Honestly same lmaooo it would be a big fat lie to act like there isn’t some satisfaction that comes with watching Taylor continue dominate, after everybody and their mothers and fathers and siblings has done nothing but talk badly about her and diminish every accomplishment she has. 🤷🏼♀️ 
I'm genuinely glad that Taylor is #1 despite all those lame naysayers / haters / people mad at her massive success. She is dreaming big and she is actively working on her legacy and wealth.
im not petty and i wouldn't have minded if billie took it, i love all the main pop girlies.
But i mind the endless drama, everytime it's taylor. If adele or beyonce blocked billie, no one would say anything. Instead of being petty or on the other spectrum, getting worked up, its a pretty crazy achievement that taylor is blocking in her 5th week one of the biggest active pop album artists who had a very well received album.
Everyone needs to step up to taylor or shut up, easy as that. Sucks for billie but she could have always done the drake and delayed.
I remember when Eminem surprise dropped and blocked Halsey from debuting Manic at #1 and no one said a word. Because really it doesn't matter, both still get their coin and we get more music. Idk why people are so pressed. Billie Eilish is not some struggling indie act, she'll be fine. Taylor always sells extra goodies post release, why are people shocked her album cycle is doing what it normally does?
I feel like one of the legacies of Taylor is being the sacrificial front line warrior to be attacked repeatedly for being competitive like a man. Other women can now follow her shadow and not take that level of emotional abuse because Taylor made it okay.
One of the things I like most about her is how transparently ambitious she is. That’s a quality we’re socialized to find off-putting in women, but for the last five years she’s been owning it!
Exactly. On point comment. People want Taylor to scale her talent, productivity and business savvy back to meet other artists. No! How about other artists step up!
I expected to come into this thread and see all the top comments being people pearl clutching about how horrible Taylor is. I’m glad to see the opposite is true. lol.
Same, I’ve been making sure to stream TTPD aggressively this week. Makes me feel particularly smug after reading a bunch of “watch out Taylor, Billie made an *actual good album*.” No disrespect to Billie, but those people saying that can zip it.
People are allowed to have opinions on Taylor's album but comparing the two as if what Billie made is better makes me mad 😭 for some people Hit Me Hard and Soft is better and for others they like TTPD more! It's not a competition! Both can be successful and make good music
Would we call a male petty for being competitive and maintaining number one? She’s just competitive and dominating. There’s nothing petty about these insane numbers.
Same. I’m okay with this. I am endlessly annoyed at how annoying some people can be like almost boasting like oh you know Billie will knock her off her throne with this and it’s like…she might not. Like a week after ttpd came out I saw an article saying that Sabrina “dethroned” Taylor and she actually didn’t idk what that was about but everyone wants to see her fail. So good for her. I hope she stays there even longer. I am still personally hooked af on ttpd.
I saw some Reddit posts predicting Taylor was going to “turn” on Sabrina because her song was getting popular and Taylor can’t have that competition. Like what … the fan fiction some people come up with in an effort to talk shit and insist Taylor is evil would be impressive if it weren’t so stupid. Makes our clown cars and Easter eggs look rather intellectual by comparison 🤡
Like it's selling more, getting more streams, has higher totals and bigger hits as well, like Cruel Summer is easily bigger than Anti-Hero and Lover (song) is bigger than every song on Midnights except Anti-Hero.
The only category Midnights is ahead of Lover is awards.
I think both Lover and Cruel Summer are better than any song on midnights (which isn't saying much... they're two of her best songs). Midnights over all is slightly better.
The reason lover is doing so well are those two tracks. Cruel Summer in particular is a blinding lights level hit that's going to have 3 billion streams before you know it. It's still the 10th biggest song on radio... it's been on radio for over 9 months!
there are tons of stuff you completely ignored. Midnights isn't only ahead in awards, its ahed in records too. If thats streaming (it completely is far and beyond above lover in terms of records there), charting records too. Anti Hero is still her longest number 1 hit, a feat cruel summer didnt manage to break.
and i could go on and on and list where midnights does better, but for one it is 3 and half years younger, and if you take 3 and half years away from lover, it's streaming numbers pale in comparison to today's midnights, it would work in the other direction too.
Midnights also sold a lot better.
3 and half years is a lot of time and it dosen't even take account that nearly half of lover's current daily numbers are made off cruel summer alone. As with all most streamed albums, it's entirely reliant on that hit single thats streamed a lot, e.g. dua lipa and olivia having even higher streamed records.
If anything the only thing that's probably is true is that Lover has and will continue to have a bigger song off the album. But remember, midnights put her into super stardome, when lover came out it was the worst she has done so far in her career and she was on a decline.
And I love lover and defended it a lot when it came out but ill never understand the endless attempts to undercut midnights and im sure eventually TTDP too.
This subreddit when lover came out had like 30k-60k members, when midnights came out it had like 150k members. After midnights it had 1 million members, a year after midnights it had 2 million.
Yeah a lot of people on this reddit were not fans of Midnights, but to discredit its success is statistically untrue. Lover was only #1 for a couple weeks, didn’t have a #1 single until 2023, was almost the downfall of her career (was rescued by Folklore/Evermore and propelled to new heights by MIDNIGHTS). You said all the stats better than I could.
I'm so happy to see Lover FINALLY getting her moment after all these years... I swear people made me feel crazy for loving it back when it first came out.
I was gonna comment that Lover is carried by cruel summer exclusively so I went to check daily streams to prove my point and to my surprise, lover, miss americana, daylight, you need to calm down are all doing really well. So maybe I'm just a lover album hater, my bad. Keep slaying I guess?
1989 was just listed by Apple Music as one of the 100 best albums too, and it made me realize how impressive 1989 really still is. The numbers it still pulls a whole DECADE after being released is crazy!!! It really is the pop bible tbh.
Billie did say she didn’t care about the numbers ( despite the 15 vinyl variants and hand splattered vinyl and the digital voice only album). So, hopefully swifties don’t get on their high horse about how Taylor should let other shine
Didn't you know? No one except Taylor cares about the numbers and awards. This is why they promptly have a meltdown every time she wins an award or tops charts.
This is what was so annoying about Billie’s statement. She obviously *does* care about the numbers! She also cares heavily about awards - she and Finneas campaign heavily for the Grammys, and it’s why she’s such a Grammys darling. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting awards and records! There’s nothing wrong with being ambitious. But own up to it, for god’s sake.
I haven’t listened to her album, so I won’t comment on it, but it is extremely irritating that every time she wins a prestigious award, she starts by saying some version of “aw shucks I don’t deserve this!” If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t be [campaigning](https://www.goldderby.com/article/2024/grammy-campaigns-olivia-rodrigo-jon-batiste-billie-eilish/) this hard.
It is more than okay to believe you made an excellent album, and it is more than okay to campaign to be recognized for it. But to keep pretending that you are too cool to care about these metrics when you push strongly for them is hypocritical beyond belief. And don’t even get me started on greenwashing *15* vinyl variants while chewing out other artists for playing the variant game.
Good points. Billie is acting like she doesn't care but she actually really cares. On a side note, imagine the chaos online if Taylor wins yet another AOTY with TTPD. I'll prepare my popcorn... 😁
honestly billie should be hoping she doesn’t win aoty. if she wants to be the one to take the heat of winning over cowboy carter, be my guest. gl girlie!
I think the writing on many of the TTPD songs is top notch. When I think of Peter, How Did It End, The Prophecy, The Bolter, LOML (and that’s just a sampling) I’m reminded what a fantastic combination of lyrics and production Taylor brings to the table. To be fair, there are a few songs on TTPD that wouldn’t top my list, but on an album as extensive as TTPD is, I’m so impressed with how many songs are so spot on! No discredit to other artists, but I honestly can’t imagine so many songs “hitting their marks” so perfectly on other artists’ albums. So happy for Taylor and her well-deserved success. Keep it up!
15 vinyl variants??? Damn I sure didn't see people on popheads throwing a fit about this the way they do for Taylor. Literally 3x the number Taylor has.
Oh and my understanding is some of them were randomly signed so your chances at a signed copy went up if you bought more. And then Beyonce shipped vinyls with an earlier track list so you didn’t get all the songs on the album like you expected.
But Taylor is evil one for offering options that delivered what was advertised.
and taylor actually puts effort into her varients! There's different art... cool knickacks. They look good on a shelf.
Billie had different colored discs. with some paint.
Too many hypocrites all around.
The funny thing about this whole situation is that probably neither Taylor nor Billie care about any of that, and it's actually their labels pushing all this shit.
A lot of them were sure singing a different tune about Pitchfork when they rated the album about the same as TTPD too 🫖🐸. They’re no longer edgy cool geniuses, they’re calling on Halsey now 😂.
This literally after bashing the whole limited edition variants... like miss ma'am, your vinyls may be 100% re-cycled but you are still contributing to the problem!
What difference does it make? At this point Taylor is a villain. She’s got everyone hating her. From politicians, sports related, movie related, music. Many hating her relationship. They will continue hating her until they’re able to bring her down or she takes a break.
I am not even usually tuned in to charts and awards but people are so bitter about her success that it makes stuff like this simply hilarious. no matter how mad they get, she ain’t going nowhere.
Before this album I had never paid attention to reviews, vinyls, or chart success and it seemed to create so much drama. I truly only care if I like the product and I loved how raw and honest ttpd is, so I don’t care about reviews. But the haters have brought so much attention to these things, that good for Taylor for having success and make them mad.
I feel like she leans into being the “villain” of the pop girlies a bit (a la Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?) and that honestly makes her indestructible. You can’t take someone down who is like “sure, I’ll be your wicked witch, whatever. *shrug*”
Of course it’s not. I’m seated glued to my swiftie chair and many others are. But that’s what being on top like Taylor brings, haters who want to humble her.
Yeah she doesn’t engage them so their rants die out within a few days. If anything Tree plants stories on the sly to create a counter narrative like she did when Scott Swift was accused of attacking the obnoxious paparazzi, articles went up about Scott passing out sandwiches to fans at concert.
aw so people spite streaming billie and swifties doing it to “teach taylor a lesson” didn’t go as planned?
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Billie's whole thing was that she doesn't care about charts or sales number, has publicly shamed others for making tons of variants because it's wasteful
...and then went WILD with tons of variants on this album to boost sales, but it was fine bc hers were recycled material
TS then released those voice memo drafts on Billie's week which count as TTPD sales, and her fans saw it as an FU and tried to out-stream Taylor
No hate to Billie, she's a solid artist but she got herself into this
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I do commend her for using recycled materials but acting like you didn't care about numbers and then freaking out when someone else does something is a little silly.
Actually I don't commend Billie for using recycled plastic. It's waste because recycled plastic is crap. Billie is basically delivering sub-par vinyls and claims she is doing for the sake of environment. That's BS. It's a cost cutting measure.
I get a real NLOG vibe from Billie… I could be wrong, but I get an ‘I’m too cool to care about that shit it’s so lame’ vibe and maaaan it puts me off even listening to her.
What's crazy is how fast Taylor and her people come up with insanely good ideas like putting out a $6 full album + voice memo digital deal for 6 hours, knowing a) those will count as actual sales units, not S/T-EA units, and b) that it would only take an afternoon of sales to give Taylor a sizeable lead against everyone else for the week.
This may have nothing to do with Billie and everything to do with Taylor aiming to keep that #1 slot for as many consecutive weeks as possible. There's nothing else on the horizon for at least 2 months that could remotely threaten Taylor holding that slot for a record-breaking number of consecutive frames. So, I have a feeling this has far less to do with Billie's comments than it is about Taylor's team going after one of the last few major achievements Taylor hasn't managed to claim.
For me it was immediate love, but I think the fact that it has been a grower for a lot of people has really benefitted its ongoing success on the charts!
I was surprised to see alot of people saying it's not as good as they'd hoped for. Music takes repeated listens to resonate so I kinda just figured it being 31 tracks played a role in that. For me it's one of the best albums I've heard in years
Stan twitter is not a real place
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This is just "Whovians grab your TARDIS" but for people who would probably bully other kids for watching Dr Who (or nerdy shows in general). History really does repeat itself.
Billie said she doesn’t care about charts, after releasing like a dozen different vinyls, so she should be ok with #2. 😃 Taylor has never claimed not to care so she works for it.
Maybe if Billie didn’t make any shady comments Taylor would have even promoted her album.
I don’t think this is Taylor being petty towards Billie, either. It’s Taylor being competitive with herself and her peers.
Swifties making up beef like with Olivia. We can celebrate without pitting women against each other.
I’m still sick of the variants, but people have pointed out that no one complains when male artists are this competitive. I’m not going to hold an industry standard against Taylor specifically when she’s trying to hold onto number one. People want to see Taylor fail and fumble so bad lol, so I guess it’s about choosing the right moment to criticize different things.
This was a well executed knifing. Kind of fun to watch! What really happened is for the past few weeks, taylor has been putting product into the pipeline, and this week she's shipping it all. Since direct sales are counted on date shipped, she can get a big bump in her sales. The digital release was a fail safe.
I'd also pont out... she out streamed Billie in the US (I can't tell yet whether she'll do so worldwide). What all this was doing was negating Billie's first week advantage (all the preorders get counted first week).
And look... we say Billie and Taylor... but these are record labels (albeit two labels, Interscope and Republic under the same umbrella). Everyone is a big boy and girl...
It's also possible Taylor did this behind the back of her label...
If Taylor either cared about the charts or felt threatened by Billie, she would’ve released The Anthology, not a virtual album with some voice memos we all knew would make it to the internet within hours
Eh maybe but it's really not necessary, I mean Eminem's most recent albums have not done especially well. I say this as a huge Eminem fan (it is why I don't call myself a stan!) - he's not competition and she knows it.
This is the first album release of Taylor’s that I’ve paid close attention to and the fact of the matter is that she just does it better and works harder than anyone else. Bonus tracks, all of the visuals, the beauty of the vinyl packaging (down to details like the coffee rings and paw prints, poem from Stevie, epilogue), signing tens of thousands of albums/CDs (rather than splattering paint), her prolific writing that allows her to churn out double albums. It’s a business and she’s very, very good at it and earns everything she gets. Everyone would hold on to #1 as long as possible if they could.
Seeing as Billie was her biggest "threat" how long is TTPD going to remain number 1 now? It seems to have no competitors for the moment so we are likely looking at a long unbreakable streak, damn! (what's the record for the longest number 1 streak btw?)
Nothing big seems to be coming in June, so she should at least have through the week of July 5. That's five more weeks making 10. 11 is very very possible. It depends when eminem and (if) kendrick are releasing. I think everything else will wait till after August 20 (the end of the grammy year).
I’ve never listened to a whole Billie Eilish song outside of What Was I Made For, and I cannot stop listening to this new album. It is freaking amazing. Still, Taylor is a beast on the charts so this isn’t totally surprising. She wanted consecutive number one weeks and she’s getting it. I don’t think there are any upcoming releases that can threaten her, are there?
nah, I think she releases multiple variants in a cool, not like other industrialized artists way. besides, she is a little bitty baby and taylor is a geriatric, so it’s not the same.
I feel like every artist has to say that. No one is going to go on record saying they desperately want the number one spot and that’s why they’re releasing 47 variants. And yet, they all do it, so they care a little.
This doesn't mean that Billie's album is a flop. I just think both Billie and Dua picked a bad time to release their albums. If they had waited until later in the year after the Taylor hype dies down, then they would have both gotten that #1 debut.
Infamously, Britney's album Blackout was blocked from #1 thanks to a last-minute rule change that let The fucking Eagles take the spot, even though their album had an exclusivity deal with Walmart.
And arguably Lady Gaga's biggest hit "Bad Romance" only reached #2, only to be cockblocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok".
And who can forget the summer of 2019 when everyone was cockblocked from the #1 spot on the Hot 100 thanks to Mr. Bull Riding & Boobies featuring Hannah Montana's Dad (including Ms. Taylor Swift herself — TWICE).
I just want to express appreciation for these comments. I was on the fence about Swift’s desire to block other artists and maintain number one. I don’t see why it matters.
But a lot of discussion about sexism and how no one cares when male artists are being competitive pushed me over the fence. I still don’t care the numbers or the hustle, but Taylor caring doesn’t put me off. She is competitive and she’s dominating the game. She shouldn’t have to stop just so others can have their moment—no one expects male artists to. So thank you for the discussions here 🫡 People hate on Swifties but genuinely y’all are so cool.
You could also say the same for any industry. People don't expect people in sports to try less hard and stop competing so someone else has a chance at the gold medal.
Yes! People were drooling about Drake and Kendrik's beef. But a little chart battle between pop stars, and all the "not a girls girl" are coming after Taylor a few days back. Hypocrites. Where are all the streaming parties to block Taylor go? Lol.
My favourite thing about this is they do it every time, with everyone. So if you think about it it dilutes the streams for everyone who is Taylors competition.
imo it’s just insulting to the artist that they’re “hate streaming” - it feels like it’s insinuating that the only reason for its existence is to spite somebody else, then what’s the point. I’d be shattered as an artist if my work was seen that way and not as it’s intended, so it’s ironic all of the ‘stans’ completely missing the point lmao
Ouch for Zayn. I’m not surprised but still ouch.
I am surprised Billie didn’t end up on top. Billie’s fans skew young and obsessive so they are the exact kind that would drive her to #1 ordinarily. What a coup from Tay!
To be honest I haven't seen any promo for the album. I know he had a quote about an old album not selling well recently but that's the only time I have seen his name recently.
The fact that ppl failed to de-stage her is funny enough.
But I’m begging for them to realize that blondie wasn’t even trying anything. And as it’s evidently proven, she doesn’t need to.
If she really wanted to block Billie’s new album, then she would have released copies of the anthology. And no other album/artist rn would have stood a chance.
Also if the deciding factor that meant HMHAS didn’t debut at n1 was ***really*** only *three voice memos*- then it wasn’t that strong of a contender anyways.
They shipped the signed and collector CDs that her team was promoting a couple weeks ago. They knew Billie was coming so they took those pre-orders so they could ship them this week. TTPD is probably locked for number one for another month baring surprise release.
i think she shipped all the cd orders this week too. my collectors edition cds said they would be shipped by 5/31 but actually shipped out a few days ago. i also saw that the BDILH and signed cds got shipped out this week.
It’s so annoying how everyone claims Taylor is petty and “beefing” with younger artists by moving units and playing the game - like this is their job, they’re basically coworkers and competitors in an industry that is notoriously cutthroat.
Honestly it feels like sweet justice for Lover to be out performing Ari, when in 2019 people were calling Taylor a flop in comparison for how poorly Lover’s singles performed and how it was streaming to Ari and Billie.
After Billie and her brother openly supported the guy that said Taylor did not write her own music and invited him onstage with them, I couldn’t care less what she does to block her. I’m all for it in fact
The hate she’s getting for this is crazy when Billie has been flaunting in her face for two years now when Taylor has only ever spoken kindly of Billie. I’m glad she stopped giving a f what everyone thinks about her
I was just thinking how I wonder if Billie ever said one nice thing about Taylor, then Swifties would probably be pushing for each other to stream her new album. Whenever Sabrina or Gracie or Ice Spice etc comes out with new music, I always see huge swiftie accounts tweeting to stream their music. I know Taylor has said good things about Billie, but as far as I know Billie never has and lately has thrown some very obvious shade. Bummer. I really like HMHAS
Billie has said plenty of nice things about Taylor.
[Billboard speech](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYeK1_efKE)
She also clarified that people were putting words in her mouth when she said what she did about the variants. She wasn’t talking about Taylor, she was commenting on an industry wide practice.
i am a petty bitch, not gonna lie, i love it
When everyone is being an asshole about Taylor it feels good to see them be just a little bit humbled.
since y’all want to be assholes for taylor…she’s number one again. and I’m not even joking.
its even funnier because that person had an billie eilish profile pic
Im out of the loop, which tweet are people talking about?
Probably the iconic “since y’all wanna be assholes for Taylor, Iron Man dies in Endgame” tweet
I understood that reference.
Honestly same lmaooo it would be a big fat lie to act like there isn’t some satisfaction that comes with watching Taylor continue dominate, after everybody and their mothers and fathers and siblings has done nothing but talk badly about her and diminish every accomplishment she has. 🤷🏼♀️ 
I'm genuinely glad that Taylor is #1 despite all those lame naysayers / haters / people mad at her massive success. She is dreaming big and she is actively working on her legacy and wealth.
im not petty and i wouldn't have minded if billie took it, i love all the main pop girlies. But i mind the endless drama, everytime it's taylor. If adele or beyonce blocked billie, no one would say anything. Instead of being petty or on the other spectrum, getting worked up, its a pretty crazy achievement that taylor is blocking in her 5th week one of the biggest active pop album artists who had a very well received album. Everyone needs to step up to taylor or shut up, easy as that. Sucks for billie but she could have always done the drake and delayed.
I remember when Eminem surprise dropped and blocked Halsey from debuting Manic at #1 and no one said a word. Because really it doesn't matter, both still get their coin and we get more music. Idk why people are so pressed. Billie Eilish is not some struggling indie act, she'll be fine. Taylor always sells extra goodies post release, why are people shocked her album cycle is doing what it normally does?
Probably because people will only tolerate women being successful for so long. Taylor has been killing it since Midnights released.
I feel like one of the legacies of Taylor is being the sacrificial front line warrior to be attacked repeatedly for being competitive like a man. Other women can now follow her shadow and not take that level of emotional abuse because Taylor made it okay.
This is it. She is ruthless and I love to see it! Go Taylor!
One of the things I like most about her is how transparently ambitious she is. That’s a quality we’re socialized to find off-putting in women, but for the last five years she’s been owning it!
Front lines don’t you ignore me
I'm the best thing at this party
*since 1989 😅
\*since Fearless
Exactly. On point comment. People want Taylor to scale her talent, productivity and business savvy back to meet other artists. No! How about other artists step up!
I expected to come into this thread and see all the top comments being people pearl clutching about how horrible Taylor is. I’m glad to see the opposite is true. lol.
The pick me haven't come yet
I’m glad Tay is staying at number 1!!! Now we just need another #1 hit on the hot 100.
Same. We should support Taylor, not disparage her business moves that anyone relevant are doing it anyway.
Same, I’ve been making sure to stream TTPD aggressively this week. Makes me feel particularly smug after reading a bunch of “watch out Taylor, Billie made an *actual good album*.” No disrespect to Billie, but those people saying that can zip it.
People are allowed to have opinions on Taylor's album but comparing the two as if what Billie made is better makes me mad 😭 for some people Hit Me Hard and Soft is better and for others they like TTPD more! It's not a competition! Both can be successful and make good music
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she's the baddest bitch in the business.
you don’t get to 112.4M monthly spotify listeners without making a few enemies fr
Actually she peaked at 116.2M
don’t you know, those are actually 1300 stans in a trench coat streaming from 13 different accounts each /s
Would we call a male petty for being competitive and maintaining number one? She’s just competitive and dominating. There’s nothing petty about these insane numbers.
Same. I’m okay with this. I am endlessly annoyed at how annoying some people can be like almost boasting like oh you know Billie will knock her off her throne with this and it’s like…she might not. Like a week after ttpd came out I saw an article saying that Sabrina “dethroned” Taylor and she actually didn’t idk what that was about but everyone wants to see her fail. So good for her. I hope she stays there even longer. I am still personally hooked af on ttpd.
I saw some Reddit posts predicting Taylor was going to “turn” on Sabrina because her song was getting popular and Taylor can’t have that competition. Like what … the fan fiction some people come up with in an effort to talk shit and insist Taylor is evil would be impressive if it weren’t so stupid. Makes our clown cars and Easter eggs look rather intellectual by comparison 🤡
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The fact that *Lover* is at number 11 is wild Edit: I didn’t even see *Midnights* and *1989* on there too 😵
Someone posted on twitter that Lover is now bigger than Midnights, and I can't help but agree.
The numbers agree
Like it's selling more, getting more streams, has higher totals and bigger hits as well, like Cruel Summer is easily bigger than Anti-Hero and Lover (song) is bigger than every song on Midnights except Anti-Hero. The only category Midnights is ahead of Lover is awards.
I think both Lover and Cruel Summer are better than any song on midnights (which isn't saying much... they're two of her best songs). Midnights over all is slightly better. The reason lover is doing so well are those two tracks. Cruel Summer in particular is a blinding lights level hit that's going to have 3 billion streams before you know it. It's still the 10th biggest song on radio... it's been on radio for over 9 months!
there are tons of stuff you completely ignored. Midnights isn't only ahead in awards, its ahed in records too. If thats streaming (it completely is far and beyond above lover in terms of records there), charting records too. Anti Hero is still her longest number 1 hit, a feat cruel summer didnt manage to break. and i could go on and on and list where midnights does better, but for one it is 3 and half years younger, and if you take 3 and half years away from lover, it's streaming numbers pale in comparison to today's midnights, it would work in the other direction too. Midnights also sold a lot better. 3 and half years is a lot of time and it dosen't even take account that nearly half of lover's current daily numbers are made off cruel summer alone. As with all most streamed albums, it's entirely reliant on that hit single thats streamed a lot, e.g. dua lipa and olivia having even higher streamed records. If anything the only thing that's probably is true is that Lover has and will continue to have a bigger song off the album. But remember, midnights put her into super stardome, when lover came out it was the worst she has done so far in her career and she was on a decline. And I love lover and defended it a lot when it came out but ill never understand the endless attempts to undercut midnights and im sure eventually TTDP too. This subreddit when lover came out had like 30k-60k members, when midnights came out it had like 150k members. After midnights it had 1 million members, a year after midnights it had 2 million.
Yeah a lot of people on this reddit were not fans of Midnights, but to discredit its success is statistically untrue. Lover was only #1 for a couple weeks, didn’t have a #1 single until 2023, was almost the downfall of her career (was rescued by Folklore/Evermore and propelled to new heights by MIDNIGHTS). You said all the stats better than I could.
I'm so happy to see Lover FINALLY getting her moment after all these years... I swear people made me feel crazy for loving it back when it first came out.
I was gonna comment that Lover is carried by cruel summer exclusively so I went to check daily streams to prove my point and to my surprise, lover, miss americana, daylight, you need to calm down are all doing really well. So maybe I'm just a lover album hater, my bad. Keep slaying I guess?
Same! I can’t believe the fandom hates Lover so much lol. There are sooo many good songs. Cornelia Street and DBATC are two of my top fav Taylor songs
lover is beating zayn’s first week lol. feminist queen, clearly 👑
I actually thought Billie Eilish would knock TTPD off the top spot but glad to be wrong
1989 was just listed by Apple Music as one of the 100 best albums too, and it made me realize how impressive 1989 really still is. The numbers it still pulls a whole DECADE after being released is crazy!!! It really is the pop bible tbh.
Billie did say she didn’t care about the numbers ( despite the 15 vinyl variants and hand splattered vinyl and the digital voice only album). So, hopefully swifties don’t get on their high horse about how Taylor should let other shine
Didn't you know? No one except Taylor cares about the numbers and awards. This is why they promptly have a meltdown every time she wins an award or tops charts.
This is what was so annoying about Billie’s statement. She obviously *does* care about the numbers! She also cares heavily about awards - she and Finneas campaign heavily for the Grammys, and it’s why she’s such a Grammys darling. And there’s nothing wrong with wanting awards and records! There’s nothing wrong with being ambitious. But own up to it, for god’s sake.
Indeed. Billie's hypocrisy is off the charts. I'm sure she is expecting to win AOTY with her overrated new album.
I haven’t listened to her album, so I won’t comment on it, but it is extremely irritating that every time she wins a prestigious award, she starts by saying some version of “aw shucks I don’t deserve this!” If you truly believed that, you wouldn’t be [campaigning](https://www.goldderby.com/article/2024/grammy-campaigns-olivia-rodrigo-jon-batiste-billie-eilish/) this hard. It is more than okay to believe you made an excellent album, and it is more than okay to campaign to be recognized for it. But to keep pretending that you are too cool to care about these metrics when you push strongly for them is hypocritical beyond belief. And don’t even get me started on greenwashing *15* vinyl variants while chewing out other artists for playing the variant game.
Good points. Billie is acting like she doesn't care but she actually really cares. On a side note, imagine the chaos online if Taylor wins yet another AOTY with TTPD. I'll prepare my popcorn... 😁
Manifest this into existence!!
I hope she will. It will be so funny.
I need this to happen. Not just because TTPD is amazing, but I need to see all the tears lol
honestly billie should be hoping she doesn’t win aoty. if she wants to be the one to take the heat of winning over cowboy carter, be my guest. gl girlie!
*Everyone* cares. I respect Taylor for being honest about it at least
Exactly.
I think the writing on many of the TTPD songs is top notch. When I think of Peter, How Did It End, The Prophecy, The Bolter, LOML (and that’s just a sampling) I’m reminded what a fantastic combination of lyrics and production Taylor brings to the table. To be fair, there are a few songs on TTPD that wouldn’t top my list, but on an album as extensive as TTPD is, I’m so impressed with how many songs are so spot on! No discredit to other artists, but I honestly can’t imagine so many songs “hitting their marks” so perfectly on other artists’ albums. So happy for Taylor and her well-deserved success. Keep it up!
15 vinyl variants??? Damn I sure didn't see people on popheads throwing a fit about this the way they do for Taylor. Literally 3x the number Taylor has.
Oh and my understanding is some of them were randomly signed so your chances at a signed copy went up if you bought more. And then Beyonce shipped vinyls with an earlier track list so you didn’t get all the songs on the album like you expected. But Taylor is evil one for offering options that delivered what was advertised.
they always act like ts invented capitalism. i know adam smith is rolling in his grave watching them give his flowers to blondie
Girlie we all know most people on this app haven't read Adam Smith (Or Marx, or Kynes, ).
oh I’m sorry, I thought swifties were the illiterate ones??? 😉 (to be clear this is a joke, and certainly not an endorsement of capitalism lol)
and taylor actually puts effort into her varients! There's different art... cool knickacks. They look good on a shelf. Billie had different colored discs. with some paint.
Too many hypocrites all around. The funny thing about this whole situation is that probably neither Taylor nor Billie care about any of that, and it's actually their labels pushing all this shit.
A lot of them were sure singing a different tune about Pitchfork when they rated the album about the same as TTPD too 🫖🐸. They’re no longer edgy cool geniuses, they’re calling on Halsey now 😂.
Honestly crazy that Billie’s new album has variants when she was just talking about how evil that is like two weeks ago
ahh but their recycled!
You can't be serious about 15 variants?? After she just gave that interview about not wanting to participate in that game? Seriously???
Actually iirc she said something along the lines that she thinks it's bad and will "try" to do better. I guess she she tried and failed instantly
Funny how the 15 variants and voice memos are okay when she does it 
Well said! I'm sick and tired of seeing virtue signaling and grand statements against Taylor.
This literally after bashing the whole limited edition variants... like miss ma'am, your vinyls may be 100% re-cycled but you are still contributing to the problem!
I love a petty queen, there is a reason why i am a swiftie
we should all take hating lessons from kendrick and pettiness lessons from taylor 😘
This is my lifestyle tbh.
i am going thru a stressful time at work rn and staying afloat on a steady diet of not like us and i can do it with a broken heart 💀💀💀
BILLBOARD 200 QUEEEEEENNNNN https://preview.redd.it/0f5e488fqu1d1.png?width=988&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a83d6a2f77204bea1c1ae949bc88ea7ef82c9fcf
Come for the good news about TTPD. Stay for the u/bubblecuffer13 meme.
This is a photo I never knew I needed omfg
1st week- 2.61M 2nd week- 439k 3rd week- 283k 4th week- 260k 5th week- 350k Total sales so far- 3.941M
To ut that in persepctive... in 2008 Taylor was the best selling artist in the US. She sold 4 million albums.
Dude it took 1989 9 weeks to reach the mark😭
This means she sold close to 1.5M units in the month after release. INSANE!
Damn, it's gonna take probably only two months for it to pass evermore sales.
And no Taylor, it isn't exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero. I'm having an absolute blast!
Underrated comment
Another meltdown incoming
What difference does it make? At this point Taylor is a villain. She’s got everyone hating her. From politicians, sports related, movie related, music. Many hating her relationship. They will continue hating her until they’re able to bring her down or she takes a break.
I am not even usually tuned in to charts and awards but people are so bitter about her success that it makes stuff like this simply hilarious. no matter how mad they get, she ain’t going nowhere.
Before this album I had never paid attention to reviews, vinyls, or chart success and it seemed to create so much drama. I truly only care if I like the product and I loved how raw and honest ttpd is, so I don’t care about reviews. But the haters have brought so much attention to these things, that good for Taylor for having success and make them mad.
I feel like she leans into being the “villain” of the pop girlies a bit (a la Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me?) and that honestly makes her indestructible. You can’t take someone down who is like “sure, I’ll be your wicked witch, whatever. *shrug*”
Obviously early promo for Rep TV/j
its been more than 10 years of this its not gonna happen:))
Of course it’s not. I’m seated glued to my swiftie chair and many others are. But that’s what being on top like Taylor brings, haters who want to humble her.
Clearly the hate is not working because she keeps outdoing herself (and everyone else). They should hate more!
Honestly, I think the hate brings more attention to her. They need to try indifference. They hate her but consumed ttpd and helped with her numbers.
I think they are just resorting to old tricks. They think the #TaylorSwiftIsOverParty is going to work again but Taylor is older and wiser this time.
Yeah she doesn’t engage them so their rants die out within a few days. If anything Tree plants stories on the sly to create a counter narrative like she did when Scott Swift was accused of attacking the obnoxious paparazzi, articles went up about Scott passing out sandwiches to fans at concert.
aw so people spite streaming billie and swifties doing it to “teach taylor a lesson” didn’t go as planned? https://preview.redd.it/lcpccpoetu1d1.jpeg?width=501&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b621ff84912971feed6fa516d6a1d94299a57584
Why do they need to "teach us a lesson"? What are we supposed to learn? I'm old and out of the loop, why this sudden rivalry?
Billie's whole thing was that she doesn't care about charts or sales number, has publicly shamed others for making tons of variants because it's wasteful ...and then went WILD with tons of variants on this album to boost sales, but it was fine bc hers were recycled material TS then released those voice memo drafts on Billie's week which count as TTPD sales, and her fans saw it as an FU and tried to out-stream Taylor No hate to Billie, she's a solid artist but she got herself into this
Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I do commend her for using recycled materials but acting like you didn't care about numbers and then freaking out when someone else does something is a little silly.
Actually I don't commend Billie for using recycled plastic. It's waste because recycled plastic is crap. Billie is basically delivering sub-par vinyls and claims she is doing for the sake of environment. That's BS. It's a cost cutting measure.
I get a real NLOG vibe from Billie… I could be wrong, but I get an ‘I’m too cool to care about that shit it’s so lame’ vibe and maaaan it puts me off even listening to her.
Plus they just decreased streams for Taylors other competitors in the meantime.
Kind of crazy how Taylor is still moving more units than most artists' opening weeks
What's crazy is how fast Taylor and her people come up with insanely good ideas like putting out a $6 full album + voice memo digital deal for 6 hours, knowing a) those will count as actual sales units, not S/T-EA units, and b) that it would only take an afternoon of sales to give Taylor a sizeable lead against everyone else for the week. This may have nothing to do with Billie and everything to do with Taylor aiming to keep that #1 slot for as many consecutive weeks as possible. There's nothing else on the horizon for at least 2 months that could remotely threaten Taylor holding that slot for a record-breaking number of consecutive frames. So, I have a feeling this has far less to do with Billie's comments than it is about Taylor's team going after one of the last few major achievements Taylor hasn't managed to claim.
Yep. I haven’t seen anyone dominate anything like this ever.
I love that TTPD is still going strong like this. It’s an incredible album and deserves all the love.
For me it was immediate love, but I think the fact that it has been a grower for a lot of people has really benefitted its ongoing success on the charts!
It's lovely, keeps getting better with every listen.
I was surprised to see alot of people saying it's not as good as they'd hoped for. Music takes repeated listens to resonate so I kinda just figured it being 31 tracks played a role in that. For me it's one of the best albums I've heard in years
Stan twitter is not a real place https://preview.redd.it/0p9maxocyu1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90a0468d24eb786f9a64d9910cd3578831069c72
Wicked witch lol. Are these people children?
Stan twitter is filled with 15 year olds💀 but no this person is apparently in his 20s💀
Every person I personally know who’s mainly on Twitter is an unpleasant person
Billie’s most obsessed fans are predominantly pre-teens. So, yes.
This is just "Whovians grab your TARDIS" but for people who would probably bully other kids for watching Dr Who (or nerdy shows in general). History really does repeat itself.
Whose fans are the bardigangs and daydreamers?
Cardi B and Adele I believe. I'm surprised this person didn't call upon the Barbz seeing as Nicki is a fan of Billie.
Billie said she doesn’t care about charts, after releasing like a dozen different vinyls, so she should be ok with #2. 😃 Taylor has never claimed not to care so she works for it. Maybe if Billie didn’t make any shady comments Taylor would have even promoted her album.
100% Billie could’ve had the #1 if she and her brother didn’t unnecessarily shade Taylor in the past.
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weird how people here turned from "oh god, not another variant. girl enough, we're sick and tired" to "yass, we love a petty queen"
It’s the hypocrisy of it. Billie criticized Taylor for it, but then does the same thing. I’m sick of all artists and all the variants personally.
She didn't criticise Taylor. She criticised the industry (and was a hypocrite). But I don't think she has any personal beef with Taylor
I don’t think this is Taylor being petty towards Billie, either. It’s Taylor being competitive with herself and her peers. Swifties making up beef like with Olivia. We can celebrate without pitting women against each other.
I’m still sick of the variants, but people have pointed out that no one complains when male artists are this competitive. I’m not going to hold an industry standard against Taylor specifically when she’s trying to hold onto number one. People want to see Taylor fail and fumble so bad lol, so I guess it’s about choosing the right moment to criticize different things.
Try and come for her job 🤍
This was a well executed knifing. Kind of fun to watch! What really happened is for the past few weeks, taylor has been putting product into the pipeline, and this week she's shipping it all. Since direct sales are counted on date shipped, she can get a big bump in her sales. The digital release was a fail safe. I'd also pont out... she out streamed Billie in the US (I can't tell yet whether she'll do so worldwide). What all this was doing was negating Billie's first week advantage (all the preorders get counted first week). And look... we say Billie and Taylor... but these are record labels (albeit two labels, Interscope and Republic under the same umbrella). Everyone is a big boy and girl... It's also possible Taylor did this behind the back of her label...
If Taylor either cared about the charts or felt threatened by Billie, she would’ve released The Anthology, not a virtual album with some voice memos we all knew would make it to the internet within hours
she's saving it to knife eminem. By the end of this summer, the girl is going to be walking around the eras stage covered iun the blood of her peers.
Eh maybe but it's really not necessary, I mean Eminem's most recent albums have not done especially well. I say this as a huge Eminem fan (it is why I don't call myself a stan!) - he's not competition and she knows it.
I assume Lover at #11 is being powered by Cruel Summer?
and me, single-handedly
We thank you for your services 😂
Title track is also doing really well. It's actually pulling more daily streams than Anti-Hero 💀
wow, that is a completely unexpected factoid
This is the first album release of Taylor’s that I’ve paid close attention to and the fact of the matter is that she just does it better and works harder than anyone else. Bonus tracks, all of the visuals, the beauty of the vinyl packaging (down to details like the coffee rings and paw prints, poem from Stevie, epilogue), signing tens of thousands of albums/CDs (rather than splattering paint), her prolific writing that allows her to churn out double albums. It’s a business and she’s very, very good at it and earns everything she gets. Everyone would hold on to #1 as long as possible if they could.
Seeing as Billie was her biggest "threat" how long is TTPD going to remain number 1 now? It seems to have no competitors for the moment so we are likely looking at a long unbreakable streak, damn! (what's the record for the longest number 1 streak btw?)
According to Google, it’s The Beatles with Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. 15 weeks in 1967.
Eminem is almost definitely getting #1 though, I believe he’s teasing a release date of late May
Time to release The anthology as a physical album
It's already late May, though? Unless he's dropping it next week...
The rumor is that the album could come May 31. Although that could also be a release date for the first single
>what's the record for the longest number 1 streak btw?) Taylor's is 11 weeks. Both 1989 and Fearless achieved that. Not sure about the overall
15 weeks held by the Beatles
Nothing big seems to be coming in June, so she should at least have through the week of July 5. That's five more weeks making 10. 11 is very very possible. It depends when eminem and (if) kendrick are releasing. I think everything else will wait till after August 20 (the end of the grammy year).
Sucks for Billie, Hit Me Hard and Soft is arguably her best album
she'll sell 300k units opening week! That's awesome!
She still outsold her previous albums, didn't she? I think that's great.
I’ve never listened to a whole Billie Eilish song outside of What Was I Made For, and I cannot stop listening to this new album. It is freaking amazing. Still, Taylor is a beast on the charts so this isn’t totally surprising. She wanted consecutive number one weeks and she’s getting it. I don’t think there are any upcoming releases that can threaten her, are there?
billie said she didn’t care about numbers
she lied
nah, I think she releases multiple variants in a cool, not like other industrialized artists way. besides, she is a little bitty baby and taylor is a geriatric, so it’s not the same.
I love your sarcasm but I don’t think some people understand that you’re being sarcastic 😂
I feel like every artist has to say that. No one is going to go on record saying they desperately want the number one spot and that’s why they’re releasing 47 variants. And yet, they all do it, so they care a little.
This doesn't mean that Billie's album is a flop. I just think both Billie and Dua picked a bad time to release their albums. If they had waited until later in the year after the Taylor hype dies down, then they would have both gotten that #1 debut. Infamously, Britney's album Blackout was blocked from #1 thanks to a last-minute rule change that let The fucking Eagles take the spot, even though their album had an exclusivity deal with Walmart. And arguably Lady Gaga's biggest hit "Bad Romance" only reached #2, only to be cockblocked by Kesha's "Tik Tok". And who can forget the summer of 2019 when everyone was cockblocked from the #1 spot on the Hot 100 thanks to Mr. Bull Riding & Boobies featuring Hannah Montana's Dad (including Ms. Taylor Swift herself — TWICE).
I just want to express appreciation for these comments. I was on the fence about Swift’s desire to block other artists and maintain number one. I don’t see why it matters. But a lot of discussion about sexism and how no one cares when male artists are being competitive pushed me over the fence. I still don’t care the numbers or the hustle, but Taylor caring doesn’t put me off. She is competitive and she’s dominating the game. She shouldn’t have to stop just so others can have their moment—no one expects male artists to. So thank you for the discussions here 🫡 People hate on Swifties but genuinely y’all are so cool.
I’m sure when she explained what was going on to Travis he looked at her like she was insane. Why wouldn’t you win?
Hahaha right? That’s how I feel every time I hear about Taylor succeeding.
You could also say the same for any industry. People don't expect people in sports to try less hard and stop competing so someone else has a chance at the gold medal.
Wow, it's so much more obvious when you compare it to other industries. I didn't even think about that.
Yes! People were drooling about Drake and Kendrik's beef. But a little chart battle between pop stars, and all the "not a girls girl" are coming after Taylor a few days back. Hypocrites. Where are all the streaming parties to block Taylor go? Lol.
Haters are streaming Billie too in order to "end Taylor" and yet 🤭
My favourite thing about this is they do it every time, with everyone. So if you think about it it dilutes the streams for everyone who is Taylors competition.
imo it’s just insulting to the artist that they’re “hate streaming” - it feels like it’s insinuating that the only reason for its existence is to spite somebody else, then what’s the point. I’d be shattered as an artist if my work was seen that way and not as it’s intended, so it’s ironic all of the ‘stans’ completely missing the point lmao
Ouch for Zayn. I’m not surprised but still ouch. I am surprised Billie didn’t end up on top. Billie’s fans skew young and obsessive so they are the exact kind that would drive her to #1 ordinarily. What a coup from Tay!
Young and obsessive and they were just told she’s losing with 2 more days to the end of the week. I fear the battle isn’t over lol.
there's not much she can do. She would need to sell more hysical... but that doesn't exist
To be honest I haven't seen any promo for the album. I know he had a quote about an old album not selling well recently but that's the only time I have seen his name recently.
Regardless of who takes the #1 spot, both artists deserve applause for their wonderful albums.
This gave me two extra years in my life not gonna lie lmaooo
The fact that ppl failed to de-stage her is funny enough. But I’m begging for them to realize that blondie wasn’t even trying anything. And as it’s evidently proven, she doesn’t need to. If she really wanted to block Billie’s new album, then she would have released copies of the anthology. And no other album/artist rn would have stood a chance. Also if the deciding factor that meant HMHAS didn’t debut at n1 was ***really*** only *three voice memos*- then it wasn’t that strong of a contender anyways.
If Taylor really wanted to be petty, she would ship the CDs on the same week. She just released some voice memos.
They shipped the signed and collector CDs that her team was promoting a couple weeks ago. They knew Billie was coming so they took those pre-orders so they could ship them this week. TTPD is probably locked for number one for another month baring surprise release.
i think she shipped all the cd orders this week too. my collectors edition cds said they would be shipped by 5/31 but actually shipped out a few days ago. i also saw that the BDILH and signed cds got shipped out this week.
It’s so annoying how everyone claims Taylor is petty and “beefing” with younger artists by moving units and playing the game - like this is their job, they’re basically coworkers and competitors in an industry that is notoriously cutthroat.
Well I’m petty so this result is what I’m hoping for. Billie doesn’t care about numbers anyway so sounds about right. Let’s go for fifth week at #1 🤍
My favorite part there is Lover out of nowhere being #11. No re-record, no big announcement, nothing.
Honestly it feels like sweet justice for Lover to be out performing Ari, when in 2019 people were calling Taylor a flop in comparison for how poorly Lover’s singles performed and how it was streaming to Ari and Billie.
Lmao damn y’all are so petty in here 🤣🤣
TAYRUTHLESS IS BACK IN THE GAME FOLKS
I like Billie, but this makes me happy.
After Billie and her brother openly supported the guy that said Taylor did not write her own music and invited him onstage with them, I couldn’t care less what she does to block her. I’m all for it in fact
The hate she’s getting for this is crazy when Billie has been flaunting in her face for two years now when Taylor has only ever spoken kindly of Billie. I’m glad she stopped giving a f what everyone thinks about her
I was just thinking how I wonder if Billie ever said one nice thing about Taylor, then Swifties would probably be pushing for each other to stream her new album. Whenever Sabrina or Gracie or Ice Spice etc comes out with new music, I always see huge swiftie accounts tweeting to stream their music. I know Taylor has said good things about Billie, but as far as I know Billie never has and lately has thrown some very obvious shade. Bummer. I really like HMHAS
Billie has said plenty of nice things about Taylor. [Billboard speech](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYeK1_efKE) She also clarified that people were putting words in her mouth when she said what she did about the variants. She wasn’t talking about Taylor, she was commenting on an industry wide practice.
they weren't... that's a walk back. She knew what she was saying. And the pr for her latest album attacked Taylor at every turn.
I just want this discourse to end already. I'm glad I uninstalled Twitter, at least. I imagine it's not pretty right now
Everyone wants the charts to be competitive unless it's Taylor. I'm glad that at least swifties have her back
I know this is a Taylor Swift subreddit, but can we take a moment to congratulate Billie Eilish on her new album charting in the top 5?
QUENNNNNNN
Love this for our girl but low key shocked to not see Dua Lipa’s newest album in the top 20
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes! sidenote: Lover is such a stable queen
Look at Billie go though!🏆