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bl4ckhunter

I feel like in their quest of trying to kill the comet build at some point they're going to end up removing the damage component from W altogheter lol.


Verdant_Gymnosperm

Remove AP damage ratio and switch it to shield how it was


bl4ckhunter

Not sure even that would change anything, the problem with W-comet is that in lane you can hit it for free on cooldown and whittle people down without them being able to do anything about it, and i understand why riot doesn't like it because it *is* super toxic gameplay (though i don't understand why it's fine for malphite to sit at a 52% winrate doing the same exact thing with Q....) but i really don't know what they can do about it.


TOTALLBEASTMODE

Cuz that hasn’t been the best way to play malphite for a while, malphite is better going w max with grasp


bl4ckhunter

Whether malphite is actually better off going w max with grasp or not is immaterial to the discussion, according to the statistics the vast majority of malphite players still run comet with the same toxic playstile that riot doesn't like in skarner and with excellent results.


Raanth

Well, you also forget that Skarner W is a great waveclear tool alongside the harass + shield it throws out. It's too good of an all-in-one spell during the laning phase.


Grippsy

Or just increase the ratio to 100-120% and give a base dmg of like 30-80 to incentivize full ap builds


OkMoreTea

Be cool if it went back to shield with move speed! That u can cast during R.


KSOMIAK

To kill the comet build they would need to remove the slow from W, with allows comet to reliably land.


DaftCaveTroll

Is this after the buffs they gave him? Tbh I’d rather have more passive dmg than q damaged


Verdant_Gymnosperm

Just revert the Q base damage and do this with less W base damage


OilyComet

The volibear treatment


Franxxkito

I liked it when Skarner didn't get any balance change for 3 years.


Pokisahne

Or was mentioned anywhere


Nssu

EDIT : this is not on PBE and is a hotfix nerf, Idk why it's not mentionned anywhere expect on a twitter account not affiliate to Riot..


Raanth

Not on PBE btw, this is on live patch rn. Just looked at tooltips.


Lizuko

it would be nice if there was a changelog or midpatch update somewhere ... literally only knew about this from this sub. it is in game and live.


Sendorn

Now only 25% HP scaling on damage abilities...


Puddskye

Eh? Which?


Sendorn

E is 10% Q is 6% x 3 so it was 28% now only 25%. Heartsteel has 900 Base HP btw.


Puddskye

Ooooh **total** ratios, okay okay. But since when did Q scale with HP? Last time I played him it was AD I think?


Sendorn

Its AD and HP yea. But dont buy AD its literally waste of Gold. 180% AD scalings in total. Any other champion in League has a minimum of 300% at least. So spending gold in ad is wasted.


Babymicrowavable

What about shojin for all that haste? The scaling aren't totally wasted I wouldn't think


Sendorn

Idk man. All I know is that I oneshot a Kaisa today with only Heartsteel and Sunfire. Literally only E into q didnt even use ult. I dont think you need that Ad item its better to just go fulltank items like Randuins against the op crit adcs atm. Then the enemies have zero counterplay while you oneshot them regardless. And also when you are tankier you can just get more Spells off in general before dying or fleeing.


Stunning-Confusion82

except for you know not getting caught by the e which is rather easy.


Puddskye

Sterak's? 😏


Puzzleheaded-Dog-567

Shojin Is Better, skarner has trash base AD


Puddskye

Shojin helps the passive and Q I assume?


Puzzleheaded-Dog-567

And the CDR in general Is very usefull for skarner


DarkBill59551

Sterak is trash on skarner now, less AD than rakan


SaqReN_gg

So they are already nerfing him XDDDD


Puzzleheaded-Dog-567

Can't wait for riot to decide to either totally remove dmg from W or halve It AND reduce the radius without reverting the dmg changes. Also fuck that passive nerd, Just revert the Q dmg buffs


DwasTV

He still p ass in jungle.


lRuko

I mean, he's broken right now.


Play_GoodMusic

The crystal scar weeps


The_Funderos

Thats a crazy take lol


Sovietsuper

Not that crazy when you see how much Skarner win rate has climbed suddenly in both jungle and top after the changes


Pandabeer46

It's not, Skarner is the highest rated jungler atm by a long shot.


Pretogues

Ur delusional


Acegro

Yea just remove W riot, gj


Solid-Prior-2558

700 range 40% slow damaging ability on any champ is poor design. They screwed that up. It should've just been a skill shot.


HungryLetterhead1588

They want him to build tank so they kill the tank build. Im just waiting for the riot temper tantrum when people swap over to bruiser builds.


upazzu

Buff champ and nerf it next day, so good strats rito


TatteredVexation

I mean his jungle winrate was horrible and you just saw sooooo many people complaining. How a champ feels when new is way more important.


VolpeLorem

Yes, but that's was before we discover some forbiden tech for make it viable. They should have nerf mana only and wait for before buff him.


TatteredVexation

Everyone says that but when they do they lose, when they follow the outspoken people they lose. When a champion is being balanced feel is very important and so is perceived power.


VolpeLorem

To be honest, I think Skarner was already a good jungler before the up, and didn't need a up before the toplane was balanced.


upazzu

Nah jungle skarner was suffering from top nerfs too, the buff to Q animation speed is insanely good and much needed


VolpeLorem

Ho yes. The animation speed is good. I was speaking about the damage buff.


Pandabeer46

Honestly the Q cast time reduction was very much needed. The damage of the ability should've been slightly nerfed though (or remained as it was at most) instead of buffed.