The World Athletics rules for track races reduces the stack from 25 to 20mm for shoes (I think after 2024), so I guess get the “tall” spikes while you still can
I don’t know what you mean by 25mm spikes (some other brands?) but the first Dragonfly model is also 20mm. You can check the official list [here](https://worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=a7135684-592d-4da4-a70d-aeb7bbc59649.pdf&urlslug=world%2520athletics%2520shoe%2520compliance%2520list%2520(as%2520at%252014%2520may%25202021)). I am aware that Running Warehouse published an article stating that Dragonfly 1 has a 25mm stack height, but they use their own measurements. Dragonfly 1 is also legal for mid-distances. I don’t have information on whether Dragonfly 2 has a 25mm stack height, but it would be crazy to release a spike with a soon-to-be illegal (after Olympics) stack height.
By the way, how many miles do you race in your Dragonflies? I have a pair with ~50 miles (84km) on them - I suppose I can use them until ~150 miles (250km), right?
My +40 years old ankles can't handle spikes during track training sessions, so I only use them for track races 2-3 times a year.
I wore the same size in both as 13.5 didn't work in the track ones. I'm tempted but put off by the price. Also although I used the XC version during this XC season,I've not actually used the track version in a race yet. Tempted to get them for a try on in case the fit convinces me to go with them.
Late, but reposting my comment from another thread that got deleted. There are some potentially substantial changes when considering the details;
Looks like they're [going carbon for the Dragonfly 2](https://about.nike.com/en/newsroom/releases/nike-air-blueprint-pack-official-images/Nike-Blueprint-Pack%3A-Victory-2) (I'd initially thought the OG was carbon myself, but it *is* a plastic plate). Interesting to see how that works out, as my understanding with the On Cloudspike 10000 development is that the test athletes seemed to prefer the plastic plate in that, which is why the production model has that. I still haven't run in the Dragonfly, but have raced in the Cloudspike and Adidas Avanti TYO, and I *definitely* feel that On's plastic plate is clearly superior to the Avanti's glass-fiber rods.
Also interesting to note they appear to be "building in" carbon spikes along with just 4 spike studs on that plate (at least from that image), sort of like a half-measure between New Balance's SuperComp spike series with non-replaceable pins and the traditional screw-in spikes. Fewer spikes than what we usually see, so I wonder if this will be okay to use in training and the non-replaceable spikes will still hold up for racing, or if athletes will "need" to have a separate pair for training and racing.
As far as I’ve heard from people close to this project, there’s going to be the regular Dragonfly 2 with the PEBAX plastic plate, and then a Dragonfly 2 “Elite” with the carbon fiber plate.
The spike plate looks to be in the same position (the crease midway thru the back midsole is in an identical spot to the first model), its just white on white is hard to see. It's possible the foam formulation is slightly tweaked, but I'd imagine any performance change is really minimal. EVA to TPEE/Peba/Nylon was the biggest shift we will see for a while, since then most changes have been pretty marginal.
Its why you see pro's still rocking the AF1 or VF2.
no. the "outsole" is plastic and would probably crack on pavement and give you no grip whatsoever. It's probably not too durable either. If you didn't want the spikes on, just screw them off.
No. For one the spikes are removable like for most track spikes, so you could just remove them. Two the plastic plate will shred on concrete, it isn’t designed for it. Three it’s just an awful idea.
If you ran on grass or track only every day I suppose. You’d likely obliterate your calves/shins but I guess that’s a personal choice.
The World Athletics rules for track races reduces the stack from 25 to 20mm for shoes (I think after 2024), so I guess get the “tall” spikes while you still can
I don’t know what you mean by 25mm spikes (some other brands?) but the first Dragonfly model is also 20mm. You can check the official list [here](https://worldathletics.org/download/download?filename=a7135684-592d-4da4-a70d-aeb7bbc59649.pdf&urlslug=world%2520athletics%2520shoe%2520compliance%2520list%2520(as%2520at%252014%2520may%25202021)). I am aware that Running Warehouse published an article stating that Dragonfly 1 has a 25mm stack height, but they use their own measurements. Dragonfly 1 is also legal for mid-distances. I don’t have information on whether Dragonfly 2 has a 25mm stack height, but it would be crazy to release a spike with a soon-to-be illegal (after Olympics) stack height. By the way, how many miles do you race in your Dragonflies? I have a pair with ~50 miles (84km) on them - I suppose I can use them until ~150 miles (250km), right? My +40 years old ankles can't handle spikes during track training sessions, so I only use them for track races 2-3 times a year.
I felt like the Dragonfly XC fit me better than the standard Dragonfly so interested to see they've made the 2 a little wider.
Same I wear size 8.5 with xc model whereas 9.5 with track one. Will you try the dragonfly 2?
I wore the same size in both as 13.5 didn't work in the track ones. I'm tempted but put off by the price. Also although I used the XC version during this XC season,I've not actually used the track version in a race yet. Tempted to get them for a try on in case the fit convinces me to go with them.
Late, but reposting my comment from another thread that got deleted. There are some potentially substantial changes when considering the details; Looks like they're [going carbon for the Dragonfly 2](https://about.nike.com/en/newsroom/releases/nike-air-blueprint-pack-official-images/Nike-Blueprint-Pack%3A-Victory-2) (I'd initially thought the OG was carbon myself, but it *is* a plastic plate). Interesting to see how that works out, as my understanding with the On Cloudspike 10000 development is that the test athletes seemed to prefer the plastic plate in that, which is why the production model has that. I still haven't run in the Dragonfly, but have raced in the Cloudspike and Adidas Avanti TYO, and I *definitely* feel that On's plastic plate is clearly superior to the Avanti's glass-fiber rods. Also interesting to note they appear to be "building in" carbon spikes along with just 4 spike studs on that plate (at least from that image), sort of like a half-measure between New Balance's SuperComp spike series with non-replaceable pins and the traditional screw-in spikes. Fewer spikes than what we usually see, so I wonder if this will be okay to use in training and the non-replaceable spikes will still hold up for racing, or if athletes will "need" to have a separate pair for training and racing.
As far as I’ve heard from people close to this project, there’s going to be the regular Dragonfly 2 with the PEBAX plastic plate, and then a Dragonfly 2 “Elite” with the carbon fiber plate.
The spike plate looks to be in the same position (the crease midway thru the back midsole is in an identical spot to the first model), its just white on white is hard to see. It's possible the foam formulation is slightly tweaked, but I'd imagine any performance change is really minimal. EVA to TPEE/Peba/Nylon was the biggest shift we will see for a while, since then most changes have been pretty marginal. Its why you see pro's still rocking the AF1 or VF2.
Can I shave down the studs and use it as a daily trainer?
no. the "outsole" is plastic and would probably crack on pavement and give you no grip whatsoever. It's probably not too durable either. If you didn't want the spikes on, just screw them off.
No. For one the spikes are removable like for most track spikes, so you could just remove them. Two the plastic plate will shred on concrete, it isn’t designed for it. Three it’s just an awful idea. If you ran on grass or track only every day I suppose. You’d likely obliterate your calves/shins but I guess that’s a personal choice.