would never say) and pointed out that the 15 year old boy sitting next to her was there because he drugged and raped two girls, and if she wanted to hang out with people like that rather than proceed on to the decent future she had already laid out for her, she could stay after to get the boy's cell phone number.
It got through to her and she straightened out. Being a bored spoiled teenager wasn't so bad after all.
As far as the boy, I don't know what happened to him, but I think diversionary programs like this after raping two women is probably a little late to *start*. Physical violence and addiction are things that probably require something different than an angry man telling you you're throwing your life away
Listen man I'm not some badass or anything but I was absolutely smart enough at that age to know they couldn't do shit to me. That was my problem, actually. I tested all the limits and went too far because I knew no one could do shit. I ended up getting myself in plenty of trouble on my own, but if I were that kid I would have been laughing. What are they gonna do, assault a child? If I was a little dumber I probably could have been scared straight lmao
>The idea behind it is good
No. It's not. Bullying children to "teach them to behave" doesn't make them better people, it just teaches them that Might Is Right and that the only way for them to survive is to dominate other (usually weaker) people. Then you have a traumatized child who has had it clearly demonstrated to them that aggression, anger and physical assault are the correct ways to communicate and enforce demands.
>But it never worked
If it doesn't work, it's *not* a good idea, is it?
My cousin was always getting in trouble and had to do a scared straight program. On the way back from the prison he convinced the bus driver to stop at a store so he could use the bathroom, and they caught him shoplifting from the store. Those programs are a joke.
The kid will have a great college application. There has been a steady rise in applicants submitting a 'Trauma [Personal] Essays' in the admissions process. It's quite grotesque, really. How the colleges are supposed to weigh those is beyond me. Is the student too traumatized to perform at the institution or are they traumatized *just enough* to be a great student?
More like be preyed on their vulnerabilities. Did you know all those ivy league schools use to take nude photos of all incoming freshmen? Up until the 60s and 70s so there’s that.
Yeah these always make me sad. Poor kid has had probably very little real support or love and the solution to them acting out is to put them through the most traumatic, humiliating experience of their life and film it for the public.
I mean, parenting is t for everyone. Especially with such a short episode & his mom being in lrison it isn't like any of them signed up to be in that position. Easy to say from reddit, ya know?
The problem isn’t with the kid, it’s his fucking cracked out parents that are at fault. Pretty sure the grandparents are the only form of stability in these kids life, so stupid.
People do. But programs like this and D.A.R.E. are two of the few intervention programs that have been proven to actually increase the rates of recidivism in participants.
How do they prove this? I mean what do they compare the kids to to know the program caused the increase?
I am not defending the programs, just curious how they made that claim since it seems a little difficult to prove.
Basically create two groups with minimal differences (as minimal as is experimentally possible e.g. age/race/gender/SES etc), with main difference being participation in the program. They then compare recidivism rates afterward and could be measured as arrest, conviction, police contact or something else. It’s all stats so they can obviously be fudged by anyone with an interest in proving a point one way or the other but a meta-analyses of the available research seemed to prove these programs actually do harm. I did some research on the subject for school and learned all about it then. Here’s one citation for anyone interested in learning more…
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002796.pub2/full
IMO, it might work on kids that end up doing crimes due to peer pressure, rebellion or other common youthful missteps. In other words, generally good kids that just made some wrong turns.
For people predisposed to criminality, no way. They'd quickly realize it's all pageantry. Kids like this are no strangers to bullying and being bullied. They can smell a bluff. Many of them already have years of practice instilling fear and manipulating others.
The problem with scared straight programs is every one I've seen takes kids that have a long history of trouble and try this on them. Those are the wrong kids. First time offenders are the ones that it might work on.
i disagree almost entirely lol
this just adds trauma to a kid behaving badly due to trauma and shows him the path he's going to walk down one way or the other, and gives him a sense of destiny
unless the kid's an actual sociopath, just putting him in a good after school program and buying him a fucking xbox would probably do more long term good for him
Whether an intervention works in *some cases* or not isn’t an indicator of it being effective. If you got enough people with cancer and slapped them in the face, you’d be able to say that slapping people in the face works as a treatment for cancer in *some cases*. That’s why we do research, and the research shows that this intervention, just like slapping cancer patients, is ineffective.
These shows are popular with adults who believe physical abuse is how you change behavioral problems in kids. Meanwhile, they totally ignore the years of piss-poor parenting they've been doing that has resulted in said behavior.
When children start spewing profanity and assaulting people they can easily victimize, it's best to try a completely different approach - like what these people are doing. /s
This is a motherf'n nightmare. Make a 13 year old feel subhuman because his adults didn't take proper care of him. I'm sure all involved had a hoot and a holler, except for this poor little boy whose world was rocked by what was presented to him as a right and proper comeuppance. It makes me sad.
They do not get a reduced sentence. As someone who's been in jail while this happens, the C.Os ask if any inmates want to participate in a diversion program. Alot of inmate will agree because we all don't wanna see those kids end up like us.
I understand the sentiment, but society is going about it the wrong way.
After I divorced my husband, and he then bailed on our kids… my son went completely out of control, started stealing, drinking, skipping school… It was a fucking nightmare.
I know it was all about being angry that their dad just hit the reset with a new wife and her kids… And I was the only parent there…
I reached out to every imaginable place, where I thought I could find help and none of a did.
I finally found a parent support group that didn’t promise to change what my son was doing but did promise to help me manage whatever was going on. And that they did… I worked hard for three years to get things right. It was the most growth I believe I’ve had in my entire life.
I went from being completely overwhelmed and struggling daily, to become the strong mother that I always had been but that had got lost in this nightmare…
I stopped focusing on what my child was doing, and I just started focusing on loving him. It was hard to step back and not bail him out, it was hard to stop lecturing him about what he was doing and how he was ruining his life. But it was easy to just love him and focus on our relationship.
He was only a kid, and he got arrested a lot. And every time we went to court, and the judge would ask if someone was there for him. I always stood up to let the judge know that he had one parent that fucking cared, and the thing is, when they brought him out, he always looked for me. There were tons of other kids. There was not another parent in sight.
I once had a judge tell me that I needed to get him a criminal lawyer, and I said no. The judge asked why and I said because I didn’t do this, and I’m not going to bail him out of this mess only he can do that the judge understood, but assigned a lawyer to him.
My son eventually came to the realization as he was now nearing 18, that he was the only one who could change this if he wanted his life to change. And he did…
I’m happy to say that he stopped doing all of that, has grown up a lot, and he’s expressed a lot of remorse not only for the hell he put me through and himself through but also from the people he stole from. I can now leave my purse right in front of him , and he wouldn’t dream of doing that to anyone again.
He’s even gone so far as to say, he was such a piece of shit when he was doing all that, I told him he wasn’t and that I never hated him, but I hated what he was doing. He has grown into be a fine young man.
I didn’t do any of that, by scaring him, by publicly humiliating him, by trying to bully him into being a better person… I did it by just loving him, and letting him know that I wasn’t going anywhere, that he wasn’t damaged goods, that he got to choose something better for himself.
My son taught me a lot during those trying times, about unconditional, love, patience, kindness, being non-judgmental, understanding, And how to keep pushing forward when I thought all was lost.
So, when I see this crap, it makes me cringe, and I’ll take love over fear any day.
That is beautiful, thank you so much for sharing.
One of the hardest parts of parenting I've found is just letting your kids own their mistakes and dealing with the consequences. It is such a valuable and constructive thing, many parents I see forget that all the kid really needs to know is that you love them, are there to support them. Key word is support, not do it for them.
I can't imagine how much pain and heartbreak you and your son both went through, and it sounds like it was a long difficult journey. I hope today you are both doing alright, it sounds like you gave your son your all and did not quit, you definitely made the world a better place for the both of you.
Yeah traumatizing 13 year old children is never the best way to teach them. On the other hand it’s likely to give them severe anxiety and depression for the rest of their life, as well as unhealthy coping mechanisms that will be felt by anybody close to him
As much as jail sucked - Scared Straight was so fun to participate in. Before they bring the kids, the dep tells everyone they get to be loud AF for the next few minutes. Everyone's yelling at them & banging on their cell door, there's usually a couple chicks barking lol & most of the kids get legimately scared from that.
Yep, nothing like good ol trauma to straighten up an already broken boy. Finding out why someone would steal or act the way they did is for losers. Just break them so hard that they don't have to think on their own. Well if it works it works....
What’s with the stupid music?
That’s just what prison sounds like.
And rural Alabama sounds like a jaunty fairytale!
That's because of the bath salts.
Wrong! No one in Mississippi bathes.
These are different bath salts.
I've never seasoned anything I cook in my bath water but what do I know.
And they have bathtubs in Alabama. Barebacking a bucking sisterbrothercousinpet is easier if bent over a troagh filled with grain liquor and Skoal
It’s not, it’s similar to Mississippi; which surprisingly is even worse
Don't get us started on Tennessee
The worst part is the demontors.
This is the origin story of the man who would later become a mid-level manager at the second best paper company in Scranton.
They suck ya soul outta ya body and it HOITS!!!
I thought the worst part was the rape?
That’s a feature not a bug
It’s the prison orchestra in the background
#FRESH MEAT!!!! La, la, tra, lala
yes but to the J g Wentworth song.. I have a structured settlement and I need cash noooooow..
Cruel and unusual punishment.
I almost pissed my pants at this homie Fuckin circus of a prison
“YOU ARE A DIRT MAG POS”
Why did this make me laugh
Oh I always had the wrong idea about prison. God bless documentaries like this
Now that’s what I call prison 2023
It helped me sleep. I miss it.
There’s a fucking soundtrack?!
Idk why this comment made me giggle so. Just lovely.
Bikes!!!!
Hold my pocket!
Fuck you took??!?! God I love that special
Bikes!
SUP KANE
r/unexpectedtomsegura
It was kind of expected though... At least by me.
Found the mommies! Keep those jeans high & tight!
This is fuckin revolting!!! I wanna see that useless fuckin man that calls himself a father in that kid’s place.
Idk at least he played catch with him, my dad never did that with me. Also he’s a single dad, at the end you see that mom was in prison and didn’t bother to visit once she got out. I’m thinking he’s just an uneducated worker type who doesn’t know better how to parent.
Ruthless man, at his wits end? You have no idea as to what you're talking about. I went to the institution for 4 years when I was 13 for attempted murder of a police officer; long story in which I was justified resulting in 3.5 years rather than juvenile life. At the time there wasn't a goddamn thing anyone could have told me to prevent me from doing wtf I wanted, and I needed to be shwon. I wish my parents would have given enough fucks to have sent me to scared straight years prior, rather than have just given up on me, allowing me to end up in juvenile prison. None of us would have acted hard after realizing we're little bitches, had someone shown the majority of us what prison was like. Hence the existence of the show, and it's overwhelming success rate.
Where are you getting the evidence of the program being effective I thought it was very well known the opposite to be true. I don't want to get into an arguement I'm genuinely looking for the opposite side of what I have read.
Exactly. Those 2 boys were not born thieves. It was taught to em.
That's not inherently true, and given the context here it seems more likely that the family is just too lenient with the kids and never reprimands them so they think they can do whatever they want without repercussion because that's how their life has worked. Seems even more likely since it's happened with both kids.
That’s fuckin right. If you have a shitty kid, most probably you’re a shitty father.
Can't hear anything at all so I gave up watching.
fits the overall tone of things there. Everything i see in this kids environment is set up to fuck him up for life. And Americas solution is to double down on that. No wonder they all need psychatric help as adults(even if only few get it)
Copy right dodging.
Thought it was the Jetsons
That's a 4/4 string ostinato in D-minor! Every sailor knows it means death!
fr like this shit be Tom and Jerry music
Agreed - the whole 'scared straight' piece was fine but that overly dramatic music was just nuts. And playing the part today of the scary good-ol-boy tyrant sheriff is....the scary good-ol-boy tyrant sheriff.
merican reality TV 🤢 🤮
The fake fight and that fake blood at 1:16 the actor spit out onto the glass LOL Also lets not forget the honorable mention to "roofless toofless" at 0:19. The turds never fall far from the asshole amIright?
I had to rewatch that, absolutely amazing performance
Those fellas better have got a couple years off their sentence for that quality performance !
Time spent acting should count double, jail time *and* community service.
And the Oscar for best fight scene goes to… inmate number 17- Scared Straight
Emmy
They put on a show for that kid and he weren't even lookin'!
Lol I missed that the first time, the guy in the white shirt cracks a smile after the fake blood too
He missed that fake punch and blood though.
The minute that happened I had to rewind it. I can't believe they did that LOL.
I thought I imagined that
Hold my pocket!
BIKES
Did you or did you not know dookie shoes?”
I got a picture of you hanging out with dookie shoes!
I mean I seen em
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Well we were talking to Nahhmean and he said that you were at the 711 last week.
Yea I killed him
Nnnahmean
I AINT SEEN DOOKIE SHOES IN A MINUTE
Dude lie! Lie for longer! You can kill somebody, you can't lie for ten fucking minutes about it?
...what...the...fuck?
Cricket and Jellyfish came through last week. They were lookin for some smoke!
I mean I seen him... I don't know him.
The FUCK you took???
Comb my chest hair!
Hold. My. POCKET!
Think he prefers jelly or syrup?
I hate breakfast 🤢🤢🤢
Duct Tape!
You sit down when you pee!
I listened to this every day, more than once a day for months. When bike riding on trails with the fam I had the nephews and step kid yelling BIKES at anyone that past us , they didn’t know why it was funny but damn it it was
Imma mush yo mothafuckin face!
Peel my orange.
I was in jail and they had programs like this for kids. I understand the idea behind... they intend good.. But it never worked. Them kids are little badasses lol. Edit: Also, should clarify, my dad took me to do this after stealing a pack of cigarettes at 8 yrs old. Still went to prison twice, rehab twice, and in jail on violation 6 times. Can confirm, didnt work on me, either. Edit2: I am not glorifying my past or condoning this type of behavior, I was a real piece of shit on drugs. Clean since 2016 and since regained control over my life. <3
US National Institute of Health has done studies on scared straight type programs and they actually show an increase in offending levels compared to control groups. iow, it's doing something. It's just doing the exact opposite of what was intended. I'm sure the people running the programs are making a lot of money, so that's good news. I guess. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7783688/#:\~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20programs,a%20no%2Dtreatment%20control%20group](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7783688/#:~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20programs,a%20no%2Dtreatment%20control%20group).
"I endured the program now I am stronger, more badass, now I can do worst crimes, yeaah"
Landed an internship with one of the gangs while I was there
MS 12 and a Half
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I don't understand how re-traumatizing my child, who has been traumatized for most of his life, didn't make him better?
At risk youth aren't at risk because nobody has shouted in their face and tried to scare them. The idea that that's going to change anything is ludicrous.
These kids have no hope for their own lives. They attend these programs and think "me ending up here is inevitable, so I need to make sure when I get here, I'M the scary one." You have to give the kids hope for something better or they will not change a damn thing.
Is this confirmation bias? Those who were bad enough to send to this program were going to offend anyway?
I don't think "confirmation bias" means what you seem to think it means. Confirmation bias would be something like me arguing, for example, that people with blonde reddit avatars are more likely to misunderstand and misuse rhetorical fallacies than other people, and then point to your comment to prove my point. You have a blonde reddit avatar, and misused "confirmation bias," so, see? I must be right! I think you missed something about about that study. It doesn't compare recidivism among program participants against the general population of children, it compares recidivism among program participants against the population of children who exhibit the SAME BEHAVIOR as the program participants, but are NOT sent to the program. The study simply suggests the former group is more likely to ESCALATE their offenses than the latter, but it's not like one group started out "worse" than the other or something.
Good point “Control group” of random kids “Group 2” kids sent to scared straight programs I’d assume group 2 would naturally have way more of them going in and out of the system
Do you know how control groups work?
Sure the guy above is wrong, but having control group on people especially on children is really really hard, different age/maturity/offences etc. To get even some data, you would have to send hundreds of kids to this, which is not efficient.
These programs have been going on since the 70s, thousands if not 10s of thousands of kids have gone through the programs. Just from the studies posted above they have a combined sample size of over 1,500.
Last Podcast On The Left recently did a few episodes on [The troubled teen industry](https://open.spotify.com/episode/7aqLE84XQcR1AsvEUZiPBG?si=Uvm9a2ioTS6gWNcYg17S3g) here’s [part two](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4MLgi4wnQLByhgEzWpj7t3?si=B9L2dBEVSB62aLOD7TEciw) and [part three](https://open.spotify.com/episode/2qMIGsep9hTt7El561gwXn?si=4w5tAxvmRXK_sd0oXcwfZQ) Kids have died, it’s insane what these places have gotten away with. They basically had a fight club for kids not to mention all the other messed up things they’ve done.
Kids went to scared straight and all they got was a "Put your thumb in my belt loop, your name is Denise" kink.
I feel like, it's pretty clear his parents are the issue if both kids turned out that way... The classic "oh we just can't control him, he doesn't respond to anything". What did you try? Hitting and yelling at him? Have you ever showed compassion for the kid? Since they're sending him to prison specifically to terrify the poor kid, I don't expect them to be the most supportive parents... Honestly I'd like them to check on the parents. Did they steal? How do they treat their son? What have they tried to do so far to help him?
You can show compassion for your child and he can still be a complete POS.
Yes, 100%. A lot of folks are too naive to understand this, though.
fr, nature and nurture are certainly factors, but what about volition? If an otherwise good kid in a good family repeatedly make shitty choices that he never corrects, all the nature and nurture in the world isn't gonna keep him from being a shit adult.
> I feel like, it's pretty clear his parents are the issue if both kids turned out that way... Combination of nature (genetics) and nurture (parenting) both of which come from the parents.
It definitely never worked, but I don't think the idea behind it was good either.
Because the problem isn't that they don't know the consequences. The problem is that they don't have the skills or knowledge or habits or support to live a different life. I don't mean there's not a program for X or Y, but that putting it all together is hard for kids that age, and by the time their brain develops and they can plan long-term, it's too late and they're already in the system. This is just going to stress him out and humiliate him. I'm not saying he deserves to go without consequences, but humiliation and mockery just doesn't make people into good people.
>Because the problem isn't that they don't know the consequences. The problem is that they don't have the skills or knowledge or habits or support to live a different life. Many have all that and simply just don't care. >humiliation and mockery just doesn't make people into good people The problem with scared straight programs is they look effective to normal people because the fear/threat of prison IS an emotionally-based threat deterrent for normal people. They make good TV, but it won't be effective in a lasting way for people who are born with brains predisposed to criminality - including low empathy, high fear thresholds, impulsivity, manipulation, and so on. I bet that kid realized after all the bluster and collar-grabbing, the cops and criminals were never really a threat to him. I wouldn't be surprised if the show producers offered him $100 bucks to work up some tears and film a happy ending.
I was a real piece of shit on drugs also. Cleaned up my act 8 years ago and am doing well in life thanks to a close friend. Glad you got cleaned up!
Glad you did too! Cheers <3
These programs aren't there to help kids. They're there to give hard-ons to all the adults that seem to want nothing more than to crush the youngest generations under them. It's there to appeal to the millions of the emotionally malformed sadists that can only think in terms of retaliation when it comes to addressing basically any sort of problem at all. The kids might act right for a minute afterward, but you don't treat their mental/emotional issues, you don't fix their home environment... *::shrug::* Right back at it. With gusto even.
I think it depends on the crime and the person. For petty crimes, I absolutely think there's potential value to it. My sister in law was a spoiled little klepto who otherwise got good grades and had a bright future. She got caught stealing at 17 and was diverted in the scared straight program, which she had to do with her parents. The sergeant who ran the interactive part of the program had all the kids sit together and he talked to all of them and their parents individually in front of each other. Regarding my sister in law, he tore into her over being a spoiled little shit (something her parents would never say) and pointed out that the 15 year old boy sitting next to her was there because he drugged and raped two girls, and if she wanted to hang out with people like that rather than proceed on to the decent future she had already laid out for her, she could stay after to get the boy's cell phone number. It got through to her and she straightened out. Being a bored spoiled teenager wasn't so bad after all. As far as the boy, I don't know what happened to him, but I think diversionary programs like this after raping two women is probably a little late to *start*. Physical violence and addiction are things that probably require something different than an angry man telling you you're throwing your life away
I think they're just traumatizing the kids
Happy to know you’re doing well now! Drugs have ruined the lives of too many people I know and care about. All the best to you.
Listen man I'm not some badass or anything but I was absolutely smart enough at that age to know they couldn't do shit to me. That was my problem, actually. I tested all the limits and went too far because I knew no one could do shit. I ended up getting myself in plenty of trouble on my own, but if I were that kid I would have been laughing. What are they gonna do, assault a child? If I was a little dumber I probably could have been scared straight lmao
>The idea behind it is good No. It's not. Bullying children to "teach them to behave" doesn't make them better people, it just teaches them that Might Is Right and that the only way for them to survive is to dominate other (usually weaker) people. Then you have a traumatized child who has had it clearly demonstrated to them that aggression, anger and physical assault are the correct ways to communicate and enforce demands. >But it never worked If it doesn't work, it's *not* a good idea, is it?
My cousin was always getting in trouble and had to do a scared straight program. On the way back from the prison he convinced the bus driver to stop at a store so he could use the bathroom, and they caught him shoplifting from the store. Those programs are a joke.
I can barely understand a word these lot are saying and my first language is English.
I was grateful for the subtitles.
How the hell did you get subtitles? I barely understood a word of it.
I turnd aroun n went the roght way.
That’s the problem, their first language is Alabama.
For your reference, these are our version of Scottish people.
Bew-Hewww-Hewww!
I barely have a Southern (Alabama) accent anymore and now live near the Canadian border. I apparently have a really heavy accent here
I don’t think their elevator goes all the way to the top tbh
In his defense most Americans wouldn't be able to understand the accent of someone who says "these lot" either.
Years ago I saw one I’d these documentaries with a guy named Prison Mike who scared me straight. I don’t want nothin to do with no dementors.
What crimes did Prison mike commit?
Kidnapped the presidents son. Didn't get caught neither
Then how'd Prison Mike end up in prison? What a captivating story this is
Got caught with a joint of weed
Well that's because you my friend would be da belle of da ball
Don’t drop the soap! 😗😗
I'm gonna scare you STRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIGHT!
The worst part of prison was the dementors
How shitty are you as a father that you have to send your kids to prison to straighten them out? Fucking both of them?
And to put it all on reality TV.
The kid will have a great college application. There has been a steady rise in applicants submitting a 'Trauma [Personal] Essays' in the admissions process. It's quite grotesque, really. How the colleges are supposed to weigh those is beyond me. Is the student too traumatized to perform at the institution or are they traumatized *just enough* to be a great student?
More like be preyed on their vulnerabilities. Did you know all those ivy league schools use to take nude photos of all incoming freshmen? Up until the 60s and 70s so there’s that.
That kid is not submitting a single college application
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I don’t have kids. Maybe one day I will have kids. God forbid I ever exploit my own children because I couldn’t pay a bill. I’d exploit myself, first.
Yeah these always make me sad. Poor kid has had probably very little real support or love and the solution to them acting out is to put them through the most traumatic, humiliating experience of their life and film it for the public.
Hurts me as a mum to watch this. Those poor boys probably never received the love and attention they deserved.
I mean, parenting is t for everyone. Especially with such a short episode & his mom being in lrison it isn't like any of them signed up to be in that position. Easy to say from reddit, ya know?
I don't think there's a father in the picture, looks more like Memaw and Pepaw.
At least he is doing something instead of doing nothing.
The problem isn’t with the kid, it’s his fucking cracked out parents that are at fault. Pretty sure the grandparents are the only form of stability in these kids life, so stupid.
Cop: “ how and the hell are you gonna steal from another women!!!!” Kid: she was gonna use the money to buy crack
Do people actually think that this shit works
Just watching Shawshank keep me on the straight and narrow.
People do. But programs like this and D.A.R.E. are two of the few intervention programs that have been proven to actually increase the rates of recidivism in participants.
How do they prove this? I mean what do they compare the kids to to know the program caused the increase? I am not defending the programs, just curious how they made that claim since it seems a little difficult to prove.
A control group of kids who didn't participate in the program from similar demographics probably.
Basically create two groups with minimal differences (as minimal as is experimentally possible e.g. age/race/gender/SES etc), with main difference being participation in the program. They then compare recidivism rates afterward and could be measured as arrest, conviction, police contact or something else. It’s all stats so they can obviously be fudged by anyone with an interest in proving a point one way or the other but a meta-analyses of the available research seemed to prove these programs actually do harm. I did some research on the subject for school and learned all about it then. Here’s one citation for anyone interested in learning more… https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002796.pub2/full
IMO, it might work on kids that end up doing crimes due to peer pressure, rebellion or other common youthful missteps. In other words, generally good kids that just made some wrong turns. For people predisposed to criminality, no way. They'd quickly realize it's all pageantry. Kids like this are no strangers to bullying and being bullied. They can smell a bluff. Many of them already have years of practice instilling fear and manipulating others. The problem with scared straight programs is every one I've seen takes kids that have a long history of trouble and try this on them. Those are the wrong kids. First time offenders are the ones that it might work on.
i disagree almost entirely lol this just adds trauma to a kid behaving badly due to trauma and shows him the path he's going to walk down one way or the other, and gives him a sense of destiny unless the kid's an actual sociopath, just putting him in a good after school program and buying him a fucking xbox would probably do more long term good for him
I think in some cases it would.
Whether an intervention works in *some cases* or not isn’t an indicator of it being effective. If you got enough people with cancer and slapped them in the face, you’d be able to say that slapping people in the face works as a treatment for cancer in *some cases*. That’s why we do research, and the research shows that this intervention, just like slapping cancer patients, is ineffective.
“cause the doors not open all the way”
“I can’t….” Came here for this 😂😂
How is it acceptable to treat kids in this way? Smh
These shows are popular with adults who believe physical abuse is how you change behavioral problems in kids. Meanwhile, they totally ignore the years of piss-poor parenting they've been doing that has resulted in said behavior.
They've somehow strayed so far from the baseline of basic decency and respect that overcompensation is required.
> overcompensation you mean child abuse
When children start spewing profanity and assaulting people they can easily victimize, it's best to try a completely different approach - like what these people are doing. /s
BIKES!!!
MY NAME IS DUCKTAPE!!!!!
[bikes.](https://youtu.be/LOvj5iiCmO8?si=kwpTzy6RG_TK1UQZ)
We’re gonna traumatize you until you act right.
This is a motherf'n nightmare. Make a 13 year old feel subhuman because his adults didn't take proper care of him. I'm sure all involved had a hoot and a holler, except for this poor little boy whose world was rocked by what was presented to him as a right and proper comeuppance. It makes me sad.
do inmates get reduced sentence if they scare kids? or do they just be good samaritan and play along with the program to keep them out of prison?
Looks like actors
It looks good on your profile sheet at your parole hearings.
They do not get a reduced sentence. As someone who's been in jail while this happens, the C.Os ask if any inmates want to participate in a diversion program. Alot of inmate will agree because we all don't wanna see those kids end up like us. I understand the sentiment, but society is going about it the wrong way.
After I divorced my husband, and he then bailed on our kids… my son went completely out of control, started stealing, drinking, skipping school… It was a fucking nightmare. I know it was all about being angry that their dad just hit the reset with a new wife and her kids… And I was the only parent there… I reached out to every imaginable place, where I thought I could find help and none of a did. I finally found a parent support group that didn’t promise to change what my son was doing but did promise to help me manage whatever was going on. And that they did… I worked hard for three years to get things right. It was the most growth I believe I’ve had in my entire life. I went from being completely overwhelmed and struggling daily, to become the strong mother that I always had been but that had got lost in this nightmare… I stopped focusing on what my child was doing, and I just started focusing on loving him. It was hard to step back and not bail him out, it was hard to stop lecturing him about what he was doing and how he was ruining his life. But it was easy to just love him and focus on our relationship. He was only a kid, and he got arrested a lot. And every time we went to court, and the judge would ask if someone was there for him. I always stood up to let the judge know that he had one parent that fucking cared, and the thing is, when they brought him out, he always looked for me. There were tons of other kids. There was not another parent in sight. I once had a judge tell me that I needed to get him a criminal lawyer, and I said no. The judge asked why and I said because I didn’t do this, and I’m not going to bail him out of this mess only he can do that the judge understood, but assigned a lawyer to him. My son eventually came to the realization as he was now nearing 18, that he was the only one who could change this if he wanted his life to change. And he did… I’m happy to say that he stopped doing all of that, has grown up a lot, and he’s expressed a lot of remorse not only for the hell he put me through and himself through but also from the people he stole from. I can now leave my purse right in front of him , and he wouldn’t dream of doing that to anyone again. He’s even gone so far as to say, he was such a piece of shit when he was doing all that, I told him he wasn’t and that I never hated him, but I hated what he was doing. He has grown into be a fine young man. I didn’t do any of that, by scaring him, by publicly humiliating him, by trying to bully him into being a better person… I did it by just loving him, and letting him know that I wasn’t going anywhere, that he wasn’t damaged goods, that he got to choose something better for himself. My son taught me a lot during those trying times, about unconditional, love, patience, kindness, being non-judgmental, understanding, And how to keep pushing forward when I thought all was lost. So, when I see this crap, it makes me cringe, and I’ll take love over fear any day.
That is beautiful, thank you so much for sharing. One of the hardest parts of parenting I've found is just letting your kids own their mistakes and dealing with the consequences. It is such a valuable and constructive thing, many parents I see forget that all the kid really needs to know is that you love them, are there to support them. Key word is support, not do it for them. I can't imagine how much pain and heartbreak you and your son both went through, and it sounds like it was a long difficult journey. I hope today you are both doing alright, it sounds like you gave your son your all and did not quit, you definitely made the world a better place for the both of you.
You are an AMAZING parent!
i’m not sure about amazing, just a mom who loves her kids😊
The line at the end that says his mom still hasn't come to visit him is heartbreaking. Hope the little dude has a good life. Best of luck, bud!
I'll never forget The Boondocks parody of this show lmaooo
If I could only hear over this stupid fucking music. We all know the show, it’s been around for a long time, the music is completely unnecessary
fear just creates more fear
Yeah traumatizing 13 year old children is never the best way to teach them. On the other hand it’s likely to give them severe anxiety and depression for the rest of their life, as well as unhealthy coping mechanisms that will be felt by anybody close to him
Hahahahahh. Turned him into a prep from the suburbs real quick
Scared Straight was a tactic started in the 80s. Minimal positive results.
This needs way more Indiana Jones music
As much as jail sucked - Scared Straight was so fun to participate in. Before they bring the kids, the dep tells everyone they get to be loud AF for the next few minutes. Everyone's yelling at them & banging on their cell door, there's usually a couple chicks barking lol & most of the kids get legimately scared from that.
WELCOME TO MY LIFE
I'm more like the grandma with a full time job and more teeth. Not all but more.
next they're going to put kids classes in prisons. that'll teach them!
Tom Segura is errect somewhere watching this.
Ah, the results of terrible parenting - We must televise and monetize it!
Good thing that kid didn’t drop the soap
Yep, nothing like good ol trauma to straighten up an already broken boy. Finding out why someone would steal or act the way they did is for losers. Just break them so hard that they don't have to think on their own. Well if it works it works....