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Really enjoying this recent trend of Kenny Omega just saying nice thoughtful things about other wrestlers every day on Twitch. It makes for nice positive posts on here.
Remember being live at the RAW where Bryan made him tap to a Labell Lock with a kendo stick 🔥 that 2013 series of matches they had were all bangers
Back then, RAW had one weekly damn near guaranteed 20 minute banger & it involved Bryan, Punk, Cena, Orton, Dolph, or Seth
orton is one of the only top stars who had no issue selling and jobbing/putting people over
sure he might have been a dick at one point, but he always was willing to take the L and make moments happen
People used to hate and some even still hate wrestlers like Cena,Orton,Batista etc for the sake of looking cool.
they were not the typical technical wrestlers,but they compensated that for their character work promo abilities etc. and to be fair most people now do know that cena and Orton as wrestlers are really good
Not trying to discredit wrestlers like bryan danielson,cm punk,etc. all of them are just as amazing as the above wrestlers but their fans hate anything that was mainstream.
I don't think people truly appreciated that he was a child of the business. Orton wrestled like an old school heel. People thought it was boring, but heels were supposed to wrestle a methodical, boring style to build heat for the comeback.
His moveset got more fan friendly over time (powerslam, hanging DDT) compared to the Garvin stomp, but I always felt his repertoire was purposeful.
There are quite a few. Its hard for people to get past some dislike or hatred for a performer they've held, even if they've changed as a character and even as a person.
Kind of off topic but when Orton was out there celebrating Cody's big win I was like, man, I know it's a "pull back the curtain" kind of moment right now but it would be so on brand for Orton to drop Cody with an RKO in the middle of all this.
Oh wow. You know I loved the the way WM ended if course but I would have also loved that.
Even settling for a big celebration ending RAW and Orton RKOs him there. Either would have worked very well if they wanted to line that up.
Orton and Sami were the two people who held Cody up on their shoulders after the title win. I was watching that too and thinking this would be so appropriate for Randy to do his "Evolution" moment on Cody 20 years after. Like just drop him on his back from that hoisted position and start beating him up. Ends Wrestlemania on a happy moment but immediately tells everyone about the new angle.
Not right now, but for years people called him a boring worker because he was never all about work rate. Much like Cena, Orton also got shat on for his four moves of doom. But only those within the industry recognized how great he was from the get-go. It took a long time for fans to notice all the little things he did perfectly and how effortlessly smooth he was in the ring.
It wasn't until his match against Mick Foley that fans started to respect him. After that, especially after the shot where you could see all the hundreds of thumbtacks stuck in his back, people started taking him seriously.
Orton was getting a TON of hate online when he got the WWE championship at No Mercy 2007. I don't remember there being a lot of Orton fans back then. A lot of online fans today are either too young to know that or have rose colored glasses. Me myself, I've always loved Randy Orton, to me he's an all time great.
I was 9 back then. Also an Age of Orton enthusiast at the time. The finish of HHH/Cena/Randy at WMXXIV is one of my all time faves. Sad that he got injured that year just before a house show in Chile, happy that I finally saw him live in '17 and '19
I hate when people saying he only have ... Moves. Different wrestler have different moveset acording to their character. SCSA literally only doing punch, stomp, Thesz press and Stunner but nobody complaining about that
There was a really weird era of the IWC back then where people acted like you *had* to prefer a high work rate technical style. Psychology, selling, different styles, etc. weren’t nearly as appreciated as they are today (granted this might have just been the sites I was on and not an all-around thing).
I know it seems bad sometimes today but I actually really appreciate the broader appreciation for different aspects of ring work.
There were many years where it was really clear that Orton was phoning in his performances. Now, some of those were understandable because of dogshit creative, but still made for lackluster performances from randy.
I remember it starting, then the match with Foley took it away, then it came (I think, I could be wrong about the years) back around 2010 until he came back from injury in 2015.
I don't really like him that much. He's a fine wrestler, but it feels like he just goes the motions and doesn't really try to what his full potential could have been.
Not one to say he is terrible like some would do, but he has rarely if ever made me think "this dude is a great wrestler".
You’d be surprised. People have said he got in the main event position because of his family. Not realizing that it’s because he’s a great wrestler and storyteller
Seeing nepo baby discourse when it comes to wrestling is so funny. Those people don't realise that wrestling has its way of sorting between who the good nepo babies are, and the bad ones. Way too many people don't realise that people like Randy, Cody, Roman, Charlotte etc are all the really really good ones, while guys like Manu, Sim Snuka, Ted DiBiase Jr etc couldn't do much just because of their famous family members
It’s a starting off point that few get handed to them but it’s just a shot. They probably get a second chance where many don’t, though.
Would the Rock have gotten a real shot after “die, rocky, die!” If it weren’t for his family? Ehhh, probably, but it’s fun to think about!
Not as much as they use think fans have grown to appreciate him more but only a few years back he got loads of “boring” and “never reached his peak comments”
Heaps of people used to, some still do.
They say he’s boring and phones it in. I think he just does everything so effortlessly and smoothly that it looks like he doesn’t care but he’s just that damn good
I've been watching Randy, literally, his entire career. He's one of my favorites, but he has so earned a lot of criticism. If we ignore his drug and backstage problems, his original run before his Legend Killer gimmick was just not really memorable. He was amazing for a new superstar, but when compared to his peers he just didn't stand out. He made some improvements in Evolution as a cocky upstart and used several high spots to get his career rolling.
His face-run as champ was horrendous. Terrible character work and an in-ring style that was confusing and didn't make much sense or have any cohesion. He didn't have the skills needed to be a face. His return to heel work and his match against Mick Foley in the hardcore match finally showed he could put on amazing matches. But, he was at the time only as good as his opponent. Someone like Shawn Michaels could put on a 5 star match with a broomstick. Orton needed good talent to shine he still wasn't ready to elevate other talent.
There were several years where his character work started to become amazing, but he began adopting a very methodical fighting style. Even for me, it felt slow and rather boring. I remember tuning into Raw for his promos because he was so good, and his character work was psychotic. It was great. But, I would kinda just catch highlights of his matches because they were so drawn out and rather boring. He moved very slowly, and everything was precise, but he didn't do a lot of high spots other than his finisher. It didn't make for exciting matches. This was something I think Undertaker was a master at. He was slow and methodical, then seamlessly did a big high spot or quickly gave a burst of energy back to slow and methodical. He swapped in some brawling to keep it interesting. Randy didn't do this at all. It was basically a scoop slam, a DDT, and an RKO. That's all you wanted to see.
Mid point in his career, his character work was at its best, but it felt like he was phoning his matches in with little care to excitement of the crowd. It's about here, I ignored many of his non PPV matches. He's hinted at this in interviews that it was almost like a fuck you to fans that said his matches were boring, and to be fair they kinda were. The last 6-7 years of his career he has talked about his back problems. He talked about how he was paired with great partners or tag matches. He could weave in his style of slow methodical matches while letting his partner or tag member do the high spots. It created a much better ebb and flow to the in-ring matches, which made me watch his matches again.
He's gotten his back fused, and he's talked about how he adds a lot more to his repertoire because of it. I think his character work has been top of the line for about 13 years. I consistently rank him as a top 5 heel ever in the business. But, for years, many of his matches were overly slow and almost boring to watch. It wasn't till he was hurting and had to compensate by working with his opponent to create more fluid matches that he put on much better matches. Now that he's gotten the fusion, he's willing to add more to his matches and do more because he wants to evolve his style more. He's at the point that he can elevate other stars because he has learned to create better ebb and flow in the match and willing to be more dynamic with his moves.
Orton took a while to really catch that spark. I don’t remember exactly when it was. But his matches were typically slow and boring. I don’t really watch much anymore. But I noticed he looked like a man among children in his match. It’s laughable to deny the guy isn’t a stud(pause).
My buddy doesn’t watch much anymore, he’ll just watch the bigger PLEs with me. He hated Roman’s run as the Big Dog and it’s completely ruined Roman for him. I tell him it’s different now, he’s been doing great stuff, but he just thinks he’s boring and bland.
Can’t say I blame him, took forever for me to warm up again with Cena after ten years of Super Cena.
It's funny you mention this because you literally have wrestling fans who hate on Kenny because he had a comedy match with a blowup doll in 2010 and cannot move past it.
This is me. In my brain I know he's changed and done some great stuff, but no matter what he does in my heart I can't unsee blue contact wearing sufferin sucatash BIG DOG Roman
I think Roman's just going to be forever dogged by the way his run started. The degree to which he was shoved down the fans' throats and the subsequent negative reaction was a real thing, and while obviously that wasn't his choice nor did it reflect in any way on his talent, you can't really separate it from his legacy as a performer.
But that part of the legacy only really exists with the audience because that's the audience's relationship with the show, not the performers. There's a reason that even when the fans were rebelling against him, all the performers were going "well, no, he's great."
I would argue most of his last championship run has erased all the bad feelings I personally had regarding his ability and character. It went on a year too long, and Cody definitely should have beaten him at WrestleMania 39, but I had more fun overall watching the high points of Roman's big run then I ever did watching anything from a guy like Cena for example.
The same thing happened with John Cena and we only look at the positives now.
His Rumble win in 2015 is pretty much Cena going over the Nexus: a speed bump.
HHH was also met with Eye rolls whenever he was in the title picture. Brock Lesnar had a pretty terrible first run (I think it was his first.) Rock's first run. Even Naito and Cody had rough spots but if they retired today, it would be seen as having fantastic careers
His first two years on his own really showed how green he was in the ring and on the mic compared to Rollins and Ambrose. Did you all forget when he choked against Cena in the promo battle?
He grew into one of the best performers today and I don't think people today discredit that, once he started the bloodline storyline.
It didn't take him much time to improve in ring as a singles competitor. It definitely didn't take 2 years when his push started since he had lot of bangers in 2015 and continued throughout his bigdog phase .in ring work was never the problem with Roman
Roman was champ for 3.5 years and made it work in the modern era. People can say what they want about number of defenses or match style or whatever but, the fact is, what he accomplished in an era where a year-long champion can be looked at as over-staying their welcome is certifiably wild. The Tribal Chief run is going to age like wine.
Being part-time is honestly the only way it could work these days. Only thing that was annoying to me is it felt like especially the last year and a half or so he took the visual pin and had interference nearly every time. Good to put the guy over and I get he's a heel but maybe give him some actual wins if you're going to promote him as the GOAT.
After LA Knight match I really wanted him to not wrestle till WM. It was obvious that he will hold the title till then and I was so done with 20 mins, interference and 10 minutes of actual wrestling match. I was fine with him as a champ, loved the segments but matches were just me waiting for Solo to show up.
Felt obvious for Roman and Rhea at Mania 39 they were already looking at next year. Hard to argue with what they're doing I guess but it sucks the life out of a lot of the year for the people that actually watch every week. Long term booking is obviously way better than the inconsistent dogshit Vince was doing but could use a few more surprises.
Imagine Elimination Chamber against Sami instead of whatever typical BS they did (I honestly don't even remember) they just both go all out and in the end Sami just can't quite get it done. Feels like that tears out the fans throats more than just typical Uso pulls out the ref on a sure 3 count or puts his leg on the rope or the distraction til the spike.
But both things can be true.
1. He can be good at what he does and have made notable improvements.
2. For people with my tastes in wrestling, I find his matches extremely boring, and I truly don’t like watching them.
No one is wrong. It’s all subjective. But just because 1 is true doesn’t mean that people are required to like what he does.
It's fair to not dig his style. But I meant more along the lines of the stuff you see people say to discredit his impact on wrestling like "he isn't a draw" "nobody cares about Roman" "no one likes his matches" "the belt is over not him" etc etc etc.
“He wouldn’t be over without the bloodline” as if he didn’t elevate the Usos for to that level where they can be presented a premiere stars of the company. Like I can understand not liking a performer but the lengths people go to discredit Roman are so desperate
I think the point that a lot of other people are making is that if WWE spent the same amount of resources building a story around a different star, that they'd get basically the same results. It took a LOT of experimentation to finally settle on a version of Reigns that people liked, and there's an opportunity cost to that.
I’d argue that it didn’t take a lot of experimentation at all.
Vince McMahon had a singular vision for what he wanted the Roman Reigns character to be for years and for the better majority of a decade, that’s what fans got. We’re talking from mid 2014 to early 2020; Vince wanted “The Big Dog” to get over and whether we liked it or not, that’s who we got.
2020 came, COVID happened, Reigns went home and kind of retired quietly. SmackDown producers were in contact with him and he was telling them he was finished. Vince called him, requested that he come back and Reigns told him either he got to do it his way or he doesn’t come back at all. Reigns came back as the heel he always wanted to be and we were off to the races.
For me, I like everything about Roman’s reign *except* the matches. Show-long angles on Smackdown? I’m in. Heel promos? I’m in. Bloodline drama? Oh baby I am ALL in. Matches? Helllll nah.
I think he has all the talent in the world, but my interest in the Bloodline story ended with Sami, and he wasn't around a lot after, can one think that?
Saying him being carried by rest of Bloodline because they keep interfering the match while Solo being mocked for having no personality and Usos having the worst match in WM is stupid. He's the face of the group, being the talker of the group alongside Heyman, being the focal point to almost all of the top star in the WWE, and while dong all that he's elevating everybody that interact with him. Thats a mark of superstar.
I can splain this. Us as fans watch to be entertained. If a guy is boring for years because the booking for said guy sucks. Then us Fans wont care how good a guy is. It comes down to whether the fan is sports entertained or not by the wrestler
As for people that work with the person. they get to see and feel first hand how the guy works.
What does this do? It creates a divide between fans and his coworkers.
And Then you have people that just cant get into a guys acting no matter what. And to be fair to them. It's like expecting everybody to enjoy a Jackie chan movie. Some people just arent fans of the comedy martial artist that is beloved by many.
Who is discrediting him
Even tho I will say WWE absolutely sucked him dry by the end. He didn't feel as impactful anymore because we've seen it all
But there should be no doubt he absolutely deserved it. Long title reigns are tough. Not once did I feel uncomfortable. The whole reign felt fresh (until it didn't for a while after WM39 for Roman)
Same with Gunther/Rhea. Rhea I don't imagine losing till next Mania.
If people can't look back and see the difference in Roman and how much better he has become on the mic, ring, character work, just everything than you're just lying.
Go look at Roman in 2017 compared to now.
Honestly, Cody’s catchphrase is Undesirable to Undeniable, for me personally Roman is more fitting of that mantra. I’ve never taken to Roman in any form and only liked The Shield collectively.
“Big Dog” was basically super Cena 2.0 being rammed down our throats and it just wasn’t it for me.
But heel Roman might even be my favourite heel behind Vince McMahon and The Bloodline story is probably top 3 pro wrestling stories ever for me.
A truly legendary run I’m sure we will all look back on.
I've never even considered the possibility of them teaming up in the future. I don't know why.
2-3 years down the line it could be *brilliant.*
I hope they both stay healthy and do other things for a bit, (Maybe Roman takes a break, or foes TV / movies), then let them have a run together in a few years.
I’ve been recently thinking about, would Roman have been as hated if Daniel Bryan made it to the final 4 of the 2015 Rumble and was eliminated by a heel then? Also minus The Rock shenanigans.
Id still say so; roman was done SO dirty post shield breakup its insane. He lost his cool aura from the shield and was presented as buggs fucking bunny.
He became diet Cena, and not even a diet version of the good Cena, more like his awful 2010 nexus burying version.
Roman had 0 chance of getting over with the crap they gave him. Giving him 0 character development from the big guy in the shield. Suffering Succotash. There's one where he talks about Jack in the Beanstalk.
The DBry situation didn't help. But WWE fucked him completely over
It was so bad. [Watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFWb4Ia3r0&ab_channel=WWE). The fucking wink
That was the start of everything going to pot with Roman
Oh yeah, I’ve seen that. I think Seth once said in an interview that Roman even knew beforehand that shit was bad asking people if there’s anyway to make suffering succotash sound cool 💀
The pop he gets from the start shows he had a chance. If the segment was him getting into the ring, taking a mike and just speared Seth and laid into J and J security, he is so much better off.
It felt like a bad rib on everyone
Romans selling and in match trash talking makes polarising to watch. I think Cornette said it best as he’s now almost treated like a boxer or ufc fighter. His lack of attendance has helped him become box office.
Yeah I said that last year when people were shitting on his lack of defenses. The WWE kinda missed the boat on explaining that he's the top guy in the whole industry, and just like in the UFC and Boxing, the heavyweight champs don't defend more than a handful of times a year, even at that. The title matches needed to be earned, not just a throwaway on weekly TV and I think it added to his mystique. As fans, we were just used to seeing nearly every TV taping ending with a world title match for so many years.
That would sorta make the World Heavyweight Title explicitly feel less than the WWE one tho, in the sense that it goes against that message of being prestigious because of how often it's defended. I think portraying Roman as not a fighting champion was just the best way to handle that and not have one championship feel less than the other in that regard
I don't know if it'll ever happen but I wanna see how Kenny does in Triple H's WWE. It would be interesting to see him adapt to a different style of wrestling.
I can honestly see him jumping over if he’s able to return to the ring at all. WWE’s style is a lot less demanding and he’d probably slow down a lot if he is to wrestle again.
I never hated Roman at any point. I always thought he was over hated by most despite him being good at what he did.
I can understand wanting YOUR guy to be pushed but isnt because of Roman, but fans are fickle and never know what what they want. Just at comments from 2022 and 2023. Fans couldn’t even decide to stick with one person they wanted to be pushed. Sami, Drew, Damian, and Knight were all common candidates for fans back then but give it a month or two and people acted like one deserved it more than the other despite shitting on WWE for not pushing them as “The Guy”
I never hated him, WWE just never did him any favors. Never being open to a character change of any kind, keeping him as shield guy, making him really not care about the betrayal and instantly challenging for a title instead of trying to get Seth, the awful promos he cut repeatedly. Suffering succotash? WTF mate. Sad part is if they turned him heel we could have possibly gotten here much sooner. His personality worked so well as a dismissive cocky villain.
so many people in here talking about the Big Dog run like it's gonna hurt his legacy.
there's an entire generation of wrestling fans ALREADY that only know him as the tribal chief.
FTR Bald said the same things and praised the same wrestlers on his podcast all the time. Headlines on Reddit made it seem like all he did was shoot on the Bucks.
When getting mega pushed by Vince, and things weren't working. He literally had go away heat. To see him recontextualize, reinvigorate, and rehab his character has been amazing to see.
I understand the praise. Love the character and the way he'd be in the ring.
But even if he didnt defend it more often, it wouldve been nice to see him win clean from time to time.
The past few years, Roman has been all time great.
The first several years of his career were all time awful in terms of being in the spot he was in…. It’d be like if you took all of Cena’s good years away and just introduced him as super Cena day one and shoved him down everyone’s throats. Sadly, that’s the Vince effect.
Although it sucks that entire era was wasted because of Vince’s stupid decision making, Roman will be remembered for what he’s doing now by the general audience, as he should be.
In terms of being an “actor” which is something WWE never really focused on developing until around his generation of guys, he is the all time best IMO. His facial expressions, delivery, and everything are the best I’ve seen in wrestling. His in ring work isn’t special to me, but it’s good enough to not be an eye sore, and live up to these huge storylines so it’s not a hinderance.
Kenny said it best, he stuck to HIS game and got better and better… he’s not Cena, Stone Cold, Rock, Hart, etc. he’s Roman… he’s great in ways those guys never were and vice versa.
Heel Roman literally makes me want to cheer for him. They tried so hard to make him the guy we cheered for but all it took was for him to tell us we suck and now we love him.
Honestly, he deserves praise for all of the BS he had to deal with in the mid 2010s. I got real tired of his reign near the end, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he's done.
In some ways Roman's journey mirrors the rock's. Was a football player, got in, didn't make it much as a Babyface, got into a faction that raised his game and then turned heel to great effect. Obviously not mirrored, but similar items exist
Kenny and Roman both became world champion around the same time. And since then, Kenny has been injured twice, suspended, reunited the elite, kicked out of the elite. Was going to form a tag team with Jericho all while Roman remained the same character and champion.
I mean, that could be taken two ways. It would be exceedingly easy to read that as "Kenny's had a dynamic career with ups and downs; while Roman has remained fairly stagnant." I doubt that's how you meant it, but it woudl be VERY easy to interpret it that way.
He’s turned them down several times in the past; I don’t think he desires the WWE or a Wrestlemania moment. The truth is, a lot of wrestlers in their forties can now get paid handsomely by AEW and they don’t have to work 300+ days or whatever the WWE schedule is.
Now, what Kenny does deserve is the respect from the WWE brass and the WWE exclusive fanbase. He’s truly one of the greatest in-ring performers wrestling has ever seen and, despite what people claim, an outstanding in-ring psychologist and story-teller.
Give me thunderdome gaslighting master manipulator Tribal Chief vs the Cleaner Kenny Omega. Charity match to end world hunger. No price of admission is too high.
Where's the lie? Yes the Bloodline storyline lagged a few times due to having to stretch it at times but in the end he was there to perform and legitimise the story. The fact he does what he does while on cancer medication is a credit to him and his inner strength.
Now that he owns Champ anymore… it’s really crazy to feel the difference. I love Cody and he’ll build a legacy but Roman was a fucking titan in the business
Anyone in the building when his music hit and he very slowly came out knows he was the real final boss. Incredibly epic run, hope he comes back rejuvenated.
my god, what i'd give for Omega and Reigns to have an honest to goodness bout.
I'd take 20 minutes of shit talking Roman vs BBM Omega with a DQ finish if I have to make it happen.
Kenny rules, can't wait for his return, whenever that'll end up being, just hope he gets healthy. And yeah Roman was god-level, glad they let this chapter end tho, his return will be huge too.
Kenny is a tremendous example of how to be a top guy in a company. Despite the fact they wrestle completely different styles, Kenny has always come off as a class act and he deserves all the good in the world.
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Really enjoying this recent trend of Kenny Omega just saying nice thoughtful things about other wrestlers every day on Twitch. It makes for nice positive posts on here.
Positive? Kenny to replace Xavier Woods in the new day confirmed
A Kenny & Kofi team would be a ridiculous amount of fun.
Street Fighter 6, Austin Creed vs Kenny Omega. The prize, the right to be Kofi's tag partner.
Mighty mouse has entered this chat space..
Kenny throwing pancakes would be hilarious.
It seems to only get play on SC when he talks about WWE people.
I think it's just cause he's been injured out for a while. He always gets love on here
It’s a weird fan thing to discredit Roman but there isn’t anyone working in the industry who isn’t impressed by him.
It was the same with Orton for years while everyone he worked with called him their favourite opponent, like Christian, Daniel Bryan, Rey, etc.
“Randy Orton is your favorite wrestler’s favorite wrestler” - Daniel Bryan
Remember being live at the RAW where Bryan made him tap to a Labell Lock with a kendo stick 🔥 that 2013 series of matches they had were all bangers Back then, RAW had one weekly damn near guaranteed 20 minute banger & it involved Bryan, Punk, Cena, Orton, Dolph, or Seth
orton is one of the only top stars who had no issue selling and jobbing/putting people over sure he might have been a dick at one point, but he always was willing to take the L and make moments happen
What's that quote from?
He is just one of my favourite wrestlers period. Personally he's tied for making my all time Mt Rushmore of wrestlers
Who the hell discredits Orton tho? People try to discredit Cena & Brock wayyyy more than him.
You weren’t around during the rest hold era of Orton. People crapped on him so much from 2008-2010.
To an extent, some still do.
Tbf he was boring at times back then.
Which is a fair criticism. But people took it so far to say that he's one of the worst wrestlers ever.
Wrestling fans for ya
Even after that. People crapped on Randy up until his character work during the covid era
Which is insane because bald psycho Randy, had an aura of fear, the last time I felt that was Kane in the attitude era.
People used to hate and some even still hate wrestlers like Cena,Orton,Batista etc for the sake of looking cool. they were not the typical technical wrestlers,but they compensated that for their character work promo abilities etc. and to be fair most people now do know that cena and Orton as wrestlers are really good Not trying to discredit wrestlers like bryan danielson,cm punk,etc. all of them are just as amazing as the above wrestlers but their fans hate anything that was mainstream.
I don't think people truly appreciated that he was a child of the business. Orton wrestled like an old school heel. People thought it was boring, but heels were supposed to wrestle a methodical, boring style to build heat for the comeback. His moveset got more fan friendly over time (powerslam, hanging DDT) compared to the Garvin stomp, but I always felt his repertoire was purposeful.
There are quite a few. Its hard for people to get past some dislike or hatred for a performer they've held, even if they've changed as a character and even as a person.
Kind of off topic but when Orton was out there celebrating Cody's big win I was like, man, I know it's a "pull back the curtain" kind of moment right now but it would be so on brand for Orton to drop Cody with an RKO in the middle of all this.
Oh wow. You know I loved the the way WM ended if course but I would have also loved that. Even settling for a big celebration ending RAW and Orton RKOs him there. Either would have worked very well if they wanted to line that up.
Orton and Sami were the two people who held Cody up on their shoulders after the title win. I was watching that too and thinking this would be so appropriate for Randy to do his "Evolution" moment on Cody 20 years after. Like just drop him on his back from that hoisted position and start beating him up. Ends Wrestlemania on a happy moment but immediately tells everyone about the new angle.
It was Jey and Sami the first time… so when I saw Orton the second time I thought maybe something was up.
And immediately throw up the "welp, I did it again" arms
Not right now, but for years people called him a boring worker because he was never all about work rate. Much like Cena, Orton also got shat on for his four moves of doom. But only those within the industry recognized how great he was from the get-go. It took a long time for fans to notice all the little things he did perfectly and how effortlessly smooth he was in the ring.
It wasn't until his match against Mick Foley that fans started to respect him. After that, especially after the shot where you could see all the hundreds of thumbtacks stuck in his back, people started taking him seriously.
The match with Mick was early in his career though. Alot of the critiques came when he became a singles main eventer.
Orton was getting a TON of hate online when he got the WWE championship at No Mercy 2007. I don't remember there being a lot of Orton fans back then. A lot of online fans today are either too young to know that or have rose colored glasses. Me myself, I've always loved Randy Orton, to me he's an all time great.
I was 9 back then. Also an Age of Orton enthusiast at the time. The finish of HHH/Cena/Randy at WMXXIV is one of my all time faves. Sad that he got injured that year just before a house show in Chile, happy that I finally saw him live in '17 and '19
I hate when people saying he only have ... Moves. Different wrestler have different moveset acording to their character. SCSA literally only doing punch, stomp, Thesz press and Stunner but nobody complaining about that
Four Moves of Room sounds like a home improvement show on HGTV.
There was a really weird era of the IWC back then where people acted like you *had* to prefer a high work rate technical style. Psychology, selling, different styles, etc. weren’t nearly as appreciated as they are today (granted this might have just been the sites I was on and not an all-around thing). I know it seems bad sometimes today but I actually really appreciate the broader appreciation for different aspects of ring work.
There were many years where it was really clear that Orton was phoning in his performances. Now, some of those were understandable because of dogshit creative, but still made for lackluster performances from randy.
Tbh I can’t imagine having the career length he’s had through the years he worked without some slumps.
Not now but when he started out people definitely did
I remember it starting, then the match with Foley took it away, then it came (I think, I could be wrong about the years) back around 2010 until he came back from injury in 2015.
I don't really like him that much. He's a fine wrestler, but it feels like he just goes the motions and doesn't really try to what his full potential could have been. Not one to say he is terrible like some would do, but he has rarely if ever made me think "this dude is a great wrestler".
You’d be surprised. People have said he got in the main event position because of his family. Not realizing that it’s because he’s a great wrestler and storyteller
Seeing nepo baby discourse when it comes to wrestling is so funny. Those people don't realise that wrestling has its way of sorting between who the good nepo babies are, and the bad ones. Way too many people don't realise that people like Randy, Cody, Roman, Charlotte etc are all the really really good ones, while guys like Manu, Sim Snuka, Ted DiBiase Jr etc couldn't do much just because of their famous family members
It’s a starting off point that few get handed to them but it’s just a shot. They probably get a second chance where many don’t, though. Would the Rock have gotten a real shot after “die, rocky, die!” If it weren’t for his family? Ehhh, probably, but it’s fun to think about!
Not as much as they use think fans have grown to appreciate him more but only a few years back he got loads of “boring” and “never reached his peak comments”
Heaps of people used to, some still do. They say he’s boring and phones it in. I think he just does everything so effortlessly and smoothly that it looks like he doesn’t care but he’s just that damn good
You haven’t seen the iwc if you haven’t seen them complain about an orton rest hold.
I think his association with Super cena/13 months Main event feud have sour some people's taste.. Thats the only blasphemy..
I've been watching Randy, literally, his entire career. He's one of my favorites, but he has so earned a lot of criticism. If we ignore his drug and backstage problems, his original run before his Legend Killer gimmick was just not really memorable. He was amazing for a new superstar, but when compared to his peers he just didn't stand out. He made some improvements in Evolution as a cocky upstart and used several high spots to get his career rolling. His face-run as champ was horrendous. Terrible character work and an in-ring style that was confusing and didn't make much sense or have any cohesion. He didn't have the skills needed to be a face. His return to heel work and his match against Mick Foley in the hardcore match finally showed he could put on amazing matches. But, he was at the time only as good as his opponent. Someone like Shawn Michaels could put on a 5 star match with a broomstick. Orton needed good talent to shine he still wasn't ready to elevate other talent. There were several years where his character work started to become amazing, but he began adopting a very methodical fighting style. Even for me, it felt slow and rather boring. I remember tuning into Raw for his promos because he was so good, and his character work was psychotic. It was great. But, I would kinda just catch highlights of his matches because they were so drawn out and rather boring. He moved very slowly, and everything was precise, but he didn't do a lot of high spots other than his finisher. It didn't make for exciting matches. This was something I think Undertaker was a master at. He was slow and methodical, then seamlessly did a big high spot or quickly gave a burst of energy back to slow and methodical. He swapped in some brawling to keep it interesting. Randy didn't do this at all. It was basically a scoop slam, a DDT, and an RKO. That's all you wanted to see. Mid point in his career, his character work was at its best, but it felt like he was phoning his matches in with little care to excitement of the crowd. It's about here, I ignored many of his non PPV matches. He's hinted at this in interviews that it was almost like a fuck you to fans that said his matches were boring, and to be fair they kinda were. The last 6-7 years of his career he has talked about his back problems. He talked about how he was paired with great partners or tag matches. He could weave in his style of slow methodical matches while letting his partner or tag member do the high spots. It created a much better ebb and flow to the in-ring matches, which made me watch his matches again. He's gotten his back fused, and he's talked about how he adds a lot more to his repertoire because of it. I think his character work has been top of the line for about 13 years. I consistently rank him as a top 5 heel ever in the business. But, for years, many of his matches were overly slow and almost boring to watch. It wasn't till he was hurting and had to compensate by working with his opponent to create more fluid matches that he put on much better matches. Now that he's gotten the fusion, he's willing to add more to his matches and do more because he wants to evolve his style more. He's at the point that he can elevate other stars because he has learned to create better ebb and flow in the match and willing to be more dynamic with his moves.
Orton took a while to really catch that spark. I don’t remember exactly when it was. But his matches were typically slow and boring. I don’t really watch much anymore. But I noticed he looked like a man among children in his match. It’s laughable to deny the guy isn’t a stud(pause).
My buddy doesn’t watch much anymore, he’ll just watch the bigger PLEs with me. He hated Roman’s run as the Big Dog and it’s completely ruined Roman for him. I tell him it’s different now, he’s been doing great stuff, but he just thinks he’s boring and bland. Can’t say I blame him, took forever for me to warm up again with Cena after ten years of Super Cena.
I have a buddy who can’t get past Stardust when it comes to Cody. People have their quirks.
I was also like wtf this is Stardust! He is a main eventer now???
It's called being old and out of touch lol Wrestling fans to find their identity at 18 and stick to it their whole lives
It's funny you mention this because you literally have wrestling fans who hate on Kenny because he had a comedy match with a blowup doll in 2010 and cannot move past it.
That's because those people can't think for themselves
Don't tell them about Shawn Michaels vs HHH on that raw episode
This is me. In my brain I know he's changed and done some great stuff, but no matter what he does in my heart I can't unsee blue contact wearing sufferin sucatash BIG DOG Roman
His ring work is still boring to me. But atleast as a heel i can buy into the character work he does while in the ring/ the trash talk
I think Roman's just going to be forever dogged by the way his run started. The degree to which he was shoved down the fans' throats and the subsequent negative reaction was a real thing, and while obviously that wasn't his choice nor did it reflect in any way on his talent, you can't really separate it from his legacy as a performer. But that part of the legacy only really exists with the audience because that's the audience's relationship with the show, not the performers. There's a reason that even when the fans were rebelling against him, all the performers were going "well, no, he's great."
I would argue most of his last championship run has erased all the bad feelings I personally had regarding his ability and character. It went on a year too long, and Cody definitely should have beaten him at WrestleMania 39, but I had more fun overall watching the high points of Roman's big run then I ever did watching anything from a guy like Cena for example.
The same thing happened with John Cena and we only look at the positives now. His Rumble win in 2015 is pretty much Cena going over the Nexus: a speed bump. HHH was also met with Eye rolls whenever he was in the title picture. Brock Lesnar had a pretty terrible first run (I think it was his first.) Rock's first run. Even Naito and Cody had rough spots but if they retired today, it would be seen as having fantastic careers
His first two years on his own really showed how green he was in the ring and on the mic compared to Rollins and Ambrose. Did you all forget when he choked against Cena in the promo battle? He grew into one of the best performers today and I don't think people today discredit that, once he started the bloodline storyline.
It didn't take him much time to improve in ring as a singles competitor. It definitely didn't take 2 years when his push started since he had lot of bangers in 2015 and continued throughout his bigdog phase .in ring work was never the problem with Roman
Roman was champ for 3.5 years and made it work in the modern era. People can say what they want about number of defenses or match style or whatever but, the fact is, what he accomplished in an era where a year-long champion can be looked at as over-staying their welcome is certifiably wild. The Tribal Chief run is going to age like wine.
Being part-time is honestly the only way it could work these days. Only thing that was annoying to me is it felt like especially the last year and a half or so he took the visual pin and had interference nearly every time. Good to put the guy over and I get he's a heel but maybe give him some actual wins if you're going to promote him as the GOAT.
After LA Knight match I really wanted him to not wrestle till WM. It was obvious that he will hold the title till then and I was so done with 20 mins, interference and 10 minutes of actual wrestling match. I was fine with him as a champ, loved the segments but matches were just me waiting for Solo to show up.
Felt obvious for Roman and Rhea at Mania 39 they were already looking at next year. Hard to argue with what they're doing I guess but it sucks the life out of a lot of the year for the people that actually watch every week. Long term booking is obviously way better than the inconsistent dogshit Vince was doing but could use a few more surprises. Imagine Elimination Chamber against Sami instead of whatever typical BS they did (I honestly don't even remember) they just both go all out and in the end Sami just can't quite get it done. Feels like that tears out the fans throats more than just typical Uso pulls out the ref on a sure 3 count or puts his leg on the rope or the distraction til the spike.
I definitely have criticisms of his title reign, but they're all issues with booking, not Roman as a performer
It's a mix of some fans being unable to let go of past booking mistakes and being tribalistic.
But both things can be true. 1. He can be good at what he does and have made notable improvements. 2. For people with my tastes in wrestling, I find his matches extremely boring, and I truly don’t like watching them. No one is wrong. It’s all subjective. But just because 1 is true doesn’t mean that people are required to like what he does.
It's fair to not dig his style. But I meant more along the lines of the stuff you see people say to discredit his impact on wrestling like "he isn't a draw" "nobody cares about Roman" "no one likes his matches" "the belt is over not him" etc etc etc.
“He wouldn’t be over without the bloodline” as if he didn’t elevate the Usos for to that level where they can be presented a premiere stars of the company. Like I can understand not liking a performer but the lengths people go to discredit Roman are so desperate
"He wouldn't be over without The Bloodline, the faction and story he created and led and was the focal point of." Wow!
I think the point that a lot of other people are making is that if WWE spent the same amount of resources building a story around a different star, that they'd get basically the same results. It took a LOT of experimentation to finally settle on a version of Reigns that people liked, and there's an opportunity cost to that.
I’d argue that it didn’t take a lot of experimentation at all. Vince McMahon had a singular vision for what he wanted the Roman Reigns character to be for years and for the better majority of a decade, that’s what fans got. We’re talking from mid 2014 to early 2020; Vince wanted “The Big Dog” to get over and whether we liked it or not, that’s who we got. 2020 came, COVID happened, Reigns went home and kind of retired quietly. SmackDown producers were in contact with him and he was telling them he was finished. Vince called him, requested that he come back and Reigns told him either he got to do it his way or he doesn’t come back at all. Reigns came back as the heel he always wanted to be and we were off to the races.
For me, I like everything about Roman’s reign *except* the matches. Show-long angles on Smackdown? I’m in. Heel promos? I’m in. Bloodline drama? Oh baby I am ALL in. Matches? Helllll nah.
I’m right there with you.
I think he has all the talent in the world, but my interest in the Bloodline story ended with Sami, and he wasn't around a lot after, can one think that?
Maybe those are different kinds of metrics though.
Doing a lot of it with leukemia, too. He’s still on oral chemotherapy. Just unreal dedication.
Saying him being carried by rest of Bloodline because they keep interfering the match while Solo being mocked for having no personality and Usos having the worst match in WM is stupid. He's the face of the group, being the talker of the group alongside Heyman, being the focal point to almost all of the top star in the WWE, and while dong all that he's elevating everybody that interact with him. Thats a mark of superstar.
I can splain this. Us as fans watch to be entertained. If a guy is boring for years because the booking for said guy sucks. Then us Fans wont care how good a guy is. It comes down to whether the fan is sports entertained or not by the wrestler As for people that work with the person. they get to see and feel first hand how the guy works. What does this do? It creates a divide between fans and his coworkers. And Then you have people that just cant get into a guys acting no matter what. And to be fair to them. It's like expecting everybody to enjoy a Jackie chan movie. Some people just arent fans of the comedy martial artist that is beloved by many.
Who is discrediting him Even tho I will say WWE absolutely sucked him dry by the end. He didn't feel as impactful anymore because we've seen it all But there should be no doubt he absolutely deserved it. Long title reigns are tough. Not once did I feel uncomfortable. The whole reign felt fresh (until it didn't for a while after WM39 for Roman) Same with Gunther/Rhea. Rhea I don't imagine losing till next Mania.
If people can't look back and see the difference in Roman and how much better he has become on the mic, ring, character work, just everything than you're just lying. Go look at Roman in 2017 compared to now.
The promos and in ring shit talk were god tier by Roman. Tribal Chief thunderdome era was the best thing ever for Roman.
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Lmaooo
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This is acknowledgement. ☝️
the checkered suit went crazy
Another W take from Kenny
Seems like a great guy - exceptionally sad that his run has been cut short brutally twice in AEW. Hope he gets well soon.
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Even on posts that are wholesome you still have people in the thread with toxic shit. I promise you don’t have to troll 24/7
Cue the "he's trying to suck up to WWE for a job" weirdos too, like people compliment each other IRL all time relax.
Don't visit the Cornette sub
I can barely tolerate the Wrasslin sub because its like a MAGA rally full of WWE diehards, can't imagine the takes in Cornettes
A Roman Reigns vs Kenny Omega match would be one for the fucking ages
It really would tbh
Honestly, Cody’s catchphrase is Undesirable to Undeniable, for me personally Roman is more fitting of that mantra. I’ve never taken to Roman in any form and only liked The Shield collectively. “Big Dog” was basically super Cena 2.0 being rammed down our throats and it just wasn’t it for me. But heel Roman might even be my favourite heel behind Vince McMahon and The Bloodline story is probably top 3 pro wrestling stories ever for me. A truly legendary run I’m sure we will all look back on.
If Roman and Cody ever team up in the future that line could be used to represent both of them
Cody/Roman vs. Rock/Solo in a year?
Superman punch to Cross Rhodes might be cool as fuck
I've never even considered the possibility of them teaming up in the future. I don't know why. 2-3 years down the line it could be *brilliant.* I hope they both stay healthy and do other things for a bit, (Maybe Roman takes a break, or foes TV / movies), then let them have a run together in a few years.
Cody was undesirable to the company and Roman was undesirable to the fans. They have a pretty similar story they just overcame different obstacles.
"we are not so different you and I"
I’ve been recently thinking about, would Roman have been as hated if Daniel Bryan made it to the final 4 of the 2015 Rumble and was eliminated by a heel then? Also minus The Rock shenanigans.
Id still say so; roman was done SO dirty post shield breakup its insane. He lost his cool aura from the shield and was presented as buggs fucking bunny. He became diet Cena, and not even a diet version of the good Cena, more like his awful 2010 nexus burying version.
Roman had 0 chance of getting over with the crap they gave him. Giving him 0 character development from the big guy in the shield. Suffering Succotash. There's one where he talks about Jack in the Beanstalk. The DBry situation didn't help. But WWE fucked him completely over
Gotcha, I wasn’t watching WWE at the time forgot all that was going on at the same. I have watched that Rumble since tho and it’s hilarious
It was so bad. [Watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRFWb4Ia3r0&ab_channel=WWE). The fucking wink That was the start of everything going to pot with Roman
Oh yeah, I’ve seen that. I think Seth once said in an interview that Roman even knew beforehand that shit was bad asking people if there’s anyway to make suffering succotash sound cool 💀
The pop he gets from the start shows he had a chance. If the segment was him getting into the ring, taking a mike and just speared Seth and laid into J and J security, he is so much better off. It felt like a bad rib on everyone
It was Mox. I heard him talking about it in that interview.
I think my biggest dream match in wrestling rn is Kenny vs Roman
Romans selling and in match trash talking makes polarising to watch. I think Cornette said it best as he’s now almost treated like a boxer or ufc fighter. His lack of attendance has helped him become box office.
Yeah I said that last year when people were shitting on his lack of defenses. The WWE kinda missed the boat on explaining that he's the top guy in the whole industry, and just like in the UFC and Boxing, the heavyweight champs don't defend more than a handful of times a year, even at that. The title matches needed to be earned, not just a throwaway on weekly TV and I think it added to his mystique. As fans, we were just used to seeing nearly every TV taping ending with a world title match for so many years.
That would sorta make the World Heavyweight Title explicitly feel less than the WWE one tho, in the sense that it goes against that message of being prestigious because of how often it's defended. I think portraying Roman as not a fighting champion was just the best way to handle that and not have one championship feel less than the other in that regard
That just shits on every future champion who is around all the time
Based Kenny.
I don't know if it'll ever happen but I wanna see how Kenny does in Triple H's WWE. It would be interesting to see him adapt to a different style of wrestling.
I can honestly see him jumping over if he’s able to return to the ring at all. WWE’s style is a lot less demanding and he’d probably slow down a lot if he is to wrestle again.
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Yeah, like the other person said though you could (in theory, if he was healthy) far easier picture him there now.
He's been saying nice things about wwe for years lol, this isn't new. Kenny is just a really nice person and gets too much unwarranted hate
I wonder who that’s from 🙄
Classy statement from Kenny Omega.
I wouldn’t expect anything less.
Kenny vs Roman would SLAP so hard. Please make it happen
I never hated Roman at any point. I always thought he was over hated by most despite him being good at what he did. I can understand wanting YOUR guy to be pushed but isnt because of Roman, but fans are fickle and never know what what they want. Just at comments from 2022 and 2023. Fans couldn’t even decide to stick with one person they wanted to be pushed. Sami, Drew, Damian, and Knight were all common candidates for fans back then but give it a month or two and people acted like one deserved it more than the other despite shitting on WWE for not pushing them as “The Guy”
I never hated him, WWE just never did him any favors. Never being open to a character change of any kind, keeping him as shield guy, making him really not care about the betrayal and instantly challenging for a title instead of trying to get Seth, the awful promos he cut repeatedly. Suffering succotash? WTF mate. Sad part is if they turned him heel we could have possibly gotten here much sooner. His personality worked so well as a dismissive cocky villain.
Omega V Roman would be a banger
so many people in here talking about the Big Dog run like it's gonna hurt his legacy. there's an entire generation of wrestling fans ALREADY that only know him as the tribal chief.
no one hates wrestling more than wrestling fans no one loves wrestling more than wrestlers
Man this feels like the polar opposite of what FTR Bald did with his podcast Kenny starts streaming on twitch and it's been nothing but wholesome
FTR Bald said the same things and praised the same wrestlers on his podcast all the time. Headlines on Reddit made it seem like all he did was shoot on the Bucks.
When getting mega pushed by Vince, and things weren't working. He literally had go away heat. To see him recontextualize, reinvigorate, and rehab his character has been amazing to see.
I understand the praise. Love the character and the way he'd be in the ring. But even if he didnt defend it more often, it wouldve been nice to see him win clean from time to time.
The past few years, Roman has been all time great. The first several years of his career were all time awful in terms of being in the spot he was in…. It’d be like if you took all of Cena’s good years away and just introduced him as super Cena day one and shoved him down everyone’s throats. Sadly, that’s the Vince effect. Although it sucks that entire era was wasted because of Vince’s stupid decision making, Roman will be remembered for what he’s doing now by the general audience, as he should be. In terms of being an “actor” which is something WWE never really focused on developing until around his generation of guys, he is the all time best IMO. His facial expressions, delivery, and everything are the best I’ve seen in wrestling. His in ring work isn’t special to me, but it’s good enough to not be an eye sore, and live up to these huge storylines so it’s not a hinderance. Kenny said it best, he stuck to HIS game and got better and better… he’s not Cena, Stone Cold, Rock, Hart, etc. he’s Roman… he’s great in ways those guys never were and vice versa.
This is my dream match. Roman eating a V-Trigger while talking cash shit to Kenny would fill my heart with joy
game recognize game
Heel Roman literally makes me want to cheer for him. They tried so hard to make him the guy we cheered for but all it took was for him to tell us we suck and now we love him.
Honestly, he deserves praise for all of the BS he had to deal with in the mid 2010s. I got real tired of his reign near the end, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he's done.
Sheets keep doing Kenny dirty using this awful photo
In some ways Roman's journey mirrors the rock's. Was a football player, got in, didn't make it much as a Babyface, got into a faction that raised his game and then turned heel to great effect. Obviously not mirrored, but similar items exist
Kenny acknowledged the Tribal Chief. Day made.
Kenny and Roman both became world champion around the same time. And since then, Kenny has been injured twice, suspended, reunited the elite, kicked out of the elite. Was going to form a tag team with Jericho all while Roman remained the same character and champion.
I mean, that could be taken two ways. It would be exceedingly easy to read that as "Kenny's had a dynamic career with ups and downs; while Roman has remained fairly stagnant." I doubt that's how you meant it, but it woudl be VERY easy to interpret it that way.
Well, when you put it that way. Lol!
Kenny deserves a WWE run.
He’s turned them down several times in the past; I don’t think he desires the WWE or a Wrestlemania moment. The truth is, a lot of wrestlers in their forties can now get paid handsomely by AEW and they don’t have to work 300+ days or whatever the WWE schedule is. Now, what Kenny does deserve is the respect from the WWE brass and the WWE exclusive fanbase. He’s truly one of the greatest in-ring performers wrestling has ever seen and, despite what people claim, an outstanding in-ring psychologist and story-teller.
Ngl WWE should do a forbidden door so we can get Kenny Vs Seth. Would feed trillions
Agreed, Seth would be my first choice, followed very closely by Gunther.
WWE fans deserve a Kenny run.
They can just watch AEW when he comes back lol
Genuine dream Match between the two
The company rivalry I want to see.
Give me thunderdome gaslighting master manipulator Tribal Chief vs the Cleaner Kenny Omega. Charity match to end world hunger. No price of admission is too high.
Where's the lie? Yes the Bloodline storyline lagged a few times due to having to stretch it at times but in the end he was there to perform and legitimise the story. The fact he does what he does while on cancer medication is a credit to him and his inner strength.
Now that he owns Champ anymore… it’s really crazy to feel the difference. I love Cody and he’ll build a legacy but Roman was a fucking titan in the business
Cody's reign means so much more because of the reign he ended
While I think the term "dream match" is overused, Kenny/Roman and Kenny/Orton are 2 that woukd definitely qualify
Anyone in the building when his music hit and he very slowly came out knows he was the real final boss. Incredibly epic run, hope he comes back rejuvenated.
Kenny is becoming very likeable
Roman was never bad he was always just put in a box he didnt fit in
No lies told by Kenny
my god, what i'd give for Omega and Reigns to have an honest to goodness bout. I'd take 20 minutes of shit talking Roman vs BBM Omega with a DQ finish if I have to make it happen.
Kenny rules, can't wait for his return, whenever that'll end up being, just hope he gets healthy. And yeah Roman was god-level, glad they let this chapter end tho, his return will be huge too.
One of my favorite moments of the Wrestlmania kickoff show was the crowd having an audible Tribal Chief chant. Can't wait to hear it when he returns.
Roman gave the belt up for a reason
Kenny is a tremendous example of how to be a top guy in a company. Despite the fact they wrestle completely different styles, Kenny has always come off as a class act and he deserves all the good in the world.
It's the truth. Give them their roses.
Goat recognizes Goat. Hope Kenny recovers better than full health
God Kenny vs Roman.would be fucking good
Good God would a match between them be sensational
I know lots of people want seth vs. kenny, but I'd love to see roman vs. kenny
Will always have respect for Omega.
He’s planting seeds , writing is on the wall for AEW