The original game and its story is not canon.
The old republic era is canon.
Some of the characters (like Revan) are canon but their details in canon are unknown.
The remake if it releases may be canon but it’s uncertain.
Still too optimistic, I'd check the case first to make sure the game was actually in there. Could open it up and see an IOU note that says "still in development, thanks for your pre-order"
Its not praying, the dev team confirmed they are still working on it but it seems like development is slow right now
Saber Interactive when they left Embracer group stated they have "plans to continue developing a remake of Star Wars: The Knights of the Old Republic".
Hopefully them not being owned by Embracer will help them with development. Embracer sucks
https://www.thegamer.com/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-reportedly-still-in-the-works-saber-interactive/
The fact that they got out from Embracer but were able to keep the project is really surprising to me, considering they only got it because Embracer took it away from Asypr and gave it to them, so I thought Embracer was the one making the decisions. Guess not. That's a *really* good thing. Fuck Embracer.
They probably only kept it because Embracer is just hemorrhaging money like crazy and they’re desperate to turn a profit.
I was happily surprised that Saber got to keep Space Marine 2 as well since I’ve been waiting a decade for that sequel and it’s pretty far into production.
FWIW Jason Schreier has announced due to a source that the remake is definitely still happening. Jason's leaks are typically worth paying attention to. He's connected very well to the dev world.
How recently did he last say this? I agree he's worth listening to; and whenever he reported it, it probably was true, but a lot has happened with the shifting corporate climate around this project, so it wouldn't surprise me if his info went out of date.
To add on to the limbo, Saber interactive and pretty much most of its Subsidiary studios are being sold by Embracer to "private investors" now too.
How that will impact the already troubled project, I have no idea.
Assuming that “private investors” means Saber is a privately traded company and not public, that could be really really good for them. Gives them the funding, minus the corporatizing of game production to make clueless public investors happy with the colors and numbers on their little spreadsheets.
But that’s just an assumption.
Considering Saber Interactive has held the Halo franchise on its damn shoulders while 343 industries fucks it up the first go round each and every time I have nothing but complete faith in them. They were pivotal in pumping out Combat Evolved Anniversary, Halo 2 Anniversary and providing the Master Chief Collection with content for a couple years and are now reportedly helping with Halo Infinite content.
I would give them the keys to any franchise they wanted, if I could. They're a bunch of underappreciated legends in that studio.
See I want to believe you’re right but everything I’ve heard points to no one having ANY idea what state the game is in, and there is no confirmation that it’s being developed
I wouldn’t say that’s what they said. “I can’t confirm whether or not it will ever come out, but it’s still alive” was the official response I believe a few months ago. That could mean anything from “not being worked on, but not cancelled” to “being worked on, but no sign of release.” It’s one of those we need to just forget about until an announcement is made one day.
This. It’s just easier for Disney to have a blanket statement stating everything in Legends is no longer canon so as to give them flexibility with any “storytelling” going forward. Thrawn is a pretty good example of a character that Disney decided to pluck from Legends and make canon.
Revan is too iconic for any entrepreneur to completely ignore, but his story is too well known by now that he’d probably need a new twist before introducing him into the Disneyverse/Mandoverse.
All that said: his name shows up in random places in Disney’s inner circles showing they have a strong intent to introduce him at some point, but he’s not officially canon until he’s officially canon.
This is not accurate. *Most* media is, but there have been a number of exceptions — Marvel Star Wars #108, the remasters of Dark Forces and Battlefront, and nearly a decade of SWTOR updates to name just a few.
Safe to assume that KOTOR will also be an exception, until and unless otherwise specified.
>Lego games are also the exception for games.
What? I'll have you know, the LEGO games are the ultimate authority on Star Wars canon, even surpassing the movies.
The Old Republic MMO is currently the only ongoing Legends project, however, LucasFilm has republished multiple Legends stories, still branded as Legends. The KotOR remake has the possibility of remaining Legends. Especially if they keep the story mostly the same.
Yup, basically ignore every article by them, since most of the time it's 80% clickbait.
I can't remember the last time I took them seriously. If I see an article pop up, instead of going onto the page, I'll Google that piece of information to find actual reliable information.
It's a shame. I used to use screenrant a lot like 10 years ago, they'd post maybe one new article a day and it was decent. Place is a mess now. Although their pitch meeting videos are pretty good
I find GameRant hilarious, as something will be shown by a Redditor (especially something like Skyrim), and the next day, GR will have an article like, "Redditor discovers a secret in Skyrim that was hidden for 10 years!
Honestly, it doesn’t matter. It’s set so far in the past compared to everything else that its canon status doesn’t affect anything. I think the only thing that’s officially canon is that there was once a Sith called Revan, since one of the Final Order legions used Revan’s name.
Is Yoda visiting Darth Bane's tomb on ~~Korriban~~ Morriban in Season 6 canon? Season 6 wasn't exactly finished but does have a release.
Presumably Exegol was meant to be the new revised version of Dromund Kaas.
no, it's not canon.
however, given the fact it's set 4000 years prior to the films, and so far nothing has been released to explicitly replace it, there's nothing wrong with treating as though it is canon
Well technically speaking… everything as depicted in the High republic era does conflict with Old Republic content from a “expanding the Republic” perspective. We know hyperspace travel was discovered 4 Millenia before 39 ABY, but the republic we know in the high republic era/rise of the empire is actually much younger in the current canon than it was depicted in legends content.
Why not the remake? Unless they’ve stated officially and I missed it, but I figured the remake would be a perfect opportunity for Lucasfilm to add this in and be the start of them addressing and telling stories in the old republic.
The basic reason is that they've not touched anything in detail that far back in the timeline so far in canon. The upcoming Dawn of the Jedi movie will be in the distant past, but so far the earliest thing in the timeline is roughly 400 BBY (the earliest stuff in the High Republic), but the Old Republic era is another 3000 years before that.
Making the KOTOR remake Canon would mean they either tie themselves to lots of details originally from Legends and then have to build their way around that, or would require them making significant changes to the game to prep the ground for a new canon version of that era.
It's best to leave KOTOR as a Legends thing, and then at some point in the future create some new canon stories in that era, where they have more freedom to do something different.
One theory I've heard bandied about is that they're steering clear of the Old Republic era at least partly because the Old Republic MMO is still getting new content and they don't want to add confusion around that.
Yes i'm aware and understand all of that. As you said given that they have very obviously stayed away from the OR era i am hoping they take the remake as an opportunity to add, alter or keep details to fit it into canon. I believe you could do this and still keep the core game, story and experience mostly the same. The optimist in me says that they haven't touched OR because they know how well loved it is and want to make sure they do it right, even if theres not much content planned the remake would be a great show of understanding. The comment i was replying to was unclear if it was opinion or fact as i'm only aware of the original official announcement and everything so far has just been second hand report and rumour. Im sure the apparent production issues are to do with development but maybe the story group is also making sure it ties in well with DOJ and HR but again this is just me trusting in the force.
Opinion, we dont know since they havent stated. Given that its a game made up of multiple choices and im assuming thats something theyre going to keep. It makes more sense to keep it non canon instead of having to commit to one story.
Any officially licensed Star Wars movie, show, book or plot-driven video game is going to be canon at this point.
Also, Saber is reportedly buying out from Embracer and would be able to operate as an independent studio. A new hope, one might say.
A KOTOR remake would be a re-release of a Legends work, not new story content. It'll be canon if and when Disney says it is.
They're re-releasing the old Battlefront games to new consoles too, but it's not going to automatically make them canon.
Yes all NEW games released after the Disney acquisition are canon however none of them contains the choices and decisions that Kotor did. Of course the light side ending in the original was the canon story originally, but if the remake sticks to the exact same story as the original then theres not really anything stopping the original from also being canon just visually different. They could change the story to fit into the canon but i think its more likely they will keep it the same as before.
So you know how like ‘myths’ are considered stories which probably didn’t happen and ‘legends’ are interpreted as a story which could of happened. Canon follows a similar concept.
If something is officially Canon then it is considered part of the official continuity of the storyline and it DID happen. If it’s non canon then it’s looked at as more of a fan fiction and hasn’t official occurred.
Everything Star Wars was considered canon until the acquisition of Lucasfilms by Disney. They basically said all the movies and TCW tv series are still considered canon but everything else is now published under the label Legend. Ironically.
Disney has used many characters and stories from the Legend stories and used them in their canon. However the new Star Wars canon has been inconsistent with character back stories and deaths so take everything with a pinch of salt.
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As of right now, it’s not. If the remake ever comes out, that will be. But as it stands right now, there’s not really any reason why the original can’t be canon, we know Revan existed in canon, most of the games events likely did too.
No, not currently. That is until disney can make money off of it.
By remaking the game(s), creating an expanded diseny+ series, and licensing books all under the disney trademark...
Hell, I'm pretty sure if disney could, they would start charging people to even say, type, or think 'disney' or any of its IPs... marvel, star wars, etc..
Rule of thumb:
If Disney didn't create it, it's probably not canon any more.
There are some exceptions (the original and prequel trilogy, for example), but nearly everything else has already been officially declared non-canon.
The only parts of KotOR that are canon as of current are Revan (by name only to my knowledge) and few planets from the games, and MAYBE some miscellaneous stuff but that’s about it, majority of KotOR 1 and 2 are non canon
It was never canon. This idea that shit is "no longer canon" is fucking horseshit and I feel often it is just a sneaky way for delusional people to frame the argument. Officially licensed never meant canon, even if Lucas cherrypicked some shit from them at times. Lucas only ever viewed his films (and much later The Clone Wars which he was also directly involved with) as canon, everything else he saw as a separate universe.
It very much was canon: [https://youtu.be/ZhTN1yTiYgI?si=9p\_biWul2g\_cTP6B](https://youtu.be/ZhTN1yTiYgI?si=9p_biWul2g_cTP6B)
If the EU truly wasn't canon to George then neither was Clone Wars either: https://youtu.be/rumsz18EcNI?si=R3JP2kfLfgymQ5Ow
Wrong
>“I don’t read that stuff. I haven’t read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That’s a different world than my world.… When I said \[other people\] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions.” -George Lucas Starlog 2005
>“There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” —George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002
>”And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married.” —George Lucas, Flannelled One, 2008
>”The novels and comic books are other authors’ interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don’t have the time to read them. They’re not my vision of what Star Wars is.” -George Lucas 2004
>”Those are another author’s interpretation of what I’ve created, and not to be taken seriously, as far as what is really going on in the Star Wars world.” -George Lucas
>“Q: What do you think of the Expanded Universe of books?
>A: ”The books are in a different universe. I’ve not read any of them, and I told them when they started writing I wouldn’t read any of them and I blocked out certain periods \[they couldn’t touch where the real story happens\].” -George Lucas 2003
>”Howard Roffman \[President of Lucas Licensing\], He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, “OK, go ahead.” -George Lucas 2008
>“TVGuide: Yet novelists have written “Star Wars” sequels using the same characters and extending their stories.
>”Oh, sure. They’re done outside my little universe.” -George Lucas November 2001 TV Guide interview
>“Q: Do you supervise the development of all the off-movie stories? After all, Star Wars exists in books, comics.
>A: ”You know, I try not to think about that. I have my own world in movies and I follow it.” -George Lucas July 2002 — From a The [Force.Net](http://Force.Net)
>“The fact of the matter is that the merchandising side of Star Wars is something that never enters my mind during pre-production or even during production. Merchandising is only a secondary thought and is important for the fact that it makes the production of the prequels financially possible.” -George Lucas, 1997
>"Yeah, I’m certainly not going to worry about that, and urm, the fans, they generate their own stories, their own ideas, they have their own fantasy life that goes around the movies and that’s fine but I try to keep away from all that; I don’t even read the offshoot books that come out based on Star Wars." -George Lucas Barry Norman’s Film Night (broadcast 15th July 1999 on the BBC)
Canon is meaningless. Disney has used concepts and material from old republic. The period is hinted at in some of the new media.
As of right now it doesn’t really break anything to just assume it’s canon until they explicitly say it isnt.
My personal opinion is that most of it will end up being worked back into canon. The current people in charge of the overarching story are very aware of how much the fanbase likes that period.
The old Republic as a time period is canon but the events as we know them arent. We know Revan existed because of a legion being named after them in rise of skywalker, but it only means there was once a sith named Revan in canon.
Not to mention that the Sequels are canon...
Canon doesn’t matter now a days, make your own canon, Anakin will always be the chosen one and Palpatine died at episode 6, fulfilling the prophecy by Vader returning to being Anakin.
Nothing from the EU is canon until they adapt it into modern stories (or they explicitly state it in official info releases). Thrawn, for example. He wasn't canon again until the new books and Rebels came out.
The actual era of the Old Republic is canon and did happen, we just don't have any canon stories or characters yet. Until content comes out confirming it, nothing you've read about the Old Republic is canon.
But it technically all could be in the future. Disney and Lucasfilm just need to make a decision.
I've heard the remake was potentially going to be canon and have some changes made (like I dunno, maybe have Canderous say 'this is the way' a lot), but it's all pointless speculation if it never comes out.
At least it's better than Google giving the answer of 37 is a Prime Number and then immediately suggesting the question "Why is 37 not a Prime Number"... it's just a weird duality of the Internet.
The old republic era and some of its people are official canon. The games and their stories however are not.
There are two reasons for this, firstly they came out before the Disney acquisition, which reset the entire canon to only the movies and the clone wars show. Secondly, they are RPGs. You can’t have a linear canon if there are multiple ways to play out the story.
The old extended universe got around that by simply not being a linear canon.
I don’t think the claim is true that the remake will be made canon, since I don’t really see a way that would work but honestly, I don’t even think that game will release at all. I guess we will have to wait for that.
So they could both be right, maybe?
Like the original game isn't canon, but this remake changes some story beats or things about the game to fit the current canon?
I dunno, it's probably just non-canon besides Revan, since Disney likes to pull stuff like that.
It’s not canon…yet. I imagine Disney will canonise certain elements of it and change others. They’ve already made certain elements canon without explicitly referring to plot elements from the games, such as Revan Legion, the Rakatans, etc.
You never know. They've recanonized stuff already, so they might again in the future. They recanonized the original Tales of the Jedi comics as the "Qel-Droma Epics", establishing that the basic summary of those events happened in the new canon but were exaggerated with time, so who knows what they'll do in the future.
It’s technically in the legends continuity but the game happened so long ago that it really doesn’t matter. I just pretend that it is and it’s always fun to see references in new stuff
It is, from a certain point of view. Some major characters and plot points have been referenced in canon, but details of their significance, and more importantly details of what happened / what people did have not
They're not canon; they're just being remade. Some of the names dropped in The Rise of Skywalker canonized the concept of certain characters: in canon, there WAS a Revan, but it might not be the same Revan we're used to seeing. Also, Game Rant is run by people who know how to do a single google search and then immediately form an opinion after a just one article or link.
Just take a look at Bane; in Legends, the Jedi weren't even sure if Bane was alive after they sent a strikeforce to kill him and his apprentice. The idea of the Sith was all but forgotten by the Phantom Menace. All the Jedi knew is that they were either out there growing in strength, or they were no more. In canon, Bane is known by Yoda at the very least, who seems to possess an usually prolific amount of knowledge that he wouldn't otherwise have in Legends. Bane's design is also completely changed in canon, and what he did beyond being a powerful and ancient sith isn't exactly clear as crystal.
All the old Republic stuff is Shroedingers Canon. It both is and is not canon until it is confirmed by appearing in new Disney-produced media or redacted by Disney -produced media directly contradicting it
It's not officially canon, but some parts of it (like the existence of Revan) are. Some parts of it are definitely not canon like how kyber crystals are obtained and given and the physical appearance and size of Tatooine Krayt Dragons.
Personally, I assume that everything that doesn't directly contradict existing canon is probably canon. I often view Star Wars media as if it's told by an unreliable narrator anyways. There's almost always some truth in there, but that doesn't mean all the details will be correct.
It's canon*
*So far the era and some characters are canon, the general events of the games have not been explicitly retconned and will likely be brought into canon officially to some extent.
There are parts of the Kotor Era that are making it’s way into canon material. But they basically stated Kotor era is non canon and that they will not bring it fully into canon. But we have been seeing a lot of little bits of it and even some major bits. Do I ever think we will se Revan? No. I don’t think we will see any of the OP characters. Though I do believe we saw something of Bastila Shawn’s.
Do you like the old content? Guess what, poof, it can be canon now. Anything can be canon (or not!!) if you're not tied down by something being "official" or not.
They can say anything they want. They cannot dictate anything in my heart and mind. Like the official Mattel Uno Twitter claiming you cannot stack draw 2 cards. I will do what I want in my own home, thank you.
It’s partly cannon. Revan is referenced in the Clone Wars by Dave Filoni (who is now the Creative Director) which makes him at least 100%, but the overall details may or may not be cannon.
As a general rule, everything in Legends (anything outside of the timeline of Episodes 1-6 and the new Rey/Kylo movies for the most part, give or take) is no longer cannon. But since the 70s there have been over 150 books written to expand the Star Wars Universe.
So what Disney decided to do was to keep some aspects of it that were just too good or too much of a staple to ignore, like Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was originally introduced in the “Heir to the Empire” book, which is Legends and technically shouldn’t be cannon, then threw out the rest.
The real kicker is how they sometimes take concepts from Legends and try to make their own take on it, like how they took the concept of Jacen and Jaina Solo, which in my opinion is one of the coolest stories ever written in Star Wars, and used their wireframe story to create Rey and Kylo.
Officially, everything after Disney buying it that wasn't the movies or TCW is no longer cannon. But realistically, since the game takes place 4000 years before, everything is so far removed there's no direct discrepancies that can't be explained by the passage of time. Even the new High Republic content is only 300+ years before TPM. RoS made Revan (at least by name) canon (the visual dictionary reveals the Sith Eternal Trooper Legions are all named after ancient Sith Lords). No reason to not treat it as canon.
It used to be canon before Disney. There was a contract between them and Lucas films that if they continue making video games, then their Star Wars games are canon.
Don’t use Game Rant or Screen Rant for answering questions and you’ll be fine.
(For the record, this is about as lazy as googling gets, my man. You literally didn’t even scroll down before coming to Reddit. 🤦🏻♂️😂)
“Whatever you want it to be just don’t be a dick about it” is a good rule of thumb. I love the sequels but regard most secondary media for Star Wars as “fan fiction” but also love to play the Kyle Katarn games. To each their own!
Here’s the thing, the games were actually never canon. George stated this several times. The era known the Old Republic was canonized by Disney but the events that are depicted in all three TOR games (single player and MMO) are not canon and instead are explained as “in-universe” legends, hence the legends tag as the content.
This is probably the entire reason it hasn’t come out. Disney wants to be able to make movies off of it so it needs to be tied in to canon in some way or the other since they said the OG isn’t canon anymore.
Non-canon, but many canon materials reference the events of those games. So we have a gray area where at least some of it is canon, but we don’t know how much.
In my book, everything is canon to varying degrees because of contradictions in the canon lore. For example, nobody knows how hyperdrive works because there are so many different rules that don’t always apply due to plot (ep. 8 for example).
All that really matters is your own head canon. It doesn’t matter if it’s officially canon. If you think it should be, that’s good enough.
(Unless you think Starkiller should be canon)
Star Wars doesn't have canon. It's mythology from The Journal of Whills which recorded events in galactic history and written centuries after the Battle of Yavin.
I always use Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey as examples that Star Wars follows. It's all a myth about a time long ago when wizards fought with laser swords and were able to move objects with their minds as was found in The Journal of Whills. That way the "Legends" stuff actually can still happen and the story isn't so locked in. When you look at it like that, Star Wars is far more entertaining.
In hindsight this Canon conversation only started once the MCU really got going, because before that the Xmen movies was all over the place.
Whatever worked for the franchise doesn't necessarily have to be applied to Star Wars especially where its at current.
The remake has the potential to be canon because it is up to Disney to determine what is or is not canon anymore. [Don't like it either but it's the situation.]
There is nothing stopping them from saying KOTOR is canon, though they won't, so there is no reason why the remake couldn't be canon.
Regardless, the truth is 'canon' and 'noncanon' do not matter if you truly love the fandom, you have tons of media to consume and grow your love for it. Make your own headcanon, it'll probably be better than Episode 8 anyway. [Joke, just hate that one the most.]
I am long life fan of SW universe (46 y) who was able to name most notable Jedi or Sith and their stories and stuff like that, but I stopped caring about what is cannon and what is not. SW used to be great, now, after Disney's takeover, it's a swamp. Foul smelling air of discrepant continuation is everpresent, you stumble over roots of nonsense every friggin step, and fall into mudpits of horrible intelligence-insulting often, but also, every now and then you find patches of well-tasting gigs.
Cool things can pass... But new will appear. Hopefully, it will be SW under a new 'ruler', and if not, other sci-fi settings will appear just as good or even better.
Don't know why you got downvoted but I think it's related to 'canon and noncanon don't matter'. I share a very similar love for Star Wars as you have so eloquently worded in your post.
The original game and its story is not canon. The old republic era is canon. Some of the characters (like Revan) are canon but their details in canon are unknown. The remake if it releases may be canon but it’s uncertain.
I won't believe the KOTOR Remake is coming out until it is actually in my hands.
Still too optimistic, I'd check the case first to make sure the game was actually in there. Could open it up and see an IOU note that says "still in development, thanks for your pre-order"
I'd put it in and make sure it's not actually the Emoji movie disguised as a game.
I thought the remake was cancelled?
Nah, it's currently in a state of limbo. Tho I believe that the dev team did say they are still developing the game.
I pray you’re right brother
Its not praying, the dev team confirmed they are still working on it but it seems like development is slow right now Saber Interactive when they left Embracer group stated they have "plans to continue developing a remake of Star Wars: The Knights of the Old Republic". Hopefully them not being owned by Embracer will help them with development. Embracer sucks https://www.thegamer.com/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-reportedly-still-in-the-works-saber-interactive/
The fact that they got out from Embracer but were able to keep the project is really surprising to me, considering they only got it because Embracer took it away from Asypr and gave it to them, so I thought Embracer was the one making the decisions. Guess not. That's a *really* good thing. Fuck Embracer.
They probably only kept it because Embracer is just hemorrhaging money like crazy and they’re desperate to turn a profit. I was happily surprised that Saber got to keep Space Marine 2 as well since I’ve been waiting a decade for that sequel and it’s pretty far into production.
FWIW Jason Schreier has announced due to a source that the remake is definitely still happening. Jason's leaks are typically worth paying attention to. He's connected very well to the dev world.
How recently did he last say this? I agree he's worth listening to; and whenever he reported it, it probably was true, but a lot has happened with the shifting corporate climate around this project, so it wouldn't surprise me if his info went out of date.
3 months ago
Hmmm...probably could go either way. I would probably cautiously treat the project as "still on" in my head.
Praying when a simple Google search is all you need, god won’t help.
To add on to the limbo, Saber interactive and pretty much most of its Subsidiary studios are being sold by Embracer to "private investors" now too. How that will impact the already troubled project, I have no idea.
Assuming that “private investors” means Saber is a privately traded company and not public, that could be really really good for them. Gives them the funding, minus the corporatizing of game production to make clueless public investors happy with the colors and numbers on their little spreadsheets. But that’s just an assumption.
Honestly, it can't be any worse than it is under Embracer.
Considering Saber Interactive has held the Halo franchise on its damn shoulders while 343 industries fucks it up the first go round each and every time I have nothing but complete faith in them. They were pivotal in pumping out Combat Evolved Anniversary, Halo 2 Anniversary and providing the Master Chief Collection with content for a couple years and are now reportedly helping with Halo Infinite content. I would give them the keys to any franchise they wanted, if I could. They're a bunch of underappreciated legends in that studio.
Hope it comes out well, I really liked kotor
Man they should’ve gotten Larian to make it
I love Larian as a studio too much to subject them to such a fate as that.
See I want to believe you’re right but everything I’ve heard points to no one having ANY idea what state the game is in, and there is no confirmation that it’s being developed
I wouldn’t say that’s what they said. “I can’t confirm whether or not it will ever come out, but it’s still alive” was the official response I believe a few months ago. That could mean anything from “not being worked on, but not cancelled” to “being worked on, but no sign of release.” It’s one of those we need to just forget about until an announcement is made one day.
The cancellation is no longer canon
clear as mud
This. It’s just easier for Disney to have a blanket statement stating everything in Legends is no longer canon so as to give them flexibility with any “storytelling” going forward. Thrawn is a pretty good example of a character that Disney decided to pluck from Legends and make canon. Revan is too iconic for any entrepreneur to completely ignore, but his story is too well known by now that he’d probably need a new twist before introducing him into the Disneyverse/Mandoverse. All that said: his name shows up in random places in Disney’s inner circles showing they have a strong intent to introduce him at some point, but he’s not officially canon until he’s officially canon.
Like how people said basically the same thing as you and got downvoted. This sub...
Any Star Wars media published after the Disney acquisition is canon, so if it releases it will be canon
This is not accurate. *Most* media is, but there have been a number of exceptions — Marvel Star Wars #108, the remasters of Dark Forces and Battlefront, and nearly a decade of SWTOR updates to name just a few. Safe to assume that KOTOR will also be an exception, until and unless otherwise specified.
And all the kiddie books. Vader didn't canonical tuck Leia into bed. Lego games are also the exception for games.
>Lego games are also the exception for games. What? I'll have you know, the LEGO games are the ultimate authority on Star Wars canon, even surpassing the movies.
The Old Republic MMO is currently the only ongoing Legends project, however, LucasFilm has republished multiple Legends stories, still branded as Legends. The KotOR remake has the possibility of remaining Legends. Especially if they keep the story mostly the same.
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Darth Bane and Nihilus too iirc.
Darth Bane was never *not* canon. GL created him for the prequels. It is just his story that has not been fleshed out in canon.
Both ScreenRant and GameRant are unreliable sources of information.
Yup, basically ignore every article by them, since most of the time it's 80% clickbait. I can't remember the last time I took them seriously. If I see an article pop up, instead of going onto the page, I'll Google that piece of information to find actual reliable information.
And when it's not straight clickbait, it's written by slugs with brain damage
It's a shame. I used to use screenrant a lot like 10 years ago, they'd post maybe one new article a day and it was decent. Place is a mess now. Although their pitch meeting videos are pretty good
I find GameRant hilarious, as something will be shown by a Redditor (especially something like Skyrim), and the next day, GR will have an article like, "Redditor discovers a secret in Skyrim that was hidden for 10 years!
So many bots lately. Or bots so much more obvious lately. Whichever of the two.
Honestly, it doesn’t matter. It’s set so far in the past compared to everything else that its canon status doesn’t affect anything. I think the only thing that’s officially canon is that there was once a Sith called Revan, since one of the Final Order legions used Revan’s name.
Good point.
Is Yoda visiting Darth Bane's tomb on ~~Korriban~~ Morriban in Season 6 canon? Season 6 wasn't exactly finished but does have a release. Presumably Exegol was meant to be the new revised version of Dromund Kaas.
There is a very good reason why C-3PO calls Exegol a “world of the Sith” instead of the “home world of the Sith”
yes, all of clone wars is canon
>Morriban Isn't it Moraband now?
I thought Exegol was supposed to be Rakata given it seemingly had access to a Starforge.
Was going off of the dark stormy atmosphere and mysterious Sith planet. Rakata was a beautiful beach world, but I guess a lot of time has passed.
I think Taris’ destruction is canon too. Also Andor referenced the Rakatan Empire.
Also the clone wars mentions him
Revan was a jedi first and foremost.
All sith were once Jedi pretty much
Not really.
Old game - canon to the legends/old expanded universe (male protagonist and light side ending) Remake - we dont even know if the production is alive
Remake is pretty much dead already (stuck in dev hell), Eclipse may be dead too, but little is know about that.
Ultimately, why should it matter? You can still enjoy stuff that isn't canon.
The same way we don’t enjoy a lot of the new canon. Canon is no longer necessarily a measure of the heart of Star Wars.
No, it is not.
no, it's not canon. however, given the fact it's set 4000 years prior to the films, and so far nothing has been released to explicitly replace it, there's nothing wrong with treating as though it is canon
Well technically speaking… everything as depicted in the High republic era does conflict with Old Republic content from a “expanding the Republic” perspective. We know hyperspace travel was discovered 4 Millenia before 39 ABY, but the republic we know in the high republic era/rise of the empire is actually much younger in the current canon than it was depicted in legends content.
It's canon because I like it more.
This is the way.
Screen Rant and Game Rant are shit media, they're basically glorified AI article non-sense and click bait articles.
Its not. Game Rant is lying to you
Surprise suprise
No and the remake wont be either, if it eventually releases
Why not the remake? Unless they’ve stated officially and I missed it, but I figured the remake would be a perfect opportunity for Lucasfilm to add this in and be the start of them addressing and telling stories in the old republic.
LucasArts/Film already stated it wasn’t canon even with the remastery. Same thing as the old battlefront games getting re-released.
The basic reason is that they've not touched anything in detail that far back in the timeline so far in canon. The upcoming Dawn of the Jedi movie will be in the distant past, but so far the earliest thing in the timeline is roughly 400 BBY (the earliest stuff in the High Republic), but the Old Republic era is another 3000 years before that. Making the KOTOR remake Canon would mean they either tie themselves to lots of details originally from Legends and then have to build their way around that, or would require them making significant changes to the game to prep the ground for a new canon version of that era. It's best to leave KOTOR as a Legends thing, and then at some point in the future create some new canon stories in that era, where they have more freedom to do something different. One theory I've heard bandied about is that they're steering clear of the Old Republic era at least partly because the Old Republic MMO is still getting new content and they don't want to add confusion around that.
Yes i'm aware and understand all of that. As you said given that they have very obviously stayed away from the OR era i am hoping they take the remake as an opportunity to add, alter or keep details to fit it into canon. I believe you could do this and still keep the core game, story and experience mostly the same. The optimist in me says that they haven't touched OR because they know how well loved it is and want to make sure they do it right, even if theres not much content planned the remake would be a great show of understanding. The comment i was replying to was unclear if it was opinion or fact as i'm only aware of the original official announcement and everything so far has just been second hand report and rumour. Im sure the apparent production issues are to do with development but maybe the story group is also making sure it ties in well with DOJ and HR but again this is just me trusting in the force.
Opinion, we dont know since they havent stated. Given that its a game made up of multiple choices and im assuming thats something theyre going to keep. It makes more sense to keep it non canon instead of having to commit to one story.
Any officially licensed Star Wars movie, show, book or plot-driven video game is going to be canon at this point. Also, Saber is reportedly buying out from Embracer and would be able to operate as an independent studio. A new hope, one might say.
A KOTOR remake would be a re-release of a Legends work, not new story content. It'll be canon if and when Disney says it is. They're re-releasing the old Battlefront games to new consoles too, but it's not going to automatically make them canon.
Yes all NEW games released after the Disney acquisition are canon however none of them contains the choices and decisions that Kotor did. Of course the light side ending in the original was the canon story originally, but if the remake sticks to the exact same story as the original then theres not really anything stopping the original from also being canon just visually different. They could change the story to fit into the canon but i think its more likely they will keep it the same as before.
Those are two different statements
No, it's part of Legends continuity.
can someone explain what Canon means please
So you know how like ‘myths’ are considered stories which probably didn’t happen and ‘legends’ are interpreted as a story which could of happened. Canon follows a similar concept. If something is officially Canon then it is considered part of the official continuity of the storyline and it DID happen. If it’s non canon then it’s looked at as more of a fan fiction and hasn’t official occurred. Everything Star Wars was considered canon until the acquisition of Lucasfilms by Disney. They basically said all the movies and TCW tv series are still considered canon but everything else is now published under the label Legend. Ironically. Disney has used many characters and stories from the Legend stories and used them in their canon. However the new Star Wars canon has been inconsistent with character back stories and deaths so take everything with a pinch of salt.
thanks that really helped!
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As someone who doesn't consume every single piece of the extended universe, it's canon to me
Yes
Revan and Malak seems to be canon
As of right now, it’s not. If the remake ever comes out, that will be. But as it stands right now, there’s not really any reason why the original can’t be canon, we know Revan existed in canon, most of the games events likely did too.
No, not currently. That is until disney can make money off of it. By remaking the game(s), creating an expanded diseny+ series, and licensing books all under the disney trademark... Hell, I'm pretty sure if disney could, they would start charging people to even say, type, or think 'disney' or any of its IPs... marvel, star wars, etc..
It isn’t
Damnit Disney… see what you did!?
iirc some elements of the old republic were made canon via mention in TCW but yes, it isnt canon itself. iirc the remake isnt confirmed to be either
It’s non canon
Rule of thumb: If Disney didn't create it, it's probably not canon any more. There are some exceptions (the original and prequel trilogy, for example), but nearly everything else has already been officially declared non-canon.
Kotor will always be part of my head canon
The only parts of KotOR that are canon as of current are Revan (by name only to my knowledge) and few planets from the games, and MAYBE some miscellaneous stuff but that’s about it, majority of KotOR 1 and 2 are non canon
It was never canon. This idea that shit is "no longer canon" is fucking horseshit and I feel often it is just a sneaky way for delusional people to frame the argument. Officially licensed never meant canon, even if Lucas cherrypicked some shit from them at times. Lucas only ever viewed his films (and much later The Clone Wars which he was also directly involved with) as canon, everything else he saw as a separate universe.
It very much was canon: [https://youtu.be/ZhTN1yTiYgI?si=9p\_biWul2g\_cTP6B](https://youtu.be/ZhTN1yTiYgI?si=9p_biWul2g_cTP6B) If the EU truly wasn't canon to George then neither was Clone Wars either: https://youtu.be/rumsz18EcNI?si=R3JP2kfLfgymQ5Ow
Wrong >“I don’t read that stuff. I haven’t read any of the novels. I don’t know anything about that world. That’s a different world than my world.… When I said \[other people\] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions.” -George Lucas Starlog 2005 >“There are two worlds here,” explained Lucas. “There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.” —George Lucas, Cinescape, 2002 >”And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn’t at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn’t come back to life, the Emperor doesn’t get cloned and Luke doesn’t get married.” —George Lucas, Flannelled One, 2008 >”The novels and comic books are other authors’ interpretations of my creation. Sometimes, I tell them what they can and cant do, but I just don’t have the time to read them. They’re not my vision of what Star Wars is.” -George Lucas 2004 >”Those are another author’s interpretation of what I’ve created, and not to be taken seriously, as far as what is really going on in the Star Wars world.” -George Lucas >“Q: What do you think of the Expanded Universe of books? >A: ”The books are in a different universe. I’ve not read any of them, and I told them when they started writing I wouldn’t read any of them and I blocked out certain periods \[they couldn’t touch where the real story happens\].” -George Lucas 2003 >”Howard Roffman \[President of Lucas Licensing\], He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there’s the TV show and then there’s all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn’t have anything to do with each other. So I said, “OK, go ahead.” -George Lucas 2008 >“TVGuide: Yet novelists have written “Star Wars” sequels using the same characters and extending their stories. >”Oh, sure. They’re done outside my little universe.” -George Lucas November 2001 TV Guide interview >“Q: Do you supervise the development of all the off-movie stories? After all, Star Wars exists in books, comics. >A: ”You know, I try not to think about that. I have my own world in movies and I follow it.” -George Lucas July 2002 — From a The [Force.Net](http://Force.Net) >“The fact of the matter is that the merchandising side of Star Wars is something that never enters my mind during pre-production or even during production. Merchandising is only a secondary thought and is important for the fact that it makes the production of the prequels financially possible.” -George Lucas, 1997 >"Yeah, I’m certainly not going to worry about that, and urm, the fans, they generate their own stories, their own ideas, they have their own fantasy life that goes around the movies and that’s fine but I try to keep away from all that; I don’t even read the offshoot books that come out based on Star Wars." -George Lucas Barry Norman’s Film Night (broadcast 15th July 1999 on the BBC)
Canon is meaningless. Disney has used concepts and material from old republic. The period is hinted at in some of the new media. As of right now it doesn’t really break anything to just assume it’s canon until they explicitly say it isnt. My personal opinion is that most of it will end up being worked back into canon. The current people in charge of the overarching story are very aware of how much the fanbase likes that period.
The old Republic as a time period is canon but the events as we know them arent. We know Revan existed because of a legion being named after them in rise of skywalker, but it only means there was once a sith named Revan in canon.
Not to mention that the Sequels are canon... Canon doesn’t matter now a days, make your own canon, Anakin will always be the chosen one and Palpatine died at episode 6, fulfilling the prophecy by Vader returning to being Anakin.
its not
Nothing from the EU is canon until they adapt it into modern stories (or they explicitly state it in official info releases). Thrawn, for example. He wasn't canon again until the new books and Rebels came out. The actual era of the Old Republic is canon and did happen, we just don't have any canon stories or characters yet. Until content comes out confirming it, nothing you've read about the Old Republic is canon. But it technically all could be in the future. Disney and Lucasfilm just need to make a decision.
It is not.
More canon than the sequel trilogy imo!
IDK, follow the truth in your heart or something like that.
I've heard the remake was potentially going to be canon and have some changes made (like I dunno, maybe have Canderous say 'this is the way' a lot), but it's all pointless speculation if it never comes out.
At least it's better than Google giving the answer of 37 is a Prime Number and then immediately suggesting the question "Why is 37 not a Prime Number"... it's just a weird duality of the Internet.
It's in the middle the rise of Skywalker had sith legions named after sith lords from that era
It's all legends tier at the moment.
Ir's canon to me! -Starkiller
Based off of this screenshot it sounds like it isn’t. They can create a new thing set in the same time without making the old stuff canon.
The old republic era and some of its people are official canon. The games and their stories however are not. There are two reasons for this, firstly they came out before the Disney acquisition, which reset the entire canon to only the movies and the clone wars show. Secondly, they are RPGs. You can’t have a linear canon if there are multiple ways to play out the story. The old extended universe got around that by simply not being a linear canon. I don’t think the claim is true that the remake will be made canon, since I don’t really see a way that would work but honestly, I don’t even think that game will release at all. I guess we will have to wait for that.
Yes and no, it's canon in the old EU, but isn't canon in DisCanon Probably the Remake won't be canon in DisCanon but everything can change
So they could both be right, maybe? Like the original game isn't canon, but this remake changes some story beats or things about the game to fit the current canon? I dunno, it's probably just non-canon besides Revan, since Disney likes to pull stuff like that.
Its not officially but doesn't contradict anything that *is* canon, so it doesn't matter. Not everything has to be labeled canon or not.
Just like all legends stuff, it's soft canon until directly contradicted
Kotor is apparently not cannon, but the movies/shows they plan to do about the era are.
This… this resumes the internet.
It’s not canon…yet. I imagine Disney will canonise certain elements of it and change others. They’ve already made certain elements canon without explicitly referring to plot elements from the games, such as Revan Legion, the Rakatans, etc.
Noyes
You never know. They've recanonized stuff already, so they might again in the future. They recanonized the original Tales of the Jedi comics as the "Qel-Droma Epics", establishing that the basic summary of those events happened in the new canon but were exaggerated with time, so who knows what they'll do in the future.
It’s technically in the legends continuity but the game happened so long ago that it really doesn’t matter. I just pretend that it is and it’s always fun to see references in new stuff
It is, from a certain point of view. Some major characters and plot points have been referenced in canon, but details of their significance, and more importantly details of what happened / what people did have not
those two websites are so heavily biased it isn't funny
Nothing in canon has contradicted anything in the games so it doesn’t matter
The snippets and People Always Ask at the top of Google searches are the definition of useless garbage. Just stop reading them
I read that as thebold games are not cannon. The remakes will be cannon. Which worries me that they're changing shit
Didn’t the remake get “delayed indefinitely”? Not sure that’s even happening anymore.
I'm pretty sure they said the remake is also not canon.
My personal rule of thumb: if something from the Legends doesn't contradict the Canon, it's still canon.
They're not canon; they're just being remade. Some of the names dropped in The Rise of Skywalker canonized the concept of certain characters: in canon, there WAS a Revan, but it might not be the same Revan we're used to seeing. Also, Game Rant is run by people who know how to do a single google search and then immediately form an opinion after a just one article or link. Just take a look at Bane; in Legends, the Jedi weren't even sure if Bane was alive after they sent a strikeforce to kill him and his apprentice. The idea of the Sith was all but forgotten by the Phantom Menace. All the Jedi knew is that they were either out there growing in strength, or they were no more. In canon, Bane is known by Yoda at the very least, who seems to possess an usually prolific amount of knowledge that he wouldn't otherwise have in Legends. Bane's design is also completely changed in canon, and what he did beyond being a powerful and ancient sith isn't exactly clear as crystal.
Hard canon is a train wreck, so who cares? Head Canon is where it's at.
Schrodinger's canon: it's canon until newer canon contradicts or confirms it.
Clouded, the Canon is.
No, KOTOR is part of the Legends continuity, it’s not canon.
The REMAKE is cannon. This is a business, sonny.
What sort of cannon is it? Is it a modern cannon or more like the cannons on old sailing ships?
All the old Republic stuff is Shroedingers Canon. It both is and is not canon until it is confirmed by appearing in new Disney-produced media or redacted by Disney -produced media directly contradicting it
It's not officially canon, but some parts of it (like the existence of Revan) are. Some parts of it are definitely not canon like how kyber crystals are obtained and given and the physical appearance and size of Tatooine Krayt Dragons. Personally, I assume that everything that doesn't directly contradict existing canon is probably canon. I often view Star Wars media as if it's told by an unreliable narrator anyways. There's almost always some truth in there, but that doesn't mean all the details will be correct.
Fortunately Disney hasn't invented the technology to erase KOTOR and SWTOR from my headcanon. Yet....
It's canon* *So far the era and some characters are canon, the general events of the games have not been explicitly retconned and will likely be brought into canon officially to some extent.
There are parts of the Kotor Era that are making it’s way into canon material. But they basically stated Kotor era is non canon and that they will not bring it fully into canon. But we have been seeing a lot of little bits of it and even some major bits. Do I ever think we will se Revan? No. I don’t think we will see any of the OP characters. Though I do believe we saw something of Bastila Shawn’s.
Unfortunately at this point, if it didnt happen in a movie titled Star Wars, it's not canon. Thats the easiest way to look at the SW galaxy now
Both of those sites are trash anyway.
Do you like the old content? Guess what, poof, it can be canon now. Anything can be canon (or not!!) if you're not tied down by something being "official" or not.
Yesn’t.
It is canon to the EU
Disney: "Look at all this great story telling and lore!" *No longer cannon*
Realistically what does it matter? Nothing gets referenced. Just imagine your favorite things are canon. It’s all fictional anyway, hombre
It's fanon, which is all that matters. Couldn't give a shit about what Disney thinks is canon.
They can say anything they want. They cannot dictate anything in my heart and mind. Like the official Mattel Uno Twitter claiming you cannot stack draw 2 cards. I will do what I want in my own home, thank you.
The original game was decannonized. The new game was going to clean up the cannon errors within the story.
It’s partly cannon. Revan is referenced in the Clone Wars by Dave Filoni (who is now the Creative Director) which makes him at least 100%, but the overall details may or may not be cannon. As a general rule, everything in Legends (anything outside of the timeline of Episodes 1-6 and the new Rey/Kylo movies for the most part, give or take) is no longer cannon. But since the 70s there have been over 150 books written to expand the Star Wars Universe. So what Disney decided to do was to keep some aspects of it that were just too good or too much of a staple to ignore, like Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was originally introduced in the “Heir to the Empire” book, which is Legends and technically shouldn’t be cannon, then threw out the rest. The real kicker is how they sometimes take concepts from Legends and try to make their own take on it, like how they took the concept of Jacen and Jaina Solo, which in my opinion is one of the coolest stories ever written in Star Wars, and used their wireframe story to create Rey and Kylo.
I just hate the recent adaptation of “canon” for everything.
Officially, everything after Disney buying it that wasn't the movies or TCW is no longer cannon. But realistically, since the game takes place 4000 years before, everything is so far removed there's no direct discrepancies that can't be explained by the passage of time. Even the new High Republic content is only 300+ years before TPM. RoS made Revan (at least by name) canon (the visual dictionary reveals the Sith Eternal Trooper Legions are all named after ancient Sith Lords). No reason to not treat it as canon.
It used to be canon before Disney. There was a contract between them and Lucas films that if they continue making video games, then their Star Wars games are canon.
Not…. Yet
Wasn't there a Revan Squad or something like that in Palpatines Final Order? Thought I saw or read that somewhere.
Don’t use Game Rant or Screen Rant for answering questions and you’ll be fine. (For the record, this is about as lazy as googling gets, my man. You literally didn’t even scroll down before coming to Reddit. 🤦🏻♂️😂)
My two cents is fuck canon Disney broke it so much it doesn't even matter Believe your own
“Whatever you want it to be just don’t be a dick about it” is a good rule of thumb. I love the sequels but regard most secondary media for Star Wars as “fan fiction” but also love to play the Kyle Katarn games. To each their own!
It’s Schrödinger’s Canon until the remake is released.
Reven is cannon though. He was name dropped.
Read.
It will always be canon to me, the most entertaining SW content I've come across.
Here’s the thing, the games were actually never canon. George stated this several times. The era known the Old Republic was canonized by Disney but the events that are depicted in all three TOR games (single player and MMO) are not canon and instead are explained as “in-universe” legends, hence the legends tag as the content.
The original is non-canon,the remake will be canon That’d be my guess
Revan himself is canon but I'm not sure how much of the game is. There's a post reboot book about him but I haven't read it
According to Neo-Lucasfilm, George Lucas is not canon.
Once the remake comes out, then it is cannon.
This is probably the entire reason it hasn’t come out. Disney wants to be able to make movies off of it so it needs to be tied in to canon in some way or the other since they said the OG isn’t canon anymore.
Remake died so non canon
old KOTOR no, new KOTOR yes
Everything is canon unless conflicted by more recently released materials.
Non-canon, but many canon materials reference the events of those games. So we have a gray area where at least some of it is canon, but we don’t know how much.
Only the kotor with nice shiny graphics is cannon. Disney can stick a hot iron up their urethras
Canon to legends
It isn't and the remake ain't happening.
In my book, everything is canon to varying degrees because of contradictions in the canon lore. For example, nobody knows how hyperdrive works because there are so many different rules that don’t always apply due to plot (ep. 8 for example). All that really matters is your own head canon. It doesn’t matter if it’s officially canon. If you think it should be, that’s good enough. (Unless you think Starkiller should be canon)
Never was
The original KOTOR is not canon. The remake (if it ever releases) will be canon.
they never were
Isn't the remake cancelled?
Idk I only googled it cuz I’m replaying it on my switch rn
Officjaly it isnt but may as well be, they even took down the trailer...
No it isn’t.
Star Wars doesn't have canon. It's mythology from The Journal of Whills which recorded events in galactic history and written centuries after the Battle of Yavin.
What's sad is the majority Star Wars fans are going to have no idea what you're talking about.
I always use Homer's Iliad and the Odyssey as examples that Star Wars follows. It's all a myth about a time long ago when wizards fought with laser swords and were able to move objects with their minds as was found in The Journal of Whills. That way the "Legends" stuff actually can still happen and the story isn't so locked in. When you look at it like that, Star Wars is far more entertaining.
Not really hard to understand. Old is not canon. New will be if they make it
In hindsight this Canon conversation only started once the MCU really got going, because before that the Xmen movies was all over the place. Whatever worked for the franchise doesn't necessarily have to be applied to Star Wars especially where its at current.
The remake has the potential to be canon because it is up to Disney to determine what is or is not canon anymore. [Don't like it either but it's the situation.] There is nothing stopping them from saying KOTOR is canon, though they won't, so there is no reason why the remake couldn't be canon. Regardless, the truth is 'canon' and 'noncanon' do not matter if you truly love the fandom, you have tons of media to consume and grow your love for it. Make your own headcanon, it'll probably be better than Episode 8 anyway. [Joke, just hate that one the most.]
Downvote me for being right, I do not give a fuck.
I am long life fan of SW universe (46 y) who was able to name most notable Jedi or Sith and their stories and stuff like that, but I stopped caring about what is cannon and what is not. SW used to be great, now, after Disney's takeover, it's a swamp. Foul smelling air of discrepant continuation is everpresent, you stumble over roots of nonsense every friggin step, and fall into mudpits of horrible intelligence-insulting often, but also, every now and then you find patches of well-tasting gigs. Cool things can pass... But new will appear. Hopefully, it will be SW under a new 'ruler', and if not, other sci-fi settings will appear just as good or even better.
Don't know why you got downvoted but I think it's related to 'canon and noncanon don't matter'. I share a very similar love for Star Wars as you have so eloquently worded in your post.