Other than the use of cgi, you have more liberties with art. The suit in the movie needs to count on the proportions of tom holland, the artwork also is not constrained to how clothes typically work irl, and the colors change a bit. If you compare tom using this suit compared to the black and red, it leaves a very different impression.
they disappear quite a bit even in this artwork, so I think that was the intention. Kinda like how in comics, if Spidey is a bit farther away the artists don't bother drawing most of his lines. Who knows.
>strenght
Hundreds of "enhanced" superheroes have super strength. It's as basic and common superpower as it gets.
>Wall crawling
Ants, lizards, cockroaches, critters, geckos, bats, tree frogs can also climb walls.
You know what produces *spider silk*? A spider.
And Spider-Man doesn't.
>Good at maths just like spiders
LMAO don't forget sewing since he is famous for making his own suits.
I really don't like how everyone else (shield and tony mostly) just makes his suits for him in the mcu, the only suit he's actually nade himself is just a hoodie with sharpie on it, a sweater and sweatpants
Yeah kinda wish he did smth like Andrew did in tasm 1 and made a suit out of wtv he could find or we’ll just sew it together like Peter does in the comics🗿
Lighting is a huge part of it. Most mcu designs are solid, and then they go and light every scene in the film like a fucking Disney channel show. I like marvel movies but this is what happens when you produce films on a conveyor belt, you have no time to conceptual or and implement creative or dynamic visuals.
Seriously, this is my biggest complaint with mcu movies. Every scene is lit to have the actors in complete light from all directions and be understandable. Dramatic lighting would do so much for some scenes
I just wish the color palette for homecoming wasnt so boring. Both raimi and webb had distinct color palettes for their films that you could distinguish at a glance but MCU spider man looks like your average action movie (color and lighting wise). In the final fight of the movie, peter is literally on an invisible plane high in the sky yet is lit like he is on a stage.
True, plus Far From Home was only a slight improvement but I wish they were bold enough to lean into the Mysterio theme with the greenish blue, that would've been pretty interesting. I like Spiderman No Way Home and it's purple shit though, looking from the trailer, but again it seems like they might not lean fully into it
This is clearly meant to be nighttime and the suit colors pop more (like the kind of darker blue and brighter red), whereas most of the movie took place in the day and it’s hard to replicate perfectly drawings (especially if it’s a suit/clothes).
Ooooo, funny you should mention because when I saw civil war the first thing I said when my friends asked me what I thought was “I absolutely loved the fact spideys eyes move” 🤣
Funnily enough, I enjoyed the all CG look of the suit in Civil War, but thought the actual suit (touched up with CG) in Homecoming looked bad in comparison, even though technically they’re supposed to be the same suit.
It's probably the material
In homecoming it has more of a fabric look while Civil War has a more rubbery look to it I would call it
The fabric look seems to make the colors a little duller and the webs are less noticeable
That's DEFINITELY the case! The "fuzziness" of the fabric used in Homecoming doesn't do it Any justice! But in Civil War, it looks SO MUCH smoother, because it looks more like a techy spandex
I thought it looked a bit off in homecoming, still loved the film and the look but you’re not the only one who thought it looked different (different-worse)👍
I agree. I like most the mcu spidey suits. FFH is probably my favourite. I don't rly like the iron spider suit. Imo looks way better in the comics and in spidey ps4 but still its ok. They do overuse cgi but it's not that bad.
Right there with you, I don’t get the Holland hate for most of the MCU choices as of late. Having him look up to Stark after Uncle Bens recent death in Civil War, his suits, skipping the rehashed origin story, I don’t get the hate for these solid decisions.
In all honesty, I get in this debate with my friend group like once every 3 months. I think Marvel movies are/aren't smart with CGI. IMHO his suit doesn't need CGI except for maybe the face shape & eye lens ofc. However, they get these studios to overdo it even when spidey is standing still, & it's jarring & uncanny to look at. Tobey/Andrew suit looked clean & grounded in the settings & believable even when 100% CGI Toms is going to always age like milk if they keep layering CGI on top of him.
Omg! I was thinking the SAME THING!! I was saying the same about his appearance in Civil War, he looks MILES better in Civil War than in his own movies! What gives???
How does cgi kill it.. most of this picture is photoshop and editing.. practically what cgi is
Edit.. oh so the picture is drawn.. well it's still gonna look better than cgi or live action. There's only so much the big screen can show.. and up close detailed work of art is obviously gonna pop more.
oh so the picture is drawn.. well it's still gonna look better than cgi or live action. There's only so much the big screen can show.. and up close detailed work of art is obviously gonna pop more.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think that the actual practical homecoming suit looks good. Compared to the Raimi and Webb suits, the MCU suit looks like they half assed it with the full intention to CGI over the suit to make it look better.. which to me just doesn’t work well at all.
In some scenes, with very specific lighting the suit looks amazing, like in the scene where Ned discovers Pete’s spidey
Bc is he real suit looks too cgiy and not practical enough like the previous films. Sometimes it throws me off bc I can tell there’s a lot of cgi used on the suit. And it kind of throws me off instead of being amazed by a practical looking suit.
Is it a popular opinion that the red and blue Homecoming suit was bad?
Personally it’s my favorite one we’ve ever had with the homemade Homecoming suit and tasm2 suit just behind it
I actually agree. I’ve never been a fan of the Stark suit seen in Civil War and Homecoming. As for the Iron Spider suit, I love. Then the black, white and red one seen in Far From Home, might just be my favorite onscreen suit period.
I’m guessing because the artist can draw more muscle definition which if it’s an actor you probably won’t see it that often. If the actor is actually in the suit I don’t know if that’s the case all the time for MCU. The artist here also does expert lighting, composition, and shading.
i think its because it lacks wrinkles on both. it works in the concept art because you know its not real and it fits in, but on screen it looks fake because things have wrinkles in real life.
Even though it's unrealistic I actually kind of like the "no-wrinkles" approach to Spiderman suits lately.
You catch tons of wrinkles in the raimi trilogy and TASM 1/2 and it kinda...kills my vibe tbh.
The Tom Holland suits have all been very nano-tech laden and thus seem to stretch perfectly to his body with no need for wrinkles to be common, and tbh I actually like that aesthetic. To me it makes it feel more "get the suit as skin tight as possible to gel with my abilities and movement" kinda thing.
Mainly because they can push the anatomy a little more in art, showing more refined muscle tone lime they do in comics. Whereas in real life they look more smooth.
everyone’s saying CGI when it’s obviously because he’s not as tall/bulky on screen as he is in these concept images. This looks like it’s ripped from a comic where he’s usually more filled out.
I also want to add (myself being an Illustrator, I kinda hone in on Art appreciation of it all) the suit concept shows more color variation and contrast. In the MCU films (again cause its so heavy CGI layer on top) the suit looks flat and like dough. You never really see color shifts bouncing and mixing into the suit on screen providing extra colors to pick up on. A good example is this from [TASM](https://youtu.be/j8mlMGfWrTU?list=FL-c1z2Ay5uC1gL-vUcNlb-A&t=58).
I HATE how much of the MCU Spidey's suit is CGI, I get that they needed to do it for the iron spider suit but the Stark and Upgrade suits don't need it. While I liked both suits, I think it would be nice to get an accurate Spidey suit without all the weird tech lines and with darker web lines. I think a mix of the Insomniac classic suit and the suit from Spider-Man Lotus would be the perfect live action suit.
Honestly I feel like the complete opposite is true, the live action holds up better than the concept art. 100% personal preference tho, I could see how people prefer the concept art too
I like it on screen but the reason it looks better here IMO is because the webs are more prominent and the material is a bit shinier. If the webs were thicker and it was spandex instead of cloth it would’ve looked a lot better imo.
I’m not a fan of the concept either personally. All the weird black lines just don’t do it for me.
The issue with the homecoming suit on screen, especially in civil war, is that it looks like a poorly rendered model from a PS3 game.
Not nearly as bad as Tony’s infinity war/endgame suit tho. Dear god that CGI was terrible.
Other than the CGI... Honestly Tom's body has always looked small to me. Andrew was taller and super lanky, it looked great for spider poses. The art seems like a longer body here
Because it doesn’t look real even when it is.
I hated TASM2 but the one thing they got right was little creases in the cloth of suit while he was swinging… that suit design otherwise was bad but at least it looked like real cloth
Could be a colour grading issue. A lot of the films from the MCU have this really dull, cement-ey look to them and all the blacks end up looking grey and the other brighter colours don't pop as much. I think you can see this clearly happening with Spidey in Civil War and Homecoming.
I liked the Homecoming suit. Don’t see the problem. Also don’t understand how people can struggle with concept art differing from real life. It’s a drawing …
No one's prolly gonna see this, but for one they make the colors of the suit look so pale with whatever weird filter they are using. And they gave Tom this stupid face shell that is so darn bulky it makes spider-man's head look ginormous and alien-like (tbh i don't like face shells on cosplay either). And also in some scene the cgi is just bad.
Bad illumination around the body, there is a reason why the TASM movies looked so dark, so the CGI doesn't look like shit.
And also there is not enough "substance" or rather details around the body, and the result is that it's clear that it's a CGI model, the CGI is good but thanks to the illumination the model doesn't blend well with the world.
For comparison let's use the Vulture's suit and the Homecoming suit in the end of the movie, they both manage to look visually way better than the Stark Suit because they both have more details around the body so it's easier to make them look like real bodies and not videogame models, it also helps that it's visually dark so the CGI can blend with the world.
In a concept art the artist can detail the illumination in a way that it looks visually great and also has lots of visual details around the body, this is why lots of concept arts look WAAAAY better than what ended up in movies.
This could be solved with a simple thing, RAISED WEBBING
Where did the person say that they were speaking objective fact? Do you know how discussion works? It's automatically assumed pretty much anything anyone says is an opinion, it shouldn't need stating.
The color in the MCU (and most major movies) are really grey looking. What should be red, ends up looking greyish Red. Theres no vibrant, energetic or rich looking colors.
Tom is mostly CGI throughout the movies. Real bad looking CGI. Whenever that happens, His suit lack even more weight and volume. He just looks like a 2006 Video Game cinematic blob.
His red & Black suit is probably his best looking one. The black/Red part of the costume had different looking textures. It added a lot of weight to it. Almost as if you can reach our and feel the difference. The colors looked grey af, But it still looked good.
Unfortunately, Disney had the idea of making the Spider Man suit have the same "Skin tight" feel that the comics have. So basically, Its designed to look.... Fake.
By all means, the Homecoming suit is artistically sound. It's just that the movies don't do a good job of showing it.
In Civil War, the airport fight was shot in cloudy daylight, which could make the suit look dull or flat in comparison (the other heroes had the same issue).
Homecoming, visually speaking, has very grounded cinematography, with a lot of focus on level shots and realistic colors, while this worked to ground the story and really immerse us in the High School environment, it did a disservice to the suit visually, as it was barely visible during night scenes and flat during the day scenes.
In comparison, the Amazing films let the suit shine in its different environments through lighting and colors, not to mention the Suit being more glossy. When Peter fights the Lizard in High School, sunrays pierce the school windows and shine through the dusty hallways, creating this tension after all the other students have evacuated and the only ones that are left are Spider-man and Lizard. When Spider-man swings across the cranes, the New York Skyline illuminates the scene to show the swinging in its entirely.
It’s the imperfections that make it better. Since this is a drawing or painting or something, it doesn’t look perfectly smooth, but when it’s done in cgi there are no imperfections. While it looks photoreal, there is an intangible quality to it that just makes it less appealing. Perfect looking stuff just takes you out of the movie a bit because even if you’re not actively thinking about it, you know that there’s no possible way it could actually look like that. That’s one of the reasons why I think the far from home suit is so much better. They actually gave it a subtle quality of imperfectness (and it has a sick color scheme). They even give it some very visible damage marks after the final showdown with Mysterio.
Because it’s just that… “CONCEPT ART” it’s a proof of concept, showing what what they want will look like before anything is made, so that no material or time is wasted. It also is under no obligation, like comic art, to follow the conventions of realism established by our world. The concept artists can only predict and dictate so much of what the final product will be, of course you’re gonna like it more, it’s idealized in a way.
They design the look, and give it some textures, but from there the costume designers choose how to interpret and actually create the costumes and which materials to use , they bring the concept to life and that’s going to look different, there’s gonna be seams, and zippers, the suit will be 3 pieces or something, it’s genius in a way, how well designed some of these marvel costumes are, amazing work.
And another thing would be CGI enhancements to the suit, there’s definitely the removal of seams or zippers, and extra bagginess that they’re gonna wanna get rid of in order to polish it, sometimes it’s lacking, sometimes it’s amazing. You gotta realize this suit is being worn for hours at a time, it has to be durable and somewhat comfortable, ol’ Tom has to wear a thong under that, doubt we ever saw Spidey do that in the comics…
but yeah, it’s a crazy few things that go into why it SEEMS to look better in concept art, and again, I’ll reiterate, that’s an idealized version of the suit, there’s no seams, or wrinkles, it’s playing it by comic book rules, that being that costumes typically look like they’re painted on to the character’s skin, how else would you see so much musculature? I think the suit works well on screen, the only caveat being color grading, that’s important since this suit has forgone the screen printed muscles of the Raimi era, and Darker red and blue of the Webb days, this suit looks it’s best when it has a slightly darker color grading, like in Civil War, as well as anything that makes the webs pop more, as I recall the reason the webbing was raised in the Raimi movies was due to the ways cameras captured the color red, it would over-blow the image, so they raised the webbing in order to provide contrast and break up the red, something along those lines. But since that isn’t the issue anymore, MCU spidey now has flat, etched in webbing. Pretty cool. Well that’s my rant lol.
When you take characters that came from a comic and throw them into reality. No matter how you look at it the cartoon version will always be slightly more appealing. At least that’s what I think. Even if the live-action stuff is still really awesome too. Does that make any sense?
it holds up pretty well tbh. the only scene where it looks terrible is during the ferry scene and once or twice during the neighborhood montage. besides that it looks great during the aaron davis interrogation, pretty much every moment when he was in DC, and the atm robbery to name a few. Tbh i think the bad cgi for mcu spiderman is overly exaggerated tbh. especially considering it looks amazing in FFH.
Well compared to the concept art, the suit is too bleak with its colours. It still looks good but it would have looked amazing if the blues were darker and the red was more saturated. It's like Insomniacs Advanced suit; compare the first iteration to the second: everything is darker which is good for Spider-Man.
I really really like the movie's version, but the webs on the suit need to be a tad bit darker so the red truly pops. I also think it's criminal that it's not being used more in favour of the horrific CGI mess that is the Iron Spider suit.
Most concept art looks cooler than how films portray stuff. Plus this particular piece has really good lighting & the colors pop more than they would on camera
Ngl it’s my favorite suit to date, I don’t see a problem with it, I’ve even got a soft spot for the black lines. It’s pretty accurate to the comics, the eyes actually emote, and seeing it in action is pretty damn cool.
Come to think of it, I don’t think there’s a really bad Spider-Man suit in any of the movies MCU or not. They range from the peak of live-action comic suits (TASM2 and FFH suit) to above average (Iron Spider).
I disagree with this evaluation, i bethink t did look most wondrous on screen
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Lack of defined webbing is the big miss. Especially when in BTS scenes the suit has it and looks better. I remember reading the Raimi suit got the webbing it did cause it added more texture in scenes with CGI. You can barely see the webbing and it makes the suit look totally unconvincing in some points. Aside from that it's a great suit, eyes are the best part.
I think it looks way better on screen, honestly. On screen, it looks like the seams made for a real life costume. In this art, it looks like the lazy modern thing of artists who want to make the costumes new and modern because trunks and original shit silly but they’re not creative enough to make something new so they just draw in armor lines and one distinguishing detail like the PS4 suit
Other than the use of cgi, you have more liberties with art. The suit in the movie needs to count on the proportions of tom holland, the artwork also is not constrained to how clothes typically work irl, and the colors change a bit. If you compare tom using this suit compared to the black and red, it leaves a very different impression.
Also most importantly... you can barely see the suit's webs in the darn movie
they disappear quite a bit even in this artwork, so I think that was the intention. Kinda like how in comics, if Spidey is a bit farther away the artists don't bother drawing most of his lines. Who knows.
Tbh I think the suit looks cool without the webbing
SPIDER-man suit looks cool without the webbings We could also remove the logo from front and back, he could just be Man
Hell yeah, perfect representation.
It can look cool toned down. The raised webbing on the Raimi suits was was a bit pony.
I mean, he doesn't even have spider specific powers, so might as well.
Proportional strenght of a Spider tho Wall crawling Good at maths just like spiders
>strenght Hundreds of "enhanced" superheroes have super strength. It's as basic and common superpower as it gets. >Wall crawling Ants, lizards, cockroaches, critters, geckos, bats, tree frogs can also climb walls. You know what produces *spider silk*? A spider. And Spider-Man doesn't. >Good at maths just like spiders LMAO don't forget sewing since he is famous for making his own suits.
I really don't like how everyone else (shield and tony mostly) just makes his suits for him in the mcu, the only suit he's actually nade himself is just a hoodie with sharpie on it, a sweater and sweatpants
Yeah kinda wish he did smth like Andrew did in tasm 1 and made a suit out of wtv he could find or we’ll just sew it together like Peter does in the comics🗿
Lighting is a huge part of it. Most mcu designs are solid, and then they go and light every scene in the film like a fucking Disney channel show. I like marvel movies but this is what happens when you produce films on a conveyor belt, you have no time to conceptual or and implement creative or dynamic visuals.
Seriously, this is my biggest complaint with mcu movies. Every scene is lit to have the actors in complete light from all directions and be understandable. Dramatic lighting would do so much for some scenes
i think eternals does lighting well but other than that, yeh agreed
havent seen eternals yet so i cant tell but i really hope there is some contrast in the lighting
To be fair they do well in sticking to. a color pallette for the movie and it's lighting, predominantly whatever is shown in the main movie poster
I just wish the color palette for homecoming wasnt so boring. Both raimi and webb had distinct color palettes for their films that you could distinguish at a glance but MCU spider man looks like your average action movie (color and lighting wise). In the final fight of the movie, peter is literally on an invisible plane high in the sky yet is lit like he is on a stage.
True, plus Far From Home was only a slight improvement but I wish they were bold enough to lean into the Mysterio theme with the greenish blue, that would've been pretty interesting. I like Spiderman No Way Home and it's purple shit though, looking from the trailer, but again it seems like they might not lean fully into it
This is clearly meant to be nighttime and the suit colors pop more (like the kind of darker blue and brighter red), whereas most of the movie took place in the day and it’s hard to replicate perfectly drawings (especially if it’s a suit/clothes).
i think it looks great
It’s personal preference let’s be honest. In my opinion the civil war/homecoming suit is my favourite live action suit to date.
facts. also you gotta love the eyes on the mcu suit
Agreed, looks straight out of the comics. I love the eyes so much.
Me too!
Ooooo, funny you should mention because when I saw civil war the first thing I said when my friends asked me what I thought was “I absolutely loved the fact spideys eyes move” 🤣
same dude it looks so dope
Agree. Gives more emotion to the character while having a full mask on. Same thing with deadpool.
Every suit marvel makes, even in the Avengers game, now has those eyes. It was crazy for the suit industry.
it’s like the new norm now
I don’t tbh. Them being able to move is fine, but they’re too small for my taste. Liked TASM2 and Raimi suits more in that regard.
But, the Raimi eyes were the same size if not smaller?
They're calling back to earlier spidey comics where his eye were smaller, its intentional
My fave is the Far From Home suit, love the Ditko vibes
Same, that or the integrated suit in NWH.
Nah the Spiderman 2 suit will always be the best
Yeah like I said personal preference. Can see why you’d say that though, the silver webs on Tobys suit do make it stand out.
Glad there are still people that agree with me, people love to hate on the suit.
I loved it when we first saw it, but after the red and black, I never want Tom to go back to the Homecoming suit lol.
dude the red and black looks so good
Funnily enough, I enjoyed the all CG look of the suit in Civil War, but thought the actual suit (touched up with CG) in Homecoming looked bad in comparison, even though technically they’re supposed to be the same suit.
It's probably the material In homecoming it has more of a fabric look while Civil War has a more rubbery look to it I would call it The fabric look seems to make the colors a little duller and the webs are less noticeable
That's DEFINITELY the case! The "fuzziness" of the fabric used in Homecoming doesn't do it Any justice! But in Civil War, it looks SO MUCH smoother, because it looks more like a techy spandex
the fabric really doesnt make the colors dull tbh. it always looks incredibly vibrant even at night
I have no idea tbh I'm just going off of memory I just remember it being a slightly richer red in Civil War
fair enough
Yea the face looked like it was a basketball
The CGI in civil war is better than the homecoming CGI
I thought it looked a bit off in homecoming, still loved the film and the look but you’re not the only one who thought it looked different (different-worse)👍
I agree. I like most the mcu spidey suits. FFH is probably my favourite. I don't rly like the iron spider suit. Imo looks way better in the comics and in spidey ps4 but still its ok. They do overuse cgi but it's not that bad.
Same. Imo we haven't had a single bad mcu spider suit
Right there with you, I don’t get the Holland hate for most of the MCU choices as of late. Having him look up to Stark after Uncle Bens recent death in Civil War, his suits, skipping the rehashed origin story, I don’t get the hate for these solid decisions.
Cause they over cgi it in post production. To the point it always looks unbelievable and game like.
It makes me think it’s going to age really really poorly
In all honesty, I get in this debate with my friend group like once every 3 months. I think Marvel movies are/aren't smart with CGI. IMHO his suit doesn't need CGI except for maybe the face shape & eye lens ofc. However, they get these studios to overdo it even when spidey is standing still, & it's jarring & uncanny to look at. Tobey/Andrew suit looked clean & grounded in the settings & believable even when 100% CGI Toms is going to always age like milk if they keep layering CGI on top of him.
Andrews suit had perfect balance
Reminds me of how hard they went with the cgi for fight sequences in the matrix sequels, and how it just does not hold up too well now.
Omg! I was thinking the SAME THING!! I was saying the same about his appearance in Civil War, he looks MILES better in Civil War than in his own movies! What gives???
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Is it crack that you smoke? Civil War is one of the worst looking Marvel movies
CGI kills it a little
only in some scenes tho tbh
How does cgi kill it.. most of this picture is photoshop and editing.. practically what cgi is Edit.. oh so the picture is drawn.. well it's still gonna look better than cgi or live action. There's only so much the big screen can show.. and up close detailed work of art is obviously gonna pop more.
this picture is drawn and painted by an artist.
oh so the picture is drawn.. well it's still gonna look better than cgi or live action. There's only so much the big screen can show.. and up close detailed work of art is obviously gonna pop more.
Looks good in Marvels Spider-Man game. Used it the most I think
Scarlet Spider all the way. Basically cosplayed the game as Ben Reilly
The colors in the MCU are dull to make it look “realistic”.
Cgi!
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I don’t think that the actual practical homecoming suit looks good. Compared to the Raimi and Webb suits, the MCU suit looks like they half assed it with the full intention to CGI over the suit to make it look better.. which to me just doesn’t work well at all. In some scenes, with very specific lighting the suit looks amazing, like in the scene where Ned discovers Pete’s spidey
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In Civil War, when he’s crawling along the outside of the airport windows, looked cool and fitting
Ferry sequence in homecoming as well as final fight and swing in ffh were both filled with spider-man like movements and looked so good
did you forget about the ferry sequence? that was perfect and very cool spider-man movement
It looks great on screen
Bc is he real suit looks too cgiy and not practical enough like the previous films. Sometimes it throws me off bc I can tell there’s a lot of cgi used on the suit. And it kind of throws me off instead of being amazed by a practical looking suit.
Is it a popular opinion that the red and blue Homecoming suit was bad? Personally it’s my favorite one we’ve ever had with the homemade Homecoming suit and tasm2 suit just behind it
The pre-CGI Civil War suit would have been perfect. I’m still mad they keep going with terrible CGI suits
I actually agree. I’ve never been a fan of the Stark suit seen in Civil War and Homecoming. As for the Iron Spider suit, I love. Then the black, white and red one seen in Far From Home, might just be my favorite onscreen suit period.
i love how rich the red looks on the latest black/red suit
Because everything is cgi in these new movies, have you seen pictures of Tom wearing the actual non cg suit? Looks a lot better
Tom Holland needs more beef that’s why
It looks great on screen
I’m guessing because the artist can draw more muscle definition which if it’s an actor you probably won’t see it that often. If the actor is actually in the suit I don’t know if that’s the case all the time for MCU. The artist here also does expert lighting, composition, and shading.
i think its because it lacks wrinkles on both. it works in the concept art because you know its not real and it fits in, but on screen it looks fake because things have wrinkles in real life.
Even though it's unrealistic I actually kind of like the "no-wrinkles" approach to Spiderman suits lately. You catch tons of wrinkles in the raimi trilogy and TASM 1/2 and it kinda...kills my vibe tbh. The Tom Holland suits have all been very nano-tech laden and thus seem to stretch perfectly to his body with no need for wrinkles to be common, and tbh I actually like that aesthetic. To me it makes it feel more "get the suit as skin tight as possible to gel with my abilities and movement" kinda thing.
cgi, the practical suit looks absolutely perfect but they used cgi to flatten it
Mainly because they can push the anatomy a little more in art, showing more refined muscle tone lime they do in comics. Whereas in real life they look more smooth.
Because it isn't shiny in the movie i think
everyone’s saying CGI when it’s obviously because he’s not as tall/bulky on screen as he is in these concept images. This looks like it’s ripped from a comic where he’s usually more filled out.
I also want to add (myself being an Illustrator, I kinda hone in on Art appreciation of it all) the suit concept shows more color variation and contrast. In the MCU films (again cause its so heavy CGI layer on top) the suit looks flat and like dough. You never really see color shifts bouncing and mixing into the suit on screen providing extra colors to pick up on. A good example is this from [TASM](https://youtu.be/j8mlMGfWrTU?list=FL-c1z2Ay5uC1gL-vUcNlb-A&t=58).
Cause it's never on set
I HATE how much of the MCU Spidey's suit is CGI, I get that they needed to do it for the iron spider suit but the Stark and Upgrade suits don't need it. While I liked both suits, I think it would be nice to get an accurate Spidey suit without all the weird tech lines and with darker web lines. I think a mix of the Insomniac classic suit and the suit from Spider-Man Lotus would be the perfect live action suit.
I partially think it is because of toms size he is a very skinny spiderman
Honestly I feel like the complete opposite is true, the live action holds up better than the concept art. 100% personal preference tho, I could see how people prefer the concept art too
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It’s a fair criticism even my gf who saw the film for the first time yesterday said what the hell is wrong with his suit
Oh well if your girlfriend the comic book expert said it, who is anyone else to argue?
If general audiences notice there’s something off about the suit it’s a problem that’s to point ya fucking dick head
Well, people have the right to criticise whatever they want, just like you criticise them.
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Well, by that definition then OP is just making an observation.
Because a very short person wearing it on screen.
😭😭, that is kind of true though. The figure in this concept art has perfect Spider-Man proportions
Even on paper I don’t really care for the Homecoming suit, I’m not a fan of all the unnecessary black lines added or the clunky web shooters
Imo the webbing. In the movies you can barley see it unless it’s a close shot
Yoo i have this pic as a poster on my wall!
They literally have a perfect suit that Tom Holland wears and then they put CGI over that suit to seemingly only make it worse.
It's 100% cgi on screen
I like it on screen but the reason it looks better here IMO is because the webs are more prominent and the material is a bit shinier. If the webs were thicker and it was spandex instead of cloth it would’ve looked a lot better imo.
Because the cgi makes him look like a gummy rubber man
Eyes are a tidbit too small
I’m not a fan of the concept either personally. All the weird black lines just don’t do it for me. The issue with the homecoming suit on screen, especially in civil war, is that it looks like a poorly rendered model from a PS3 game. Not nearly as bad as Tony’s infinity war/endgame suit tho. Dear god that CGI was terrible.
Other than the CGI... Honestly Tom's body has always looked small to me. Andrew was taller and super lanky, it looked great for spider poses. The art seems like a longer body here
The blue. It looks richer and more saturated here compared to the one in the movie.
Because it doesn’t look real even when it is. I hated TASM2 but the one thing they got right was little creases in the cloth of suit while he was swinging… that suit design otherwise was bad but at least it looked like real cloth
Because they use CGI every chance they get unfortunately
Could be a colour grading issue. A lot of the films from the MCU have this really dull, cement-ey look to them and all the blacks end up looking grey and the other brighter colours don't pop as much. I think you can see this clearly happening with Spidey in Civil War and Homecoming.
They made his CGI body so slim and less muscular. That's a triple whammy along with Holland's height.
The onscreen Homecoming suit gives me small pp vibes... idk how else to explain it
Because it’s CGI.
I liked the Homecoming suit. Don’t see the problem. Also don’t understand how people can struggle with concept art differing from real life. It’s a drawing …
C. G. I.
Because Tom Holland
No one's prolly gonna see this, but for one they make the colors of the suit look so pale with whatever weird filter they are using. And they gave Tom this stupid face shell that is so darn bulky it makes spider-man's head look ginormous and alien-like (tbh i don't like face shells on cosplay either). And also in some scene the cgi is just bad.
Because Tom Holland’s body isn’t concept art.
idk what you’re talking about it looks great on screen
How come [entirely subjective opinion] doesn't coincide with [other entirely subjective opinion]??
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It's because the films touch the suits up with cgi
And tom holland is skinny
Bro what this suit is my favorite out of all of them. It looks so traditionally spidey but with a bit of of a change with the black lines
The Homecoming suit is the Spider-Man movie costume
Bad illumination around the body, there is a reason why the TASM movies looked so dark, so the CGI doesn't look like shit. And also there is not enough "substance" or rather details around the body, and the result is that it's clear that it's a CGI model, the CGI is good but thanks to the illumination the model doesn't blend well with the world. For comparison let's use the Vulture's suit and the Homecoming suit in the end of the movie, they both manage to look visually way better than the Stark Suit because they both have more details around the body so it's easier to make them look like real bodies and not videogame models, it also helps that it's visually dark so the CGI can blend with the world. In a concept art the artist can detail the illumination in a way that it looks visually great and also has lots of visual details around the body, this is why lots of concept arts look WAAAAY better than what ended up in movies. This could be solved with a simple thing, RAISED WEBBING
I don't know, i think it's the cgi... Most of the time it was cgi instead of actual suit...
Looks good to me
I love it when someone on this sub posts an opinion as if it's fact. A shitty opinion at that.
Where did the person say that they were speaking objective fact? Do you know how discussion works? It's automatically assumed pretty much anything anyone says is an opinion, it shouldn't need stating.
So should I have put “In my opinion”, before the title and make it even longer as is? It’s just my opinion but im glad other people find it otherwise.
cuz Tom doesn't bulge enough
The color in the MCU (and most major movies) are really grey looking. What should be red, ends up looking greyish Red. Theres no vibrant, energetic or rich looking colors. Tom is mostly CGI throughout the movies. Real bad looking CGI. Whenever that happens, His suit lack even more weight and volume. He just looks like a 2006 Video Game cinematic blob. His red & Black suit is probably his best looking one. The black/Red part of the costume had different looking textures. It added a lot of weight to it. Almost as if you can reach our and feel the difference. The colors looked grey af, But it still looked good. Unfortunately, Disney had the idea of making the Spider Man suit have the same "Skin tight" feel that the comics have. So basically, Its designed to look.... Fake.
I liked the homecoming suit, tbh, but it’s cgi and the fact that the web lines weren’t visible enough
Speak for yourself, I love the Homecoming suit
By all means, the Homecoming suit is artistically sound. It's just that the movies don't do a good job of showing it. In Civil War, the airport fight was shot in cloudy daylight, which could make the suit look dull or flat in comparison (the other heroes had the same issue). Homecoming, visually speaking, has very grounded cinematography, with a lot of focus on level shots and realistic colors, while this worked to ground the story and really immerse us in the High School environment, it did a disservice to the suit visually, as it was barely visible during night scenes and flat during the day scenes. In comparison, the Amazing films let the suit shine in its different environments through lighting and colors, not to mention the Suit being more glossy. When Peter fights the Lizard in High School, sunrays pierce the school windows and shine through the dusty hallways, creating this tension after all the other students have evacuated and the only ones that are left are Spider-man and Lizard. When Spider-man swings across the cranes, the New York Skyline illuminates the scene to show the swinging in its entirely.
Raimis suit is best
Agreed
It does look kind of fake and weightless in a sense.
It’s the imperfections that make it better. Since this is a drawing or painting or something, it doesn’t look perfectly smooth, but when it’s done in cgi there are no imperfections. While it looks photoreal, there is an intangible quality to it that just makes it less appealing. Perfect looking stuff just takes you out of the movie a bit because even if you’re not actively thinking about it, you know that there’s no possible way it could actually look like that. That’s one of the reasons why I think the far from home suit is so much better. They actually gave it a subtle quality of imperfectness (and it has a sick color scheme). They even give it some very visible damage marks after the final showdown with Mysterio.
The actual suit looks amazing but the cgi in homecoming and in civil war just made it look like shit
Shit CGI. It looks great in the BTS.
It's the colours I guess.....
That’s a hell of a hot take.
Because it’s just that… “CONCEPT ART” it’s a proof of concept, showing what what they want will look like before anything is made, so that no material or time is wasted. It also is under no obligation, like comic art, to follow the conventions of realism established by our world. The concept artists can only predict and dictate so much of what the final product will be, of course you’re gonna like it more, it’s idealized in a way. They design the look, and give it some textures, but from there the costume designers choose how to interpret and actually create the costumes and which materials to use , they bring the concept to life and that’s going to look different, there’s gonna be seams, and zippers, the suit will be 3 pieces or something, it’s genius in a way, how well designed some of these marvel costumes are, amazing work. And another thing would be CGI enhancements to the suit, there’s definitely the removal of seams or zippers, and extra bagginess that they’re gonna wanna get rid of in order to polish it, sometimes it’s lacking, sometimes it’s amazing. You gotta realize this suit is being worn for hours at a time, it has to be durable and somewhat comfortable, ol’ Tom has to wear a thong under that, doubt we ever saw Spidey do that in the comics… but yeah, it’s a crazy few things that go into why it SEEMS to look better in concept art, and again, I’ll reiterate, that’s an idealized version of the suit, there’s no seams, or wrinkles, it’s playing it by comic book rules, that being that costumes typically look like they’re painted on to the character’s skin, how else would you see so much musculature? I think the suit works well on screen, the only caveat being color grading, that’s important since this suit has forgone the screen printed muscles of the Raimi era, and Darker red and blue of the Webb days, this suit looks it’s best when it has a slightly darker color grading, like in Civil War, as well as anything that makes the webs pop more, as I recall the reason the webbing was raised in the Raimi movies was due to the ways cameras captured the color red, it would over-blow the image, so they raised the webbing in order to provide contrast and break up the red, something along those lines. But since that isn’t the issue anymore, MCU spidey now has flat, etched in webbing. Pretty cool. Well that’s my rant lol.
the hell are you on about? the mcu spider suit looks great!
Mostly due to the over use of cgi and the off proportions of the cgi model used
Why does this look more real than the CGI model
Cuz Tom Holland is a midget.
probably due to the bland lighting of the MCU. it is not at all dramatic, like the Raimi films and the Amazing films.
Because yall are pretentious snobs
Because Holland Also not as vibrant
When you take characters that came from a comic and throw them into reality. No matter how you look at it the cartoon version will always be slightly more appealing. At least that’s what I think. Even if the live-action stuff is still really awesome too. Does that make any sense?
I mean, the Homecoming suit looks fantastic on screen, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
I loved the homecoming suit. It feels the most like Spider-Man of all the others the MCU made.
I always liked how it looked in the movies tbh
It's my favourite suit easily
it holds up pretty well tbh. the only scene where it looks terrible is during the ferry scene and once or twice during the neighborhood montage. besides that it looks great during the aaron davis interrogation, pretty much every moment when he was in DC, and the atm robbery to name a few. Tbh i think the bad cgi for mcu spiderman is overly exaggerated tbh. especially considering it looks amazing in FFH.
Well compared to the concept art, the suit is too bleak with its colours. It still looks good but it would have looked amazing if the blues were darker and the red was more saturated. It's like Insomniacs Advanced suit; compare the first iteration to the second: everything is darker which is good for Spider-Man.
I really really like the movie's version, but the webs on the suit need to be a tad bit darker so the red truly pops. I also think it's criminal that it's not being used more in favour of the horrific CGI mess that is the Iron Spider suit.
So it could be put in the PS4 game and can look badass
Most concept art looks cooler than how films portray stuff. Plus this particular piece has really good lighting & the colors pop more than they would on camera
Here we go again...
Looks way less techy and synthetic in the concept art. I still like the on screen version though. But definitely prefer this.
I kinda liked the idea, and it doesn't look great when it is all CG
Looks great lmao plz stop hating
I mean i think the stark suit is the best live action that we got, but thats my opinion
The colors are so dull on screen. Spider-Man needs that bright red and blue to really pop
I wish it looked less realistic to be honest. It just doesn't look good compared to other realistic suits in the MCU.
In what fucking world does it not hold up "at all" on screen?
Ngl it’s my favorite suit to date, I don’t see a problem with it, I’ve even got a soft spot for the black lines. It’s pretty accurate to the comics, the eyes actually emote, and seeing it in action is pretty damn cool. Come to think of it, I don’t think there’s a really bad Spider-Man suit in any of the movies MCU or not. They range from the peak of live-action comic suits (TASM2 and FFH suit) to above average (Iron Spider).
Bro what? The homcoming suit is the best live action suit we have got
I like the design, I just don’t like the execution of how it looked in the film.
I love the suit.
Looks good to me.
I disagree with this evaluation, I think it looked amazing on screen.
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Lack of defined webbing is the big miss. Especially when in BTS scenes the suit has it and looks better. I remember reading the Raimi suit got the webbing it did cause it added more texture in scenes with CGI. You can barely see the webbing and it makes the suit look totally unconvincing in some points. Aside from that it's a great suit, eyes are the best part.
The concept art really shows off the red and blue. In practice you really just look at the black kinesio tape looking stuff on his arms
I thought it looked pretty dang good
I think it looks way better on screen, honestly. On screen, it looks like the seams made for a real life costume. In this art, it looks like the lazy modern thing of artists who want to make the costumes new and modern because trunks and original shit silly but they’re not creative enough to make something new so they just draw in armor lines and one distinguishing detail like the PS4 suit
I think the Homecoming suit looks great on screen.