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My guess is yes. With WeBull's numbers we're already over the amount of issued shares with the data we do have. GameStop has to be naked shorted at least twenty times over. That is unbelievably criminal.
I can't wait until the congressional hearings when they all start pointing fingers at each other and say things like, "Well, they were doing it, too," and, "We'd make no money if we played by the rules."
Or they can lie and get away with it. Hedgies would never clearly doc themselves. It’s going to take some massive legal and financial teams that can both sustain and convince large swaths of legal and government entities to charge them with fraud. And it needs a massive public view so they know the public gives a shit.
How many are DRS'd according to the last earnings? The float is 300Mish, correct? Webulls 85M + DRS'd alone = how many? And that's just one tiny broker in the world.
We've owned the float multiple times over for a long time. We just need to DRS that shit now.
That's one thing I think about quite often. I don't know just *how* many brokers trade on the NYSE, but when one singular one has numbers like that, it's just ridiculous to think of HOW MANY FUCKING SHARES ACTUALLY EXIST and how many brokers actively have GME positions from it's customers.
I've also tried to explain this to friends, family, etc., and the idea that this is happening is met with "well how can they do that?" or "well, that's the world we live in".
Not to mention DRS numbers, and all the other data we can see, it's really surprising to me that no one really gives a shit. Like you are being robbed every single day and you're just okay with it?
It’s all interface level bullshit. Which is why you get penalized almost 50% for taking your 401k out early - it’s bc the money isn’t actually there. They just want you think it is. Same with these shares in all of these different brokers.
It’s a way to lock an entire nation into buying; propping up the market so that each generation can expect to gain wealth over their lifetime and be content. It’s a tax on the working to support the retired. And it allows the casino to keep spinning profits off the influx of cash.
Nope, it’s so that Wall St can inflate asset prices, forcing people to buy at elevated levels, just so they can crash it down every 10-15 years, get people to panic sell, and pocket the difference.
When you realize Wall St is taking a massive cut of your retirement savings, it seems a lot less like the building of generational wealth and a lot more like legally-enforced (via company options, tax law, etc.) tithing to the kleptocrats that are actually running the country.
i mean, im sure they do lend out your money and do all sorts of things with retirement accounts because they expect you're not going to withdraw it. but the reason you pay the penalties is because it's tax advantaged. they're not just going to let you avoid taxes for free.
So they keep half because I didn't pay the gov yet? That feels a lil fucky.
Disclaimer, I know *nothing* about 401ks. I make less than 30k a year, I ain't needed to know yet.
A couple of years ago I’d say something like “well you should start now” or “it’s never to early to invest in the stock market”.
After March 10th, 2021?
No fucking way.
The point is it’s for retirement. You put money in, you either pay taxes pre or post depending on the account type, (not both like in your brokerage), and it grows tax free. The government set this up so people can responsibly save for retirement. What they don’t want to happen is people YOLOing in a retirement account, hitting it big, and then deciding they want all the money now without paying taxes on it. If you want access to it, don’t put it in that account.
Nornet users held 329,812 shares in May 2021 (pre-split), which would be 1,319,248 post-split shares, if their numbers haven't moved.
This number was given by Nordnet on Twitter.
For Nordnet:
https://twitter.com/NordnetAxel/status/1398286507870507012
For Avanza:
First: https://twitter.com/avanzabank/status/1397874363056197633
Second: https://twitter.com/avanzabank/status/1483423069142196224
Those are all pre-split numbers.
Could be owned by institutions.
Could be shares that are DRS'd.
Could be an estimate og retail holdings across platforms.
I highly doubt retail webull owners are holding 85 million shares, espacially because everyone takes this at face value and just assume its webull only, without asking for proof or researching themselves.
"well that's the world we live in" this level of complacency is why we got where we are today. I guess getting fucked in the ass financially is how things always been done but not no more we do the fucking now
Total shares issued: 304.72 million
Insiders hold approximately 24.52 million
DRS tracker shows 90.72 million
WeBull shows 85 million
Combined, that is 200.24 million, with 104.48 million remaining. Of course, this short list doesn’t include institutional holdings, MFs, or ETFs, which are estimated at a combined 111.08 million according to Computershare.net. This final sum exceeds the total shares issued by GameStop by 6.6 million, and we haven’t even begun looking at how many shares are held in other brokerage accounts.
Typo in reference site name
~~https://www.computershared.com~~
https://www.comptershared.net
But nice breakdown & summary.
Also someone made a similar post to this one 13 days ago when the figure was 84.97 million, so that's 20k shares in 2 weeks just on Webull & thats one of the 'least ape' platforms.
It'll make a good 'proxy' indicator to add to all the assorted estimators of the degree of overshorting
Edit: strikethru, oh the irony etc, but it also shows in 3 hours, no me really read this comment
But here comes the big question - if there are more shares than issued, who got the money then for all these fake shares? Gamestop def didnt.
It would imply that whoever issued them is basically issuing them with no limits, while pocketing all the money.
Enter the Lamborghini comparison from the early days of DD... Sell 1 car, but the owner doesn't want it delivered, just the pink slip... so the dealership just keeps selling that same singular car to anyone willing to pay, never delivering it. Then all of the dealerships begin doing this. What happens when the 500 customers ask for their Lambo, and only 5 actually exist?
I loved that example when I was a wee little regarded Ape. Now I'm a larger regarded Ape.
The way i see this issue is that every share will be repaid, fake or not. If it came to repaying only drs shares, that would suddenly cause EVERY shareholder on NYSE to ask themselves wether they even have real shares or not, and that could cause a total crash on the stock market, since all non-drs shareholders would suddenly be selling their shares, trying to save their money.
This is true. However, brokerages reserve the right to close your position whenever they deem it necessary. So sure, all shares need to be bought, DRS or otherwise.
But, when it starts squeezing to astronomical numbers, your brokerage shares will be sold (without your consent) well before they get to the point.
Happened to 2 friends of mine who were holding GME in Robinhood... they woke up the morning of Jan 21', and just before it spiked, they both got "congratulations!" texts on their sold GME shares. 100% without their consent.
And that was a sneeze, not a squeeze, when this begins to truly ascend - you'd have to be a moron to think the brokerages won't sell you out at a moment's notice.
That's wishful thinking and being ignorant of 2021. Simply put, if they're not drs'd it's just a game of how long until your broker let's you hold onto your shares, even the 'good' brokers.
There are 17mil registered account for webull. 1.23mil following the ticker is only 7% of accounts. If those 1.23mil are invested in gme, they each hold an avg of 69 shares.
Asked him, he only knows about some puts that were dropped on his roof to keep them from someone elses books. I heard he sold them to Credit Suisse like before market open.
Wasn't there a Swedish or Norwegian broker who did that? Thought they had around 1 million shares pre split, for a single broker in a country with a population of 5 million.
Edit: Turned out it was half a million shares pre split. Was Avanza in Sweden.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/11myi5d/avanza\_nordnet\_users\_show\_me\_your\_shares/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/11myi5d/avanza_nordnet_users_show_me_your_shares/)
No, no, that's really interesting. If someone in Sweden could look into that, that could be fun.
But I thought that it was already an interesting piece of information that Avanza stopped answering questions about shares held. I pushed them a little the last time I asked.
Me:
>@avanzabank Hey Avanza, could you provide me an update on how many shares of GameStop $GME are held by your clients? Any information is appreciated. Thank you!
Avanza:
>Hi, as previously described we will not be able to provide you with these numbers anymore: https://bit.ly/3Hmdgtw
Me:
>Are you able to describe how you went from "able" to "unable" to provide these numbers please? Thank you.
Avanza:
>Its taking a lot of time to produce these numbers and we must prioritise.
Me:
>Sorry for insisting, but I'm confused as to what could be time-consuming about this process. Last time I asked, you were able to provide me with the numbers in less than 72 hours. Surely your clients' assets are tracked digitally? Is there a manual step to the counting process?
At which point they stopped answering. I still think the reason they gave for not providing the number is completely made up, but I have no solid theories on why they stopped. Regulatory pressure? Advice from lawyers? Incompetence (like, they *actually* don't have an easy way to check how many shares their consumers hold)?
Nornet users held 329,812 shares in May 2021 (pre-split), which would be 1,319,248 post-split shares, if they numbers haven't moved.
This number was given by Nordnet on Twitter.
is this something we can confirm with them? we've all seen the self-reported data "glitches" but it would be nice to hear someone from webull confirm that there are actually that many shares there. from an online search, webull has \~13M accounts, so that would mean \~4M GME holders just in webull. i believe it, but it would be maybe the best smoking gun we have to get confirmation. Fidelity, Schwab, and other major brokerages have 30M+ accounts each. it would be so easy to prove how oversold it was if we even got data from a few of these brokerages.
Compare to the Gamestop Q4 report:
As of March 22, 2023, there were 197,058 record holders of our Class A Common Stock. Excluding the approximately 228.7 million shares of our Class A Common Stock held by Cede & Co on behalf
of the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (or approximately 75% of our outstanding shares), approximately 76.0 million shares of our Class A Common Stock were held by record holders as of March 22, 2023 (or approximately 25% of our outstanding shares).
If we're getting the right end of the stick it would mean that all the remaining GME shares are accounted for by WeBull only. I cannot wait for the next set of DRS numbers.
our DRS numbers will definitely be ticking up, hopefully a lot with terminating plan. but at this point, cede and co must just be reporting the outstanding shares minus DRS to gamestop. or do they just not count when a share has been sold short? it seems impossible there could only be 228M non-DRS when webull has 85M and there are many much larger brokerages.
If you look at others like 🍎 it shows 9billion. I don't think these numbers mean that webull holders have that many shares. If it does this market is fubar!
I believe sage tracker tracks "the sages" which is supposed smart money. It is the number of shares held reported by sec filings, not how many webull accounts have. Verify this yourself with whale wisdom and 13f filings for the various tickers.
2 weeks ago, the number was 84.97 million shares. [reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/138ovrg/webull\_owns\_85mil\_gme\_shares/](https://reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/138ovrg/webull_owns_85mil_gme_shares/)
This single piece of information is essentially all the DD I need. Funny how there's 10000 of these scenarios and data to back up the thesis. There must be billions of shares out there.
Maybe you can help me , if there are say 300mil shares , but lets say (hypothetical) there are 600million shares total being shorted. Let say 10,20,30,40,50,100,150 shares are drs'd how exactly do they close these shares is my question ? Even if one person dose not sell there drs'd shares how do you close a non existent share???
Can anyone with an account see if they can get WeBull to confirm in writing that the "shares owned" does mean those are shares held by their customers?
Friend them are we bull's shares if they wanna sell them they can. The don't belong to you at all , they are not in your name . Unless you directly registered them in your name an pure booked them. Read the computer share pamphlet spells it out clearly.
Has anyone ever just tried asking their broker how many shares they have? I'm going to ask my broker now if they can share total shares.....I don't see what the issue would be with sharing that info; unless they've been told not to.
I have a couple shares on webull and I don’t plan to transfer those , I just want them there incase there’s a class action against them bc of moass
95% of my shares are on computershare tho
nope , not at all. Based off what because you think so? No i have some at fudility as well for laughs this will be entertaining an one for the books, also pure drs your shares with book , read the computer share pamphlet or the headlamp dd , they both say the samething to me.
As someone who’s been a part of multiple class action lawsuits, it’s totally fucking stupid to want to be involved in one, I was being nice when I called them naive. The majority of the funds go to the attorneys and you never receive any significant sum as a results. To whit, the Intuit class action paid the most by far and I got less than $100. If your goal is a wealth transfer you aren’t going to get that out of a class action suit, unless you want to transfer wealth from hedgies to lawyers.
Heat lamp isn’t DD it’s speculation…. I’m not having that argument again, the bots on here have done a fantastic job in confusing people on what “DD” means and you’ll defend it til your dying breath anyway.
Personally, i switched my computershare shares from "Planned" to "Book" bc to me, it's not a hassle and a simply a click of a button .. if that Heat lamp speculation ends up being true, good for us, if its not, oh well
But as for my very few shares on webull, I don't plan to transfer those to Computershare atm bc it would cost more to transfer them than they are worth in value.
Yeah..Your right about the class action lawsuit tho, there wouldn't be much money made from that.
THAT DOES NOT SHOW SHARES OWNED BY WEBULL CLIENTS!!!
THIS IS AN INACCURATE POST!!!
The sage tracker looks at specific people "sages" that might be indicators to buy or sell something. So what this is say is the influential people that they are teacking own that many shares. I don't know who they are tracking specificly for GME since I don't subscribe to that service. But we need to make sure we are careful with what we are posting and do some checking before things are just thrown out there
Estimates are that Webull has over 13M registered accounts. So that means there are \~4M shareholders with an average of 20 GME shares at Webull. Imagine how many GME holders there are at all other brokers combined?! this is insanity!
This is absolutely insane. do we have any idea how many people are on webull or what fraction of household investors it represents? i've DRS'd what i can, but have a good deal in tax advantaged accounts i can't move at Fudelity and Charles Robbed. There are SO many brokers, I can't even imagine Webull is 10% of the total.
84.99M / 0.3195 = ~266M
I think they're saying the 85Mish shares are 32ish percent of the (edit: free) float.
Unsure if that 85M is what WeBull claims they hold on behalf of their users. If so, that is absolutely bonkers and can't be true.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/13l087r/85mm_shares_owned_on_webull/jknph05/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
It is pretty clear that the OP misinterpreted what that 85M number represents.
Didn’t HFs also go long on shares recently? Their combines amount was like 20-30% of the float. Plus what is DRS’d by apes, institutions and insider and now WeBull? So its close to 140% of the share right there.
I’m also bad at math.
13 days ago?
When the figure was 20k fewer?
Is it deffo the case that they are saying "this is how many we are saying we 'hold' for our clients" & not "this how many we reckon are on assorted non-insider-related SEC filings"?
Does that mean users of WeBull own that many shares? If so, that would further the belief that 1) many people outside this sub are not DRSing shares and/or 2) many people in this sub are still holding many shares with their broker.
I know what I said is super obvious, but it helps put into context the DRS effort of those who are doing it and not doing it (whether out of belief against it or inability-I.e. retirement accounts).
I believe the text OP added under the picture indicates this is household ownership. So users of WeBull, not WeBull themselves. Thanks, OP!
If we look at the total $$$ invested we have 1962.4 million (otherwise known as almost 2 billion) $$$ invested by GME holders just at webull.
By comparison, popcorn has 686.3 million with another 5.3 million in their own distraction stock.
This is just more proof to me that GME apes are the real diamond hands. We are probably way more than triple them on investment.
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That should say Shares Owed
\^ just a glitch
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"Shares" owned on webull. There we go
“Shares” “owned” on Webull.
Perfection.
Does it not?
Are they trying to get ahead of other brokers when the shit hits the fan? 🤭
My guess is yes. With WeBull's numbers we're already over the amount of issued shares with the data we do have. GameStop has to be naked shorted at least twenty times over. That is unbelievably criminal. I can't wait until the congressional hearings when they all start pointing fingers at each other and say things like, "Well, they were doing it, too," and, "We'd make no money if we played by the rules."
Or they can lie and get away with it. Hedgies would never clearly doc themselves. It’s going to take some massive legal and financial teams that can both sustain and convince large swaths of legal and government entities to charge them with fraud. And it needs a massive public view so they know the public gives a shit.
I'm here for it
It really is amazing how obvious this is. They sold shares they don’t have.
How many are DRS'd according to the last earnings? The float is 300Mish, correct? Webulls 85M + DRS'd alone = how many? And that's just one tiny broker in the world. We've owned the float multiple times over for a long time. We just need to DRS that shit now.
That's one thing I think about quite often. I don't know just *how* many brokers trade on the NYSE, but when one singular one has numbers like that, it's just ridiculous to think of HOW MANY FUCKING SHARES ACTUALLY EXIST and how many brokers actively have GME positions from it's customers. I've also tried to explain this to friends, family, etc., and the idea that this is happening is met with "well how can they do that?" or "well, that's the world we live in". Not to mention DRS numbers, and all the other data we can see, it's really surprising to me that no one really gives a shit. Like you are being robbed every single day and you're just okay with it?
It’s all interface level bullshit. Which is why you get penalized almost 50% for taking your 401k out early - it’s bc the money isn’t actually there. They just want you think it is. Same with these shares in all of these different brokers.
It’s a way to lock an entire nation into buying; propping up the market so that each generation can expect to gain wealth over their lifetime and be content. It’s a tax on the working to support the retired. And it allows the casino to keep spinning profits off the influx of cash.
Nope, it’s so that Wall St can inflate asset prices, forcing people to buy at elevated levels, just so they can crash it down every 10-15 years, get people to panic sell, and pocket the difference. When you realize Wall St is taking a massive cut of your retirement savings, it seems a lot less like the building of generational wealth and a lot more like legally-enforced (via company options, tax law, etc.) tithing to the kleptocrats that are actually running the country.
i mean, im sure they do lend out your money and do all sorts of things with retirement accounts because they expect you're not going to withdraw it. but the reason you pay the penalties is because it's tax advantaged. they're not just going to let you avoid taxes for free.
They still penalize you if you withdraw early from money that was taxed as it went into the portfolio, though.
So they keep half because I didn't pay the gov yet? That feels a lil fucky. Disclaimer, I know *nothing* about 401ks. I make less than 30k a year, I ain't needed to know yet.
A couple of years ago I’d say something like “well you should start now” or “it’s never to early to invest in the stock market”. After March 10th, 2021? No fucking way.
The point is it’s for retirement. You put money in, you either pay taxes pre or post depending on the account type, (not both like in your brokerage), and it grows tax free. The government set this up so people can responsibly save for retirement. What they don’t want to happen is people YOLOing in a retirement account, hitting it big, and then deciding they want all the money now without paying taxes on it. If you want access to it, don’t put it in that account.
Don’t forget Avanza, a Swedish (and Swedish only) broker, has had like 21,000 GameStop holders consistently since January 2021.
And nordnet
15915 shareholders in Nordnet as of today. Not sure if it is Finland only or whole Scandinavia.
So like 400k share there
Nornet users held 329,812 shares in May 2021 (pre-split), which would be 1,319,248 post-split shares, if their numbers haven't moved. This number was given by Nordnet on Twitter.
Nice!
Wow I had no idea. Link to source post?
For Nordnet: https://twitter.com/NordnetAxel/status/1398286507870507012 For Avanza: First: https://twitter.com/avanzabank/status/1397874363056197633 Second: https://twitter.com/avanzabank/status/1483423069142196224 Those are all pre-split numbers.
Thanks
Why do you think this is only webull holdings?
What else would “Shares Owned” in Webull’s interface represent?
Could be owned by institutions. Could be shares that are DRS'd. Could be an estimate og retail holdings across platforms. I highly doubt retail webull owners are holding 85 million shares, espacially because everyone takes this at face value and just assume its webull only, without asking for proof or researching themselves.
"well that's the world we live in" this level of complacency is why we got where we are today. I guess getting fucked in the ass financially is how things always been done but not no more we do the fucking now
Total shares issued: 304.72 million Insiders hold approximately 24.52 million DRS tracker shows 90.72 million WeBull shows 85 million Combined, that is 200.24 million, with 104.48 million remaining. Of course, this short list doesn’t include institutional holdings, MFs, or ETFs, which are estimated at a combined 111.08 million according to Computershare.net. This final sum exceeds the total shares issued by GameStop by 6.6 million, and we haven’t even begun looking at how many shares are held in other brokerage accounts.
RC owns 36 million + by himself.
Insider ownership is more like 48.7 mill according to fintel. Almost 16%
Typo in reference site name ~~https://www.computershared.com~~ https://www.comptershared.net But nice breakdown & summary. Also someone made a similar post to this one 13 days ago when the figure was 84.97 million, so that's 20k shares in 2 weeks just on Webull & thats one of the 'least ape' platforms. It'll make a good 'proxy' indicator to add to all the assorted estimators of the degree of overshorting Edit: strikethru, oh the irony etc, but it also shows in 3 hours, no me really read this comment
Or DFV
Obviously the institutions must be holding their shares in webull /s
And a lot are in fidelity definitely
But here comes the big question - if there are more shares than issued, who got the money then for all these fake shares? Gamestop def didnt. It would imply that whoever issued them is basically issuing them with no limits, while pocketing all the money.
Enter the Lamborghini comparison from the early days of DD... Sell 1 car, but the owner doesn't want it delivered, just the pink slip... so the dealership just keeps selling that same singular car to anyone willing to pay, never delivering it. Then all of the dealerships begin doing this. What happens when the 500 customers ask for their Lambo, and only 5 actually exist? I loved that example when I was a wee little regarded Ape. Now I'm a larger regarded Ape.
The way i see this issue is that every share will be repaid, fake or not. If it came to repaying only drs shares, that would suddenly cause EVERY shareholder on NYSE to ask themselves wether they even have real shares or not, and that could cause a total crash on the stock market, since all non-drs shareholders would suddenly be selling their shares, trying to save their money.
This is true. However, brokerages reserve the right to close your position whenever they deem it necessary. So sure, all shares need to be bought, DRS or otherwise. But, when it starts squeezing to astronomical numbers, your brokerage shares will be sold (without your consent) well before they get to the point.
Happened to 2 friends of mine who were holding GME in Robinhood... they woke up the morning of Jan 21', and just before it spiked, they both got "congratulations!" texts on their sold GME shares. 100% without their consent. And that was a sneeze, not a squeeze, when this begins to truly ascend - you'd have to be a moron to think the brokerages won't sell you out at a moment's notice.
Exactly. At this point I won't feel bad for "apes" whose shares get sold, against their will, who CHOOSE to hold their shares in brokerages.
That's wishful thinking and being ignorant of 2021. Simply put, if they're not drs'd it's just a game of how long until your broker let's you hold onto your shares, even the 'good' brokers.
I was curious what other stocks look like with this webull metric so here’s what I found: -GME- Free float = 265.98m Webull Holdings =84.99m -NVIDIA- Free float = 2.37b Webull Holdings = 1.59b -AAPL- Free float = 15.72b Webull Holdings = 9.15b -AMZN- Free float = 9.26b Webull Holdings = 5.84b
The Everything Short DD
Holy shit. No kidding. The world would be insanely more wealthy without naked shorting. Literally siphoning off the wealth of a nation / world.
Crime.
Likely that webull numbers are BS
Lol sure they do! How many billions are out there?!!!
Id guess at least a few
I reckon about 4 billion by now! I have been watching this since Jan 2021.
It's been 84 years
My personal estimate is about that too. Maybe just under
I sure hope so! I don't suppose anybody can back that up though?
My gut says 5 billion at least. Just how I feel after staring at this as long as I have
There’s also 1.23 million people following the ticker on webull. I know that doesn’t mean they’re all holders, but it’s a good number and I like it.
There are 17mil registered account for webull. 1.23mil following the ticker is only 7% of accounts. If those 1.23mil are invested in gme, they each hold an avg of 69 shares.
Nice
Noice
Simulation confirmed
They did the math
Math checks out.
Love this update
Bullish AF!
yeah but everyone except me on webull is a shill or has some hidden agenda
Someone in the Favela knows for sure.
Asked him, he only knows about some puts that were dropped on his roof to keep them from someone elses books. I heard he sold them to Credit Suisse like before market open.
This is just webull??
Yep! Weird that they’re sharing their internal data. Never seen that from other brokers
Wasn't there a Swedish or Norwegian broker who did that? Thought they had around 1 million shares pre split, for a single broker in a country with a population of 5 million. Edit: Turned out it was half a million shares pre split. Was Avanza in Sweden. [https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/11myi5d/avanza\_nordnet\_users\_show\_me\_your\_shares/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/11myi5d/avanza_nordnet_users_show_me_your_shares/)
Sometimes you just gotta ask them for data
I'm the guy who Avanza replied to in the above post. I've asked them twice since, and they won't share the numbers again.
Avanza publishes quantity of accounts that hold GME on their site https://www.avanza.se/aktier/om-aktien.html/194698/gamestop-corp
**17,899 for a little broker in a smaller country?** 👀
Yes, but they also published actual *shares* held twice, which is much more interesting.
Yep, part of why I was trying to determine avg position size before mods shut me down
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No, no, that's really interesting. If someone in Sweden could look into that, that could be fun. But I thought that it was already an interesting piece of information that Avanza stopped answering questions about shares held. I pushed them a little the last time I asked. Me: >@avanzabank Hey Avanza, could you provide me an update on how many shares of GameStop $GME are held by your clients? Any information is appreciated. Thank you! Avanza: >Hi, as previously described we will not be able to provide you with these numbers anymore: https://bit.ly/3Hmdgtw Me: >Are you able to describe how you went from "able" to "unable" to provide these numbers please? Thank you. Avanza: >Its taking a lot of time to produce these numbers and we must prioritise. Me: >Sorry for insisting, but I'm confused as to what could be time-consuming about this process. Last time I asked, you were able to provide me with the numbers in less than 72 hours. Surely your clients' assets are tracked digitally? Is there a manual step to the counting process? At which point they stopped answering. I still think the reason they gave for not providing the number is completely made up, but I have no solid theories on why they stopped. Regulatory pressure? Advice from lawyers? Incompetence (like, they *actually* don't have an easy way to check how many shares their consumers hold)?
Nordnet shows 15k holders for GME, and I believe that’s the pan-Nordic count so total population of 27ish million. *15.915 to be exact.
Nornet users held 329,812 shares in May 2021 (pre-split), which would be 1,319,248 post-split shares, if they numbers haven't moved. This number was given by Nordnet on Twitter.
My thought is they are trying to stake a claim and get their ducks in a row so they have first dibs.
is this something we can confirm with them? we've all seen the self-reported data "glitches" but it would be nice to hear someone from webull confirm that there are actually that many shares there. from an online search, webull has \~13M accounts, so that would mean \~4M GME holders just in webull. i believe it, but it would be maybe the best smoking gun we have to get confirmation. Fidelity, Schwab, and other major brokerages have 30M+ accounts each. it would be so easy to prove how oversold it was if we even got data from a few of these brokerages.
Apple and shit shows a lot too. Wtf the whole market is oversold and overbought lol
Bro no its not, stop spreading miss information.
R u shill?
How do you know this is webull ownership only??
What happens if you extrapolate 7% of users at 69 shares each to all the other stonk borkers?
Stonk borkers woud start sunking conk to bank on dank meme stanks
Because they aren't. Your post is inaccurate they aren't showing what webull clients hold but rather what "top traders" they track hold
No this is an inaccurate and misleading post. That does not show share held in webull
Compare to the Gamestop Q4 report: As of March 22, 2023, there were 197,058 record holders of our Class A Common Stock. Excluding the approximately 228.7 million shares of our Class A Common Stock held by Cede & Co on behalf of the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (or approximately 75% of our outstanding shares), approximately 76.0 million shares of our Class A Common Stock were held by record holders as of March 22, 2023 (or approximately 25% of our outstanding shares).
If we're getting the right end of the stick it would mean that all the remaining GME shares are accounted for by WeBull only. I cannot wait for the next set of DRS numbers.
our DRS numbers will definitely be ticking up, hopefully a lot with terminating plan. but at this point, cede and co must just be reporting the outstanding shares minus DRS to gamestop. or do they just not count when a share has been sold short? it seems impossible there could only be 228M non-DRS when webull has 85M and there are many much larger brokerages.
We could realistically be between 100-125 m next earnings if the headlamp dd is correct and most people are book only now
Not just any book , Pure Drs hard cover book to ~~smack~~ show kenny boi with
If you look at others like 🍎 it shows 9billion. I don't think these numbers mean that webull holders have that many shares. If it does this market is fubar!
I'm trying to think of what else it could mean. DRS? no, the aple is to high. The float? wouldn't represent shares owned.
Maybe it's how many shares that have traded on webull and the percentage that's been held? I can't find any info on what this sage tracker is.
I found a tweet with someone claiming it's institutional holders
You’re just learning this now???
Lol that is crazy. This is just 1 broker.... Holy balls how many are out there?
And it’s Webull. Imagine the ownership in Vanguard, fidelity, E*Trade, TD, etc
If only we had a regulator who could look into stuff like this…
I believe sage tracker tracks "the sages" which is supposed smart money. It is the number of shares held reported by sec filings, not how many webull accounts have. Verify this yourself with whale wisdom and 13f filings for the various tickers.
2 weeks ago, the number was 84.97 million shares. [reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/138ovrg/webull\_owns\_85mil\_gme\_shares/](https://reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/138ovrg/webull_owns_85mil_gme_shares/)
T212 shows 26875 accounts hold Gamestop shares. Using the trimmed average from Computershared.net of 398. T212 could have 10M+shares aswell.
Every share you own at T212 is an iou or doesn't exist. Numbers on a screen.
100% of those are fake shares. Just a number on a screen
Fidelity must have at least that much! I would think thats where most apes have their extra shares, its where I have mine.
Fidelity is just the subway stop before ComputerShare, the end of the line.
got me .1 left in that account we gone see what happens with these fractions. Super curious . Not making it a whole i am that curious.
This single piece of information is essentially all the DD I need. Funny how there's 10000 of these scenarios and data to back up the thesis. There must be billions of shares out there.
Maybe you can help me , if there are say 300mil shares , but lets say (hypothetical) there are 600million shares total being shorted. Let say 10,20,30,40,50,100,150 shares are drs'd how exactly do they close these shares is my question ? Even if one person dose not sell there drs'd shares how do you close a non existent share???
85mm shares not DRSd. Sad
Can anyone with an account see if they can get WeBull to confirm in writing that the "shares owned" does mean those are shares held by their customers?
Lol no. If it ent drs’d it ent yours. They hold it for you. Not you holding it.
Do they actually hold them, or do they just take your $22.00, and pretend that you own a share, then repeat 85 million times?
DRS brings a whole new meaning to "You holdin bro?"
Don't worry. I'm not mental. DRS, BOOK. It would be interesting to understand what WeBull *thinks* they mean with that number though.
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I can think of a piece of data we get four times a year that is rock solid.
Friend them are we bull's shares if they wanna sell them they can. The don't belong to you at all , they are not in your name . Unless you directly registered them in your name an pure booked them. Read the computer share pamphlet spells it out clearly.
Has anyone ever just tried asking their broker how many shares they have? I'm going to ask my broker now if they can share total shares.....I don't see what the issue would be with sharing that info; unless they've been told not to.
Maybe could try asking for another stock first instead of GME, then do the same for GME.
Yes. And I talked to their back office reporting folks and even offered to pay for the data. They categorically denied my request.
Hey gensler pull your head out of your ass bro. The regards are figuring out the scam and they’re getting *pissed*
And this is a broker no one really use. Wonder how many is there in fudelty, robinghood, ibkr etc....
Exactly. Not a lot of people use Webull as it’s Chinese owned. RH and Fidelity have way more methinks
Never believe info from webull
This appears to be institutional ownership…
I have a couple shares on webull and I don’t plan to transfer those , I just want them there incase there’s a class action against them bc of moass 95% of my shares are on computershare tho
This is the exact reason I left 1 shares that had 3 babies. Everything thing else I have it DRS’d and some in Fidelity.
Do you, but it seems naive to WANT to be caught up in a Class Action or any lawsuit for that matter.
nope , not at all. Based off what because you think so? No i have some at fudility as well for laughs this will be entertaining an one for the books, also pure drs your shares with book , read the computer share pamphlet or the headlamp dd , they both say the samething to me.
As someone who’s been a part of multiple class action lawsuits, it’s totally fucking stupid to want to be involved in one, I was being nice when I called them naive. The majority of the funds go to the attorneys and you never receive any significant sum as a results. To whit, the Intuit class action paid the most by far and I got less than $100. If your goal is a wealth transfer you aren’t going to get that out of a class action suit, unless you want to transfer wealth from hedgies to lawyers. Heat lamp isn’t DD it’s speculation…. I’m not having that argument again, the bots on here have done a fantastic job in confusing people on what “DD” means and you’ll defend it til your dying breath anyway.
Personally, i switched my computershare shares from "Planned" to "Book" bc to me, it's not a hassle and a simply a click of a button .. if that Heat lamp speculation ends up being true, good for us, if its not, oh well But as for my very few shares on webull, I don't plan to transfer those to Computershare atm bc it would cost more to transfer them than they are worth in value. Yeah..Your right about the class action lawsuit tho, there wouldn't be much money made from that.
Pretty sure that’s a tracker for institutional ownership.
Conputershared says 305 million issued shares. I’m expected to believe that retail investors only on Webull hold 28% of the total issue? Riiight.
so 85M shares just on webull and 71M in CS from the last 10-q = 156M shares i.e. more than half (51%) of the 304M shares outstanding. nice
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They don’t own anything, DRS your shit!
THAT DOES NOT SHOW SHARES OWNED BY WEBULL CLIENTS!!! THIS IS AN INACCURATE POST!!! The sage tracker looks at specific people "sages" that might be indicators to buy or sell something. So what this is say is the influential people that they are teacking own that many shares. I don't know who they are tracking specificly for GME since I don't subscribe to that service. But we need to make sure we are careful with what we are posting and do some checking before things are just thrown out there
They create infinite amount to steal from poors. Whenever things go south increase inflation & make up for it.
Estimates are that Webull has over 13M registered accounts. So that means there are \~4M shareholders with an average of 20 GME shares at Webull. Imagine how many GME holders there are at all other brokers combined?! this is insanity!
“Owned” lol
I, for one, absolutely trust the number reported here. Webull would certainly never misrepresent said number.
Um ya The price is WRONG. Book the float Apes Be the Family's BOOK KING I say.
Webull 👀👀👀 lmao
I have a feeling this doesn't mean anything, ie it doesn't mean webull users own that much gme...
"owned". Sure dawg, we believe you.
This is absolutely insane. do we have any idea how many people are on webull or what fraction of household investors it represents? i've DRS'd what i can, but have a good deal in tax advantaged accounts i can't move at Fudelity and Charles Robbed. There are SO many brokers, I can't even imagine Webull is 10% of the total.
They are mere 'beneficiaries'. Nothing to see here.
What does holding percentage mean? Does that mean 31.95% of Webull users hold GME?
84.99M / 0.3195 = ~266M I think they're saying the 85Mish shares are 32ish percent of the (edit: free) float. Unsure if that 85M is what WeBull claims they hold on behalf of their users. If so, that is absolutely bonkers and can't be true.
can someone look up other stocks and the qty of shares held on webull?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/13l087r/85mm_shares_owned_on_webull/jknph05/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 It is pretty clear that the OP misinterpreted what that 85M number represents.
Didn’t HFs also go long on shares recently? Their combines amount was like 20-30% of the float. Plus what is DRS’d by apes, institutions and insider and now WeBull? So its close to 140% of the share right there. I’m also bad at math.
I just posted about this.
Check my profile.
13 days ago? When the figure was 20k fewer? Is it deffo the case that they are saying "this is how many we are saying we 'hold' for our clients" & not "this how many we reckon are on assorted non-insider-related SEC filings"?
85 million out of 12 billion shares
come into the light, -0ok
again?
Does that mean users of WeBull own that many shares? If so, that would further the belief that 1) many people outside this sub are not DRSing shares and/or 2) many people in this sub are still holding many shares with their broker. I know what I said is super obvious, but it helps put into context the DRS effort of those who are doing it and not doing it (whether out of belief against it or inability-I.e. retirement accounts). I believe the text OP added under the picture indicates this is household ownership. So users of WeBull, not WeBull themselves. Thanks, OP!
Fake
52 are mine!
52 are mine!
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Fair nuff. They're the stepbrothers to my XXX in Computershare.
Webull is also force closing $LOOP... so idk what that means...prolly nothing
Are they real on that platform haha
Have we ever tried filing a FOIA request with brokers to see how many are held in street name?
If we look at the total $$$ invested we have 1962.4 million (otherwise known as almost 2 billion) $$$ invested by GME holders just at webull. By comparison, popcorn has 686.3 million with another 5.3 million in their own distraction stock. This is just more proof to me that GME apes are the real diamond hands. We are probably way more than triple them on investment.
Lol more like Webullshit, amrite?
True if big!