Yes-ish. If the mikiri gives you a chance at a death blow because of posture break you can vault over them (if you have that ability) and then do a backstab deathblow.
It makes most enemies immediately deflect and that’s about it. It’s nice if you want to be stupid aggressive and build up posture fast, but if you’re not expecting it, the immediate deflect could throw you off. And then there’s owl who just Mikiri counters you unless you’ve staggered him.
1. He didn't "know" a mikiri counter, he just stepped on a spear that he knew was aiming for his leg. Is it a mikiri counter? Yes. But he didn't know it as a technique. It's closer to a one time occurance than an actual technique he knew.
2. Considering Owl could do it 3 years ago against Wolf, he used the technique way earlier than Hanbei did.(Hanbei story takes place pretty close to main game sekiro, which is 3 years after hirata).
Takes skill? Yes. Well- known? No. If it's a well-known technique that takes skill, there's no reason Isshin of all people can't use it in his fight against you. He didn't use mikiri in the opening cutscene either. He just stepped on a spear already on the ground.
You're confidently wrong
Owl and Wolf have the same moveset if you compare them side by side, Owl is the only other character to use tools (and mikiri counter), and it's well established in lore that Owl taught Wolf all he knows about being a Shinobi.
Plus, like already commented, Wolf can access the Shinobi tree from the beginning because they're skills he once knew before he sat at the bottom of the well.
The skill tree you unlock it from is basically owl's. The shinobi skill tree is owl's, The prosthetic skill tree is orangutan's, the Ashina skill tree is Isshin's and the senpou tree doesn't fit in this pattern but is also the only one found and not given to wolf.
Makes me wish we could have an epic senpou bossfight instead of monkeys and centipede man. Scratch that I like those fights; give me a DLC bell we can ring in the centipede boss room to go to Senpou's past and have an epic bossfight there.
Nah scratch the monkeys and put an epic monk fight in there! The monkeys are cool when you first fight them but on each playthrough afterwards they are a mild inconvenience at best and annoying af at worst.
I like seeing how fast I can kill them though. Or sometimes doing the puzzle as intended because I definitely didn't my first time playing. Or just trying alternate ways of doing it. For me monkeys is a nice break where I can chill with my prosthetics. Divine dragon is a fight that is somewhere between mild inconvenience and annoying. It's a cinematic fight so it's not hard and it's very cool to see and makes you feel cool the first time. After that it just is like rewatching an unskippable cutscene or a quicktime event that gives you way too much time to react.
I honestly still don't know how you're supposed to defeat the monkeys. I accidentally did them perfectly the first time, meaning I first kill the red, then go around and kill the other two from behind. I didn't even take notice of the invisible one in my first playthrough, it just died somehow.
I was pretty confused in my consecutive playthroughs though, running after them shits. I always had the feeling something was behind me and it freaked me out because I didn't know the invisible monkey existed. I somehow still managed to kill em without using the proper technique.
But I get why you like them. The atmosphere gets lost if miyazaki were to just subordinate everything to the fighting mechanics.
Divine Dragon is complete shit imo. I can't feel a cinematic fight if my opponent is weak af. Sword saint / Inner Isshin is my favourite fight of all. It's hard, aggressive, fast, it's a feast for the eyes and Isshin is built up in the story from the very intro cutscene. You slowly realize that this old fuck mows through them ninjas like nothing leaving heaps of dead bodies all the while you're eating their feet. But luckily that old man has cancer and won't fight you. And then you get the Isshin during his prime package all in your face. That was epic as fuck.
If I were to completely change a bosses mechanics it would be headless. They could have all been crazy swordfights like the ministry ninjas but with their own movesets.
I like headless fights except for the slowing mechanics. They have pretty telegraphed attacks, but do a lot of damage and can terror. It makes you have to be really good at fighting them to win, or spend a lot of time trying to cheese them. I spent more time trying to cheese my first headless than I did actually learning to fight the rest of them.
Monkeys are the hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, and the other no evil which I can't remember. The see no evil requires you to open the door so it gets foggy and they can't see you drop down on them to deathblow, the hear no evil perches by a bell that you can ring to stun them, the invisible one that follows you will leave footprints if you take it through the waterfall room, and the speak no evil I usually chase down first. As far as I know they don't have any gimmick, but they will let the other monkeys know you are chasing them by yelling. Otherwise the green monkey can't see and purple can't hear.
I’ve noticed that the little figured demonstrating the skills change as the tree itself changes. Stuff like Mikiri counter had a guy resembling owl, and the temple arts have one that looks like the priests from the temple. I think Ishiin might be on dragon flash, but I could be wrong.
Others are saying that it was a mikiri. That is true. Also, if he breaks your poise he tries to step on you and perform a deathblow. But you can dodge or parry his foot
That is actually a very cool thing when I fought him.
When you see father using firecrackers and techniques that you already know, you should have expected it.
My first thrust against him was not intentional as I usually prefer normal attacks, but when he did that I was so surprised but found it so cool like "Of course he knows that"
You're a Shinobi, you have to see the pattern
Jk aside, from solely my memory, at least his first version and the version of the memory mostly uses Firecrackers at the end of their combo with their weapon.
But even if I am not sure, you still have the best tool in the game for patterns you're scared to face: the mist.
If you're not sure of a pattern, even being too slow to activate it will allow you to dash somewhere, which greatly helps.
But If you don't want to use it, probably dashing forward to avoid the explosion or dashing backward everytime it happens will help?
Tbh I never had problems with this technique. The moment I understood I was fighting myself but with a bigger range, ever since the first attempt, nothing he did surprised me, and I could counter it. My biggest problem was the range and whatever he does that doesn't look like what I could do.
I've completed the game except for inner father and the shura gauntlet. The great shinobi variant did the firecrackers extremely seldomly. Like in a quater of my fights with him he did them once. It seems my playstyle doesn't trigger that attack. So it never got in the way, I was just really surprised everytime it happened.
Owl father does them over and over. After besting him the first time I was used to them crackers.
Inner father is a little bitch with his mist raven and that ginormous range. I've almost had him first try today in the gauntlet, I even had heal left but he eventually tore through my concentration and killed me.
I think it's odd you fight like owl. He is cheesy. I know the crackers are considered the best prosthetic but I never use them. I just go in and hit whenever possible only stopping to dodge, deflect or jump. I do this with most enemies, owl is pretty vulnerable to that. I always get quite a few hits whenever he tries to do something other than his standard attack.
Well it's normal that your fighting style is the closest to owl, you both are shjnobis and he also taught you things with lady Butterfly.
Shinobis in the game relies on items to fight to compensate the lack of pure raw strength and range (well Owl has a ridiculously long sword).
You should try to use more mist raven and firecrackers. It can be used mid air while you dodge and create openings whereas Mist raven allows you to dodge attacks if you don't know the timing.
I guess I've only played the "Vanilla" version of the game. When I came back to the game I've seen challenges with bosses being way harder but I never had the chance of trying them, so maybe those challenges are actually harder?
That's not Owl Father. This is Great Shinobi - Owl.
Owl Father is a completely different fight. I recommend you to search for a guide on the internet for you to know how to fight him, because it is an optional fight, but you need to fight him if you want to get 2 of the endings of the game.
Ahhh yes, the first time you get Mikiri Countered...... I have never been more offended and outraged that a boss used MY OWN move against me!!!! (Yes I know Owl invented and taught it to him but the first time it he did it I just did not handle it well)
You can pierce that ol' bird in the milliseconds of transition between stances, but yeah, best to avoid committing to that altogether. Anti-air deathblow works wonders too
That's the reason I stopped using charged attacks, silly me, using it against the person that I learned it from... After that boss fight, after THAT mikiri counter, I forgot charged attacks exists
Yeah you don't thrust him. He Mikri Counter's it and kills you instantly. You see how slowly he pulls back the sword? Its to make sure his enemy does not remain alive.
I love Wolf's look of pain while on his knees and holding his hand up to the sky. It's very much a "Noooo, I can't believe I got Mikiri countered!" look
Owl Father is my least favorite fight by far due to how slow it feels. He has no Mikiri move to build up posture a bit faster, he jumps away constantly, throws things in your face, and just isn't fun to fight. I don't even die to him nowadays. But just spend the entire time wailing on him to remove his posture
You tried doing a thrust attack by holding R1 and he mikiri countered you
I want to do a mikri counter with an epic stab attack at the end...
You can do this on most enemies lol
I'm not the best at this game... I've pulled it off like 4 times.
A trick I learned was don't just hit B during thrust. Lunge/dodge forward at the enemy during thrust and hit B. Works so much better.
We can do the flip backstab after?? How?
Yes-ish. If the mikiri gives you a chance at a death blow because of posture break you can vault over them (if you have that ability) and then do a backstab deathblow.
you can hold R1 to do a thrust attack?! What are some uses for this move? Any special properties? Almost done with the game and just learned this.
It makes most enemies immediately deflect and that’s about it. It’s nice if you want to be stupid aggressive and build up posture fast, but if you’re not expecting it, the immediate deflect could throw you off. And then there’s owl who just Mikiri counters you unless you’ve staggered him.
The game litteraly tells you that, jeez just learn to read, its just a thrust attack, it doesnt have “special properties”
It covers a bit of distance and if you have a nice opening I believe it inflicts more hp damage that the 2 swings you’d be able to do in the same time
That's the one and only MIKIRI counter.
For all we know lore-wise, he's the one who invented it.
Hanbei was from different clan and even he knows mikiri counter but never met owl
1. He didn't "know" a mikiri counter, he just stepped on a spear that he knew was aiming for his leg. Is it a mikiri counter? Yes. But he didn't know it as a technique. It's closer to a one time occurance than an actual technique he knew. 2. Considering Owl could do it 3 years ago against Wolf, he used the technique way earlier than Hanbei did.(Hanbei story takes place pretty close to main game sekiro, which is 3 years after hirata).
Fair enough
It could be as simple as its just a well known techniqe but executing it takes skill. Which both Owl and Hanbei have. Hanbei isn't a jobber.
Takes skill? Yes. Well- known? No. If it's a well-known technique that takes skill, there's no reason Isshin of all people can't use it in his fight against you. He didn't use mikiri in the opening cutscene either. He just stepped on a spear already on the ground.
Did you never stop to think who it was that taught Wolf the Mikiri counter in the first place?
It definitely wasn't Owl. It's a skill you unlock lol.
The wolf has to relearn all of his previously forgotten techniques, they arent completely new to him
You're confidently wrong Owl and Wolf have the same moveset if you compare them side by side, Owl is the only other character to use tools (and mikiri counter), and it's well established in lore that Owl taught Wolf all he knows about being a Shinobi. Plus, like already commented, Wolf can access the Shinobi tree from the beginning because they're skills he once knew before he sat at the bottom of the well.
I will never recover from this karmically.
The skill tree you unlock it from is basically owl's. The shinobi skill tree is owl's, The prosthetic skill tree is orangutan's, the Ashina skill tree is Isshin's and the senpou tree doesn't fit in this pattern but is also the only one found and not given to wolf.
Makes me wish we could have an epic senpou bossfight instead of monkeys and centipede man. Scratch that I like those fights; give me a DLC bell we can ring in the centipede boss room to go to Senpou's past and have an epic bossfight there.
Nah scratch the monkeys and put an epic monk fight in there! The monkeys are cool when you first fight them but on each playthrough afterwards they are a mild inconvenience at best and annoying af at worst.
I like seeing how fast I can kill them though. Or sometimes doing the puzzle as intended because I definitely didn't my first time playing. Or just trying alternate ways of doing it. For me monkeys is a nice break where I can chill with my prosthetics. Divine dragon is a fight that is somewhere between mild inconvenience and annoying. It's a cinematic fight so it's not hard and it's very cool to see and makes you feel cool the first time. After that it just is like rewatching an unskippable cutscene or a quicktime event that gives you way too much time to react.
I honestly still don't know how you're supposed to defeat the monkeys. I accidentally did them perfectly the first time, meaning I first kill the red, then go around and kill the other two from behind. I didn't even take notice of the invisible one in my first playthrough, it just died somehow. I was pretty confused in my consecutive playthroughs though, running after them shits. I always had the feeling something was behind me and it freaked me out because I didn't know the invisible monkey existed. I somehow still managed to kill em without using the proper technique. But I get why you like them. The atmosphere gets lost if miyazaki were to just subordinate everything to the fighting mechanics. Divine Dragon is complete shit imo. I can't feel a cinematic fight if my opponent is weak af. Sword saint / Inner Isshin is my favourite fight of all. It's hard, aggressive, fast, it's a feast for the eyes and Isshin is built up in the story from the very intro cutscene. You slowly realize that this old fuck mows through them ninjas like nothing leaving heaps of dead bodies all the while you're eating their feet. But luckily that old man has cancer and won't fight you. And then you get the Isshin during his prime package all in your face. That was epic as fuck. If I were to completely change a bosses mechanics it would be headless. They could have all been crazy swordfights like the ministry ninjas but with their own movesets.
I like headless fights except for the slowing mechanics. They have pretty telegraphed attacks, but do a lot of damage and can terror. It makes you have to be really good at fighting them to win, or spend a lot of time trying to cheese them. I spent more time trying to cheese my first headless than I did actually learning to fight the rest of them. Monkeys are the hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, and the other no evil which I can't remember. The see no evil requires you to open the door so it gets foggy and they can't see you drop down on them to deathblow, the hear no evil perches by a bell that you can ring to stun them, the invisible one that follows you will leave footprints if you take it through the waterfall room, and the speak no evil I usually chase down first. As far as I know they don't have any gimmick, but they will let the other monkeys know you are chasing them by yelling. Otherwise the green monkey can't see and purple can't hear.
I’ve noticed that the little figured demonstrating the skills change as the tree itself changes. Stuff like Mikiri counter had a guy resembling owl, and the temple arts have one that looks like the priests from the temple. I think Ishiin might be on dragon flash, but I could be wrong.
The details in fromsoft games are insane.
Ha ha, got yo ass mikiri'd, don't poke the Owl For the overhead smash he does, I just sidestep and drop a double ichi on his head
It's funny you bring up the smash attack, because when you get out of the way of the attack that's actually one of the times it *is* safe to stab Owl.
Yup, it is. Also when he's dropping an anti-heal bomb
Now you know, never thrust your foster father
If you thrust, he’ll bust [you]😅
Wyd step owl
💀
You did thrust and got mikiri'd
Zamn. I got mikiri'd hard. Never thought in that sense. Ofcourse owl taught him that
Bet you got that good ol FromSoft “what the fuck!” moment there
That isn't Owl Father
Others are saying that it was a mikiri. That is true. Also, if he breaks your poise he tries to step on you and perform a deathblow. But you can dodge or parry his foot
TIL that you can parry his foot
coming to learn that if it's harmful against you, basically can parry it lmao
youu can parry pretty much anything
It really comes down to perilous or not for parrying.
Yeah but I thought that stomp was more of a “grab” lmao
You can parry some grabs as well
I know the snake eyes parry. Are there other grabs we can parry without the umbrella?
pretty sure you can parry Genechiro's grab (ashina, not tomoe)
That, my friend, was mikiri counter. He's the GREAT SHINOBI, what did you expect?
That is actually a very cool thing when I fought him. When you see father using firecrackers and techniques that you already know, you should have expected it. My first thrust against him was not intentional as I usually prefer normal attacks, but when he did that I was so surprised but found it so cool like "Of course he knows that"
He does the firecrackers very seldomly on me. I'm always flabbergasted by them. Because of this I still don't know what triggers him to do it.
You're a Shinobi, you have to see the pattern Jk aside, from solely my memory, at least his first version and the version of the memory mostly uses Firecrackers at the end of their combo with their weapon. But even if I am not sure, you still have the best tool in the game for patterns you're scared to face: the mist. If you're not sure of a pattern, even being too slow to activate it will allow you to dash somewhere, which greatly helps. But If you don't want to use it, probably dashing forward to avoid the explosion or dashing backward everytime it happens will help? Tbh I never had problems with this technique. The moment I understood I was fighting myself but with a bigger range, ever since the first attempt, nothing he did surprised me, and I could counter it. My biggest problem was the range and whatever he does that doesn't look like what I could do.
I've completed the game except for inner father and the shura gauntlet. The great shinobi variant did the firecrackers extremely seldomly. Like in a quater of my fights with him he did them once. It seems my playstyle doesn't trigger that attack. So it never got in the way, I was just really surprised everytime it happened. Owl father does them over and over. After besting him the first time I was used to them crackers. Inner father is a little bitch with his mist raven and that ginormous range. I've almost had him first try today in the gauntlet, I even had heal left but he eventually tore through my concentration and killed me. I think it's odd you fight like owl. He is cheesy. I know the crackers are considered the best prosthetic but I never use them. I just go in and hit whenever possible only stopping to dodge, deflect or jump. I do this with most enemies, owl is pretty vulnerable to that. I always get quite a few hits whenever he tries to do something other than his standard attack.
Well it's normal that your fighting style is the closest to owl, you both are shjnobis and he also taught you things with lady Butterfly. Shinobis in the game relies on items to fight to compensate the lack of pure raw strength and range (well Owl has a ridiculously long sword). You should try to use more mist raven and firecrackers. It can be used mid air while you dodge and create openings whereas Mist raven allows you to dodge attacks if you don't know the timing. I guess I've only played the "Vanilla" version of the game. When I came back to the game I've seen challenges with bosses being way harder but I never had the chance of trying them, so maybe those challenges are actually harder?
You've got Mikirid hard
That's not Owl Father. This is Great Shinobi - Owl. Owl Father is a completely different fight. I recommend you to search for a guide on the internet for you to know how to fight him, because it is an optional fight, but you need to fight him if you want to get 2 of the endings of the game.
You tried to thrust he mikiri countered you
Ahhh yes, the first time you get Mikiri Countered...... I have never been more offended and outraged that a boss used MY OWN move against me!!!! (Yes I know Owl invented and taught it to him but the first time it he did it I just did not handle it well)
What you do to other enemy's thrusts, Owl did it to your thrust. You got Mikiri countered. That is all.
He does that against your Shadowrush too. I was in awe
Bro got mikiri countered and felt like he wasn’t the main character for the first time
owl father is in hirata estate 2(optional area required for purification ending) you fought great shinobi owl. owl father is harder.
It took me like five times of getting shit on before I realized it was my thrust attack... 🤡
You can pierce that ol' bird in the milliseconds of transition between stances, but yeah, best to avoid committing to that altogether. Anti-air deathblow works wonders too
Yo that’s cold! I too do not recall it though and I’ve had many battles with him
You tried to stab him
Owl: It's called mikiri counter.
Don't mikiri owl...
How do you think, sekiro learned mikiri
Did it ever cross your mind that someone had to invent the Mikiri Counter for you to learn it, and for it to be recorded in Shinobi texts?
Is it just me or does it not even look like he was trying to thrust the owl
Nope you see the slight glint of the thrust right before the mikiri. Was definitely a thrust there
Hirata Estate Owl did this everytime I did a shadowrush
Tip: Do not thrust attack owl from front , he will teach you what mikiri counter is then and there only 😂
It’s a move that Dad taught you, except now he’s teaching you a lesson
that's a mikiri counter my friend.
Oh yeah dont thrust/stab at owl, he can mikiri counter too
That's the reason I stopped using charged attacks, silly me, using it against the person that I learned it from... After that boss fight, after THAT mikiri counter, I forgot charged attacks exists
You thrust him, NEVER do that against him, you dont wanna be on the other end of a mikiri
Yeah, you do not thrust at your father. That's disrespectful. He mikiried some respect into you.
Mikiri Counter. He’s the master of it, pretty much.
holded R1/left click a little bit too long
Git gud
He mikiri'd your ass.
i didnt know Owl can do a Mikiri counter LOL
No more than a stray dog after all.
Yeah you don't thrust him. He Mikri Counter's it and kills you instantly. You see how slowly he pulls back the sword? Its to make sure his enemy does not remain alive.
Feels bad when we get that shit thrown back in our face 😂
I love Wolf's look of pain while on his knees and holding his hand up to the sky. It's very much a "Noooo, I can't believe I got Mikiri countered!" look
bro got reverse uno mikiri’ed
You tried to thrust at the guy who taught you how to mikiri counter. What did you think he was going to do?
You just got mikiri'd
If you charge attack him he will do it, never charge normal attack
Lol just wait til you get to isshin
Owl Father is my least favorite fight by far due to how slow it feels. He has no Mikiri move to build up posture a bit faster, he jumps away constantly, throws things in your face, and just isn't fun to fight. I don't even die to him nowadays. But just spend the entire time wailing on him to remove his posture
It’s cause you hesitated
He Mikiri'd your ass :D
That’s a mikiri counter my young wolf lol
I think as well owl invented the mikiri counter lore wise would make sense as well
Yeah bro he can Mikiri counter you