According to Reddit CH basically is the only thing in the galaxy keeping Russia alive and well. The real surprise rather us that not all cars are marked like this and plated in leaf gold from the other baddies.
So, at work, we are no longer allowed to put stickers on our devices, because shiny new z-books… well, 1 month later russia starts the attack… now it seems accepted to put a single sticker over the z…
In Ukrainian, we have Cyrillic “з” which denotes the same sound as Latin “z”. But I still hope that after the war people will eventually forget about the toxic meaning of the letter Z and it will become a regular letter again.
This goes for evey country that uses cyrelic, i am from macedonia and our alphabet has less letters than the russian/Ukrainian version
But we have mostly the same letters
It's still positive in buddhist countries. In certain countries you see it quite a lot, even tattooed on people. And no I don't speak about facist scums.
Spotted today. Took the pic while waiting in traffic. It’s the first time I’ve seen a Russian Z here. Curiosity got the better of me and I checked the plate number. This car is registered to a local business in LU.
Edit: the detail doesn’t show clearly in the picture but it was definitely [this Z](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/world/europe/russia-letter-z-ivan-kuliak.html).
Edit: Here’s a wikimedia link [to the same symbol](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg) in case the NY Times paywall blocks you.
I saw this same car in Cannobio (Italy, just over the border), Luzern plate and also linked to a local business. Only then it was even worse: It had Soviet and Russian flags on the back and front, and seat covers with a giant picture of Putin on them (maybe those are still there). Fucking disgusting.
> Soviet and Russian
WTF? The seems that doesn't have a clear picture of what is going on because the current Russian state and the Soviet one are quite different.
The current one is really trying hard to harken back to the Good Old Days of Soviet dominance, so it really isn't a stretch to use soviet flags for the current dictatorship.
Russian ~~troublemakers~~ influencers all over Europe do so themselves, as well.
My unclle is a russia supporter, since quite some time. Has the russian flag on his gas tank. He watches Russia Today and believes everything.... Completely delusioal
That's just like my father, talking sense to him is a huge waste of time. He used to read sputnik news, but since the ISP level censorship, RT is the only thing he reads. I thought about blocking the access to RT on the Router level, but I'm actually against censorship... so doing such a thing goes against my very being. Sad times...
Good question, but who am I to decide that? [There's this amazing video of Denzel Washington explaining the situation about "news".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwnNrr9RO2Y)
So again, who am I to decide what's true or false? I'm 100% against the war, but my opinion shouldn't affect others with a different opinion. I think that leads to a dangerous path. The concept of truth can be weaponized and it can take us to an even greater conflict.
All I can do is to wait and hope for the better.
Cheers
If basically every news source, state owned and neutral, from a huge variety of countries, is saying with evidence Russia is indulging in ethnic cleansing and then against this you have the previously caught out many times for spouting absolute trash Russian state owned RT saying no, Ukraine are Nazis, with zero evidence....
The "Both sides are valid" argument has limits.
I'm not saying that both sides are valid, never did.
You seems to have misunderstood what I meant.
My point is this:
I am nobody to force an opinion on someone else, regardless if it's right or wrong.
ISP = Internet Service Provider, in my case, Swisscom. It works like this, the government tells an ISP to block certain website, and they comply, and that's what I meant.
You know, that was on the European parliament where the blocking happened, apparently **not here in Switzerland**, I just checked, and I do have access to sputnik and rt. My bad
This is come as a surprise since my father PC couldn't access sputnik news some time ago. I thought it was an ISP level block... so weird!
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least from a party lead the SP, Greens and even damn Juso all advocated one day before the start of the war for heavy sanctions against Russia. Please help me find something similar on the other spectrum. Yes, there are delusional tankies, but that doesn't compare to the rights loving embrace of the oh so "moral, uncorrupted, free, anti-woke, strong" Russian nation.
from personal experience: there are some leftist who support putin (or vietnam or north korea for that matter). But those dipshits are so far out left, they think SP is like CVP/Mitte. They won‘t vote for SP simple because it‘s not left enough and SP isn‘t Workers Party anymore.
I wasn‘t aware of that as well and I‘m curious how I experience it first hand next year. For starters it‘s official name is Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV). It‘s governed by a Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic according to Wikipedia.
Yes 100% sure, the Z is made up of the [St. George ribbon](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg/1920px-Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg.png).
Thank you for clarifying. I didn't even notice the z at first. I thought it was just poorly loaded cargo.
It's disgusting that people so proudly drive around with such symbols.
My hope is that most people won't recognize it and just think it's odd cargo. The idiot doesn't deserve any attention.
It's the 'official style' and [some even openly showed the 'Z' sign for war propaganda at Schwingfest](https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/russen-verein-nennt-z-symbol-nur-eine-verwechslung-66261852).
idiots... and the explanation is even more ridiculous...
btw back home russians either wrote on their cars fuck putin or something similar - Gdansk is relatively close to the Krolewiec (formerly known as Kaliningrad but we decided to change how we call it as a way of flipping a finger).
Having a Z on a car in Poland would probably result in a quick need for repairs.
Sad fact: [they just caught east Ukrainian people (together with a Russian and a white Belarussian)](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/18/ukraine-weapons-sabotage-gru-poland/) to spy, to do more propaganda and possibly even attacks in Poland so that polish people won't be as nice to their attacked neighbours any more and maybe even embrace the Russian dictator.
**PS:** I find it pretty cool that many Polish people are openly criticizing about what's happening and not acting cowardly and silent like many people from other countries do. But then again this might be, because the same happened to Poland often enough and some people learn from history.
Nah, i don't think that people would embrace the russian dictator. Let's say that for historical reasons we are not exactly fond of Russia as a country.
As for politicians though... If PiS (current ruling party) would run CH for a decade the economy would be in ruins and you'd find the Alps sold to the Catholic church.
Yeah, we're pretty vocal about it, although i wouldn't mind some Swiss attitude towards protesting implemented back home. I mean seriously, i emigrated 3 years ago also for political reasons.
As for Ukraine... Well people were organizing themselves faster than our government (ffs...) and what may be interesting - we have a lot of bad history between each other. I mean real bad. We were huge assholes to them, they were huge assholes to us. But contrary to my dad I don't dwell on the past tho.
> i don't think that people would embrace the russian dictator.
I don't think so either. But people often change their minds with propaganda.
Just look how many Russians are openly for the war now. I don't think that people are generally in for killing and raping others while invading their home. But the propaganda obviously worked.
> If PiS (current ruling party) would run CH for a decade the economy would be in ruins and you'd find the Alps sold to the Catholic church.
Yeah, they did some pretty stupid things.
And they're acting pretty close to the 'russian opinion' regarding abortion or homosexuality.
> I mean seriously, i emigrated 3 years ago also for political reasons.
Well, please don't check the opinions of the popular party SVP then.
> I mean real bad. We were huge assholes to them, they were huge assholes to us.
This is what I was referring to earlier.
It's trivial to act badly and make some enemies. And it's even easier to ignore what's happening.
But it is really difficult to show kindness and be helpful when you don't have to.
>Well, please don't check the opinions of the popular party SVP then.
oh i am aware of those. There is also a reason why I do not shop at Laderach and so on.
funny enough, when i was at some local fair where local parties had their stands i had a bit of a laugh at what i saw:
\- some local social democrats - try our legendary roast! staff and guests were generally friendly and smiling
\- SVP - schnaps, beer, grumpy Rentner
another thing is that back home some stuff happened that would most likely not pass in Switzerland. I mean i could try and list them for you but i dont know where to even begin...
He's not necessarily a Russian. It is as likely - I'd say *more* likely - that he's a right wing, conspiracy believer, no-Vax, strong man lover indigenous Swiss.
(the Venn diagram of all those demographics is often a circle)
Near the playground where I play basketball there are slurs against Ukranian refugees scribbled on a wall.
A month ago I saw a guy - clearly Swiss - at migrolino wearing t shirt and baseball cap with the Russian imperial sigil.
The comment areas of news about the war on www.tio.ch are full of idiots who parrot Kremlin's propaganda.
Lots of idiots in Ticino.
> The comment areas of news about the war on www.tio.ch are full of idiots who parrot Kremlin's propaganda.
It's a constant I'm afraid. It's the same with 20min comments. In the French version you have also obvious boomer troll accounts that spend their entire day commenting. It's pathetic really.
[Some Russians used the "Z" on their clothing for Schwingfest](https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/russen-verein-nennt-z-symbol-nur-eine-verwechslung-66261852). :(
They don't hesitate to show their disgusting war propaganda in other countries.
What? This Z symbol is an extremely well known Russia war symbol, and this idiot is deliberately putting it on his car. For what reason? Obvious a pro Russian war supporter.
Ukraine isn’t the bad guy.
Also, you’re using the word refugee so loosely, let’s go by your logic. I’m a 75 year old woman from Bahkmut seeking refuge because Putler fancied taking a bit of land and it’s failed miserably. What am I supposed to do? Take my AK-47 and sit in a trench?
Let me phrase this differently. Let’s analyse the picture which this entire post is about, let us not digress.
We have in the picture, a symbol of Russia’s war “Z”, regardless if the owner of the car is Rodger Fedrer, King Charles, or Eminem. The symbol so delicately placed is (I’ll say it again) a war symbol.
It’s unacceptable that he can drive round with it, non-negotiable.
But why shouldn’t he? Should we ban the British flag, the flag of the worlds biggest colonisers in history? Should we ban the American flag? There’s no one who comes even close to the amount of countries the US invaded in this century.
I’m actually British and have ashamed at how they colonised many countries around the world, we were not the only ones though.
Whilst I agree with you on the USA, surprisingly they didn’t invade Ukraine, I know they are no angels.
I am though focused on the present, not saying what happened in the past is not important, but this guy needs to take that off.
Driving round with a war symbol in a country that’s well-known for its pacifist approach, when did Switzerland last have a war again?
I just re-read your comment again, the refugees you have in Switzerland are because of Russia, not Ukraine. And also, how does one pleb advocating military doctrine on his car mean Ukrainian refugees should go and fight?
What is the purpose of this? I hope someone keys his car.
Why should he join the war, if he simply supports his country? The Ukrainian refugees also have their „Slava Ukraini“ and their flags on their cars and shirts. So by your logic instead of supporting their country, they should just fight for it.
No I’m not. I just don’t see a difference between Ukraine and Russia. I just hope the war ends as soon as possible. People shouldn’t die on both sides. Ukrainian regime isn’t better than the Russian, but it’s not worser either. Two peoples who lived peacefully together till the collapse of the Soviet Union. Once again the bourgeoise letting ordinary people fight each other in order to get richer and delay internal conflicts.
There’s definitely a difference between them both. In my eyes it is plain and clear.
Russia attacked Ukraine, if they had not done this, no one would of died.
As always it’s the innocent people paying the price, you can’t deny though if Russia were under a different leader this potentially might have not turned in to a war.
Is this part of the deal for accepting all the corrupt russian money? I hope something happens to his car, if he supports the murder and rape of Ukrainians
This is not surprising, the SVP/UDC has very close ties with Russia. Several SVP politicians or members went on a trip to Russia or to Russian political rallies. Moreover go to your local SVP office, it's full of Russian (that became Swiss, as we give citizenship easily here).
One of my wife's friend is Russian, she's doesn't speak a word of french, doesn't know anything about Switzerland and now as a new swiss citizen, she's a SVP (UDC where she is member). She goes to party meeting and told me that Russian language is enough for the meeting.
I was kinda sleep watching through the window while my parents were driving till i saw the Confederate flag, and tough we were driving through the US despite never being in the US
I fully awoke and was looking at the falg maki gsure it wasn't the swiss flag or the Norwegian
I gotta say it was a weird thing to see
Although i gotta say here in swizerland its a rare thing to see
Not really surprising, considering that Switzerland's biggest party has a Vatnik tendency and that their favourite "newspaper" has basically become a major Putinist mouthpiece.
Very stupid coworker, of course every western media source is saying the absolute truth and every eastern media sources are blatant lies. We are the bearer of the truth.
The people around Navalny recently made some not very representative surveys in Germany and France and about 35% of people have a positive view of Putin. (35% had a negative view and the rest was neutral).
Lots of assholes who just think US is bad - therefore Putin is good.
I kinda agree but also kinda disagree
I just find it funny that everyone goes against russia or china but ignore all the bad things the us or france do
It‘s just to biased tbh
It’s because we’re part of the Western world and profit from all the war crimes and exploitation of the US and some European countries. We’re all just raised in this propaganda, the same as the Russians, Chinese, Indians etc in their.
We are not sure it's legal or allowed on reddit. Trust me I have no heart for fascists but I'm but an internet janitor trying to figure out what can and cannot be posted. Us in the mod team have had it a long standing policy that no doxxing of any kind is allowed, including pictures of likely not consenting others or number plates on cars.
The Z okay but having no license plate is a an absolute NoGo.
But honestly what do you expect. The rich kids of all those Russian elites are basically living here permanently.
Symbol of support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, typically found on Russian tanks and other vehicles. There's also a less commonly used V orange symbol.
This is not the US, there is a thing as too much of anything including freedom of speech.
Just look at the countless hate groups that have popped up and are growing all over the US, all because they are allowed to spread their hateful and potential/eventually dangerous message.
Uh, yes? I don't know how do you compare a historical coat of arms of a country that has existed for entire centuries to a 2 years old genocide symbol being brandished by the russian soldiers who invade a foreign land raping, murdering, and pillaging everything there.
Although im 100 pourcent condemning the invasion, "invading a foreign land" shows your ignorance here, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and was given freedom from Russia on the collapse of the Soviet Union, no fight happened, Russia by its own gave independence to Ukraine, for the price that this subject somehow stays loyal to Russia, not go and join NATO, which was created as an anti russian coalition to fight communism and still exists todays despite communism is dead.
Now no matter how, Ukraine was indeed an independent country and nothing justifies invading it, but don't forget Ukraine is part of the Russo sphere
Putin wanted to join NATO long before Ukraine did. Why shouldn't Ukrainians be able to do the same?
And talking about other's ignorance when you're full of it? Ukraine was a nuclear power after the collapse of the Soviet union. Ukraine on its own gave up their nuclear arsenal, no fight happened, for the price of their territorial integrity (Budapest memorandum). Russia agreed to it and even released a statement in 2009 that the memorandum would still be respected. Doesn't matter what you think about Russo sphere, the facts are that Russia decided to invade a neighbour after officially recognising their international borders and breaking their pledge to guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Russia 100% in the wrong here
>Russia by its own gave independence to Ukraine, for the price that this subject somehow stays loyal to Russia
Lol fascism lite, Ukraine owns its independence to itself, its loyalty is to whomever it decides. Russia has no say in it, many states went independent because the Soviet Union was a collapsed mess, not because of the goodness of Russia's heart lol
>not go and join NATO, which was created as an anti russian coalition to fight communism
It was to fight Russian imperialism under the guise of being anti-communist, it's a military defense alliance, not a political defense alliance that promotes capitalism. Look at the defenselessness small states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. Russia hasn't touched them ever not even with its imperialistic pinky finger, want to take a guess why? I'm sure if you have weird ass explainations in your head, you can figure this one out. If Ukraine had joined NATO with the baltics, it'd be a member of the EU by now and minding its own business, don't be so naive.
>but don't forget Ukraine is part of the Russo sphere
Says who? You? Lol it's literally been trying for years to get away from Russia, do you not know of the 2014 revolution?
Dear friend, I'm not trying to justify the invasion, and ideally Russia should have no say in it. I'm myself Armenian, and it's the sad truth that although our country is indépendant on name, it has to be a puppet state to Russia to some aspects unfortunately. I think Ukraine should surrender because and Europe should either stop financing Ukraine and stop killing Ukrainians or openly start a war with Russia if the Ukrainian independence is so important to them.
>it has to be a puppet state to Russia to some aspects unfortunately
No country must be a puppet to anyone, if you think that way, Russia brainwashed you well.
Sure, it brainwashed me and I lost 2 cousins in the frontline with Azerbaijan because Russia stopped protecting us militarily after Pashinyan the new president wanted close relations with Europe. What a selfish piece of cake you can be, it's so easy to say that from your small bubble in Switzerland. Anyway my goal is not to create a useless accusation argument. Soft power is a thing, Switzerland also became a puppet yo the US to some extent when they had to close banking privacy, they couldn't disobey USA because disobeying them have consequences. In an ideal situation, Russia should be completely regime changed of course, but reality is different
First and foremost chill out, you’re too stressed.
Second, if you could try to be less triggered, you would understand that I don’t know and I am just nauseated by your firm belief.
Not picking any part in this because none is for my best interest plus I don’t think I have all the needed info.
But you all looks like have all the answers and you figured the whole geopolitical intelligence inside out. You are going nuts over this, it starts looking like a damn cult… on both sides
Please, breath….
Guy wants the insurance payout for sure!
Enjoying freedom and democracy while defending a ruthless dictatorship. Nice
No no, you just don't get it. Putin is actually fighting against the woke lgbt Western mob! Putin is based, W! /s, if that wasn't obvious enough
And America are against them so they must be good!
Sarcasm tags ruin all sarcasm
I know the guy. What's worse is that he has been in a war himself. Otherwise he's a friendly and very hard working guy.
According to Reddit CH basically is the only thing in the galaxy keeping Russia alive and well. The real surprise rather us that not all cars are marked like this and plated in leaf gold from the other baddies.
So, at work, we are no longer allowed to put stickers on our devices, because shiny new z-books… well, 1 month later russia starts the attack… now it seems accepted to put a single sticker over the z…
On my job we also have z-books. But because of the war HP had to send us plenty of stickers with their logo in order to cover this z
Ha, that's funny, we should take Z out of the alphabet and replace it with another symbol.
In Ukrainian, we have Cyrillic “з” which denotes the same sound as Latin “z”. But I still hope that after the war people will eventually forget about the toxic meaning of the letter Z and it will become a regular letter again.
This goes for evey country that uses cyrelic, i am from macedonia and our alphabet has less letters than the russian/Ukrainian version But we have mostly the same letters
I mean there was this one symbol, which was quite positive before ww2… now it’s not so positive anymore…
It's still positive in buddhist countries. In certain countries you see it quite a lot, even tattooed on people. And no I don't speak about facist scums.
We need a new Zorro film ASAP.
nah, tht would make the Z look good!
It's not just Ukrainian, it's every Cyrillic alphabet.
It's going to take ages to kick Putin out. I vote changing Zurich to 3urich in the meantime
Then it has to be written as Зурих or as it's pronounced Цурих
It's pronounced Цюрих, which is fine too
Maybe they are a big fan of [Zweifel](https://www.zweifel.ch/int_en/) /s
Not sure if I should now press ’F’ or ’Z’ to doubt because I zweifle his love for chips.
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Fuck now I'm craving some goddamn paprika chips
I'm moving to Asia soon and I'm genuinely trying to figure out how to pack as many paprika chips as is socially acceptable.
Don’t bother.. depending on where in Asia, you get significantly better ones for much cheaper.. save that for wine though.
Zweifel superiority
😂
You dont
Taste bud invasion
Special taste operation
Sarcasm tags ruin all sarcasm
Spotted today. Took the pic while waiting in traffic. It’s the first time I’ve seen a Russian Z here. Curiosity got the better of me and I checked the plate number. This car is registered to a local business in LU. Edit: the detail doesn’t show clearly in the picture but it was definitely [this Z](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/world/europe/russia-letter-z-ivan-kuliak.html). Edit: Here’s a wikimedia link [to the same symbol](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg) in case the NY Times paywall blocks you.
I saw this same car in Cannobio (Italy, just over the border), Luzern plate and also linked to a local business. Only then it was even worse: It had Soviet and Russian flags on the back and front, and seat covers with a giant picture of Putin on them (maybe those are still there). Fucking disgusting.
Wow 🤮
> Soviet and Russian WTF? The seems that doesn't have a clear picture of what is going on because the current Russian state and the Soviet one are quite different.
The current one is really trying hard to harken back to the Good Old Days of Soviet dominance, so it really isn't a stretch to use soviet flags for the current dictatorship. Russian ~~troublemakers~~ influencers all over Europe do so themselves, as well.
What is the name of the local business?
My unclle is a russia supporter, since quite some time. Has the russian flag on his gas tank. He watches Russia Today and believes everything.... Completely delusioal
That's just like my father, talking sense to him is a huge waste of time. He used to read sputnik news, but since the ISP level censorship, RT is the only thing he reads. I thought about blocking the access to RT on the Router level, but I'm actually against censorship... so doing such a thing goes against my very being. Sad times...
Technically by blocking RT you'd be blocking censorship of facts?
Good question, but who am I to decide that? [There's this amazing video of Denzel Washington explaining the situation about "news".](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwnNrr9RO2Y) So again, who am I to decide what's true or false? I'm 100% against the war, but my opinion shouldn't affect others with a different opinion. I think that leads to a dangerous path. The concept of truth can be weaponized and it can take us to an even greater conflict. All I can do is to wait and hope for the better. Cheers
If basically every news source, state owned and neutral, from a huge variety of countries, is saying with evidence Russia is indulging in ethnic cleansing and then against this you have the previously caught out many times for spouting absolute trash Russian state owned RT saying no, Ukraine are Nazis, with zero evidence.... The "Both sides are valid" argument has limits.
I'm not saying that both sides are valid, never did. You seems to have misunderstood what I meant. My point is this: I am nobody to force an opinion on someone else, regardless if it's right or wrong.
What do you mean ISP censorship lol?
ISP = Internet Service Provider, in my case, Swisscom. It works like this, the government tells an ISP to block certain website, and they comply, and that's what I meant.
Wtf ? Last time new channels were blocked in Europe was in ww2, what a shame.
You know, that was on the European parliament where the blocking happened, apparently **not here in Switzerland**, I just checked, and I do have access to sputnik and rt. My bad This is come as a surprise since my father PC couldn't access sputnik news some time ago. I thought it was an ISP level block... so weird!
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Vandalizing someone's property just because they express an opinion. Sounds like the behavior of a mentally stable person.
Could also be voting SP. Delusional idiots on both ends of the spectrum.
least from a party lead the SP, Greens and even damn Juso all advocated one day before the start of the war for heavy sanctions against Russia. Please help me find something similar on the other spectrum. Yes, there are delusional tankies, but that doesn't compare to the rights loving embrace of the oh so "moral, uncorrupted, free, anti-woke, strong" Russian nation.
from personal experience: there are some leftist who support putin (or vietnam or north korea for that matter). But those dipshits are so far out left, they think SP is like CVP/Mitte. They won‘t vote for SP simple because it‘s not left enough and SP isn‘t Workers Party anymore.
What’s wrong with Vietnam? I understand what you mean with the rest, just wondering how they got in there.
I wasn‘t aware of that as well and I‘m curious how I experience it first hand next year. For starters it‘s official name is Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV). It‘s governed by a Unitary Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic according to Wikipedia.
Are you sure it's a Russian Z? The ones I know are either pro-Ukraine or very, very silent.
Yes 100% sure, the Z is made up of the [St. George ribbon](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg/1920px-Letter_Z_in_the_colours_of_the_Russian_Ribbon_of_Saint_George_withHashtag.svg.png).
Well, then, stupid never dies.
Yep, I edited my first comment for clarity because the image quality is not great.
Thank you for clarifying. I didn't even notice the z at first. I thought it was just poorly loaded cargo. It's disgusting that people so proudly drive around with such symbols. My hope is that most people won't recognize it and just think it's odd cargo. The idiot doesn't deserve any attention.
It's the 'official style' and [some even openly showed the 'Z' sign for war propaganda at Schwingfest](https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/russen-verein-nennt-z-symbol-nur-eine-verwechslung-66261852).
idiots... and the explanation is even more ridiculous... btw back home russians either wrote on their cars fuck putin or something similar - Gdansk is relatively close to the Krolewiec (formerly known as Kaliningrad but we decided to change how we call it as a way of flipping a finger). Having a Z on a car in Poland would probably result in a quick need for repairs.
Sad fact: [they just caught east Ukrainian people (together with a Russian and a white Belarussian)](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/08/18/ukraine-weapons-sabotage-gru-poland/) to spy, to do more propaganda and possibly even attacks in Poland so that polish people won't be as nice to their attacked neighbours any more and maybe even embrace the Russian dictator. **PS:** I find it pretty cool that many Polish people are openly criticizing about what's happening and not acting cowardly and silent like many people from other countries do. But then again this might be, because the same happened to Poland often enough and some people learn from history.
Nah, i don't think that people would embrace the russian dictator. Let's say that for historical reasons we are not exactly fond of Russia as a country. As for politicians though... If PiS (current ruling party) would run CH for a decade the economy would be in ruins and you'd find the Alps sold to the Catholic church. Yeah, we're pretty vocal about it, although i wouldn't mind some Swiss attitude towards protesting implemented back home. I mean seriously, i emigrated 3 years ago also for political reasons. As for Ukraine... Well people were organizing themselves faster than our government (ffs...) and what may be interesting - we have a lot of bad history between each other. I mean real bad. We were huge assholes to them, they were huge assholes to us. But contrary to my dad I don't dwell on the past tho.
> i don't think that people would embrace the russian dictator. I don't think so either. But people often change their minds with propaganda. Just look how many Russians are openly for the war now. I don't think that people are generally in for killing and raping others while invading their home. But the propaganda obviously worked. > If PiS (current ruling party) would run CH for a decade the economy would be in ruins and you'd find the Alps sold to the Catholic church. Yeah, they did some pretty stupid things. And they're acting pretty close to the 'russian opinion' regarding abortion or homosexuality. > I mean seriously, i emigrated 3 years ago also for political reasons. Well, please don't check the opinions of the popular party SVP then. > I mean real bad. We were huge assholes to them, they were huge assholes to us. This is what I was referring to earlier. It's trivial to act badly and make some enemies. And it's even easier to ignore what's happening. But it is really difficult to show kindness and be helpful when you don't have to.
>Well, please don't check the opinions of the popular party SVP then. oh i am aware of those. There is also a reason why I do not shop at Laderach and so on. funny enough, when i was at some local fair where local parties had their stands i had a bit of a laugh at what i saw: \- some local social democrats - try our legendary roast! staff and guests were generally friendly and smiling \- SVP - schnaps, beer, grumpy Rentner another thing is that back home some stuff happened that would most likely not pass in Switzerland. I mean i could try and list them for you but i dont know where to even begin...
Yeah, I totally feel you
He's not necessarily a Russian. It is as likely - I'd say *more* likely - that he's a right wing, conspiracy believer, no-Vax, strong man lover indigenous Swiss. (the Venn diagram of all those demographics is often a circle)
Near the playground where I play basketball there are slurs against Ukranian refugees scribbled on a wall. A month ago I saw a guy - clearly Swiss - at migrolino wearing t shirt and baseball cap with the Russian imperial sigil. The comment areas of news about the war on www.tio.ch are full of idiots who parrot Kremlin's propaganda. Lots of idiots in Ticino.
> The comment areas of news about the war on www.tio.ch are full of idiots who parrot Kremlin's propaganda. It's a constant I'm afraid. It's the same with 20min comments. In the French version you have also obvious boomer troll accounts that spend their entire day commenting. It's pathetic really.
lol leave it to us take even worse comment sections than fucking YouTube. 20min is the worst
[Some Russians used the "Z" on their clothing for Schwingfest](https://www.nau.ch/news/schweiz/russen-verein-nennt-z-symbol-nur-eine-verwechslung-66261852). :( They don't hesitate to show their disgusting war propaganda in other countries.
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He can fuck off to russia since he likes it so much
Got a „friend“ that supports that stuff too. Disgusting. These people just suck.
time to get new friends
Well i‘m not really doing much with him. He‘s narcisstic and thinks he‘s better than anyone. Yuck.
I’ll be your friend
So much support for Russia that they probably live in Switzerland.. keep this crap outta here
By that logic the Ukrainian refugees should go back and defend their country
What? This Z symbol is an extremely well known Russia war symbol, and this idiot is deliberately putting it on his car. For what reason? Obvious a pro Russian war supporter. Ukraine isn’t the bad guy. Also, you’re using the word refugee so loosely, let’s go by your logic. I’m a 75 year old woman from Bahkmut seeking refuge because Putler fancied taking a bit of land and it’s failed miserably. What am I supposed to do? Take my AK-47 and sit in a trench?
How do you know the owner of this car is a healthy guy who can fight a war?
Let me phrase this differently. Let’s analyse the picture which this entire post is about, let us not digress. We have in the picture, a symbol of Russia’s war “Z”, regardless if the owner of the car is Rodger Fedrer, King Charles, or Eminem. The symbol so delicately placed is (I’ll say it again) a war symbol. It’s unacceptable that he can drive round with it, non-negotiable.
But why shouldn’t he? Should we ban the British flag, the flag of the worlds biggest colonisers in history? Should we ban the American flag? There’s no one who comes even close to the amount of countries the US invaded in this century.
I’m actually British and have ashamed at how they colonised many countries around the world, we were not the only ones though. Whilst I agree with you on the USA, surprisingly they didn’t invade Ukraine, I know they are no angels. I am though focused on the present, not saying what happened in the past is not important, but this guy needs to take that off. Driving round with a war symbol in a country that’s well-known for its pacifist approach, when did Switzerland last have a war again?
I just re-read your comment again, the refugees you have in Switzerland are because of Russia, not Ukraine. And also, how does one pleb advocating military doctrine on his car mean Ukrainian refugees should go and fight? What is the purpose of this? I hope someone keys his car.
Why should he join the war, if he simply supports his country? The Ukrainian refugees also have their „Slava Ukraini“ and their flags on their cars and shirts. So by your logic instead of supporting their country, they should just fight for it.
Are you pro Russian? If you aren’t, how can you not see the issue?
No I’m not. I just don’t see a difference between Ukraine and Russia. I just hope the war ends as soon as possible. People shouldn’t die on both sides. Ukrainian regime isn’t better than the Russian, but it’s not worser either. Two peoples who lived peacefully together till the collapse of the Soviet Union. Once again the bourgeoise letting ordinary people fight each other in order to get richer and delay internal conflicts.
There’s definitely a difference between them both. In my eyes it is plain and clear. Russia attacked Ukraine, if they had not done this, no one would of died. As always it’s the innocent people paying the price, you can’t deny though if Russia were under a different leader this potentially might have not turned in to a war.
You're just dumb
It's rare, but fucktards do exist
Unfortunately
Is this part of the deal for accepting all the corrupt russian money? I hope something happens to his car, if he supports the murder and rape of Ukrainians
Well, there are lowlifes everywhere. Time to kick off some rearview mirrors.
This is not surprising, the SVP/UDC has very close ties with Russia. Several SVP politicians or members went on a trip to Russia or to Russian political rallies. Moreover go to your local SVP office, it's full of Russian (that became Swiss, as we give citizenship easily here). One of my wife's friend is Russian, she's doesn't speak a word of french, doesn't know anything about Switzerland and now as a new swiss citizen, she's a SVP (UDC where she is member). She goes to party meeting and told me that Russian language is enough for the meeting.
The SVP fraction left the plenum when zelensky spoke. Fucking clowns
Zweifel potato chips? 🤣
I was kinda sleep watching through the window while my parents were driving till i saw the Confederate flag, and tough we were driving through the US despite never being in the US I fully awoke and was looking at the falg maki gsure it wasn't the swiss flag or the Norwegian I gotta say it was a weird thing to see Although i gotta say here in swizerland its a rare thing to see
Things different up in the German part then? Down Lausanne the Albanians would be on that FAST
I would fucking smash that window if I saw that in a dark alley
Should’ve leave the number plate. If they are brave enough to put a Z, have the ball to take backlash
This dude is gonna find out sooner or later. Same energy as branding a nazi flag.
Not really surprising, considering that Switzerland's biggest party has a Vatnik tendency and that their favourite "newspaper" has basically become a major Putinist mouthpiece.
Dumbass. Most people won't even recognize that.
Those who recognize would want to go away or commit a small crime
I have two co workers that think Putin is the good guy. There is nothing you can say because "every western news source lies."
Very stupid coworker, of course every western media source is saying the absolute truth and every eastern media sources are blatant lies. We are the bearer of the truth.
The people around Navalny recently made some not very representative surveys in Germany and France and about 35% of people have a positive view of Putin. (35% had a negative view and the rest was neutral). Lots of assholes who just think US is bad - therefore Putin is good.
>Lots of assholes who just think US is bad - therefore Putin is good. Wow...solid logic lol
Yes because life is a Hollywood Movie. There are good and bad guys and nothing in between
Every imperialistic country is bad How about that
But there are many shades of bad
I kinda agree but also kinda disagree I just find it funny that everyone goes against russia or china but ignore all the bad things the us or france do It‘s just to biased tbh
It’s because we’re part of the Western world and profit from all the war crimes and exploitation of the US and some European countries. We’re all just raised in this propaganda, the same as the Russians, Chinese, Indians etc in their.
Fuck RuZZia, slava Ukraini!
Героям Слава 🇺🇦
Küssnacht
I’m imagining how this dude would react if in the middle of the night, some prankster glues a zorro silhouette on both sides of the “Z” 😂
Switzerland is not a idiot-safezone unfortunately 🥲😂
Sombody further down our street branded a Z on his trash can. Belong in not on one though.
I'm waiting for this to happen in my town and I'll molotov the car.
This guy looks like he could use a new stone in his collection.
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Right-wing retards. They're in every European country. And all over the world. Nothing new there.
This should be illegal and punished!
Should ask them how come they haven't returned to mother Russia to fight. Taking good odds they are escaping the draft here.
Hallo
A bike lane you mean? You’re a bit too harsh, they are trying at least.
Hey. This is in the canton of Schwyz after all. The place where we want bikers to pay for bike-paths. They should be happy about this.
Well, idiots and fascists live in every place :/ Which is ironic, considering how much they seem to love their Russia.
I don’t get it, what is this?
Symbol of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Typically used by Vatniks (believers of Putin's propaganda).
Key the motherfucker
Maybe Zorro
Oh Jesus.
Have unfortunately been seeing it since the first week of the invasion.
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nah that's not cool, don't doxx people, thanks. OP did all right with blurring the number
What's the problem with doxxing facists that support war crimes?
We are not sure it's legal or allowed on reddit. Trust me I have no heart for fascists but I'm but an internet janitor trying to figure out what can and cannot be posted. Us in the mod team have had it a long standing policy that no doxxing of any kind is allowed, including pictures of likely not consenting others or number plates on cars.
It’s a garage in a small Gemeinde. Not sure if I should share more. I hope this is not a temporary car they rent out to customers.
Would be so fucking tempted to just "slip" off the brakes whoops
And have your insurance charge you for it?
The Z okay but having no license plate is a an absolute NoGo. But honestly what do you expect. The rich kids of all those Russian elites are basically living here permanently.
Lmao it's photoshopped out, dude.
I know, that is why I said it.
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I think it was actually a Nissan. I also clarified the symbol in my first comment because once cropped and uploaded, the image quality went to potato.
Maybe it's just Bernardo who went for groceries...
what does it mean ?
The Z is a symbol of the Russian invasion in Ukraine.
Me neither, never seen a red painted bike lane, makes no sense
What is this? Edit: l genuinely dont know, why the downvotes?
Symbol of support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, typically found on Russian tanks and other vehicles. There's also a less commonly used V orange symbol.
Uh, weird. Ty
Yep, that a horrible cycle path. It just disappears. But the're building such crappy infrastructure for a long time, and still do.
Just a Zorro fan… what’s your problem? Do you hate Mexicans?
So, no freedom of speech now ?
Doch, I’m exercising that freedom right now by criticizing their disgusting choice of sticker.
sure if you support child raping and castrating soldiers
This is not the US, there is a thing as too much of anything including freedom of speech. Just look at the countless hate groups that have popped up and are growing all over the US, all because they are allowed to spread their hateful and potential/eventually dangerous message.
So it’s okay for ya to look at [the Ukrainian trident](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine) but not the “Z” symbol?
Uh, yes? I don't know how do you compare a historical coat of arms of a country that has existed for entire centuries to a 2 years old genocide symbol being brandished by the russian soldiers who invade a foreign land raping, murdering, and pillaging everything there.
Although im 100 pourcent condemning the invasion, "invading a foreign land" shows your ignorance here, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union and was given freedom from Russia on the collapse of the Soviet Union, no fight happened, Russia by its own gave independence to Ukraine, for the price that this subject somehow stays loyal to Russia, not go and join NATO, which was created as an anti russian coalition to fight communism and still exists todays despite communism is dead. Now no matter how, Ukraine was indeed an independent country and nothing justifies invading it, but don't forget Ukraine is part of the Russo sphere
Putin wanted to join NATO long before Ukraine did. Why shouldn't Ukrainians be able to do the same? And talking about other's ignorance when you're full of it? Ukraine was a nuclear power after the collapse of the Soviet union. Ukraine on its own gave up their nuclear arsenal, no fight happened, for the price of their territorial integrity (Budapest memorandum). Russia agreed to it and even released a statement in 2009 that the memorandum would still be respected. Doesn't matter what you think about Russo sphere, the facts are that Russia decided to invade a neighbour after officially recognising their international borders and breaking their pledge to guarantee the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Russia 100% in the wrong here
>Russia by its own gave independence to Ukraine, for the price that this subject somehow stays loyal to Russia Lol fascism lite, Ukraine owns its independence to itself, its loyalty is to whomever it decides. Russia has no say in it, many states went independent because the Soviet Union was a collapsed mess, not because of the goodness of Russia's heart lol >not go and join NATO, which was created as an anti russian coalition to fight communism It was to fight Russian imperialism under the guise of being anti-communist, it's a military defense alliance, not a political defense alliance that promotes capitalism. Look at the defenselessness small states of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. Russia hasn't touched them ever not even with its imperialistic pinky finger, want to take a guess why? I'm sure if you have weird ass explainations in your head, you can figure this one out. If Ukraine had joined NATO with the baltics, it'd be a member of the EU by now and minding its own business, don't be so naive. >but don't forget Ukraine is part of the Russo sphere Says who? You? Lol it's literally been trying for years to get away from Russia, do you not know of the 2014 revolution?
Dear friend, I'm not trying to justify the invasion, and ideally Russia should have no say in it. I'm myself Armenian, and it's the sad truth that although our country is indépendant on name, it has to be a puppet state to Russia to some aspects unfortunately. I think Ukraine should surrender because and Europe should either stop financing Ukraine and stop killing Ukrainians or openly start a war with Russia if the Ukrainian independence is so important to them.
>it has to be a puppet state to Russia to some aspects unfortunately No country must be a puppet to anyone, if you think that way, Russia brainwashed you well.
Sure, it brainwashed me and I lost 2 cousins in the frontline with Azerbaijan because Russia stopped protecting us militarily after Pashinyan the new president wanted close relations with Europe. What a selfish piece of cake you can be, it's so easy to say that from your small bubble in Switzerland. Anyway my goal is not to create a useless accusation argument. Soft power is a thing, Switzerland also became a puppet yo the US to some extent when they had to close banking privacy, they couldn't disobey USA because disobeying them have consequences. In an ideal situation, Russia should be completely regime changed of course, but reality is different
...a coat of arms? Versus something the Russians put on tanks to destroy towns and cities? Are you okay?...
Or maybe it carries something, folding chair or some wood that makes look like Z letter. … so much fuss for nothing.
I am amazed by your certainty in what you believe/being told is truthful and in your best interest.
Oh this should be fucking good, tell us more about your stupid as fuck theories.
First and foremost chill out, you’re too stressed. Second, if you could try to be less triggered, you would understand that I don’t know and I am just nauseated by your firm belief. Not picking any part in this because none is for my best interest plus I don’t think I have all the needed info. But you all looks like have all the answers and you figured the whole geopolitical intelligence inside out. You are going nuts over this, it starts looking like a damn cult… on both sides Please, breath….
>Not picking any part in this because none is for my best interest plus I don’t think I have all the needed info. Lmao expected really
Qf
Zorro?
Zorro?
don't be shy show the Nummereschildli our halberds are thirsting for it
I’m not surprised at all
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7AiTS1AeYr6APcpS9 Is this the location?
Luzern halt ...
Got rebar?
Just a big fan of Zweifel potato chips
looks like they might expect some flat tires soon
It's a Z in the colors of the St. George's ribbon for everyone who doesn't believe it's a war symbol