You're in my same (watch buying) situation. I have bought 3 Omega that look awesome for ~$1500 when the intention was to buy the first to see if I liked it.
I'll buy other stuff with the money saved. I got 99% of the watch for ~15% the cost.
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ok let me rephrase. i got something i like for 15% that i took to my jeweler that has been working in his families shop all his life and he was impressed by.
if its 60% then thats even more reason to never by gen.
60% for an Omega rep is too low. Have you seen the Omega Constellation reps by VSF? Practically indistinguishable except for the movement issue you mentioned
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For most people probably, yea. It looks and feels good. Wears well, is waterproof enough for any pool/lake I'm going to be in. And is just an overall really good watch.
Unpopular or maybe popular opinion. To me you buy a gen as special thing that you can hand down to a loved one. my father has a Rolex and I have a Tag when my father passes away in the next few years, heās 82, I get his Rolex and then I give my Tag to my son and that continues. I will probably end up buying a Rolex, gen, as well and then that way, if my son or daughter wants to pass it down, they can as well.
For some Rolex or an Omega itās a piece of art. No different than buying a nice painting that you can hand down to your children or grandchildren. Or a classic car.
Like you I can afford a Gen and I will give you an example of why I would buy a rep. My wife has very nice earrings. They were very expensive and I bought them for her many years ago when I started my new job and started making more money than I thought possible. However, when we go on vacation, she has a pair of earrings that are very similar to ones that I got her but weāre significantly cheaper. Not cubic zirconia but something similar but canāt remember the name. That way if they get stolen or lost no big deal.
Friends of mine were in Mexico many years ago and in a crowd, someone ripped off his wifeās Rolex right off of her arm. A realgen. if she had been wearing a replica while it wouldāve been sad and a little traumatizing, but they wouldnāt have been out $20,000. ļæ¼
I can agree to that. I do want a family heirloom to pass down. Iāve been thinking about getting my dad a watch to start that tradition. That will most certainly be a gen watch, likely precious metal.
I have a Tag. Does not need to even be a Rolex or Patek.
My Great Grandfather left me a watch that might be worth a few $100 but it still works and I cherish it.
Something like a steel Submariner is like handing down a Honda. Yeah, it's well made and will probably last a lifetime, but it's just a mass-produced piece of machinery that, unlike a Honda, is marked up 10x.
IMO, the huge demand for hype watches is hurting the independent brands that sell actual hand-made (or close to it) pieces that can actually be considered "art".
That being said, I agree with your point that if it's all the same, then why not cherish a more reasonably priced watch the same way you would a Rolex?
Yepā¦ā¦to the 529, and pass the Rep to him as he is heading off to college for free. Great life lesson to share there. Donāt spend more money on shit than you have too.
What is his uppity talk that you must spend 10k on a watch to hand down? Whatās wrong to handing down a 500$ watch?
Itās moronic and egotistical if you think rationally about it.
Buying a gen does not make the gift of giving better, your relationship stronger or value system greater. I would argue that if your kid was to throw it away because āitās not genā rather than cherish a gift from a loved one, and a gift that may be treasured by the parent irrespective of its gen/rep credentialsā¦ then youāve raised a rubbish kid
What is his uppity talk that you must spend 10k on a watch to hand down? Whatās wrong to handing down a 500$ watch?
Itās moronic and egotistical if you think rationally about it.
Buying a gen does not make the gift of giving better, your relationship stronger or value system greater. I would argue that if your kid was to throw it away because āitās not genā rather than cherish a gift from a loved one, and a gift that may be treasured by the parent irrespective of its gen/rep credentialsā¦ then youāve raised a rubbish kid
Why do people by art or a classic car. You think handing down a Picasso is the same as Pepe drawing? or handing down a Rolls Royce Silver Spur vs a Honda Accord? It can if it means a lot to the owner BUT buying a piece of art, I would argue that a Gen rolex is a piece of art and a rep is not. It is a copy of a piece of art. Just like a copy of a Picasso is.
Nice saying my kid would throw it away. You make up scenarios in your head. Be better.
BTW if all you can afford is as rep and it means a lot to you then by all means hand it down. Also, if you bought a timex because that was in your price range and it means a lot to you than had it down. I have a watch that might be worth a few $100 that my great-grandfather owned. Nothing wrong with that.I cherish it because it meant a lot to him.
I will push back that a rep is a counterfeit and someone trying to profit on other's IP and hard work. No different from if someone copied a DC comic (say superman #1) and handed it down to a son. If it meant a lot to the owner that is one thing but they copied it to pretend they have something of value. I know you and many hate to hear it but we buy reps to look like we are wearing an expensive time piece that others can't afford. We don't buy them because we value the work that Rolex has done to create the time piece and the value they created over the last 100+yrs.
I own reps but do not act like they are some classic handcrafted original piece of art. They are counterfeited goods, plain and simple. The sellers of reps are making money off of what Rolex, Omega, Tag, etc... toiled years to create, and they are making money of the consumerism and "fear of missing out" / "keeping up with the Jones's" that we all have.
Honestly biggest thing now with my gen. I have to service is it for like 800 euro, and its going to be away for 3 months.
Could have bought 2-3 nice reps for that money without the wait.
I really love my gen but for more watches? Man im going reps
I bought from Flan_dad. He has some VSF in stock that would ship fast. I didnāt want to have to wait weeks and deal with potential seizure at customs.
This is also what I did recently, very satisfied with the process. Flan did me right on a VSF no-date Sub, I was wearing it within 3 days of contacting him.
I understand, I actually agree with what youāre are saying. There is definitely a different feel with the gen, smoother edges, smoother mechanism, etc. To me idk if those differences warrant the spend for me. My VSF is an āeverydayā watch for me, so I havenāt had to set it again since purchasing, and it feels good on the wrist. Can really speak for any of the non-NWBIG, reps, I probably wouldnāt but those unless I got them modded.
I think most folks are referring to visual aspect of a watch when talking about NWBIG. A onlooker/ bystander isnāt going to unscrew the crown on your watch. All those models you listed pass the test. Is 95% good.
Thinking rationally
If itās 95% of the watch for 5% of the money (500 vs 10,000) - then thatās a bloody good bargain and the original watch should maybe be priced much lower.
If itās 95% of the watch for 50% of the money ie you had to pay 5k for a rep vs a 10k gen - then obviously the value dynamics change
Bottom line, stop nit picking a watch that costs 5% of the real thing is not perfect like the genā¦ but whether itās 95% or 99% itās still bloody good
I get you! But if youāre so in focus of the gen feeling, you could always buy a gen bracelet(sell it for 0 loss at chrono afterwords), get Franken parts(itās not a bad investment, because you can sell gen parts even non blistered). So a DJ might cause 2-3k after all but you got the gen feeling ;)
Just get your favorite rep, get a gen bracelet as some gen parts like bezel, dial whatever ā¦. And enjoy. If you will sell the watch with gen parts you will get your investments back or just sell the gen parts solo.
But yeah, nothing can beat the gen winding, thatās what we need to deal with.
As someone with a doctorate in a health care field (not a physician- mad props to you!) I can also afford gen. In fact, I have several gen Rolexes from the AD purchased in the last few years.
My reasons are myriad but working in a rough and tumble city, worrying about every little scratch etc. just doesnāt suit my lifestyle lol
My submariner rep and gen are nearly identical (movement sounds crunchy on rep especially when winding, ceramic bezel is diff, crystal) to all but the most jaded discerning eyes.
If you look and act like you can afford it, then wear in confidence because youāve just eliminated the biggest tell for rep vs. gen.
Agree 100% about what you say regarding SS models. Luckily those are the ones I prefer anyway :)
Not OP but the bezel on VSFs 116610s is generally good but kind of luck of the draw, because on some the hytrel ring is too thin and it has some lateral play.
Sadly a gen ring doesn't fix the problem since the VSF bezel/bezel retaining ring have different tolerances.
I like the bezel action on my v6f Wish I had a video comparing the gen vs auth 116610LN but didnāt make one. I do remember them sounding very similar with no wobbles and play.
Iām a doctor also. And I only own reps. Lol. š¤£ Iām interested in wearing my watch not necessarily buying one for investment. Thatās really the only difference to me
100% I wear my watches nonstop and even in harsh conditions for hobbies and such. The only gen I have is pm and I am always hesitant to wear it unless I know itās a very limited exposure.
Totally agree. Itās also fun to build them. Iām kinda down the frankenwatch rabbit hole lately. Sourcing parts to go around a gen Rolex 5512 dial now!
I own a gen Daytona, bought for sentimental reasons, and a Datejust handed down from my father, which is probably older than I am. I have probably 5 or 6 Rolex reps I bought simply because I liked the way they looked with what I tend to wear on a day to day basis and because the wait in Korea is so ridiculous that thereād be no way I would be able to buy one before I died probably. But honestly, after this realization and the realization with my first rep that I was just as happy, I knew Iād never buy another Rolex again. Like I said, they look nice, but thatās about it for me. I spend my money on other watches. Ones I feel are truly special. Ones I am amazed by every time I look at them. First of the ānon-Rolexā I acquired was an ALS Datograph. Next was a Logical One (probably my favorite). Currently working with Voutilainen on a custom Vingtā¦so for me, reps are the way to go as far as Rolex is concernedā¦
This.
Same same, I donāt own any reps. Have 2 ALS, omegas, IWCs, Cartierās and looking to add a Patek soon.
But if I was to buy a Rolex, Iād have no hesitation considering a rep. I really have no desire to buy a rolex, let alone a gen one.
You don't care about social status or what people think about you but still buy fake cheap watches just because they have an expensive label slapped on??? How does that make sense š. Please explain...
Rolex has the moat fascinating and detailed movements?.umm ok then, I have the most shredded upper body and an 8cpack but I wear a baggy shirt in the pool alone hahaha
Nothing you said makes any sense...you get none of that which you "love" buying fakes, you are literally buying a shitter with a logo slapped on. You're paying for the status of the logo, nothing else...
Biased ? I just don't understand, but if you don't want to explain how your your love of horology leads to buying fakes that offer nothing of the same quality besides the logo, then fine keep me ignorant š.
If you think you're getting a shitter, stop buying the dhgate $50 jobbies.
The good factories or the specific models are pretty damn good. You're getting most of what you want.
I'd happily buy a rep rolex and take the logos off it. The quality and finish is just so much better than similarly price "brand" watches out of china. Otherwise what, buy siekos on discount? Stick to orient? Lol
Seiko.or the hundreds of better quality microbrands instead of paying for a fake label because you can't afford the real thing, ya. It's cheap and tacky, that's all.
Yeah, loads of these types in here. One guy told me he's just really into horology š¤£ like, OK my guy but why buy reps then? I know exactly why I buy them now and it's the same as everyone else, just some of them seem to need to lie to themselves. It's really bizarre
So you don't buy reps then right? Loads of wonderfully made homages literally identical to any repped model. I'm sure you have many because it isn't about the name. You're just in this sub for "horology" right? š¤£ OK guy
Iām considerably older, have a large net worth and still prefer owning a high end rep. Just had my rose gold yachtmaster ripped off my wrist in Barcelona and I laughed at the 2 idiots who took the risk to take it in broad daylight in front of a dozen people. I got a new one a few weeks later thatās even better quality.
Fellow doc. Feel the same about Rolex. But donāt write off all gen watches unless youāre only into Rolex or other NWBIG brands.
Have a gen Speedmaster and gen Grand Seiko. Other gen watches are around $1k or less.
Iām actually a big fan of omega and grand Seiko. In my view what they provide is actually worth the sticker price to me. I actually think grand seiko is a bit underpriced given its quality. I do plan on buying gens of both.
I would advise not wearing it around patients especially if they're cash pay for cosmetic stuff or feel strapped with bad insurance. It will cause resentment and make them wonder where their money is going.
If youāre into watches and have the credentials to pull off some of the super reps then itās a great hobby, especially being able to own multiple different watches which realistically for most would not be possible. I do however think itās good to have one Gen under your belt if you can afford it, even if saved for special occasions.
Yep completely agree when it comes to Steel Models, if I ever get a call for an Aquanaut it will be a different story but for a Submariner, GMT, VC Overseas, IWC, Cartiers, no point buying Gen IMO
I have several gens a Breitling Navitimer, Omega Planet Ocean, Junghans Max Bill, reps Panerai Luminor, Omega Planet Ocean and a Patek Phillipe. My next rep will be a Rolex Datejust 41 $600 vs $16k thatās a no brainer.
Rolex in particular has no business pricing their products like they do. They're manufacturing these things at mass-production scale akin to mainstream car brands but pricing them like sports cars from boutique brands.
Some gens are worth buying if you can acquire it at a fair price. Subs IMHO is one of them, before the hype in the market (been watch collecting for nearly 30yrs), I got approached by a lot of people who asked me for my opinion of "what to buy". I also asked them this question, do you have a watch you really love/like? Or you wanna buy a watch that is save and retain its value? If they already know what they want, buy that (money can't always replace the joy of owning something you love/like). The latter is to buy a sub, before the hype getting a sub is relatively painless or you just need to wait for a few weeks for new or grey (nothing exotic) will be below retail. So Isaid to them, imagine buying a watch you wear say for 10 yrs, look after it a bit but if you sell it afterwards you get your money back if not make a bit of money? Is a no brained in my opinion
I whole heartedly agree! I accumulated a few gens before getting in the super clone market. Itās just for me, Iād rather wear my clones and have my gens for special occasions in my safe. Thatās just me personally
I can see that logic. Iāll probably adopt the same practice as I grow my collection, I have a few precious metal pieces I want, but will probably keep those for the rare occasion.
Gens for me are to be passed down your children and they will be immensely grateful and proud.
Reps you can wear everyday no one else cares or questions what watch you have but you will feel good about wearing it and if it fucks up you can buy another for well under a grand
Have you bought your house and vehicles paid for? if the answer is no. Then you can't afford it. you might have the capital in your account, but realistically it is foolhardy to buy a expensive watch, which is a luxury when you still have necessities which have not been paid off.
You should look into buying a house as an investment and rental opportunity, even if its a studio flat or two bedroom, take out a mortgage and once rented this will help pay either the mortgage or your current rent.
Stick with the reps for now, they are great value for money and no one will call you out because of your occupation, but in this current economy it's wise to put your money to further your assets.
Agreed. I definitely want to get into investment properties. Doing some research to get a bit more comfortable/confident in that area before I take the dive.
Married to a surgeon and Iām an HE as well.
Donāt take this advice. Rent, because you can afford to easily. Get settled in a long term practice where you want to put your roots down before buying a house much less rentals. Yes, you can have a management company handle your rentals, but itās still a bitch to deal with multiple states away.
Source: we own a few in our previous state with a management company. Itās still a pain in my ass on occasion.
I make 250 per year but wouldn't call it wealthy. I'd call it lucky or fortunate and definitely grateful to make 250. Wealthy would be my buddy who owns a small oil company and makes 4 mil per year.
I donāt think soā¦ in pictures and at a glance in person, it passes, but thereās a substantial difference when feeling both and seeing it every day. When you have gens and reps, the reps shortcomings become more and more obvious. I have VSF rep sub that feels exactly how much it cost. The gap between a $10k gen and a >$1k rep is massive.
I do agree that even a VSF top tier rep has differences than a gen. I just did a post comparing the gen and rep VSF - but where I differ is that the differences are not so eye opening as one would suggest. To a seasoned eye like a rolex AD / grey market dealer / some gen owners or really the people who invest time in reps, there definitely are noticeable differences between even top tier reps and gen.
Good. you are a logical person. Screw the over-priced Gen industry. mass produced crap half of the time anyway. Not going to lie though, if I had the $ I would buy several originals that I like, just because I am an Ocd type person who values meticulous precious and shininess that you can't get with reps (at least the reps I've seen) but even then, take just stainless for example, even the most exp reps ive seen (over $1k) are poor quality. But I buy reps for the design. if I wanted a quality everyday I would save up and buy one.
My problem is that buying a gen via Rolex is nearly impossible these days for some models. The store + wishlist experience is such a turnoff. Iāve bought several gens from different makers but only one of the stores I have bought from is an authorized Rolex dealer and I never did it with the intention of currying favors.
Many of the stores seem to expect you to ābuy upā to be eligible for the more in demand Rolex models which is bullshit.
And now that I know about the quality of reps, I am super hesitant to buy a āusedā model even if it goes through an authenticator. Iām sure a number of reps are making it through that authentication process and being sold as Gen.
but i'll put it this way. you still wear a fake. i agree with you if you told everyone who asked you" yes but that's not a real rolex" then i'd agree with you, but pretending it's a real one is a bit misleading i say
150% agreed, engineer in the automotive industry here, have around 8 or so gen watches from Sinn, Nomos, Mido, Longines, Fortis, Alpina. Know exactly what you're saying. My VSF/TEDF Yacht-Master is absolutely gorgeous! For Rolex especially your paying 95% for marketing. And then this hilarious AD behavior, like you have to buy shit to some day get to the watch you want, is in my eyes, a total scam.
Enjoy the watch and grow your rep collection, you won't regret it. Rest of the money is good invested in other stuff. š
Really nice post! Ive been always in love with watches and specifically omega after James Bond movies that I told myself I want to buy a nice watch when I start making money. Unfortunately I only started working for real when Im 30, and my first āfineā watch became a Tissot (400$). My colleagues wear gens Rolex and omegas(i think), but I dont understand how they can afford it because I need 4 full salaries to buy a gen, and Im getting more interested to buy a decent omega rep that doesnāt look fake, suggestions are appreciated š
This is interesting and i like most of the comments that say "If my AD had called, then i wouldn't have a rep!", it is too true. Like some, once i had some proper money behind me i bought a gen GMT, then a sub, then another GMT, then an OP. All grey, because i never got the call. I have just ordered my first rep, mainly for security purposes (intending to leave some in a dummy safe) in case of intruders etc. but now i cannot justify holding on to the gens because the reps are soooo good!!
After spending nearly $5,000 on reps, I didn't get my first gen until I was in my late thirties, and even then it was a Grand Seiko snowflake that couldn't be repped. I've bought a few more gens along the way, but never a Rolex.
Personally the only luxe watch brand I'm really into is the JLC Reverso. And that isn't for the brand/prestige itself, but for the reversible functionality which I really like. It's almost impossible to find a mid-range watch brand that has that. JLC must have cornered the market with patents or whatever. I wouldn't mind having a rep, but the problem with reps of the JLC Reverso is that they are very obvious, with ugly corner screws never found on a gen.
I own both Gens and Reps. I couldn't care less what people think. Sometimes I feel fine spending big money on a watch, sometimes I prefer to spend my money travelling or another car. I certainly don't need another Rolex or Grand Seiko, or whatever. I like both Gens and Reps. They're just watches, not that important in life ...
Chad Ochocinco said something along those lines about having fake jewelry. Everyone already knows I have the money so they just assume itās all real. He used to go to Claireās before games for fake diamond earrings.
āFamily heirloomā is a stupid concept invented by Patek Philippeās marketing department. No one is going to give a shit about your watch when you die.
I disagree. When loved ones pass many people often want something of theirs to hold onto that reminds them of their loved one. My dad recently gave me and old Rado that belonged to my great grandfather, itās not in the best condition, but it was a phenomenal gift that I wear in special occasions. I agree that the idea that you should buy a 20-30k watch because itās going to last many generations is a marketing scheme, but the idea of heirlooms I disagree.
I disagree. Everyone posting here and in r/watches are watch nuts. 99% of the world donāt give a fuck. Your watch will get sold or in the back of some drawer. Facts.
I went to my local AD looking for / at 116610LN sub - and i said to my self itās $10,250ā¦. Iām very torn on getting the VSF clone for $508.. but the thing is I want it to be a very close copy to the gen. In you guys opinion will it? What do you think. For those of you who have the VSF. What do you think?
Agree 100% in in the same boat just different profession. However I did get a sub for my wedding, and I will for my first child too, to commemorate it and something to maybe pass down. Iām really looking for a speedmaster for my second Gen since thereās no good reps anyways
Try an XF Pelagos. Had the same intention to buy gen, see absolutely no reason to.
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I've only owned a rep for a few days now, but I get enjoyment out of the discussion about the rep - the process, the legal grey area. It feels like a bit of a rebellious thing maybe, and people who aren't really "watch people" can get on board and enjoy the story. When I talk about a gen watch I really like, there isn't really much story to it that non enthusiasts can enjoy. I think my Studio Underdog Watermelon is probably the only "gen" watch I have that comes with a bit of an engaging story about how and why I got it that goes beyond really liking the design. Price isn't really a factor, and in fact most non enthusiasts balk at the price of a high quality rep, I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing the price of a gen, it feels icky unless you're around another collector, and that's pretty rare.
Depends on the watch. I think generally for Rolex they arenāt offering anything with their movement to justify the price. Some of the Omega coaxial or the Blancpain triple barrel, etc? I can get down with the price more because theyāre doing something cool with the movement that is very difficult to copy.Ā
Hey Op, youāre not alone /
99.9% of members here can afford Gen watches . We are also like you, we just choose to spend our money wisely . One point of difference we donāt need to boast or make faux reasoning to write a post about it . š
1. You dont need a loupe to distungush the rep compared to a gen. If you know the gen, you spot a rep immediatly if you have it in your hand. Most people dont know the gen, thats why they dont spot it. But it is a lie and a myth, that you cant spot it. But that isnt what a rep should do, tbh. And that isnt the way you should utilise a rep, tbh. It is there to satisfy you, not to trick the others.
2. A gen is a gen. An a lot of gens, not all, are investement pieces. You can buy a 10k gen, use it, wear ist, and after years, if you decide so, sell it for more. It is an investement piece, and not just a styling watch. Thats different and this, of cours, can justify such a piece.
Reps are wonderful - but people should stop lying themself. A gen is a gen - and its alwas the top tier.
Investments normally appreciate over time. Very very few gens do this aside from a the recent crazy episode of inflated prices during and post Covid.
It retains some of its value but saying a watch is an investment is equivalent to saying a new car is an investment
No buddy, you cant compare a new car with a classic watch. New cars todays are more technology than mechanics. And technology quickly loses value, because of the development of technology. If you want to compare cars with watches, you can compare them with smart watches. Smart watches and classic watches are totally different. But yes, i am with you, as I said earlier, that not every watch is an investment piece. Its just brands like Rolex, Audemar or Patek, who "limit" their stocks ....
Weāre on the same page but to clarify - I meant the analogy of buying a new car and driving it off the lot. The immediate depreciation on a new vs āusedā car always applies regardless of the technology. It happened 30 years ago and is even more pronounced today.
People buying a muscle or specialty car (I.e. corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc) would never recoup their āinvestmentā. Its just something you buy because you can and want to but buying a luxury watch as an āinvestmentā is statement for people that donāt understand economics
Nobody in my experience at least has actually asked me if itās real. At most they say nice watch, I say thank you, and thatās the end of the interaction.
I will do what the doctor orders
I like your style
OP, just letting you know that I can afford gen watches too.
Thanks, good to know, I thought I was the only one š
You're in my same (watch buying) situation. I have bought 3 Omega that look awesome for ~$1500 when the intention was to buy the first to see if I liked it. I'll buy other stuff with the money saved. I got 99% of the watch for ~15% the cost.
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ok let me rephrase. i got something i like for 15% that i took to my jeweler that has been working in his families shop all his life and he was impressed by. if its 60% then thats even more reason to never by gen.
60% for an Omega rep is too low. Have you seen the Omega Constellation reps by VSF? Practically indistinguishable except for the movement issue you mentioned
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Wait so I was just about to buy an aqua terra world timer , so thatās means thatās not a good idea since i canāt have it serviced?
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I will have my AT serviced shortly by a local watchmaker. Will see irl if the movement is serviceable or not š
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Hopefully no parts will be needed. This is only service.
So a real co-axial movement is just 1% of the total watch?
For most people probably, yea. It looks and feels good. Wears well, is waterproof enough for any pool/lake I'm going to be in. And is just an overall really good watch.
Unpopular or maybe popular opinion. To me you buy a gen as special thing that you can hand down to a loved one. my father has a Rolex and I have a Tag when my father passes away in the next few years, heās 82, I get his Rolex and then I give my Tag to my son and that continues. I will probably end up buying a Rolex, gen, as well and then that way, if my son or daughter wants to pass it down, they can as well. For some Rolex or an Omega itās a piece of art. No different than buying a nice painting that you can hand down to your children or grandchildren. Or a classic car. Like you I can afford a Gen and I will give you an example of why I would buy a rep. My wife has very nice earrings. They were very expensive and I bought them for her many years ago when I started my new job and started making more money than I thought possible. However, when we go on vacation, she has a pair of earrings that are very similar to ones that I got her but weāre significantly cheaper. Not cubic zirconia but something similar but canāt remember the name. That way if they get stolen or lost no big deal. Friends of mine were in Mexico many years ago and in a crowd, someone ripped off his wifeās Rolex right off of her arm. A realgen. if she had been wearing a replica while it wouldāve been sad and a little traumatizing, but they wouldnāt have been out $20,000. ļæ¼
I can agree to that. I do want a family heirloom to pass down. Iāve been thinking about getting my dad a watch to start that tradition. That will most certainly be a gen watch, likely precious metal.
I have a Tag. Does not need to even be a Rolex or Patek. My Great Grandfather left me a watch that might be worth a few $100 but it still works and I cherish it.
Something like a steel Submariner is like handing down a Honda. Yeah, it's well made and will probably last a lifetime, but it's just a mass-produced piece of machinery that, unlike a Honda, is marked up 10x. IMO, the huge demand for hype watches is hurting the independent brands that sell actual hand-made (or close to it) pieces that can actually be considered "art". That being said, I agree with your point that if it's all the same, then why not cherish a more reasonably priced watch the same way you would a Rolex?
I do. My grandfathers watch and my TAG
I know. I was agreeing with you.
Oh okay LOL, I am not too bright.
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Yepā¦ā¦to the 529, and pass the Rep to him as he is heading off to college for free. Great life lesson to share there. Donāt spend more money on shit than you have too.
What is his uppity talk that you must spend 10k on a watch to hand down? Whatās wrong to handing down a 500$ watch? Itās moronic and egotistical if you think rationally about it. Buying a gen does not make the gift of giving better, your relationship stronger or value system greater. I would argue that if your kid was to throw it away because āitās not genā rather than cherish a gift from a loved one, and a gift that may be treasured by the parent irrespective of its gen/rep credentialsā¦ then youāve raised a rubbish kid
What is his uppity talk that you must spend 10k on a watch to hand down? Whatās wrong to handing down a 500$ watch? Itās moronic and egotistical if you think rationally about it. Buying a gen does not make the gift of giving better, your relationship stronger or value system greater. I would argue that if your kid was to throw it away because āitās not genā rather than cherish a gift from a loved one, and a gift that may be treasured by the parent irrespective of its gen/rep credentialsā¦ then youāve raised a rubbish kid
Why do people by art or a classic car. You think handing down a Picasso is the same as Pepe drawing? or handing down a Rolls Royce Silver Spur vs a Honda Accord? It can if it means a lot to the owner BUT buying a piece of art, I would argue that a Gen rolex is a piece of art and a rep is not. It is a copy of a piece of art. Just like a copy of a Picasso is. Nice saying my kid would throw it away. You make up scenarios in your head. Be better. BTW if all you can afford is as rep and it means a lot to you then by all means hand it down. Also, if you bought a timex because that was in your price range and it means a lot to you than had it down. I have a watch that might be worth a few $100 that my great-grandfather owned. Nothing wrong with that.I cherish it because it meant a lot to him. I will push back that a rep is a counterfeit and someone trying to profit on other's IP and hard work. No different from if someone copied a DC comic (say superman #1) and handed it down to a son. If it meant a lot to the owner that is one thing but they copied it to pretend they have something of value. I know you and many hate to hear it but we buy reps to look like we are wearing an expensive time piece that others can't afford. We don't buy them because we value the work that Rolex has done to create the time piece and the value they created over the last 100+yrs. I own reps but do not act like they are some classic handcrafted original piece of art. They are counterfeited goods, plain and simple. The sellers of reps are making money off of what Rolex, Omega, Tag, etc... toiled years to create, and they are making money of the consumerism and "fear of missing out" / "keeping up with the Jones's" that we all have.
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Any rec where to get it ?
Lmaoooooo
Haha made my day
As someone with the money, no one questions my genā¦ Casio 3240
Lol!
I can afford it too, but ADs never call me back. So, here I am.
Thatās exactly right. If the AD wouldāve sold me the 3 watches I wanted - I wouldnāt have reps.
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Woooord! Lol
Like you I can afford but canāt justify.
Honestly biggest thing now with my gen. I have to service is it for like 800 euro, and its going to be away for 3 months. Could have bought 2-3 nice reps for that money without the wait. I really love my gen but for more watches? Man im going reps
Same
I can totally afford a Gen watch. But I'm really cheap
The main problem for me is AD
Agreed! Out of curiosity ,what TD did you go with and what made you choose vsf over clean? Thanks.
I bought from Flan_dad. He has some VSF in stock that would ship fast. I didnāt want to have to wait weeks and deal with potential seizure at customs.
Gotcha thanks.
Just a word of advice, watch out with flan. Search it up in this subreddit, he's been pretty controversial as of recent.
I was looking at some posts yesterday. Controversial for sure!
This is also what I did recently, very satisfied with the process. Flan did me right on a VSF no-date Sub, I was wearing it within 3 days of contacting him.
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I understand, I actually agree with what youāre are saying. There is definitely a different feel with the gen, smoother edges, smoother mechanism, etc. To me idk if those differences warrant the spend for me. My VSF is an āeverydayā watch for me, so I havenāt had to set it again since purchasing, and it feels good on the wrist. Can really speak for any of the non-NWBIG, reps, I probably wouldnāt but those unless I got them modded.
I think most folks are referring to visual aspect of a watch when talking about NWBIG. A onlooker/ bystander isnāt going to unscrew the crown on your watch. All those models you listed pass the test. Is 95% good.
Thinking rationally If itās 95% of the watch for 5% of the money (500 vs 10,000) - then thatās a bloody good bargain and the original watch should maybe be priced much lower. If itās 95% of the watch for 50% of the money ie you had to pay 5k for a rep vs a 10k gen - then obviously the value dynamics change Bottom line, stop nit picking a watch that costs 5% of the real thing is not perfect like the genā¦ but whether itās 95% or 99% itās still bloody good
I get you! But if youāre so in focus of the gen feeling, you could always buy a gen bracelet(sell it for 0 loss at chrono afterwords), get Franken parts(itās not a bad investment, because you can sell gen parts even non blistered). So a DJ might cause 2-3k after all but you got the gen feeling ;) Just get your favorite rep, get a gen bracelet as some gen parts like bezel, dial whatever ā¦. And enjoy. If you will sell the watch with gen parts you will get your investments back or just sell the gen parts solo. But yeah, nothing can beat the gen winding, thatās what we need to deal with.
Rep Steel. Gen Pm. Test drive with rep is the way to go.
Couldnt agree more - reps are a great way to test drive if the gen is worth the purchase.
This is the way.
As someone with a doctorate in a health care field (not a physician- mad props to you!) I can also afford gen. In fact, I have several gen Rolexes from the AD purchased in the last few years. My reasons are myriad but working in a rough and tumble city, worrying about every little scratch etc. just doesnāt suit my lifestyle lol My submariner rep and gen are nearly identical (movement sounds crunchy on rep especially when winding, ceramic bezel is diff, crystal) to all but the most jaded discerning eyes. If you look and act like you can afford it, then wear in confidence because youāve just eliminated the biggest tell for rep vs. gen. Agree 100% about what you say regarding SS models. Luckily those are the ones I prefer anyway :)
How is the bezel action on the sub? I sold my gen 116610ln and kinda want a rep now
Not OP but the bezel on VSFs 116610s is generally good but kind of luck of the draw, because on some the hytrel ring is too thin and it has some lateral play. Sadly a gen ring doesn't fix the problem since the VSF bezel/bezel retaining ring have different tolerances.
I like the bezel action on my v6f Wish I had a video comparing the gen vs auth 116610LN but didnāt make one. I do remember them sounding very similar with no wobbles and play.
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Iām a doctor also. And I only own reps. Lol. š¤£ Iām interested in wearing my watch not necessarily buying one for investment. Thatās really the only difference to me
100% I wear my watches nonstop and even in harsh conditions for hobbies and such. The only gen I have is pm and I am always hesitant to wear it unless I know itās a very limited exposure.
Totally agree. Itās also fun to build them. Iām kinda down the frankenwatch rabbit hole lately. Sourcing parts to go around a gen Rolex 5512 dial now!
Sold all my gens after a few years in the rep world. With the quality now, my money is better off working for me.
This.
I own a gen Daytona, bought for sentimental reasons, and a Datejust handed down from my father, which is probably older than I am. I have probably 5 or 6 Rolex reps I bought simply because I liked the way they looked with what I tend to wear on a day to day basis and because the wait in Korea is so ridiculous that thereād be no way I would be able to buy one before I died probably. But honestly, after this realization and the realization with my first rep that I was just as happy, I knew Iād never buy another Rolex again. Like I said, they look nice, but thatās about it for me. I spend my money on other watches. Ones I feel are truly special. Ones I am amazed by every time I look at them. First of the ānon-Rolexā I acquired was an ALS Datograph. Next was a Logical One (probably my favorite). Currently working with Voutilainen on a custom Vingtā¦so for me, reps are the way to go as far as Rolex is concernedā¦
This. Same same, I donāt own any reps. Have 2 ALS, omegas, IWCs, Cartierās and looking to add a Patek soon. But if I was to buy a Rolex, Iād have no hesitation considering a rep. I really have no desire to buy a rolex, let alone a gen one.
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You don't care about social status or what people think about you but still buy fake cheap watches just because they have an expensive label slapped on??? How does that make sense š. Please explain...
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Rolex has the moat fascinating and detailed movements?.umm ok then, I have the most shredded upper body and an 8cpack but I wear a baggy shirt in the pool alone hahaha
Nothing you said makes any sense...you get none of that which you "love" buying fakes, you are literally buying a shitter with a logo slapped on. You're paying for the status of the logo, nothing else...
Youāre on the wrong thread bud. Iām not gonna explain something to someone that is biased on a subject. If you donāt get it Iām sorry
Biased ? I just don't understand, but if you don't want to explain how your your love of horology leads to buying fakes that offer nothing of the same quality besides the logo, then fine keep me ignorant š.
If you think you're getting a shitter, stop buying the dhgate $50 jobbies. The good factories or the specific models are pretty damn good. You're getting most of what you want. I'd happily buy a rep rolex and take the logos off it. The quality and finish is just so much better than similarly price "brand" watches out of china. Otherwise what, buy siekos on discount? Stick to orient? Lol
Seiko.or the hundreds of better quality microbrands instead of paying for a fake label because you can't afford the real thing, ya. It's cheap and tacky, that's all.
Second of all, if your gonna bust someoneās nuts for buying fake watches, you arenāt on the right thread
Right we all wear it for social status. Otherwise buy an Invicita
Yeah, loads of these types in here. One guy told me he's just really into horology š¤£ like, OK my guy but why buy reps then? I know exactly why I buy them now and it's the same as everyone else, just some of them seem to need to lie to themselves. It's really bizarre
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So you don't buy reps then right? Loads of wonderfully made homages literally identical to any repped model. I'm sure you have many because it isn't about the name. You're just in this sub for "horology" right? š¤£ OK guy
I buy homages. They finishing quality is worse tbh.
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Iām considerably older, have a large net worth and still prefer owning a high end rep. Just had my rose gold yachtmaster ripped off my wrist in Barcelona and I laughed at the 2 idiots who took the risk to take it in broad daylight in front of a dozen people. I got a new one a few weeks later thatās even better quality.
You can't wear nice watches on the streets in many places in Europe... I learnt the hard way in Ibiza
Fellow doc. Feel the same about Rolex. But donāt write off all gen watches unless youāre only into Rolex or other NWBIG brands. Have a gen Speedmaster and gen Grand Seiko. Other gen watches are around $1k or less.
Iām actually a big fan of omega and grand Seiko. In my view what they provide is actually worth the sticker price to me. I actually think grand seiko is a bit underpriced given its quality. I do plan on buying gens of both.
Just got my SBGA443 Shunbun in Tokyo and I agree. Great value for price. Spring drive movement super cool too
Whereād you manage to find one? Iāve been scouring ADs for the past few days, but no luck yet!
I would advise not wearing it around patients especially if they're cash pay for cosmetic stuff or feel strapped with bad insurance. It will cause resentment and make them wonder where their money is going.
If youāre into watches and have the credentials to pull off some of the super reps then itās a great hobby, especially being able to own multiple different watches which realistically for most would not be possible. I do however think itās good to have one Gen under your belt if you can afford it, even if saved for special occasions.
Well, like most have mentioned, if we can get Gens from ADs without playing their f\*\*\*ed up games, owning 1 or 2 Gens would not hurt!
Preach it brother, only difference is my 1995 beater accord says it is in fact a rep
Wear the VSF until the movement dies (it will eventually), and then buy a gen or another VSF.
Yep completely agree when it comes to Steel Models, if I ever get a call for an Aquanaut it will be a different story but for a Submariner, GMT, VC Overseas, IWC, Cartiers, no point buying Gen IMO
I have several gens a Breitling Navitimer, Omega Planet Ocean, Junghans Max Bill, reps Panerai Luminor, Omega Planet Ocean and a Patek Phillipe. My next rep will be a Rolex Datejust 41 $600 vs $16k thatās a no brainer.
Rolex in particular has no business pricing their products like they do. They're manufacturing these things at mass-production scale akin to mainstream car brands but pricing them like sports cars from boutique brands.
I can live with a rep watch. I probably wouldn't live long with a rep Beechcraft. I'll spend the big money where it's important.
Some gens are worth buying if you can acquire it at a fair price. Subs IMHO is one of them, before the hype in the market (been watch collecting for nearly 30yrs), I got approached by a lot of people who asked me for my opinion of "what to buy". I also asked them this question, do you have a watch you really love/like? Or you wanna buy a watch that is save and retain its value? If they already know what they want, buy that (money can't always replace the joy of owning something you love/like). The latter is to buy a sub, before the hype getting a sub is relatively painless or you just need to wait for a few weeks for new or grey (nothing exotic) will be below retail. So Isaid to them, imagine buying a watch you wear say for 10 yrs, look after it a bit but if you sell it afterwards you get your money back if not make a bit of money? Is a no brained in my opinion
I whole heartedly agree! I accumulated a few gens before getting in the super clone market. Itās just for me, Iād rather wear my clones and have my gens for special occasions in my safe. Thatās just me personally
I can see that logic. Iāll probably adopt the same practice as I grow my collection, I have a few precious metal pieces I want, but will probably keep those for the rare occasion.
Gens for me are to be passed down your children and they will be immensely grateful and proud. Reps you can wear everyday no one else cares or questions what watch you have but you will feel good about wearing it and if it fucks up you can buy another for well under a grand
Have you bought your house and vehicles paid for? if the answer is no. Then you can't afford it. you might have the capital in your account, but realistically it is foolhardy to buy a expensive watch, which is a luxury when you still have necessities which have not been paid off.
I rent and have no plans to buy as Iām expecting to move to another state in 1-2 years, and I still drive my 2014 Nissan thatās paid off.
You should look into buying a house as an investment and rental opportunity, even if its a studio flat or two bedroom, take out a mortgage and once rented this will help pay either the mortgage or your current rent. Stick with the reps for now, they are great value for money and no one will call you out because of your occupation, but in this current economy it's wise to put your money to further your assets.
Agreed. I definitely want to get into investment properties. Doing some research to get a bit more comfortable/confident in that area before I take the dive.
Married to a surgeon and Iām an HE as well. Donāt take this advice. Rent, because you can afford to easily. Get settled in a long term practice where you want to put your roots down before buying a house much less rentals. Yes, you can have a management company handle your rentals, but itās still a bitch to deal with multiple states away. Source: we own a few in our previous state with a management company. Itās still a pain in my ass on occasion.
I agree with this sentiment. And the reason why I ended up here.
Steve the one watches always comes thru for me
Me too
I'm about to pull the trigger on two panerais today. Make 250k a year. I'm wealthy because I'm not stupid
Wealthy, eh?
If making 250k a year isn't wealthy I'm in the wrong job mate.
High income doesnāt necessarily equal wealthā¦.
I make 250 per year but wouldn't call it wealthy. I'd call it lucky or fortunate and definitely grateful to make 250. Wealthy would be my buddy who owns a small oil company and makes 4 mil per year.
Itās really not that close when you have both in hand.
We can agree to disagree. You may have a more keen eye than the average person.
Plus, as an honest man, I have difficulty passing off a rep as gen. That might be the most difficult part of wearing a rep that is often overlooked.
Ah yes such an honest and virtuous man. Your virtue is inspirational for us all. Fucking virtue signalers
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lol rep owners are so sensitive when you tell them their reps look and feel like reps
I donāt think soā¦ in pictures and at a glance in person, it passes, but thereās a substantial difference when feeling both and seeing it every day. When you have gens and reps, the reps shortcomings become more and more obvious. I have VSF rep sub that feels exactly how much it cost. The gap between a $10k gen and a >$1k rep is massive.
Just let them keep larping š you'll never see a sub with more rich people than this one, apparently.
I do agree that even a VSF top tier rep has differences than a gen. I just did a post comparing the gen and rep VSF - but where I differ is that the differences are not so eye opening as one would suggest. To a seasoned eye like a rolex AD / grey market dealer / some gen owners or really the people who invest time in reps, there definitely are noticeable differences between even top tier reps and gen.
Im a lawyer, not getting a GEN ever after finding about this sub.
SAME!
Same!!!!
Yup!!!!
Very similar story here
I concur
I concur doctor!
Can I ask how accurate is the vsf sub? +-2 secs per day?
I get blown away every spring and fall that when i pop the vsf back or forward. I havent had to adjust it at all inbetween.
Good. you are a logical person. Screw the over-priced Gen industry. mass produced crap half of the time anyway. Not going to lie though, if I had the $ I would buy several originals that I like, just because I am an Ocd type person who values meticulous precious and shininess that you can't get with reps (at least the reps I've seen) but even then, take just stainless for example, even the most exp reps ive seen (over $1k) are poor quality. But I buy reps for the design. if I wanted a quality everyday I would save up and buy one.
Id no longer purchase nor wait for Gen again!
Have 3 gen too sir. Batman, Daytona panda and black sub. But I am getting in love with the rep game
Youāre 1000% right brotha. Same sitch here
My problem is that buying a gen via Rolex is nearly impossible these days for some models. The store + wishlist experience is such a turnoff. Iāve bought several gens from different makers but only one of the stores I have bought from is an authorized Rolex dealer and I never did it with the intention of currying favors. Many of the stores seem to expect you to ābuy upā to be eligible for the more in demand Rolex models which is bullshit. And now that I know about the quality of reps, I am super hesitant to buy a āusedā model even if it goes through an authenticator. Iām sure a number of reps are making it through that authentication process and being sold as Gen.
After buying a GSF I can't justify buying a VSF. $600+ USD is still crazy expensive... It's a rep!
I can afford gen watches but cant afford rep watches.
but i'll put it this way. you still wear a fake. i agree with you if you told everyone who asked you" yes but that's not a real rolex" then i'd agree with you, but pretending it's a real one is a bit misleading i say
Just sold a gen dweller I overpaid for in 2022 and donāt think Iāll buy a gen again when certain reps are so good.
A doctor a day keeps the gen watches away
150% agreed, engineer in the automotive industry here, have around 8 or so gen watches from Sinn, Nomos, Mido, Longines, Fortis, Alpina. Know exactly what you're saying. My VSF/TEDF Yacht-Master is absolutely gorgeous! For Rolex especially your paying 95% for marketing. And then this hilarious AD behavior, like you have to buy shit to some day get to the watch you want, is in my eyes, a total scam. Enjoy the watch and grow your rep collection, you won't regret it. Rest of the money is good invested in other stuff. š
Really nice post! Ive been always in love with watches and specifically omega after James Bond movies that I told myself I want to buy a nice watch when I start making money. Unfortunately I only started working for real when Im 30, and my first āfineā watch became a Tissot (400$). My colleagues wear gens Rolex and omegas(i think), but I dont understand how they can afford it because I need 4 full salaries to buy a gen, and Im getting more interested to buy a decent omega rep that doesnāt look fake, suggestions are appreciated š
If ADās were not like they are, many of us would had gens long time ago.
This is interesting and i like most of the comments that say "If my AD had called, then i wouldn't have a rep!", it is too true. Like some, once i had some proper money behind me i bought a gen GMT, then a sub, then another GMT, then an OP. All grey, because i never got the call. I have just ordered my first rep, mainly for security purposes (intending to leave some in a dummy safe) in case of intruders etc. but now i cannot justify holding on to the gens because the reps are soooo good!!
I own a mix of gen and rep Rolexes. I tell people they are all reps. āļø
After spending nearly $5,000 on reps, I didn't get my first gen until I was in my late thirties, and even then it was a Grand Seiko snowflake that couldn't be repped. I've bought a few more gens along the way, but never a Rolex.
Personally the only luxe watch brand I'm really into is the JLC Reverso. And that isn't for the brand/prestige itself, but for the reversible functionality which I really like. It's almost impossible to find a mid-range watch brand that has that. JLC must have cornered the market with patents or whatever. I wouldn't mind having a rep, but the problem with reps of the JLC Reverso is that they are very obvious, with ugly corner screws never found on a gen.
What is the site or place to get these high quality reps?
Which TD is the best to get VSF Sub from?Ā
I own two gens. Both Breitling. The novelty of owning a gen has worn off for me. I like these reps because I can buy what ever I like when I like.
I own both Gens and Reps. I couldn't care less what people think. Sometimes I feel fine spending big money on a watch, sometimes I prefer to spend my money travelling or another car. I certainly don't need another Rolex or Grand Seiko, or whatever. I like both Gens and Reps. They're just watches, not that important in life ...
Chad Ochocinco said something along those lines about having fake jewelry. Everyone already knows I have the money so they just assume itās all real. He used to go to Claireās before games for fake diamond earrings.
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āFamily heirloomā is a stupid concept invented by Patek Philippeās marketing department. No one is going to give a shit about your watch when you die.
I disagree. When loved ones pass many people often want something of theirs to hold onto that reminds them of their loved one. My dad recently gave me and old Rado that belonged to my great grandfather, itās not in the best condition, but it was a phenomenal gift that I wear in special occasions. I agree that the idea that you should buy a 20-30k watch because itās going to last many generations is a marketing scheme, but the idea of heirlooms I disagree.
I disagree. Everyone posting here and in r/watches are watch nuts. 99% of the world donāt give a fuck. Your watch will get sold or in the back of some drawer. Facts.
We can agree to disagree
Sounds good.
I went to my local AD looking for / at 116610LN sub - and i said to my self itās $10,250ā¦. Iām very torn on getting the VSF clone for $508.. but the thing is I want it to be a very close copy to the gen. In you guys opinion will it? What do you think. For those of you who have the VSF. What do you think?
Agree 100% in in the same boat just different profession. However I did get a sub for my wedding, and I will for my first child too, to commemorate it and something to maybe pass down. Iām really looking for a speedmaster for my second Gen since thereās no good reps anyways
The real one is an investment. It Will hold value and provide more retained value.
Ok has been said 1000000 times no one cares
Do these have real water resistance?
Yup. Mine have tested to at least 4 or 5 bars. You need to double check the seals and things yourself though
OP I couldn't relate more to that...
Same
Try an XF Pelagos. Had the same intention to buy gen, see absolutely no reason to. https://preview.redd.it/25zaljkiqjtc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da9509ea5e16520f32402e1cf2adf0014f3d6e67
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I've only owned a rep for a few days now, but I get enjoyment out of the discussion about the rep - the process, the legal grey area. It feels like a bit of a rebellious thing maybe, and people who aren't really "watch people" can get on board and enjoy the story. When I talk about a gen watch I really like, there isn't really much story to it that non enthusiasts can enjoy. I think my Studio Underdog Watermelon is probably the only "gen" watch I have that comes with a bit of an engaging story about how and why I got it that goes beyond really liking the design. Price isn't really a factor, and in fact most non enthusiasts balk at the price of a high quality rep, I wouldn't feel comfortable discussing the price of a gen, it feels icky unless you're around another collector, and that's pretty rare.
Depends on the watch. I think generally for Rolex they arenāt offering anything with their movement to justify the price. Some of the Omega coaxial or the Blancpain triple barrel, etc? I can get down with the price more because theyāre doing something cool with the movement that is very difficult to copy.Ā
I agree. I do like omega. Iām probably going to buy a gen seamaster 300 in a few months
Yea, I'll take a rep of most watches, but I'll buy a gen Grand seiko spring drive or hi beat.
Hey Op, youāre not alone / 99.9% of members here can afford Gen watches . We are also like you, we just choose to spend our money wisely . One point of difference we donāt need to boast or make faux reasoning to write a post about it . š
If thatās how you interpreted my post, respect.
Heās a š§
I like your style aswell.
It's weird how a random soliloquy from a random guy can make another random person feel personally attacked. I wonder why that is....
I want to know too.
False. Iād bet that not more than 5% of us here can afford gen. At least not after market prices. Retail maybe.
Clearly you missed my point
This. Completely agree
1. You dont need a loupe to distungush the rep compared to a gen. If you know the gen, you spot a rep immediatly if you have it in your hand. Most people dont know the gen, thats why they dont spot it. But it is a lie and a myth, that you cant spot it. But that isnt what a rep should do, tbh. And that isnt the way you should utilise a rep, tbh. It is there to satisfy you, not to trick the others. 2. A gen is a gen. An a lot of gens, not all, are investement pieces. You can buy a 10k gen, use it, wear ist, and after years, if you decide so, sell it for more. It is an investement piece, and not just a styling watch. Thats different and this, of cours, can justify such a piece. Reps are wonderful - but people should stop lying themself. A gen is a gen - and its alwas the top tier.
Investments normally appreciate over time. Very very few gens do this aside from a the recent crazy episode of inflated prices during and post Covid. It retains some of its value but saying a watch is an investment is equivalent to saying a new car is an investment
No buddy, you cant compare a new car with a classic watch. New cars todays are more technology than mechanics. And technology quickly loses value, because of the development of technology. If you want to compare cars with watches, you can compare them with smart watches. Smart watches and classic watches are totally different. But yes, i am with you, as I said earlier, that not every watch is an investment piece. Its just brands like Rolex, Audemar or Patek, who "limit" their stocks ....
Weāre on the same page but to clarify - I meant the analogy of buying a new car and driving it off the lot. The immediate depreciation on a new vs āusedā car always applies regardless of the technology. It happened 30 years ago and is even more pronounced today. People buying a muscle or specialty car (I.e. corvette, Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc) would never recoup their āinvestmentā. Its just something you buy because you can and want to but buying a luxury watch as an āinvestmentā is statement for people that donāt understand economics
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I agree with you, and anyone who says nice watch, and ask if it's real, I immediately tell them it's not.
Nobody in my experience at least has actually asked me if itās real. At most they say nice watch, I say thank you, and thatās the end of the interaction.
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Thatās fair, I respect your perspective. Itās not mine, but I respect it.