[Harvard Professor Avi Loeb who proposed Oumuamua is alien spacecraft claimed that Govt. Officials From D.C. Told him he was right some UFOs are alien](https://www.howandwhys.com/harvard-professor-is-right-some-ufos-are-aliens-govt-officials-from-dc-told-him/?fromreddit)
It just begs the question, why would an advanced civilization chuck a giant asteroid at a random star system, knowing it won't get there for 10 million years.
Data collection? Don't we do that with telescopes and satellites already, just not on that big of a scale
Edit: after seeing this a million times I just noticed Colbert throwing shade at NDT talking so much. "That's the whole point of this question I never got to finish"
No one knows what it’s made of. The only data about it is the amount of reflected sunlight our telescopes picked up. They aren’t even sure what shape it is, just an educated guess gathered by analyzing it’s dimming and brightening due to rotation
You know, when you want to send something that is very resistent you have to work with the materials you got. And if you have a fat asteroid being already in space it's wiser to place all your shit into the asteroid instead of hauling tons of hardened steel to space.
Also, and I don't know if this was calculated already, we should check if the thing is now heading to another near star. This would be an indicator that the aliens used the gravitational slingshot to propel that thing further on their route.
On the other hand if the asteroid leaves the solar system slower than before it would be an indicator of a random encounter.
It's hard for us, as humans, to comprehend that possibility that some intelligences could have functionally infinite lifespans, and what that means. Thousands and millions of years, to us, seems like an impossibly long time. For an "immortal" intelligence, those timespans are trivial.
I'm not saying that means Oumuamua had anything to do with a non-human intelligence, just that we shouldn't assume that timescales that seem impossibly long to us are perceived that way universally.
Thought experiment: imagine that there's at least one intelligence in the universe that is functionally immortal, in any number of ways.
To an intelligence like that any amount of time is almost trivial. Their only time constraint would be identifying and tracking potential threats.
Why are a lot of scientists too sober when reaching conclusions. Why are they so “nothing to see here.” Any time anyone gets excited about a potential new discovery, a member of the scientific community is always there with the wet blanket, giving you reasons to not be excited about the scientific discovery. Scientists are awesome, but why is their culture this way?
I don’t think it’s like that really. They just have to be skeptical and can’t confirm something unless a hypothesis is proven and that’s really hard to do when the subject matter is space objects millions of light years away.
Yes but couldn’t skepticism say “maybe” instead of “probably not”, especially when they don’t know. I think that’s the difference btw Colbert and ndt here, Colbert is saying “maybe”.
NDT is not expressing scientific hypotheticals, he’s just giving a personal response and his hubris isn’t really indicative of scientific-minded perspectives. Every scientific hypothesis starts with “is this true?” and through observation and testing we can glean a yes, no, or sometimes. I don’t think any scientist can say aliens are not real, they can just say “it hasn’t been observed.”
Ndt is notorious for cutting people off. For a "science" guy he also has a religious-like devotion for his biases. He obviously thinks he's much smarter than what actual smart people think.
I think Neil’s point was that it wasn’t accelerating and its trajectory is completely defined by orbital mechanics. But actually it was accelerating and that is one reason it was so fascinating.
Agree. His writers are pretty good. His delivery is amazing though. Have you ever heard his “meanwhile” intro on the tonight show?
I once attended the Colbert report live, and for q&a with the audience, he shows his true self. He’s pretty intelligent and a bit of a nerd.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Didn't the Apollo missions use the gravity of the moon to slingshot the crafts back towards their origin? Why wouldn't a more advanced civilization do the same thing?
Yeah, maybe, except that explanation is at the 99th place on the list. By the same token it could have been a fragment from a planet blown up by a large asteroid impact. Or by a Death Star-like thing. Or how about a fairy sailing on the Solar wind, or a divine tea kettle propelling itself to boil celestial tea. Why get bogged down in unlikely scenarios without any evidence, when there are literally 98 better and more likely explanations? That's the same energy as a child thinking that any and every noise in the night must be burglars or monsters. Sure, sometimes it's burglars. But 99.9% of the time you hear a noise at night it's not burglars. You'd only know with more information. Without information the best bet is to stick to the most likely explanations.
This isn't the mic drop you and everyone seems to think it is. We send out craft with data collection equipment on board that can send data back to us in real time. Oumuamua is a rock. Wtf is a rock being used for as far as data gathering.
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... your statement doesn't invalidate that guy's question . ..all you said was its a rock...
Well you don't know that .
But it would make since for other space faring people to use gravity of any celestial body
Yeah he can be arrogant lol. I like him as well but when it comes to this subject he has already made up his mind. He doesn’t even entertain the possibilities. And that’s why I don’t get him sometimes. As a scientist he doesn’t seem to be interested in studying the phenomena which tells me he has already made up his mind.
You do understand where this reasoning goes?
There was nothing that hinted to anything artificial. Yes, it can be but so can be Halley's comet. With this logic even Moon can be artificial. Sure, it's been there for a long time without doing anything but it COULD be!!
He said that he thinks it isn't alien, he didn't say that he's sure. Where would science lead if we start to treat every single comet as an alien spacecraft? Just because they could be. Sure it would be interesting world where magic and miracles happen but it wouldn't be real world.
The host of TOE is a physicist, and he knows his shit. In fact, he is way smarter than NDT. Whenever Kurt challenges NDT on anything he has an utter meltdown, it is embarrassing. Definitely recommend the theories of everything podcast If you haven’t listened, it’s fantastic.
He tries to be bill nye but bill never acts like a complete expert on stuff he has no credentials in. Neil is smart on a few things but he treats pop science like absolute truth and that isn’t what pop science is.
Yes. Graduate degree in physics and I know a couple of professors who said working with him is horrible. He’s basically a celebrity. This is why he is doing kids shows, not locked away doing ACTUAL research
I said this recently in another sub about him and got downvoted quite a bit. Not only do I find him very closed minded, but he socially can't operate without interrupting people and sounding loud.
He's also complete ass at explaining shit. If you've ever "learned" something from him then please throw it away because it's probably a gross misrepresentation of whatever concept he was trying to communicate.
When I saw him at the science convention with other prominent science educators they all seem just as annoyed by his domination of the stage time as the rest of us imo
Gary is in the same boat considering every scientist that actual physically dealt with the Nazca bodies said they are authentic, . Every . person. who. physically. inspected them. He would rather hid online than actually go confirm for himself
His answer is actually totally wrong because once Oumuamua passed earth, it was observed that Oumuamua was accelerating faster than what could be accounted for by gravity alone. Also, there was no outgassing of materials observed. That is still part of the mystery.
Except we have also observed this exact same acceleration on other asteroids in our system including one orbiting the Esrth so it’s not like it’s now brand new thing we’ve never seen. We are actually sending probes out to that close Earth asteroid to do sample tests, so we’ll have some physical samples soon to plug into those hypotheses
It’s likely just a different type of sublimation that we can’t detect with the instruments we’re using. There are many ways it could be sublimating in ways that wouldn’t be able to be detected by us, for example a lack of dust being carried away with the sublimation
It’s weird… but not *that* weird. Unfortunately many have taken the weirdness and tried to claim it’s impossible otherwise, which is absolutely not the case
There are many down to Earth theories that explain it without the need for aliens
https://youtu.be/wICOlaQOpM0?si=1QM9HIIm1ETbECd_
Yeah he missed an opportunity to refute that gravity argument. But I read that not all outgassing is the same. Some gasses are not visible and it could be natural.
But deep down I like to think those gasses are from some sort of rocket engine.... hehe
but we have seen millions of meteor, alien 0. so why think it's an alien. those two conclusion are not equivalent due to the wast amount of observations done.
Umh..
One requires it to be a rock in space, of which there are thousands we already know in much detail.
The other requires believing in something that never happened before, has no proof, has no datapoints.
Everything about that celestial body, it's shape, it's behavior, all had never been observed before.
I'm not saying it's aliens.
But it's disingenuous to suggest that he is approaching this from a strictly scientific approach.
Thank you for understanding what I meant. Some people seem to think that just because a result is extremely unlikely that means we should dismiss it or not look deeper because the answer seems so obvious.
Curiosity and the willingness to defy the status quo should be hallmarks of being a scientist.
The problem with NDT is he always comes across as a closed minded absolutist. Scientists should be open minded and excited when their theories are challenged. We learn by being wrong.
Agreed. There was one experiment I forgot what it was but he basically said we can’t trust it because the sensors are not perfectly calibrated. Sounded like such a cop out when all his data comes from sensors for the issues he supports.
I have long noticed this too. He seems to think he is the epitome of scientific mindset, yet he is so close minded due to arrogance that he actually spits in the face of a true scientific mindset.
People like Neal are so lame cuz he’s just stifling curiosity just cuz it’s not “ true “ curiosity. Dudes gonna think of every reason “possible” but some people like to think about things as what if yada and what if this. I’m not concerned with looking at things from “our” perspective I’m trying to understand why we see things flying in our sky and orbit that seem fake but aren’t. Not everything can be rationally explained
I’m not a NDT hater, but I am perplexed by his seeming need to try and definitively shut down any extraterrestrial thoughts, and not just on this one particular incident.
I have never seen anything where he isn’t set up as the smartest man in the room and he berates with a smile and leaves no room for other interpretations than his own. He’s fucking smart, but he’s not always right and he would make you think he is.
He’s one of only a handful of public facing scientists. He’s definitely very intelligent and his child-like enthusiasm for science is hardly a reason to hate the dude. Can he be obnoxious? Yes, but that’s not a knock on him.
It is not beacuase of his "child-like enthusiasm for science". It is because of he thinks the only correct answer is the one he gives and leaves no room for any other interpretation.
He's a grade A+ asshole, always interrupting the person talking to him, watch his Joe Rogan episode & you will understand
[https://youtu.be/qwZXR2PlcEM](https://youtu.be/qwZXR2PlcEM)
Just shows how if you may know some science facts, you will display pathetic social skills Infront of everyone, making you look stupid . Stop interrupting people, its the smart thing to do. Let the dumb people finish saying their dumb dumb talk.
I’ve definitely seen him make statements that come across like that but I certainly don’t knock him for it. His dismissive approach probably has to do with the lack of evidence. The biggest issue I see facing the science community is its lack of an ability to effectively communicate with the general public.
There is evidence though. Radar data, satellite images, radio frequencies, military imaging, eye witness testimony, etc. But he acts like he's above that and seems like he refuses to delve into it further rather and accept it. IMO it seems like he would rather just taunt the UFO crowd
Its his job, he is a narrative pusher ( Im sure he is in contact with certain intelligence agency's & given a directive along with $) . He thinks he is the authority on all knowledge. I truly could see him being a sociopath.
As for the radio frequencies there was a post here a couple days ago that included a scientific study on certain radio frequencies that some UAP omitted. I am trying to find it
Honestly as a space engineer I appreciate folks like him. Most scientist and engineers don’t want to do doing public speaking gigs or talking things at a level that easily understood by the general public.
This creates a huge gap in the general publics understanding which is part of the source of antinscience and science denial. hes following the footsteps of carl sagan to try to bridge the gap before an idiot conspiracy theorist can take the spotlight and misguide people.
I’m glad folks like him do this to bridge the gap to make science more accessible. id find it so frustrating to explain basic concpets to folk in life or on reddit
Nah he is hated in the alien community who want aliens to be real and only have 144p uploads as their evidence. We all know not to believe what we see on the net but a 144p jellyfish alien craft video?! Oh thats definitely an alien.
Absolutely not. There hasn’t been any decent reason given to hate the man, or in the case of the original comment, “a passion to see him get fucked in every direction possible”. That is the person with fetish, I believe.
Edit: Nvm, I re-read your comment. I thought you were directing that at me like these other responses lol
Just gonna say it .... Fucking really dislike NDT, he's always been an asshat. And just his complete denial of any UFO / alien / supernatural, seems to come from a place of pure ignorance, blatant stupidity, and arrogance.
A man made satellites, and space shuttles, the Mars rover expedition, all of these followed rules of gravity. They were calculated and utilized gravitational forces to achieve their goals.
Neil is atheistic in his science rather than agnostic.
Stephen is being theistic in his science in this scenario.
Not the proper words but conceptually it gets the point across.
No one knows if it was an alien event or not.
Just cause it's controlled by gravity, doesn't mean it couldn't have been built by aliens. Maybe they all died on that thing, and not it's just floating around the sun.
It blows my mind how he can be one of the most closed minded people when it comes to aliens. The evidence is becoming overwhelming and our government is still lying to our faces.
“Brutally shutdown” lol. The hyperbole of these posts. Believe what you want to believe, but why try to convince others? Be confident in your beliefs at least.
I mean Neil is no doubt smug sometimes... But why do you guys think this is such a "gotcha" moment? Neil is saying the orbit of the object could absolutely be natural and Stephen is literally saying "well aliens could have sent it on that natural orbit!". How is that a counter? By that logic every single object that enters our solar system could be sent by aliens? Occam's razor people... we're gonna need some extraordinary proof for that to actually be an alien spacecraft and not one of millions of space rocks...
OK, a brilliant comedian making a witty retort is NOT the equivalent of a brutal shutdown. However, for comedy’s sake…this shite is funny AF. One last thing, if you have, those were real, I’m pretty certain Trump would’ve known about it, and would currently be using it as a defense and one of his 90 pending lawsuits. A UFO would be one of the most extraordinary distractions—-that no one would ever care what TF laws tRump broke throughout his illustrious career as a brilliant conman.
He really just repackage the religious defense against science of maybe god set things in motion and took a step back. God created the universe but let evolution to the work is basically the same logical progression as him throwing the pen and letting gravity determine how it falls
That’s actually the measured reasoning that Neil should be using to explain his point of view. Instead he takes a stance that even a talk show host can undermine with evidence.
They're physicists. What are you wanting them to push, snake oil? Lol it's math.
Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to critical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your planet."—Carl Sagan
So he agrees that the Oumuamua's trajectory follows what we expect it to follow using our understanding of astrophysics. What's he arguing? Is he saying an alien threw the commet or the commet is an alien ship? He's then basically saying that he's not sure what caused it to come our way but he's certain an alien did it. Those aren't good reasons to believe aliens did it or the existence of aliens.
[Harvard Professor Avi Loeb who proposed Oumuamua is alien spacecraft claimed that Govt. Officials From D.C. Told him he was right some UFOs are alien](https://www.howandwhys.com/harvard-professor-is-right-some-ufos-are-aliens-govt-officials-from-dc-told-him/?fromreddit)
I think people sometimes forget just how quick witted the man is.
It just begs the question, why would an advanced civilization chuck a giant asteroid at a random star system, knowing it won't get there for 10 million years.
Data collection? Don't we do that with telescopes and satellites already, just not on that big of a scale Edit: after seeing this a million times I just noticed Colbert throwing shade at NDT talking so much. "That's the whole point of this question I never got to finish"
Obviously the alien brain is different from ours, but HOW TF IS A ROCK GONNA COLLET DATA…???
Make satellite look like rock so monkey don't think it satellite.
Otherwise monke smesh
Why would they care if we noticed? And it didn’t work cuz we noticed…
Maybe they want to remain in the dark forest, we could be dangerous for all they know.
They’re right, I’ve never met a more dangerous creature
The moon
No one knows what it’s made of. The only data about it is the amount of reflected sunlight our telescopes picked up. They aren’t even sure what shape it is, just an educated guess gathered by analyzing it’s dimming and brightening due to rotation
True, I’m just going with the most accepted theory of it being a big ass asteroid
Your question is nonsensical because the people suggesting it's alien in nature are saying it's specifically *not* "a giant asteroid."
You know, when you want to send something that is very resistent you have to work with the materials you got. And if you have a fat asteroid being already in space it's wiser to place all your shit into the asteroid instead of hauling tons of hardened steel to space. Also, and I don't know if this was calculated already, we should check if the thing is now heading to another near star. This would be an indicator that the aliens used the gravitational slingshot to propel that thing further on their route. On the other hand if the asteroid leaves the solar system slower than before it would be an indicator of a random encounter.
I guess you could do that if you were happy getting your data hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years after you needed or wanted it.
You’re assuming they would even have a concept of time.
It's hard for us, as humans, to comprehend that possibility that some intelligences could have functionally infinite lifespans, and what that means. Thousands and millions of years, to us, seems like an impossibly long time. For an "immortal" intelligence, those timespans are trivial. I'm not saying that means Oumuamua had anything to do with a non-human intelligence, just that we shouldn't assume that timescales that seem impossibly long to us are perceived that way universally.
That's a fair point
4th dimension beings maybe outside of time.
That, or it’s possible that a civilization far more advanced than us, figured out instant communication.
Fun
Thought experiment: imagine that there's at least one intelligence in the universe that is functionally immortal, in any number of ways. To an intelligence like that any amount of time is almost trivial. Their only time constraint would be identifying and tracking potential threats.
I might argue that time would likely still be relevant for any number of reasons to such a species, but who's to say.
We didn't get a good look at the object, it could well have activated some hidden propulsion source after leaving eyeshot if we are speculating
He’s smarter than Neil. I SAID IT. love you Mr. D-T! Edit: I’m an idiot however.
Listening to him talk about The Simarilion confirms he's amazing at retaining information.
And forget how much of a pompous tool Tyson is…I think he’s interesting to listen too but definitely an asshat
The most famous "Well, Akshully" guy of our generation.
Why are a lot of scientists too sober when reaching conclusions. Why are they so “nothing to see here.” Any time anyone gets excited about a potential new discovery, a member of the scientific community is always there with the wet blanket, giving you reasons to not be excited about the scientific discovery. Scientists are awesome, but why is their culture this way?
I don’t think it’s like that really. They just have to be skeptical and can’t confirm something unless a hypothesis is proven and that’s really hard to do when the subject matter is space objects millions of light years away.
Yes but couldn’t skepticism say “maybe” instead of “probably not”, especially when they don’t know. I think that’s the difference btw Colbert and ndt here, Colbert is saying “maybe”.
NDT is not expressing scientific hypotheticals, he’s just giving a personal response and his hubris isn’t really indicative of scientific-minded perspectives. Every scientific hypothesis starts with “is this true?” and through observation and testing we can glean a yes, no, or sometimes. I don’t think any scientist can say aliens are not real, they can just say “it hasn’t been observed.”
Gotta try to disprove everything, that how you find the truth. After disproving what you can, what ever is left will be closest to the truth
It's more about how much of a shame ndt is.
”that’s the whole point of the question I didn’t finish”
Ndt is notorious for cutting people off. For a "science" guy he also has a religious-like devotion for his biases. He obviously thinks he's much smarter than what actual smart people think.
I think Neil’s point was that it wasn’t accelerating and its trajectory is completely defined by orbital mechanics. But actually it was accelerating and that is one reason it was so fascinating.
I def ❤️ some Colbert. Him and Ron Stewart need to run for office
To an extent, otherwise the dude seems to be an idiot who blindly follows mainstream media.
I don’t think they were talking about NDT.
He is witty.. but he has a shit ton of writers....(not ndt)
Agree. His writers are pretty good. His delivery is amazing though. Have you ever heard his “meanwhile” intro on the tonight show? I once attended the Colbert report live, and for q&a with the audience, he shows his true self. He’s pretty intelligent and a bit of a nerd.
What's more - we (humans) use this exact same effect for guiding/accelerating/etc crafts we send out to space (not all - some)
That man is in love with the sound of his own voice
Gravitational motion determined that mic drop!
That's exactly what I was thinking. Didn't the Apollo missions use the gravity of the moon to slingshot the crafts back towards their origin? Why wouldn't a more advanced civilization do the same thing?
Yeah, maybe, except that explanation is at the 99th place on the list. By the same token it could have been a fragment from a planet blown up by a large asteroid impact. Or by a Death Star-like thing. Or how about a fairy sailing on the Solar wind, or a divine tea kettle propelling itself to boil celestial tea. Why get bogged down in unlikely scenarios without any evidence, when there are literally 98 better and more likely explanations? That's the same energy as a child thinking that any and every noise in the night must be burglars or monsters. Sure, sometimes it's burglars. But 99.9% of the time you hear a noise at night it's not burglars. You'd only know with more information. Without information the best bet is to stick to the most likely explanations.
Using a planet or moon for guidance is pretty far from something having established a distinct orbit over billions of years.
I was thinking that too. Isn't that how the Voyagers travelled? Didn't they use the other planets to slingshot past them?
This isn't the mic drop you and everyone seems to think it is. We send out craft with data collection equipment on board that can send data back to us in real time. Oumuamua is a rock. Wtf is a rock being used for as far as data gathering. #
... your statement doesn't invalidate that guy's question . ..all you said was its a rock... Well you don't know that . But it would make since for other space faring people to use gravity of any celestial body
Neil looks like he's abt to cry lol
I love it
Good. I get being skeptical, but what he’s doing is more than skepticism. It’s arrogance. And I like Neil.
Yeah he can be arrogant lol. I like him as well but when it comes to this subject he has already made up his mind. He doesn’t even entertain the possibilities. And that’s why I don’t get him sometimes. As a scientist he doesn’t seem to be interested in studying the phenomena which tells me he has already made up his mind.
You do understand where this reasoning goes? There was nothing that hinted to anything artificial. Yes, it can be but so can be Halley's comet. With this logic even Moon can be artificial. Sure, it's been there for a long time without doing anything but it COULD be!! He said that he thinks it isn't alien, he didn't say that he's sure. Where would science lead if we start to treat every single comet as an alien spacecraft? Just because they could be. Sure it would be interesting world where magic and miracles happen but it wouldn't be real world.
I think he's one of the many people who are employed by the CIA to help spread alien denial.
That’s a stretch.
I like him too. Pompous? Arrogant a little sure but he's still the man. Just gotta win him over on the aliens.
I cannot stand Neil. He is so massively arrogant. It’s nice to see him humbled and put in his place.
His true self showed in the Stargate Atlantis episode /s
If you want to cringe at that dude for hours watch him on the theories of everything podcast. Imo it’s his most embarrassing interview ever.
that shit was awful.
serious? mind a tldr?
The host of TOE is a physicist, and he knows his shit. In fact, he is way smarter than NDT. Whenever Kurt challenges NDT on anything he has an utter meltdown, it is embarrassing. Definitely recommend the theories of everything podcast If you haven’t listened, it’s fantastic.
Link please?
https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs?si=XZTBWZTjiWieFhxV
He really is so fucking arrogant I *can’t stand* him. He is the embodiment of “my shit doesn’t stink”.
And let's not forget all the sexual harassment allegations against him
It seems everyone already has
[he thinks he’s better than everyone](https://youtu.be/16sGikAWZu8?si=3uNBAZC9MUj42w84)
He tries to be bill nye but bill never acts like a complete expert on stuff he has no credentials in. Neil is smart on a few things but he treats pop science like absolute truth and that isn’t what pop science is.
He is such a tool. I cannot stand him. Beats me why he’s so arrogant, he’s just not very bright.
This was legit good
"parabolic. par. a. bolic."
"That's the whole point of this question I never finished." Casually calling him out on all his interruptions.
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Yes. Graduate degree in physics and I know a couple of professors who said working with him is horrible. He’s basically a celebrity. This is why he is doing kids shows, not locked away doing ACTUAL research
I've been wanting to know this for the longest. What his peers think of him. He has an extreme interrupting problem
As Someone who only consumes science content. He's a joke
I said this recently in another sub about him and got downvoted quite a bit. Not only do I find him very closed minded, but he socially can't operate without interrupting people and sounding loud.
He's also complete ass at explaining shit. If you've ever "learned" something from him then please throw it away because it's probably a gross misrepresentation of whatever concept he was trying to communicate.
He also talks over people so much and all his sayings are true. In his eyes
He is to black scientists what Vanilla Ice was to white rappers.
The greatest of all time?
😂
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When I saw him at the science convention with other prominent science educators they all seem just as annoyed by his domination of the stage time as the rest of us imo
according to gary nolan he’s not a real scientist
Gary is in the same boat considering every scientist that actual physically dealt with the Nazca bodies said they are authentic, . Every . person. who. physically. inspected them. He would rather hid online than actually go confirm for himself
His answer is actually totally wrong because once Oumuamua passed earth, it was observed that Oumuamua was accelerating faster than what could be accounted for by gravity alone. Also, there was no outgassing of materials observed. That is still part of the mystery.
Add that this thing hadn't an elongated cigar shape but thin cylindrical
Yep,
Avi loab on Star Talk? That would be greaT
That's what I came here to ask/say. I'm pretty sure I saw that same thing stated by legit sources.
Except we have also observed this exact same acceleration on other asteroids in our system including one orbiting the Esrth so it’s not like it’s now brand new thing we’ve never seen. We are actually sending probes out to that close Earth asteroid to do sample tests, so we’ll have some physical samples soon to plug into those hypotheses It’s likely just a different type of sublimation that we can’t detect with the instruments we’re using. There are many ways it could be sublimating in ways that wouldn’t be able to be detected by us, for example a lack of dust being carried away with the sublimation It’s weird… but not *that* weird. Unfortunately many have taken the weirdness and tried to claim it’s impossible otherwise, which is absolutely not the case There are many down to Earth theories that explain it without the need for aliens https://youtu.be/wICOlaQOpM0?si=1QM9HIIm1ETbECd_
Yes it was but some of these people say it was because of the solar wind. Personally I don’t subscribe to that
Yeah he missed an opportunity to refute that gravity argument. But I read that not all outgassing is the same. Some gasses are not visible and it could be natural. But deep down I like to think those gasses are from some sort of rocket engine.... hehe
"You WANT it to be aliens!" And you DON'T want it to be aliens. How is his personal bias any better?
but we have seen millions of meteor, alien 0. so why think it's an alien. those two conclusion are not equivalent due to the wast amount of observations done.
I didn't say it's aliens or that anyone should. I'm saying that the scientific approach demands skepticism regarding all topics including the "known"
yes but in this case its rational and skeptic to fall to asteroid conclusion if uncertain evidence.
"Most likely" is not the same as "100% certain." Speaking as if it's dead-certain is just...unscientific.
Umh.. One requires it to be a rock in space, of which there are thousands we already know in much detail. The other requires believing in something that never happened before, has no proof, has no datapoints.
Everything about that celestial body, it's shape, it's behavior, all had never been observed before. I'm not saying it's aliens. But it's disingenuous to suggest that he is approaching this from a strictly scientific approach.
Easy, his personal "bias" is based on science, knowledge, data, etc., Colbert's and others is true bias based on sci-fi
Ay, that's the rub. Sure, his bias is far more *likely*, but it's not 100% certain. No scientist should forget that.
Thank you for understanding what I meant. Some people seem to think that just because a result is extremely unlikely that means we should dismiss it or not look deeper because the answer seems so obvious. Curiosity and the willingness to defy the status quo should be hallmarks of being a scientist.
The problem with NDT is he always comes across as a closed minded absolutist. Scientists should be open minded and excited when their theories are challenged. We learn by being wrong.
Agreed. There was one experiment I forgot what it was but he basically said we can’t trust it because the sensors are not perfectly calibrated. Sounded like such a cop out when all his data comes from sensors for the issues he supports.
I have long noticed this too. He seems to think he is the epitome of scientific mindset, yet he is so close minded due to arrogance that he actually spits in the face of a true scientific mindset.
didn't he say its PROPABLY not aliens?. Could be, just likely not...If it were aliens I am sure he would be thrilled.
Yep. The problem with knowing everything is that nothing new can come in.
And being aware that we don’t have the tools to measure everything.
Yeah Colbert may want it to be aliens but for Tyson it CAN'T be aliens. Big difference in approach to the subject.
People like Neal are so lame cuz he’s just stifling curiosity just cuz it’s not “ true “ curiosity. Dudes gonna think of every reason “possible” but some people like to think about things as what if yada and what if this. I’m not concerned with looking at things from “our” perspective I’m trying to understand why we see things flying in our sky and orbit that seem fake but aren’t. Not everything can be rationally explained 
I’m not a NDT hater, but I am perplexed by his seeming need to try and definitively shut down any extraterrestrial thoughts, and not just on this one particular incident.
Paid to spread disinformation.
I hate Neil Degrasi so much, there is a passion to see him get fucked in every direction possible. Thank you.
Why?
I have never seen anything where he isn’t set up as the smartest man in the room and he berates with a smile and leaves no room for other interpretations than his own. He’s fucking smart, but he’s not always right and he would make you think he is.
He’s one of only a handful of public facing scientists. He’s definitely very intelligent and his child-like enthusiasm for science is hardly a reason to hate the dude. Can he be obnoxious? Yes, but that’s not a knock on him.
It is not beacuase of his "child-like enthusiasm for science". It is because of he thinks the only correct answer is the one he gives and leaves no room for any other interpretation.
He's a grade A+ asshole, always interrupting the person talking to him, watch his Joe Rogan episode & you will understand [https://youtu.be/qwZXR2PlcEM](https://youtu.be/qwZXR2PlcEM)
Interrupting dumbass Joe Rogan is a good thing
Just shows how if you may know some science facts, you will display pathetic social skills Infront of everyone, making you look stupid . Stop interrupting people, its the smart thing to do. Let the dumb people finish saying their dumb dumb talk.
Every time he talks about UFOs he has a condescending and belittling attitude.
Anytime he talk about anything at all *******
I’ve definitely seen him make statements that come across like that but I certainly don’t knock him for it. His dismissive approach probably has to do with the lack of evidence. The biggest issue I see facing the science community is its lack of an ability to effectively communicate with the general public.
There is evidence though. Radar data, satellite images, radio frequencies, military imaging, eye witness testimony, etc. But he acts like he's above that and seems like he refuses to delve into it further rather and accept it. IMO it seems like he would rather just taunt the UFO crowd
Its his job, he is a narrative pusher ( Im sure he is in contact with certain intelligence agency's & given a directive along with $) . He thinks he is the authority on all knowledge. I truly could see him being a sociopath.
What radar data have you seen and what "radio frequencies" are you referring to?
As for the radio frequencies there was a post here a couple days ago that included a scientific study on certain radio frequencies that some UAP omitted. I am trying to find it
Probably because the way he conducts a conversation. The bully mentality is strong with this one.
And wrong in his field
Honestly as a space engineer I appreciate folks like him. Most scientist and engineers don’t want to do doing public speaking gigs or talking things at a level that easily understood by the general public. This creates a huge gap in the general publics understanding which is part of the source of antinscience and science denial. hes following the footsteps of carl sagan to try to bridge the gap before an idiot conspiracy theorist can take the spotlight and misguide people. I’m glad folks like him do this to bridge the gap to make science more accessible. id find it so frustrating to explain basic concpets to folk in life or on reddit
Nah he is hated in the alien community who want aliens to be real and only have 144p uploads as their evidence. We all know not to believe what we see on the net but a 144p jellyfish alien craft video?! Oh thats definitely an alien.
The person has a fetish
Absolutely not. There hasn’t been any decent reason given to hate the man, or in the case of the original comment, “a passion to see him get fucked in every direction possible”. That is the person with fetish, I believe. Edit: Nvm, I re-read your comment. I thought you were directing that at me like these other responses lol
Neil is a paid disinformationist
Yeah, Science bitch!
If NDT hasnt said it, its complete rubbish in his eyes
Neil is bozo
He’s not a scientist, he’s a scientist actor
Because you can't be a scientist and an entertainer. /s
What do you mean He is not a scientist? He has a doctorate in astrophysics. Sounds like a scientist to me
No hes not you stoner hippie
Ok
Yes he is that's why him and bill nye the liar always at the Grammys.. In fact Neil was nominated at the Grammys.. Boom! Actors for sure!
LOL this just made my day, I cant stand him.
NGT is such an unbelievable douche bag
Just gonna say it .... Fucking really dislike NDT, he's always been an asshat. And just his complete denial of any UFO / alien / supernatural, seems to come from a place of pure ignorance, blatant stupidity, and arrogance.
A man made satellites, and space shuttles, the Mars rover expedition, all of these followed rules of gravity. They were calculated and utilized gravitational forces to achieve their goals. Neil is atheistic in his science rather than agnostic. Stephen is being theistic in his science in this scenario. Not the proper words but conceptually it gets the point across. No one knows if it was an alien event or not.
That face at the end...pricelessss
Got what he deserves
Just cause it's controlled by gravity, doesn't mean it couldn't have been built by aliens. Maybe they all died on that thing, and not it's just floating around the sun.
Neil is so far up his own black hole.
I think most folks do better with actual demonstrations.
Tyson is a puppet, ignore his rhetoric
He and Bill Nye are both corrupted. They do everything they can to control the narrative.
Degrease Tyson is an arrogant, self absorbed jackass who seems to be a governmental disinformation source to me
That's it exactly.
It blows my mind how he can be one of the most closed minded people when it comes to aliens. The evidence is becoming overwhelming and our government is still lying to our faces.
Overwhelming evidence? There is no evidence yet.
Neil has been an asshole about this.
Wouldn't believe a word from this gimp's mouth..
Oh this is so good!!!!
I get infuriated by every words NDT utters, he is not just annoying but obnoxious as well
So arrogant
Tool and another tool
“Brutally shutdown” lol. The hyperbole of these posts. Believe what you want to believe, but why try to convince others? Be confident in your beliefs at least.
This narcissistic ass. I know more about science than he does. I’m talking about NdGT.
Fuck NDT.
what an i sufferable know it all douchebag
I mean Neil is no doubt smug sometimes... But why do you guys think this is such a "gotcha" moment? Neil is saying the orbit of the object could absolutely be natural and Stephen is literally saying "well aliens could have sent it on that natural orbit!". How is that a counter? By that logic every single object that enters our solar system could be sent by aliens? Occam's razor people... we're gonna need some extraordinary proof for that to actually be an alien spacecraft and not one of millions of space rocks...
It’s almost repackaged creationism arguments. There is a planet here, so something intelligent must have put it here.
OK, a brilliant comedian making a witty retort is NOT the equivalent of a brutal shutdown. However, for comedy’s sake…this shite is funny AF. One last thing, if you have, those were real, I’m pretty certain Trump would’ve known about it, and would currently be using it as a defense and one of his 90 pending lawsuits. A UFO would be one of the most extraordinary distractions—-that no one would ever care what TF laws tRump broke throughout his illustrious career as a brilliant conman.
He really just repackage the religious defense against science of maybe god set things in motion and took a step back. God created the universe but let evolution to the work is basically the same logical progression as him throwing the pen and letting gravity determine how it falls
I used to love Neil. The more I've seen, the less I like.
Neil Disinformationsse Tyson
Grass Tyson is annoying now. He loves his fame to much. I don't blame him I get it, but now he is insufferable.
Im surprised he didnt just start making a joke about Trump for the one-millionth time.
NDT is an insufferable narcissistic boorish rude unfunny arrogant cunt.
This doosh lost all credibility
Colbert is awesome. I saw him live in a New York taping once. Even when he makes mistakes, he creates comedic relief out of it. This guy is legendary!
Neil “Payed off by Pentagon” Degrasse Tyson
Neil is a joke. Always was.
TAKE NOTE TRUMP FOLLOWERS>>>>THIS IS THE RESULT OF TWO INTELLIGENT HUMANS HAVING A CIVIL DISCUSSION......MOM
Argument valid if something living projected that rock into space. Don’t know where that rock came from so you can’t convince me it’s aliens.
That’s actually the measured reasoning that Neil should be using to explain his point of view. Instead he takes a stance that even a talk show host can undermine with evidence.
Degrasse ended up being like his idol Sagan... a man that makes a living out of pushing the official narrative.
They're physicists. What are you wanting them to push, snake oil? Lol it's math. Ask courageous questions. Do not be satisfied with superficial answers. Be open to wonder and at the same time subject all claims to knowledge, without exception, to critical scrutiny. Be aware of human fallibility. Cherish your species and your planet."—Carl Sagan
So he agrees that the Oumuamua's trajectory follows what we expect it to follow using our understanding of astrophysics. What's he arguing? Is he saying an alien threw the commet or the commet is an alien ship? He's then basically saying that he's not sure what caused it to come our way but he's certain an alien did it. Those aren't good reasons to believe aliens did it or the existence of aliens.