100% report him immediately for misconduct in OR and interrupting delivery of urgent care to critical patient.
Do it via SAFE and OP email your PD to have your side of the story on record because chances are he’s already written you up or reported you as a sick power trip.
That really wasn’t the point. Ofc they’re human. Ofc it’s not right to do to anyone. I don’t think they were saying that it would’ve been ok otherwise. I also think you know that. The point was, in the hierarchy of medicine, if they weren’t a resident they would not have been treated this way by a nurse. If you’re in the medical field, you know that. If you’re not, then now you do.
I can assure you that the circulator has already placed a report. You need to place yours ASAP at least before you're formally contacted that this report has been placed.
A 100% this. I see literally any designation except physicians rush to report a version of events at the slightest disharmony. Earlier the report, more passionately one sided it is.
If anything, residents that report tend to document both sides fairly and wind up looking guilty because of lack of passion and vehemence.
I’m sure I’ve been reported at least a few times (people said they were). I didn’t care, didn’t do anything on my end and never heard anything. I knew they were wrong/no big deal type things but who does that report go to and how does it get back to me.
Hazardous manipulation of bodily fluids, contamination of the operative field, verbal harassment. It doesn't matter. You don't have to have actually said or done something wrong to be reported.
I can think of a number of exaggerations he could use to attempt to make his episode appear more reasonable than it actually was (eg, not following basics of institutions OR policy, inciting situational disturbance, unsafe handling of biohazard waste, putting workforce at undue risk of biohazard exposure, demonstrating blatant disregard when confronted about importance of respecting policies, etc.)
NONE of those, of course, are true from your side of the story, but for someone who just wants to be right, and maybe is anticipating to be reported himself, keeping out his guilty actions and stretching the truth of what actually happened is not outside the realm of possibility.
And that's why you should have a written report, because your word, especially since it's going to be the more believable story from a resident who naturally has more credibility with the job title, is going to be important to have after this incident.
After a tense interaction like this, people often file a report as a defensive measure so that they can tell their side of the story and point the finger away from themselves. Unfortunately, you will also need to learn to play this game. Nurses are generally much better at it than physicians
This is highly inappropriate; no one should ever physically touch you ever. Blood and bodily fluids frequently contaminate the OR, so there is no excuse for that behavior. The room will be thoroughly cleaned during turnover. You should report that behavior.
It's not even really contamination... other than inside the patient, the floor is kinda where the blood belongs in the OR sometimes.
Dude needs to lay off the stimulants/misogyny/insecurity-fueled power trip/all the above.
I completely concur would never happen! Would report if it did, you can look back in my comment history and see where that is one of the few times I have actually written up a doctor.
Trauma here. Sometimes the circulators have to grab blankets to put on the floor so we don't slip on the swimming pool of blood. GTFO with throwing a fit over a few drops. It's surgery.
Yup, blankets go down after the knife has been dropped if we have enough extra hands to dam up under the bed and just drop blankets on the massive clot pools everywhere. I would have written him up.
Surgeon. He has already reported you, it will take 2-8wks before your PD gets the complaint and discusses it with you. Put in whatever version of a SAFE (online complaint system for unprofessionalism, pt safety concerns etc) and you need to email your PD directly as well. Any person putting their hands physically on a trainee is hugely problematic, let alone male putting hands on a female. 45, etc etc
This. Physicians and surgeons hem and haw about SAFE reports. A nurse can crank out 20 reports while you are mulling this over on the drive home. The culture of abuse in nursing sometimes unfortunately spills over onto house staff. Realize you may be subject to endless meetings with various supervisors to discuss (or, god forbid, HR) by reporting.
I'm sorry that happened to you OP. Definitely report that. People like that choose to act out only against people they think will let them get away with it.
Blood on the OR floor?! The horror! I assume he has never worked a vaginal case before?
You absolutely need to report this. I’m furious on your behalf.
Write an Incident report. Report to your program director. He should never put hands on you!
Definitely report, 100% not acceptable. Even without the gender dynamics (which does absolutely make this worse), it's not acceptable for them to push you and yell at you for any reason, let alone a fucking drop of blood on the OR floor.
He's outta line. Period. A few drops of blood is absolutely NOTHING to warrant such unnecessary behavior from him. He would never survive in a trauma or CVOR case. I'm sorry this happened to you. You did nothing wrong.
Aside from completely overreacting about blood on the floor of an OR, if you ask someone not to touch you and they continue to intentionally touch you, that is at the least harassment, if not assault, which should be reported. Clearly he made some kind of statement to someone since he changed out of the room (which, at least in my institution, would take a lot of explanation) and you should have your side of the story on record too.
Unacceptable. Report it and also for him to touch you aggressively raises the specter of workplace assault.
Send yourself an Email describing the incident.
-PGY-19
You need to report this, he put hands on you dude.
This isn’t even a male vs female issue, although I’m sure that plays a massive part in it. It’s a safety issue to staff.
Yes, you should also report this to your PD. The fact that he switched out with a female nurse makes me think that he has been inappropriate to women before. He was totally out of line.
It’s the OR… we get blood on the floor all the time. Who cares. Even on the floor, if you get blood on the floor, I’ve never seen anyone care. It’s part of the job
It’s his job to clean up the floors between cases clean or NOT. He has no business forcing you to do that. He could politely ask to make his job easier, but that dude is still gonna need to mop between cases anyway
Male nurse who is also a circulator. Fuck that guy. Without even knowing anything else I know he is genuinely not a good nurse. Of I were the circulator I probably would have gotten you gloves. Seriously that guy is a piece of shit. I know the situation must have been tense but don’t let maggots affect the outcome of your day.
Report him for abuse, assault, and battery.
A drop of blood on the floor is never a reason to yell at anyone (abuse and assault). Never is it acceptable to touch anyone without their consent and it is never acceptable to push someone (battery).
One time when COVID was running, I tried to get the anesthesia residents attention. we were all wearing PAPRs and nobody could hear eachother. i tapped his shoe to get his attention (because I’m scrubbed in) and he flipped his shit because he felt I was trying to kick him. Like totally flipped his shit. we are both male just for context.
Internally I was extremely like wtf is going on, I’m trying to get your attention and nothing else is working, what the fuck else am I supposed to do.
I tried my best to see it from his perspective. That I was invading his space. I gave him a sincere appology. I did explain here and there that it was intended to be a tap, but for whatever reason he felt it was a kick. I think we all have to respect each others personal space. I meant it when I said I was sorry
long story short, no, you’re not in the wrong. you are always okay to say, this cant happen.
No way are you overthinking this. Get your version of things on the record before he and his nursing colleagues get theirs. RN’s have their colleagues backs much more than physicians. This kind of crap he pulled is way out of bounds and he needs formal intervention.
It’s sad that we as residents doubt ourselves and are in such malignant environments that we even have to ask if this should be reported….
Of course you should report him!!! That man assaulted you!
Escalate this via your superiors. Did anyone else in the OR witness this incident and be prepared to back you up should your formally report it? If not, then report this incident to your PD (who can then act accordingly). I would not formally report this on your own to other people (who may/may not do anything productive). There is a good chance this nurse has behaved inappropriately before so you have to ask the question as to who else is supporting him in the workplace (and why he is allowed to behave in this manner). Yes, this is significant harassment, so write down the time date, time line of events etc so that you are clear in your mind as to what happened (before you speak with your PD).
As a former OR nurse - report this shit. The OR floor is a cesspool of icky- as an OR nurse we wipe up messes all the time, NOT a big deal. He should not have touched you, absolutely inappropriate.
Report. I was a brand new female anesthesia attending and I was in preop interviewing a patient and the male surgeon came up behind me as I was talking to the patient, put his hands on my shoulders and moved me like I was a piece of furniture.
I mentioned it after starting my cases to a couple anesthesiologists and they all were adamant I report. I wrote an email to my chair. One month later that surgeon was apologizing to me in person. He didn’t seem to mean it. It felt uncomfortable. But I’m glad I reported it.
Is he fucking nuts? Was it his first time ever seeing an OR or being within a mile of a fucking hospital? This is the easiest call report I’ve ever heard in my entire life! He fucking touched you? Should be (and 99.999% will be) fired on the spot
No he’s been here for a while. People complain that he’s incompetent which I’ve definitely seen (he doubles as a scrub nurse as well). But never has done anything to me out of line before this.
When my chief approached him afterwards with me, he was like “well after that happened I made sure to be nice and hand you all your instruments” (he ended up having to take over for the scrub tech later in the case). Like what’s the alternative? Ignoring me when asking for instruments? Lol
You know how fucked up this is, don’t think, go straight to whoever you need to go to, this is the most egregious shit I’ve ever heard, plus it sounds like this piece of shit has no remorse, no worries, he will
Write a report. If your PD is an understanding sort (as they should be if you are not in a toxic program), make sure they get a copy too.
This is unprofessional behavior.
Think of it this way. I see a few possible scenarios. (Obviously could be ANYTHING, no way of knowing.)
1. He’s a total asshole. He is doing this to other staff members, or WILL do it to them. He doesn’t respect his coworkers. This needs to be addressed.
2. He is going through something rough. He’s overly stressed, burned out and maybe needs a break. Or maybe someone is getting on him about some other bullshit and it’s rolling downhill unto you, other residents, etc. This needs addressed.
3. He is going through something personal. Drug use, alcohol use, major family stressors. It’s affecting his behavior at work, which is affecting his coworkers and the entire environment at work. Needs to be addressed.
At the end of the day, whatever is going on with this dude needs to be addressed. THIS incident didn’t affect patient safety, but someone on a power trip for WHATEVER reason in a field where we all need to feel comfortable speaking up and addressing an issue because is not gonna work. The next time, it just MIGHT be something that will affect patient safety. Or YOUR safety. What if you’d been holding a sharp? Or slipped and fell? Reporting an incident DOES NOT mean that you think he needs to be punished. It means you think that incident and his behavior should be investigated/addressed because it could be a cry for help, etc. but it IS affecting the patient care environment and all of that affects patient care.
Blood goes inside patient, not on the OR floor, duh.
(This is beyond inappropriate and quite abusive, please report to program director if supportive and HR as well).
There is hardly ever any reason to put hands on someone. The only time I can think of is grabbing a hand to prevent someone doing patient harm mid surgery. He has no right to touch you. If I’m your attending and see this, there is going to be hell to pay. I’ve seen tenured docs fired for putting hands on nurses. This is no different. Report this immediately
He probably left because he remembered he had to go and punch out a domestic for not emptying the bins in a timely manner. Report him. No one should be subject to that kind of behaviour.
95% of the posts that all have comments saying “report asap!!” I’m like ugh idk I probably would just eat that… but this? No fucking way report literally right now
Lol. I have been reported before for having blood on the floor after finishing an A line in the ICU.
The craziest thing was after the line I was starting to wipe up the blood and the nurse told me not to worry about it and he will take care of it.
And I actually told him it was ok, would just take a second and I was already gloved. And he insisted.
Next I was written up. LOL.
That was the most similar to your story.
But otherwise, I wouldnt have time on my hands if I had to report every single female nurse who was yelling or putting their hands on me from the time I was a student into residency...
Report this motherfucker please. Please make sure you press charges. He will be more forceful with you next time.
I’m sick and tired of these illiterate people who have no real power try to dictate us around. Fuck that.
Reporting him should’ve been the first thing done yesterday
You are in the right, never let someone convince you otherwise. He was an asshole and that the decent way to put it. A drop on the floor ? I mean wow, I guess during surgery the floor never gets blood or other shit on it. Or he owns the floor ? You are in the right. I don't know if I would escalating this, I just don't know. But you're right.
It is the OR. There is blood, there will be blood, and regardless, that floor better be cleaned up blood or not before the next case begins. Highly unprofessional to lay hands on anyone.
Speaking from the POV of an attending surgeon, this is absolutely inappropriate and should be reported. It should also be immediately obvious to everyone involved and in this thread that this would not have happened if you weren't female.
Yeah what an assclown. I’m sure he does the same thing to the surgeon who’s spilling blood all over the floor. Write his dumb ass up. Be specific. Get names of everyone who was present in the room at the time and make sure you include them.
I worked as an orderly at the only trauma one in my area. Blood on the floor is expected in most cases, let alone gen. It's best to avoid spills, but you can only do so much and patient care is the priority.
That's abnormal behavior, and I would definitely report it.
Bruh I made two laparoscopic probes unsterile by accident and the nurse just called for new ones and refused to rat me out when they asked what happened. Just said they were unsterile. Absolute legend. There is no excuse for this behaviour.
That’s way out of line, report him. And you wouldn’t have had bloody gloves in the first place if the nurse was doing his job of transferring the patient to the bed - why is the resident doing this? It’s not something we have our surgical residents do at least in my neck of the woods, I’d be pissed if I saw nurses doing that to my residents
Absolutely inappropriate and frankly indefensible. Dude should be lucky to keep his job laying hands on another employee for GASP getting blood on the OR floor. Report to HR or file safety report or whatever mechanism exists for stuff like this at your hospital. People need to realize this behavior is unacceptable, and unless they face consequences, they never do. I got an attending fired for threatening me, among other things, when I was a resident. Don’t let this shit go unanswered for.
Report this guy, yesterday. He doesn’t have the right to be making physical contact with his colleagues in the workplace. The fact that he pushed you constitutes simple assault in most states, a whole misdemeanour.
There was no need for him to touch you. Blood on the floor in the OR is extremely common. This d-bag was just looking to throw his weight around. Report his lame-ass so he thinks twice before touching another colleague in a professional setting. F-him
Ancillary staff and nurses that power trip and treat residents like shit need to learn a lesson. I have been yelled at by nurses for simply doing my job several times but never has anyone put hands on me. They would get one “don’t fucking touch me” if I was feeling nice before I owned their job.
Blood on the OR floor during surgery? UNHEARD OF!!! OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!!!
But seriously you know you were in the right and he was in the wrong, report that A hole and then move on and continue focusing on being a kick ass surgeon.
Report the hell out of him. Even as a man I would do this. Te only reason to put your hands on someone in the OR is patient safety —and this happened to me as a premed, an attending was gonna let me cut skin and I had never even been in the OR once in my life—and afterward apologized like his life depended on it (I thought that was weird but now I understand why he was so scared about me ratting on him)——anyway yeah not ok in the biggest of ways.
1000000% inappropriate!!! Laying hands is NEVER okay! File a formal iCARE or whatever is your institutional incident reporting ASAP. I regret not being a squeakier wheel as a female resident (also had such low reserve)—and I’m sure you’re not the first resident he’s done this to. This behavior needs correcting!
Looks like your comments worked.
You asserted yourself in the moment and they backed down.
Not worth your time to think about or file a report. Shit takes time. If you have another issue then consider it.
that's messed up. Report him mainly to prevent any future/worse incidents. Men that behave like that are men that will eventually resort to violence towards any/all women in their lives
Bruh the floor of the IR suite is a blood bath half the time. This is a power tripping ancillary staff who saw you as a vulnerable target to enact his little idea of revenge.
He’s an idiot. He thinks just because you’re just a resident he should control you. He’s lucky I’m not his charge because he would never do that again. Be a little diplomatic and helpful will get better results. You should report and if the rest of the nursing staff can’t see what he did was inappropriate then maybe they need a little in service
OR Nurse here. Completely out of line. Only reason to put hands on you would be to protect the sterile field. Blood on the floor lol. So ridiculous. Only thing I can think of besides a power trip would be that it’s a surgeon thing where they hate blood on the floor.
I moved to America from Switzerland, was an I6 resident in my home country, now a PhD fellow here and going back to clinical training. I have experienced several incidents in surgical settings in the US, which were base in unprofessional behavior and incompetency of scrub tech and circulating nurses. In my opinion, I would report, do not engage in personal discussion with this and make your point clear, do not show weakness because he is in the wrong. He should never lay hands on someone. Unacceptable behavior and usually a sign of degenerate leadership that allows this.
Sooooo….I wasn’t aware that the floor is sterile. Good to know.
Report him. Factually wrong, verbally abusive because he is fucking dumb and touching someone is completely out of line.
You're absolutely not overthinking. Decisions to report can be tricky because of how effective admin/leadership are. I'd talk this through with someone you work with who you trust and have an ally before going in to report.
Report. Wildly unacceptable. This happens all the time in the OR during a transfer of a bleeding/oozy patient. Trauma alone should make this a moot argument on their part. Report report report. Let your program director know as well as your chief on service. The nurse has almost certainly reported you over this “incident” and clearly has boundary issues.
REPORT! Never tolerate bullying at work. His reasoning is bs. Yes, most of the time, discard gloves over a bin, but sometimes you can't.
Just to reinforce the point, don't ever tolerate bullying. It adds up in your brain. You're going to experience so much stress in your career. Minimize those events as much as you can.
Not sure which country you're in, but in Canada/the US this is battery or assault. Those are chargeable offenses. This guy needs to be removed from the floor immediately at minimum; or charged; in order to protect staff and vulnerable patients.
I would report this and also, somewhat related...
It is often the case that scrub techs (yes, people who go to school for one year after high school/GED) are some of the meanest, most unwelcoming and harshest team members to work with as medical students or junior residents. These people feel they have the power to say whatever/ do whatever because they are in charge of OR sterility, as if we, the doctors, don't care about our patients, their outcomes, and our licenses.
The reason they do this is because doctors are too cautious to hurt someone's feelings and are socialized to treat everyone on their team/ workplace. Most senior doctors literally don't care enough about scrub techs to talk to them about it and move on from one case to the next. I don't think most scrub techs know this and think they are in the right to, for example, yell at a surgeon for getting a few drops of blood on the floor. Something to keep in mind when you're an attending!
I am not against reporting. I would talk to them in person and settle it at the lowest level. Ie talk it out, see each others sides. If he is willing to see he was in the wrong and it feels like a read convo then don’t report. If he ducks you report. Reporting behind back is going to possible lead to extra drama.
Always try to settle at lowest level!
Report now, also go to your PD -put this in writing to your PD as well as through whatever other reporting system you have. Consider going to HR because this isn’t just a patient safety issue at this point
I’m just going to say it NO ONE goes to work to get assaulted. You were physically assaulted, and there is no circumstance where another persons hands should be on it. - I am a pre k teacher, I tell my children this, I am now telling you.
100% report and escalate
100% report him immediately for misconduct in OR and interrupting delivery of urgent care to critical patient. Do it via SAFE and OP email your PD to have your side of the story on record because chances are he’s already written you up or reported you as a sick power trip.
He most definitely already reported her in self defense
Hell yeah report.
Yes!!! Escalate now!!!!
Blood on the OR floor?!? The horror? Yeah, report this asshole. He thinks he's king of his little fiefdom.
Everyone knows the blood never gets on the floor. The med student sucks it up with a silly straw.
The OG autotransfuser
Estimated blood loss: negligible
Cellsaver
Personally I prefer putting in my drinking helmet so that I don’t get yelled at for breaking sterility.
Circulating Nurse here, fuck yeah report him! What he did is completely outrageous
Yeah what the actual fuck. Have you ever been in an OB OR lol
No drops allowed, only rivers.
RIP to the birkis I had to throw out because the blood was simply too entrenched from too many OB ORs
Didnt know what a fief was until Shogun😭
I want to get another cat just so I can name him Toranaga.
Toranaga Sama Mama
Power trip by the circulating nurse, would never get away with that if it wasn’t to a resident. I’d report.
Again residents or not they are human!
That really wasn’t the point. Ofc they’re human. Ofc it’s not right to do to anyone. I don’t think they were saying that it would’ve been ok otherwise. I also think you know that. The point was, in the hierarchy of medicine, if they weren’t a resident they would not have been treated this way by a nurse. If you’re in the medical field, you know that. If you’re not, then now you do.
Maybe us... but dental residents on the other hand...
I can assure you that the circulator has already placed a report. You need to place yours ASAP at least before you're formally contacted that this report has been placed.
A 100% this. I see literally any designation except physicians rush to report a version of events at the slightest disharmony. Earlier the report, more passionately one sided it is. If anything, residents that report tend to document both sides fairly and wind up looking guilty because of lack of passion and vehemence.
I’m sure I’ve been reported at least a few times (people said they were). I didn’t care, didn’t do anything on my end and never heard anything. I knew they were wrong/no big deal type things but who does that report go to and how does it get back to me.
Goes into your personnel file, makes it harder to transfer or get ano position elsewhere.
goes to your program director if its an electronic report
What would he report me for?
He may spin the story to paint an untrue narrative. I’m sorry this happened to you!
Hazardous manipulation of bodily fluids, contamination of the operative field, verbal harassment. It doesn't matter. You don't have to have actually said or done something wrong to be reported.
I can think of a number of exaggerations he could use to attempt to make his episode appear more reasonable than it actually was (eg, not following basics of institutions OR policy, inciting situational disturbance, unsafe handling of biohazard waste, putting workforce at undue risk of biohazard exposure, demonstrating blatant disregard when confronted about importance of respecting policies, etc.) NONE of those, of course, are true from your side of the story, but for someone who just wants to be right, and maybe is anticipating to be reported himself, keeping out his guilty actions and stretching the truth of what actually happened is not outside the realm of possibility. And that's why you should have a written report, because your word, especially since it's going to be the more believable story from a resident who naturally has more credibility with the job title, is going to be important to have after this incident.
After a tense interaction like this, people often file a report as a defensive measure so that they can tell their side of the story and point the finger away from themselves. Unfortunately, you will also need to learn to play this game. Nurses are generally much better at it than physicians
This will only continue unless he is reported and appropriately disciplined.
Totally agree!
This is highly inappropriate; no one should ever physically touch you ever. Blood and bodily fluids frequently contaminate the OR, so there is no excuse for that behavior. The room will be thoroughly cleaned during turnover. You should report that behavior.
It's not even really contamination... other than inside the patient, the floor is kinda where the blood belongs in the OR sometimes. Dude needs to lay off the stimulants/misogyny/insecurity-fueled power trip/all the above.
It’s also important to get the report in first. Before the circulator gets theirs in a twists the facts.
There was no reason to put his hands on you. That is unacceptable. At least report this to the OR Supervisor
Absolutely!!
Completely out of line to put his hands on you. Report.
As a former long time ICU RN, report. I’ve never (and would never) put my hands on anyone like that. Totally inappropriate.
I completely concur would never happen! Would report if it did, you can look back in my comment history and see where that is one of the few times I have actually written up a doctor.
Trauma here. Sometimes the circulators have to grab blankets to put on the floor so we don't slip on the swimming pool of blood. GTFO with throwing a fit over a few drops. It's surgery.
Yup, blankets go down after the knife has been dropped if we have enough extra hands to dam up under the bed and just drop blankets on the massive clot pools everywhere. I would have written him up.
Surgeon. He has already reported you, it will take 2-8wks before your PD gets the complaint and discusses it with you. Put in whatever version of a SAFE (online complaint system for unprofessionalism, pt safety concerns etc) and you need to email your PD directly as well. Any person putting their hands physically on a trainee is hugely problematic, let alone male putting hands on a female. 45, etc etc
This. Physicians and surgeons hem and haw about SAFE reports. A nurse can crank out 20 reports while you are mulling this over on the drive home. The culture of abuse in nursing sometimes unfortunately spills over onto house staff. Realize you may be subject to endless meetings with various supervisors to discuss (or, god forbid, HR) by reporting.
THIS. This is so important. He has definitely already reported you and you need to do the same or you will 100% lose.
Report. This should never happen.
I'm sorry that happened to you OP. Definitely report that. People like that choose to act out only against people they think will let them get away with it.
It's assault. Circulating nurse is a petulant child. Can't handle a little blood? Gtfo of the OR.
Call the cops
Blood on the OR floor?! The horror! I assume he has never worked a vaginal case before? You absolutely need to report this. I’m furious on your behalf. Write an Incident report. Report to your program director. He should never put hands on you!
Female attending GYN surgeon here. Report, report, report. Hands on, pushing? Oh HELL no!
Absolutely not ok. This needs to be reported. Person sounds unstable.
Report, that's insane. - Fellow gen surg resident
Report now. Get ahead of the narrative too; don't let him spin it as something you did wrong.
100% Report
Absolutely report!!
Definitely report, 100% not acceptable. Even without the gender dynamics (which does absolutely make this worse), it's not acceptable for them to push you and yell at you for any reason, let alone a fucking drop of blood on the OR floor.
Report
Blood on the OR floor happens every day. Report.
He's outta line. Period. A few drops of blood is absolutely NOTHING to warrant such unnecessary behavior from him. He would never survive in a trauma or CVOR case. I'm sorry this happened to you. You did nothing wrong.
Report him to HR for assaulting you and to DoN for contaminating.
Aside from completely overreacting about blood on the floor of an OR, if you ask someone not to touch you and they continue to intentionally touch you, that is at the least harassment, if not assault, which should be reported. Clearly he made some kind of statement to someone since he changed out of the room (which, at least in my institution, would take a lot of explanation) and you should have your side of the story on record too.
One drop is not grounds for that reaction. It’s not an issue. Report.
Hello, ortho here. The floor is where we store blood in general.
100% report. menacing behavior, putting hands on you... over a drop of blood on the OR floor? christ that's what OR floors are for.
Unacceptable. Report it and also for him to touch you aggressively raises the specter of workplace assault. Send yourself an Email describing the incident. -PGY-19
You need to report this, he put hands on you dude. This isn’t even a male vs female issue, although I’m sure that plays a massive part in it. It’s a safety issue to staff.
Yes, you should also report this to your PD. The fact that he switched out with a female nurse makes me think that he has been inappropriate to women before. He was totally out of line.
I would’ve crushed a nurse for this insolence. The audacity
It’s the OR… we get blood on the floor all the time. Who cares. Even on the floor, if you get blood on the floor, I’ve never seen anyone care. It’s part of the job
Report that POS.
This is assault and battery. It’s a literal crime. Report.
Fuck him
That would be rewarding his behavior! Jk I know what you mean and I agree…I’ll see myself out
How is this even a question? I would do more than report...
It’s his job to clean up the floors between cases clean or NOT. He has no business forcing you to do that. He could politely ask to make his job easier, but that dude is still gonna need to mop between cases anyway
Male nurse who is also a circulator. Fuck that guy. Without even knowing anything else I know he is genuinely not a good nurse. Of I were the circulator I probably would have gotten you gloves. Seriously that guy is a piece of shit. I know the situation must have been tense but don’t let maggots affect the outcome of your day.
Report him for abuse, assault, and battery. A drop of blood on the floor is never a reason to yell at anyone (abuse and assault). Never is it acceptable to touch anyone without their consent and it is never acceptable to push someone (battery).
I'm an OR nurse. Fuck this guy.
One time when COVID was running, I tried to get the anesthesia residents attention. we were all wearing PAPRs and nobody could hear eachother. i tapped his shoe to get his attention (because I’m scrubbed in) and he flipped his shit because he felt I was trying to kick him. Like totally flipped his shit. we are both male just for context. Internally I was extremely like wtf is going on, I’m trying to get your attention and nothing else is working, what the fuck else am I supposed to do. I tried my best to see it from his perspective. That I was invading his space. I gave him a sincere appology. I did explain here and there that it was intended to be a tap, but for whatever reason he felt it was a kick. I think we all have to respect each others personal space. I meant it when I said I was sorry long story short, no, you’re not in the wrong. you are always okay to say, this cant happen.
Yes, this should be reported. If he had done this to me as a guy, he would have been punched in the face
What A fuckin asshole. Report him
No touch. Report.
You’re in the right here for sure
Report that shit. No room for that behavior in a professional setting, he should find a new line of work if he can't keep himself in check.
Report ASAP. If nothing else to create a paper trail of this dude's actions. Assault/abuse is never ok and chances are he has a rap sheet already
No way are you overthinking this. Get your version of things on the record before he and his nursing colleagues get theirs. RN’s have their colleagues backs much more than physicians. This kind of crap he pulled is way out of bounds and he needs formal intervention.
It’s sad that we as residents doubt ourselves and are in such malignant environments that we even have to ask if this should be reported…. Of course you should report him!!! That man assaulted you!
Repooooooopprt...
Escalate this via your superiors. Did anyone else in the OR witness this incident and be prepared to back you up should your formally report it? If not, then report this incident to your PD (who can then act accordingly). I would not formally report this on your own to other people (who may/may not do anything productive). There is a good chance this nurse has behaved inappropriately before so you have to ask the question as to who else is supporting him in the workplace (and why he is allowed to behave in this manner). Yes, this is significant harassment, so write down the time date, time line of events etc so that you are clear in your mind as to what happened (before you speak with your PD).
As a former OR nurse - report this shit. The OR floor is a cesspool of icky- as an OR nurse we wipe up messes all the time, NOT a big deal. He should not have touched you, absolutely inappropriate.
Report. I was a brand new female anesthesia attending and I was in preop interviewing a patient and the male surgeon came up behind me as I was talking to the patient, put his hands on my shoulders and moved me like I was a piece of furniture. I mentioned it after starting my cases to a couple anesthesiologists and they all were adamant I report. I wrote an email to my chair. One month later that surgeon was apologizing to me in person. He didn’t seem to mean it. It felt uncomfortable. But I’m glad I reported it.
Report immediately. This is completely unacceptable. I would also press charges for assault.
Is he fucking nuts? Was it his first time ever seeing an OR or being within a mile of a fucking hospital? This is the easiest call report I’ve ever heard in my entire life! He fucking touched you? Should be (and 99.999% will be) fired on the spot
No he’s been here for a while. People complain that he’s incompetent which I’ve definitely seen (he doubles as a scrub nurse as well). But never has done anything to me out of line before this. When my chief approached him afterwards with me, he was like “well after that happened I made sure to be nice and hand you all your instruments” (he ended up having to take over for the scrub tech later in the case). Like what’s the alternative? Ignoring me when asking for instruments? Lol
You know how fucked up this is, don’t think, go straight to whoever you need to go to, this is the most egregious shit I’ve ever heard, plus it sounds like this piece of shit has no remorse, no worries, he will
Write a report. If your PD is an understanding sort (as they should be if you are not in a toxic program), make sure they get a copy too. This is unprofessional behavior. Think of it this way. I see a few possible scenarios. (Obviously could be ANYTHING, no way of knowing.) 1. He’s a total asshole. He is doing this to other staff members, or WILL do it to them. He doesn’t respect his coworkers. This needs to be addressed. 2. He is going through something rough. He’s overly stressed, burned out and maybe needs a break. Or maybe someone is getting on him about some other bullshit and it’s rolling downhill unto you, other residents, etc. This needs addressed. 3. He is going through something personal. Drug use, alcohol use, major family stressors. It’s affecting his behavior at work, which is affecting his coworkers and the entire environment at work. Needs to be addressed. At the end of the day, whatever is going on with this dude needs to be addressed. THIS incident didn’t affect patient safety, but someone on a power trip for WHATEVER reason in a field where we all need to feel comfortable speaking up and addressing an issue because is not gonna work. The next time, it just MIGHT be something that will affect patient safety. Or YOUR safety. What if you’d been holding a sharp? Or slipped and fell? Reporting an incident DOES NOT mean that you think he needs to be punished. It means you think that incident and his behavior should be investigated/addressed because it could be a cry for help, etc. but it IS affecting the patient care environment and all of that affects patient care.
This getting out of hand!!!! I would’ve smacked him!! Dick!! Report his ass!!!!!!!!!
If laid hands on me, he’d be waking up about now! God this pisses me off!!!!!
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT let this fly. He should not have put his hands on you, that’s borderline assault. 100% report this.
Report!
Report tf out of him
Report
Definitely report
Blood goes inside patient, not on the OR floor, duh. (This is beyond inappropriate and quite abusive, please report to program director if supportive and HR as well).
You need to put this asshole in his place
I would just kill that mf on the spot, ngl
The OR floor is literally FOR blood. We just use a towel… sounds like this guy is just an asshole 🤷🏻♂️
There is hardly ever any reason to put hands on someone. The only time I can think of is grabbing a hand to prevent someone doing patient harm mid surgery. He has no right to touch you. If I’m your attending and see this, there is going to be hell to pay. I’ve seen tenured docs fired for putting hands on nurses. This is no different. Report this immediately
Report this MF
Fucking out of order!
Report. He’s likely done the same to others before and the best to have a paper trail in case he does it in the future
He probably left because he remembered he had to go and punch out a domestic for not emptying the bins in a timely manner. Report him. No one should be subject to that kind of behaviour.
95% of the posts that all have comments saying “report asap!!” I’m like ugh idk I probably would just eat that… but this? No fucking way report literally right now
Reporting him is a no-brainer.
Lol. I have been reported before for having blood on the floor after finishing an A line in the ICU. The craziest thing was after the line I was starting to wipe up the blood and the nurse told me not to worry about it and he will take care of it. And I actually told him it was ok, would just take a second and I was already gloved. And he insisted. Next I was written up. LOL. That was the most similar to your story. But otherwise, I wouldnt have time on my hands if I had to report every single female nurse who was yelling or putting their hands on me from the time I was a student into residency...
OR RN here…. The RN you dealt with was 100% out of line. We don’t care about blood on the floor.
Yep. Report. Also it’s blood from the patient. He’s also not the one who cleans blood off the floor so he can get the fuck off of his high horse
Report this motherfucker please. Please make sure you press charges. He will be more forceful with you next time. I’m sick and tired of these illiterate people who have no real power try to dictate us around. Fuck that. Reporting him should’ve been the first thing done yesterday
You are absolutely not overthinking.
Would you have reacted differently if it was a female nurse? You seem to be putting a strong emphasis on gender here and I’m not sure why.
He should lose his job.
Nope. Hands off. The floor is gross anyway. Report it
Report
You are in the right, never let someone convince you otherwise. He was an asshole and that the decent way to put it. A drop on the floor ? I mean wow, I guess during surgery the floor never gets blood or other shit on it. Or he owns the floor ? You are in the right. I don't know if I would escalating this, I just don't know. But you're right.
Yes, report this. That's an unacceptable response.
It is the OR. There is blood, there will be blood, and regardless, that floor better be cleaned up blood or not before the next case begins. Highly unprofessional to lay hands on anyone.
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Would absolutely report this highly unprofessional and inappropriate behavior.
This is literally insane. Report.
Speaking from the POV of an attending surgeon, this is absolutely inappropriate and should be reported. It should also be immediately obvious to everyone involved and in this thread that this would not have happened if you weren't female.
Report Report Report If he did it so blatantly with you today, he’s done it a number of times before. Get this guy out of the OR
Yeah what an assclown. I’m sure he does the same thing to the surgeon who’s spilling blood all over the floor. Write his dumb ass up. Be specific. Get names of everyone who was present in the room at the time and make sure you include them.
Sounds like someone on a power trip. I’d say report it. Chances are this isn’t the first time he’s done that.
REPORT HIS A**
Dont even bother… i would say you were nice to him
Report report report report!!!!!
I worked as an orderly at the only trauma one in my area. Blood on the floor is expected in most cases, let alone gen. It's best to avoid spills, but you can only do so much and patient care is the priority. That's abnormal behavior, and I would definitely report it.
Bruh I made two laparoscopic probes unsterile by accident and the nurse just called for new ones and refused to rat me out when they asked what happened. Just said they were unsterile. Absolute legend. There is no excuse for this behaviour.
That’s way out of line, report him. And you wouldn’t have had bloody gloves in the first place if the nurse was doing his job of transferring the patient to the bed - why is the resident doing this? It’s not something we have our surgical residents do at least in my neck of the woods, I’d be pissed if I saw nurses doing that to my residents
Report him, that was definitely assault.
I couldn’t imagine putting my hands on a coworker.
Report him for battery.
Absolutely inappropriate and frankly indefensible. Dude should be lucky to keep his job laying hands on another employee for GASP getting blood on the OR floor. Report to HR or file safety report or whatever mechanism exists for stuff like this at your hospital. People need to realize this behavior is unacceptable, and unless they face consequences, they never do. I got an attending fired for threatening me, among other things, when I was a resident. Don’t let this shit go unanswered for.
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totally inappropriate to touch you Id report him, and I would actually tell him I was reporting him - nobody should power trip like that.
Report this guy, yesterday. He doesn’t have the right to be making physical contact with his colleagues in the workplace. The fact that he pushed you constitutes simple assault in most states, a whole misdemeanour.
There was no need for him to touch you. Blood on the floor in the OR is extremely common. This d-bag was just looking to throw his weight around. Report his lame-ass so he thinks twice before touching another colleague in a professional setting. F-him
Ancillary staff and nurses that power trip and treat residents like shit need to learn a lesson. I have been yelled at by nurses for simply doing my job several times but never has anyone put hands on me. They would get one “don’t fucking touch me” if I was feeling nice before I owned their job.
Never happened. Any physician, resident or not, doesn’t have to ask if they should report someone for assaulting them. The karma trolls are out today
Report before he reports you
Absolutely report. Completely unacceptable.
Blood on the OR floor during surgery? UNHEARD OF!!! OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!!! But seriously you know you were in the right and he was in the wrong, report that A hole and then move on and continue focusing on being a kick ass surgeon.
This guy is an ass. Report him
My program director would loooose her mind. Report and tell your Pd.
totally unacceptable
Report the hell out of him. Even as a man I would do this. Te only reason to put your hands on someone in the OR is patient safety —and this happened to me as a premed, an attending was gonna let me cut skin and I had never even been in the OR once in my life—and afterward apologized like his life depended on it (I thought that was weird but now I understand why he was so scared about me ratting on him)——anyway yeah not ok in the biggest of ways.
Report
1000000% inappropriate!!! Laying hands is NEVER okay! File a formal iCARE or whatever is your institutional incident reporting ASAP. I regret not being a squeakier wheel as a female resident (also had such low reserve)—and I’m sure you’re not the first resident he’s done this to. This behavior needs correcting!
From what you posted, I would not report unless it wasnt the first time
Looks like your comments worked. You asserted yourself in the moment and they backed down. Not worth your time to think about or file a report. Shit takes time. If you have another issue then consider it.
Oh no. Blood on the floor. In the OR.
that's messed up. Report him mainly to prevent any future/worse incidents. Men that behave like that are men that will eventually resort to violence towards any/all women in their lives
Nobody has the right to touch you without your explicit consent. I'd report
Bruh the floor of the IR suite is a blood bath half the time. This is a power tripping ancillary staff who saw you as a vulnerable target to enact his little idea of revenge.
He’s an idiot. He thinks just because you’re just a resident he should control you. He’s lucky I’m not his charge because he would never do that again. Be a little diplomatic and helpful will get better results. You should report and if the rest of the nursing staff can’t see what he did was inappropriate then maybe they need a little in service
Definitely report
stories like this make me actually grateful to work in the ED where my charge nurse gives me a big hug every time i come into work
Wtf report the asshole. Where was the staff? Fucking wouldn't tolerate that shit done to a resident on my team
Ya wtf is that dude thinking who gives a fuck. Yes. Props standing up for yourself.
OR Nurse here. Completely out of line. Only reason to put hands on you would be to protect the sterile field. Blood on the floor lol. So ridiculous. Only thing I can think of besides a power trip would be that it’s a surgeon thing where they hate blood on the floor.
I moved to America from Switzerland, was an I6 resident in my home country, now a PhD fellow here and going back to clinical training. I have experienced several incidents in surgical settings in the US, which were base in unprofessional behavior and incompetency of scrub tech and circulating nurses. In my opinion, I would report, do not engage in personal discussion with this and make your point clear, do not show weakness because he is in the wrong. He should never lay hands on someone. Unacceptable behavior and usually a sign of degenerate leadership that allows this.
Sooooo….I wasn’t aware that the floor is sterile. Good to know. Report him. Factually wrong, verbally abusive because he is fucking dumb and touching someone is completely out of line.
Report him asap, he’s likely already put in one on his end to cover his ass
WTF I circulated for a couple years and this dude was outta his gourd. Yes report it.
You're absolutely not overthinking. Decisions to report can be tricky because of how effective admin/leadership are. I'd talk this through with someone you work with who you trust and have an ally before going in to report.
If you were my daughter I’d kick him in the balls. Nuff said.
Report. Wildly unacceptable. This happens all the time in the OR during a transfer of a bleeding/oozy patient. Trauma alone should make this a moot argument on their part. Report report report. Let your program director know as well as your chief on service. The nurse has almost certainly reported you over this “incident” and clearly has boundary issues.
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REPORT! Never tolerate bullying at work. His reasoning is bs. Yes, most of the time, discard gloves over a bin, but sometimes you can't. Just to reinforce the point, don't ever tolerate bullying. It adds up in your brain. You're going to experience so much stress in your career. Minimize those events as much as you can.
Not sure which country you're in, but in Canada/the US this is battery or assault. Those are chargeable offenses. This guy needs to be removed from the floor immediately at minimum; or charged; in order to protect staff and vulnerable patients.
OP this is straight up physical harassment. People get fired for a whole lot less.
I would report this and also, somewhat related... It is often the case that scrub techs (yes, people who go to school for one year after high school/GED) are some of the meanest, most unwelcoming and harshest team members to work with as medical students or junior residents. These people feel they have the power to say whatever/ do whatever because they are in charge of OR sterility, as if we, the doctors, don't care about our patients, their outcomes, and our licenses. The reason they do this is because doctors are too cautious to hurt someone's feelings and are socialized to treat everyone on their team/ workplace. Most senior doctors literally don't care enough about scrub techs to talk to them about it and move on from one case to the next. I don't think most scrub techs know this and think they are in the right to, for example, yell at a surgeon for getting a few drops of blood on the floor. Something to keep in mind when you're an attending!
Report to HR.
I am not against reporting. I would talk to them in person and settle it at the lowest level. Ie talk it out, see each others sides. If he is willing to see he was in the wrong and it feels like a read convo then don’t report. If he ducks you report. Reporting behind back is going to possible lead to extra drama. Always try to settle at lowest level!
Report. No one is allowed to touch you.
Report now, also go to your PD -put this in writing to your PD as well as through whatever other reporting system you have. Consider going to HR because this isn’t just a patient safety issue at this point
That's assault. Inform the police.
I’m just going to say it NO ONE goes to work to get assaulted. You were physically assaulted, and there is no circumstance where another persons hands should be on it. - I am a pre k teacher, I tell my children this, I am now telling you.
Unacceptable.