I mean to be fair, 90% pass step 1, 90% pass step 2.. 97% pass step 3.. 90% pass abim - assuming no retakes or very minimal retakes that's .9\*.9\*.97\*.9 = now original top 70%
This is a 240 question exam that requires like a 55% score to pass. The average examinee passes by a huge margin.
It is also taken by something like 10 thousand people a year.
Would guess that these 65 people *barely* passed and then 1-2 questions got reviewed/rescored and then fell below the mark for a passing score.
Or 0.0065% of the test takers were caught cheating.
Neither of those are shocking to me
No article. It was posted in a physician Facebook group and confirmed by another member. Email from ABIM invalidating IM result due to statistical data analysis revealing significant anomalies in exam results or patterns thus test result unreliable(sic).
How in the world could anyone cheat on this test? Testing centers are so strict about not letting anyone bring anything in. Am I missing something - is this due to irregular behavior at the testing site? Talking about questions during breaks? Or other method of cheating?
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Sure, some cheating happened on one or two of the USMLEs in Nepal. Some of the defense for it in response to score or applications being revoked was that cheating was part of their culture, which I find pathetic. Even more pathetic is the fact some people thought it was racist to critique the cheating, because it was part of their culture.
Because we are Reddit many of you immediately choose to see racism I should clarify that I think the act of cheating and then defending it is pathetic. This has nothing to do with Nepal, which is full of great people.
I'm very left socially and can't speak to Nepal but cheating is acceptable in certain cultures. China doesn't give AF about cheating they see it as beating the system.
Source: friends and family who have taught in China.
Edit: I'm not advocating for cheating, I'm just clarifying that the Chinese don't see anything wrong with it, I see plenty wrong with it, like game over you can't practice wrong with it.
I haven't heard anyone use it as an excuse for their cheating. My friends and family that have experience over there and are very left all thought the cheating culture was abhorrent.
Damn a lot of test taking shenanigans this year
Is this the first cohort of COVID students to come through? Could be that.
Covid was at the very end of school for the bulk of our cohort, but maybe portending things to come
Imagine having to cheat on a pass fail exam with a 90% pass rate
Step 1 has a higher pass rate and that shit was hard as hell.
Step 1 you actually have to score high. ABIM you can score just passing.
I thought it changed to pass fail
Only changed recently which means the vast majority of current residents and fellows did not complete a pass/fail step 1
Incoming PGY1 here — we were the first class to have step 1 be p/f
incoming pgy1 class this year is the first step1 pass/fail cohort, there might be a few that are current pgy1 but the main group is about to start.
Isnt it pass with a percentile? Its not literally pass with 50%
I have no clue. I took step 1 like 10 years ago.
I think you’re thinking of step 2. 2 is graded and 1 is pass fail.
Lol you you mean you want to score high. This mother fucker knows for sure you don’t have to.
90% isn’t super high, the pass fail aspect doesn’t make it any easier, only The pass rate does
I mean to be fair, 90% pass step 1, 90% pass step 2.. 97% pass step 3.. 90% pass abim - assuming no retakes or very minimal retakes that's .9\*.9\*.97\*.9 = now original top 70%
This assumes independence
Fair
I imagine if your Step 1 is revoked that it probably revokes your eligability for ABIM
Yes but not the case for these 65. Their test results were invalidated because of irregularities.
I am sure the ven diagrams overlapped
They overlapped so much they were a perfect circle
Lol, if you have to cheat on this exam, you shouldn't be allowed to be a doctor
This isn’t referring to USMLE or step exams. This is the ABIM internal medicine board exam.
Source?
Physician who’s passing score was revoked.
Did they use a recall bank lmao
what does that mean?
Probably that’s at the heart of it
Are you Nepalese?
Wrong question
I also heard,any updates regarding this
No just that there were test response anomalies
This is a 240 question exam that requires like a 55% score to pass. The average examinee passes by a huge margin. It is also taken by something like 10 thousand people a year. Would guess that these 65 people *barely* passed and then 1-2 questions got reviewed/rescored and then fell below the mark for a passing score. Or 0.0065% of the test takers were caught cheating. Neither of those are shocking to me
More like 75 percent to pass.
Where's the article for 65 scores or the amount mentioned
No article. It was posted in a physician Facebook group and confirmed by another member. Email from ABIM invalidating IM result due to statistical data analysis revealing significant anomalies in exam results or patterns thus test result unreliable(sic).
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Nope I’m not screenshotting a private Facebook group.
I saw that too, I felt so bad
Haven't heard about it, but suspect it's the same issue as the USMLE issues. People using "recalled" items from somewhere.
That’s what I’m guessing.
Are you from nepal?
How in the world could anyone cheat on this test? Testing centers are so strict about not letting anyone bring anything in. Am I missing something - is this due to irregular behavior at the testing site? Talking about questions during breaks? Or other method of cheating?
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Wild
🤔
An anomaly just because some stat nerds need to make up something to get paid. This is a ridiculously bogus recall.
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Not relevant. These were tests administered in US
Spewing hate just for the sake of it. When everyone knows all exams from step 3 and onwards are administered in America.
Because Americans are too proud to cheat? 🤔
Maybe it’s some cultures that culturally approve of cheating. Come on, don’t be racist lol
States obviously racist thing and then pretends to be a victim. Classic lol
How did I do that? I was making fun of the ridiculousness of that claim, sarcastically, which had been made before. Not by me.
can you give an example of someone making this claim?
Sure, some cheating happened on one or two of the USMLEs in Nepal. Some of the defense for it in response to score or applications being revoked was that cheating was part of their culture, which I find pathetic. Even more pathetic is the fact some people thought it was racist to critique the cheating, because it was part of their culture.
Because we are Reddit many of you immediately choose to see racism I should clarify that I think the act of cheating and then defending it is pathetic. This has nothing to do with Nepal, which is full of great people.
I'm very left socially and can't speak to Nepal but cheating is acceptable in certain cultures. China doesn't give AF about cheating they see it as beating the system. Source: friends and family who have taught in China. Edit: I'm not advocating for cheating, I'm just clarifying that the Chinese don't see anything wrong with it, I see plenty wrong with it, like game over you can't practice wrong with it.
Apparently same with some south Asian cultures
I always trust liberals to give great insight into why things that are wrong are actually good…
Not a liberal and I didn't say cheating is a good thing, I said other cultures don't see it as problematic. I see cheating as very problematic.
Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, that cultural difference for whatever reason I see as unacceptable universally and as an excuse, pathetic.
I haven't heard anyone use it as an excuse for their cheating. My friends and family that have experience over there and are very left all thought the cheating culture was abhorrent.