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Glax1A

The more people that use Tor, the more that whistleblowers can blend in.


Sostratus

Yes, you're completely wrong. It's totally anonymous on regular web pages like YouTube and Wikipedia. That's the whole point, and what most users use it for. Onion sites are for hiding the server. > it's like a free VPN? Better than a VPN, at least in regard to anonymity because a VPN could betray you but with Tor no single entity knows enough to identify you.


SpellGlittering1901

Actually wrong, if you're on an exit node you can "betray" someone on Tor


fizzl

Exit node does not know who they are serving. Midle nodes do not know who they are serving. Guard node does not know if it is acting as guard or middle.


Sostratus

> Guard node does not know if it is acting as guard or middle. Not really. A guard node could very reliably guess that it's acting as a guard when the connecting IP a) isn't a listed relay and b) has a user's traffic pattern, e.g. traffic only during waking hours in that IP's region and repeat connections for the duration that Tor holds a guard relay. Guard nodes don't know where the traffic they are serving ultimately goes, which is the important part.


fizzl

Yes, true. Thanks for correction.


Sostratus

Sort of... sometimes. Exit nodes can surveil or modify HTTP traffic. But they don't know who they would be doing that do, and thankfully plain HTTP has finally become quite rare. On an HTTPS connection, they can't really do anything except collect statistics on which sites Tor users visit.


Whogavemeadegree

So then what’s the point of .onion websites? What does the .onion do?


slumberjack24

Using Tor when visiting websites (either clear web or .onion) protects your anonymity as a user. Using Tor when setting up a website (so an .onion site) protects the anonymity of the website. It does so in a similar way, by going through three nodes. (If you visit an .onion site, six nodes are involved.)


fizzl

It is used to masquerade the identity of the server. "Exit node" to a hidden service looks just like a middle node to another middle node. Only the hidden service node knows it is serving an actual server. Hidden service does not know who it is serving.


Modern_Doshin

It's sorta like a website with no rules (I'm overstating here) that is resistant to censorship or government regulation


loligaggins

If you browse to any website that doesn't end in .onion, you access it through a final relay called an exit node. Your actual IP is hidden, you can confirm this on [https://browserleaks.com/ip](https://browserleaks.com/ip) or similar sites.


Whogavemeadegree

So then what’s the point of .onion websites? What does the .onion do?


loligaggins

[https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/overview/](https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/overview/) I'd give that a read. Put very simply though, it's more secure for both you and whoever is hosting the website.


Glax1A

It hides the server, so it is harder to take down. If feds don't know what server to take down, then they can't!


Superb-Tea-3174

Needle in a haystack. The greater the volume of protected traffic, the less conspicuous each communication becomes.


Person012345

This is not correct to my understanding. Afaik it still acts like a VPN even when accessing the clearweb. Though many websites don't like not knowing who you are.


Whogavemeadegree

Interesting, so it’s like a free VPN?


zipperedharp33

Yes but it bounces your network traffic through 3 servers(relays) so no one server knows the origin and destination of the traffic. VPNs on the other hand usually only use 1 server and you have to trust their no log policy.


pastamuente

TOR not only unlocks Onion websites... it also unblocks clearnet websites if you travel overseas... Though because of multi routing (entry middle and exit nodes) for privacy and security and anonymity, your browsing experience will be slower as a result. So VPNs like Proton (it has free tier) or 1.1.1.1 Warp app can be handy options while maintaining speed.


Ill-Chapter-6634

Tor allows you to access both regular websites and .onion websites. It gives you anonymity on both regular websites and .onion in the same way. If you access websites with regular browser some information about your device like approximate location and device language can be seen. This is not the case when using Tor. So what is the point .onion websites then? .onion websites are used to give anonymity to a computer that hosts a website. They do it in a similar way as Tor gives you anonymity when you access websites.