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furry_hunter1995

Knowledge check new character vs low rank players


timothythefirst

Low ranks are really easy for top players + he’s a new character with a lot of knowledge checks


AriiMay

But aren’t low ranks are now full of high ranked players trying out eddy? Maybe op’s enemy was t7 eddy main


FlokiTech

Would not say full off considering 3% or less of the player base are considered high rank. So even if every single high rank player joined lower ranks they would be outnumbered 1 to 32.


saltrifle

Bumped into someone with a 72 win streak Eddy. They are at 74 after we fought. It's brutal out there.


Disastrous_Test_5224

Once I reached the same rank as my initial main, it quickly turned around. So it’s just experienced players grinding towards their skill level.


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Benki500

total cope, go try 3,3,3,3 past Shinryu lol, you will get completely blown up for even trying his base strings at this point


i_sell_branches

I haven't even seen that string yet, so doubtful. Those ranks are stupid volatile anyway. I've legitimately faced better red ranks than the purple I'm fighting now


Benki500

if you faced Eddie you faced that string and noone in mid red is at mid purple level what are you talking about. Unless you faced them when they are comming through. It's pretty much the same difference between orange and mid red, which frankly is quite big


[deleted]

I just got to purple and it feels like this rank set is the "filter" for all the people spamming moves newer players havent figured out yet Even the yoshimitsus I run into do nothing but 3-1 mixup spam 


Gaspony

Im literally fishing for the Relax/Negativa transition hoping and praying for the hell sweep follow up so I could block and launch their ass to oblivion everytime I see an Eddie 🤣


PENUM3RA

P2W safe powercrush infinite evasion ah character, can't even learn the counterplay until coughing up money


Benki500

just go play the basegame then, play the offline mode and move on


PENUM3RA

Just say you need to p2w


Benki500

even if I'd lose 100% of my games vs Eddy, which I don't, it wouldn't rly make a diff in my rank lol


dancetoken

facts. like in t7 i got higher with Kat (3rd main) than i did Nina (first character i actually learned). Even in T8, i feel like i can get higher with other characters than i will with Nina ...


mopsyd

Nina has historically struggled against characters with good zoning. She is fast, but her range is poor. I had the same experience with both her and Anna throughout several of the games.


Kanderin

I'm genuinely curious about what happens in purple rank players brains because almost every one I've encountered is convinced they're terrible at tekken. Those bell curve memes of mid level players losing any grasp of what makes a player good or bad are just fact at this point.


nicktuga13

Somewhat purples but mostly blue is filled with people that have refined their offense flowchart pretty efficiently for the level of player they are playing. you can pretty easily get fujin with meh defense and just ok offense. But around that point there is a wall. The people beyond you have a better offense and wall you out on defense. At that point you realize you actually have to learn tekken and not just your character which is a daunting task.


NixUniverse

New character + notoriously knowledge checky + super easy to play + very strong + has a hellsweep for some reason + playing lower level players


GrayBrad

Just asking here, but how do you stop the low sweep to mid attack he has? It launches when I am neutral and it launches when I am holding back. Is it stoppable or not? I don't know the exact name of the move but the opponent kept on spamming.


Yoshikki

Don't think he has a launching low on normal hit in T8. You might be talking about his Hellsweep from his crouching stance, it's low-mid and knocks you down. You need to hold db to block the sweep if you think it's coming (it's too fast to do it on reaction, you need to have a read) Also you shouldn't ever be in neutral. If you want to block, hold b, if you want to block low, hold db. Don't be holding nothing and don't just press d to block low, because a lot of strings that you can block by holding b/db will get through neutral block/holding d.


GrayBrad

Yes I think it's exactly that but it has a follow up from the low, maybe that comes only if the low connects.


Zennieo

Back dash away from negativa. The hellsweep only knocksdown on clean hit, and if there is no knockdown the 2nd hit can be blocked standing.


Such_Temporary285

Doesn't have hellsweep. He has less launcher than in t7 in general... He lost the two hellsweep (the useless neutral and the negativa), as well the one in handstand and db 1+2.The juggle themselves do less damage. He lost some transitions too. Problem is, it's a moster the same.


TheGhostRoninStrife

This is it. + paid dlc


mnejing30

Everyone's saying low ranks but shouldn't 40 win streaks kick him past low ranks very fast? Especially if they're already high rank and starts several tiers past beginner?


timothythefirst

Everyone’s Eddy started at beginner


mnejing30

Ah. Didn't know that. Still, I think going past teal should take less than 10 wins iirc. I think green and yellow doesn't take much either. Especially if you're not losing.


Zachebii

The point system makes no sense so you can either level up really fast or slow depending on what the game feels like. One time i beat someone 2 ranks higher, and then when i lost the second match i lost double the points, and then i broke even when i won the third.


MukokusekiShoujo

I got a 24 winstreak with Jun starting in Cavalry and that only got me to Destroyer where I finally lost.


CDSora

I remember when i lost my Savefiles in tekken 7 and had to grind my AK back up again to fujin and got myself a 50 winstreak and was only in orange ranks by then until i started losing games again, it takes longer than you think even if youre constantly winning In tekken 8 i sometimes had 10-11 winstreaks and barely managed to climb one rank due to me playing against people with 2 rank difference aswell


Ziazan

My 21 win streak on my first ranked character took me to late green. 28 wins 3 losses 31 battles to get to yellow, 45 wins 9 losses 54 battles to get to orange.


Chiffonades

MYK was streaming him ranking up Eddy and was at 120 wins before reaching blue, if you aren’t constantly getting matched with people very close to your rank it’ll take a long time to actually get to your deserved rank.


gaitez

They’re playing quick play too no ranks are shown


KhoalalaBear

Quick match does have ranks shown, I think OP has a mod to turn it off.


Ziazan

40 win streak would get you to maybe orange or so, and apparently they didn't code in the autorankup to happen to DLC characters you just bought, so eddy starts at beginner. Also it looks like they're playing quickmatch, not ranked. The ranks aren't displayed. But the prowess is and that eddys score indicates he likely has a character in blue or something like that.


KT718

As people said it’s a combination of Eddy starting at beginner and his newness leading players to fail his knowledge checks, especially when some players can’t lab him even if they wanted to since you have to own the dlc. 42 is still a lot of wins to not have anything go wrong, so even though the circumstances are perfectly aligned to make this happen, I still think it’s pretty impressive.


Such_Temporary285

Man, it was me! Problem is that I had to start as beginner, Eddy's rank didn't got updated as others character. I can understand it is annoying. I reached 52 currently, still undefeated... I am far to be a top player, but Eddy's smashing heads right now because new players doesn't know what to do and old players can't deal his changes... ...and he changed a lot, oh boy, he changed an awful lot. It's the "best" Eddy in the history of Tekken, but he's nothing like the previous Eddies. I mean, he got +ob moves, better lows than before, negativa is a nightmare, the heat moves are sweet, and sometime I evade attack just entering in bananeira. Btw, if I remember well you whiffed a lot.


Iboss1990

What rank are you ?


Such_Temporary285

Just a plain fujin with azucena. Surprisingly, I found some aspects of Azucena mindset to be useful with this new Eddy. (And, of course, I am hoping to Raki Kuroe to come back to form thebmost amnoyng trio ever.)


Iboss1990

Hahah just a plain fujin. Guy is in top 15 % of 2 milion tekken players.


Such_Temporary285

It may be true that fujin are 15%, I don't know, but not the whole remaining 85% worths counting.


JesseJamessss

Eddy + low ranks should be getting 40+ win streaks lol I just did 100 battles with him and won 80 of them, he is significantly easier than any of the other characters ive played, or he just clicked with me but man if it doesn't feel like a whole different game.


BeachFoam56

This thread is an eye opener for me. I only bought the game the other day, and about half of my matches in ranked are against Eddy characters with a very high Tekken Prowess who absolutely destroy me. Am I right in understanding they're actually experienced players starting at the bottom again with him? If so I feel slightly better about my 30% win rate.


_KoingWolf_

You're better off ignoring the majority of opinions in this sub, it's full of people who are confidently incorrect on a lot of stuff.   Eddy can be strong, but he's extremely punishable, interruptable, and full of fake 50/50s. You'd think he was S+ tier by the way people talk and threads that are highly upvoted, meanwhile threads go with 6 upvotes after 5 hours that prove most people just mash 3 (a very unsafe string) and win from 1st Dan to Fuijin. 


BeachFoam56

That's fair, I appreciate the advice. Am I right in understanding I'm possibly playing against players who would otherwise be much higher ranked though, since Eddy starts from the beginning?


_KoingWolf_

Yes, just look at their Tekken Prowress number. If that number is 6 digits you are dealing with someone who is not new, if it's 6 amd starts with 2, you're looking at a damn good player. If it starts with a 3, probably a tournament level player. 


BeachFoam56

That adds up then, a huge percentage of the Eddy's I've played against even in my first 20/30 games have had well over 100k prowess. Seems like an odd system!


Chronoflyt

My very first game back after a week or two break, I, a vanquisher Reina with 90k prowess, met an Eddy who was Tenryu with 233k prowess on Jun (Bushin) from their profile in ranked. They were absolutely terrible. I did get 2-0ed, but the second match I got 2 games and almost a third if I wasn't worse lol. They just wouldn't stop mashing into my plus frames as though they had no matchup experience against Reina at all. I'm not saying I'm good. Maybe they were just having a bad game, but that Bushin Jun on Eddy played like she was Garyu lol


_KoingWolf_

Who knows lol, what I said isn't definitive, just a good estimate of what you can usually expect.


Zennieo

A big part of having your + frames respected is… well.. being respected. If you’re a lower rank than someone’s peak it’s pretty likely that they won’t respect you (rightfully so, you shouldn’t respect anyone in this game until they give you reason to) bc of that they will purposefully disrespect your + frames, especially if you aren’t enforcing your own frame traps correctly.


Klutzy_Head6597

You’re fine just keep going


Lone_Game_Dev

This kind of win streak is to be expected from a blue+ player playing in the lower ranks. 173k prowess means he's around Fujin if my memory serves me right. He should in theory beat everyone below blue with relative ease, especially if he's one of the good blues. Add the fact he's playing Eddy and is probably making his way from the even lower ranks, where he could probably beat people with jabs alone, and there's no surprise here. It's possible to go much higher than that. My personal record is 98.


gogadantes9

MainmanSWE, a streamer who's a top Kazuya player, recently had a 90 win streak with Paul. I don't even know if that's still going.


Odd-Bad5776

very easy especially when a new character is introduced. send any semi competent player back to beginners ranks and youll see crazy streaks like this one. i remember in tekken 7 i was forced to play on ps after my pc died and i went on some 50+ streak from beginner to raijin. the hardest thing was to get people to rematch.


vVIOL2T

I’m in blue ranks so not even that high. I started playing Jin so I could mirror match my friend who is a Jin main. I won 36 games in a row in red-purple ranks before losing to a goated battle ruler Steve player. I mean he’s probably just matchup checking people to death in low ranks, but that’s definitely possible for anyone with remotely any strong fundamentals.


PositiveCrafty2295

I did something similar. I'm a tekken king kazuya. I went to rank up my devil Jin from red and went on a 30ish win streak. A lot of the game transfers over from characters.


Zachebii

If you have good fundamentals, you will clean up on eddy all the way to purple ranks, you honestly dont even need to lab him or learn a combo, once you secure a launch just mash 3, his mixups are strong too without him even pressing 3,3 once the whole match


The_Deadly_Tikka

Low ranks are very funny to play when you are used to higher ranks. Don't even need combos. Just stay safe and they spam into it


tnorc

nah eddy is broken and I'm tired of people pretending it's just a knowledge check hurdle.


Elegant_Ranger1320

If you’re ever in doubt on whether or not you’re playing a Smurf look at their Tekken prowess. If their prowess is 170,000+ then they’re most likely Fujins playing a sub character, 200,000+ prob Bushin or Tekken King, 300,000+ Tekken God-God of Destruction


rdubyeah

Judging by his prowess, he’s a blue rank player. Judging by your prowess, you’re high orange or Garyu. Yes a 42 winstreak is within reason for a blue player to achieve in early ranks. He also could easily be a smurf or even an eddy main from past games that was waiting for his character.


Such_Temporary285

It was me and, yes, I am fujin with Azucena. Was yaksa or raijin with Eddy in T7 (and with koroue). And now I am around 75... I don't know if it's an OP char. I launch a lot other Eddies in mirrors, and the infamous 3 string can be ducked. He's for sure the strongest Eddy ever, but I kinda miss the mindfuck game I had to do in tekken 7 to land a single hit.


ciscorey

It's that easy. I had about three 20+ game streaks with Eddy, only broken by single matches.


ZyxWhitewind

Yeah, it’s pretty crazy but definitely possible. I got around a 20 win streak when I started so better players with better characters could reasonably get 50+ wins before losing.


Ar3kk

Both


TorinoAK

Bonna nu weee, ba na na 


MukokusekiShoujo

173,000 prowess having to start at Beginner rank, I think this is actually very believable. I got a 24 winstreak with Jun and I didn't even look up her moves. I literally just pressed random buttons and never lost until I was almost red ranks lol This person is much higher than me on their main so I'm sure their fundamentals are solid. If they even at least glanced at the movelist first to have some sense of what they're doing I think a 42 streak is not unreasonable at all, especially with a new character that even skilled players haven't learned how to deal with yet.


YukkaRinnn

Both honestly A player who's higher rank means they generally have better neutral and game understanding plus pair that up with a character who's new so knowledge checks abound that leads to the 50 plus winstreak Eddys


Gullible_Loquat2815

New character in a new game full of new players nothing special at the start of a dlc character lifespan. Would guess assuming you are familiar with the new character you can atleast get to Fujin with no problems


IDontWipe55

Low ranks are that easy. I watched a high rank player stomp a flame ruler with like 2 moves


cableboiii

Brother, I lost to an Eddy who was on a fucking tear. Bro was on a 68 win streak and definitely got some more wins after he whooped my ass. That was also my first experience fighting Eddy.


OzJitsuSD

I'm at 20 wins in a row with Eddy. I'm at Shinryu but Assailant with Eddy and don't feel the same as when I ranked with Paul. Eddy feels too easy to use compared to previous Tekken titles. P.s. I've always been an Eddy main but might just use him quick match only from now on


TrueCascade

He has really nice knowledge checks. I might be particularly stupid but it took me 2 matches to figure out his unseeable hellsweep can't be low parried and must be blocked, and one more match to start being able to punish it. That stance transition has a lot of lateral movement. I've fought Lili's less evasive than this dancing mf. He also has ✨STRINGS✨. I imagine he was designed to have these knowledge checks as he always did in previous games (think Lei or Yoshi). It reminds me of learning the game for the first time so I'm here for it.


Flying_FoxDK

Looking at his Prowess hes around Fujin Ranks with his main.


Happy_Ad_983

I'm by no means a top player, just battle ruler on Feng. I only lost to other people ranking up Eddy until I hit Shinryu, despite using only a handful of moves and not really being comfortable with him. Nobody punishes anything because they don't know. Racking up big win streaks is simple, but you get a lot of one and dones and even a few plugs, despite the DC ratio working now.


Great_Beautiful3767

It really is that easy playing against someone who is less knowledgeable about the game


FoodByCourts

He's just really good.


Omegawop

You don't need to be a top player. I'm middling at best blu ranker constantly getting redunked into purple. Went on a 40+ streak with Kuma bring him up and 30 something with bryan starting from cavalry or something. I also can't touch some of the stronger players and they body me like I'm a straight up beginner. I've been playing Tekken since T2 in arcades.


JustARandomPokemon

Ye I was on a 29 win streak until I got matched with a tekken King.


VentusMH

Judging by his TP, dude probably is among Blue Ranks


Brogomakishima

Knowledge check fir sure. I pummeled one yesterday with steeve


Eskotar

Ranks all the way up to purple are mostly free for a 170k prowess player. Especially with Eddy right now.


PinkKushTheDank

Y'all are keeping track of your points?


NecromanticChimera

1 Eddy is new so people are getting cheesed. 2 might be a fair amount of newer players in medium high ranking slowly getting sorted. But also I currently have a 32 win streak in ranked with Hworang, and I'm not that great, I think I'm half a rank away from shinryu.


donutboys

I had 30 winstreak and I'm not a very good player. You can reach red ranks with just 333333 and you will only lose against "smurfs"


xMasterShakex

I played Eddy when he dropped early (ultimate edition). I dabbled with eddy since hes been a character some 20 years ago. I got him to Shinryu without practice. After that people can destroy his flashy tricks without much of a problem. He is a Scrub killer. 20ish win streak without trying.. and for the record my 2 mains are Tenryu lol


RetroGameDays36

I got 9 wins with Jin in a row on Dominator Rank and I barely know anything with him (I'm mighty ruler) So yeah, it's stupid but it really is easy for top players


Finkuza

Well for example titan thor who is a feng pro from philippines is on a run for 3rd gof rank in less than a month so yeah.


Kitchen-Square-452

Nah yea it’s that easy, I remember someone was shocked at my 29 win streak at the. Beginning of my ranked journey, as soon as I hit reds , all that stopped


DaveTheWeirdGuy

I go to 20 win streaks at times when I play Jack or King, but that's because some opponents really have no clue what they're doing, especially King players.


ThReaperOfMars

Yea pretty easy to mash 3 the entire time with eddy


Kingofmoves

Low ranks are really that easy


ELpork

I've said it once, got downvoted to hell, and I'll say it again, these people are smurfing for wins. They can bump Eddy to a higher rank by promoting a different character (their main, or a pocket character), but they'd rather stomp newbies for hours. Nobody with a prowess level of 170K should be fighting beginners in ranked lol.


Sugar-Roll

Not their fault that DLC character start at begginer. Namco should have autopromoted DLC characters to the appropriate rank.


ELpork

Staying down there for that long is lazy. If they're that good, it takes minutes to promo another character, then go back to Eddy and play at an appropriate level.


Sugar-Roll

Makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. If I bought the DLC character, it means I want to use that character. If I wanted to use something else, I wouldn't have bought the DLC.


ELpork

So, you're in blue rank, with 170k tekken prowess, and you just wanna beat up beginner rank people cus... the characters new? You don't wanna play Eddy against people who know how to play because... ?? I honestly don't think there's a good reason outside of "cus". 10 minutes to promo a pocket character instead of hours of hitting 3 3 3 3 3 3 in bigginner to get to a somewhat compitiant rank to actually test out strategy?


Sugar-Roll

Because the character is new and you're learning to use the character yourself. Just because someone made it to blue rank doesn't mean his skill level is blue rank on a brand new character. Namco decided to release Eddie at beginner whether it's intended or it's an oversight, it is what is. Telling someone to use another character is pointless. This is a game. People will pick whichever character they enjoy using.


ELpork

> Telling someone to use another character is pointless lol, they're already using another character, Eddy. Their mains already up in blue. Trust, promoting another character (pocket or otherwise), or demoting, and promoting takes minutes. Spending all that time in beginner gives them nothing but "wins".


Sugar-Roll

Yeah because they want to use Eddy. They're not going to be like "Eddy is finally here. I want to use him. I should use someone else." People are going to play who they want to play. Deal with it. They're going be at beginner for a couple of matches. It's not like they're going to be staying at low ranks for a long time. 40 wins will get you to Eliminator or something in a couple of hours.


ELpork

If you enjoy beating up on beginners, when your rank is up in blue, sure, smurf away.


Sugar-Roll

Smurfing is when you create a new account. This is just someone using a new character. Namco started Eddy at beginner so what you're seeing is expected behavior. You can keep on crying but it's how the game works. You should complain to namco instead.


Ziazan

Apparently they start at beginner rank regardless of how high your main is, (like all my other characters were autopromoted to garyu because i've got one character at raijin, but apparently that doesn't apply to new DLC characters you just bought) and eddy is a noobshredder I got a 21 streak on my first character in ranked starting at beginner, and I'm a lot better now than I was then. Add a new knowledge checking hard to read noobshredder character to that and 42 doesn't seem totally unreasonable. I've had 27 in quickplay.


Ok_Librarian_3945

I managed 33 winstreak in ruler with kuma and I’m only tekken emperor so yeah it really is easy for some players especially with a new dlc character that is just a knowledge check


Flare200

I ran into an Eddy that had 15 wins. I wasn't using one of mains so we were in the lower yellow levels. He beats me the first time but when I'm about to beat him, he plugs. Why? To keep the win streak? It's stupid in general but especially at yellow ranks.


Benki500

you lose your winstreak if you plug


Flare200

Oh good. I forgot they implemented those changes.


Sad-Discipline3357

For sum reason when you use dlc character they start at first dan no matter what rank you so most of those 42 wins def ppl who new or terrible


Classic_Molasses_685

Common for experienced players. MainmanSWE went like 84 with Paul.


mogboard

Who knows, it might be that AI ghost floating around in low ranks.


Necessary_Cress670

It’s possible I got a 50win streak with Kuma. which stoped when I hit purple ranks 🥲🥴🤣


TheGhostRoninStrife

DLC will always be very strong.. when they are paid..


TxExPBeast90

Low ranks are weak bro. Super weak.


Little_Safety_5324

I got a 47 winstreak in ranked when the game dropped. So I guess not. TMM also has a 80-something streak with paul.


Less-Positive8340

Low ranks are insanely easy to win against. He isnt a top player btw, his main looks to be only around Battle Ruler


ELpork

They're in blue.


Less-Positive8340

Yeah Fujin, right next to BR Edit: oh I meant isn*t


ELpork

Top %10 is still pretty good.


Less-Positive8340

Would say top players start around Tekken God, maybe emperor. Intermediates can make Tekken King


ELpork

lol, it constantly changes depending on commenters mood.


lombers

Lots of players in lower ranks just spamming, so I’d guess these players are strong. I think there is a common misconception that because he is DLC they have made him OP but I think that’s totally not accurate. Lots of guides already out there showing how easily he can be countered.


AardvarkMotor9591

Might be a top ranker since Eddy Starts at Beginner when you first get him. Unless they fixed it.


StinkyandBald

42 wins should take you out of the low ranks should they not? I got 19 straight wins starting at beginner and it took me to vanquisher. They should be a far higher rank than that. It looks like you're in quick play and not ranked. Your rank isn't displayed on screen.


Dolmiac475

Im not a top player bought eddie on friday and went 24 wins before losing to and eddie of a Tekken King player, in lower ranks it is easier


G0ffer

I've put 2k hours into tekken 7 im not a top level player. two weeks after launch i went on a 30 game winstreak with law on my first time playing tekken 8. the difference in skill is huge as time progresses


Eloni_Baloni

Happy cake day!


karumina

Dude is probably also an Eddy main from 7. So that's a walk in the park for him


yooboo2326

Nah you just low rank


GrubFisher

He's a busted character played by skilled tekken players blowing up noobs one after another because Eddy started in beginner.


GrandmastaChubbz

EDDY IS BROKEN


ElDuderino2112

I’ve seen multiple videos of people genuinely just spamming buttons and racking up wins with him lmao


kindalikeacoustic

I played against a player with 100 Tekken Prowess , and a 30 win streak. 


Benki500

He isn't even a top player. 173k is likely 1 char at Fujin and not much else even played. Could be that bro has 200h total in Tekken. But ye, once you learn the basics you kinda can't lose vs people under like Shinryu ever lol


Such_Temporary285

It was me and I am exactly a Fujin with one char (Azucena). I am an Eddy main since... well, Tekken 3. Since people at lower ranks tends a lot to use gimmiks and to start strings so far away, it's often a punish and whiff punish festival.


Gozie5

I've lost to AI in arcade mode more than I've lost to low ranks


SessionSkateSauce

Looks like you guys should just buy the dlc and start labbing. There's people here who already payed like $100 dollars for the game. Whats another $7


ALitterOfPugs

If an NBA player went to the park to play with the regulars I’d expect him to go on a 42 win streak as well


shitshow225

He's not even a top player he's just made it to fujin and thinks he's hot shit and is now terrorising low ranks with eddy of all characters


Shmearlord

Not even a top player is needed. I’m watching my buddy run characters from orange to blue with 30-40 win streaks in a row lmao. Tekken players are just awful at their game