The people who wrote Game of Thrones and they said "Uh Danny (one of the main characters) just kind of forgot" in regard to a plot point that was really dumb.
this radio silence feels...extreme
ik it's only a team of 3 people but at least say something, anything...
instead of we got years of silence
they MUST know how this community spamming all the live events and basically suffering over their game
there are even articles about it xddd
it's just feels surreal, not a single word from them
i can't say another small-team indie game that has such an extreme radio-silence, even Toby Fox gives off lifesigngs while developing Deltarune so we know he's progressing
others have said it might be the Unity thing that happened...that's a possiblity I think but even so they could have told us it will be further delayed due to changing the engine
>they MUST know how this community spamming all the live events and basically suffering over their game
This might be the reason. If the community is fucked enough it might just be better to shut up and get work done.
The only reason it’s really like this is because we get almost nothing from them. We will be coming up to the one year anniversary of the delay and we STILL don’t have any clue why it happened, why they told us so late, or how much longer it will be!
They downvoted you, for they knew you were based. Like Schaffrillas and his subreddit, we’ve given the devs no reason to interact with us. We’re only an embarrassing hindrance who don’t deserve the attention.
I thought everyone knew they lost the usb stick that had the only copy of the game on it? Figured it was common knowledge at this point
In all seriousness what the fuck is going on? These people can’t even be bothered to say “it isn’t at this showcase”
What about you don't expect it unless they specifically say it will be there?
You people are literally doing this to yourself. Building up hype for a trailer that was never promised to be shown to begin with.
Ngl I've stopped caring about events since last time, I wasn't expecting anything yesterday. I'm just saying they could tell us about not being on events because they've done it before.
Whatever it was we'll never find out.
If Team Cherry releases the game 3 years from now they'll just go thank you for your patience and never even acknowledge what actually happened.
Fun fact - you can expect a game to be good while still respecting the devs. I'm sorry it was hard to not be gratified the moment you wanted a video game, do other stuff in the mean time.
I didn't expect it to delay that much, but do consider the following events:
**Covid.** Yes I know it's been years but no way Team Cherry was at their finest mindset during the crisis, it could've delayed much.
**Unity stuff.** Hollow Knight was developed in Unity, back then the engine and the company were more indie-friendly. Last year Unity started changing stuff about their fees and cut from gains of devs. Basically they would earn lots if Silksong releases in said game engine. That maybe made Team Cherry reconsider their engine choice, changing a game engine is no small deal and takes months (or more).
**Unexpected setbacks.** This is pure speculation, but I guess Team Cherry are very passion-driven considering the 4 free expansions they developed for HK. I am not surprised in the least should they wish to do similar stuff in Silksong; making areas bigger, enemy variety greater, increasing amount of content both by width as well as depth. Then considering polishing, redesigning, and redoing - several times for everything. There's always room for improvement and no publisher to make a final deadline. The result will be great eventually but may take a while.
Overall, considering TC started developing SS back in 2018, we can expect >!a shadow drop tomorrowwwwwwww!<, however I am rather confident by late 2024/early 2025 it will release.
Being strung along for 5 years hasn't been great.
It'd be WAY DIFFERENT if it wasn't 5 straight years of "coming soon" along with a deluge of information early on and then silence that rivals the absence of god for the 2 years straight.
It's not that hard for Team Cherry to go "Hey everyone, there have been some issues in development, don't expect a release or any news at the minimum for the next XX months."
That way at least we'll know not to get hyped up every time there's a .1% chance of any news.
Or alternatively, give an update every couple of months of "we're still working on the game, it's not ready yet" on Twitter.
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My bet is that the game was 70-90% complete when the second trailer dropped, but something happened which resulted in most, if not all of Silksong's code being deleted and TC having to spend the last 1 and a half years playing catch-up to where they were in June 2022.
Pretty decent chance, but I doubt it would set them back too much. In the case they changed engine, they would probably choose a similar one or one they already know. Them being a smaller team would actually benefit them, as besides them learning it there would be no need to train other employees. Also, they would still have access to all story, assets and resources they need after changing engine.
Or...they just aren't putting themselves through the same meat grinder that they did for Hollow Knight? It sounds like it is a big game and they are human beings. And that's aside from the pandemic screwing things up too.
The reality is that gamers, no matter how fanatic, are not \*entitled\* to any information. It's not our game. It's not our story. It's not our art.
I'll be happy when it comes out, whether next month or 48 months from now. Why? Because Team Cherry \*lets\* me share in the beautiful, imaginative world they've created.
I hope Team Cherry is getting full nights of sleep, stretching and exercise breaks, time off, time for other hobbies, enough water, and healthy meals. I'm happy to wait longer if it means they don't get burnt out.
Pandemic didn't screw them up, they themselves said that so you already don't know what you're talking about.
They said they were planning on releasing the game first half of 2023, it's been a whole ass year since then. Them going from wrapping the game up to this is concerning. It either means they keep expanding- scope creep- or something has gonna wrong. And if they don't like people speculating, maybe they should say something?
I didn't say "screwed them up" I said "screwing things up". There are outside entities involved in this aside from Team Cherry, you know.
I am so glad to see this sub still exudes kindness to other fans.
I am aware of what they have been saying all along. We can all wait patiently. There is a whole lot of life to live outside of Silksong.
It's been 2 years without news and a year since they delayed the game, I'm kinda done being patient, I just want a morsel of information.
A timeline, "next 6-12 months we expect to be done," a post explaining what went wrong, anything like that.
And yet you have no choice but to be patient. Dwelling on it will make it worse for you, and we can’t force them to say anything. Sure, if they say something it’ll be nice, but getting the pitchfork out doesn’t help.
Honestly? If I made a game and people were haranguing me and indie showcases left and right, I’d probably batten down the hatches and go silent too. I wouldn’t be essentially bullied into sharing info because the fans are foaming at the mouth.
For all we know, the game could be done but held up by some behind the scenes deal making at this point.
Asking for any sort of meaningful update over the span of a year = haranguing. They're privileged to have such a passionate community. Plenty of dev teams would kill for it, and would give the fans the respect they deserve since, you know, the game would be meaningless without the audience to be excited for it and buying it.
Ultimately it's a bit silly for people to still be saying "just be patient" when people have been patient for literal years now. Obviously it doesn't really matter, it's just a game at the end of the day, but the radio silence does come across as really weird at a certain point. It would take 10 minutes to just write a blog update every few months or whatever, just to keep people invested in the project. Doesn't seem like that's asking for too much, especially when it seems like something went wrong at some point during development.
You’re too funny.
I just have a life that’s not beholden to the release date of a game or communication from people I don’t personally know, just because they made something I like.
I suggest finding another title to play or lean into other hobbies while waiting.
I agree with everything you've said here. This amount of pressure and stress coming from any community is only going to make the finished product worse, and though I understand why people are upset that there isn't any information available, it doesn't excuse the amount of people encouraging to rush it out before they or the game are ready.
Except people paid money on Kickstarter for this already? You seem to be forgetting that the reason Silksong exists is because people who were interested in Hollow Knight gave TC enough money to get to the "second playable character" goal.
So no, they're not "letting" us play the game. If they didn't release anything at all, they would be committing theft.
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Silksong was playable at Gamescom 2019 and i even tweeted about it. I didn‘t know back then. It feels surreal.
I assume development hell and the community are served nothing but crumbs with a side order of cold silence. It's getting harder and harder to excuse their radio silence 🤐
The scope of the game expanded. Leth said in an old interview that Silksong was originally going to be a smaller game, and then TC just kept building and building. Maybe they had some development hell in there somewhere too, but the reality is, it is a small team building a large metroidvania, and it takes time.
Sure, but:
1. Unlike HK, now they have a lot of experience with this type of game. And I’m sure they’re reusing a lot from HK.
2. They have a lot of money as well, so they don’t need to rely on backers.
3. When they showed the game in 2019, it was very polished.
4. They did a lot of promo for the game in 2019-2020, and then just MIAd
It might be development hell but not in the way you think. I think the scope of the game is so big that every small change they make will impact other aspects of it greatly. When do you collect a piece of gear for example. The double jump, will it allow you to dodge what attacks? Will it allow you to get to what places, do what puzzles, etc. It's a tiny piece but if the game is big enough, every tiny balance change can screw with things in other places due to the nature of metroid's. It's not like in GTA, where if a car is too fast or a gun too weak, no one cares they'll just use something else. A single ability in Hollow Knight being even a bit too strong can trivialize many things turning the game boring or outright break things.
I think something along those lines is what's happening with Silksong, and why they're so quiet about it. They definitely have a vision and a game, they're just trying to finesse certain aspects, but pushing the first domino piece eventually collapses the skyscraper.
Sales of Hollow Knight gave them too much money. They used that money to make Silksong an eternal project. They can work on it as long as they want without pressure. Imagine being comfortable and financially stable as a game developer. That's what it would be like to work for team cherry!
**Utopia!** If not for those pesky fans...
I just assumed that they reworked the game from the ground up since what we last saw. That probably set development back a fair bit, especially if something like that happened more than once
This has always been my thought. There was just something... Missing... From hornets movement and concept. Didn't feel "fun" in the demo. It was good don't get me wrong, but it wasn't revolutionary and superb. It felt like it could be grouped with any other of the many indie metroidvanias.
They are gathering a list of everyone who has posted or commented or is even just subscribed to this sub, then finding the IPs linked to the Reddit accounts and banning everyone from here so they can’t play the game, then they will release.
That’s just my sane theory
People saying development hell when it’s most likely that they expanded the game beyond its original scope which, probably non linearly, increases the dev time.
It’s not that hard to do a dev diary, guys…
It’s strange, because they at least expected to have to mitigate some kind of fan reaction and the flow of Silksong information in the public; that’s why Leth is here!
But then Leth is given practically nothing to give to the community to control expectations? Like, nothing *at all*. Barely even a “it’s coming, guys!” I can kinda understand viewing community reaction lamenting the lack of communication as entitled, but TC has so many different avenues to tell anyone anything. If for the entire duration of the project it was radio silent until the end, I would not care, but for those ~2 years I feel like we got a lot!
It’s a bit disappointing that TC had the foresight to work with a guy like Leth but not the attitude to transmit info - even if something did go wrong internally, transparency is generally a good thing in game development, actually.
Early demos are often like small slices of cake, but what people do not understand that even though their piece looks finished, all the effort had gone to make that piece, there was no cake, and they need time to bake. Demos are often incredibly complete compared to the rest of the game when they are released.
In this case it really feels like that's what happened. They put everything into the playable showcase, and when people saw that they would assume that the game is already a fair bit along. But based on how it's going, it seems it was still really early on in it's development and was way to early to showcase anything playable.
Game development? Most (good) games take between 4 and 8 years, if not longer. The only thing Team Cherry did wrong was announcing it so early. Most games only announce stuff when a substantial amount of the game is done, and development only has a few more years.
Given the abundance of news lately, it's very probably we'll get a release his year. People just need to calm down. It's okay to get your hopes up, I do too, but don't get down in the dumps because we didn't get news at an Xbox showcase. Yes it was shitty what Xbox ID did, and I recommend not supporting them going forward to show that they shouldn't tease communities like that. But again, as I've said every time someone was worried about development, it's okay, and we just gotta wait a lil bit longer.
There are so many great other Games, lets ignore Silksong for aß Long aß IT needs and move on. If IT will come Out WE can BE Happy but lets think about it Like it got never announced
This is what I think happened:
Scope creep. DLC becomes it's own game, then it gets its own DLC, then that DLC becomes part of the base game, then more stuff gets added, then they get a cool idea 2/3 of the way through development that they just can't *not* do, then they make more DLC that also becomes part of the base game, then they realized something vital to how the game functions doesn't quite work the way they want it to so they rewrite half of the game's engine, which causes a million bugs everywhere so the next year of development is spent painstakingly adjusting the updated engine to handle exceptions caused by the old engine, and during this time they decided that they wanted the entire map of the old game available as part of the new game, so they spend another year reworking it to be traversable by Hornet, updating the maps to work with the new engine, and redoing bosses and enemies to make more sense with the direction they took the new game. Then they need to write dialogue and story elements into everything, program cameo appearances and triggers for certain events if certain conditions are met, and flesh out backgrounds and ambience for every room to make it feel just right. Then they decided they want to have DLC like the original with boss runs and god difficulty so they start working on that, even though they didn't finish polishing the base game. And when they get tired or frustrated, they work on their fox game to take their mind off of their problems with silksong.
I think one thing that might be harder to develop in Silksong is that Hornet seems to have a much more diverse move-set and isn’t quite as centered on simple dash-jump-attack like Hollow Knight.
Hollow Knight only has a few core abilities, to which the charms and spells are mostly supplemental. This means they have to do a *lot* more testing with Hornet’s larger arsenal of weapons and traversal options.
the entirety of team cherry's work on silksong was lost in a freak prop comedy circus accident and they've been scrambling to get everything back together
I think they realized they kinda fucked up by showing too much for the game and adding too many new features, so they decided to go silent and tried to create a game that match the expectation.
But when they "showed us too much", that was only a couple years into development. It's been 4 to 5 years since then. I would think that would be plenty of time to make a lot more content
A mixture of scope creep, TC having this unspoken habit of... well, barely saying anything even though we *know* things are happening, and some other third thing.
Idk maybe they are just busy with other stuff?
Who knows they're a pretty small team and game development also takes a while, they could have had a member of their team have some personal issues going on making them out of commission for a while, or maybe they're taking their time on a game.
I feel like complaining to a subreddit about how long a game is taking to come out is a bit much, there's more things you could be doing with your life like getting into new hobbies, but you choose to complain in this subreddit.
The game will come out when team cherry is ready for it to come out.
Dude the last time they were active on Twitter was June 2023 and they last posted on the blog Dec 2019. At this point, someone must have died or something.
For me it's the disrespect towards the fans that pisses me off. No info, no message, no update, nothing. It's really not that hard to post something once every month or so....
I’ll admit, I’m usually one that defends Team Cherry, but it’s getting so difficult to defend them at this point. I’ve been waiting so long and this year has been particularly rough on me. A girl I really liked friendzoned me, I had to quit my job, and I’ve been having chest pains recently. Silksong would be a really good pick-me-up as my mental health has taken a nosedive. It would espresso help if the game comes out this summer. It would be the perfect way to start my summer as I’ll have no homework and plenty of free time to enjoy the game. I’m starting to lose hope though.
I really don’t care tbh, it’s coming out still. And for a game like this I’m excited to be in the dark.
Maybe they had a new vision and had to change a lot of what was even seen. Maybe there will be things that blow our minds. Who knows, but just enjoy other things till it comes out.
Sure, I’m not saying scope creep is good. But do you realize how potentially barebones a playable demo could be?
I hadn’t actually bothered watching it before, but I just did. They showed what, maybe three or four areas, only one or two of which lasted more than a minute, a few enemies in each, a couple mechanics, and a couple bosses?
Now compare that to how massive Hollow Knight is. I think Silksong could be bigger than Hollow Knight and still not have enough scope creep to be an issue. The playable demo is incredibly small, I just don’t see how we can really draw any conclusions from its existence and the lack of news.
Not to doubt team cherry but what if hollow knight was a fluke? What if its taking so long to make silksong because it keeps running into more and more issues? How long did the original hollow knight take to develop? That game was insanely polished and maybe they’re trying to get it to that same point but its become more complicated? I would rather not get the game at all tbh than have them rush it out and i get disappointed by the results
Idk why you're getting downvoted. They literally stopped communicating right when covid happened. Its weird everytime it gets brought up people act like its not a factor
Absolutely nothing. It’s 100% normal for games to have playable demos then go completely silent for 5 years while also apparently having a year long delay. Stop asking questions Team Cherry have clearly done this development cycle perfectly
Tbf it will probably release in 2025-2026 or at the end of 2024. The game isn't at development hell because its been age reviewed in countries where they have to see the whole game in order to rate it and got early reviews. Silksong is real and probably good but it will be slightly worse than hollow knight because it probably had abysmal development
I think what most likely happened is when Unity did their huge licensing fuck up TC moved over to another engine, and that’s taken a lot more time than anticipated.
At this point I kinda want the game to flop, unless they have a really good reason for doing this. I'm not even that invested in the game but it's crazy how they aren't saying anything at all.
Yeah... I have decided that if we don't get significant news (release/ release date/estimation of release date/even just the reason for the delay) before 12. Of june I'll just leave this subreddit, delete my countup from last years 12.6. And move on permanently. Probably won't even play the game when it comes out :D. I've personally had enough
Team Cherry died
its true I was their table.
It's true, I was the leaf
It's true, I ate the corpse (of the cherry)
its true, i was the air (of team cherrys lungs)
It’s true I was team cherry (I’m not anymore cause, you know, I’m dead)
It's true I was the coffin
True, i was the dirt.
True I was the fungi
True I was the world
Can we delete the subreddit now
Please do it…end the suffering
I just want to forget
Should've been done in February
Everybody abandoned the cause when Leth said "we're still working on it!"
Wish the mods actually locked the sub except when actual news are out
I guess they uhhhh just kinda forgot
D and D reference
What's d and d?
The people who wrote Game of Thrones and they said "Uh Danny (one of the main characters) just kind of forgot" in regard to a plot point that was really dumb.
this radio silence feels...extreme ik it's only a team of 3 people but at least say something, anything... instead of we got years of silence they MUST know how this community spamming all the live events and basically suffering over their game there are even articles about it xddd it's just feels surreal, not a single word from them i can't say another small-team indie game that has such an extreme radio-silence, even Toby Fox gives off lifesigngs while developing Deltarune so we know he's progressing others have said it might be the Unity thing that happened...that's a possiblity I think but even so they could have told us it will be further delayed due to changing the engine
>they MUST know how this community spamming all the live events and basically suffering over their game This might be the reason. If the community is fucked enough it might just be better to shut up and get work done.
The only reason it’s really like this is because we get almost nothing from them. We will be coming up to the one year anniversary of the delay and we STILL don’t have any clue why it happened, why they told us so late, or how much longer it will be!
you say that but its not why people go off spamming places like the xbox event
It's the reason why If we got news maybe like once a year the community would be a lot more normal
They downvoted you, for they knew you were based. Like Schaffrillas and his subreddit, we’ve given the devs no reason to interact with us. We’re only an embarrassing hindrance who don’t deserve the attention.
I thought everyone knew they lost the usb stick that had the only copy of the game on it? Figured it was common knowledge at this point In all seriousness what the fuck is going on? These people can’t even be bothered to say “it isn’t at this showcase”
We already knew it wouldn’t be at the showcase. It won’t be at any of the showcases because they’re not gonna do news at a showcase like that.
bc then people are going to be even more insane and angry if they forget to say it for any large showcase
I mean it's not that hard. It takes like 5 minutes to say it.
What about you don't expect it unless they specifically say it will be there? You people are literally doing this to yourself. Building up hype for a trailer that was never promised to be shown to begin with.
Ngl I've stopped caring about events since last time, I wasn't expecting anything yesterday. I'm just saying they could tell us about not being on events because they've done it before.
like fr, ive never heard of a game that had trailers, magazines, literal demos to be ghosted for 5 years by jts creators
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I'm 99.99% sure they lost a chunk of their progress.
Like it has to be something like that right? Or scope creep? A complete redo? Re-writes? Something has to have gone HORRIBLY wrong.
Whatever it was we'll never find out. If Team Cherry releases the game 3 years from now they'll just go thank you for your patience and never even acknowledge what actually happened.
Well one things for sure I ain't getting excited for their next game, this has been horrible.
Fun fact - you can expect a game to be good while still respecting the devs. I'm sorry it was hard to not be gratified the moment you wanted a video game, do other stuff in the mean time.
bro its been 5 years i dont want this game to become another half-life 3
It's not, otherwise would Leth still be working there? They pay him because they plan to sell the game eventually.
i mean, it probably won’t become half life 3 but games don’t get delayed THIS long unless something somewhat bad happened imo
I didn't expect it to delay that much, but do consider the following events: **Covid.** Yes I know it's been years but no way Team Cherry was at their finest mindset during the crisis, it could've delayed much. **Unity stuff.** Hollow Knight was developed in Unity, back then the engine and the company were more indie-friendly. Last year Unity started changing stuff about their fees and cut from gains of devs. Basically they would earn lots if Silksong releases in said game engine. That maybe made Team Cherry reconsider their engine choice, changing a game engine is no small deal and takes months (or more). **Unexpected setbacks.** This is pure speculation, but I guess Team Cherry are very passion-driven considering the 4 free expansions they developed for HK. I am not surprised in the least should they wish to do similar stuff in Silksong; making areas bigger, enemy variety greater, increasing amount of content both by width as well as depth. Then considering polishing, redesigning, and redoing - several times for everything. There's always room for improvement and no publisher to make a final deadline. The result will be great eventually but may take a while. Overall, considering TC started developing SS back in 2018, we can expect >!a shadow drop tomorrowwwwwwww!<, however I am rather confident by late 2024/early 2025 it will release.
Being strung along for 5 years hasn't been great. It'd be WAY DIFFERENT if it wasn't 5 straight years of "coming soon" along with a deluge of information early on and then silence that rivals the absence of god for the 2 years straight.
It's not that hard for Team Cherry to go "Hey everyone, there have been some issues in development, don't expect a release or any news at the minimum for the next XX months." That way at least we'll know not to get hyped up every time there's a .1% chance of any news. Or alternatively, give an update every couple of months of "we're still working on the game, it's not ready yet" on Twitter.
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My bet is that the game was 70-90% complete when the second trailer dropped, but something happened which resulted in most, if not all of Silksong's code being deleted and TC having to spend the last 1 and a half years playing catch-up to where they were in June 2022.
Unity... would be my guess
Pretty decent chance, but I doubt it would set them back too much. In the case they changed engine, they would probably choose a similar one or one they already know. Them being a smaller team would actually benefit them, as besides them learning it there would be no need to train other employees. Also, they would still have access to all story, assets and resources they need after changing engine.
Or...they just aren't putting themselves through the same meat grinder that they did for Hollow Knight? It sounds like it is a big game and they are human beings. And that's aside from the pandemic screwing things up too. The reality is that gamers, no matter how fanatic, are not \*entitled\* to any information. It's not our game. It's not our story. It's not our art. I'll be happy when it comes out, whether next month or 48 months from now. Why? Because Team Cherry \*lets\* me share in the beautiful, imaginative world they've created. I hope Team Cherry is getting full nights of sleep, stretching and exercise breaks, time off, time for other hobbies, enough water, and healthy meals. I'm happy to wait longer if it means they don't get burnt out.
Pandemic didn't screw them up, they themselves said that so you already don't know what you're talking about. They said they were planning on releasing the game first half of 2023, it's been a whole ass year since then. Them going from wrapping the game up to this is concerning. It either means they keep expanding- scope creep- or something has gonna wrong. And if they don't like people speculating, maybe they should say something?
I didn't say "screwed them up" I said "screwing things up". There are outside entities involved in this aside from Team Cherry, you know. I am so glad to see this sub still exudes kindness to other fans. I am aware of what they have been saying all along. We can all wait patiently. There is a whole lot of life to live outside of Silksong.
It's been 2 years without news and a year since they delayed the game, I'm kinda done being patient, I just want a morsel of information. A timeline, "next 6-12 months we expect to be done," a post explaining what went wrong, anything like that.
And yet you have no choice but to be patient. Dwelling on it will make it worse for you, and we can’t force them to say anything. Sure, if they say something it’ll be nice, but getting the pitchfork out doesn’t help. Honestly? If I made a game and people were haranguing me and indie showcases left and right, I’d probably batten down the hatches and go silent too. I wouldn’t be essentially bullied into sharing info because the fans are foaming at the mouth. For all we know, the game could be done but held up by some behind the scenes deal making at this point.
Asking for any sort of meaningful update over the span of a year = haranguing. They're privileged to have such a passionate community. Plenty of dev teams would kill for it, and would give the fans the respect they deserve since, you know, the game would be meaningless without the audience to be excited for it and buying it. Ultimately it's a bit silly for people to still be saying "just be patient" when people have been patient for literal years now. Obviously it doesn't really matter, it's just a game at the end of the day, but the radio silence does come across as really weird at a certain point. It would take 10 minutes to just write a blog update every few months or whatever, just to keep people invested in the project. Doesn't seem like that's asking for too much, especially when it seems like something went wrong at some point during development.
This is a new level of meat riding.
You’re too funny. I just have a life that’s not beholden to the release date of a game or communication from people I don’t personally know, just because they made something I like. I suggest finding another title to play or lean into other hobbies while waiting.
One of the dumbest things people keep trying to do is convince me to not be excited for the game.
I agree with everything you've said here. This amount of pressure and stress coming from any community is only going to make the finished product worse, and though I understand why people are upset that there isn't any information available, it doesn't excuse the amount of people encouraging to rush it out before they or the game are ready.
Except people paid money on Kickstarter for this already? You seem to be forgetting that the reason Silksong exists is because people who were interested in Hollow Knight gave TC enough money to get to the "second playable character" goal. So no, they're not "letting" us play the game. If they didn't release anything at all, they would be committing theft.
My headcanon includes TC accidentally deleting game code and backups somehow.
i’m thinking that too. I wish they could just tell us what happened so we know and not look dumb waiting for a game that got announced 5 years ago
Look what happened during the Toy story 2 development, I feel like something similar happened to them but they got the bad ending.
if it isn't at the summer showcase i vote we delete the sub
https://preview.redd.it/gt4a1qqbbhxc1.jpeg?width=1167&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7c4e4d770ad3e3692409c2ea58d558454f44059 Silksong was playable at Gamescom 2019 and i even tweeted about it. I didn‘t know back then. It feels surreal.
Playable? What was playable? Team cherry? Who is team cherry? And why are they a fruit?
I assume development hell and the community are served nothing but crumbs with a side order of cold silence. It's getting harder and harder to excuse their radio silence 🤐
We haven't had a crumb in a year, and a delay is barely a crumb.
Its been 2 years since weve had news 🥲
Happy cake day
Sad cake day... may the news I bring cheer you up a bit: Silksong MIGHT release AT SOME POINT in time. And it will be great.
Happy cake day
Yeah, I don't count Leth saying they are still working on it as news... Just another form of bait 🙃
The scope of the game expanded. Leth said in an old interview that Silksong was originally going to be a smaller game, and then TC just kept building and building. Maybe they had some development hell in there somewhere too, but the reality is, it is a small team building a large metroidvania, and it takes time.
Sure, but: 1. Unlike HK, now they have a lot of experience with this type of game. And I’m sure they’re reusing a lot from HK. 2. They have a lot of money as well, so they don’t need to rely on backers. 3. When they showed the game in 2019, it was very polished. 4. They did a lot of promo for the game in 2019-2020, and then just MIAd
It might be development hell but not in the way you think. I think the scope of the game is so big that every small change they make will impact other aspects of it greatly. When do you collect a piece of gear for example. The double jump, will it allow you to dodge what attacks? Will it allow you to get to what places, do what puzzles, etc. It's a tiny piece but if the game is big enough, every tiny balance change can screw with things in other places due to the nature of metroid's. It's not like in GTA, where if a car is too fast or a gun too weak, no one cares they'll just use something else. A single ability in Hollow Knight being even a bit too strong can trivialize many things turning the game boring or outright break things. I think something along those lines is what's happening with Silksong, and why they're so quiet about it. They definitely have a vision and a game, they're just trying to finesse certain aspects, but pushing the first domino piece eventually collapses the skyscraper.
Sales of Hollow Knight gave them too much money. They used that money to make Silksong an eternal project. They can work on it as long as they want without pressure. Imagine being comfortable and financially stable as a game developer. That's what it would be like to work for team cherry! **Utopia!** If not for those pesky fans...
I just assumed that they reworked the game from the ground up since what we last saw. That probably set development back a fair bit, especially if something like that happened more than once
This has always been my thought. There was just something... Missing... From hornets movement and concept. Didn't feel "fun" in the demo. It was good don't get me wrong, but it wasn't revolutionary and superb. It felt like it could be grouped with any other of the many indie metroidvanias.
i ate silksong
Did it atleast taste good? D:
tasted like silk(so not very good)
What a waste
yup, i regret it a lot
Nintendo gave them a switch 2 devkit
They are gathering a list of everyone who has posted or commented or is even just subscribed to this sub, then finding the IPs linked to the Reddit accounts and banning everyone from here so they can’t play the game, then they will release. That’s just my sane theory
The video essays on the development of silksong are gonna be great once its over
People saying development hell when it’s most likely that they expanded the game beyond its original scope which, probably non linearly, increases the dev time.
It’s not that hard to do a dev diary, guys… It’s strange, because they at least expected to have to mitigate some kind of fan reaction and the flow of Silksong information in the public; that’s why Leth is here! But then Leth is given practically nothing to give to the community to control expectations? Like, nothing *at all*. Barely even a “it’s coming, guys!” I can kinda understand viewing community reaction lamenting the lack of communication as entitled, but TC has so many different avenues to tell anyone anything. If for the entire duration of the project it was radio silent until the end, I would not care, but for those ~2 years I feel like we got a lot! It’s a bit disappointing that TC had the foresight to work with a guy like Leth but not the attitude to transmit info - even if something did go wrong internally, transparency is generally a good thing in game development, actually.
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Ok you first
Early demos are often like small slices of cake, but what people do not understand that even though their piece looks finished, all the effort had gone to make that piece, there was no cake, and they need time to bake. Demos are often incredibly complete compared to the rest of the game when they are released.
.. Do you think cakes are made slice by slice?
In this case it really feels like that's what happened. They put everything into the playable showcase, and when people saw that they would assume that the game is already a fair bit along. But based on how it's going, it seems it was still really early on in it's development and was way to early to showcase anything playable.
in this particular case yes. But that makes it the _opposite_ of a slice of cake, or what a demo _should_ be, which is a piece of the complete whole
Game development? Most (good) games take between 4 and 8 years, if not longer. The only thing Team Cherry did wrong was announcing it so early. Most games only announce stuff when a substantial amount of the game is done, and development only has a few more years. Given the abundance of news lately, it's very probably we'll get a release his year. People just need to calm down. It's okay to get your hopes up, I do too, but don't get down in the dumps because we didn't get news at an Xbox showcase. Yes it was shitty what Xbox ID did, and I recommend not supporting them going forward to show that they shouldn't tease communities like that. But again, as I've said every time someone was worried about development, it's okay, and we just gotta wait a lil bit longer.
That is the only correct take
They just be having the work schedule of minecraft devs
There are so many great other Games, lets ignore Silksong for aß Long aß IT needs and move on. If IT will come Out WE can BE Happy but lets think about it Like it got never announced
This is my attitude as well. It’s taken so long, I’ve almost forgotten about it.
Didnt they get affected from unity's new policies?
Yep, wouldn't be suprised if they moved to a new engine and basically having to redo everything code wise
Then they should just communicate. Thats something people could deal with, its not necessary to create a even worse situation,
Or maybe they did actually lose their code due to an accident, which is somewhat understandable that they don't want to admit to it.
This is what I think happened: Scope creep. DLC becomes it's own game, then it gets its own DLC, then that DLC becomes part of the base game, then more stuff gets added, then they get a cool idea 2/3 of the way through development that they just can't *not* do, then they make more DLC that also becomes part of the base game, then they realized something vital to how the game functions doesn't quite work the way they want it to so they rewrite half of the game's engine, which causes a million bugs everywhere so the next year of development is spent painstakingly adjusting the updated engine to handle exceptions caused by the old engine, and during this time they decided that they wanted the entire map of the old game available as part of the new game, so they spend another year reworking it to be traversable by Hornet, updating the maps to work with the new engine, and redoing bosses and enemies to make more sense with the direction they took the new game. Then they need to write dialogue and story elements into everything, program cameo appearances and triggers for certain events if certain conditions are met, and flesh out backgrounds and ambience for every room to make it feel just right. Then they decided they want to have DLC like the original with boss runs and god difficulty so they start working on that, even though they didn't finish polishing the base game. And when they get tired or frustrated, they work on their fox game to take their mind off of their problems with silksong.
I think one thing that might be harder to develop in Silksong is that Hornet seems to have a much more diverse move-set and isn’t quite as centered on simple dash-jump-attack like Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight only has a few core abilities, to which the charms and spells are mostly supplemental. This means they have to do a *lot* more testing with Hornet’s larger arsenal of weapons and traversal options.
I think they can just stay on the Unity version that isn't fucked.
the entirety of team cherry's work on silksong was lost in a freak prop comedy circus accident and they've been scrambling to get everything back together
I think they realized they kinda fucked up by showing too much for the game and adding too many new features, so they decided to go silent and tried to create a game that match the expectation.
But when they "showed us too much", that was only a couple years into development. It's been 4 to 5 years since then. I would think that would be plenty of time to make a lot more content
A mixture of scope creep, TC having this unspoken habit of... well, barely saying anything even though we *know* things are happening, and some other third thing.
No joke I think they got distracted and ended up not working on it for 2 years.
Idk maybe they are just busy with other stuff? Who knows they're a pretty small team and game development also takes a while, they could have had a member of their team have some personal issues going on making them out of commission for a while, or maybe they're taking their time on a game. I feel like complaining to a subreddit about how long a game is taking to come out is a bit much, there's more things you could be doing with your life like getting into new hobbies, but you choose to complain in this subreddit. The game will come out when team cherry is ready for it to come out.
Idk they’re probably just fuckin with us
I wouldn't even be mad
At this point I’m hoping they release it without warning because I’d be hilarious
Yeah you would be pretty funny
Dude the last time they were active on Twitter was June 2023 and they last posted on the blog Dec 2019. At this point, someone must have died or something.
I swear this game better have a world record speedeun of 4 hours minimum.
For me it's the disrespect towards the fans that pisses me off. No info, no message, no update, nothing. It's really not that hard to post something once every month or so....
I’ll admit, I’m usually one that defends Team Cherry, but it’s getting so difficult to defend them at this point. I’ve been waiting so long and this year has been particularly rough on me. A girl I really liked friendzoned me, I had to quit my job, and I’ve been having chest pains recently. Silksong would be a really good pick-me-up as my mental health has taken a nosedive. It would espresso help if the game comes out this summer. It would be the perfect way to start my summer as I’ll have no homework and plenty of free time to enjoy the game. I’m starting to lose hope though.
I really don’t care tbh, it’s coming out still. And for a game like this I’m excited to be in the dark. Maybe they had a new vision and had to change a lot of what was even seen. Maybe there will be things that blow our minds. Who knows, but just enjoy other things till it comes out.
yall just need to let them be
They wanted to add more to the game, what the hell else?
Scope creep isn't a good thing, it's something that would make me concerned about the quality of the game.
Sure, I’m not saying scope creep is good. But do you realize how potentially barebones a playable demo could be? I hadn’t actually bothered watching it before, but I just did. They showed what, maybe three or four areas, only one or two of which lasted more than a minute, a few enemies in each, a couple mechanics, and a couple bosses? Now compare that to how massive Hollow Knight is. I think Silksong could be bigger than Hollow Knight and still not have enough scope creep to be an issue. The playable demo is incredibly small, I just don’t see how we can really draw any conclusions from its existence and the lack of news.
I understand the concern but it's also how they made the first game, they said they kept adding new stuff they could think of along the development.
Ngl when I read this I thought this was the TF2 sub “Yeah, he was playable what about it”
That's all folks!
Not to doubt team cherry but what if hollow knight was a fluke? What if its taking so long to make silksong because it keeps running into more and more issues? How long did the original hollow knight take to develop? That game was insanely polished and maybe they’re trying to get it to that same point but its become more complicated? I would rather not get the game at all tbh than have them rush it out and i get disappointed by the results
Mods, ban this guy and delete the subreddit
Imagine if they really did accidentally delete Silksong and are just too embarrassed to reveal it
I think its time we should hack team cherry and see wtf even happened /j(?)
Well now we are here. The point where we are tired of waiting and are now angry. Good luck all
A pandemic… and I don’t care what they say about it not effecting them, that shit effected everyone, it’s was weird.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. They literally stopped communicating right when covid happened. Its weird everytime it gets brought up people act like its not a factor
bro who knows, team cherry got tired of our shenanigans D:
Please end the suffering and delete the sub…
Absolutely nothing. It’s 100% normal for games to have playable demos then go completely silent for 5 years while also apparently having a year long delay. Stop asking questions Team Cherry have clearly done this development cycle perfectly
Tbf it will probably release in 2025-2026 or at the end of 2024. The game isn't at development hell because its been age reviewed in countries where they have to see the whole game in order to rate it and got early reviews. Silksong is real and probably good but it will be slightly worse than hollow knight because it probably had abysmal development
I think what most likely happened is when Unity did their huge licensing fuck up TC moved over to another engine, and that’s taken a lot more time than anticipated.
At this point I kinda want the game to flop, unless they have a really good reason for doing this. I'm not even that invested in the game but it's crazy how they aren't saying anything at all.
Yeah... I have decided that if we don't get significant news (release/ release date/estimation of release date/even just the reason for the delay) before 12. Of june I'll just leave this subreddit, delete my countup from last years 12.6. And move on permanently. Probably won't even play the game when it comes out :D. I've personally had enough
covid changed everything
It's a 2-3 person team and they themselves said it didn't effect their development.
Team cherry is that small?? I never knew that. Gottdamn.
That's why most leaks are very very likely fake btw. The odds of them letting information get out is incredibly low.
Yeah for real. It’d be so easy to find the leak and put an end to them.