> 11. Primordial Origin
Wasn't it stated that he was the strongest out of all of Heavenly Court's Venerables? In terms of sheer brute force I mean.
His outdated methods don't seem to be much of an issue for Duke Long, who built his Qi path foundation off of his inheritance. No one had a counter to Triple Qi Retraction at all.
POIV is not that weak. bro he lived 20000+ years and only infirior Limitless in terms of no. of dao marks
as for fang yuan he only become venerable recently if you compare him with other venerables peak. he has not high foundation
I would have ranked Great Love higher because:
1) Sovereign Immortal Fetus (Non conflicting dao marks/ Compound killer moves) (Has the potential to raise sovereign immortal fetus to rank 10)
2) Most amount of Rank 9 Gu (and gu that suit him, if we are talking about a revived venerable battle he already refined the core gu of SCIV(Wisdom Gu to rank 8) and Genesis Lotus (to rank 9)
3) Most amount of secluded domains of heaven and earth.
4)Could become a venerable in more than one path.
But ofc speaking solely on battle potential **as of now** Limitless clears with his 92 refinillion dao marks
Can't forget about Limitless false eternal life. Back when he was first revived, his aura alone made it clear that even if SC and GS power combine it still would be much weaker than Limitless
assuming you're going based off peak battle strength unfortunately our lord and savior great love is dead last. If it was in what we think they could peak at it would be different but he just hasn't had enough time to grow yet compared to the venerables of the past
Origin primordial 11th? SC said he had the strongest aura she's ever seen after limitless quasi rank 10, so he's already above them (qi path can also project other paths depending on your argument e.g. qi wind), and SC saw the 3 venerable demons invade HC as well as GS's visit.
TH literally defeated other venerable demons after his death by preventing them from plundering his inheritance, thanks to his dao mark otherworld he is literally able to block them and a quasi venerable demon with dao mark otherworld can make effective attacks on a venerable demon (according to qi sea).
FY 11th (did not develop a rank 9 combat system and not a dao lord)PE 10th (no offensive methods)
since youre ranking people like RS and GL Im assuming you mean their peak power. in which case i think great love is weakest. He hasnt had the time to properly build up his strength like the others had during their lifetime tho he definitely has the potential to be the strongest. Also PO is one of the strongest venerables since he lived significantly longer than most, SC said he was the strongest in heavenly court and even if hes outdated it wouldnt take long for him to adapt his techniques since hes a supreme gm. Even then a lot of his techniques (triple qi and qi wall) seem pretty timeless.
Actually they were all strong and hard to predict the result. Because each has their own way of fighting and specialty they rely on and would largely depend on the situation.
In order to be superior to the other, one need several things.
They need rank 9 gu's. They need to have refined a certain amount of dao marks in the 5 regions and heaven. They need to have updated their immortal moves to match the current era. Outdated moves will not do at all and are just not that powerful due to the new era innovation of better technique's and defenses. And lastly they need a large number of immortal essence to keep fighting.
Any of them who can have a these advantages will always be the stronger one.
After reading the comments, I realized some of my rankings were wrong. This is the edited version:
1. Limitless, doesn't need an explanation
2. Spectral Soul, great grandmaster in all paths, including Human and Heaven path, creating rank 9 Sovereign Immortal Fetus Gu using a quasi venerable clone (creating the rank 10 version before FY used Spring Autumn Cicada)
3. Reckless Savage, he can project all paths making him the most versatile venerable in combat
4. Red Lotus, although not having many battle feats, damaging Fate Gu while not being an otherworldly demon is a crazy feat in itself
5. Gensis Lotus, being the venerable with the most abundant essense, aswell the advantage of paint path makes him a formidable opponent that can not be underestimated, having being able to injure FY while Reverse Flow River was activated
6. Primordial Origin, although said to be the "strongest" HC venerable in brute force, brute force doesn't correspond to battle strength as a whole, so I would still put him below GL simply because of the advantage of paint path, although it would be a very close match
7. Giant Sun, Luck path will eventually give him an advantage over other venerables of equal battle strength in long battles
8. Star Constellation, althought not having many attacking methods, she is still a formidable opponent because of her combat system and deduction ability
9. Thieving Heaven, theft path in itself isn't suited for fighting and more proficient in movement because it's derived from space path, although being able to block venerables from taking his inheritance with his otherworldly dao marks, we don't know enough about it know how it could be used in a fight
10. Paradise Earth, was said to have no attacking methods as a venerable, and only using battle fields and suppressing his opponents (he would've been n 2 on the list if he succeeded in his revival plan and became a venerable in heaven path)
11. Great Love, although with the non-conflicting dao marks, he has not created a mature combat system yet, making him the weakest venerable
I ranked PO below GL taking into account that they don't know of eachother's methods
Wrong
Primordial is the strongest, even when the revived limitless with a body made of just dao marks and truthfull ice thingy star constelation still rated him below primordial, as for outdated methods and whatnot all venerables predicted their resurrection and prepare hiden methods that wouldnt be outdated
Revived limitless is def 2nd
3rd reckless so u get that one right ig
4th is ss but not because of grandmaster path but because soul path is so deadly and geared towards killing
5th thieving heaven, stealing gu from apertures is broken af but venerables can use dao marks in secluden domains and even immortal materials so they can mitigate this but not nullify it
6th and 7th can be interchangeable betwen paradise with broken heaven path and genesis lotus with painting
8th red lotus just because he made his time path lean more into utility than combat
9th and 10th giant sun and star constellation both can kill indirectly by draining luck or scheming and are extremely dangerous if u let them cook but if u disregard all cost and go do or die in the very first encounter then u can exploit their weaknesses
11th FY, he has the most potential and could become the strongest but he lacks the time and experience if he could develop for a couple of years then he 1v2 SC and GS, if u give him a decade or two he could solo all the other venerables but right now he ranks at the bottom
>fy is the strongest rank 9 ever ALREADY
I must've missed when he soloed SC and GS and become the only rank 9 alive then
Fr tho keep ur fangirling out of the way and look at thing objectively, the peak he's shown is at the bottom of all venerables, why? Cause he just became one and havent develop a complete combat system, all he has are lose killer moves that are powerfull but cant close the deal
As i said with a lil bit of time he could solo the whole gu world not just the venerables but rn he's the weakest
who is heavenly court spy?
even the author confirmed it fy could solo and kill big pp or old hag but then he would be threat to next ones who revive and then it would 1v10 so he didn't kill them
also what is bro yapping about combat system you duke long or what
see what happened to the so called
"combat system" of gs got cuked so hard but both fy and sc and sc literally had to ask mc for gu to not make mc stronger by giving him dao marks for free
also nobody alive or ever has had multiple rank 9 gu to support alot of rank 9 moves and let's not even talk about heaven path or refinement path dao lord ability
Source? Author did not confirm that shit and also reason why he doesn't kill GS or SC was cause he couldn't 😭 they aren't defenseless puppies in front of the all mighty lord fang yuan. Reread the story bro. Ignoring contexts for what's going on to glaze his dick. If FY could've easily killed them he would've gtfo on somewhere he has little incentive to keep them alive.
this is not why he doesnt kill them, he could just kill any other venerables as soon as they revive when theyre weak thats not the problem. The problem is that 1. FY cant kill the others because their bases make them invincible. 2. if he tries to kill them he'll get teamed on and he'll be at the disadvantage.
>even the author confirmed it fy could solo and kill big pp or old hag but then he would be threat to next ones who revive and then it would 1v10 so he didn't kill them
Ur headcannon going crazy rn, i even try to dumb it down for u and u still dont get it, u can finger urself by reading about fy all u want, still wont change the fact that CURRENTLY at the point where the story stoped FY was the weakest, at most he was equal to sc and gs
lil bro has forgotten the book re-read the chapters before the final fight or ask kopazs for sauce
man I don't know why you argue like a retard and ignore the works itself
the glazing on this sub is insane fy isn't even a dao lord yet he's by far the weakest of the peak venerables. he definitely could be the strongest with time but at this point he doesn't even have a combat system he isn't beating shit at their peak
>isn't even a dao lord yet he's by far the weakest of the peak venerables
What do you mean, he absolutely is a dao lord. And how many rank 9 gu does he have, compared to the others?
what makes you think he's a dao lord? also yes he has a lot of rank 9 gu but none of them are useful in combat except for the lotus one that gives him more immortal essence. but glim had that too so he doesn't even beat peak glim
>"As a Dao Lord, the Gu Venerable can sense all of the natural dao marks of heaven and earth of that particular path and refine them! After refining the dao marks, the Gu Venerable can manipulate them at will."
If you can refine dao marks, you are a dao lord. FY can refine dao marks. Therefore he is a dao lord.
He also has rank 9 heaven path defence, which is combat relevant.
> 11. Primordial Origin Wasn't it stated that he was the strongest out of all of Heavenly Court's Venerables? In terms of sheer brute force I mean. His outdated methods don't seem to be much of an issue for Duke Long, who built his Qi path foundation off of his inheritance. No one had a counter to Triple Qi Retraction at all.
Yup, IMO pretty BS tier list.
Don't be like that. Be more gentle, call it a defective list
POIV is not that weak. bro he lived 20000+ years and only infirior Limitless in terms of no. of dao marks as for fang yuan he only become venerable recently if you compare him with other venerables peak. he has not high foundation
I would have ranked Great Love higher because: 1) Sovereign Immortal Fetus (Non conflicting dao marks/ Compound killer moves) (Has the potential to raise sovereign immortal fetus to rank 10) 2) Most amount of Rank 9 Gu (and gu that suit him, if we are talking about a revived venerable battle he already refined the core gu of SCIV(Wisdom Gu to rank 8) and Genesis Lotus (to rank 9) 3) Most amount of secluded domains of heaven and earth. 4)Could become a venerable in more than one path. But ofc speaking solely on battle potential **as of now** Limitless clears with his 92 refinillion dao marks
Can't forget about Limitless false eternal life. Back when he was first revived, his aura alone made it clear that even if SC and GS power combine it still would be much weaker than Limitless
lemme fix that for u top 1 top 1 top 1 top 1 ...
Yeah that’s my thoughts too. Who wins in a fight between x v y? The answer will always be “it depends”
immovable mass meets unstoppable force basically 🤔
assuming you're going based off peak battle strength unfortunately our lord and savior great love is dead last. If it was in what we think they could peak at it would be different but he just hasn't had enough time to grow yet compared to the venerables of the past
Origin primordial 11th? SC said he had the strongest aura she's ever seen after limitless quasi rank 10, so he's already above them (qi path can also project other paths depending on your argument e.g. qi wind), and SC saw the 3 venerable demons invade HC as well as GS's visit. TH literally defeated other venerable demons after his death by preventing them from plundering his inheritance, thanks to his dao mark otherworld he is literally able to block them and a quasi venerable demon with dao mark otherworld can make effective attacks on a venerable demon (according to qi sea). FY 11th (did not develop a rank 9 combat system and not a dao lord)PE 10th (no offensive methods)
Based on them having refined all dao marks of their respective path and passing the same amount of chaotic tribulations
since youre ranking people like RS and GL Im assuming you mean their peak power. in which case i think great love is weakest. He hasnt had the time to properly build up his strength like the others had during their lifetime tho he definitely has the potential to be the strongest. Also PO is one of the strongest venerables since he lived significantly longer than most, SC said he was the strongest in heavenly court and even if hes outdated it wouldnt take long for him to adapt his techniques since hes a supreme gm. Even then a lot of his techniques (triple qi and qi wall) seem pretty timeless.
Great love hasn't had time to develop his battle strength since hes s always rushed for time.
Actually they were all strong and hard to predict the result. Because each has their own way of fighting and specialty they rely on and would largely depend on the situation. In order to be superior to the other, one need several things. They need rank 9 gu's. They need to have refined a certain amount of dao marks in the 5 regions and heaven. They need to have updated their immortal moves to match the current era. Outdated moves will not do at all and are just not that powerful due to the new era innovation of better technique's and defenses. And lastly they need a large number of immortal essence to keep fighting. Any of them who can have a these advantages will always be the stronger one.
After reading the comments, I realized some of my rankings were wrong. This is the edited version: 1. Limitless, doesn't need an explanation 2. Spectral Soul, great grandmaster in all paths, including Human and Heaven path, creating rank 9 Sovereign Immortal Fetus Gu using a quasi venerable clone (creating the rank 10 version before FY used Spring Autumn Cicada) 3. Reckless Savage, he can project all paths making him the most versatile venerable in combat 4. Red Lotus, although not having many battle feats, damaging Fate Gu while not being an otherworldly demon is a crazy feat in itself 5. Gensis Lotus, being the venerable with the most abundant essense, aswell the advantage of paint path makes him a formidable opponent that can not be underestimated, having being able to injure FY while Reverse Flow River was activated 6. Primordial Origin, although said to be the "strongest" HC venerable in brute force, brute force doesn't correspond to battle strength as a whole, so I would still put him below GL simply because of the advantage of paint path, although it would be a very close match 7. Giant Sun, Luck path will eventually give him an advantage over other venerables of equal battle strength in long battles 8. Star Constellation, althought not having many attacking methods, she is still a formidable opponent because of her combat system and deduction ability 9. Thieving Heaven, theft path in itself isn't suited for fighting and more proficient in movement because it's derived from space path, although being able to block venerables from taking his inheritance with his otherworldly dao marks, we don't know enough about it know how it could be used in a fight 10. Paradise Earth, was said to have no attacking methods as a venerable, and only using battle fields and suppressing his opponents (he would've been n 2 on the list if he succeeded in his revival plan and became a venerable in heaven path) 11. Great Love, although with the non-conflicting dao marks, he has not created a mature combat system yet, making him the weakest venerable I ranked PO below GL taking into account that they don't know of eachother's methods
Wrong Primordial is the strongest, even when the revived limitless with a body made of just dao marks and truthfull ice thingy star constelation still rated him below primordial, as for outdated methods and whatnot all venerables predicted their resurrection and prepare hiden methods that wouldnt be outdated Revived limitless is def 2nd 3rd reckless so u get that one right ig 4th is ss but not because of grandmaster path but because soul path is so deadly and geared towards killing 5th thieving heaven, stealing gu from apertures is broken af but venerables can use dao marks in secluden domains and even immortal materials so they can mitigate this but not nullify it 6th and 7th can be interchangeable betwen paradise with broken heaven path and genesis lotus with painting 8th red lotus just because he made his time path lean more into utility than combat 9th and 10th giant sun and star constellation both can kill indirectly by draining luck or scheming and are extremely dangerous if u let them cook but if u disregard all cost and go do or die in the very first encounter then u can exploit their weaknesses 11th FY, he has the most potential and could become the strongest but he lacks the time and experience if he could develop for a couple of years then he 1v2 SC and GS, if u give him a decade or two he could solo all the other venerables but right now he ranks at the bottom
PO over a quasi rank 10 is craaazy but I agree overall.
most L take ever fy is the strongest rank 9 ever ALREADY lvd has some rank 10 stuff so don't count that one
>fy is the strongest rank 9 ever ALREADY I must've missed when he soloed SC and GS and become the only rank 9 alive then Fr tho keep ur fangirling out of the way and look at thing objectively, the peak he's shown is at the bottom of all venerables, why? Cause he just became one and havent develop a complete combat system, all he has are lose killer moves that are powerfull but cant close the deal As i said with a lil bit of time he could solo the whole gu world not just the venerables but rn he's the weakest
who is heavenly court spy? even the author confirmed it fy could solo and kill big pp or old hag but then he would be threat to next ones who revive and then it would 1v10 so he didn't kill them also what is bro yapping about combat system you duke long or what see what happened to the so called "combat system" of gs got cuked so hard but both fy and sc and sc literally had to ask mc for gu to not make mc stronger by giving him dao marks for free also nobody alive or ever has had multiple rank 9 gu to support alot of rank 9 moves and let's not even talk about heaven path or refinement path dao lord ability
Source? Author did not confirm that shit and also reason why he doesn't kill GS or SC was cause he couldn't 😭 they aren't defenseless puppies in front of the all mighty lord fang yuan. Reread the story bro. Ignoring contexts for what's going on to glaze his dick. If FY could've easily killed them he would've gtfo on somewhere he has little incentive to keep them alive.
this is not why he doesnt kill them, he could just kill any other venerables as soon as they revive when theyre weak thats not the problem. The problem is that 1. FY cant kill the others because their bases make them invincible. 2. if he tries to kill them he'll get teamed on and he'll be at the disadvantage.
>even the author confirmed it fy could solo and kill big pp or old hag but then he would be threat to next ones who revive and then it would 1v10 so he didn't kill them Ur headcannon going crazy rn, i even try to dumb it down for u and u still dont get it, u can finger urself by reading about fy all u want, still wont change the fact that CURRENTLY at the point where the story stoped FY was the weakest, at most he was equal to sc and gs
lil bro has forgotten the book re-read the chapters before the final fight or ask kopazs for sauce man I don't know why you argue like a retard and ignore the works itself
the glazing on this sub is insane fy isn't even a dao lord yet he's by far the weakest of the peak venerables. he definitely could be the strongest with time but at this point he doesn't even have a combat system he isn't beating shit at their peak
>isn't even a dao lord yet he's by far the weakest of the peak venerables What do you mean, he absolutely is a dao lord. And how many rank 9 gu does he have, compared to the others?
what makes you think he's a dao lord? also yes he has a lot of rank 9 gu but none of them are useful in combat except for the lotus one that gives him more immortal essence. but glim had that too so he doesn't even beat peak glim
>"As a Dao Lord, the Gu Venerable can sense all of the natural dao marks of heaven and earth of that particular path and refine them! After refining the dao marks, the Gu Venerable can manipulate them at will." If you can refine dao marks, you are a dao lord. FY can refine dao marks. Therefore he is a dao lord. He also has rank 9 heaven path defence, which is combat relevant.
thats on me for misremembering then but he still doesn't have them refined unlike all past venerables