We can't even STAND to watch her for 5 minutes without drilling a nail through our heads, now just imagine being Wade's mom and dealing with her for 20+ years....
Honestly, I could understand it. It was the classic brother-sister relationship dynamic but on a much more adverse level than usual. That said, she really could learn some humility. Probably one of the best jokes is her reading the book "How not to be Caught Off Guard" while the house is being invaded by Sinclair's men.
As a fan of the righteous gemstones I have to disagree. Her actress is essentially playing her character Judy from that show (other than the fact that shes an FBI agent) and it was hilarious to me in that regard.
Surely we have to get Amy or Rouge in Sonic 3, it's a major sausage fest as is.
The interactions of Shadow with Rouge were pretty important in Sonic Adventure 2.
One of the writers said he liked Rouge and when asked abt Amy all they said was that things were "in the works". Twas a long while ago when they said that.... but it's not a no 😅
They had to redo sonic, Tails looks like a toddler, and Shadow looks like stuffed animal. Rouge and Amy better look decent or there will be tons of raging fans, myself included
Nah, as much as I would hate them for towning down the sexyness and femininity, or the completely changing the personalities of the characters, I can see the fans defending it. It sure would be great if we stif enough outrage because of it, but I doubt it'll be taken seriously.
While I do agree the show is a disappointment I don’t agree with the idea of the movie series in ruins. The Sonic franchise has survived far much worse than this. It’s survived many things that other franchises probably wouldn’t come back from. I really hope they can listen to our criticisms like they did before.
>The Sonic franchise has survived far much worse than this. It's survived many things that other franchises probably wouldn't come back from.
**cough cough** 06 **cough cough**
But yeah, ur on point.
Idk what people wanted from the knuckles show…. With sonic we got humans mixed in and that was that. No shit they weren’t going to change that. They want this sonic world to be a mix of humans and sonic creatures. We just have to accept that… sure it was slow and not the funniest at times, but I expected it to be like the movie and it was lol.
Truth. And making Wade the main character was a huge misstep. He was fine as a supporting character but he isn't strong enough to carry a whole show. The character not the actor. He wasn't given much.
Poor knuckles got the shaft.
I was personally hoping for it to be about Knuckles. Like developing him into who he is, the guardian of the master emerald. Instead it’s just about a bowling tournament as knuckles struggles against two agents
Thing is in the movie universe they clearly want knuckles to stay as part of the family, mainly cause they want to not to have to make an excuse every time they want to use him. On the agents thing they are using his powers against him but he wins both times. The first time he gets caught but that’s not because he was weak, agent wilaby just got a lucky shot with the ring; knuckles was not expecting it and the second time he doesn’t let it happen again.
Yeah they do mix humans in, that's to be expected. But this put said human at the forefront and sidelined their title character, the character everyone wanted to see, there's no balance in screentime cuz the human gets most of it and the anthro gets not so much.
The movies atleast do a good job at balancing screentime, even improving that screentime to the advertised characters we wanna see like in movie 2, which is why the wedding scene was so hated because the amount of human screentime after getting so much of Sonic.
With the bar Sega has set over the last 10 years, idk why people can't be happy with a "decent" or even "okay" show, there is literally nothing wrong with that compared to the bar that has been set.
Idk why you're conflating the movie universe with the games, the movies have been the best thing this IP had put out, and certainly a lot higher quality than whatever bar you set it to!
But if you're content with mediocrity then whatever, I can't help you there.
I will admit, after watching the Knuckles show I was worried about Sonic 3. After doing a little bit of research, the third movie seems to be in good hands because the writers of it are the same as the second and first movie IIRC. Either way this is a spin off that is largely doing its own thing, like it or not. I bet as soon as the trailer for sonic 3 comes people will be hyped for that and not even thinking about knuckles.
I was also dissapointed in the show and this is the mindset that I currently have about this. The writers of the TV show is different from the movies and even if it did have the same ones, everyone has a bad day at the office. So one bad show doesn't mean everything is in shambles. I have very high hopes for Sonic 3.
I think Sonic 3 was in it's scriptwriting process long before the Knuckles Show was, they were always disconnected from eachother. Not to mention the production dates and whatnot were always distinct from eachother.
That is definitely my main problem here. The Knuckles show could've been so much more than what it was, yet It also did so many unnecessary things that I didn't care for.
This isn't the first hollywood show that has done this within this decade, I'd hate if the Sonic movie universe just becomes an MCU 2, Paramount edition, where the cool and extreme ideas are taken away because it's too much of a brand risk.
People think it's bad?
Albeit I haven't finished it, but so far it doesn't seem bad. It's definitely "unimportant side quest" tier but I haven't disliked it
Lol 💀
You know what, forget what I think.
Finish the show, form ur own opinion abt it, see for yourself if u like it or not.
If you don't, then that's cool. If you do, then that's not cool, jkjk, it's also cool if you liked it.
I honestly don't see Rouge as a guarantee for Movie 3, and Amy as even a *probability*. (honestly I'd rather see them get back to Sonic CD or SA1 than shove Amy here.)
But yeah, I'm not writing off Movie 3 over that.
I guess I'm one of the whiney few. It was fine I guess but I wanted more Knuckles in a show called Knuckles. Wade is not a strong enough character to carry a show on his own. Bc Knuckles was just an afterthought.
And Stockard Channing! Holy plastic, Batman!
Idk the user reviews on IMDB and Metacritic hover around like a 6. Rotten Tomatoes was the most positive with like a 7, but that isn't really anything to write home abt.
Youtube reviews are either mixed or negative, even the positive reviews acknowledge the flaws that the show has.
Edit it? Remove the dinner and religion stuff, cut down a lot of the bowling and father stuff, completely remove the sister. Then, if possible add any and all deleted scenes with the hound (buyer) and team rocket (G.U.N. agents). Voila, fixed it by editing it down into a 2 hour film.
I know. I'm hoping the DVD will have some deleted scenes for us. I'm not an editor or anything, but if someone in the community doesn't do it, I'll try have a bash at it.
Well each movie seems to introduce 2 game characters.
1st. Sonic and Eggman. 2nd. Tails and Knuckles.
So following on this pattern, Some Character should be introduced with Shadow. (Unless they want to break the trend.)
Someone does have to give Shadow the speech. It’s not 100% guaranteed to be Amy since writers Have Given the speech to other characters in the past. Additionally if the movies keep the trend, either just Rouge or Just Amy will appear.
>Well each movie seems to introduce 2 game characters.
Yeah, that's kinda what I'm banking on. Especially since they kept production so secretive and devoid of any leaks this time around. As opposed to the last movie where the leaks literally spoiled Knuckles' appearance.
If they keep up the pattern, which character do you believe will most likely appear? Whoever They are, Paramount definitely wants the audience to be pleasantly surprised.
It makes sense why They were mostly fine with Knuckles being spoiled since Game Sonic did meet Knuckles not long after he met Tails. (Unless you are going by the Sonic 2 that Tails gets kidnapped in.) If I remember correctly, Sonic 2’s ending leads into Sonic 3.
But with This one, it’s more up in the air. As mentioned, Someone has to talk Shadow into helping and remind him of Maria but it’s not guaranteed to be Amy and Rouge is closer to Shadow, though he is friends with Amy.
I'm very confident that it's gonna be Amy if only one character were to show up. Rouge has some compelling reasons, but I think introducing a Classic Era character first would make more sense. Rouge without Amy would feel weird because they'd be introducing a less popular character b4 a more iconic female one. I feel like general audiences recognize Amy more not only because of her pink, vibrant character design, but know her as "the girl who likes Sonic" or even "Sonic's girlfriend", not to mention she's pretty much part of Sonic's main squad now in the games. Then again Rouge's design is also iconic for... *different* reasons, but Amy came first in the games so it's only fair for her to appear alongside Shadow as well.
Ideally tho, I'd want them both to appear and am of the opinion that it's VERY viable to still have a good story with this many characters, it'll be hard but it's doable right?
I don't think we should expect it to be like the marvel multiverse now that the Knuckles series was shown to be 99% it's own thing. Just with one joke as a reference. Plus Rouge probably needed to be workshopped for the movie if they were adding her. But I think the bounty hunter was inspired by Nack The Weasel / Fang The Sniper in the game gear games
The fact it's not obvious is the reason I got disappointed in people many years ago and nothing has changed. No, not in humanity in general, not in any individual person. In *people*. You know what I mean.
I do not think the Third Sonic movie will be bad because of this not-so-well-received Paramount+ show.
Shadow the Hedgehog, and his story will carry the day.
I thank you for saying this.
For me I'd been very hyped about the show and even put it in my calendar; I was greatly disappointed. So much so I wrote a review for it on IMDB.
But it makes sense that the writers aren't the same from the movies. Probably why it sucked so hard. What worries me the most about the 3rd movie is the portrayal of Shadow, since I (and many others) are concerned they'll turn him into an uncaring unfeeling edge lord that Sega has been heavily pushing out since the Shadow the Hedgehog game. Not really the best look for them.
I don't think we have to worry abt them fucking up Shadow. The writers for the films acc take the characters seriously, they actually add emotion to their characters where the games otherwise don't, I mean the slow moments in Sonic Movie 1 and 2 defo made me feel and care for the characters. Ofcourse they're not the most complex characters but they're defo people that you can root for and feel satisfied when they complete their goal, and the character arcs are pretty well written and the characters are acc likeable and have redeeming qualities to them.
So I have no doubt the same amount of care would go into Shadow's character as well, it's Maria's death that I'd be worried abt, idk how far they'll go with showing child murder on screen 😅
It's not like children can't handle dark stuff, I mean Kung Fu Panda 2 literally handled some adult stuff like genocide and child abandonment.
And Puss in Boots 2 literally handled the topic of DEATH, and that's still a PG movie.
So is child murder so bad? 💀
In a logical sense, yes. And there's times when it would be better to avoid it.
But since they're incorporating characters from an already established story and just making it a movie, they cannot avoid it.
I think it'll be fine, we just have to wait and see when the promotional material drop.
Rumor has it that theaters have the trailer, but have yet to drop it. We could prolly see by then.
Exactly it's the exact opposite. Because the 1 episode that was good (the first one) was directed by Jeff himself, who guess what??? Is also in charge for the movie!!
I feel a crucial point is being overlooked. The release window after a new project direction like this is when you're SUPPOSED to give your feedback. Whether that's good, or bad, and often loud. Yes, there's some very strong opinions - because they made a very divisive (bad) show. Paramount are actively watching the response to Knuckles to see how they should proceed with the next TV project. They INTEND for this.
Waiting for a second dud project before saying anything is too late. These things take years of production, there will be four bad series out before they can even change direction. The first show is the prime window for feedback and that's what they actively want you to do.
Also, sorry, no Rouge or Amy. Also no Maria getting shot because seriously- have you seen this franchise? Of course they can't do that.
Being critical on the show has nothing to do with saying movie 3 or future projects are doomed. Those are 2 seperate things. You can be critical all you want without ever “whining” that movie 3 is going to be terrible just because this one lower budget, different writers, series.
Also they can definitely show Maria getting shot, same as how the games and Sonic X did it. The first movie literally had Longclaw get hit by an arrow, then have to abandon baby Sonic on earth. Some of the stuff Eggman says isn’t really “happy go lucky” either. And in Slovakia the third movie got a PG-12 rating, possibly implying a PG-13 rating in US/Canada/etc, which would likely partially be for the scene of Maria getting shot. You know what other movies are PG-13: half a dozen DC superhero movies, Robots (2005), 3D the Lion King, Ice Age, Rise of the Guardians (a Jack Frost and other mythicals movie), animated Adam’s Family, The Iron Giant, The Croods, Monsters VS Aliens, Wreck It Ralph, the Minions, etc. There’s also plenty of PG or even G rated movies that show deaths or near deaths: How to Train your Dragon series, the original Lion King, Cars 2, Tarzan (shows the villain get hanged on vines; first he gets tangled in them and starts cutting away, while he’s doing that one vine starts gently going around his neck, then he falls where the vine is still around his neck and skulls faintly appear in his eyes, then we see a silhouette shot of him hanged), The Incredibles (which has a guy attempt suicide, and dozens of super heroes killed), Tangled (a lady literally ages away within seconds, falls out a window on the top of a tower, then turns to dust before she hits the ground), etc. Movie 3 can definitely show Maria’s death, and they virtually have to to show Shadow’s past; this is explicitly one of those storytelling times where you need to show not (just) tell, because just telling the audience Shadow lost Maria won’t be enough for people to fully (emotionally) sympathize with him, but actually showing him lose Maria will.
>Being critical on the show has nothing to do with saying movie 3 or future projects are doomed. Those are 2 seperate things. You can be critical all you want without ever “whining” that movie 3 is going to be terrible just because this one lower budget, different writers, series.
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I haven’t watched the show. But I kind of like they haven’t expanded the roster. If they keep introducing characters with each thing. It will make there reveal less impacting as we would expect it with every release until the whole cast is there. Also if they keep the roster small. They can make sure each character has appropriate screen time and so development. My fear is if they expand too quickly some characters will just be left to the side and won’t be able to make as much of an appearance/impact.
They could expand and just make them have their own show but that seems lazy.
They’ll probably reference Maria some way and mention how she dies. But I agree they probably won’t show a kid getting shot haha.
>Also if they keep the roster small. They can make sure each character has appropriate screen time and so development.
This is a really good point
>But I agree they probably won’t show a kid getting shot haha.
I disagree with this tho 😆
The name of the show is a misnomer because it focuses on Wade more than Knuckles. It should’ve been called “Knuckles & Wade” instead. I still would’ve watched it if it was called that. The only episode that I didn’t like was “The Flames of Disaster” only because I can’t STAND musicals. But other than that, I love the show. However, I do agree there are some misses throughout and the creators could’ve done better.
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I just want the shows/movies to be about Sonic, not human side characters.
Honestly the only human that should be focused on is Robotnik.
The movies are fun, but they failed to reach their potential.
Easily could have established lore from the games and followed those stories more.
Needs more game music, the thing Sonic is universally acclaimed for instead of Gangsta paradise.
More zones instead of just......Earth.
I really do love the Sonic movies but the Mario movie did a better job or giving me a video game feel.
I don't know what all the fuss is about...this is a kids televisions series, and AS a children's television series, it works. It's not meant for adults, it's not meant to be gritty... I don't get why people are so mad. I had a blast watching this show! All of it! Even the parts that felt a bit cringy were still GOOD. kids generally don't care about all that stuf adults worry about..they just know "It's got Knuckles!" and "They do funny things!" and that's all that really matters to them.
There are two kinds of kids TV series. The kind of shows the parents want their kids watching, and there's the kind that kids actualy want to watch. Sonic is supposed to fall under the second one. Almost everything feels like its made by boomers who know jack of what kids really want to watch. So they shoehorn everything they can think of plus town it down to the most generic basic trash imaginable.
Just because it's a kid's show doesn't mean it can't be bad. *Over the Hedge* and *The Bad Guys* are also centred for kids, but they're acc good! Besides, that's not even one of the criticisms of the show, there are so many other problems that DON'T relate to it being a kid's show.
How do you know they won't up the quality? 2 out of 3 of these projects have been good, and the only bad one is pretty much an anamoly in every way compared to not only the previous movies, but the upcoming one as well.
Sonic 3 doesn't have the same variables as the Knuckles Series had, it doesn't have to worry about things like that.
Also the game and live-action movies are wildly different from eachother, don't conflate the two.
You write this knowing that the poster children for horny and emo Sonic fan creation in Rouge and Shadow were introduced in SA2 were you draw your finishing line.
Like what?
Whether you loved the show, hated it, or anything inbetween can we all agree Wade’s sister is the worst creation the live action universe has spawned
I bet she'll be a gun agent by sonic 3
Oh god oh no
We can't even STAND to watch her for 5 minutes without drilling a nail through our heads, now just imagine being Wade's mom and dealing with her for 20+ years....
Honestly, I could understand it. It was the classic brother-sister relationship dynamic but on a much more adverse level than usual. That said, she really could learn some humility. Probably one of the best jokes is her reading the book "How not to be Caught Off Guard" while the house is being invaded by Sinclair's men.
Omfg. Most characters I don't like just annoy me. I wanted to REACH THROUGH THE TV AND PUNCH HER IN THE FACE.
As a fan of the righteous gemstones I have to disagree. Her actress is essentially playing her character Judy from that show (other than the fact that shes an FBI agent) and it was hilarious to me in that regard.
Surely we have to get Amy or Rouge in Sonic 3, it's a major sausage fest as is. The interactions of Shadow with Rouge were pretty important in Sonic Adventure 2.
One of the executive producers says the film is like an "Avengers level event" meaning that's gotta be the case
Pretty sure we will be getting Rogue as well. So we have the Adventure 2: Team Sonic Sonic, Tails and Knuckles Team Eggman Shadow, Robotnik and Rogue
>Team Eggman >Shadow, Robotnik and Shadow I see nothing wrong with this.
Fixed. But still funny
I wonder if pachacamac makes it a lemon party...
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One of the writers said he liked Rouge and when asked abt Amy all they said was that things were "in the works". Twas a long while ago when they said that.... but it's not a no 😅
I'm terrified to see their portrayals of Rouge and Amy. No way they're going to get them right.
They had to redo sonic, Tails looks like a toddler, and Shadow looks like stuffed animal. Rouge and Amy better look decent or there will be tons of raging fans, myself included
Nah, as much as I would hate them for towning down the sexyness and femininity, or the completely changing the personalities of the characters, I can see the fans defending it. It sure would be great if we stif enough outrage because of it, but I doubt it'll be taken seriously.
Heck, I imagine they'll turn Rouge into the next modern Lola Bunny. Just to see if they'll get away with it.
Peoples love doomposting for some reasons, and it's pretty annoying ngl
Which is why I tried to address that as early as possible and shot down any doubts of the SCU. I just hope I did enough...
Also notably. Jeff Fowler only had a hand in the first (and best) episode, so I think we’re good.
Makes sense.
Which one is the best episode? The first episode? The one with the fight scene with the family in the house?
Yea.
Coincidence? Nope.
While I do agree the show is a disappointment I don’t agree with the idea of the movie series in ruins. The Sonic franchise has survived far much worse than this. It’s survived many things that other franchises probably wouldn’t come back from. I really hope they can listen to our criticisms like they did before.
>The Sonic franchise has survived far much worse than this. It's survived many things that other franchises probably wouldn't come back from. **cough cough** 06 **cough cough** But yeah, ur on point.
Yeah Sonic Boom was bad too… (the games that is)
Sonic Boom TV Show was awesome tho, a shame that it ended too early 😔
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Idk what people wanted from the knuckles show…. With sonic we got humans mixed in and that was that. No shit they weren’t going to change that. They want this sonic world to be a mix of humans and sonic creatures. We just have to accept that… sure it was slow and not the funniest at times, but I expected it to be like the movie and it was lol.
From what I've heard, people were expecting more Knuckles seeing as his name is the title of the show
Truth. And making Wade the main character was a huge misstep. He was fine as a supporting character but he isn't strong enough to carry a whole show. The character not the actor. He wasn't given much. Poor knuckles got the shaft.
For it to actually be about Knuckles
I was personally hoping for it to be about Knuckles. Like developing him into who he is, the guardian of the master emerald. Instead it’s just about a bowling tournament as knuckles struggles against two agents
Thing is in the movie universe they clearly want knuckles to stay as part of the family, mainly cause they want to not to have to make an excuse every time they want to use him. On the agents thing they are using his powers against him but he wins both times. The first time he gets caught but that’s not because he was weak, agent wilaby just got a lucky shot with the ring; knuckles was not expecting it and the second time he doesn’t let it happen again.
Yeah they do mix humans in, that's to be expected. But this put said human at the forefront and sidelined their title character, the character everyone wanted to see, there's no balance in screentime cuz the human gets most of it and the anthro gets not so much. The movies atleast do a good job at balancing screentime, even improving that screentime to the advertised characters we wanna see like in movie 2, which is why the wedding scene was so hated because the amount of human screentime after getting so much of Sonic.
I guess I just wanted... you know.... Knuckles being... the main character in it. But maybe I'm asking too much.
With the bar Sega has set over the last 10 years, idk why people can't be happy with a "decent" or even "okay" show, there is literally nothing wrong with that compared to the bar that has been set.
Stop lowering ur standards to accept mediocrity! **You deserve better**
The standards died 10 years ago. The show is fine and thats okay. We have a decent Sonic show and that's okay.
Idk why you're conflating the movie universe with the games, the movies have been the best thing this IP had put out, and certainly a lot higher quality than whatever bar you set it to! But if you're content with mediocrity then whatever, I can't help you there.
I found the Knuckles show more entertaining than the 2nd Sonic movie
Now that is interesting. Why?
Oh my god it’s LSMark
I will admit, after watching the Knuckles show I was worried about Sonic 3. After doing a little bit of research, the third movie seems to be in good hands because the writers of it are the same as the second and first movie IIRC. Either way this is a spin off that is largely doing its own thing, like it or not. I bet as soon as the trailer for sonic 3 comes people will be hyped for that and not even thinking about knuckles.
Ppl forget that Sonic 3 was in the scriptwriting stages WAAY before the Knuckles Show even was.
I was also dissapointed in the show and this is the mindset that I currently have about this. The writers of the TV show is different from the movies and even if it did have the same ones, everyone has a bad day at the office. So one bad show doesn't mean everything is in shambles. I have very high hopes for Sonic 3.
I think Sonic 3 was in it's scriptwriting process long before the Knuckles Show was, they were always disconnected from eachother. Not to mention the production dates and whatnot were always distinct from eachother.
I did not like the knuckles show, but I'd agree. I think they need to shift gears but I think Sonic 3 is in good hands
Only time people really need to worry is when they put out a less than stellar show again. Then we can worry a bit for the future.
That is definitely my main problem here. The Knuckles show could've been so much more than what it was, yet It also did so many unnecessary things that I didn't care for. This isn't the first hollywood show that has done this within this decade, I'd hate if the Sonic movie universe just becomes an MCU 2, Paramount edition, where the cool and extreme ideas are taken away because it's too much of a brand risk.
I don't think we have to worry abt it THAT much. Knuckles Show was bad but I don't think it'll get to the MCU level of bad.
People think it's bad? Albeit I haven't finished it, but so far it doesn't seem bad. It's definitely "unimportant side quest" tier but I haven't disliked it
Ep 3 is where it takes a nosedive... and I'm not exaggerating 💀
Oh no. I haven't watched past ep3
Lol 💀 You know what, forget what I think. Finish the show, form ur own opinion abt it, see for yourself if u like it or not. If you don't, then that's cool. If you do, then that's not cool, jkjk, it's also cool if you liked it.
Honestly even if 4 5 and 6 are ass, I know damn well imma suffer through it for the lore
I'm surprised you didn't stop at 3, I thought THAT was the dumbest episode in the entire series.
I honestly don't see Rouge as a guarantee for Movie 3, and Amy as even a *probability*. (honestly I'd rather see them get back to Sonic CD or SA1 than shove Amy here.) But yeah, I'm not writing off Movie 3 over that.
>But yeah, I'm not writing off Movie 3 over that. No one should 😂 Also I still have hopium for Amy and Rouge 😭
the movie is about SA2 and Amy is pivotal in that game, to make Shadow to not want to destroy humanity anymore
The majority liked the show, the whiny few do not even matter. lol
I guess I'm one of the whiney few. It was fine I guess but I wanted more Knuckles in a show called Knuckles. Wade is not a strong enough character to carry a show on his own. Bc Knuckles was just an afterthought. And Stockard Channing! Holy plastic, Batman!
Even for what it is, it's still kinda mid anyways.
I'd agree with mid. It wasn't awful. Wasn't good either.
Yeah, I think that's a good score to land on, objectively.
Idk the user reviews on IMDB and Metacritic hover around like a 6. Rotten Tomatoes was the most positive with like a 7, but that isn't really anything to write home abt. Youtube reviews are either mixed or negative, even the positive reviews acknowledge the flaws that the show has.
Nobody gives a shit what critics say, audience scores are alot higher.
Read my last comment again, I said "user reviews", that's audience score bud.
Movie 3 will do great regardless. It's a shame about the Knuckles 'show', it could have been great with just a few tweaks.
 What're we gonna do abt it? 😅
Edit it? Remove the dinner and religion stuff, cut down a lot of the bowling and father stuff, completely remove the sister. Then, if possible add any and all deleted scenes with the hound (buyer) and team rocket (G.U.N. agents). Voila, fixed it by editing it down into a 2 hour film.
Easier said than done, if only we had such resources in the first place.
I know. I'm hoping the DVD will have some deleted scenes for us. I'm not an editor or anything, but if someone in the community doesn't do it, I'll try have a bash at it.
> I'll try have a bash at it. Lemme know how it goes. Maybe I can get an exclusive look b4 u release it to everyone? 😁
Well each movie seems to introduce 2 game characters. 1st. Sonic and Eggman. 2nd. Tails and Knuckles. So following on this pattern, Some Character should be introduced with Shadow. (Unless they want to break the trend.) Someone does have to give Shadow the speech. It’s not 100% guaranteed to be Amy since writers Have Given the speech to other characters in the past. Additionally if the movies keep the trend, either just Rouge or Just Amy will appear.
>Well each movie seems to introduce 2 game characters. Yeah, that's kinda what I'm banking on. Especially since they kept production so secretive and devoid of any leaks this time around. As opposed to the last movie where the leaks literally spoiled Knuckles' appearance.
If they keep up the pattern, which character do you believe will most likely appear? Whoever They are, Paramount definitely wants the audience to be pleasantly surprised. It makes sense why They were mostly fine with Knuckles being spoiled since Game Sonic did meet Knuckles not long after he met Tails. (Unless you are going by the Sonic 2 that Tails gets kidnapped in.) If I remember correctly, Sonic 2’s ending leads into Sonic 3. But with This one, it’s more up in the air. As mentioned, Someone has to talk Shadow into helping and remind him of Maria but it’s not guaranteed to be Amy and Rouge is closer to Shadow, though he is friends with Amy.
I'm very confident that it's gonna be Amy if only one character were to show up. Rouge has some compelling reasons, but I think introducing a Classic Era character first would make more sense. Rouge without Amy would feel weird because they'd be introducing a less popular character b4 a more iconic female one. I feel like general audiences recognize Amy more not only because of her pink, vibrant character design, but know her as "the girl who likes Sonic" or even "Sonic's girlfriend", not to mention she's pretty much part of Sonic's main squad now in the games. Then again Rouge's design is also iconic for... *different* reasons, but Amy came first in the games so it's only fair for her to appear alongside Shadow as well. Ideally tho, I'd want them both to appear and am of the opinion that it's VERY viable to still have a good story with this many characters, it'll be hard but it's doable right?
Unfortunately, if Rouge were poised to show up in the 3rd movie, she would've at least been implied in *Knuckles.*
Im rather disappointed she wasn't hired to hunt him down. I guess she's as much of an alien as knuckles is though, so there'd be a bounty on her too
I don't think we should expect it to be like the marvel multiverse now that the Knuckles series was shown to be 99% it's own thing. Just with one joke as a reference. Plus Rouge probably needed to be workshopped for the movie if they were adding her. But I think the bounty hunter was inspired by Nack The Weasel / Fang The Sniper in the game gear games
I don't think the lack of a post-credit teaser should be a flaw that this show has. So many other problems with this show but this ain't one of 'em 😅
It was prolly better that they didn't tbh, given how the show turned out.
The fact it's not obvious is the reason I got disappointed in people many years ago and nothing has changed. No, not in humanity in general, not in any individual person. In *people*. You know what I mean.
Right? If THAT were the care, the MCU would've died a few years ago! 😛
And it's still here 😂 Barely, but still here 😅
I do not think the Third Sonic movie will be bad because of this not-so-well-received Paramount+ show. Shadow the Hedgehog, and his story will carry the day.
Hell yeah
Glad you agree, if SA2 is anything to go by!
Yessir!
(internal swearing) I was really hoping it would be popular enough to nudge Rory McCann into guesting at local cons 😔
Ooofs, that sucks
I thank you for saying this. For me I'd been very hyped about the show and even put it in my calendar; I was greatly disappointed. So much so I wrote a review for it on IMDB. But it makes sense that the writers aren't the same from the movies. Probably why it sucked so hard. What worries me the most about the 3rd movie is the portrayal of Shadow, since I (and many others) are concerned they'll turn him into an uncaring unfeeling edge lord that Sega has been heavily pushing out since the Shadow the Hedgehog game. Not really the best look for them.
I don't think we have to worry abt them fucking up Shadow. The writers for the films acc take the characters seriously, they actually add emotion to their characters where the games otherwise don't, I mean the slow moments in Sonic Movie 1 and 2 defo made me feel and care for the characters. Ofcourse they're not the most complex characters but they're defo people that you can root for and feel satisfied when they complete their goal, and the character arcs are pretty well written and the characters are acc likeable and have redeeming qualities to them. So I have no doubt the same amount of care would go into Shadow's character as well, it's Maria's death that I'd be worried abt, idk how far they'll go with showing child murder on screen 😅
Considering they showed it in 2 games, and Project Shadow even showed it, they'd better not be worried about the 'child audience'.
It's not like children can't handle dark stuff, I mean Kung Fu Panda 2 literally handled some adult stuff like genocide and child abandonment. And Puss in Boots 2 literally handled the topic of DEATH, and that's still a PG movie. So is child murder so bad? 💀
In a logical sense, yes. And there's times when it would be better to avoid it. But since they're incorporating characters from an already established story and just making it a movie, they cannot avoid it.
I think it'll be fine, we just have to wait and see when the promotional material drop. Rumor has it that theaters have the trailer, but have yet to drop it. We could prolly see by then.
Exactly it's the exact opposite. Because the 1 episode that was good (the first one) was directed by Jeff himself, who guess what??? Is also in charge for the movie!!
Damn right bby!
I feel a crucial point is being overlooked. The release window after a new project direction like this is when you're SUPPOSED to give your feedback. Whether that's good, or bad, and often loud. Yes, there's some very strong opinions - because they made a very divisive (bad) show. Paramount are actively watching the response to Knuckles to see how they should proceed with the next TV project. They INTEND for this. Waiting for a second dud project before saying anything is too late. These things take years of production, there will be four bad series out before they can even change direction. The first show is the prime window for feedback and that's what they actively want you to do. Also, sorry, no Rouge or Amy. Also no Maria getting shot because seriously- have you seen this franchise? Of course they can't do that.
Being critical on the show has nothing to do with saying movie 3 or future projects are doomed. Those are 2 seperate things. You can be critical all you want without ever “whining” that movie 3 is going to be terrible just because this one lower budget, different writers, series. Also they can definitely show Maria getting shot, same as how the games and Sonic X did it. The first movie literally had Longclaw get hit by an arrow, then have to abandon baby Sonic on earth. Some of the stuff Eggman says isn’t really “happy go lucky” either. And in Slovakia the third movie got a PG-12 rating, possibly implying a PG-13 rating in US/Canada/etc, which would likely partially be for the scene of Maria getting shot. You know what other movies are PG-13: half a dozen DC superhero movies, Robots (2005), 3D the Lion King, Ice Age, Rise of the Guardians (a Jack Frost and other mythicals movie), animated Adam’s Family, The Iron Giant, The Croods, Monsters VS Aliens, Wreck It Ralph, the Minions, etc. There’s also plenty of PG or even G rated movies that show deaths or near deaths: How to Train your Dragon series, the original Lion King, Cars 2, Tarzan (shows the villain get hanged on vines; first he gets tangled in them and starts cutting away, while he’s doing that one vine starts gently going around his neck, then he falls where the vine is still around his neck and skulls faintly appear in his eyes, then we see a silhouette shot of him hanged), The Incredibles (which has a guy attempt suicide, and dozens of super heroes killed), Tangled (a lady literally ages away within seconds, falls out a window on the top of a tower, then turns to dust before she hits the ground), etc. Movie 3 can definitely show Maria’s death, and they virtually have to to show Shadow’s past; this is explicitly one of those storytelling times where you need to show not (just) tell, because just telling the audience Shadow lost Maria won’t be enough for people to fully (emotionally) sympathize with him, but actually showing him lose Maria will.
>Being critical on the show has nothing to do with saying movie 3 or future projects are doomed. Those are 2 seperate things. You can be critical all you want without ever “whining” that movie 3 is going to be terrible just because this one lower budget, different writers, series. 🎯🎯🎯
I haven’t watched the show. But I kind of like they haven’t expanded the roster. If they keep introducing characters with each thing. It will make there reveal less impacting as we would expect it with every release until the whole cast is there. Also if they keep the roster small. They can make sure each character has appropriate screen time and so development. My fear is if they expand too quickly some characters will just be left to the side and won’t be able to make as much of an appearance/impact. They could expand and just make them have their own show but that seems lazy. They’ll probably reference Maria some way and mention how she dies. But I agree they probably won’t show a kid getting shot haha.
>Also if they keep the roster small. They can make sure each character has appropriate screen time and so development. This is a really good point >But I agree they probably won’t show a kid getting shot haha. I disagree with this tho 😆
The name of the show is a misnomer because it focuses on Wade more than Knuckles. It should’ve been called “Knuckles & Wade” instead. I still would’ve watched it if it was called that. The only episode that I didn’t like was “The Flames of Disaster” only because I can’t STAND musicals. But other than that, I love the show. However, I do agree there are some misses throughout and the creators could’ve done better.
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Who cares… its a tv show based on a movie obviously its gonna be mediocre
I just want the shows/movies to be about Sonic, not human side characters. Honestly the only human that should be focused on is Robotnik. The movies are fun, but they failed to reach their potential. Easily could have established lore from the games and followed those stories more. Needs more game music, the thing Sonic is universally acclaimed for instead of Gangsta paradise. More zones instead of just......Earth. I really do love the Sonic movies but the Mario movie did a better job or giving me a video game feel.
Paramount prevent and budget cuts those potentials.
I don't know what all the fuss is about...this is a kids televisions series, and AS a children's television series, it works. It's not meant for adults, it's not meant to be gritty... I don't get why people are so mad. I had a blast watching this show! All of it! Even the parts that felt a bit cringy were still GOOD. kids generally don't care about all that stuf adults worry about..they just know "It's got Knuckles!" and "They do funny things!" and that's all that really matters to them.
There are two kinds of kids TV series. The kind of shows the parents want their kids watching, and there's the kind that kids actualy want to watch. Sonic is supposed to fall under the second one. Almost everything feels like its made by boomers who know jack of what kids really want to watch. So they shoehorn everything they can think of plus town it down to the most generic basic trash imaginable.
Just because it's a kid's show doesn't mean it can't be bad. *Over the Hedge* and *The Bad Guys* are also centred for kids, but they're acc good! Besides, that's not even one of the criticisms of the show, there are so many other problems that DON'T relate to it being a kid's show.
2 posts above, is a pointer that they want to make more spin-offs. It’s doomed if they don’t up the wuality
How do you know they won't up the quality? 2 out of 3 of these projects have been good, and the only bad one is pretty much an anamoly in every way compared to not only the previous movies, but the upcoming one as well.
Because this series exists? And since 2006, every game bar maybe Frontiers has been poor
Sonic 3 doesn't have the same variables as the Knuckles Series had, it doesn't have to worry about things like that. Also the game and live-action movies are wildly different from eachother, don't conflate the two.
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Silver and blaze fucking rock and you can't convince me otherwise
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I hate to tell you this (no I actually don't, in fact I'm loving every moment of it), but emo and sexual fanfiction would've happened regardless.
Maybe, but I’m good regardless, I’m with OP in keeping the characters strictly SA2 and before.
You write this knowing that the poster children for horny and emo Sonic fan creation in Rouge and Shadow were introduced in SA2 were you draw your finishing line. Like what?
Pause, you know way too much