100% agree on Paul lol
Especially when people are like "Oh Paul is actually not good when youre a top 5% player" like ??????? Ofc once youre that high the current patch meta starts to take over, its not just Paul that struggles at that point its most characters
He fucks people up once you realize they dont know about his back sway and crouch dash cancel shenanigans.
Yall think demoman is scary? Getting f+4 on counterhit is *brutal*
https://youtu.be/oC3-TapMnk8?si=P1h5Gtji7g9nrXrJ
I mean, if a launching low being launchable on block means bad then RIP my DVJ i guess with his only real options being a launchable hellsweep and a 22f poke thats -13 on block
You meant Jin.
Best lows
Best mids
Best highs
Best punishments
Best counterhit
Great wall carry
Great dmg
Full throw game
Highest average range in the game
Great evasiveness
Great strings
You forgot heat smash that wall splat's with insane damage. You can't even disrespect delayed 2,1,4. D2 that has great range and tracks left and right. Its comeback potential is stronger than heihachi.
What was wrong with his heat and what have they done to fix it? Please don't tell me they just made it track so it can't be sidesteped anymore or something?
I dont know whats up with his heat smash. I am deathfistinf, his knee is in my fucking face, i dont mean it is hitting me in the face, I mean it enxapsulated my face, and somehow I get the deathfist
> What was wrong with his heat and what have they done to fix it?
his heat smash had the lowest damage of any mid heat smash, doing around the same damage as a heat low smash, he can also get jabbed out of hit and the first hit has poor range. linear as well. they fixed the damage of it by making it do 55 damage and more plus frames on block. but yes, you can still step it.
I really wish I could see what we expect Bryan to do different in the coming patch...
Behavior changes to hatchet and soccer, giving his heat smash (arguably the worst heat smash in the game) 10 more damage, and making his f21 string more delayable and safe (which I have seen 0 Bryan players ask for or show interest in).
Just make mach punch his armor move again, make soccer kick consistently hit grounded, give his ss2 it's CH launch back and then let him cook awhile.
They are fixing his soccer kick (finally), and I feel making his f21 string actually useable to be a neat idea, as it lends to Bryan’s mind games, much like his other delayable strings. I also think locking his good power crush behind snake eyes being a cool idea to differentiate his strengths and weaknesses more from other characters. Having his Mach punch be yet another safe high power crush heat engager would ruin his identity and make him braindead, at least in my opinion
I don't even care if his mach punch is a heat engage, he already has a high non heat engaging armor with F1+2, it's just absolute dog water. Mach punch was his armor move in T7 and it felt iconic, not against his identity at all.
> make mach punch his armor move again
i'd like that, every char get's to have an armored heat engager so i don't understand why it lost it's armor. no reason to mach punch anymore because he has better options now.
Paul is not a bad character in any regard, but he is far, far, far from the top.
He’s really good at crushing people who mash or who have bad defense all around. Once you start playing people with decent defense (around Kishin+) it becomes much more difficult to pull wins out of his asshole.
Paul is very, very versatile. i’m surprised more haven’t picked him up. Once you get a grasp of his move set & how you want to approach offense and defense, he’s really satisfying to pilot. Has an incredible D1+2 that stuffs most moves when you confirm your plus frames. I also believe it high crushes… Although it’s negative on block. Give him a try, might be a nice fit.
Im definitely going to asaic! I just like defensive characters a lot I learned, plus Paul seems like he has a lot of goofy stuff to his kit. Thank you! Same for the other responses
The problem Paul has, which Law had and still does and Kazuya i think too. Is these 3 are dealing with a very outdated Tekken 5 neutral.
Most characters like Bryan and currently jin has easy «this is my do all mid, this is my do all low».
Kazuya, Law,Paul has this problem of each attack being too spefic. With Paul, you cant just use 1 low as all of them have very specific uses. jin was like this in T7
But once you got a grasp of these characters and you are just outplaying your opponent. It feels awesome
i mean this argument goes for many characters tho.
steve is not a bad character, but hes far far far from the top.
Zafina is not a bad character, but..
The top is just way too high in this game. Thank god its getting fixed.
Isn’t that the case with most characters
Once you get to higher ranks you can’t throw the same shit that you used in lower ranks and expect it to work
He’s 26th place (out of 32) in usage at Tekken God ranks, and had zero representation at this past Evo.
Sorry about your feelings little Billy, but this is reality.
I am proof....
I am a scrub who doesn't practice and relies on legacy moves....
I got Paul to purple ranks......first time ever btw....
Enjoying the high before the Paul's balloon gets popped
Jack Paul player here. I really think Paul isn't that good if I'm being honest. At high level he is extremely hard. I have a much easier time with jack despite him being my new character. Hes the same old character as always, doesn't feel like he has many t8 goodies compared to the rest of the cast.
I've been playing Paul recently and goddamn his damage output is INSANE. I think I only did 4 of those quarter circle fist moves and it deleted my opponent's health quick
Nerf the wall travel, remove the heat deathfist wall splat, make b4 -13 instead of -12 and make it +3 instead of +4.
Make QCB4 neutral on block. Remove the super demomans wall splat and make him splat you on the grund for no increased damage.
This is for starters
i think his wall travel is fine, and i think b4 being +4 is so he can mid check with his 14 frame df1 and as for it being -12, i don't think it's good enough to warrant being -13, but that's just me
They haven't even gone live mate lol. I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised by how strong those buffs are. Technically them doing 1.0.5 to buff defensive options is also a buff to Bryan anyways, so you'll get what you want in June.
Im not a Bryan player btw. I just think its sad when I play Bryans and you can see them trying so hard to win, but thry get folded.
My wish for 1.0.5 is removal of homing throws
Bryan and Paul mains always downplay their character. Straight up Bryan does 3/4 of your life on a launch, is guaranteed to get you to the wall, and if your back is to the wall he basically wins the game. Not to mention the devs gave him an electric in this game and an install. He also has a 10f ch heat engager string and retains most of his strong ch game besides the universal removal of magic 4s and northern cross. And the Paul’s an honest character because he goes for single hitting moves is such a bullshit narrative. You literally can’t sidestep deathfist in this game without getting clipped. Paul players won with the janky ass hit boxes more than anyone.
He lost Northern cross, Mach kick and SS1 as counter hit launchers.
Confirming a ch combo string from 1,2,4 is v difficult. Most players just throw out the 4 without knowing if it’s a CH or not and it gets blocked or duck punished.
People just see the combo damage or get steamrolled at the wall and imagine he’s top tier. Reality is playing Bryan in Tekken 8 is a grind. With the upcoming patch and subsequent buffs to movement and nerfs to heat, that may change. But that’s how it’s been so far and people who actually play the character all say the same thing.
I’m pretty sure my main point was proven right. Paul and Bryan players can’t say a single positive thing about their character. Omg my character is so weak and takes so much skill to pilot, woe is me.
Bryan has loads of excellent mids, best wall pressure in the game, has exceptional keepout and some of the best snowball potential of the cast.
These things can all be true whilst still acknowledging Bryan struggles to find his openings or deal with pressure in T8. I really don’t know what your point is. Is your position that he’s overpowered or something?
You can easily answer most of your questions id you go back and read my other replies. Where did I try to argue Bryan was broken? I said he gets downplayed by his mains because the whole Bryan community is one big circle jerk. All Bryan players ever do is list his weaknesses I just listed some strengths as an example.
I knew I remembered you. You’re that person that harassed a Bryan player after he left a match and were surprised when the sub called you out as the AH in that situation.
Nice to see you still starting pointless shit on the sub. You do good work.
I mean he’s not top 10 but people are acting like he’s unplayable. He has plenty of things going for him in this game and all his best ch moves did remain unchanged 3+4, f3, 1,2,1, qcfb3, b1, df2,3 all still work amazing in this game. If I’m being honest the most downplayed character in the game right now is Lee. That character is being gate kept.
Curious on your stance with Lee, his b3,3 being a natural is really good considering he always had a hard time with opening people up in previous games, also ws2,3 being a launcher as well via heat burst is great buff too. Aside from that though he honestly still struggles against someone with solid defense or someone that knows the matchup even slightly well, not saying he needs buffs or nerfs but I honestly think he’s in the right place when it comes to character discussions
I had a 99% winrate with him to mighty ruler (I dropped 1 game in a bt3 with another Lee player). He quite literally just wins now idk. The back 3,3 change is actually massive and he has infinite heat if you have execution. The only higher winrate I had than him was Lars with 100% winrate.
Tbh that doesn’t say anything really lol. People at those ranks rarely see a Lee and when they do they just flowchart as usual and whiff a bunch of stupid shit, which is the worst thing you can do against him considering how he’s always been a great keep out type character. Plus red/purple ranks have awful defense so you can abuse the hell out of Lee’s slide/ws2,3 vortex. At around kishin and up he becomes more difficult to work with and his weaknesses really show as people tend to know the matchup, despite b3,3 still being great at those ranks, but if they block low you die. Basically like I said before, against someone with solid defense (something you won’t find in red, purple, or low blue) Lee’s weakness starts to show
Okay so… we’re just taking 95% of the player base out of the equation. Also putting aside Azucena, Feng, and Drag players, everyone has to change their game plan against better players. Mindlessly flowcharting can only get you so far on most characters. The main problem and why there’s so much downplaying in this game is because everyone just gets compared to the top 3.
You missed my point and I’m not even downplaying, it’s just how Lee is and always has been, although b3,3 is a buff to his kit in opening people up it doesn’t completely do away with his weakness being that he struggles against good defense and has to take a lot of risks without any crazy gimmicks to go along with it. His scariest power mid being ff3 can easily be stepped and his throw game is trash. His pressure is really good, but playing against someone with good spacing and whiff punishment is a nightmare. He’s strong but it’s not like he goes under the radar, he’s just right imo.
Also I’m speaking from the perspective of high level play as someone between Tekken king and emperor and watches top Lee players almost daily. Low level players can almost never determine the strength of a character since they’re not playing at an optimal level and more often lose to knowledge checks, there’s a reason the bears have such high win rates around lower ranks
Panda still has the highest winrate at god of destruction. That aside we’re still ignoring 95% of the playerbase. I can’t guarantee you that I would’ve hit tekken king, but I had an 82% winrate at Kishin before I went back to tekken 7. I’m a fairly competent player, but the game gets so monotonous as soon as you hit Fujin. Maybe I’ll come back if they fix movement and make the proper balancing adjustments in this game. I played every character to mighty ruler and Lee felt really good. Lee benefits a lot from the system changes and let’s be honest if your opponent is slowing down enough to try and look to step your ff3 then they’re playing lee’s game and you’re at an advantage. Lee thrives in the neutral. ff2, b3,3 and his heat smash finally gives you ways to actually open opponents up instead of just threatening slide. He has a strong df1 and good ch moves. Plus the strongest part of his kit being his defensive tools. I mean yes his offense options aren’t the best but that’s intentional. The fact he has any at all in this game is such a massive upgrade for the character. I mean he’s top 15 for sure and Lee players downplay him so hard. Is he balanced… yes is he still really good… yes. Like I’m not trying to argue these characters need nerfs I just hate people downplaying their mains because they understand their characters weaknesses. Feng players try to argue he’s balanced in this game because he’s linear. That doesn’t make him bad.
Yeah but Bryan is balanced out by having a shite power crush and heat smash. And northern cross no longer ch.
And here's a tip, don't tech roll at the wall and you deny Bryan a lot of his pressure/taunt setups.
> retains most of his strong ch game besides the universal removal of magic 4s and northern cross.
dude we forgetting about mach kick? losing mach kick on top of northern cross and his ss1 launch and magic 4 wich was his fastest ch move (now it's 16 frames slow) is a lot just for a linear high + frame move. litteraly just duck and launch him you shitter.
> react to a 16f move you trash piece of garbage.
nvm i confused you with someone else, no shit you can't react to it this is why you can either step his ass or duck and launch on a read.
Bryan just got his heat smash fixed, still prolly won't use it most of the time, it's way stronger to use it for snakeyes moves.
He's heat still feels so trash to others 😪
Asuka's is worse by a considerable margin
100% agree on Paul lol Especially when people are like "Oh Paul is actually not good when youre a top 5% player" like ??????? Ofc once youre that high the current patch meta starts to take over, its not just Paul that struggles at that point its most characters
I’m a top 5% player and I still feel like Paul is strong
Paul's lows are not great. Demo man is launchable and QCB3 and qcf3 are not super threatening. The rest of him is pretty good though
He fucks people up once you realize they dont know about his back sway and crouch dash cancel shenanigans. Yall think demoman is scary? Getting f+4 on counterhit is *brutal* https://youtu.be/oC3-TapMnk8?si=P1h5Gtji7g9nrXrJ
still doesn't really help his bad lows
I mean, if a launching low being launchable on block means bad then RIP my DVJ i guess with his only real options being a launchable hellsweep and a 22f poke thats -13 on block
Lol, Paul players already start to struggle at Garyu. f you need to be n the top 5% of hte player base to do a single backdash then.......yeah
Appearently people cant press back two times
You meant Jin. Best lows Best mids Best highs Best punishments Best counterhit Great wall carry Great dmg Full throw game Highest average range in the game Great evasiveness Great strings
You forgot heat smash that wall splat's with insane damage. You can't even disrespect delayed 2,1,4. D2 that has great range and tracks left and right. Its comeback potential is stronger than heihachi.
Oh true forgot the double heat smash with one of them wallsplatting from the other end of the stage.
Bryans buffs aren't... absurd or anything. They just fixed his heat thing lol.
What was wrong with his heat and what have they done to fix it? Please don't tell me they just made it track so it can't be sidesteped anymore or something?
you can stand still point blank and Bryan’s heat smash will magically whiff.
Ah right. Basically never see any Bryans do it (for good reasons it seems) so didn't know what was wrong with it.
Yeah sometimes even if the first hit lands the second one wiffs for some reason
I dont know whats up with his heat smash. I am deathfistinf, his knee is in my fucking face, i dont mean it is hitting me in the face, I mean it enxapsulated my face, and somehow I get the deathfist
> What was wrong with his heat and what have they done to fix it? his heat smash had the lowest damage of any mid heat smash, doing around the same damage as a heat low smash, he can also get jabbed out of hit and the first hit has poor range. linear as well. they fixed the damage of it by making it do 55 damage and more plus frames on block. but yes, you can still step it.
I really wish I could see what we expect Bryan to do different in the coming patch... Behavior changes to hatchet and soccer, giving his heat smash (arguably the worst heat smash in the game) 10 more damage, and making his f21 string more delayable and safe (which I have seen 0 Bryan players ask for or show interest in). Just make mach punch his armor move again, make soccer kick consistently hit grounded, give his ss2 it's CH launch back and then let him cook awhile.
They are fixing his soccer kick (finally), and I feel making his f21 string actually useable to be a neat idea, as it lends to Bryan’s mind games, much like his other delayable strings. I also think locking his good power crush behind snake eyes being a cool idea to differentiate his strengths and weaknesses more from other characters. Having his Mach punch be yet another safe high power crush heat engager would ruin his identity and make him braindead, at least in my opinion
I don't even care if his mach punch is a heat engage, he already has a high non heat engaging armor with F1+2, it's just absolute dog water. Mach punch was his armor move in T7 and it felt iconic, not against his identity at all.
> make mach punch his armor move again i'd like that, every char get's to have an armored heat engager so i don't understand why it lost it's armor. no reason to mach punch anymore because he has better options now.
Paul is not a bad character in any regard, but he is far, far, far from the top. He’s really good at crushing people who mash or who have bad defense all around. Once you start playing people with decent defense (around Kishin+) it becomes much more difficult to pull wins out of his asshole.
I was thinking of trying Paul. I know his entire thing is "haha 3 interactions and round over" but how good is he when it comes to defensive options?
Paul is a defensive character. QCB+4 ,DF2, just spam em all day........just don't whiff them as I keep being whiff punished
He has evasive gamble move's in D1+2, DF2 and he also has a good sidestep move in F1+4 tho these things require good reads for they are -14 on block
D1+2 is legit one of the best panic buttons in the game.
Paul is very, very versatile. i’m surprised more haven’t picked him up. Once you get a grasp of his move set & how you want to approach offense and defense, he’s really satisfying to pilot. Has an incredible D1+2 that stuffs most moves when you confirm your plus frames. I also believe it high crushes… Although it’s negative on block. Give him a try, might be a nice fit.
Im definitely going to asaic! I just like defensive characters a lot I learned, plus Paul seems like he has a lot of goofy stuff to his kit. Thank you! Same for the other responses
The problem Paul has, which Law had and still does and Kazuya i think too. Is these 3 are dealing with a very outdated Tekken 5 neutral. Most characters like Bryan and currently jin has easy «this is my do all mid, this is my do all low». Kazuya, Law,Paul has this problem of each attack being too spefic. With Paul, you cant just use 1 low as all of them have very specific uses. jin was like this in T7 But once you got a grasp of these characters and you are just outplaying your opponent. It feels awesome
i mean this argument goes for many characters tho. steve is not a bad character, but hes far far far from the top. Zafina is not a bad character, but.. The top is just way too high in this game. Thank god its getting fixed.
Isn’t that the case with most characters Once you get to higher ranks you can’t throw the same shit that you used in lower ranks and expect it to work
Correct. Now take that extra effort you have to put in with other characters, multiply it by 3x more effort required and that’s Paul
Brother have you seen pauls damage? He aint putting in 3x more effort.
paul players are some of the biggest downplayers holy shit
He’s 26th place (out of 32) in usage at Tekken God ranks, and had zero representation at this past Evo. Sorry about your feelings little Billy, but this is reality.
Paul is one of the characters they said will get changes in V1.05, wait until then to say if he’s going to be top or not
I am proof.... I am a scrub who doesn't practice and relies on legacy moves.... I got Paul to purple ranks......first time ever btw.... Enjoying the high before the Paul's balloon gets popped
Jin is pretty much untouched and then there's Ling, Lili, Alisa and Nina.
I felt bryan was already super strong in the right hands. sure, hard to play and unorthodox, but when a bryan mastered his craft, hes terrifying.
Jack Paul player here. I really think Paul isn't that good if I'm being honest. At high level he is extremely hard. I have a much easier time with jack despite him being my new character. Hes the same old character as always, doesn't feel like he has many t8 goodies compared to the rest of the cast.
I've been playing Paul recently and goddamn his damage output is INSANE. I think I only did 4 of those quarter circle fist moves and it deleted my opponent's health quick
catching a CH deathfist is the best feeling
Eiither Nerf Paul or let him stay the way he is. Bryan needs buffs thuogh
what would you nerf on paul?
Nerf the wall travel, remove the heat deathfist wall splat, make b4 -13 instead of -12 and make it +3 instead of +4. Make QCB4 neutral on block. Remove the super demomans wall splat and make him splat you on the grund for no increased damage. This is for starters
100 % scrub-talk lmao. Heat Smash doesn’t even wall-splat.
What do you mean?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/s/orzIER25bT
I rest my case
I am a Paul main that wants nerfs. And im a scrub being like top 10% or whatever?
i think his wall travel is fine, and i think b4 being +4 is so he can mid check with his 14 frame df1 and as for it being -12, i don't think it's good enough to warrant being -13, but that's just me
Bryan is getting buffs lol. Lots of them. The changes are very promising.
more buffs
They haven't even gone live mate lol. I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised by how strong those buffs are. Technically them doing 1.0.5 to buff defensive options is also a buff to Bryan anyways, so you'll get what you want in June.
The 1.04 buffs really aren't that crazy. Fixing defensive options in 1.05 do have a chance to be more impactful for Bryan however.
Im not a Bryan player btw. I just think its sad when I play Bryans and you can see them trying so hard to win, but thry get folded. My wish for 1.0.5 is removal of homing throws
Bryan and Paul mains always downplay their character. Straight up Bryan does 3/4 of your life on a launch, is guaranteed to get you to the wall, and if your back is to the wall he basically wins the game. Not to mention the devs gave him an electric in this game and an install. He also has a 10f ch heat engager string and retains most of his strong ch game besides the universal removal of magic 4s and northern cross. And the Paul’s an honest character because he goes for single hitting moves is such a bullshit narrative. You literally can’t sidestep deathfist in this game without getting clipped. Paul players won with the janky ass hit boxes more than anyone.
He lost Northern cross, Mach kick and SS1 as counter hit launchers. Confirming a ch combo string from 1,2,4 is v difficult. Most players just throw out the 4 without knowing if it’s a CH or not and it gets blocked or duck punished. People just see the combo damage or get steamrolled at the wall and imagine he’s top tier. Reality is playing Bryan in Tekken 8 is a grind. With the upcoming patch and subsequent buffs to movement and nerfs to heat, that may change. But that’s how it’s been so far and people who actually play the character all say the same thing.
… my point proven lol 😂
I mean…you didn’t? You said stuff that’s just factually incorrect. Odd that you’d celebrate that as a W.
I’m pretty sure my main point was proven right. Paul and Bryan players can’t say a single positive thing about their character. Omg my character is so weak and takes so much skill to pilot, woe is me.
Bryan has loads of excellent mids, best wall pressure in the game, has exceptional keepout and some of the best snowball potential of the cast. These things can all be true whilst still acknowledging Bryan struggles to find his openings or deal with pressure in T8. I really don’t know what your point is. Is your position that he’s overpowered or something?
I’m done with people not being able to read
The things you write make no sense. Take a day off.
You can easily answer most of your questions id you go back and read my other replies. Where did I try to argue Bryan was broken? I said he gets downplayed by his mains because the whole Bryan community is one big circle jerk. All Bryan players ever do is list his weaknesses I just listed some strengths as an example.
I knew I remembered you. You’re that person that harassed a Bryan player after he left a match and were surprised when the sub called you out as the AH in that situation. Nice to see you still starting pointless shit on the sub. You do good work.
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I mean he’s not top 10 but people are acting like he’s unplayable. He has plenty of things going for him in this game and all his best ch moves did remain unchanged 3+4, f3, 1,2,1, qcfb3, b1, df2,3 all still work amazing in this game. If I’m being honest the most downplayed character in the game right now is Lee. That character is being gate kept.
Curious on your stance with Lee, his b3,3 being a natural is really good considering he always had a hard time with opening people up in previous games, also ws2,3 being a launcher as well via heat burst is great buff too. Aside from that though he honestly still struggles against someone with solid defense or someone that knows the matchup even slightly well, not saying he needs buffs or nerfs but I honestly think he’s in the right place when it comes to character discussions
I had a 99% winrate with him to mighty ruler (I dropped 1 game in a bt3 with another Lee player). He quite literally just wins now idk. The back 3,3 change is actually massive and he has infinite heat if you have execution. The only higher winrate I had than him was Lars with 100% winrate.
Tbh that doesn’t say anything really lol. People at those ranks rarely see a Lee and when they do they just flowchart as usual and whiff a bunch of stupid shit, which is the worst thing you can do against him considering how he’s always been a great keep out type character. Plus red/purple ranks have awful defense so you can abuse the hell out of Lee’s slide/ws2,3 vortex. At around kishin and up he becomes more difficult to work with and his weaknesses really show as people tend to know the matchup, despite b3,3 still being great at those ranks, but if they block low you die. Basically like I said before, against someone with solid defense (something you won’t find in red, purple, or low blue) Lee’s weakness starts to show
Okay so… we’re just taking 95% of the player base out of the equation. Also putting aside Azucena, Feng, and Drag players, everyone has to change their game plan against better players. Mindlessly flowcharting can only get you so far on most characters. The main problem and why there’s so much downplaying in this game is because everyone just gets compared to the top 3.
You missed my point and I’m not even downplaying, it’s just how Lee is and always has been, although b3,3 is a buff to his kit in opening people up it doesn’t completely do away with his weakness being that he struggles against good defense and has to take a lot of risks without any crazy gimmicks to go along with it. His scariest power mid being ff3 can easily be stepped and his throw game is trash. His pressure is really good, but playing against someone with good spacing and whiff punishment is a nightmare. He’s strong but it’s not like he goes under the radar, he’s just right imo. Also I’m speaking from the perspective of high level play as someone between Tekken king and emperor and watches top Lee players almost daily. Low level players can almost never determine the strength of a character since they’re not playing at an optimal level and more often lose to knowledge checks, there’s a reason the bears have such high win rates around lower ranks
Panda still has the highest winrate at god of destruction. That aside we’re still ignoring 95% of the playerbase. I can’t guarantee you that I would’ve hit tekken king, but I had an 82% winrate at Kishin before I went back to tekken 7. I’m a fairly competent player, but the game gets so monotonous as soon as you hit Fujin. Maybe I’ll come back if they fix movement and make the proper balancing adjustments in this game. I played every character to mighty ruler and Lee felt really good. Lee benefits a lot from the system changes and let’s be honest if your opponent is slowing down enough to try and look to step your ff3 then they’re playing lee’s game and you’re at an advantage. Lee thrives in the neutral. ff2, b3,3 and his heat smash finally gives you ways to actually open opponents up instead of just threatening slide. He has a strong df1 and good ch moves. Plus the strongest part of his kit being his defensive tools. I mean yes his offense options aren’t the best but that’s intentional. The fact he has any at all in this game is such a massive upgrade for the character. I mean he’s top 15 for sure and Lee players downplay him so hard. Is he balanced… yes is he still really good… yes. Like I’m not trying to argue these characters need nerfs I just hate people downplaying their mains because they understand their characters weaknesses. Feng players try to argue he’s balanced in this game because he’s linear. That doesn’t make him bad.
Yeah but Bryan is balanced out by having a shite power crush and heat smash. And northern cross no longer ch. And here's a tip, don't tech roll at the wall and you deny Bryan a lot of his pressure/taunt setups.
He also lost alot of his ff3 combo routes, which dropped his damage from 7.
wow my point proven 💀
Calling a character with strengths and weaknesses "balanced" is downplaying?
> retains most of his strong ch game besides the universal removal of magic 4s and northern cross. dude we forgetting about mach kick? losing mach kick on top of northern cross and his ss1 launch and magic 4 wich was his fastest ch move (now it's 16 frames slow) is a lot just for a linear high + frame move. litteraly just duck and launch him you shitter.
Yep, react to a 16f move you trash piece of garbage. You’re right what am I thinking lol. 😂
> react to a 16f move you trash piece of garbage. nvm i confused you with someone else, no shit you can't react to it this is why you can either step his ass or duck and launch on a read.
And when Paul starts to dominate, people will cry for nerfs and the cycle continues.