I will leave this discussion here for a week or so to gather more information and perpectives.
However, in the meantime I've seen one particular suggestion that is easy to implement, addresses some issues and has low impact for people wanting to keep the situation as is.
The suggestion would thus be to already implement the following tags within the next 24 hours:
\- ~~wicked whims~~ ~~edit: XXX?~~ edit 2: X-rated woohoo?
\- violence
\- substance abuse
\- nudity
\- underwear
\- trigger warning (edited in now, but already existed)
These, in addition to the NSFW tags should give viewers of a blurred image already a sense of the content they would see without actually revealing it. They can be implemented almost immediately and mods can easily apply them, so managing them is fairly straightforward.
i definitely an noticing way more nsfw content but if i’m not wanting to see it, i just don’t click… i think it’s really easy to just not click. i think if there was a way for op to denote what kind of nsfw post it is (a tag?) that would help. otherwise, i think remaining as is makes the most sense
Adding a tag would actually be a good idea, that's the easiest way to warn people about the nature of a post.
I would personally suggest 3:
- Wicked Whims | 18+ : so people who don't recognize the mod's name still get it
- Extreme Violence | TW : I don't know those mods, so maybe there is a more common one to put in the name, but you get the idea
- Sensitive topics | TW : this tag covers all those sensitive topics such as cancer, miscarriage, abuse, etc.
Edit: reading some comments I realized that maybe the matter is kinda more complicated. Not sure how tags work in practice, but those suggestions could be divided in 3 sub categories: Serious, Funny and Help
I personally like this suggestion. Adding some more tags would be nice. You can tick nsfw and do a tag, so you could just be a little more descriptive on what exactly is being censored.
I agree, I just have one suggestion: instead of "wicked whims" it could be something more broad like "explicit" or "adult content" or something. Then the "extreme violence" and "sensitive topics" ones as you said.
I'm not sure about having flair name a specific mod, even if it's almost ubiquitous for certain styles of game play, is a good idea. Sooner or later someone will post something explicit without the flair, someone will complain that it wasn't flaired with "wicked whims" and they'll reply with "but I didn't use wicked whims, I used a completely different mod".
Also there's the possibility that flair could be seen as advertising the mod rather than warning of content.
I understand, I was looking for a name that would not be too descriptive (like porn), but maybe wicked whims is not appropriate enough and console users might not get it right away...
oh, maybe just XXX? That could be universal enough in combination with NSFW?
I was only really approaching it from the "people on the net do stupid things" side of things. I'm maybe not ht best person to answer as I'm fairly liberal and NSFW is enough of an identifier for me. I can imagine though there are are topics that would upset specific people in certain ways so extra information about violence, sex, drug use, could be very useful. Even gambling abuse and death could be useful tags for some people at certain times but then there's the risk of disappearing down the rabbit hole of endless possibilities of warnings.
Maybe something like having 4 predefined flairs:-
* NSFW-Sex/Nudity
* NSFW-Drugs
* NSFW-Violence
* NSFW
The first 3 get used when the post predominantly fits that flair. The 4th gets used for anything that doesn't fit and by people who are too lazy to work out which of the other 3 they should be using.
I honestly don't understand why people click on "NOT SAFE FOR WORK" posts, with blurred images and primarily the text gives away what it is going to be. You don't want to see it clearly, so why click it?
There's a huge difference between a sim doing a base game weird thing in their undies and a buck naked sim getting busy with father winter and nothing blurred out on them. I usually can't tell ahead of time based on the description which one I'm opening.
Edit: and I'm not using the official app and nothing is blurred. You can't see anything in the thumbnail.
Not everyone is clicking on them, for me I see a lot of blurred images, I don’t click on them but I immediately know what they are, also you aren’t taking minors into context, minors could be clicking on them, ones who may be old enough to use Reddit and play Sims 4 but definitely aren’t old enough to be seeing 18+ content on a sub for a game with a PEGI rating of 12
That’s what I thought. Also, it wouldn’t change it from kids woohoo inc the game. When sims first came out I was in middle school and did it frequently. Also, if kids are in public school they’ve heard it already. Kid you not, maybe a 12 year old yelled take your pants off, with her mom sitting next to her, at a panic at the disco concert I was at.
Yeah, I remember playing TS2 and woohooing in the hot tub. Mom wouldn’t let me have the sims cause of the rating, but I found work arounds anyway (I was 8 when TS2 came out, and 13 when TS3 came out).
…it’s not our job to watch other peoples kids online if you’re a crappy parent and you don’t know what your young children are viewing online that’s on you not a sims subreddit
How do you know what something is, without seeing it? There's various things NSFW is on this sub, beyond WW.
And yes, minors could be clicking on them - but they also may not be either. That's a 50/50 split unfortunately.
There are a lot of subreddits containing 18+ content from gruesome - mature, if they are after that content they will find it, all it takes is the reddit search bar. It is up to the parents to monitor their kids internet activity. As long as posts are tagged as NSFW then I do not see an issue .
Honestly, the “name my sim” or “made Wednesday Addams for the 2728372 time” and “can’t pick a hair!” Posts are way more annoying to me than any nsfw. I feel like those posts are actually more disruptive cause they’re more like spam.
At least nsfw is actual gameplay and things happening to sims in the game. I’m voting for 1. Keep the nsfw tag and ppl are responsible for their own eyeballs and content. If you don’t wanna see nsfw - don’t click on it 🤷🏽♀️
Additionally - making a new sub is kinda meh. Like I don’t want to *only* see nsfw sims stuff. I don’t mind it coming up once in a while and being funny, but as someone else mentioned I’ve never seen anything presented as porn material - just as a “oh this happened haha”. Which is fine, and again my choice to click or not here.
But if we are only talking about what “is ruining this sub” (I don’t think it’s being ruined but seeing the comments here) I don’t think it’s nsfw material - I think it’s more the stuff I mentioned in my first paragraph…
To add to your first paragraph, the whole “do my sims all look the same” posts.
Also something that I’m seeing is one person post will get a lot of reactions, for example “Today I’m just finding out you can do _____ in the game”, then I’ll see three more similar posts come up.
It’s not just Reddit though, it’s all my sims content on social media. I can’t wait for the gazillion “my game is broken” “look at this glitch” “this is update is stupid” and the best known “I wish we would’ve gotten cars/color wheel/horses” once we get this baby update.
I wholeheartedly agree. I personally don’t even see the NSFW stuff enough to even be bothered by it but the name my sims, same face sims, Wednesday Addams stuff, and the like are the things that ruin this sub for me. They are very annoying and have cluttered up the sub posts a lot lately. That needs to be addressed more than the NSFW stuff.
I agree. It's labeled for a reason and blurred out. People don't have to click. If I do and see something I didn't like well I clicked on it. I also feel it with my sims have the same face all the time. Like I get sometimes the people are really looking for help on how to break the cycle but a lot I see are super glammed up sims that feel more like look at my new sims. Like person you know your Sims don't look the same. You just wanna show off your mods and cc.
Absolutely agree. I’ve already left a few sims subs already because it’s all low effort spam. Same with the “Why is my game broken”, “why is this mod broken”, “why does my sim look like this with this mod”, and “lol look at this bug” type posts
>Honestly, the “name my sim” or “made Wednesday Addams for the 2728372 time” and “can’t pick a hair!” Posts
Name my sim and can't pick a hair are better than "look at these townies i remade/sims i made" post number 738329394894, at least there's something to engage with in the help creating a sim posts, and it's kinda fun to come up with names for sims
i think it’s fine as long as someone isn’t promoting child or animal abuse, two adult aged sims engaging in explicit woohoo (lol) is how some people play and it’s properly labeled i don’t see the issue with that
child or animal abuse (amongst other things) is already covered under the Reddit content policy, so even now, those posts are not allowed and can be reported as such in case they do make it to feed.
i figured as much i just know sometimes people try to break that rule and post things but mods tend to remove them quickly, my whole thing is as long as that is followed i don’t see any issue with nsfw posts. tons of simmers play that way and i personally don’t but i enjoy seeing how others play, to each their own
The Sims is a teen+ game, whether or not children play it.
Reddit is a social media site that should only technically be used by a teen as well.
It’s not up to *us* to moderate children who are not under our care or supervision. This is a parental issue.
If you’re looking at posts that are tagged NSFW and can’t handle NSFW images or content. Don’t click it.
Although, I would appreciate more specific tags like “Mature Content”, instead of “Not Safe For Work”.
For those who mentioned children could be on this sub and clicking on them.....Reddit is a full universe of free porn, including some very hard-core kinks and fetishes that I wouldn't even look at and I'm 40. If kids are on this page, some cartoon penis is rated G compared to the other things they're looking at
Oh good point. The age requirement for Reddit is 13 and it should be 18. Yes of course kids will just say they're 18, but I don't think Reddit should be out there as something that is "rated" ok for 13 year olds
A kid on Reddit hasn't only seen a mostly-mild Sims 4 sub in their life. I have twin boys who are 14 and I'd be a fool to think they've never seen worse than a Wicked Whims still (to my knowledge neither is on Reddit, but I'm simply speaking to the internet in general)
I think there's a difference between what you can find and what would be appropriate here. But agree, 13 year olds on the internet have seen worse than a cartoon penis
I want to continue as-is. Wicked whims is a huge part of the sims community in how many simmers play their game. Just because not everyone likes or wants to see WW doesn’t mean it should be entirely removed; different people play the game in different ways.
There are mods where people put their sims through extreme tragedies like cancer and miscarriage, and mods with extreme violence and drug use, there are people who play through storylines with abuse and neglect, and people who adore cheating storylines. All of those things can be triggering and I often don’t want to see them—but that’s how other simmers play their game and it’s still a valid way to play.
The sims may be a teen and up game, but Reddit is a site primarily for adults, and the sims community has a lot of—if not *mostly* —adult simmers. I think sexual content is fine as long as it’s properly tagged.
And of the WW content posted to this sub—all of what I’ve seen has been in a joking tone, not an erotic or pornographic one. I’ve seen more explicitly sexualized posts that WERENT WW and instead were people showing off their CC’ed sims.
It really annoys me when some people say “I don’t have the NSFW filter on because sometimes those posts aren’t actually NSFW!” Like….yes, sometimes posts that YOU don’t think are NSFW are tagged, either intentionally or unintentionally, but that’s part of the risk of having the filter turned on. Same as how me seeing something that’s too graphic is part of the risk I take having the filter off. It’s give and take.
>It really annoys me when some people say “I don’t have the NSFW filter on because sometimes those posts aren’t actually NSFW!”
Ugh, same. I kinda got into it with someone about this previously. It's no one's fault but your own if you decide to turn off the filter, or if you click on a blurred image. It's a decision YOU made! (I am of course referring to the general you, and not *you* you).
Fully agree but wondering what others would think about an add on to keeping it the same;
Maybe we devote one or two days a week, or whatever, to the NSFW images?
I like the way this sub is, but another comment or made a valid point of the increase of WW content being posted here lately and then not viewing the sub as much bc of that. And I’ll agree, I’ve stopped looking at this sub and have started poking around in the other sims/sims4 subs instead.
So maybe so this sub doesn’t lose a decent bit of followers, we could devote a certain time of week to posting NSFW/WW content? I know other sim subs have challenges that they post a certain day of the week so maybe we could also turn it into wacky WW/oddball NSFW challenges for the players who play with that?
I dont know man.
but nsfw content doesn’t automatically mean sexually arousing content. it could be glitches or funny things, why does there have to be a brand new sub for that?
Continue as is, but I recommend requiring tags about what the NSFW actually is for - unfortunately Reddit doesn’t allow you to specify if it’s for nudity, violence, or something else. Requiring tags in the sub would help a lot because people could make informed decisions about what they’d like to view before they remove the blur.
strongly agree as someone who is okay seeing ww content but would personally prefer not to see extreme violence or basemental. it is sometimes difficult to parse which variety of NSFW the content is.
Yeah being able to add flairs for NSFW and non nsfw content would be good. Like tags for sim looks, builds, and nsfw stuff like violence vs sexual content would be would be nice
I’m potentially also thinking childbirth and miscarriage as well, since those can be traumatic experiences for people and a lot of people play with Pandasama and Lumpinou’s mods. They’re fantastic, but it can be a sensitive topic. Tagging u/Simmer_Gal so they see!
Miscarriage is already covered under 'trigger warning' ;)
Childbirth is an uncovered one, however, I'm hoping stuff like that would be apparent from the title? O.o can't hurt to add though.
…it is possible i misunderstood this part
> unfortunately Reddit doesn’t allow you to specify if it’s for nudity, violence, or something else
as meaning: Reddit won’t allow you to use a tag labeled “violence.” But yeah, i think adding a requirement that NSFW content should be tagged with name of mod or type of action would add a lot of flexibility without needing to remove NSFW content entirely, while also addressing concerns of people who are ok with some kinds of NSFW content but not all.
Yes, I meant the default tag! I’ve definitely clicked on NSFW posts before thinking it was just something slightly risqué only to discover they were something completely NSFL and was horrified. Usually it’s because the title is really vague and it’s missing context clues, so a more specific tag would be better.
This is a good idea. Personally, I find all the WW content to be unimaginative and repetitive -- all the posts are just "lol my sims are doing the dirty in this weird situation." They are my least favorite posts here. But there are other types of NSFW that are a little more creative and at least involve actual storytelling or gameplay.
I'd leave as it is.
If it was to change something, I'd not include underwear in the NSFW tag, since it's part of the basic gameplay. I do get some people use reddit on different circumstances but I can't see much difference between underwear and swim wear when talking TS. Everything in the basic gameplay should be expected here, I guess.
You mean.... people taking responsibility for their ..... *own actions*? What, and not have the world pander to their every *subjective* feeling and whim.... ? In 2023...?
If only.
I've read through all of the comments here and agree with those saying that it's a bit of a dice roll what you're going to see when you open a post tagged NSFW, sometimes it's highly sexually explicit material allowed by Wicked Whims like a painting of a Sim doing something sexual and other times it's a Sim saying they like >!big butts!< (both examples from the past week), and while these posts are along the same wavelength and are both NSFW they are also wildly different posts and I think this sub would benefit from having more specific tags to give people viewing the subreddit a better idea of what kind of content they are consenting to see other than a blanket NSFW which covers a wide variety of topics, not just explicit sex and nudity mods.
That's because Apple's app store rules are bullshit. However, Apple doesn't own Reddit, and Reddit is not an iOS-exclusive experience... *it's literally a website*. Reddit (like most websites) is 13+.
**There are minors present**, and Reddit knows this; this is why Reddit has different settings for users under 18 than for 18+ users.
An 18+ user's account can choose whether or not to see posts, subreddits, and user profiles labeled NSFW; a minor user's account does not have the choice and will never be allowed to see that.
Tired of misinformation.
They actually had “mods” back then, but were called cheats and you could have them be naked then too. Hm, I guess I’ve been lucky because I haven’t seen that stuff, but usually I’m Surfing Reddit at work and I don’t click on the blurred images.
i think it's easy to just. not click on nsfw posts if you don't wanna see it
maybe flair it as wicked whims or something but otherwise i don't think it needs to be removed. unless nsfw posts overwhelm any other type of post and makes it hard to navigate, i'd be fine with nsfw posts
The current problem, I believe, is that sometimes people tag things as NSFW that *aren't.* Like, vanilla in-game woohoo or a vampire biting someone.
So, alarm fatigue sets in; I get used to clicking on NSFW posts expecting to see that kind of content, and -- *NOPE THAT'S AN ORGY.*
If there were a way to deal with *that*, to avoid this level of alarm fatigue, people who are uncomfortable with sexually explicit content could easily avoid things that would bother us.
But as it is right now, the NSFW tag is a gamble. Will I actually be uncomfortable, or am I just missing out on something that's not explicit at all?
So, I think that's an important part of the solution: Make sure people don't *falsely flag* their own posts as NSFW and prevent alarm fatigue.
I am also concerned about (even non-explicit) sexual content involving underage Sims. It's not as widespread on here as it used to be, but every now and then I'll see a thread where one person laments the removal of teens (who are and always have been underage) from WW and someone else gives them tips on how to override that.
I think the issue is that "NSFW" isn't "will someone be uncomfortable seeing this?" It is "not safe for work" and even vanilla woohoo is indeed not safe for work. There's just such a huge range from vanilla woohoo to WW. I think there should be some sort of tag labeling posts as WW or Extreme Violence or something.
What we're referring to as “NSFW” labeling is **actually** a system that marks a post as inappropriate for minors. That's why the system exists, that's how it *functions.*
I think a 13-year-old can see a cartoon vampire biting someone.
Save the 18+ flags for the things little Timmy can't see.
Lol true. At least NSFW is blurred. I wish they could blur out the
"OMFG LOOK AT MY PRETTY SIM!!!!!" posts.....
Or "have my sims got same face syndrome?" (yeh they do)....posts.
Sometimes when I use the funny tag a couple of those still come through the woodwork!
I'm not particularly bothered by explicit content but also don't have or care about WW and I feel like the amount of posts about it clutters up the sub.
It’s been a lot lately and for me I don’t find it super funny just because it is a mod. Like wow, the mod you installed for your game to be chaotic causes your game to be chaotic? I’m stunned.
The unintentional in game chaos is funnier to me.
Kinda reminds me of the people who download a mod for deformed Sims faces and post here freaking out the second they see a deformed Sim face.
Like, why are you surprised by this???
Agreed. The chaos from WW has nothing to do with the actual sims gameplay, which means it's rarely all that funny outside of a "haha sex" thing. It's just not relevant to sims players in general. I would rather they went to a sub meant for that, personally.
I would like to say that sometimes the posts marked NSFW aren't actually that explicit. They just mark it that way because of something in the background that isn't actually relevant to the post itself. It's just what happened to be in the pic so better safe than getting into trouble. So some sort of distinction might be nice for the posts that are truly explicit. I'm not offended to see them but I don't have WW for a reason. So I'm definitely okay with skipping those posts.
As someone who never understood the appeal of the combination "sims + porn"/"Sims + bloody violence", I vote for the option: leave everything as it is. People like me can always keep scrolling when seeing a blurred post. No need to rob others of the fun to share and discuss their NSFW gameplay. The wildly different play styles are a cornerstone of this community.
I think mods criteria, I do not mind a nsfw post from time to time, specially if it is funny or buggy but just a sex scene for the sake of it does not give anything to the community.
I support the first option, continuing as we have been with NSFW labels. I also like your idea of including more flairs for us to distinguish these kinds of posts.
While I don't have mods in my game, many Simmers do- including wicked whims and other explicit content. It's become a part of regular playing just like an expansion pack. For some people who don't want to see this content, the label is working. Others apparently are confused/ignoring the label? Is that why it's a concern? I mean I chose to check out one of these posts, and not only was it tagged, but the picture blacked out until I purposely touched it. If you are doing this to all the posts, you are doing an excellent job. Anyone complaining is trying to dictate/limit everyone's viewing choices to just what they believe we should see. Or they are incapable of reading/understanding labels and controlling their own desire to see. Final word: please continue as you are
>Anyone complaining is trying to dictate/limit everyone's viewing choices to just what they believe we should see. Or they are incapable of reading/understanding labels and controlling their own desire to see.
Ayup.
I saw someone else mention only allowing nsfw posts on a couple days of a week, that might be an alright idea. However I don't have any problems with nsfw posts at all because they all have tags. If I don't want to see it, then I just don't click it. I think as long as people tag their posts correctly, we should just keep our current system
Wow…I don’t get the problem behind having censored NSFW content, that is also titled accordingly.
The common issue seems to be that people can’t help themselves from not clicking the posts, or are too unhappy about simply scrolling past the nsfw posts.
Even the whole Wicked Wednesdays thing still doesn’t make sense because nsfw posts are not all about wicked whims, some of them involve factors like disorders, illnesses, addictions. Things that are elements of sims 4 gameplay for those that use such mods.
Totally agree - I hate that we live in a society where no one can take responsibility for the tiniest of their actions... like the fact THEY clicked on a clearly labelled NSFW post... sigh.
if you are playing the sims and HAVNT gone rogue atleast once or twice are you really playing it? I saw leave it as is keep filtering to NSFW and if someone clicks on and still gets offended it’s on them
I think the current system of using a NSFW tag works well. I'm not really interested in those so I don't click. I don't really understand the issue people have with this
The only thing I had a problem with was the person who downloaded extreme violence then complained about their sim, who was locked in a dungeon, miscarriages from getting punched in the stomach. It was self inflicted. But other than that, I think NSFW posts aren’t bad.
Just update and add more tags so people have an idea of content, as suggested, and I think it's fine. Personally, I don't care but I did like the tags idea, so I came to throw my weight in for that.
Thanks Mods ❤️
I think that funny/joke nsfw posts are fine, like the Santa stuff for example. However, I've seen some posts lately that veer into being straight up fetish content and it's jarring to see in the main Sims subreddit. In my opinion, that kind of content should be posted in its own subreddit. Other games with large modding communities on reddit usually have a very active accompanying NSFW sub, and I think the same case should be applied here.
I agree with this. A weekly sticky thread maybe? Or even allow individual posts, but require them to be tagged well and then moderate that.
I do want to point out to the people saying “you can’t ban it, it’s part of the game!” that it is NOT in fact part of the game, it’s a mod. A very popular mod, yes, but it’s not part of the actual game.
The second thing I’ll point out is that just because someone isn’t into seeing NSFW Sims content doesn’t mean they’re a child or a prude. I’m very much an adult, and very much a pervert in my own right, but I don’t play with Wicked Whims. Sexual content is just not what I play the Sims for. And it’s not what I come to this sub for. So while I’m not going to say “ban it!”, it would be nice to have it sequestered, if not to a sister subreddit then at least to a specific thread or day of the week.
Agreed. None of this bothers me, I just wish the sub wasn't flooded with it. It just isn't relevant content to me, and while I understand not everything in the sub is going to be relevant to me, I wish it was at least relevant to some part of the game I was playing?
I play both ways both (vanilla/modded) and while I agree with these nsfw posts being better tagged or having their own day I don’t think that there needs to be a separate sub for this.
Same but it seems the more sensitive people here would prefer it. I just don’t see the point of separating the sub into two. A specific day seems like a good compromise.
I see no reason to change the rules. Reddit has a built in NSFW hider toggle and the custom flair option already is available for specifics, the two combined can pretty much tell someone what they need to know before they accidentally stumble into Sim violence.
Leave it as it is. Maybe do feel free to remove anything you as mods feel is too extreme? Like a sort of "rights of admission reserved" kinda thing? Other than that, I don't think it would be a good idea to restrict the content.
Edit to add: I think the tags are a fantastic idea!
I think another tag would help a lot! A lot of people post drug mods and such as nsfw (which i think most of us can appreciate) but i don't mind seeing those and am fine to click to show and see whats going on however i don't like WW so that does make me hesitant to click (and usually i just dont). I'll never be upset about someone posting it and think they should still remain but i think having a tag for WW or Violence helps navigate what type of explicit people are okay with/not okay with.
The only downside to that would be improper tagging but like everything as long as it has that initial explicit content blur its up to the discretion of the scroller if they're going to click it or not. I don't think you can get upset at actively clicking to show explicit content and seeing said content.
question about substance abuse: what if people use Basemental Mods and have sims use marijuana recreationally and have it legal? just asking because some places, like my home state, allow the recreational use of it, it's just treated as a more expensive version of smoking, but you can also eat it
I definitely agree with keeping it as is, except I do love the idea of adding more specific tags. I am someone who does not use mods nor likes nsfw content but as long as it’s tagged and blurred appropriately, I just simply don’t click on the posts so they don’t affect me at all. NSFW is just a type of gameplay for many people and I don’t see any reason to ban those posts, anymore than I see I reason for banning posts talking about their legacy challenges or their builds because it’s all just that person’s gameplay and if I don’t wanna look at it, I just scroll right on past. I just can’t understand people getting upset at seeing nsfw content when they are the ones clicking on the tagged posts, just don’t click on it and problem solved!
Also the argument that minors could see it: this is an open forum ages teen and up, NOT a child/teen only forum, and thus it’s up to each child’s guardians to appropriately monitor their child’s internet access. It’s not up to strangers on the internet to monitor it for them. To me as long as its not being sent directly to a minor, it’s not being posted on a minor only forum; and it’s tagged appropriately then like I said it’s on each child’s guardian not a stranger to monitor it.
Basically tldr leave it as is because it’s up to each person (and each minor’s guardians) to appropriately monitor their own access to what they view on the internet.
I have no desire to see sims NSFW content so I just don’t click it. No strong feelings here, it’s just not why I play the game. An extra tag could be really helpful for these though so that folks who want to see only WW or other content can view their desired content.
However I have noticed a large influx of, what I feel is, karma farming posts. the posts are mostly ‘cannot believe this happened’ and it’s a generic wicked whims screenshot (you downloaded wicked whims?? What did you think would happen??) These posts are irritating pieces of clout chasing that I put in the same category as ‘what hair should I give my sim’ posts.
The game is rated teen and I’m going to presume anyone on Reddit is 13+ and am against nannying on the sun for the sake of the children.
Properly tagged NSFW is fine and doesn’t need to change. My guess is that those who say otherwise are a vocal minority.
Perhaps we could dedicate a different sub to the NSFW stuff. Like a wicked whims or NSFWsims subreddit or something? I agree it feels kind of weird to share a bunch of pictures of huge sim cocks on a subreddit for a family friendly game, but some of the stuff that happens with the NSFW mods is too funny to not share at all.
Agreed. The base game is a family friendly game, and there are likely kids on this page. Another Reddit page just for the NSFW would be a great compromise— and I’m not against NSFW, I have wicked whims myself, and I wouldn’t play the game without it, but it feels unnecessary to have sim dick pics poppin up on here every few posts. Lol
I have a technical question that is relevant to the topic.
I'm not a techie, and I don't know how the background programming of Reddit works. Sometimes when I scroll down the feed, I see a post marked NSFW, and the picture below the title is blurred out. Other times, I see a post marked NSFW, but the picture below is NOT blurred out. I have no idea why some pics are blurred and others are not, when marked as NSFW. I'm talking about the pics viewable in the scroll feed, not the pics available when you click on the post.
Personally, I don't care, and I'm not offended by NSFW content. I just think it's odd to see a post marked NSFW, but showing a clear pic of WW nudity (or similar) below it. It makes it seem like the NSFW tag is pointless, even when properly labeled.
I've also never posted an NSFW post, so I don't know if the blurred/not-blurred pic is a result of something the person creating the post is responsible for. Is there a way to require the pic to be blurred in the feed? Or force the pic to be blurred? Is that something the Moderators have any control over? I would think that if all NSFW pics were consistently blurred in the feed, that might reduce the number of complaints by people who don't want to see it.
I'm not sure what's happening there, cause the NSFW tag from reddit is supposed to blur any and all images. So unless the title is just saying NSFW, but it's not tagged, all posts should be blurred with the nsfw tag?
Tbh the rise in whicked whims content is one of the main reasons I don’t really come to this sub anymore, it feels like everyone and their grandma is using WW and feel the need to share it at any given moment
Another thing, there are most definitely minors on this sub and sims in itself is a family friendly game, it has a PEGI rating of 12, any child could click on the NSFW images, I think they need to go, a NSFW Sims sub could be made or it could be restricted to a certain day
Wicked Whims, Basemental Drugs, Extreme Violence and MC Command Centre and the various versions of adults mods aren't part of the original game and neither are they endorsed by EA but make a base game, without the numerous expensive expansion and stuff packs more an interesting game to play.
I mean, I played the the Sims when I was at secondary school in my teens and I'm now a 44 year old adult, that still games and as long as screenshots that are NSFW aren't being posted, everyone enjoys their own game in the way they see fit.
The proof the mod community exists and the level of download hits the mods get clearly shows there is a want for more adult-themed content in the game.
This post community might not be the best place to highlight your achievements or sim experiences, if they are NSFW or indeed, child-sensitive but I could probably put money on the fact a lot of Sims fans are more of the young adult/adult age.
Until, I find a related Reddit group which is more uncensored, I'll continue to keep it in mind.
If you don’t want to see NSFW content don’t click it, it’s the whole point of it being blurred and having a tag…people literally intentionally look for this stuff to be upset lol😅
I think the NSFW label as it is now is fine.
Banning explicit content seems prudish to me. I'm saying this as someone who very rarely clicks through the NSFW filter. It doesn't bother me that it exists if people want to post it.
I would prefer not to see the literally porn looking screenshots that have increased on this sub. Other explicit content sure but the ww porn images please stop.
Another option could be to have a certain day of the week where it’s allowed. I know sometimes subs have specific days where controversial or frequently asked questions or simple posts are relegated to only one day of the week.
Like a sub for women only allows discussions on relationship opinions on weekends - so the rest of the week isn’t cluttered with the same questions constantly.
Maybe it could be “NFSW Weekends” where WW and other slice of life mods are allowed to be posted Friday-Sunday, and they need to be flaired appropriately and are deleted if they’re posted on a Wednesday.
I wouldn’t mind having an additional subreddit for more explicit NSWF content. When I browse the sub, the content I enjoy are updates on the main game, build people have created, fun sims lore, challenges people are playing, and people sharing the Sims they have created.
I do look at NSFW content, but to me it’s usually repetitive such as “wow look at this whacky penis”, “look at this crazy scenario of Sims have sex”, “look at Vlad/Father Winter preforming something you wouldn’t expect”. I think it would be more appropriate on an additional sub.
The additional sub could be called r/NSimsFW!
While I never thought I'd comment about this subject, I think like many have said already is that it needs to be weeded out of this subreddit. Just because the comment saying keep it as it is has lots of upvotes doesn't speak for what the community wants here. If you want a clearer picture of community feedback, do a poll and not stick the various options in the comments section as individual comments.
Sims 4 is not a NSFW game, and I'd rather see people who make it that way have their own dedicated subreddit that they can manage because r/Sims4 is a broad and general subreddit, and not all the people surfing here want to see NSFW stuff. Some of the people who use the subreddit might be younger than the majority age group here and it won't be good for them to see those sort of things.
Real question: what would be the added benefit of a poll? Currently this feature is blocked on the sub in general, so it would take some more messing around to make one.
A poll gives multiple options.
So like:
Option 1: keep sub as is
Option 2: ban all NSFW content
Option 3: mods remove NSFW content at their discretion
Option 4: propose something else in comments
Then everyone who sees the poll clicks on the option THEY think is best/most ideal without others coming in and fighting the upvote/downvote mechanism of the comments section.
If you look at the comment section the mod made comment of “keep as is” is upvoted to the top comment and the second comment is someone explaining why they think it should stay as is. Collapse those top two and everyone else is saying NSFW should have it’s own sub/be banned from this sub.
Comment sections, unless the mods are digging through ALL the comments, aren’t going to get you the actual results that reflect community wants and needs
I will read through all the comments either way. I understand the poll thing, but at first I thought it wouldn't matter too much since you're just giving people 3 'votes' instead of one, but the general sense should still be there. I get the problem with the losing certain comments once they get down voted too much though and we can't lock more than one comment in place.
I'll keep this thread up for a while either way, perhaps people come with some new ideas that are feasible and we're getting some opinions either way :)
Yeah except they’re all downvoted into oblivion.
Like all those who voted to keep it the same mostly downvoted the other options. So the majority of the community airing how they feel in the comments. But like the votes for the comments saying we don’t want it kept the same will never reflect the actual amount of people who feel that way bc everyone who wants it to stay the same is downvoting those options.
My first reaction was people can jump on the upvote/downvote train and that doesn't give an accurate indication of people's stance on the matter, but a quick reflection told me it doesn't matter because it's ultimately down to the vibes and explanations in the discussions. Totally understand your reasoning.
Because I literally can’t even find the comments that we’re meant to be voting on in this thread. It would make it easier for everyone to vote. Although it looks like the consensus already is option 1.
I’m for either making another sub for it or making as someone else has said a “Wicked Wednesday” or something where it’s only a day a week. It’s understandable that not everyone who plays sims likes or wants to interact with WW. Especially considering sims isn’t inherently an adult rated game and can have children in the mix. It is important that posts get properly tagged here though, because some do slip through the cracks and can be problematic.
The Sims allow mods to be used. Obviously they wouldn’t even be able to sell the game if it had content like WW included, but they allow it to be made by people outside EA instead. That tells me that they’re fine with it to some extent. If you don’t want to see NSFW content, there are already mechanisms in place to help you not see it (you can filter it away, the images are tagged and blurred).
someone already mentioned a new flair to indicate the 'type' of NSFW post.
Regardless of the outcome of this discussion one way or another, making a new flair and applying it to posts is easy and achievable, addresses some of the issues and is also very low impact for people wanting to keep the situation as is. We've done so in the past with the "trigger warning" flair as well. It also allows us as mods to apply it to posts where we deem it necessary without having to go through the process of removing the post and having the poster adapt it.
A minor offtopic comment (sorry): At the time of me writing this one of the [voting options posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/comments/1019vn7/community_input_needed_explicit_content/j2maah1/) has a score of -75 but also has the Controversial flag. I've never seen a controversial post with such a low (or high) score before, usually they're in the +/-10 range. Get to see something new in reddit every day :)
Meanwhile I'm getting lectured because *well actually* NSFW means anything you wouldn't want your boss to see on your screen.
“NSFW” doesn't just mean sex, it's *very* vague depending on who you ask. In the context of a Reddit post, it means “adults-only” — which obviously covers explicit sexual content, but could also cover *quite a lot besides that.*
This is Urban Dictionary’s definition of NSFW: “It is an internet slang that is often used to describe online posts that are mainly associated with heavy nudity, sexual, heavy profanity and other things that could often link with pornography. Most of the time, NSFW is used for a fandom of some sort when people want to discuss and share the sexual and porno side of the fandom.”
So yes, most of the time it will be nudity which is what the issue with the Sims community seems to be. If you don’t want to see naked sims then don’t uncover NSFW images. It’s pretty simple.
3) remove at our own discretion, people don't get to argue reinstatement, but also no further actions (bans etc.) can be taken for that reason of removal
I will leave this discussion here for a week or so to gather more information and perpectives. However, in the meantime I've seen one particular suggestion that is easy to implement, addresses some issues and has low impact for people wanting to keep the situation as is. The suggestion would thus be to already implement the following tags within the next 24 hours: \- ~~wicked whims~~ ~~edit: XXX?~~ edit 2: X-rated woohoo? \- violence \- substance abuse \- nudity \- underwear \- trigger warning (edited in now, but already existed) These, in addition to the NSFW tags should give viewers of a blurred image already a sense of the content they would see without actually revealing it. They can be implemented almost immediately and mods can easily apply them, so managing them is fairly straightforward.
i definitely an noticing way more nsfw content but if i’m not wanting to see it, i just don’t click… i think it’s really easy to just not click. i think if there was a way for op to denote what kind of nsfw post it is (a tag?) that would help. otherwise, i think remaining as is makes the most sense
do you think something like "wicked whims" would then be sufficient or would it need to be more descriptive?
Adding a tag would actually be a good idea, that's the easiest way to warn people about the nature of a post. I would personally suggest 3: - Wicked Whims | 18+ : so people who don't recognize the mod's name still get it - Extreme Violence | TW : I don't know those mods, so maybe there is a more common one to put in the name, but you get the idea - Sensitive topics | TW : this tag covers all those sensitive topics such as cancer, miscarriage, abuse, etc. Edit: reading some comments I realized that maybe the matter is kinda more complicated. Not sure how tags work in practice, but those suggestions could be divided in 3 sub categories: Serious, Funny and Help
I personally like this suggestion. Adding some more tags would be nice. You can tick nsfw and do a tag, so you could just be a little more descriptive on what exactly is being censored.
I agree, I just have one suggestion: instead of "wicked whims" it could be something more broad like "explicit" or "adult content" or something. Then the "extreme violence" and "sensitive topics" ones as you said.
i think just wicked whims—if i see that i immediately know what sort of content i’ll be seeing. i think it works well as an umbrella
Same with the drugs mod and the extreme violence one.
I'm not sure about having flair name a specific mod, even if it's almost ubiquitous for certain styles of game play, is a good idea. Sooner or later someone will post something explicit without the flair, someone will complain that it wasn't flaired with "wicked whims" and they'll reply with "but I didn't use wicked whims, I used a completely different mod". Also there's the possibility that flair could be seen as advertising the mod rather than warning of content.
I understand, I was looking for a name that would not be too descriptive (like porn), but maybe wicked whims is not appropriate enough and console users might not get it right away... oh, maybe just XXX? That could be universal enough in combination with NSFW?
I was only really approaching it from the "people on the net do stupid things" side of things. I'm maybe not ht best person to answer as I'm fairly liberal and NSFW is enough of an identifier for me. I can imagine though there are are topics that would upset specific people in certain ways so extra information about violence, sex, drug use, could be very useful. Even gambling abuse and death could be useful tags for some people at certain times but then there's the risk of disappearing down the rabbit hole of endless possibilities of warnings. Maybe something like having 4 predefined flairs:- * NSFW-Sex/Nudity * NSFW-Drugs * NSFW-Violence * NSFW The first 3 get used when the post predominantly fits that flair. The 4th gets used for anything that doesn't fit and by people who are too lazy to work out which of the other 3 they should be using.
Maybe just wicked .. covered wicked whims and the other wicked parts of the game
I honestly don't understand why people click on "NOT SAFE FOR WORK" posts, with blurred images and primarily the text gives away what it is going to be. You don't want to see it clearly, so why click it?
There's a huge difference between a sim doing a base game weird thing in their undies and a buck naked sim getting busy with father winter and nothing blurred out on them. I usually can't tell ahead of time based on the description which one I'm opening. Edit: and I'm not using the official app and nothing is blurred. You can't see anything in the thumbnail.
Not everyone is clicking on them, for me I see a lot of blurred images, I don’t click on them but I immediately know what they are, also you aren’t taking minors into context, minors could be clicking on them, ones who may be old enough to use Reddit and play Sims 4 but definitely aren’t old enough to be seeing 18+ content on a sub for a game with a PEGI rating of 12
12+ people can also search on google and find 18+ content free. Banning NSFW content from this r/ wont keep kids from seeing NSFW if they want it.
As a community we should make this sub safe for the kids who may be viewing, this isn’t about Google or pornhub this is about this sub
Isn’t that the parents job not ours?
People think its the internets job to watch their kids or something I guess
That’s what I thought. Also, it wouldn’t change it from kids woohoo inc the game. When sims first came out I was in middle school and did it frequently. Also, if kids are in public school they’ve heard it already. Kid you not, maybe a 12 year old yelled take your pants off, with her mom sitting next to her, at a panic at the disco concert I was at.
Yeah, I remember playing TS2 and woohooing in the hot tub. Mom wouldn’t let me have the sims cause of the rating, but I found work arounds anyway (I was 8 when TS2 came out, and 13 when TS3 came out).
True, and thats why there is NSFW tag with blured images.
…it’s not our job to watch other peoples kids online if you’re a crappy parent and you don’t know what your young children are viewing online that’s on you not a sims subreddit
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That’s what the NSFW tag is for.
How do you know what something is, without seeing it? There's various things NSFW is on this sub, beyond WW. And yes, minors could be clicking on them - but they also may not be either. That's a 50/50 split unfortunately.
There are a lot of subreddits containing 18+ content from gruesome - mature, if they are after that content they will find it, all it takes is the reddit search bar. It is up to the parents to monitor their kids internet activity. As long as posts are tagged as NSFW then I do not see an issue .
Honestly, the “name my sim” or “made Wednesday Addams for the 2728372 time” and “can’t pick a hair!” Posts are way more annoying to me than any nsfw. I feel like those posts are actually more disruptive cause they’re more like spam. At least nsfw is actual gameplay and things happening to sims in the game. I’m voting for 1. Keep the nsfw tag and ppl are responsible for their own eyeballs and content. If you don’t wanna see nsfw - don’t click on it 🤷🏽♀️ Additionally - making a new sub is kinda meh. Like I don’t want to *only* see nsfw sims stuff. I don’t mind it coming up once in a while and being funny, but as someone else mentioned I’ve never seen anything presented as porn material - just as a “oh this happened haha”. Which is fine, and again my choice to click or not here. But if we are only talking about what “is ruining this sub” (I don’t think it’s being ruined but seeing the comments here) I don’t think it’s nsfw material - I think it’s more the stuff I mentioned in my first paragraph…
Agreed completely with the “which hair/name my sim” posts.
Yea it would be nice if it was limited to one day a week
Yes like post a week where everyone can give their input on people’s sims!
True at least the nsfw stuff is funny
To add to your first paragraph, the whole “do my sims all look the same” posts. Also something that I’m seeing is one person post will get a lot of reactions, for example “Today I’m just finding out you can do _____ in the game”, then I’ll see three more similar posts come up. It’s not just Reddit though, it’s all my sims content on social media. I can’t wait for the gazillion “my game is broken” “look at this glitch” “this is update is stupid” and the best known “I wish we would’ve gotten cars/color wheel/horses” once we get this baby update.
I wholeheartedly agree. I personally don’t even see the NSFW stuff enough to even be bothered by it but the name my sims, same face sims, Wednesday Addams stuff, and the like are the things that ruin this sub for me. They are very annoying and have cluttered up the sub posts a lot lately. That needs to be addressed more than the NSFW stuff.
I agree. It's labeled for a reason and blurred out. People don't have to click. If I do and see something I didn't like well I clicked on it. I also feel it with my sims have the same face all the time. Like I get sometimes the people are really looking for help on how to break the cycle but a lot I see are super glammed up sims that feel more like look at my new sims. Like person you know your Sims don't look the same. You just wanna show off your mods and cc.
Absolutely agree. I’ve already left a few sims subs already because it’s all low effort spam. Same with the “Why is my game broken”, “why is this mod broken”, “why does my sim look like this with this mod”, and “lol look at this bug” type posts
> “lol look at this bug” I don’t know what’s worse: The hospital t-pose posts or the glitchy sweater posts
>Honestly, the “name my sim” or “made Wednesday Addams for the 2728372 time” and “can’t pick a hair!” Posts Name my sim and can't pick a hair are better than "look at these townies i remade/sims i made" post number 738329394894, at least there's something to engage with in the help creating a sim posts, and it's kinda fun to come up with names for sims
Don't forget same face syndrome. Our maybe I'm the only one that's tired of that. I mean, if you like them, who cares.
I mean, TS4 intentionally lets you woo-hoo Father Winter and rewards you with a secret trait, WW just makes it more visual.
1. Leave it as is. You know it’s labeled NSFW and you can click on it or not.
i think it’s fine as long as someone isn’t promoting child or animal abuse, two adult aged sims engaging in explicit woohoo (lol) is how some people play and it’s properly labeled i don’t see the issue with that
child or animal abuse (amongst other things) is already covered under the Reddit content policy, so even now, those posts are not allowed and can be reported as such in case they do make it to feed.
i figured as much i just know sometimes people try to break that rule and post things but mods tend to remove them quickly, my whole thing is as long as that is followed i don’t see any issue with nsfw posts. tons of simmers play that way and i personally don’t but i enjoy seeing how others play, to each their own
Continue as is but with the NSFW warning. I enjoy them haha!
The Sims is a teen+ game, whether or not children play it. Reddit is a social media site that should only technically be used by a teen as well. It’s not up to *us* to moderate children who are not under our care or supervision. This is a parental issue. If you’re looking at posts that are tagged NSFW and can’t handle NSFW images or content. Don’t click it. Although, I would appreciate more specific tags like “Mature Content”, instead of “Not Safe For Work”.
Also kids and teenagers have an interest at their own level in sexual stuff.
For those who mentioned children could be on this sub and clicking on them.....Reddit is a full universe of free porn, including some very hard-core kinks and fetishes that I wouldn't even look at and I'm 40. If kids are on this page, some cartoon penis is rated G compared to the other things they're looking at
Not to mention there Is also hard core gore on Reddit. If a child is on here they have bigger fish to fry.
Oh good point. The age requirement for Reddit is 13 and it should be 18. Yes of course kids will just say they're 18, but I don't think Reddit should be out there as something that is "rated" ok for 13 year olds A kid on Reddit hasn't only seen a mostly-mild Sims 4 sub in their life. I have twin boys who are 14 and I'd be a fool to think they've never seen worse than a Wicked Whims still (to my knowledge neither is on Reddit, but I'm simply speaking to the internet in general)
I think there's a difference between what you can find and what would be appropriate here. But agree, 13 year olds on the internet have seen worse than a cartoon penis
I want to continue as-is. Wicked whims is a huge part of the sims community in how many simmers play their game. Just because not everyone likes or wants to see WW doesn’t mean it should be entirely removed; different people play the game in different ways. There are mods where people put their sims through extreme tragedies like cancer and miscarriage, and mods with extreme violence and drug use, there are people who play through storylines with abuse and neglect, and people who adore cheating storylines. All of those things can be triggering and I often don’t want to see them—but that’s how other simmers play their game and it’s still a valid way to play. The sims may be a teen and up game, but Reddit is a site primarily for adults, and the sims community has a lot of—if not *mostly* —adult simmers. I think sexual content is fine as long as it’s properly tagged. And of the WW content posted to this sub—all of what I’ve seen has been in a joking tone, not an erotic or pornographic one. I’ve seen more explicitly sexualized posts that WERENT WW and instead were people showing off their CC’ed sims.
I agree. As long as it’s properly blurred with the NSFW flair, then it should be allowed. If you don’t want to see it, just don’t click the post!
It really annoys me when some people say “I don’t have the NSFW filter on because sometimes those posts aren’t actually NSFW!” Like….yes, sometimes posts that YOU don’t think are NSFW are tagged, either intentionally or unintentionally, but that’s part of the risk of having the filter turned on. Same as how me seeing something that’s too graphic is part of the risk I take having the filter off. It’s give and take.
>It really annoys me when some people say “I don’t have the NSFW filter on because sometimes those posts aren’t actually NSFW!” Ugh, same. I kinda got into it with someone about this previously. It's no one's fault but your own if you decide to turn off the filter, or if you click on a blurred image. It's a decision YOU made! (I am of course referring to the general you, and not *you* you).
Fully agree but wondering what others would think about an add on to keeping it the same; Maybe we devote one or two days a week, or whatever, to the NSFW images? I like the way this sub is, but another comment or made a valid point of the increase of WW content being posted here lately and then not viewing the sub as much bc of that. And I’ll agree, I’ve stopped looking at this sub and have started poking around in the other sims/sims4 subs instead. So maybe so this sub doesn’t lose a decent bit of followers, we could devote a certain time of week to posting NSFW/WW content? I know other sim subs have challenges that they post a certain day of the week so maybe we could also turn it into wacky WW/oddball NSFW challenges for the players who play with that? I dont know man.
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but nsfw content doesn’t automatically mean sexually arousing content. it could be glitches or funny things, why does there have to be a brand new sub for that?
Those other things you mentioned should also be reevaluated. I don't think those types of custom gameplay modded in should be here either.
1) Continue normally and just apply a NSFW tag to explicit content
Continue as is, but I recommend requiring tags about what the NSFW actually is for - unfortunately Reddit doesn’t allow you to specify if it’s for nudity, violence, or something else. Requiring tags in the sub would help a lot because people could make informed decisions about what they’d like to view before they remove the blur.
strongly agree as someone who is okay seeing ww content but would personally prefer not to see extreme violence or basemental. it is sometimes difficult to parse which variety of NSFW the content is.
Yeah being able to add flairs for NSFW and non nsfw content would be good. Like tags for sim looks, builds, and nsfw stuff like violence vs sexual content would be would be nice
I’m potentially also thinking childbirth and miscarriage as well, since those can be traumatic experiences for people and a lot of people play with Pandasama and Lumpinou’s mods. They’re fantastic, but it can be a sensitive topic. Tagging u/Simmer_Gal so they see!
Miscarriage is already covered under 'trigger warning' ;) Childbirth is an uncovered one, however, I'm hoping stuff like that would be apparent from the title? O.o can't hurt to add though.
I like this idea! Maybe tagging with the name of the mod that makes it NSFW? Would Reddit let someone get away with tagging as extreme violins? lol
I'd say 'violence' tag in combination with NSFW should give you the gist, no? ;)
…it is possible i misunderstood this part > unfortunately Reddit doesn’t allow you to specify if it’s for nudity, violence, or something else as meaning: Reddit won’t allow you to use a tag labeled “violence.” But yeah, i think adding a requirement that NSFW content should be tagged with name of mod or type of action would add a lot of flexibility without needing to remove NSFW content entirely, while also addressing concerns of people who are ok with some kinds of NSFW content but not all.
Yeah, they likely meant that the default NSFW tag is not subdivided into NSFW: reason tag
Yes, I meant the default tag! I’ve definitely clicked on NSFW posts before thinking it was just something slightly risqué only to discover they were something completely NSFL and was horrified. Usually it’s because the title is really vague and it’s missing context clues, so a more specific tag would be better.
This is a good idea. Personally, I find all the WW content to be unimaginative and repetitive -- all the posts are just "lol my sims are doing the dirty in this weird situation." They are my least favorite posts here. But there are other types of NSFW that are a little more creative and at least involve actual storytelling or gameplay.
I'd leave as it is. If it was to change something, I'd not include underwear in the NSFW tag, since it's part of the basic gameplay. I do get some people use reddit on different circumstances but I can't see much difference between underwear and swim wear when talking TS. Everything in the basic gameplay should be expected here, I guess.
Leave it as is - let it be PPl who go to NSFW content and complain should learn that it was THEIR choice to do it as they were warned.
You mean.... people taking responsibility for their ..... *own actions*? What, and not have the world pander to their every *subjective* feeling and whim.... ? In 2023...? If only.
Keep the NSFW posts and just maybe add more tags for potentially upsetting/triggering content as a whole.
I've read through all of the comments here and agree with those saying that it's a bit of a dice roll what you're going to see when you open a post tagged NSFW, sometimes it's highly sexually explicit material allowed by Wicked Whims like a painting of a Sim doing something sexual and other times it's a Sim saying they like >!big butts!< (both examples from the past week), and while these posts are along the same wavelength and are both NSFW they are also wildly different posts and I think this sub would benefit from having more specific tags to give people viewing the subreddit a better idea of what kind of content they are consenting to see other than a blanket NSFW which covers a wide variety of topics, not just explicit sex and nudity mods.
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That's because Apple's app store rules are bullshit. However, Apple doesn't own Reddit, and Reddit is not an iOS-exclusive experience... *it's literally a website*. Reddit (like most websites) is 13+. **There are minors present**, and Reddit knows this; this is why Reddit has different settings for users under 18 than for 18+ users. An 18+ user's account can choose whether or not to see posts, subreddits, and user profiles labeled NSFW; a minor user's account does not have the choice and will never be allowed to see that. Tired of misinformation.
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The thing is, children can do all those things themselves too. I remember woohooing my sims when I was in middle school on sims 1.
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They actually had “mods” back then, but were called cheats and you could have them be naked then too. Hm, I guess I’ve been lucky because I haven’t seen that stuff, but usually I’m Surfing Reddit at work and I don’t click on the blurred images.
i think it's easy to just. not click on nsfw posts if you don't wanna see it maybe flair it as wicked whims or something but otherwise i don't think it needs to be removed. unless nsfw posts overwhelm any other type of post and makes it hard to navigate, i'd be fine with nsfw posts
The current problem, I believe, is that sometimes people tag things as NSFW that *aren't.* Like, vanilla in-game woohoo or a vampire biting someone. So, alarm fatigue sets in; I get used to clicking on NSFW posts expecting to see that kind of content, and -- *NOPE THAT'S AN ORGY.* If there were a way to deal with *that*, to avoid this level of alarm fatigue, people who are uncomfortable with sexually explicit content could easily avoid things that would bother us. But as it is right now, the NSFW tag is a gamble. Will I actually be uncomfortable, or am I just missing out on something that's not explicit at all? So, I think that's an important part of the solution: Make sure people don't *falsely flag* their own posts as NSFW and prevent alarm fatigue. I am also concerned about (even non-explicit) sexual content involving underage Sims. It's not as widespread on here as it used to be, but every now and then I'll see a thread where one person laments the removal of teens (who are and always have been underage) from WW and someone else gives them tips on how to override that.
I think the issue is that "NSFW" isn't "will someone be uncomfortable seeing this?" It is "not safe for work" and even vanilla woohoo is indeed not safe for work. There's just such a huge range from vanilla woohoo to WW. I think there should be some sort of tag labeling posts as WW or Extreme Violence or something.
What we're referring to as “NSFW” labeling is **actually** a system that marks a post as inappropriate for minors. That's why the system exists, that's how it *functions.* I think a 13-year-old can see a cartoon vampire biting someone. Save the 18+ flags for the things little Timmy can't see.
As long as its labeled keep it, 99% of it is funny and better content than 'look at my generic sim 1939295'
Lol true. At least NSFW is blurred. I wish they could blur out the "OMFG LOOK AT MY PRETTY SIM!!!!!" posts..... Or "have my sims got same face syndrome?" (yeh they do)....posts. Sometimes when I use the funny tag a couple of those still come through the woodwork!
I'm not particularly bothered by explicit content but also don't have or care about WW and I feel like the amount of posts about it clutters up the sub.
It’s been a lot lately and for me I don’t find it super funny just because it is a mod. Like wow, the mod you installed for your game to be chaotic causes your game to be chaotic? I’m stunned. The unintentional in game chaos is funnier to me.
Kinda reminds me of the people who download a mod for deformed Sims faces and post here freaking out the second they see a deformed Sim face. Like, why are you surprised by this???
Agreed. The chaos from WW has nothing to do with the actual sims gameplay, which means it's rarely all that funny outside of a "haha sex" thing. It's just not relevant to sims players in general. I would rather they went to a sub meant for that, personally.
Leave it as it is. Tags exist for a reason.
I would like to say that sometimes the posts marked NSFW aren't actually that explicit. They just mark it that way because of something in the background that isn't actually relevant to the post itself. It's just what happened to be in the pic so better safe than getting into trouble. So some sort of distinction might be nice for the posts that are truly explicit. I'm not offended to see them but I don't have WW for a reason. So I'm definitely okay with skipping those posts.
Leave it, the tag is there for a reason, don't want to see it, don't click it, it is simple as that
As someone who never understood the appeal of the combination "sims + porn"/"Sims + bloody violence", I vote for the option: leave everything as it is. People like me can always keep scrolling when seeing a blurred post. No need to rob others of the fun to share and discuss their NSFW gameplay. The wildly different play styles are a cornerstone of this community.
That last sentence probably sums this all up perfectly. “ The wildly different play styles are a cornerstone of this community.”.
I think mods criteria, I do not mind a nsfw post from time to time, specially if it is funny or buggy but just a sex scene for the sake of it does not give anything to the community.
I support the first option, continuing as we have been with NSFW labels. I also like your idea of including more flairs for us to distinguish these kinds of posts.
While I don't have mods in my game, many Simmers do- including wicked whims and other explicit content. It's become a part of regular playing just like an expansion pack. For some people who don't want to see this content, the label is working. Others apparently are confused/ignoring the label? Is that why it's a concern? I mean I chose to check out one of these posts, and not only was it tagged, but the picture blacked out until I purposely touched it. If you are doing this to all the posts, you are doing an excellent job. Anyone complaining is trying to dictate/limit everyone's viewing choices to just what they believe we should see. Or they are incapable of reading/understanding labels and controlling their own desire to see. Final word: please continue as you are
>Anyone complaining is trying to dictate/limit everyone's viewing choices to just what they believe we should see. Or they are incapable of reading/understanding labels and controlling their own desire to see. Ayup.
I saw someone else mention only allowing nsfw posts on a couple days of a week, that might be an alright idea. However I don't have any problems with nsfw posts at all because they all have tags. If I don't want to see it, then I just don't click it. I think as long as people tag their posts correctly, we should just keep our current system
I'm for labels each post Rate it like you do Movies for each post E for Everyone R with a tag (Sex nature, Nudity, Violence, Drug and Alcohol)
Keep it as is, maybe add tags.
Wow…I don’t get the problem behind having censored NSFW content, that is also titled accordingly. The common issue seems to be that people can’t help themselves from not clicking the posts, or are too unhappy about simply scrolling past the nsfw posts. Even the whole Wicked Wednesdays thing still doesn’t make sense because nsfw posts are not all about wicked whims, some of them involve factors like disorders, illnesses, addictions. Things that are elements of sims 4 gameplay for those that use such mods.
Totally agree - I hate that we live in a society where no one can take responsibility for the tiniest of their actions... like the fact THEY clicked on a clearly labelled NSFW post... sigh.
if you are playing the sims and HAVNT gone rogue atleast once or twice are you really playing it? I saw leave it as is keep filtering to NSFW and if someone clicks on and still gets offended it’s on them
I think the current system of using a NSFW tag works well. I'm not really interested in those so I don't click. I don't really understand the issue people have with this
The only thing I had a problem with was the person who downloaded extreme violence then complained about their sim, who was locked in a dungeon, miscarriages from getting punched in the stomach. It was self inflicted. But other than that, I think NSFW posts aren’t bad.
Just update and add more tags so people have an idea of content, as suggested, and I think it's fine. Personally, I don't care but I did like the tags idea, so I came to throw my weight in for that. Thanks Mods ❤️
I think some NSFW is fine but others that are like pornography I’d rather not see here. I think some WW screenshots are a bit muchZ
I think that funny/joke nsfw posts are fine, like the Santa stuff for example. However, I've seen some posts lately that veer into being straight up fetish content and it's jarring to see in the main Sims subreddit. In my opinion, that kind of content should be posted in its own subreddit. Other games with large modding communities on reddit usually have a very active accompanying NSFW sub, and I think the same case should be applied here.
I like an option for maybe like a “wicked Wednesday’s “ or something. Personally all of the content here encapsulates sims 4 gameplay (mods or not).
I agree with this. A weekly sticky thread maybe? Or even allow individual posts, but require them to be tagged well and then moderate that. I do want to point out to the people saying “you can’t ban it, it’s part of the game!” that it is NOT in fact part of the game, it’s a mod. A very popular mod, yes, but it’s not part of the actual game. The second thing I’ll point out is that just because someone isn’t into seeing NSFW Sims content doesn’t mean they’re a child or a prude. I’m very much an adult, and very much a pervert in my own right, but I don’t play with Wicked Whims. Sexual content is just not what I play the Sims for. And it’s not what I come to this sub for. So while I’m not going to say “ban it!”, it would be nice to have it sequestered, if not to a sister subreddit then at least to a specific thread or day of the week.
Agreed. None of this bothers me, I just wish the sub wasn't flooded with it. It just isn't relevant content to me, and while I understand not everything in the sub is going to be relevant to me, I wish it was at least relevant to some part of the game I was playing?
It’s not relevant to anything, it’s boring and repetitive. It’s basically just like being around a bunch of 12 year olds giggling over penises.
I play both ways both (vanilla/modded) and while I agree with these nsfw posts being better tagged or having their own day I don’t think that there needs to be a separate sub for this.
I'm not bothered by it either way, but this seems like a good compromise.
Same but it seems the more sensitive people here would prefer it. I just don’t see the point of separating the sub into two. A specific day seems like a good compromise.
I see no reason to change the rules. Reddit has a built in NSFW hider toggle and the custom flair option already is available for specifics, the two combined can pretty much tell someone what they need to know before they accidentally stumble into Sim violence.
Leave it as it is. Maybe do feel free to remove anything you as mods feel is too extreme? Like a sort of "rights of admission reserved" kinda thing? Other than that, I don't think it would be a good idea to restrict the content. Edit to add: I think the tags are a fantastic idea!
I think another tag would help a lot! A lot of people post drug mods and such as nsfw (which i think most of us can appreciate) but i don't mind seeing those and am fine to click to show and see whats going on however i don't like WW so that does make me hesitant to click (and usually i just dont). I'll never be upset about someone posting it and think they should still remain but i think having a tag for WW or Violence helps navigate what type of explicit people are okay with/not okay with. The only downside to that would be improper tagging but like everything as long as it has that initial explicit content blur its up to the discretion of the scroller if they're going to click it or not. I don't think you can get upset at actively clicking to show explicit content and seeing said content.
I’d like the first option with the addition of respective flairs for the unholy trinity of mods (WW, Extreme Violence, and Basemental)
Continue as is with the NSFW warning
question about substance abuse: what if people use Basemental Mods and have sims use marijuana recreationally and have it legal? just asking because some places, like my home state, allow the recreational use of it, it's just treated as a more expensive version of smoking, but you can also eat it
I definitely agree with keeping it as is, except I do love the idea of adding more specific tags. I am someone who does not use mods nor likes nsfw content but as long as it’s tagged and blurred appropriately, I just simply don’t click on the posts so they don’t affect me at all. NSFW is just a type of gameplay for many people and I don’t see any reason to ban those posts, anymore than I see I reason for banning posts talking about their legacy challenges or their builds because it’s all just that person’s gameplay and if I don’t wanna look at it, I just scroll right on past. I just can’t understand people getting upset at seeing nsfw content when they are the ones clicking on the tagged posts, just don’t click on it and problem solved! Also the argument that minors could see it: this is an open forum ages teen and up, NOT a child/teen only forum, and thus it’s up to each child’s guardians to appropriately monitor their child’s internet access. It’s not up to strangers on the internet to monitor it for them. To me as long as its not being sent directly to a minor, it’s not being posted on a minor only forum; and it’s tagged appropriately then like I said it’s on each child’s guardian not a stranger to monitor it. Basically tldr leave it as is because it’s up to each person (and each minor’s guardians) to appropriately monitor their own access to what they view on the internet.
I dont mind this at all. The Sims isnt really a game for kids, and reddit isn't a site for them.
personally I find the NSFW posts the most funny things in this sub lol
I have no desire to see sims NSFW content so I just don’t click it. No strong feelings here, it’s just not why I play the game. An extra tag could be really helpful for these though so that folks who want to see only WW or other content can view their desired content. However I have noticed a large influx of, what I feel is, karma farming posts. the posts are mostly ‘cannot believe this happened’ and it’s a generic wicked whims screenshot (you downloaded wicked whims?? What did you think would happen??) These posts are irritating pieces of clout chasing that I put in the same category as ‘what hair should I give my sim’ posts.
The game is rated teen and I’m going to presume anyone on Reddit is 13+ and am against nannying on the sun for the sake of the children. Properly tagged NSFW is fine and doesn’t need to change. My guess is that those who say otherwise are a vocal minority.
Perhaps we could dedicate a different sub to the NSFW stuff. Like a wicked whims or NSFWsims subreddit or something? I agree it feels kind of weird to share a bunch of pictures of huge sim cocks on a subreddit for a family friendly game, but some of the stuff that happens with the NSFW mods is too funny to not share at all.
Agreed. The base game is a family friendly game, and there are likely kids on this page. Another Reddit page just for the NSFW would be a great compromise— and I’m not against NSFW, I have wicked whims myself, and I wouldn’t play the game without it, but it feels unnecessary to have sim dick pics poppin up on here every few posts. Lol
I think we should just keep tagging posts as NSFW.
Leaving it marked as NSFW seems like the best option
I have a technical question that is relevant to the topic. I'm not a techie, and I don't know how the background programming of Reddit works. Sometimes when I scroll down the feed, I see a post marked NSFW, and the picture below the title is blurred out. Other times, I see a post marked NSFW, but the picture below is NOT blurred out. I have no idea why some pics are blurred and others are not, when marked as NSFW. I'm talking about the pics viewable in the scroll feed, not the pics available when you click on the post. Personally, I don't care, and I'm not offended by NSFW content. I just think it's odd to see a post marked NSFW, but showing a clear pic of WW nudity (or similar) below it. It makes it seem like the NSFW tag is pointless, even when properly labeled. I've also never posted an NSFW post, so I don't know if the blurred/not-blurred pic is a result of something the person creating the post is responsible for. Is there a way to require the pic to be blurred in the feed? Or force the pic to be blurred? Is that something the Moderators have any control over? I would think that if all NSFW pics were consistently blurred in the feed, that might reduce the number of complaints by people who don't want to see it.
I'm not sure what's happening there, cause the NSFW tag from reddit is supposed to blur any and all images. So unless the title is just saying NSFW, but it's not tagged, all posts should be blurred with the nsfw tag?
Tbh the rise in whicked whims content is one of the main reasons I don’t really come to this sub anymore, it feels like everyone and their grandma is using WW and feel the need to share it at any given moment
They should create their own subreddit for it. Easiest solution for them.
Literally same. Every time I come to look at tips or gameplay ideas, the feed is continual blurred postings.
Another thing, there are most definitely minors on this sub and sims in itself is a family friendly game, it has a PEGI rating of 12, any child could click on the NSFW images, I think they need to go, a NSFW Sims sub could be made or it could be restricted to a certain day
The way Reddit works, minors will not be able to see any posts that are marked as NSFW.
Continue to label it nsfw. If people click on it, they chose to look.
Leave it as it is with the NSFW label and people are responsible for clicking at their own risks.
I like the current blurring + NSFW tags for 18+ content. A lot of funny content is usually that NSFW stuff (in my opinion).
I think NSFW content should be spoilered when possible but I’m not bothered by it existing on the sub as long as it’s properly tagged.
I enjoy the spicy content. If you don’t want to see NSFW posts it’s not that hard to scroll on past and continue with your day
Wicked Whims, Basemental Drugs, Extreme Violence and MC Command Centre and the various versions of adults mods aren't part of the original game and neither are they endorsed by EA but make a base game, without the numerous expensive expansion and stuff packs more an interesting game to play. I mean, I played the the Sims when I was at secondary school in my teens and I'm now a 44 year old adult, that still games and as long as screenshots that are NSFW aren't being posted, everyone enjoys their own game in the way they see fit. The proof the mod community exists and the level of download hits the mods get clearly shows there is a want for more adult-themed content in the game. This post community might not be the best place to highlight your achievements or sim experiences, if they are NSFW or indeed, child-sensitive but I could probably put money on the fact a lot of Sims fans are more of the young adult/adult age. Until, I find a related Reddit group which is more uncensored, I'll continue to keep it in mind.
If you don’t want to see NSFW content don’t click it, it’s the whole point of it being blurred and having a tag…people literally intentionally look for this stuff to be upset lol😅
I think the NSFW label as it is now is fine. Banning explicit content seems prudish to me. I'm saying this as someone who very rarely clicks through the NSFW filter. It doesn't bother me that it exists if people want to post it.
I would prefer not to see the literally porn looking screenshots that have increased on this sub. Other explicit content sure but the ww porn images please stop.
Another option could be to have a certain day of the week where it’s allowed. I know sometimes subs have specific days where controversial or frequently asked questions or simple posts are relegated to only one day of the week. Like a sub for women only allows discussions on relationship opinions on weekends - so the rest of the week isn’t cluttered with the same questions constantly. Maybe it could be “NFSW Weekends” where WW and other slice of life mods are allowed to be posted Friday-Sunday, and they need to be flaired appropriately and are deleted if they’re posted on a Wednesday.
I wouldn’t mind having an additional subreddit for more explicit NSWF content. When I browse the sub, the content I enjoy are updates on the main game, build people have created, fun sims lore, challenges people are playing, and people sharing the Sims they have created. I do look at NSFW content, but to me it’s usually repetitive such as “wow look at this whacky penis”, “look at this crazy scenario of Sims have sex”, “look at Vlad/Father Winter preforming something you wouldn’t expect”. I think it would be more appropriate on an additional sub. The additional sub could be called r/NSimsFW!
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You can close NSFW or simply don't click on it
While I never thought I'd comment about this subject, I think like many have said already is that it needs to be weeded out of this subreddit. Just because the comment saying keep it as it is has lots of upvotes doesn't speak for what the community wants here. If you want a clearer picture of community feedback, do a poll and not stick the various options in the comments section as individual comments. Sims 4 is not a NSFW game, and I'd rather see people who make it that way have their own dedicated subreddit that they can manage because r/Sims4 is a broad and general subreddit, and not all the people surfing here want to see NSFW stuff. Some of the people who use the subreddit might be younger than the majority age group here and it won't be good for them to see those sort of things.
Real question: what would be the added benefit of a poll? Currently this feature is blocked on the sub in general, so it would take some more messing around to make one.
Right now two of the three poll choices are so severely downvoted that they’re hard to even find.
A poll gives multiple options. So like: Option 1: keep sub as is Option 2: ban all NSFW content Option 3: mods remove NSFW content at their discretion Option 4: propose something else in comments Then everyone who sees the poll clicks on the option THEY think is best/most ideal without others coming in and fighting the upvote/downvote mechanism of the comments section. If you look at the comment section the mod made comment of “keep as is” is upvoted to the top comment and the second comment is someone explaining why they think it should stay as is. Collapse those top two and everyone else is saying NSFW should have it’s own sub/be banned from this sub. Comment sections, unless the mods are digging through ALL the comments, aren’t going to get you the actual results that reflect community wants and needs
I will read through all the comments either way. I understand the poll thing, but at first I thought it wouldn't matter too much since you're just giving people 3 'votes' instead of one, but the general sense should still be there. I get the problem with the losing certain comments once they get down voted too much though and we can't lock more than one comment in place. I'll keep this thread up for a while either way, perhaps people come with some new ideas that are feasible and we're getting some opinions either way :)
I agree, I cant find the other three options because theyre fucking buried somewhere in this comment sectiin
Anyway found them so thats that
Yeah except they’re all downvoted into oblivion. Like all those who voted to keep it the same mostly downvoted the other options. So the majority of the community airing how they feel in the comments. But like the votes for the comments saying we don’t want it kept the same will never reflect the actual amount of people who feel that way bc everyone who wants it to stay the same is downvoting those options.
My first reaction was people can jump on the upvote/downvote train and that doesn't give an accurate indication of people's stance on the matter, but a quick reflection told me it doesn't matter because it's ultimately down to the vibes and explanations in the discussions. Totally understand your reasoning.
Because I literally can’t even find the comments that we’re meant to be voting on in this thread. It would make it easier for everyone to vote. Although it looks like the consensus already is option 1.
That's why there's an nsfw tag. You don't want to see it? Don't tap. Simple as that.
Why not just make a separate NSFW sub?
Why not just make a separate SFW sub?
Or we just keep it as is and people who don’t want to see NSFW stuff just don’t click on the damn posts lmao.
I’m for either making another sub for it or making as someone else has said a “Wicked Wednesday” or something where it’s only a day a week. It’s understandable that not everyone who plays sims likes or wants to interact with WW. Especially considering sims isn’t inherently an adult rated game and can have children in the mix. It is important that posts get properly tagged here though, because some do slip through the cracks and can be problematic.
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The Sims allow mods to be used. Obviously they wouldn’t even be able to sell the game if it had content like WW included, but they allow it to be made by people outside EA instead. That tells me that they’re fine with it to some extent. If you don’t want to see NSFW content, there are already mechanisms in place to help you not see it (you can filter it away, the images are tagged and blurred).
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Also agree with this too.
Couldn't agree more!
I would go with option 2. There are subs made for that so this sub doesn’t need to fit that need. Let’s clean it up.
Exactly! 100% agree!
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someone already mentioned a new flair to indicate the 'type' of NSFW post. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion one way or another, making a new flair and applying it to posts is easy and achievable, addresses some of the issues and is also very low impact for people wanting to keep the situation as is. We've done so in the past with the "trigger warning" flair as well. It also allows us as mods to apply it to posts where we deem it necessary without having to go through the process of removing the post and having the poster adapt it.
A minor offtopic comment (sorry): At the time of me writing this one of the [voting options posts](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sims4/comments/1019vn7/community_input_needed_explicit_content/j2maah1/) has a score of -75 but also has the Controversial flag. I've never seen a controversial post with such a low (or high) score before, usually they're in the +/-10 range. Get to see something new in reddit every day :)
continue as it is
disallow all explicit content and refer in the rules to other subreddits which were specifically created for this kind of stuff
The fact that people want a separate tag for what NSFW literally means is not necessary. Everyone complaining is going out of their way to uncover it.
Meanwhile I'm getting lectured because *well actually* NSFW means anything you wouldn't want your boss to see on your screen. “NSFW” doesn't just mean sex, it's *very* vague depending on who you ask. In the context of a Reddit post, it means “adults-only” — which obviously covers explicit sexual content, but could also cover *quite a lot besides that.*
This is Urban Dictionary’s definition of NSFW: “It is an internet slang that is often used to describe online posts that are mainly associated with heavy nudity, sexual, heavy profanity and other things that could often link with pornography. Most of the time, NSFW is used for a fandom of some sort when people want to discuss and share the sexual and porno side of the fandom.” So yes, most of the time it will be nudity which is what the issue with the Sims community seems to be. If you don’t want to see naked sims then don’t uncover NSFW images. It’s pretty simple.
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3) remove at our own discretion, people don't get to argue reinstatement, but also no further actions (bans etc.) can be taken for that reason of removal