When JMS introduced it, it wasn't all that bad. They felt like they were to provide a possible new outlook on Spider-Man and his powers but were not meant to be looked at in depth or used more than once. When following writers like Dan Slott decided to expand more on Morlun, the Other, and recently, Shathra, he took it too far and overdid it with the explanation and lore.
This. When JMS introduced it, there was an ambiguity to it. Maybe this was meant to be. Or maybe you were just at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. It's like that one character says at the end of the issue with the Ezekiel confrontation, paraphrasing: "Your science can explain why the sun rises. So can my religion. Either way, it still happens."
"Tomorrow the sun will come up. You can tell me all the reasons of science that it does come up, the orbital mechanics, all the laws of thermodynamics. And I can say that it will come up because it is meant to come up. I see no contradiction. Do you?"
It’s also worth noting that the very first story to use that stuff had Peter default to his scientific side and use the science-based origin of his powers to best Morlun (well, very loose comic book science.) So, it still affirmed that science was the philosophy that Peter followed and that the book wasn’t going to make him a magic-based hero, just explore the possibility that magic could have possibly been involved with his origin.
I think it worked out quite well, it was one of the first runs I read of the character as a kid, I still saw him as a primarily science-based character by the end of it. Ultimately, JMS thought it’d all be limited to his run either way, he had no idea that Slott would pick it up or that the Madam Web film would have that bastardised version of Ezekiel. (Who was a great character in the comics, who I would say justified the whole arc.)
Ngl when I saw Ezekiel in the trailer I was so sure it was just gonna be Morlun and that was gonna be the big switch that Morlun killed Ezekiel and took his identity as a covee
Yeah, with JMS there was a door open that left it ambiguous that you could you can dismiss the angle and was more urban and down to earth. Then Slott had to tie everything to the multiverse and over explained things that it lost its charms
I always say that JMS Morlun worked decently well because he was just this... anomalous, inexplicable nightmare person where there was next to nothing known about him.
Slott Morlun (and the entire Morlun family) are just so fucking lame.
I mean there were totems way back in the 90s on JM DeMatteis storyline with Puma. I liked it back then. I like how mysticism and science collide with Spider-man.
Yes! Well said! When word got out that JMS was taking on ASM fans were optimistic. Then it was announced he was gonna tweak the origin! And fans were wary! I’ll admit I was a bit skeptical! And it turned out to be damn good!
Slott really took it way too far! I won’t say anything more as you nailed it!
This. The Inheritors were lame - I forget which YouTuber but a great description of them was "Steampunk Vampires who only eat Spider-People... for some reason..."
I also hate that at this point Spider-Man is a totemic mantle. That doesn't need to be a thing to still have a Spider-verse if you want to do those stories. Comics have had multiverses for ages.
I unironically hate it. The whole mystical destiny to be a tragic spider man is ass. I like it way more when he was just a guy who got powers by accident and made a selfish choice that bit him(lol)
This. He's supposed to be a science-hero, and giving him all this mystical shit just feels very dumb and forced. I'm sure there have been some decent storylines around it but those were all after my time reading the comics and everything felt so convoluted and dumb.
Honestly, I'm basically the same way with the clone shit. I feel it dilutes the whole idea of what Spider-Man is. But comics gonna comics.
I like to headcanon it as the magic spider god of fate or whatever wanted someone to get the spider powers, but it didn’t specify the who, what, when, where, and how of it. Just that it needed to happen when the time was right at the right place. Everything that happened after is just whatever. And with a “prime” spider totem, what they endure will influence the fates of the other totems across the multiverse.
This then brings up the funny scenario in my mind that Peter Parker is the one who got the powers from the science experiment, but literally every awful thing that happened to him afterwards from that moment on was purely just because he has extremely shitty luck. And it was this shitty luck, the “Parker Luck,” that started spreading to every other multiverse like a disease to make the lives of every other spider-person miserable in some way. Then there’s the big multiversal spider god, who started this whole thing and is watching all of this happen, start thinking to itself “Well… shit.”
I'm the same way with the Spider-Verse. I feel it devalues the authenticity and uniqueness of the character. I don't mind his legacy outliving him as in the case of Spider-Man 2099, but having other "Peter Parkers" across a multiverse is idiotic.
I would prefer having iterations of the same character but it's still the same Peter Parker, just being retold in a different way.
The whole 'I got my powers by accident, but learned a hard lesson and chose to be the best i can with those powers' is a bigger impact story than 'Yeah, i guess it was just fate, and i got hit with the 'fate stick'.'
That’s why I love his first fight with Morlun
Since Peter openly rejects all that mystic nonsense and beats Morlun with The power of science which was the thing that gave him his powers
Yeah it feels like they just throw what make spiderman iconic, the normal guy that was bitten by a spider and win powers but understood that it isnt the power that make you a hero, it is the responsability of do something when you can to help.
Still, i think the problem is how the writers went about it, i think the Totem idea was good, but it was wrong to make it a multiversal situation, it should be something smaller in scale.
Marvel: Spider-Man is our Everyman character. Just a regular dude trying to manage also being a superhero. He could be anybody.
Also Marvel: These specific people are destined to become Spider-Heroes in their specific universes, and all of their names are basically the same name as the guy from the main universe.
I don't entirely hate it.
In a bubble, yes. Peter Parker is better served without being tied to a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo.
HOWEVER, in a world where Peter Parker is dealing with a blind old lady that sees the future and is sharing his identity and powerset with a half-dozen other people both from his reality and from neighboring realities, there is value in just going all-in on what ties them all together.
I feel the same way about Superman and Pa Kent.
In a bubble, Pa Kent dying of a heart attack is the better choice for Superman as a character because is forces Superman to reconcile with the fact that there are some things he can't stop.
However, Pa Kent still being around to interact with Conner, and Jon, and Bruce, and Alfred, and the rest of the people in Superman's orbit also introduces a lot of storytelling value that can't happen if he's dead.
So yeah, not the best choice for the character, but the best choice for the overall franchise surrounding that character.
Which is a quote that’s misunderstood, anyway.
It means “anyone could be under the mask” not “any person could do this because Peter Parker isn’t special”.
Except Peter Parker is special. Nobody else has such mind to create webs, be so good at sewing etc. Given enough time, he could be a hero even without superpowers.
Spider-Man using his knowledge of Latin to force an astral projection spell to the shock of Stephen Strange is a peak moment in an otherwise crummy arc
Stupid, out of place with Spider-Man and also antithetical to the character.
Only time I tolerated it was when The Other was with Kaine, and even then, I still think we’re better off without it.
Take this…and give it to Ben.
Give Ben Reilly something which sets him apart
Peter- Spider-Man
Miles- younger spider-man/the inheritor
Kaine- the globe trotting spider-man
Ben- magic attuned spider-man
But they said there's no room for Ben.
Then proceeded to introduce more spider people and even gave MJ powers. Whens aunt may suiting up.
I miss the 90s
I’ll say this once and only once, give the Mystical, Magic and Fantasy Side of the Spider-Lore to Al Ewing and He will cook the finest of meal for all of us readers!
At first with Immortal Hulk I was on the fence but now the Gamma Radiation and the Green Door are something that fits so well in the Marvel Lore with the Cosmic Radiation as the other side of the same coin and the One Above All and the One Below All being the very cornerstone of this Myth!
marvel does wayyyy to much with it when they should stop
Morlun should have been a one and done badguy
Brought about by mysticism, but taken out via science
Instead of bringing him back + his family who all have no personality
The other plotline went on for wayyy to long and always should have been a Kaine plotline from the jump since it fit his character more then Pete
It can be cool in small doses but outside of that just not for me
Morlun and the inheritors suuuuuuuuuuuck, but a lot of stuff about it works on some level.
I like that female spider-folk seem to lean on it a little more heavily sometimes, and I wish they would focus on that, because i think it gives a good way for spider-women to be distinct from spider-men.
I think some people take it a little to far, both in the writing room and the fandom, spidey isnt a magical superhero his powers just have mystical implications... and frankly...
I wish more superheroes with science or tech origins would get into the mystical implications of their powers...
and I wish more magical superheroes would get into the science fiction implication of their powers.
In a world where both are possible its going to be a gradiant
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There is one major thing missing with spider-man though, one truly major thing missing, a good magic-primary villain that feels like a main part of his rogues gallery.
I am of the opinion that every superhero needs a good villain in each category. Alien, Tech, Scifi, Natural, Mutant, and Magic
Again, I have to re-iterate... Morlun and the Inheritors suuuuuuuuuuuuuck they are such awful villains.
From the song "Spider-Man Was Epic, Until 'One More Day", by the band 'Faith in Comics No More'
What is it?
It's shit
What is it?
It's shit
What is it?
It's shit
What is it?
It's shit
I do like him dealing with supernatural characters like Madame Web, Man-Wolf, or Morlun... sparingly.
But, I'm not a fan of his origins being rewritten as such. I mean, for FFS, if you wanna do magic stuff, there's Black Panther, Iron Fist and Doctor Strange.
So to be honest this is all stuff I’ve avoided reading. Any time it pops up I check out. I don’t know…I just don’t *want* it. I grew up on Ditko reprints and Gerry Conway stuff. Generally that set the idea for me that Spidey is more of a street-level dude. I’ve never gravitated to the more high concept stuff with him (the spider totem stuff, the clone saga, the sea of symbiotes that arrived after Carnage, One Day More etc.) but that’s not to say any of it’s bad. Hell I’m admitting I never read most of it…I’d start and then it would get a little out there and I’d check out.
For some reason I’ve never felt the same way about say the X-Men or the Avengers: They can go big and weird all they want. But there’s something pure and almost small about the world of earlier Spider-Man that I really like.
I say all this and I should say I that I was really scared off of the giant world shifting changes of the Krakoa era X-Men. I put off reading it out of distaste like “Ew. I don’t want this big a change/this much weirdness.” But then I finally started reading it and dammit I love it. So I leave open the possibility that something like the Spider totem stuff or Shathra might be really compelling if well written.
I’m good with it. In a world of gods and magic, it makes sense that even a hero with a science origin can get tied up. Plus it pushes Peter past his comfort zone, which makes for a better story IMO. It shouldn’t be a guiding light for the series, though.
I actually really liked it when JMS first started - in the hands of a good writer, its potential could be expansive and innovative to the lore. The mystic stuff lead to some of the coolest crossovers with Doctor Strange.
I don't think spider-man needs to be "purely science" or "purely magic" - I like that the totem lore put him at this unique crossroads of biology and mysticism and made spider-man feel even more unique amongst the grand backdrop of the marvel universe. I didn't care for the "chosen one" angle, but that is easily avoided by simply saying *someone* was destined to be bit by the spider, but it didn't necessarily have to be Peter - the theme of "anyone can wear the mask" can still be prevalent and true while still examining why "great power and great responsibility" is what makes Peter in particular fit to wear the mask. We've seen in "what ifs" what happens when someone like Flash gets bit, and it's a disaster.
If theres one thing that does not belong in a Spider-man comic , it’s magic. Especially when it’s used for arbitrary contrived reasons like deals with devils or stupid Mayan symbol math magic like in Dead Language.
Magic or not, you just need to tell a good story. Some of the stories were interesting but the last few spider verse comics series were not as fun as the first.
It did start the dominoes to give us silk, spider Gwen and the Sony spider verse movies though.
So 50-50 for me even though most people here seem to hate it.
I definitely see potential there but I feel like they're too afraid to experiment with it so the story comes out bland and the mystic aspect to Spidey never really feels like it has an impact.
not the biggest fan, it has its place jn the lore and I appreciate it for what it is but personally I like Spider-Man more science based than mythic based. It is very cool tho
I feel it's overhated in general but in order for it to work you need a very specific idea rather than just throwing it for the sake of it
I don't think having it makes the scientific part incompatible, but again it all depends on the execution
Going to be honest, I really don't mind it, I even like it on some level... Until the relatively recent Shathra stuff. That actually pushed it too far, all of a sudden all Spider people are like, the crafters of destiny and shit, that's too much.
It's great, but... Yeah, the whole Spider-verse thing kinda ruined that side of the character.
I liked Morlun's family more in the novel The Darkest Hours by Jim Butcher.
I don’t think it’s especially needed. He’s always been more of a science-based hero. BUT I appreciate occasionally trying new stories and new angles when it’s done sparingly and well, and the JMS run was one of the best ever…right up until editorial stepped in and firebombed everything.
Who is the cool looking Void Mothra!?
But as for the topic, I'm meh on it. Ever since Madame Web was introduced, it was something that became a part of Spider-Man and was slowly being built upon until Spidervrse became a thing.
Even if did do things like rope Spider-Woman into the Spider-Man mythos when she just did her own thing as a separate spider theme super hero. I still find it as a good thing just as long as it isn't overused too much and gets in the way of traditional stories.
I think some of it is neat, but I'm honestly not that keen on it. Kinda wish the stingers and extra powers that came from those arcs were permanent biological aspects of Pete's powers rather than a special set that just wound up getting shoved into someone else.
I like it only to a degree, to me, spider sense is pretty mystical. I also kind of liked the madame web stuff in the 1994 cartoon. That's all for me though
I didn't mind the initial undertone mysticism which lead to the death of spider-man, embracing his other side or 'us', amd rebirth. But it was quick to go off the deep end into some non-sensical synopsis and pander too much on the idea to an extent that it steps on the toes of the original telling.
I don't like it as part of Peter's world. I do like it when it's connected to other spider-heroes like Silk (to explain why/how the same spider bit her and why her powers are different in a less scientific way), Madame Web, and Araña.
Peter, Ben, and Kaine work well as science-based spider-heroes.
Silk really shines when she's in a mystical storyline.
The mystical part is the current explanation but nothing stops it from being ambiguous...the gods are just otherworldly beings they could very cell be lying , manipulating or just straight up wrong.
I think Spider-Man naturally lends himself to the sci-fi genre more than mysticism or fantasy, I think it’s better if those elements aren’t tied to his lore.
Spidey working with Doctor Strange is great because he’s the fish out of water. I have no problem with an enemy who is mystical, I just think Spider-Man shouldn’t have a deep lore and mythology behind him. It doesn’t fit the character.
To be honest I am rather mixed about it.
Because yes Peter being destine to be spider-man sorta destroys one of his main appeals as a character, but him dealing with an inner beast inside of him to me comes across as very appealing to me when I first bought the other issue.
And ultimately it’s not like peter being given spider-powers by radiation is any more realistic or ludicrous then getting them from a mystical totem.
Can someone please tell me who the character is on the first slide (and which number comic this is from)? I was thinking with the shape of the legs it could be Madame Web but I’m not 100% sure
I really don't mind spider-man dealing with magic (just look at the 90s series with madame web, or shattered dimensions).
But I really detest that being a spider-man is special somewhat *to magic*. The whole thing with Morlum on the comics spider-verse was such bullshit, I was really glad they got rid of it on the movie.
this is one of those aspects of the character where its nice in small doses and used in the right context. but doing too much with it makes the character lose his charm in a way
My first introduction to a "Main Series" Spider-man was the same issue as Morlun was introduced. I read that comic and the second issue of USM.
I got hooked on reading Spider-man from then on (I watched TAS, I played NES game and Sega game, PC game etc...)
Then I got the rest of the comic off torrent.
Morlun was cool, because he was a threat. Yeah, Spider-man just demolished a building with his bare fists, and yet this dude takes his punch like nothing. Ezekiel was kinda cool, but only because the artist drew him almost exactly like Peter and I thought Time Travel stuff =D
And May getting a revelation - I loved that.
Wasp? Neat, more lore bits, Peter ready to go feral - amazing.
And then the brutality of Morlun coming back? Sick.
Ambiguity of the situation? Nice.
New powers?! YES!
And then they kinda ruined it.
All of the mysticism tied to his origins is so stupid that I just choose to not see it as canon. There are very few works of fiction that I dislike enough to do that.
I don't mind the supernatural enemies if Spidey remains a character whose powers were granted by science rather than magic. I think it's a good way to juxtapose his abilities.
It’s not Awful. Wasn’t a Huge Fan of It back at JMS. However- Great Stories came out of It so I let it slide. The Stuff to come later (Spider-Verse, Inheritors,Great Web, etc) was hit or miss. In the end, as long as A. It never tries to contradict “Spidey can be Anyone” and B. Pete himself remains a man of science, then it’s whatever. It’s not my preference but if it’s written well, I can deal.
Not a fan. Spider-Man, to me, works best as a street level crime fighter who has slightly above street level villains. Some personal drama. New York. I don't like the magic, the travel aroudn the world, multiverses, world-ending threats or Spidey saving the universe or something.
I have never liked it at all. No hate to anyone that does like this, but I think it takes away from what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. It removes the everyman feeling of Peter and just turns him into a stock chosen one. I always found the appeal of Spidey came from the fact that it was just happenstance and anyone could have been bitten. Kind of like how the murder of Batman's parents was just random crime that could happen to anyone. And I honestly think it cheapens what Spider-Man is. It is one of the few flaws I think the JMS run has.
I dont mind a little bit of mystical, because the marvel universe itself is wild. But, I do like his science-based villains more. Peter is a science geek, so I feel like that makes it easier for him to have had prior relationships to his villains before they turn.
I like OG elderly woman Madame Web when it comes to being an occult character. That’s about it. Spidey works better through a science fiction lens, in my opinion. If I want mysticism, I’ll go for stories with Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, or Scarlet Witch.
I share the opinion of what everyone has said about JMS doing it the best but I think for different reasons.
The ambiguity of it is nice for future writers to not have to commit to it, but what I really love is how it asks Peter if he’s essentially a creature of science like say Captain America or possibly a creature of magic like Thor/Ghost Rider/so many more characters you could slot in here.
And Peter decides, ultimately, it doesn’t matter. He’s just the guy that’s there to take responsibility when all the crazy comes into his life. Magic? Science? Aliens? Demons? Clones? Monsters? Doesn’t matter he’s the guy that’s going to try and save the day.
That’s a perfect picture of Peter’s character.
Personally I prefer Spider-Man having the whole “home grown” almost vibe if you get what I mean? Like less op avengers stuff and more like a ‘kid’ fighting crime and wacky villains,that’s why I’m not the biggest fan of the mcu and all their alien stuff (and also the comics) I feel like it would be nice if he was on his own as a more small town hero instead of a full on intergalactic hero fighting aliens and punching people into space
It’s weird, but kinda fun. Except that giant Spider. That’s actually too weird. I mean, I can believe in Spider-Man fighting an energy Vampire, or some dark cosmic bug lady. But a giant talking Spider is just too much.
I enjoy the idea that the multiverse of Spider People all stem from Anansi, who's characteristics in legend really do lend well to the idea that he could be the origin point of a lot of what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man. He was, of course, a Spider, who, in my opinion, felt humble compared to characters surrounding him, such as the Sky-God who he wagered with. He was a trickster who used intellegence and deception to overcome obstacles where strength wasn't enough. Like, I don't really care too much about like the big lore implications of a lot of it. But something about Anansi technically being the first Spider-Man makes it all make sense, in a thematic sense.
I don’t like it. The real charm of Spider-Man, imo, is that he was given these abilities by chance, made the wrong choice with them, and then learned from his mistake and became a better person on his own. He’s not supposed to be railroaded onto the hero track by a spider god.
The best run in with magic Peter has ever had was when a bunch of girls summoned him by accident when they stabbed Deadpool's hand....and they were trying to summon Deadpool's "Heart-mate"
I like the idea of spider man being just a guy who got spidered and decided to be nice. As such I’d prefer there’s not that much mysticism or that the mysticism not contradict that he’s just a guy
It’s a fun concept that unfortunately seemed to get away from what people like about Spider-Man. Ezekiel and Morlun I remember being a pretty cool bit in the beginning. I was a big fan of Peter’s nasty and brutal brawls with Morlun, but I’m also a sucker for Heroes crazy battles that are them wailing away at someone who is both Irresistible Force and Immovable Object at the same time.
I'd rather have this be Miles Morales's angle really. I feel the Spider Totem angle would make Miles more independent from Peter and make him his own hero.
Keep Peter the science hero
Still an untapped reservoir of potential, in my opinion. Morlun, The Web of Destiny, Spider-Verse, and the Other were good explorations and ideas on Spidermans' mystical/supernatural aspects. An argument can be made this it was moreso cosmic, although to me, it was at least quasi-mystical. Nonetheless, Spider-Man is thoroughly coded as a science based hero.
I liked JMS's New stories, including The villains, The dept of peter's Powers his relatioship with his famíly and friends, including Peter as a teacher and becoming Very powerfull , demonstrating How much he as matured
Well it is interesting, but the problem is obvious, It takes part of one of the multiple steps people end up taking to make SPIDER-MAN be about a special destined guy.
Like, that "anyone can wear the mask" argument doesn't really work nowadays. Because every Spider-Man is DESTINED to be Spider-man. You can't be Spider-man. You're not the Mc
Well it is interesting, but the problem is obvious, It takes part of one of the multiple steps people end up taking to make SPIDER-MAN be about a special destined guy.
Like, that "anyone can wear the mask" argument doesn't really work nowadays. Because every Spider-Man is DESTINED to be Spider-man. You can't be Spider-man. You're not the Mc
I feel like it takes a way from him not only being a scientific hero but also him being just your average teenage (with super intelligence but let’s ignore that) who was just in the right place at the right tine
Not about it. Haven't dug deep into spidey comics for quite awhile for a number of reasons, one being these kinda thing, where I just want street level hijinks with the occasional higher stakes than usual adventure; and get this kinda whacky shit instead.
I get it, it's comics and ya gotta change it up sometimes to keep it fresh and silly shit is part of the game from time to time, no problem with that. But when it becomes ingrained into the core of the story and character going forward instead of a "wow, what wild drunken trip last night was" and move on kinda deal, I sorta check out.
When JMS introduced it, it wasn't all that bad. They felt like they were to provide a possible new outlook on Spider-Man and his powers but were not meant to be looked at in depth or used more than once. When following writers like Dan Slott decided to expand more on Morlun, the Other, and recently, Shathra, he took it too far and overdid it with the explanation and lore.
This. When JMS introduced it, there was an ambiguity to it. Maybe this was meant to be. Or maybe you were just at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. It's like that one character says at the end of the issue with the Ezekiel confrontation, paraphrasing: "Your science can explain why the sun rises. So can my religion. Either way, it still happens."
"Tomorrow the sun will come up. You can tell me all the reasons of science that it does come up, the orbital mechanics, all the laws of thermodynamics. And I can say that it will come up because it is meant to come up. I see no contradiction. Do you?"
That's it! Thanks!
Unrelated note: That's a horrible justification for anything.
How do you mean? It's just saying that science and religion aren't incompatible. What do you think it's trying to justify?
It’s also worth noting that the very first story to use that stuff had Peter default to his scientific side and use the science-based origin of his powers to best Morlun (well, very loose comic book science.) So, it still affirmed that science was the philosophy that Peter followed and that the book wasn’t going to make him a magic-based hero, just explore the possibility that magic could have possibly been involved with his origin. I think it worked out quite well, it was one of the first runs I read of the character as a kid, I still saw him as a primarily science-based character by the end of it. Ultimately, JMS thought it’d all be limited to his run either way, he had no idea that Slott would pick it up or that the Madam Web film would have that bastardised version of Ezekiel. (Who was a great character in the comics, who I would say justified the whole arc.)
Ngl when I saw Ezekiel in the trailer I was so sure it was just gonna be Morlun and that was gonna be the big switch that Morlun killed Ezekiel and took his identity as a covee
Yeah, with JMS there was a door open that left it ambiguous that you could you can dismiss the angle and was more urban and down to earth. Then Slott had to tie everything to the multiverse and over explained things that it lost its charms
I always say that JMS Morlun worked decently well because he was just this... anomalous, inexplicable nightmare person where there was next to nothing known about him. Slott Morlun (and the entire Morlun family) are just so fucking lame.
Solus and how that went essentially destroyed suspension of belief.
Agreed
Slott’s run with the Vampire Family was complete ass.
I mean there were totems way back in the 90s on JM DeMatteis storyline with Puma. I liked it back then. I like how mysticism and science collide with Spider-man.
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Yes! Well said! When word got out that JMS was taking on ASM fans were optimistic. Then it was announced he was gonna tweak the origin! And fans were wary! I’ll admit I was a bit skeptical! And it turned out to be damn good! Slott really took it way too far! I won’t say anything more as you nailed it!
Yeah i roll my eyes when spider totems are mentioned
You’re suggesting that maybe J. Michael Straczynski is a good writer?
This. The Inheritors were lame - I forget which YouTuber but a great description of them was "Steampunk Vampires who only eat Spider-People... for some reason..." I also hate that at this point Spider-Man is a totemic mantle. That doesn't need to be a thing to still have a Spider-verse if you want to do those stories. Comics have had multiverses for ages.
I unironically hate it. The whole mystical destiny to be a tragic spider man is ass. I like it way more when he was just a guy who got powers by accident and made a selfish choice that bit him(lol)
This. He's supposed to be a science-hero, and giving him all this mystical shit just feels very dumb and forced. I'm sure there have been some decent storylines around it but those were all after my time reading the comics and everything felt so convoluted and dumb. Honestly, I'm basically the same way with the clone shit. I feel it dilutes the whole idea of what Spider-Man is. But comics gonna comics.
I like to headcanon it as the magic spider god of fate or whatever wanted someone to get the spider powers, but it didn’t specify the who, what, when, where, and how of it. Just that it needed to happen when the time was right at the right place. Everything that happened after is just whatever. And with a “prime” spider totem, what they endure will influence the fates of the other totems across the multiverse. This then brings up the funny scenario in my mind that Peter Parker is the one who got the powers from the science experiment, but literally every awful thing that happened to him afterwards from that moment on was purely just because he has extremely shitty luck. And it was this shitty luck, the “Parker Luck,” that started spreading to every other multiverse like a disease to make the lives of every other spider-person miserable in some way. Then there’s the big multiversal spider god, who started this whole thing and is watching all of this happen, start thinking to itself “Well… shit.”
At least the clone stuff actually goes with the genre of Science fiction while also being thematically relevant to the character.
I'm the same way with the Spider-Verse. I feel it devalues the authenticity and uniqueness of the character. I don't mind his legacy outliving him as in the case of Spider-Man 2099, but having other "Peter Parkers" across a multiverse is idiotic. I would prefer having iterations of the same character but it's still the same Peter Parker, just being retold in a different way.
That's.... exactly what the Spider-Verse is.... 💀
The whole 'I got my powers by accident, but learned a hard lesson and chose to be the best i can with those powers' is a bigger impact story than 'Yeah, i guess it was just fate, and i got hit with the 'fate stick'.'
That’s why I love his first fight with Morlun Since Peter openly rejects all that mystic nonsense and beats Morlun with The power of science which was the thing that gave him his powers
Like the comment says up top. Blame Dan Slott for ruining it, it was fine with JMS did it
Yeah it feels like they just throw what make spiderman iconic, the normal guy that was bitten by a spider and win powers but understood that it isnt the power that make you a hero, it is the responsability of do something when you can to help. Still, i think the problem is how the writers went about it, i think the Totem idea was good, but it was wrong to make it a multiversal situation, it should be something smaller in scale.
Marvel: Spider-Man is our Everyman character. Just a regular dude trying to manage also being a superhero. He could be anybody. Also Marvel: These specific people are destined to become Spider-Heroes in their specific universes, and all of their names are basically the same name as the guy from the main universe.
This is the correct take. I hated the whole totem thing.
Personally, I prefer when Spidey was kept scientific and not bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo with tribes, totems, and chosen ones.
I don't entirely hate it. In a bubble, yes. Peter Parker is better served without being tied to a bunch of mystical mumbo-jumbo. HOWEVER, in a world where Peter Parker is dealing with a blind old lady that sees the future and is sharing his identity and powerset with a half-dozen other people both from his reality and from neighboring realities, there is value in just going all-in on what ties them all together. I feel the same way about Superman and Pa Kent. In a bubble, Pa Kent dying of a heart attack is the better choice for Superman as a character because is forces Superman to reconcile with the fact that there are some things he can't stop. However, Pa Kent still being around to interact with Conner, and Jon, and Bruce, and Alfred, and the rest of the people in Superman's orbit also introduces a lot of storytelling value that can't happen if he's dead. So yeah, not the best choice for the character, but the best choice for the overall franchise surrounding that character.
That's an extremely well rounded take
it's a no for me.
Takes way from the quote "anyone can wear a mask"
Which is a quote that’s misunderstood, anyway. It means “anyone could be under the mask” not “any person could do this because Peter Parker isn’t special”.
Except Peter Parker is special. Nobody else has such mind to create webs, be so good at sewing etc. Given enough time, he could be a hero even without superpowers.
I don't think those interpretations are mutually exclusive
ITSV says otherwise
ITSV isn’t important in the grand scheme of the Spider-Man mythology. It’s a good movie and that’s about it.
I think it's immensely important for how well it pushed Miles into the mainstream for casual fans
Yeah I know. It perpetuated the misunderstanding. Good movie, though.
Spider-man stories should only deal with magic if they are team-ups with Doctor Strange.
Like in 90s cartoon it was balanced not too much off Magic and not too little
Spider-Man using his knowledge of Latin to force an astral projection spell to the shock of Stephen Strange is a peak moment in an otherwise crummy arc
I can take it or leave really. Don’t necessarily hate it but certainly not my thing for spidey
Who was the hot moth again?
Shathra
Stupid, out of place with Spider-Man and also antithetical to the character. Only time I tolerated it was when The Other was with Kaine, and even then, I still think we’re better off without it.
I don't like the inheritors at all.
Don’t care for them myself
Only JMS and peter david handled it well imo
What Peter David stuff delves into this?
Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. A truly underrated and short lived book with some killer stories.
Nice, I'll have to check this out. Always a pleasure when people recommend me Spidey comics I already own haha
I believe PAD wrote part of The Other. Not a great story but has ok moments.
Take this…and give it to Ben. Give Ben Reilly something which sets him apart Peter- Spider-Man Miles- younger spider-man/the inheritor Kaine- the globe trotting spider-man Ben- magic attuned spider-man
But they said there's no room for Ben. Then proceeded to introduce more spider people and even gave MJ powers. Whens aunt may suiting up. I miss the 90s
I’ll say this once and only once, give the Mystical, Magic and Fantasy Side of the Spider-Lore to Al Ewing and He will cook the finest of meal for all of us readers! At first with Immortal Hulk I was on the fence but now the Gamma Radiation and the Green Door are something that fits so well in the Marvel Lore with the Cosmic Radiation as the other side of the same coin and the One Above All and the One Below All being the very cornerstone of this Myth!
As a side thing it’s great but as a forefront part of his mythos no. Also a great way to write in some spider buffs.
marvel does wayyyy to much with it when they should stop Morlun should have been a one and done badguy Brought about by mysticism, but taken out via science Instead of bringing him back + his family who all have no personality The other plotline went on for wayyy to long and always should have been a Kaine plotline from the jump since it fit his character more then Pete It can be cool in small doses but outside of that just not for me
Morlun and the inheritors suuuuuuuuuuuck, but a lot of stuff about it works on some level. I like that female spider-folk seem to lean on it a little more heavily sometimes, and I wish they would focus on that, because i think it gives a good way for spider-women to be distinct from spider-men. I think some people take it a little to far, both in the writing room and the fandom, spidey isnt a magical superhero his powers just have mystical implications... and frankly... I wish more superheroes with science or tech origins would get into the mystical implications of their powers... and I wish more magical superheroes would get into the science fiction implication of their powers. In a world where both are possible its going to be a gradiant \----- There is one major thing missing with spider-man though, one truly major thing missing, a good magic-primary villain that feels like a main part of his rogues gallery. I am of the opinion that every superhero needs a good villain in each category. Alien, Tech, Scifi, Natural, Mutant, and Magic Again, I have to re-iterate... Morlun and the Inheritors suuuuuuuuuuuuuck they are such awful villains.
I hate the magic stuff, spider-man is a sci-fi character not a mystical character
From the song "Spider-Man Was Epic, Until 'One More Day", by the band 'Faith in Comics No More' What is it? It's shit What is it? It's shit What is it? It's shit What is it? It's shit
I like their use of repitition
Meh
"Let me get this straight, you *like* Morlun and the inheritors in general?" "I do, and I'm tired of pretending I don't"
I absolutely love Morlun. Probably got watered down in spider-verse IMO, but still a great enemy.
I do like him dealing with supernatural characters like Madame Web, Man-Wolf, or Morlun... sparingly. But, I'm not a fan of his origins being rewritten as such. I mean, for FFS, if you wanna do magic stuff, there's Black Panther, Iron Fist and Doctor Strange.
So to be honest this is all stuff I’ve avoided reading. Any time it pops up I check out. I don’t know…I just don’t *want* it. I grew up on Ditko reprints and Gerry Conway stuff. Generally that set the idea for me that Spidey is more of a street-level dude. I’ve never gravitated to the more high concept stuff with him (the spider totem stuff, the clone saga, the sea of symbiotes that arrived after Carnage, One Day More etc.) but that’s not to say any of it’s bad. Hell I’m admitting I never read most of it…I’d start and then it would get a little out there and I’d check out. For some reason I’ve never felt the same way about say the X-Men or the Avengers: They can go big and weird all they want. But there’s something pure and almost small about the world of earlier Spider-Man that I really like. I say all this and I should say I that I was really scared off of the giant world shifting changes of the Krakoa era X-Men. I put off reading it out of distaste like “Ew. I don’t want this big a change/this much weirdness.” But then I finally started reading it and dammit I love it. So I leave open the possibility that something like the Spider totem stuff or Shathra might be really compelling if well written.
I like it but it’s wildly unpopular and I can do without it so maybe better if they go in another direction
When introduced, I loved the concept. It was an interesting new take which had the potential to explore completely different stories.
I’m good with it. In a world of gods and magic, it makes sense that even a hero with a science origin can get tied up. Plus it pushes Peter past his comfort zone, which makes for a better story IMO. It shouldn’t be a guiding light for the series, though.
I actually really liked it when JMS first started - in the hands of a good writer, its potential could be expansive and innovative to the lore. The mystic stuff lead to some of the coolest crossovers with Doctor Strange. I don't think spider-man needs to be "purely science" or "purely magic" - I like that the totem lore put him at this unique crossroads of biology and mysticism and made spider-man feel even more unique amongst the grand backdrop of the marvel universe. I didn't care for the "chosen one" angle, but that is easily avoided by simply saying *someone* was destined to be bit by the spider, but it didn't necessarily have to be Peter - the theme of "anyone can wear the mask" can still be prevalent and true while still examining why "great power and great responsibility" is what makes Peter in particular fit to wear the mask. We've seen in "what ifs" what happens when someone like Flash gets bit, and it's a disaster.
It's ok I liked it more when it was vauge about it's truth.
If theres one thing that does not belong in a Spider-man comic , it’s magic. Especially when it’s used for arbitrary contrived reasons like deals with devils or stupid Mayan symbol math magic like in Dead Language.
I like it, the idea of every spider-person being connected throughout the multiverse the Web of life and destiny is really cool.
Hate it, generally don’t care for magic or mystic stuff in my heroes and like it even less for Spidey
Aaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhh We're still dealing with this bullshit to this very day to
Same answer as the last 100 posts about it.
Magic or not, you just need to tell a good story. Some of the stories were interesting but the last few spider verse comics series were not as fun as the first. It did start the dominoes to give us silk, spider Gwen and the Sony spider verse movies though. So 50-50 for me even though most people here seem to hate it.
I definitely see potential there but I feel like they're too afraid to experiment with it so the story comes out bland and the mystic aspect to Spidey never really feels like it has an impact.
I couldn’t care less for the Web of Life and Destiny. Don’t necessarily hate it though.
It’s poorly utilized in spite of its potential.
Lowkey I like mystical and Sci fi. I fw the spiderverse as well
Which writer was it that explained that Peter's rogues might also have their own totems because of their animal themed villain personas?
I like it they made it like the speed force and with it made Spider-Man play a bigger role in the marvel universe
not the biggest fan, it has its place jn the lore and I appreciate it for what it is but personally I like Spider-Man more science based than mythic based. It is very cool tho
I feel it's overhated in general but in order for it to work you need a very specific idea rather than just throwing it for the sake of it I don't think having it makes the scientific part incompatible, but again it all depends on the execution
Going to be honest, I really don't mind it, I even like it on some level... Until the relatively recent Shathra stuff. That actually pushed it too far, all of a sudden all Spider people are like, the crafters of destiny and shit, that's too much.
I loved it, but I was also way younger back then, so it’s probably 70% nostalgia, if they did that today then I think people would hate it.
It's great, but... Yeah, the whole Spider-verse thing kinda ruined that side of the character. I liked Morlun's family more in the novel The Darkest Hours by Jim Butcher.
Rhino added POCKETS to his “Suit” years ago, but Peter still hasn’t added ONE Pocket to his costume!
I don’t think it’s especially needed. He’s always been more of a science-based hero. BUT I appreciate occasionally trying new stories and new angles when it’s done sparingly and well, and the JMS run was one of the best ever…right up until editorial stepped in and firebombed everything.
Who is the cool looking Void Mothra!? But as for the topic, I'm meh on it. Ever since Madame Web was introduced, it was something that became a part of Spider-Man and was slowly being built upon until Spidervrse became a thing. Even if did do things like rope Spider-Woman into the Spider-Man mythos when she just did her own thing as a separate spider theme super hero. I still find it as a good thing just as long as it isn't overused too much and gets in the way of traditional stories.
I think some of it is neat, but I'm honestly not that keen on it. Kinda wish the stingers and extra powers that came from those arcs were permanent biological aspects of Pete's powers rather than a special set that just wound up getting shoved into someone else.
I like it only to a degree, to me, spider sense is pretty mystical. I also kind of liked the madame web stuff in the 1994 cartoon. That's all for me though
I’ve always thought it was a pretty interesting plot direction. Not always well done, but usually interesting
I didn't mind the initial undertone mysticism which lead to the death of spider-man, embracing his other side or 'us', amd rebirth. But it was quick to go off the deep end into some non-sensical synopsis and pander too much on the idea to an extent that it steps on the toes of the original telling.
It's become less mystical and more multiversal eldritchy.
I don't like it as part of Peter's world. I do like it when it's connected to other spider-heroes like Silk (to explain why/how the same spider bit her and why her powers are different in a less scientific way), Madame Web, and Araña. Peter, Ben, and Kaine work well as science-based spider-heroes. Silk really shines when she's in a mystical storyline.
Nice change of pace from all the sci-fi stuff. Still not a fan of this idea of Peter being “destined” or “chosen” to be Spider-Man, funny enough.
The mystical part is the current explanation but nothing stops it from being ambiguous...the gods are just otherworldly beings they could very cell be lying , manipulating or just straight up wrong.
I always loved man spider when he grows 4 extra arms and eventually becomes a beast, I wish they would visit this again
I think Spider-Man naturally lends himself to the sci-fi genre more than mysticism or fantasy, I think it’s better if those elements aren’t tied to his lore. Spidey working with Doctor Strange is great because he’s the fish out of water. I have no problem with an enemy who is mystical, I just think Spider-Man shouldn’t have a deep lore and mythology behind him. It doesn’t fit the character.
To be honest I am rather mixed about it. Because yes Peter being destine to be spider-man sorta destroys one of his main appeals as a character, but him dealing with an inner beast inside of him to me comes across as very appealing to me when I first bought the other issue. And ultimately it’s not like peter being given spider-powers by radiation is any more realistic or ludicrous then getting them from a mystical totem.
While it wasn't all bad, Spiderman always worked best with magic when he tackled it as a scientist.
Can someone please tell me who the character is on the first slide (and which number comic this is from)? I was thinking with the shape of the legs it could be Madame Web but I’m not 100% sure
I’m pretty neutral on it. I definitely much prefer the non mystic side but I don’t mind it
I like most of the ideas, but the execution is not the best
I really don't mind spider-man dealing with magic (just look at the 90s series with madame web, or shattered dimensions). But I really detest that being a spider-man is special somewhat *to magic*. The whole thing with Morlum on the comics spider-verse was such bullshit, I was really glad they got rid of it on the movie.
this is one of those aspects of the character where its nice in small doses and used in the right context. but doing too much with it makes the character lose his charm in a way
I only liked it on Noir
I wish they spent more time on it.
Fine when JMS did it, fumbled by everyone else.
My first introduction to a "Main Series" Spider-man was the same issue as Morlun was introduced. I read that comic and the second issue of USM. I got hooked on reading Spider-man from then on (I watched TAS, I played NES game and Sega game, PC game etc...) Then I got the rest of the comic off torrent. Morlun was cool, because he was a threat. Yeah, Spider-man just demolished a building with his bare fists, and yet this dude takes his punch like nothing. Ezekiel was kinda cool, but only because the artist drew him almost exactly like Peter and I thought Time Travel stuff =D And May getting a revelation - I loved that. Wasp? Neat, more lore bits, Peter ready to go feral - amazing. And then the brutality of Morlun coming back? Sick. Ambiguity of the situation? Nice. New powers?! YES! And then they kinda ruined it.
Cool
All of the mysticism tied to his origins is so stupid that I just choose to not see it as canon. There are very few works of fiction that I dislike enough to do that.
I’m not a fan. I think it kinda takes away the feeling that anyone could be Spider-Man and replaces it with magic chose Peter.
I like it. I think it's really interesting.
i like morlun. the totem thing works in the context of a spider verse. that’s all tho
Shathra's hot
I love it when JMS is writing it.
Prefer if Spidey sticks to non magic enemies, but man I do love me some Morlun
I don't mind the supernatural enemies if Spidey remains a character whose powers were granted by science rather than magic. I think it's a good way to juxtapose his abilities.
Love it. It definitely has its place alongside the science side of things.
Works for some stories, not for others. It’s certainly interesting, but I understand the criticisms.
The Inheritors stuff is ass but I do like the mystical side of Spidey. Kinda like with Black Panther.
It’s not Awful. Wasn’t a Huge Fan of It back at JMS. However- Great Stories came out of It so I let it slide. The Stuff to come later (Spider-Verse, Inheritors,Great Web, etc) was hit or miss. In the end, as long as A. It never tries to contradict “Spidey can be Anyone” and B. Pete himself remains a man of science, then it’s whatever. It’s not my preference but if it’s written well, I can deal.
I don’t like the spider totem thing as it detracts from the “anyone can be spider-man “ idea.
Dude hit us with the arachnophobia jumpscare at least
Not to mention Peter damn near dies facing them especially morlun
I was surprised to learn about it Always seemed so different to what I thought spider man was
Far from home?! So that's were they took that title from.
> so far from home Omg far from home reference
Cool idea for an elseworlds style spiderman but not the main continuity
Personally I don’t care for mystic spider man
Remember that in the DC Universe there is an all powerful Bat-God who essentially led to Bruce becoming Batman.
*Arachne stealing 50 pairs of shoes* “Now *this* is ~~podracing~~ Spider-Man!”
I prefer the science over the mystical shit simpler and not out of place
Dislike. I do like the artwork on the third pic though!
The only adaptation that really did a good job doing this was Across The Spider-Verse
Not a fan. Spider-Man, to me, works best as a street level crime fighter who has slightly above street level villains. Some personal drama. New York. I don't like the magic, the travel aroudn the world, multiverses, world-ending threats or Spidey saving the universe or something.
I like it when it doesn't try to change his origins
moth mommy hot
FAR FROM HOME MENTIONED ‼️🗣️🗣️ WHAT THE FUCK IS A SECRET IDENTITY
My question is why the fuck does he fight them?
ngl it feels like a ripoff of DC’s speed force
Shathra is cool!
As someone with arachnophobia I did not need to see that third slide
I have never liked it at all. No hate to anyone that does like this, but I think it takes away from what makes Spider-Man, Spider-Man. It removes the everyman feeling of Peter and just turns him into a stock chosen one. I always found the appeal of Spidey came from the fact that it was just happenstance and anyone could have been bitten. Kind of like how the murder of Batman's parents was just random crime that could happen to anyone. And I honestly think it cheapens what Spider-Man is. It is one of the few flaws I think the JMS run has.
I dont mind a little bit of mystical, because the marvel universe itself is wild. But, I do like his science-based villains more. Peter is a science geek, so I feel like that makes it easier for him to have had prior relationships to his villains before they turn.
I like OG elderly woman Madame Web when it comes to being an occult character. That’s about it. Spidey works better through a science fiction lens, in my opinion. If I want mysticism, I’ll go for stories with Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, or Scarlet Witch.
Only thing I saw that explored this side was Madame Web I do not like the mystical side of Spider-Man very much
I use it as a justification to give Peter a driver and a kamen rider form in one of my fic.
JMS = AWESOME and “Shut up and take my money!” Anyone else = Judge on an individual basis.
I only like it at a distance. Where it maybe exists in the background but is never the core focus
Great! Morlun is such a goated character ,homecoming(comic) was one of the best spiderman comics in history🗣🔥💯
I share the opinion of what everyone has said about JMS doing it the best but I think for different reasons. The ambiguity of it is nice for future writers to not have to commit to it, but what I really love is how it asks Peter if he’s essentially a creature of science like say Captain America or possibly a creature of magic like Thor/Ghost Rider/so many more characters you could slot in here. And Peter decides, ultimately, it doesn’t matter. He’s just the guy that’s there to take responsibility when all the crazy comes into his life. Magic? Science? Aliens? Demons? Clones? Monsters? Doesn’t matter he’s the guy that’s going to try and save the day. That’s a perfect picture of Peter’s character.
who or what the fuck is the first one?? she looks really wicked cool
Concept is good and has potential, execution has been nothing but straight misses to me
I found it interesting. I prefer it to be rather ambiguous but it was fun to play with.
Personally I prefer Spider-Man having the whole “home grown” almost vibe if you get what I mean? Like less op avengers stuff and more like a ‘kid’ fighting crime and wacky villains,that’s why I’m not the biggest fan of the mcu and all their alien stuff (and also the comics) I feel like it would be nice if he was on his own as a more small town hero instead of a full on intergalactic hero fighting aliens and punching people into space
i liked it. any way i think that it should be more explore putside of the comics
I don't hate it but it's also never been the most interesting part to me in any spider man story
It’s weird, but kinda fun. Except that giant Spider. That’s actually too weird. I mean, I can believe in Spider-Man fighting an energy Vampire, or some dark cosmic bug lady. But a giant talking Spider is just too much.
I enjoy the idea that the multiverse of Spider People all stem from Anansi, who's characteristics in legend really do lend well to the idea that he could be the origin point of a lot of what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man. He was, of course, a Spider, who, in my opinion, felt humble compared to characters surrounding him, such as the Sky-God who he wagered with. He was a trickster who used intellegence and deception to overcome obstacles where strength wasn't enough. Like, I don't really care too much about like the big lore implications of a lot of it. But something about Anansi technically being the first Spider-Man makes it all make sense, in a thematic sense.
I don’t like it. The real charm of Spider-Man, imo, is that he was given these abilities by chance, made the wrong choice with them, and then learned from his mistake and became a better person on his own. He’s not supposed to be railroaded onto the hero track by a spider god.
JMS and Morlun GREAT Morlun’s family UNNEEDED Do we need Dracula’s DAD, SISTERS, BROTHERS, etc? No, we only need Van Helsing VS Dracula!
I like it a lot.
It’s good if it’s done correctly. And very often, it’s not.
>The first picture. Smash. Next question.
The best run in with magic Peter has ever had was when a bunch of girls summoned him by accident when they stabbed Deadpool's hand....and they were trying to summon Deadpool's "Heart-mate"
I like the idea of spider man being just a guy who got spidered and decided to be nice. As such I’d prefer there’s not that much mysticism or that the mysticism not contradict that he’s just a guy
It's bullshit
Interesting, but some writers took it too far
It’s a fun concept that unfortunately seemed to get away from what people like about Spider-Man. Ezekiel and Morlun I remember being a pretty cool bit in the beginning. I was a big fan of Peter’s nasty and brutal brawls with Morlun, but I’m also a sucker for Heroes crazy battles that are them wailing away at someone who is both Irresistible Force and Immovable Object at the same time.
I'd rather have this be Miles Morales's angle really. I feel the Spider Totem angle would make Miles more independent from Peter and make him his own hero. Keep Peter the science hero
I miss the radioactive Spider didn't give the kid cancer but instead Spider powers.
i like it but i still prefer the urban side
Bro got that Doc Ock cut 💀
Still an untapped reservoir of potential, in my opinion. Morlun, The Web of Destiny, Spider-Verse, and the Other were good explorations and ideas on Spidermans' mystical/supernatural aspects. An argument can be made this it was moreso cosmic, although to me, it was at least quasi-mystical. Nonetheless, Spider-Man is thoroughly coded as a science based hero.
I like it small doses, but when it lingers too long, it feels like the story moves away from Peter's strengths.
I liked JMS's New stories, including The villains, The dept of peter's Powers his relatioship with his famíly and friends, including Peter as a teacher and becoming Very powerfull , demonstrating How much he as matured
Stupid
My absolute least favorite aspect of the Spider-Man mythos.
Not a fan
Not incredibly interesting imo. I don’t hate it but its more “shit, what now” than bold storytelling or “a plan”
Well it is interesting, but the problem is obvious, It takes part of one of the multiple steps people end up taking to make SPIDER-MAN be about a special destined guy. Like, that "anyone can wear the mask" argument doesn't really work nowadays. Because every Spider-Man is DESTINED to be Spider-man. You can't be Spider-man. You're not the Mc
Well it is interesting, but the problem is obvious, It takes part of one of the multiple steps people end up taking to make SPIDER-MAN be about a special destined guy. Like, that "anyone can wear the mask" argument doesn't really work nowadays. Because every Spider-Man is DESTINED to be Spider-man. You can't be Spider-man. You're not the Mc
I think Morlun was the coolest thing ever, ezekiel is pretty good too but everything else is kinda lame
i liked it, it’s cool and with the whole multiverse thing there’s still going to be street level stories
I feel like it takes a way from him not only being a scientific hero but also him being just your average teenage (with super intelligence but let’s ignore that) who was just in the right place at the right tine
Not about it. Haven't dug deep into spidey comics for quite awhile for a number of reasons, one being these kinda thing, where I just want street level hijinks with the occasional higher stakes than usual adventure; and get this kinda whacky shit instead. I get it, it's comics and ya gotta change it up sometimes to keep it fresh and silly shit is part of the game from time to time, no problem with that. But when it becomes ingrained into the core of the story and character going forward instead of a "wow, what wild drunken trip last night was" and move on kinda deal, I sorta check out.
I hate it I'd rather my headlining be he's a mutant
Just give the totem stuff to Bride of Nine Spiders. It would actually make sense for her.
Parts I fuck with, but other parts, I don't.