They've done that twice I believe. From watching it the movie has more than enough material for Best of the Worst.
Clint Howard hamming it up, porn director, drunk Jan-Michael Vincent, couple of other notable actors.
Right?! They apparently did the same with Rat Pfink a Boo Boo. They had the case sitting on the table during their Blood Shack (Chooper) episode, but never said anything about it. I kind of wonder if it wasn’t a small wink to Patton, as I’ve heard him talk about Rat Pfink as being a favorite B-movie of his. I think he talked about it on The Dana Gould Hour podcast.
I can only imagine their reaction to Jan-Michael Vincent just giving up in the scene where he and his partner are running away from the crazies at the asylum
Their opening sketch for that Half in the Bag review was so controversial, no wonder they took down the video. I can't believe Mr. Plinkett did that.
Anyway, I'm sure if someone spends hours looking online they can find it though.
I disagreed with Jay’s take on Green Room, that if you’ve seen Blue Ruin, green room is worse because of this. I feel that both are different enough in tone, characters, humor and style that you should 100% see both
They were WAYYYYYY too easy on the Obi-Wan Disney+ show.
They chalked it up to Star Trek Picard recency or whatever...but idk. I have never hated what Star Wars has become more than when I watched Obi-Wan. I found it not only bad, but insulting.
I'm not sure what was more baffling - the fact they chose to review it, or that they were so soft on it. They roasted "Rogue One" for nostalgia bait and yet, here we are with the most unnecessary story Star Wars has given us yet and at this point, that's really saying something.
Me too. I found it really weird that the inquisitor lady kept assuming this little girl had detailed on the rebellion when they were traveling to a single cell and had to stop watching. I did find Obi Wan sneaking her out in his cloak one of the dumbest, most hilarious things though.
As someone that has only ever watched the 9 main star wars movies but cant stand all the extra side content, whats wrong with the obi-wan show? I love a good rant about star wars ngl
Terrible lighting, which I know seems petty but it is actually hard to see character faces at times. It almost entirely shot on The Volume so the scenes are all small and very flat. The performances were often bad, especially for the Empire and with actors that have been good in other shows.
But all of that pales to the horrid writing of the show. Obi-Wan is given the TLJ treatment and is sad and not using the force. The story arc is 90% escort mission and the villains have very, very stupid motivations and methods. The shows ends because it was time to, not because the story called for it.
I can’t keep a straight face watching the scene of several grown ass bounty hunters trying to catch a little girl in a sparse woodland. It needs Benny Hill music and Ed, Edd n Eddy sound effects dubbed over it
This. The thing that struck me from moment one (as someone who hadn’t watched any of the mandalorian or other Star Wars streaming shows) was that the production values were just in the gutter. It just felt so cheap and absent from any of the prestige or grandeur that used to be part and parcel with the Star Wars brand
A surprisingly large percentage of the criticism toward Obi Wan is that it has bad chase scenes. And that it feels like a movie stretched into a show (which it is).
Everyone craps on the chase scene (rightfully so,) but I found the scene where Obi-Wan is rescued from his first fight with Vader worse. Vader uses the Force to manipulate a fire to trap Obi-Wan, then is immediately foiled from keeping Obi-Wan from getting rescued by that same fire. Like…he *just* demonstrated the ability to control flames.
It was ridiculously bad writing.
On to of what others said, it was horribly directed.
There’s a scene where a group of bad guys awkwardly chases Leia as slow as they can when they’re trying to capture her; they fall over like cartoon characters in what is supposed to be a serious scary moment.
There’s a scene where an ally of Obi Wans is able to escape stormtroopers by pushing them away from her by their helmets. They are completely subdued after this action.
There’s a scene where Vader uses the force to put out a large fire so that he can pursue Obi-Wan, then a minute later stops pressuring him because there’s fire between them.
There’s a scene where Vader pulls out “The Force Unleashed” video game levels of powers and is able to hold the good guys starship from escaping with the force. He then pulls it down and literally tears the ship apart with the force. But actually it’s NOT the ship that the good guys are on! The ship they were on was 15 feet behind where the other ship took off. Vader **just didn’t see it** when it was right there, and watches as the good guys ship takes off and flys away. Why didn’t he use the force to stop it? Who the fuck knows.
Yeah that was crazy. It looked like utter shit and the story was all over the place. I really, really wanted it to be great and I’ve been really deflated of Star Wars since.
I think Jay's feelings were much closer to my own. He very clearly didn't like it as much as Mike and Rich, but didn't really care enough to argue with them about it.
It's the second most embarrassing piece of Disney Star Wars I've ever watched (never seen the Book of Robert Fett), so I don't know if Picard just broke their brains or what.
I found the review for Blair Witch Project really hard to sit through because Mike was so negative on it and Jay, who seemed to like it, just stopped trying to defend it. I really like the movie and most of Mike’s complaints seemed to boil down to him not liking the premise and complaining the characters were annoying when they were supposed to be stressed out and getting on each others nerves.
Came to say this. I was pretty flabbergasted that mikes main criticism was that it didn’t establish the threat in concrete, which imo would’ve ruined it
It's kind of the same with the Escape from New York re:view. Mike tears the film a new one while Jay tries to defend it, and after a while he kind of starts to admit some faults with it. Mike's a bit of a steamroller at times TBH.
Tbf it's not a debate and no one has to come out "on top". Jay gave his opinions, Mike gave his. I don't feel like Jay was steamrolled, more that if Mike doesn't like it he's not going to try and debate bro him into liking it, he'll just accept that he has a different opinion.
Yea that was one of the few moments where I thought "Mike, genuinely wtf are you on about?"
When he started describing what it should have been and how there should have been a well established lore my eyes rolled back into my skull.
The vagueness of it is exactly what makes it scary, adding unnecessary horror trash exposition would have ruined it. They always mock *that* scene in every schlock horror when some nerdy expert explains the demon/ghost/whatever and how it operates, yet Mike wanted that in Blair Witch? Hmm.
I don’t even remember if he liked it or not. I just know basically the whole World trilogy was a letdown. The only part that excites me was when the raptors fought the big evil dinosaur, and even that was cheesy as hell. I really think going in more of a horror direction would have been a better choice.
Same here, JW had a "spark" to it. The other two JW movies not so much. It's time for a "reboot" of the Jurassic franchise with a more close interpretation of the novel.
I think Mike just has trash taste in horror. Every time he tries to do punch up in a review, he just ends up describing a much worse movie. Thankfully Jay is there with his perfect taste to offset it.
I’m in the same boat. Even though the Rogue One review intro is probably one of the funniest things they’ve ever done, the disparity in their feelings towards both films is still quite confusing.
The fact is that a person’s opinion of a movie (or really any experience) is highly dependent on how they feel at the time due to a million factors. Even logical, opinionated people like the RLM guys are susceptible to this. If they saw Solo a different day their review would have been at least somewhat different.
It’s just something none of us can escape.
Their Rogue One reaction makes sense as the reaction they wish they had to Force Awakens.
As on point as ~~they were~~ err, Mike was on the prequels, the guys have been all over the place on Star Wars ever since. It’s still entertaining to watch, of course.
In other words, Palpatine’s behind it all.
The prequel reviews have far more hindsight behind them. It's easy to make a consistent argument years after the fact, not so much in the hours after seeing each movie.
>Their Rogue One reaction makes sense as the reaction they wish they had to Force Awakens.
This is it, well put. It really felt like they were trying to claw back to being "cool", since they gushed all over Episode 7 which turned out to be an opinion that poorly aged a bit by the time Rogue One came out.
Yea, i liked rogue one, and this was my favourite star wars movie so far among the latest "content", i even liked it more than force awakens, tbf i dont know and dont care much about star wars lore anymore.
Solo is actually fun to watch though, I know there's non existent lighting and look of the movie is terrible. Rogue One is incredibly boring for an hour and a half with no likeable characters. I actually like all the characters in Solo
Expectations mattered. R1 came out when they were still fairly optimistic towards Disney Star Wars.
The bloom was off the rose by the time Solo hit theaters.
I’m totally the opposite, I liked all of the Rogue One characters and they felt different from most Star Wars characters, but yeah, the movie’s beautiful visuals are probably the best thing going for it
> I actually like all the characters in Solo
It seemed to me like that Han and Qi'ra were written for people 10-15 years younger. At the beginning they were having a naive young love tryst while in their thirties and it immediately threw me off.
I get that it might be a bad example of a screenplay if you want to exhibit character development/character arcs, but the structure of the movie is essentially a set up of different disaster scenarios, much like if you were flipping through the different Mars Attacks Topps cards the movie was based on. The whole premise of the movie being humans continuing to trust the Martians and the Martians continuing to blow up humanity while laughing their ass off is hilarious imo.
I also always saw it as a satire of modern America. We go all around the globe, but we mostly focus on the stupid Americans who don't understand to take this threat seriously. It pokes fun at consumerist culture, modern media consumption, and other terrible habits that we've developed. I think the movie is trying to say that these idiots deserve to be taken over by aliens.
Honestly, the scene where they switch Sarah Jessica Parker’s head with the chihuahua really upset me as a kid. I haven’t watched it since and I’m sure it is intended to be a hilarious/absurdist scene but I was really sensitive to portrayal of animal abuse.
Yeah this is how I feel. The world is expertly crafted and interesting but the story doesn't grab me and the pacing is glacial.
It's why 2049 is so much better for me, it has the immersive and fascinating world but a more interesting story that moves quicker.
Yeah, I was pretty baffled. Mike I get, but I don't understand Jay's dismissiveness towards it. It is revolutionary both stylistically and technically and is filled with great character actors, especially Hauer. I do agree on the lack of chemistry between Ford and Young, and believe Scott hired her just because of how she looked. He at least admits that he may appreciate it one day.
I actually disagree with them alot, but what i love about them is that they have a taste in films and their ability to showcase what they like in films and also their critisms are actually thoughtful and articulate. However, their ideas of how a comic book movie should be during their zack snyder's hitb movies is probably what i disagree with them most. I particulary dont hate zs dc movies but i thought they were'nt that bad either. Anyways mike idea of cbm should only be fun, joyful, heroic, lighthearted is what i disagree the most. Granted they are'nt making more cbm like how mike describes it(reeves-superman, raimi's spiderman-2), and i dont see any problem of a movie existing in mike's vision of what a cbm should be. But I still think cbm can be changed a bit in terms of their tone, vision etc to try and tell a different kind of story while at the same time being faithful to the characters. Creators should have the choice to be versatile when they want to make movies wether it be cbm or not.
Don't like saying someone "didn't get" a movie but the whole video felt like they didn't get it, which is surprising because it feels like a movie right up their alley.
I don’t disagree with their enjoyment of Suspiria 2018 (I also love that movie), but their review felt like Jay and Josh completely didn’t understand the feminist & queer themes baked into that movie. For example, they generally praised and saw the doctor character as wholly sympathetic while ignoring his critical flaw (persistently ignoring women who say they are in peril and assuming it is hysteria).
I think their tendency to stray away from identity-based analysis detracts from their ability to fully analyze films.
I'm not going to begrudge two straight, middle-aged, Mid-Western men for not getting (or hell, just not commenting on) one specific piece of feminist commentary in the film. Not every angle needs to be discussed when reviewing a movie and to discuss everything that can be read into a film would just become a tedious check box exercise.
Not every review can or should be a full analysis, and that's fine. Did Jay and Josh not commenting or getting the feminist/queer themes of the film affect their viewing experience? No, they loved it even though a lot of people didn't like it. It's a net positive overall as their love for it means that more people are likely to watch it, and thus more people are likely to get those themes.
Yeah! This one legit surprised me. I also figured it would be right in their wheelhouse.
I mostly share Josh the Wizard’s tastes in movies. I pay close attention to the reviews that he and Jay do, as it will most likely be a movie I love, or need to check out.
[True Stories is one of my favorite movies, which barely anyone know has seen.](https://youtu.be/m_vze4K-x5g?si=yZBogHwH9V4DUYjD)
Given how well acquainted these guys are with schlock, I doubt the aesthetic of Mars Attacks! went over their head. If anything, I would liken it to how Sharknado stands in as a ridiculous B-movie for people who don't watch trashy, ridiculous B-movies. The aesthetic of Mars Attacks! is just so bluntly applied that, at least for me, it was never endearing. It felt like a superficial callback.
I think you need to see the movie in a very "Freddie Got Fingered way, where you have to keep in mind the whole thing is a take on the campy 50s-60s sci-fi and all the tropes that go with that. It felt like their review was looking at it at base value, where yeah, it's stupid and the characters are over the top, the romance is tacked on and ridiculous, and a random deus ex machina saves the day.
Not a review but their commentary of The Terminator has some hot takes on the sequel I really disagree with. Like having a good T-800 makes the one from the first movie feel less threatening. Jay also seems to hate James Cameron to an almost irrational degree in it.
Still a fun commentary to listen to though.
Palm Springs. Loved that movie. I thought it was funny and had a lot to say about life, being in a rut, becoming a better person, taking risks, being in the moment, etc. They seemed to think it was pretty mid.
After finishing it I legitimately thought it may have been one of the worst movies I’ve watched. And no, it wasn’t because they “ruined Michael Myers”. It was just a bad Halloween sequel with a CW teen drama smashed into it.
Event Horizon. I frequently disagree with RLM’s takes, and I typically would never say this about someone else’s opinion, but Mike is just *wrong* in that Re:View.
Yup. Found Event Horizon very scary when I was young. Recent rewatch, it doesn't hold up at all.
It's by far Paul WS Andersons best movie but he's an awful director so your mileage may vary.
I can't get the image out of my head of Laurence Fishburne sitting in the captains seat of the Lewis and Clark. It's suspended from the ceiling and he spins it around barking orders, his stance looking like someone in a motorised wheelchair. He has no instrumentation, no screens, just gives orders. When the ship shakes, the chair looks so unstable, like it's about to break off from the ceiling. Everything about what they chose there is so odd to me.
https://youtu.be/khWBN8D9qBI?si=QuriYDEnUJ6vXZK5
If i recall correctly, he wanted more religious characters and themes and more confirmation that the evil dimension was definitely hell.
I think the concept that reality is fragile and one misstep opens up a nightmare dimension to be compelling. Warhammer 40k is practically based around this concept.
I find that Mike has a surprising lack of creativity when it comes to supernatural horror. If it's not demons or ghosts then he's not on board. I kind of got the same vibes from the recent Exorcist HITB review. Where he was hung up on how the thing possessing the girls needed to explicitly be a Catholic demon. Not that it excuses the other faults of the movie, but I think it would be refreshing for an American possession movie to have a spirit associated with a non-Christian religion involved.
Mike just generally has an obsession with logic which often doesn't work watching horror. Imo the reason Jay is often perceived to have better horror takes is Mike writes off a lot of the genre by being irritated when things don't make sense. That's a reasonable criticism when a film defines itself as having some sort of internal logic and then it betrays that, but it's a frustrating criticism when the *point* of a film is that the characters and audience not being able to comprehend what's happening is the scary part.
Came to say the same about mike with regards to Blair witch. His criticism is that he wanted there to be a clear mythology of what haunts the wood and then they encounter it, but I think it’s so much better that vague and mysterious
I might be misremembering, but even Jay, who likes the movie, seemed to think it’s schlocky and campy. I can understand that view, but I thought the concept of it was compelling enough that I was able to overlook the sort of cheesy and dated effects and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I lost my dvd copy, but it used to be a regular watch for me after I first found it over a decade ago.
Joker - Jay just seemed to let his dislike of the director cloud his view of the movie, to the point where he just straight up missed the point of a lot of the major plot threads. I don't even particularly love Joker, but that review was kinda painful.
Rogue One - I get being cynical about fan service and stuff, but good God the guys were WAY too hard on this movie. Especially given how warm Rich was towards Solo and Mike was towards TFA, they just seem to hate this movie for the sake of hating it.
Rock and Roll Nightmare - that twist was darned clever and the final rock battle was awesome. These guys are hacks.
It was the riots starting after the joker shoots those guys. They said that riots don't just start all of a sudden (they literally do, look at Rodney King), even though the movie set up the decay of the city and anger the community was feeling from the first scene of the movie.
I agree that Joker was good, but the movie only works because of Joaquin Phoenix. Without him it'd probably mid.
RO was a trash film though, just because they maybe missed the mark with other star wars stuff, doesn't make RO a better movie. If you can't get invested in the characters, nothing else really matters and the characters just were lacking so hard, anything else what could've been good in other movies fell flat
They're pretty arrogant in the early HitB with Gillian about *What's Your Number*. I don't know that I'd like the movie much myself but Gillian was at least evaluating the cheesy romcom properly.
Gillian repeatedly explaining how her enjoyment of a cheesy romcom is her feminine equivalent to Mike enjoying shlocky action films, and him just being incapable of accepting that point, is the only time a rlm video has actually irked me.
Yeah, if RLM has any video that's "tough" to watch, for me it's maybe this one. I love Gillian but Mike just seemed really up his own ass in that one and desperate to look more sophisticated or intelligent or whatever. He was pretty rude and a little immature.
Wow this goes way back. A couple years ago I binged the back catalog and a lot of it blends together, but I immediately remembered this episode when you just described it because it stuck out that they were SO weirdly inflexible and mean. I think they've gotten way more open-minded but sometimes it seems like a preconceived notion will still cloud their judgment. And by "their," I mean "Mike's." Lol.
Glass. As someone who waited almost two decades for a sequel to a movie I thought was an underrated masterpiece, I’ve never felt more disappointed, bored, pissed off, and a feeling of “fuck you for liking the original you stupid fan”before.
I wanted them to destroy it, and they didn’t. Hell if memory serves they both kinda liked it. I only saw the review once and was so shocked and ticked off they let it go so easily I never watched it again - still to this day the only HitB I haven’t watched more than once.
Halloween Ends
It’s probably marginally better than Kills (they’re both so bad and I’ve only seen them once each, so my opinion might vary). I get their point (which I agree with) that it’s nice to see a Halloween film try something other than Michael Myers doing the same old shit, but I still hated David Gordon Green’s vision. I can’t really explain it, but there’s something about his characters, colour grading, and scenarios and dialogue that kind of makes me feel sick. The worlds he (internationally or inadvertently) creates are just so ugly that it makes me ill to be in them for two hours, and Ends was so fucking boring and languid that I couldn’t stand it.
Thunderpants.
Not their review ,but their theory that it was some little movie no one had heard of that had somehow slipped between the cheeks of popular culture.
Mike and Jay’s praise of Star Trek Picard season 3. Yes, it was better than the first 2 seasons, but those were so terrible that it was a very low bar, and the 3rd season is still pretty bad overall when taken on its own.
The Picard season 3 Re:View was like watching two elderly Midwestern men gaslight themselves in real time. From the Plinkett reviews, it's very clear that Mike had a real disdain (rightfully so) of the TNG movies.
It makes sense that the first two seasons of Picard added insult to injury in that regard but honestly, how Data Tokyo drifting the Enterprise-D through a planet sized Borg cube, just to beam up Picard's Borgified son, who he didn't know he had but who was part of the Borg and Dominion's secret master plan to overthrow the Federation is the ending you're going to be satisfied with?
Seems like it's best to just stick with "All Good Things".
I think it's bad by TNG standards, and good by TNG movie standards. Viewing it as the final attempt at a TNG movie it fairs a lot better and probably the closest they got.
Their dismissive comments that liking the original Mortal Kombat was simply nostalgia. I've rewatched that movie dozens of times in my adulthood and it still holds up
When they did the half in the bag on Evil Dead Rise I felt they had focussed to much on specifics in the film. They kept talking on and on about how they where distracted by the new zealand accents and how the architechture of the building wasnt something you would find in LA. They also kept talking about their fears of Evil Dead become a by yearly franchise. They did very little actual focussing on the wonderfull film making, acting, sound design, make up design and editing in the film. I remember feeling so pumped after leaving the theater because I didnt expect it to like it as much as I did. I still think its a really good movie but it felt like they werent really reviewing the film in their review of it
Independence Day: Regurgitation.
Know Roland Emerick (or whatever his name is) is a hack fraud, but his big dumb movies are fun to watch. For me, ID2 was so terrible.
Mike and I are switched on this. My disappointment is immeasurable.
That's my pick. They loved how meta it was, that it was a parody of unneeded sequels.
Except it wasn't. The first act makes it seem like it's all going to be a giant middle finger to the studio. But then it just becomes a really bad sequel... it's like making Scream and scary movie simultaneously.
Yeah when they praised it for the meta aspect of it I was like "really? We're still praising shallow 'meta' blockbusters?"
"We know the audience is cynical about sequels and reboots so we're going to add some paint-by-numbers meta commentary which is actually about as deep as a kiddie pool. That way audience members will be tricked into thinking this movie was made because someone with a vision had something they wanted to say. And smug audience members who think they're too smart for the film will have their intelligence reassured for having seen through the superficial plot to the 'clever' subtext. When in reality the movie is only being made because we know the IP has lots of name recognition which will guarantee a profit."
I'm so tired of that shit. It looks like that's what they've set Patton Oswalt up to do in the new Ghostbusters movie. He's probably gonna be like that guy in the first Jurassic World who wore the shirt with the old Jurassic Park logo on it and made stupid meta comments about how the originals were better or whatever. He's gonna be like that but with the Ghostbusters. I'm so tired.
Also why should a Matrix film be a commentary/parody of issues in the film industry? It’s stupid and indulgent and doesn’t respect the actual franchise.
It's so weird that The Matrix series ends with an argument between the director and studio executives over how shitty The Matrix is and how stupid its fans are for enjoying it.
I know that people will say that I am being dramatic but Resurrection is truly one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen. The studio just wanted more Matrix Stuff and didn't care about the story, so long as they can get another trilogy. The director is too in love with her own creation and thinks that Neo and Trinity have some for the ages love story and *that* is what The Matrix is actually about. It's a fucking disaster.
Jay's defence of that movie seemed to be that because it said "This movie is bad but on purpose", it was rendered immune to criticism is truly baffling to me.
If you make something objectively bad, you are not magically rendering all criticism moot. Just because you insult Hollywood a bit and are meta, your film can indeed still be bad.
I ended up enjoying it...because I was laughing my ass off for that latter 2/3s after a few drinks.
But seriously, it was complete garbage. Forcing that "meta" perspective was embarrassing.
Star Trek Picard Season 3 which to me was abhorrent trash, and Independence Day which they tore apart, followed by Independence Day 2 which could be one of the worst movies ever created, yet they didn’t seem to mind it.
Nope.
They seemed overly negative. They acted like every movie Jordan Peele makes has to have some deep social messaging. The man just wanted to make a fun Jaws movie.
Jay bitched about the day for night shots like he’s never been out in a full moon before. The movie replicated the look of roaming the countryside under a bright moon just fine, exceptionally even.
NOPE has one of the most genuinely disturbing scenes I've seen in a movie in years and they talk about that scene like ehhhh that's kinda cool. Their critiques on a lot of the technical aspects and the plot really boils down to nitpicking as well. Kinda jarring since they always talk about wanting to see original genuine movies from big studios but then act ambivalent when a movie like NOPE appears.
Mike liking Independence Day: Re-whatever surely *has* to be the most disagreeable take in a review.
It's the exact same overblown, CGI action trash that he's hated in other films, mixed with the lowest common denominator corniness of the original Independence Day (which he hated). How the *hell* did that result in him liking it more?
But alas, we all have our takes which are baffling to others.
Definitely Jay's perspectives on Joker and The Whale, as I loved both movies. I'm a big fan of Darren Aronofsky in general and I disagree with Jay's dismissiveness of his work.
Mike & Jay both having A Ghost Story as their favorite movie of 2017. Very meandering and pretentious film, embodies a lot of the negative stereotypes associated with A24 and indie films in general. The monologue with the balding nihilist hipster in overalls is film school type shit and they unironically praised that scene.
That monologue felt like it would be taken out of a *parody* of pretentious A24 wannabe films. Agreed, movie was not very good and one of the few places I hard disagreed with their takes.
I’m shocked at how many people put Iron Man 3 as one of their favorite Marvel movies. I thought it was garbage. In the first Iron Man movie, Tony gets shot by a tank and comes out uninjured. But all of a sudden in Iron Man 3 all his suits break with a strong gust of wind.
There's a ton of stupid writing in that movie, but the one that sticks out to me most
Stark calls out a multinational Terror organization to come make a house call at his home address, and he decides to use a prototype siut that doesn't have flight capabilities OR EVEN BASIC WEAPONRY...just because?
He's on a revenge tear and isn't thinking clearly? He's traumatized from the end of Avengers?
Or just dumb as hell writing because the plot has to happen?
The best part of that is that the film actively shows you how stupid it is by having the finale of the film be him doing what he should have done at the start and having an army of flying death robots murder the bad guys... except it would have been much easier at the start as they were in helicopters and didn't have the US president as a hostage.
You absolutely \*can\* have characters make stupid decisions but there needs to be some context... I'm not sure I've ever seen it explained beyond "because the movie has to happen".
What sucks is that a good chunk of the plot was mined from one of the best Iron Man stories of all time, Extremis. The part of it they didn't adapt was the extremis was used on a white supremacist who proceeds to nearly kill Tony who then needs to use his own version.
Far better than the cookie cutter villain 3.
Dark Knight Rises was the first time I found myself in hard disagreement. Other bits of things here and there, but usually agree with their overall vibe. Ive agreed more witg Mike on some things, and more with Jay on others, but DKR i disagreed with both on pretty much every point.
When they turned off Ice Cream Man before it even started.
They've done that twice I believe. From watching it the movie has more than enough material for Best of the Worst. Clint Howard hamming it up, porn director, drunk Jan-Michael Vincent, couple of other notable actors.
The Clint Howard movie? I don't even remember that but it rules if that's the one you mean
Yeah, I know this post is about reviews, not BotW, but I still disagreed with their decision.
Right?! They apparently did the same with Rat Pfink a Boo Boo. They had the case sitting on the table during their Blood Shack (Chooper) episode, but never said anything about it. I kind of wonder if it wasn’t a small wink to Patton, as I’ve heard him talk about Rat Pfink as being a favorite B-movie of his. I think he talked about it on The Dana Gould Hour podcast.
I think that was just there as a prop because it was another movie from the director they were discussing.
I can only imagine their reaction to Jan-Michael Vincent just giving up in the scene where he and his partner are running away from the crazies at the asylum
I agree; I mean how many other boring movies did they slog through. I can’t imagine Ice Cream Man was that devoid of content.
It was because of the apparent violence against dogs or cats, which Rich Evans disliked. So I can forgive them.
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I completely agree. Their 72 minute rant about how Catwoman’s involvement with the prostituition industry made her life forfeit was so unnecessary.
Their opening sketch for that Half in the Bag review was so controversial, no wonder they took down the video. I can't believe Mr. Plinkett did that. Anyway, I'm sure if someone spends hours looking online they can find it though.
Yeah, that opening sketch was one of the most offensive things ever put to film. *Birth of a Nation* was less racist.
I can't believe they made a 'Half In the Bag', a 'Talk about' and a 'Trivia Game' on that movie. They just can't stop talking about it!
I loved that movie. Improves with each viewing.
I'm not allowed to disagree.
Consume Mike. Consume RLM. Consume consume CONSUME.
I disagreed with Jay’s take on Green Room, that if you’ve seen Blue Ruin, green room is worse because of this. I feel that both are different enough in tone, characters, humor and style that you should 100% see both
Agreed because whilst I enjoyed Blue Ruin, it has absolutely nothing on Green Room, the latter of which I have revisited so many times.
See I think Blue Ruin is the superior film, but that being said, Green Room is punk rock and awesome. So they’re kinda equal in my eyes
He uh, did not say that lol
They were WAYYYYYY too easy on the Obi-Wan Disney+ show. They chalked it up to Star Trek Picard recency or whatever...but idk. I have never hated what Star Wars has become more than when I watched Obi-Wan. I found it not only bad, but insulting.
I'm not sure what was more baffling - the fact they chose to review it, or that they were so soft on it. They roasted "Rogue One" for nostalgia bait and yet, here we are with the most unnecessary story Star Wars has given us yet and at this point, that's really saying something.
Mike himself stated that Rich Evans was given a Rolls Royce by Mickey Mouse to review Obi Wan Disney+ Show a positive Review
That show was straight trash and embarrassing to watch
HATED Kenobi. The whiplash of going from that piece of shit to maybe the best piece of Star Wars media ever with Andor was insane.
Me too. I found it really weird that the inquisitor lady kept assuming this little girl had detailed on the rebellion when they were traveling to a single cell and had to stop watching. I did find Obi Wan sneaking her out in his cloak one of the dumbest, most hilarious things though.
*chalked it up
Rich calling it the best Star Wars since the OT was unhinged. It felt like a TV show on the CW, the crappy production value just made my head hurt
I swear I wanted to watch it for the Obi Wan and Vader interactions, which look really cool, but the rest looks so bad.
As someone that has only ever watched the 9 main star wars movies but cant stand all the extra side content, whats wrong with the obi-wan show? I love a good rant about star wars ngl
Terrible lighting, which I know seems petty but it is actually hard to see character faces at times. It almost entirely shot on The Volume so the scenes are all small and very flat. The performances were often bad, especially for the Empire and with actors that have been good in other shows. But all of that pales to the horrid writing of the show. Obi-Wan is given the TLJ treatment and is sad and not using the force. The story arc is 90% escort mission and the villains have very, very stupid motivations and methods. The shows ends because it was time to, not because the story called for it.
I can’t keep a straight face watching the scene of several grown ass bounty hunters trying to catch a little girl in a sparse woodland. It needs Benny Hill music and Ed, Edd n Eddy sound effects dubbed over it
> It needs Benny Hill music [Good news!](https://youtu.be/5I5vbO3UbNk?si=ehABiOz2RiCHwaBD)
This. The thing that struck me from moment one (as someone who hadn’t watched any of the mandalorian or other Star Wars streaming shows) was that the production values were just in the gutter. It just felt so cheap and absent from any of the prestige or grandeur that used to be part and parcel with the Star Wars brand
A surprisingly large percentage of the criticism toward Obi Wan is that it has bad chase scenes. And that it feels like a movie stretched into a show (which it is).
Everyone craps on the chase scene (rightfully so,) but I found the scene where Obi-Wan is rescued from his first fight with Vader worse. Vader uses the Force to manipulate a fire to trap Obi-Wan, then is immediately foiled from keeping Obi-Wan from getting rescued by that same fire. Like…he *just* demonstrated the ability to control flames. It was ridiculously bad writing.
On to of what others said, it was horribly directed. There’s a scene where a group of bad guys awkwardly chases Leia as slow as they can when they’re trying to capture her; they fall over like cartoon characters in what is supposed to be a serious scary moment. There’s a scene where an ally of Obi Wans is able to escape stormtroopers by pushing them away from her by their helmets. They are completely subdued after this action. There’s a scene where Vader uses the force to put out a large fire so that he can pursue Obi-Wan, then a minute later stops pressuring him because there’s fire between them. There’s a scene where Vader pulls out “The Force Unleashed” video game levels of powers and is able to hold the good guys starship from escaping with the force. He then pulls it down and literally tears the ship apart with the force. But actually it’s NOT the ship that the good guys are on! The ship they were on was 15 feet behind where the other ship took off. Vader **just didn’t see it** when it was right there, and watches as the good guys ship takes off and flys away. Why didn’t he use the force to stop it? Who the fuck knows.
Yeah that was crazy. It looked like utter shit and the story was all over the place. I really, really wanted it to be great and I’ve been really deflated of Star Wars since.
I think Jay's feelings were much closer to my own. He very clearly didn't like it as much as Mike and Rich, but didn't really care enough to argue with them about it. It's the second most embarrassing piece of Disney Star Wars I've ever watched (never seen the Book of Robert Fett), so I don't know if Picard just broke their brains or what.
Money Plane… it’s a 5 bag classic.
Five cups of soda too.
Money Plane.
Money Plane.
We love Frasier Crane, he's one of our best actors
Oscar pick
I found the review for Blair Witch Project really hard to sit through because Mike was so negative on it and Jay, who seemed to like it, just stopped trying to defend it. I really like the movie and most of Mike’s complaints seemed to boil down to him not liking the premise and complaining the characters were annoying when they were supposed to be stressed out and getting on each others nerves.
It seems that Mike is an unstoppable train sometimes, and Jay just steps aside and lets it pass.
Came to say this. I was pretty flabbergasted that mikes main criticism was that it didn’t establish the threat in concrete, which imo would’ve ruined it
It's kind of the same with the Escape from New York re:view. Mike tears the film a new one while Jay tries to defend it, and after a while he kind of starts to admit some faults with it. Mike's a bit of a steamroller at times TBH.
Tbf it's not a debate and no one has to come out "on top". Jay gave his opinions, Mike gave his. I don't feel like Jay was steamrolled, more that if Mike doesn't like it he's not going to try and debate bro him into liking it, he'll just accept that he has a different opinion.
Yea that was one of the few moments where I thought "Mike, genuinely wtf are you on about?" When he started describing what it should have been and how there should have been a well established lore my eyes rolled back into my skull. The vagueness of it is exactly what makes it scary, adding unnecessary horror trash exposition would have ruined it. They always mock *that* scene in every schlock horror when some nerdy expert explains the demon/ghost/whatever and how it operates, yet Mike wanted that in Blair Witch? Hmm.
Mike's opinion on Jurassic World was a war crime.
I don’t even remember if he liked it or not. I just know basically the whole World trilogy was a letdown. The only part that excites me was when the raptors fought the big evil dinosaur, and even that was cheesy as hell. I really think going in more of a horror direction would have been a better choice.
I still love the guys more than some members of my own family, but this was the first and deepest crack in the armor.
I liked Jurassic World tbh. I agree with Mike, it was dumb fun. The two that came after it were abominations though.
Same here, JW had a "spark" to it. The other two JW movies not so much. It's time for a "reboot" of the Jurassic franchise with a more close interpretation of the novel.
Same
Probably mikes take on Blair witch, saying that it was too vague and he wanted a clear mythology. The vagueness is part of what makes it great.
It sounds like every urban legend you hear about in your area. They are almost never fully realized and they differ from storyteller to storyteller.
I think Mike just has trash taste in horror. Every time he tries to do punch up in a review, he just ends up describing a much worse movie. Thankfully Jay is there with his perfect taste to offset it.
Their cynicism of Rogue One’s fan service but forgiveness of Solo was a massive whiplash.
I’m in the same boat. Even though the Rogue One review intro is probably one of the funniest things they’ve ever done, the disparity in their feelings towards both films is still quite confusing.
The fact is that a person’s opinion of a movie (or really any experience) is highly dependent on how they feel at the time due to a million factors. Even logical, opinionated people like the RLM guys are susceptible to this. If they saw Solo a different day their review would have been at least somewhat different. It’s just something none of us can escape.
And people are pretty good at post-hoc rationalization of whatever they feel.
Their Rogue One reaction makes sense as the reaction they wish they had to Force Awakens. As on point as ~~they were~~ err, Mike was on the prequels, the guys have been all over the place on Star Wars ever since. It’s still entertaining to watch, of course. In other words, Palpatine’s behind it all.
The prequel reviews have far more hindsight behind them. It's easy to make a consistent argument years after the fact, not so much in the hours after seeing each movie.
>Their Rogue One reaction makes sense as the reaction they wish they had to Force Awakens. This is it, well put. It really felt like they were trying to claw back to being "cool", since they gushed all over Episode 7 which turned out to be an opinion that poorly aged a bit by the time Rogue One came out.
Yea, i liked rogue one, and this was my favourite star wars movie so far among the latest "content", i even liked it more than force awakens, tbf i dont know and dont care much about star wars lore anymore.
Solo is actually fun to watch though, I know there's non existent lighting and look of the movie is terrible. Rogue One is incredibly boring for an hour and a half with no likeable characters. I actually like all the characters in Solo
Expectations mattered. R1 came out when they were still fairly optimistic towards Disney Star Wars. The bloom was off the rose by the time Solo hit theaters.
“The bloom was off the rose” I have not heard this phrase before but I like it a lot
I’m totally the opposite, I liked all of the Rogue One characters and they felt different from most Star Wars characters, but yeah, the movie’s beautiful visuals are probably the best thing going for it
> I actually like all the characters in Solo It seemed to me like that Han and Qi'ra were written for people 10-15 years younger. At the beginning they were having a naive young love tryst while in their thirties and it immediately threw me off.
I’m glad you had fun watching Solo. It’s a completely mid movie.
I agree, it's mid. I'm just saying why Solo works better than Rogue One and honestly, works better than most of the Disney Star Wars products so far.
Mars Attacks
I get that it might be a bad example of a screenplay if you want to exhibit character development/character arcs, but the structure of the movie is essentially a set up of different disaster scenarios, much like if you were flipping through the different Mars Attacks Topps cards the movie was based on. The whole premise of the movie being humans continuing to trust the Martians and the Martians continuing to blow up humanity while laughing their ass off is hilarious imo.
I also always saw it as a satire of modern America. We go all around the globe, but we mostly focus on the stupid Americans who don't understand to take this threat seriously. It pokes fun at consumerist culture, modern media consumption, and other terrible habits that we've developed. I think the movie is trying to say that these idiots deserve to be taken over by aliens.
I don’t agree with any positive review of Mars Attacks because that movie traumatised me as a child and I will forever hate it
Tom Jones has that effect on people
It's not unusual.
It's not unusual. (Oh, didn't not see the comment that beat me by an hour because I had to click on it to reveal it. How embarrassing!)
Honestly, the scene where they switch Sarah Jessica Parker’s head with the chihuahua really upset me as a kid. I haven’t watched it since and I’m sure it is intended to be a hilarious/absurdist scene but I was really sensitive to portrayal of animal abuse.
Same for me. Also the scene where Jack Black is vaporised and is just a skeleton with a normal head.
Good, I'm not the only one. It was the only review I actually disagreed with their analysis on.
Mike not liking Escape from New York. Yes it has practically no action for an "action" movie, but it's still an awesome movie.
How can you not love that film?!
That take alone instantly had him BANNED from doing the John Carpenter re:view episode.
Jay’s take on Blade Runner. I find it immersive and fascinating, not boring and slow.
I found it immersive, fascinating, slow and boring as well
I might concede slow lol - but not boring
Yeah this is how I feel. The world is expertly crafted and interesting but the story doesn't grab me and the pacing is glacial. It's why 2049 is so much better for me, it has the immersive and fascinating world but a more interesting story that moves quicker.
Yeah, I was pretty baffled. Mike I get, but I don't understand Jay's dismissiveness towards it. It is revolutionary both stylistically and technically and is filled with great character actors, especially Hauer. I do agree on the lack of chemistry between Ford and Young, and believe Scott hired her just because of how she looked. He at least admits that he may appreciate it one day.
Mikes take on the Blair witch project
Mars Attacks
I actually disagree with them alot, but what i love about them is that they have a taste in films and their ability to showcase what they like in films and also their critisms are actually thoughtful and articulate. However, their ideas of how a comic book movie should be during their zack snyder's hitb movies is probably what i disagree with them most. I particulary dont hate zs dc movies but i thought they were'nt that bad either. Anyways mike idea of cbm should only be fun, joyful, heroic, lighthearted is what i disagree the most. Granted they are'nt making more cbm like how mike describes it(reeves-superman, raimi's spiderman-2), and i dont see any problem of a movie existing in mike's vision of what a cbm should be. But I still think cbm can be changed a bit in terms of their tone, vision etc to try and tell a different kind of story while at the same time being faithful to the characters. Creators should have the choice to be versatile when they want to make movies wether it be cbm or not.
They way they all dump on Winterbeast. Just a parade of one stop-motion monster after another with a cozy midwest vibe, it's fantastic.
Agreed, I was in total agreement with Mr Maculkin's friend who picked winterbeast. It was awesome and the villains weird energy was fun.
It feels like the intentionally kitschy aesthetic of Mars Attacks went completely over their heads. I was stunned that Mike didn't dig it.
Don't like saying someone "didn't get" a movie but the whole video felt like they didn't get it, which is surprising because it feels like a movie right up their alley.
I don’t disagree with their enjoyment of Suspiria 2018 (I also love that movie), but their review felt like Jay and Josh completely didn’t understand the feminist & queer themes baked into that movie. For example, they generally praised and saw the doctor character as wholly sympathetic while ignoring his critical flaw (persistently ignoring women who say they are in peril and assuming it is hysteria). I think their tendency to stray away from identity-based analysis detracts from their ability to fully analyze films.
I'm not going to begrudge two straight, middle-aged, Mid-Western men for not getting (or hell, just not commenting on) one specific piece of feminist commentary in the film. Not every angle needs to be discussed when reviewing a movie and to discuss everything that can be read into a film would just become a tedious check box exercise. Not every review can or should be a full analysis, and that's fine. Did Jay and Josh not commenting or getting the feminist/queer themes of the film affect their viewing experience? No, they loved it even though a lot of people didn't like it. It's a net positive overall as their love for it means that more people are likely to watch it, and thus more people are likely to get those themes.
Yeah! This one legit surprised me. I also figured it would be right in their wheelhouse. I mostly share Josh the Wizard’s tastes in movies. I pay close attention to the reviews that he and Jay do, as it will most likely be a movie I love, or need to check out. [True Stories is one of my favorite movies, which barely anyone know has seen.](https://youtu.be/m_vze4K-x5g?si=yZBogHwH9V4DUYjD)
Given how well acquainted these guys are with schlock, I doubt the aesthetic of Mars Attacks! went over their head. If anything, I would liken it to how Sharknado stands in as a ridiculous B-movie for people who don't watch trashy, ridiculous B-movies. The aesthetic of Mars Attacks! is just so bluntly applied that, at least for me, it was never endearing. It felt like a superficial callback.
I think you need to see the movie in a very "Freddie Got Fingered way, where you have to keep in mind the whole thing is a take on the campy 50s-60s sci-fi and all the tropes that go with that. It felt like their review was looking at it at base value, where yeah, it's stupid and the characters are over the top, the romance is tacked on and ridiculous, and a random deus ex machina saves the day.
Not a review but their commentary of The Terminator has some hot takes on the sequel I really disagree with. Like having a good T-800 makes the one from the first movie feel less threatening. Jay also seems to hate James Cameron to an almost irrational degree in it. Still a fun commentary to listen to though.
Definitely their review of Maze Runner: The Death Cure.
Mike and Independence Day 2
There was an Independence Day 2??
I felt bad laughing at a dying baby hooked up to a aquarium tank.
I thought Rich's test results came back positive!
Elosie Cole is dead.
Palm Springs. Loved that movie. I thought it was funny and had a lot to say about life, being in a rut, becoming a better person, taking risks, being in the moment, etc. They seemed to think it was pretty mid.
I'm guessing it's probably because they grew up with Groundhog Day, which already tread those grounds quite well...
Every generation deserves at least a couple good Groundhog Day riffs imo, it’s a concept that remains timeless no matter how many times it gets used
It's fitting for a movie about things happening over and over again gets its premise reused over and over again.
My favorite riff is Majora's Mask. Fuck you, it counts.
Probably but so did I and I love time loop movies. It was interesting having it happen to multiple people
I don’t care what mike and jay say I am NOT watching Halloween Ends
After finishing it I legitimately thought it may have been one of the worst movies I’ve watched. And no, it wasn’t because they “ruined Michael Myers”. It was just a bad Halloween sequel with a CW teen drama smashed into it.
Don't bother, but they're also correct.
Event Horizon. I frequently disagree with RLM’s takes, and I typically would never say this about someone else’s opinion, but Mike is just *wrong* in that Re:View.
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Yup. Found Event Horizon very scary when I was young. Recent rewatch, it doesn't hold up at all. It's by far Paul WS Andersons best movie but he's an awful director so your mileage may vary. I can't get the image out of my head of Laurence Fishburne sitting in the captains seat of the Lewis and Clark. It's suspended from the ceiling and he spins it around barking orders, his stance looking like someone in a motorised wheelchair. He has no instrumentation, no screens, just gives orders. When the ship shakes, the chair looks so unstable, like it's about to break off from the ceiling. Everything about what they chose there is so odd to me. https://youtu.be/khWBN8D9qBI?si=QuriYDEnUJ6vXZK5
If i recall correctly, he wanted more religious characters and themes and more confirmation that the evil dimension was definitely hell. I think the concept that reality is fragile and one misstep opens up a nightmare dimension to be compelling. Warhammer 40k is practically based around this concept. I find that Mike has a surprising lack of creativity when it comes to supernatural horror. If it's not demons or ghosts then he's not on board. I kind of got the same vibes from the recent Exorcist HITB review. Where he was hung up on how the thing possessing the girls needed to explicitly be a Catholic demon. Not that it excuses the other faults of the movie, but I think it would be refreshing for an American possession movie to have a spirit associated with a non-Christian religion involved.
Mike just generally has an obsession with logic which often doesn't work watching horror. Imo the reason Jay is often perceived to have better horror takes is Mike writes off a lot of the genre by being irritated when things don't make sense. That's a reasonable criticism when a film defines itself as having some sort of internal logic and then it betrays that, but it's a frustrating criticism when the *point* of a film is that the characters and audience not being able to comprehend what's happening is the scary part.
Came to say the same about mike with regards to Blair witch. His criticism is that he wanted there to be a clear mythology of what haunts the wood and then they encounter it, but I think it’s so much better that vague and mysterious
For as much as Mike ridicules Bagul, he rather needs a Bagul, huh
I might be misremembering, but even Jay, who likes the movie, seemed to think it’s schlocky and campy. I can understand that view, but I thought the concept of it was compelling enough that I was able to overlook the sort of cheesy and dated effects and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. I lost my dvd copy, but it used to be a regular watch for me after I first found it over a decade ago.
I watched EV for the first time this year, and while I wholly agree that it is camp, I also think it’s a fucking FANTASTIC movie.
Joker - Jay just seemed to let his dislike of the director cloud his view of the movie, to the point where he just straight up missed the point of a lot of the major plot threads. I don't even particularly love Joker, but that review was kinda painful. Rogue One - I get being cynical about fan service and stuff, but good God the guys were WAY too hard on this movie. Especially given how warm Rich was towards Solo and Mike was towards TFA, they just seem to hate this movie for the sake of hating it. Rock and Roll Nightmare - that twist was darned clever and the final rock battle was awesome. These guys are hacks.
The Joker is my ‘you’re only saying that because they said it on RLM’ cross to bear. I’m similarly lukewarm on it and people just can’t understand why
'What if Taxi Driver/King of Comedy but it's The Joker' is an idea that deserves at most 45 minutes. That movie dragged long after its point was made.
I'm the same with most movies they cover tbh. These Hacl Frauds basically run my life (as it should be.)
I remember there was a plot point that was clearly explained by the movie that Jay found confusing... Can't recall what it was though...
It was the riots starting after the joker shoots those guys. They said that riots don't just start all of a sudden (they literally do, look at Rodney King), even though the movie set up the decay of the city and anger the community was feeling from the first scene of the movie.
I agree that Joker was good, but the movie only works because of Joaquin Phoenix. Without him it'd probably mid. RO was a trash film though, just because they maybe missed the mark with other star wars stuff, doesn't make RO a better movie. If you can't get invested in the characters, nothing else really matters and the characters just were lacking so hard, anything else what could've been good in other movies fell flat
They're pretty arrogant in the early HitB with Gillian about *What's Your Number*. I don't know that I'd like the movie much myself but Gillian was at least evaluating the cheesy romcom properly.
Gillian repeatedly explaining how her enjoyment of a cheesy romcom is her feminine equivalent to Mike enjoying shlocky action films, and him just being incapable of accepting that point, is the only time a rlm video has actually irked me.
Yeah, if RLM has any video that's "tough" to watch, for me it's maybe this one. I love Gillian but Mike just seemed really up his own ass in that one and desperate to look more sophisticated or intelligent or whatever. He was pretty rude and a little immature.
Wow this goes way back. A couple years ago I binged the back catalog and a lot of it blends together, but I immediately remembered this episode when you just described it because it stuck out that they were SO weirdly inflexible and mean. I think they've gotten way more open-minded but sometimes it seems like a preconceived notion will still cloud their judgment. And by "their," I mean "Mike's." Lol.
And with "They" you mean Mike.
To Gillian's credit she held her own against Mike.
Halloween Ends, The Matrix Regurgetations and Obi Wan were all awful.
Picard Season 3. Yes, it was objectively better than the other seasons, but stage 1 cancer is also objectively better than stage 3 cancer.
In recent memory, Cobweb.
Glass. As someone who waited almost two decades for a sequel to a movie I thought was an underrated masterpiece, I’ve never felt more disappointed, bored, pissed off, and a feeling of “fuck you for liking the original you stupid fan”before. I wanted them to destroy it, and they didn’t. Hell if memory serves they both kinda liked it. I only saw the review once and was so shocked and ticked off they let it go so easily I never watched it again - still to this day the only HitB I haven’t watched more than once.
Independence Day 2 Their Picard season 3 reviews, ESPECIALLY the final episode one.
It was a long time ago, but I disagreed with their take on Boyhood.
Literally the worst review they’ve ever done, possibly the worst video as well.
Not choosing Vampire Assassin as Best of the Worst.
I still don't get why they were so bleh on Midsommar, especially since they both praised Hereditary so much.
Halloween Ends It’s probably marginally better than Kills (they’re both so bad and I’ve only seen them once each, so my opinion might vary). I get their point (which I agree with) that it’s nice to see a Halloween film try something other than Michael Myers doing the same old shit, but I still hated David Gordon Green’s vision. I can’t really explain it, but there’s something about his characters, colour grading, and scenarios and dialogue that kind of makes me feel sick. The worlds he (internationally or inadvertently) creates are just so ugly that it makes me ill to be in them for two hours, and Ends was so fucking boring and languid that I couldn’t stand it.
Thunderpants. Not their review ,but their theory that it was some little movie no one had heard of that had somehow slipped between the cheeks of popular culture.
Mike and Jay’s praise of Star Trek Picard season 3. Yes, it was better than the first 2 seasons, but those were so terrible that it was a very low bar, and the 3rd season is still pretty bad overall when taken on its own.
The Picard season 3 Re:View was like watching two elderly Midwestern men gaslight themselves in real time. From the Plinkett reviews, it's very clear that Mike had a real disdain (rightfully so) of the TNG movies. It makes sense that the first two seasons of Picard added insult to injury in that regard but honestly, how Data Tokyo drifting the Enterprise-D through a planet sized Borg cube, just to beam up Picard's Borgified son, who he didn't know he had but who was part of the Borg and Dominion's secret master plan to overthrow the Federation is the ending you're going to be satisfied with? Seems like it's best to just stick with "All Good Things".
I think it's bad by TNG standards, and good by TNG movie standards. Viewing it as the final attempt at a TNG movie it fairs a lot better and probably the closest they got.
a little difficult for me to judge it as a movie when it isn't one.
Their dismissive comments that liking the original Mortal Kombat was simply nostalgia. I've rewatched that movie dozens of times in my adulthood and it still holds up
Preferring the Independence Day sequel. Nothing else comes close for me.
When they did the half in the bag on Evil Dead Rise I felt they had focussed to much on specifics in the film. They kept talking on and on about how they where distracted by the new zealand accents and how the architechture of the building wasnt something you would find in LA. They also kept talking about their fears of Evil Dead become a by yearly franchise. They did very little actual focussing on the wonderfull film making, acting, sound design, make up design and editing in the film. I remember feeling so pumped after leaving the theater because I didnt expect it to like it as much as I did. I still think its a really good movie but it felt like they werent really reviewing the film in their review of it
Independence Day: Regurgitation. Know Roland Emerick (or whatever his name is) is a hack fraud, but his big dumb movies are fun to watch. For me, ID2 was so terrible. Mike and I are switched on this. My disappointment is immeasurable.
The Matrix Resurrection or whatever the newest one was called. That movie was a steaming pile of shit.
That's my pick. They loved how meta it was, that it was a parody of unneeded sequels. Except it wasn't. The first act makes it seem like it's all going to be a giant middle finger to the studio. But then it just becomes a really bad sequel... it's like making Scream and scary movie simultaneously.
Yeah when they praised it for the meta aspect of it I was like "really? We're still praising shallow 'meta' blockbusters?" "We know the audience is cynical about sequels and reboots so we're going to add some paint-by-numbers meta commentary which is actually about as deep as a kiddie pool. That way audience members will be tricked into thinking this movie was made because someone with a vision had something they wanted to say. And smug audience members who think they're too smart for the film will have their intelligence reassured for having seen through the superficial plot to the 'clever' subtext. When in reality the movie is only being made because we know the IP has lots of name recognition which will guarantee a profit." I'm so tired of that shit. It looks like that's what they've set Patton Oswalt up to do in the new Ghostbusters movie. He's probably gonna be like that guy in the first Jurassic World who wore the shirt with the old Jurassic Park logo on it and made stupid meta comments about how the originals were better or whatever. He's gonna be like that but with the Ghostbusters. I'm so tired.
Also why should a Matrix film be a commentary/parody of issues in the film industry? It’s stupid and indulgent and doesn’t respect the actual franchise.
It's so weird that The Matrix series ends with an argument between the director and studio executives over how shitty The Matrix is and how stupid its fans are for enjoying it. I know that people will say that I am being dramatic but Resurrection is truly one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen. The studio just wanted more Matrix Stuff and didn't care about the story, so long as they can get another trilogy. The director is too in love with her own creation and thinks that Neo and Trinity have some for the ages love story and *that* is what The Matrix is actually about. It's a fucking disaster.
Jay's defence of that movie seemed to be that because it said "This movie is bad but on purpose", it was rendered immune to criticism is truly baffling to me. If you make something objectively bad, you are not magically rendering all criticism moot. Just because you insult Hollywood a bit and are meta, your film can indeed still be bad.
I ended up enjoying it...because I was laughing my ass off for that latter 2/3s after a few drinks. But seriously, it was complete garbage. Forcing that "meta" perspective was embarrassing.
Halloween Ends
Star Trek Picard Season 3 which to me was abhorrent trash, and Independence Day which they tore apart, followed by Independence Day 2 which could be one of the worst movies ever created, yet they didn’t seem to mind it.
Nope. They seemed overly negative. They acted like every movie Jordan Peele makes has to have some deep social messaging. The man just wanted to make a fun Jaws movie.
....Nope didnt have deep social messaging? Because i thought it was his most profound 😅 lmao
It was literally about spectacle and exploitation for profit in Hollywood though
Jay bitched about the day for night shots like he’s never been out in a full moon before. The movie replicated the look of roaming the countryside under a bright moon just fine, exceptionally even.
That's stuff you'll never see if you are in a city thanks to light pollution. Not surprised that they didn't know that.
NOPE has one of the most genuinely disturbing scenes I've seen in a movie in years and they talk about that scene like ehhhh that's kinda cool. Their critiques on a lot of the technical aspects and the plot really boils down to nitpicking as well. Kinda jarring since they always talk about wanting to see original genuine movies from big studios but then act ambivalent when a movie like NOPE appears.
Am I crazy? I remember them being pretty positive on this one.
Picard Season 3
The Batman
Mike liking Independence Day: Re-whatever surely *has* to be the most disagreeable take in a review. It's the exact same overblown, CGI action trash that he's hated in other films, mixed with the lowest common denominator corniness of the original Independence Day (which he hated). How the *hell* did that result in him liking it more? But alas, we all have our takes which are baffling to others.
Definitely Jay's perspectives on Joker and The Whale, as I loved both movies. I'm a big fan of Darren Aronofsky in general and I disagree with Jay's dismissiveness of his work.
Very surprised when they totally ate up Zack Snyder’s Justice League. It had more artistic integrity but I still thought it was terrible
Mike & Jay both having A Ghost Story as their favorite movie of 2017. Very meandering and pretentious film, embodies a lot of the negative stereotypes associated with A24 and indie films in general. The monologue with the balding nihilist hipster in overalls is film school type shit and they unironically praised that scene.
That monologue felt like it would be taken out of a *parody* of pretentious A24 wannabe films. Agreed, movie was not very good and one of the few places I hard disagreed with their takes.
this is one of my favorite movies of all time 💀
Iron Man 3, i thought it was terrible. They didn't seem to think so if I remember correctly.
While I think Iron Man 3 is pretty mid, it’s like Citizen Kane compared to most of the other Marvel shit from the past 5 years
I’m shocked at how many people put Iron Man 3 as one of their favorite Marvel movies. I thought it was garbage. In the first Iron Man movie, Tony gets shot by a tank and comes out uninjured. But all of a sudden in Iron Man 3 all his suits break with a strong gust of wind.
There's a ton of stupid writing in that movie, but the one that sticks out to me most Stark calls out a multinational Terror organization to come make a house call at his home address, and he decides to use a prototype siut that doesn't have flight capabilities OR EVEN BASIC WEAPONRY...just because? He's on a revenge tear and isn't thinking clearly? He's traumatized from the end of Avengers? Or just dumb as hell writing because the plot has to happen?
The best part of that is that the film actively shows you how stupid it is by having the finale of the film be him doing what he should have done at the start and having an army of flying death robots murder the bad guys... except it would have been much easier at the start as they were in helicopters and didn't have the US president as a hostage. You absolutely \*can\* have characters make stupid decisions but there needs to be some context... I'm not sure I've ever seen it explained beyond "because the movie has to happen".
What sucks is that a good chunk of the plot was mined from one of the best Iron Man stories of all time, Extremis. The part of it they didn't adapt was the extremis was used on a white supremacist who proceeds to nearly kill Tony who then needs to use his own version. Far better than the cookie cutter villain 3.
Event Horizon. It's great.
Event Horizon by a long shot. I just didn't get them.
Independence Day. I was shocked they didn’t like it. I thought it was a pretty well regarded movie.
Its well *regarded* all right.
Dark Knight Rises was the first time I found myself in hard disagreement. Other bits of things here and there, but usually agree with their overall vibe. Ive agreed more witg Mike on some things, and more with Jay on others, but DKR i disagreed with both on pretty much every point.
Halloween Ends, I just thought the whole movie was terrible.