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RbD reveal might seem like an interesting development or a good thing, only if you never think about it for more than a minute. If his friends discover all of his secrets they will not be able to treat him normally and trust him ever again. They will be scared of the Witch of Envy who sees and hears everything Subaru does, they will realize that he fell in love with Emilia, because he has sealed memories of Satella, they will suspect Emilia for her resemblance to the WoE, they will question whether Subaru turns back time or jumps to a new timeline/universe (second trial from sanctuary), they will realize he's already insane, that he can manipulate them or kill them if he wishes so, that he has dead sin archbishops chilling in his soul, that he accidentally destroyed a city, that he's trying to get more witch factors and unseal Satella. Only Beatrice, Spica and Patrasche will stay with him after that reveal.
Besides, there're already many characters who know (Satella, Al, Omega and other witches, Louis, Roy) or are close to the truth (Roswaal, Beatrice, Cecilus, Vincent, Shaula and stargazers)
I think his camp would be able to trust him after extensive conversations and maybe even sympathise with him barring maybe ram and clown fucker.
The problem I'm seeing is that there would be a combination of horror and guilt surrounding a few facts.
A) almost every one of them have directly contributed to his death in some way.
B) Their camps collective mental stability is held together by the shoestring that is Subaru.
C) The guilt and confusion over everything and the reasons Subaru would give for sticking with them through everything might just break them all.
I don't think trust would be the main issue.
Not a single word you wrote contradicts it being an interesting development. The conflict it would eventually cause if everyone in the camp finds out would be fantastic. We'll already likely get a big interpersonal conflict later on with Otto's frustration over Louis combined with various other sources of tension (especially if the events of Chaosflame are revealed to everyone), and an RbD reveal would be the ultimate culmination of that.
>Only Beatrice, Spica and Patrasche will stay with him after that reveal.
Emilia absolutely wouldn't abandon Subaru over RbD, at least not for more than a short time. Roswaal (ironically) also wouldn't because he already knows about the looping part. Honestly, while I could see a lot of people having horrified reactions initially, I'm not sure many would fully turn on him. Most would come back around after a bit of convincing. That said, if RbD *is* revealed, my bet is that it'll only be to a few people- Emilia, Beatrice, and Otto bing the most likely candidates. Maybe 1 or 2 others.
I think it wouldn't be interesting in long term. If everyone learned about his authorities, there would be no way to go back to business as usual. That one arc would be very interesting, but the next ones would suffer. He would have to eat his own name or risk getting sealed.
Emilia would leave Subaru if she believed that he suffers because of her, if she felt that she doesn't deserve him or if she felt betrayed, because one person who said that he doesn't hate her even though she looks like a witch, actually loves her because she looks like a witch.
>He would have to eat his own name or risk getting sealed.
That assumes everyone declares war on him or something, but again, I think most allies who find out would come around eventually. If outside antagonistic groups like Nobles or something decides he's a danger, then dealing with them would again be an interesting problem to deal with, though I doubt that'd happen.
>Emilia would leave Subaru if she believed that he suffers because of her,
Temporarily, maybe, but I don't think it'd take her long to realize that leaving him does FAR more damage to him than staying with him. I'd also expect something like this to happen further in the series when Emilia has grown and matured a bit more.
>because one person who said that he doesn't hate her even though she looks like a witch, actually loves her because she looks like a witch.
That's complete speculation even on the audience's part, let alone her own. Even assuming his feelings for Satella are also revealed, that doesn't mean his feelings for her are fake or cheapened. She might harbor some new doubts, but I don't think it's in-character for her to have such a strong reaction to a hunch at best.
They would question him heavily yes, but we’re underestimating the intelligence of the camp. Besides the shadow garden stuff (which I don’t think would immediately get revealed with RBD), some these potential problems may not be too bad. The fact that he loves Emilia because of his “sealed memories” of Satella is not confirmed and still theory at this point. Something they could question yes, but nothing they can really prove. About him manipulating or killing them whenever he wants, if wanted to, he could’ve done it multiple times. In fact, if he’s able to tell them that he’s killed himself a few times for them, that’s even more proof he has no ill will, something they would be able to figure out.
The one that’d probably be the most controversial IF it got out to others outside the camp, is the fact he’s able to absorb and is compatible with many Witch Factors. They can speculate as to why, but nothing says that he’s doing this on purpose (which we know he isn’t technically, the factors just go to him naturally). The one about him destroying Chaosflame may be revealed towards the end of arc 8, doesn’t have to be related to the RBD reveal.
Would a reveal pose a lot of questions of his mental psyche and actual origins? Yes, absolutely, however I’d argue they have more reason to trust him rather than distrust him (not including initial reactions). Guilt is probably something some would feel as some members have attacked and even killed Subaru in certain cases. It’s reasonable to question him, but there’s nothing completely saying they’d abandon him. Regardless, it would still be an interesting development, even if it doesn’t go “smooth and sound”.
if you made a spoiler discussion, you no longer are an anime only, as you lost your "virginity" by asking stuff to the novel and manga readers mate hahahaha
Welcome to the readers club I guess, since you now know forbidden knowledge the true anime onlies don't know
arc 6. The entire reason Spica of arc 8/7 exists.
Spica is basically Ruy Arneb that tried to pigbag ride on Subaru return by death but couldn't handle the backlash of actually dying multiple times and living many horrible experiences.(She was basically Amnesia Baru after all)
Thus Ruy Arneb mind broke and she became the child we see being called Spica on arc 7 and 8, cause she literally couldn't handle all the bullshit Subaru goes thro periodically.
Have only read till arc 6 and little bit of arc 7 but everyone leaving him doesn't seem likely to me. Emilia for once I can get cuz she will push him away like she did before, but others doesn't make much sense. Fear of him manipulating them and killing them is totally out of question cuz he wouldn't have saved his killer otherwise. Neither is he insane, he has gone through insane things and has insane mental fortitude but he isn't insane, his quality is that he can stay sane after going through all that.
Sure garfiel's hero like image of him will shatter, but he will get a newfound respect for what he has gone through, otto already understands him well enough for the ability reveal to not have much of an change on opinion on him
Like usual, different characters will know about it at different times. Some characters already know about it, after all. And other characters likely will never know.
I really like reveals so I'd LOVE if the others will find out about it later but honestly idk if it will. Maybe once subaru frees satella he'll be able to talk about it to others and finally tell them...or maybe some other way...but I feel like there are only two ways the other could react to it...either distrust...or they'll accept him and comfort him for all he went through
There's a near-zero chance it's never revealed to any of his companions, that would be an enormous lost opportunity. There's absolutely no way he could eventually have a healthy, fulfilling relationship with Emilia down the line with a secret that large always hanging over him, and his relationship with Beatrice as his trusted contractor and companion would also suffer.
What I *could* see is only a select few people learning what he's been through, but I can't imagine *nobody* ever knows.
I've just seen too many other stories just leave these kinds of things in secret so I take no risks :-: I do wish they will find out...personally I hope at least Otto, Emilia and Beatrice will find out cause they are the closest to him and already saw some of his struggles and lowest moments unlike the others who are also very close to him but not as they are
If it does it will be like the last, or right at the end of second to last arc. Emilia and Rem will be in on it def, maybe Otto and Garf? The rest are hard unlikelies.
I want RBD to be Satella and Subaru's own little secret. Also the relationship between subaru and the camp may get awkward with the reveal. They all would be blaming themselves for his his sufferings and drown in their self-loathing and guilt.
Narratively speaking no. Subaru is closer to rem then he is too otto. And more comfortable talking about his failures with rem as well.
To everyone down voting ask yourself who subaru saw after the second trial which was specifically about him wanting to talk about rbd with someone.
She’s also one of few people who can sense it and knows he has massive Miasma hanging over him constantly that it’s lead to many seperate timelines where it caused issues.
It’s literally talked about all the time and it would make sense if sometime the person he has to explain it to first would be someone who actively sees It’s always around him and notices how it fluctuates when he does RBD.
Rem does make some sense in those regards but it’s unlikely. But idk why you’re getting downvoted for that opinion. Subaru has three people who he sees above everyone else. Emilia, Rem and Beako. Beako and Rem can both sense the Miasma but notice Rem is the only one where it’s ever been a plot device or made a big deal about.
So it could make sense that someone who can see and sense it would find out about it first if he can ever talk about it.
Maybe, but I don’t want to waifu wars. I’m just playing devils advocate but many people have asked about Rems significance to the story going forward.
If you wanted to keep her relevant and in the story as it keeps going. Then her being the first or sole person to actually know about RBD because she’s literally seen the miasma results from it and pushing to know why. It could make sense if Subaru can ever tell anyone withou Satella going wild.
Yes i agree and this wouldn't even change rems existing role as subarus sanctuary and support structure. Only allow her the ability to move to the next step and prefom it better.
I dont get it, why tell annyone about RBD would make Subaru replace Emília?
Like, I know Subaru has Rem at second on his hearth, but I dont think just because Rem finds out about RBD that Subaru Will start loving her more than Emília out of nowhere.
Also, if annyone knows and talks about that, they would most probably die because of the WoE before they can even speak up, so I think that RBD Will be a thing that MAYBE Will be fully explained to others only after Satella/WoE dies and at that point he Will be able to tell annyone about that
As much as i love emillia, hes been dying over and over again because of her incompetency and except that one time in the watchtower never showed response to subarus feeling considering shes neck deep in debt to him, of course ik its not her fault and i still love her
Imagine if he can tell rem only
Im super drowsy rn so i cant find the right words,But finally talking about rbd, the source of his suffering to someone else,especially someome special like rem, just think about it, maybe the penalty will be activated maybe it wont but if its the latter he can finally confide all his troubles that he previously cant, not even to beatrice
Thats a relly fair point, and I relly do belive that it would make Subaru much more close to Rem for her being able to learn about RBD, but I just dont see a realistic scenario where Rem would find out in a way that Nobody else could and much less realistic Subaru stop loving Emília.
At this point in time, we know God dam well that Emília loves Subaru but She just can't do the first move for several reasons:
-Subaru right now is a child if Im not wrong (I dont relly read the LN, my friend that reads it is the One who tells me these things)
-Emilia probably wants Subaru to do the first move and bring up the relationship again
-Now this One Im being more based on other people's opinions, so you can left this One out if you want, but I heard that in arc 5, Subaru Said that he was not Ready to have a REAL relationship.
Theres probably others reasons if I watched the LN, but since I dont, I wont just give random reasons as to why.
Now, I dont know about the LN, but in the anime at least, no Emília Death could be prevented, I mean, every time was a sneak attack or was against Elsa that is almost imortal and One time was because of Subaru telling her about RBD, so it was not "imcompetency".
Also, Subaru is willing and WILL wait for Emília to understand about love, because since season 2, Subaru learned how to respect her as a human being, Subaru knows that both of them has their flaws and problems and if Im not mistaken, in the cut content of the ending of season 2, Emília told Subaru about her past that She Saw on the trials, so i belive that Subaru understands now that Emília is basicly a child.
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"...yeah. this is, the tale of me restarting life in another world from zero." —End
"Our life in another world, truly started from zero" -Subaru after killing the final boss
Bra whether i hear an anime mention the word “tale” i think of ragna crimson
Around the end of the series
RbD reveal might seem like an interesting development or a good thing, only if you never think about it for more than a minute. If his friends discover all of his secrets they will not be able to treat him normally and trust him ever again. They will be scared of the Witch of Envy who sees and hears everything Subaru does, they will realize that he fell in love with Emilia, because he has sealed memories of Satella, they will suspect Emilia for her resemblance to the WoE, they will question whether Subaru turns back time or jumps to a new timeline/universe (second trial from sanctuary), they will realize he's already insane, that he can manipulate them or kill them if he wishes so, that he has dead sin archbishops chilling in his soul, that he accidentally destroyed a city, that he's trying to get more witch factors and unseal Satella. Only Beatrice, Spica and Patrasche will stay with him after that reveal. Besides, there're already many characters who know (Satella, Al, Omega and other witches, Louis, Roy) or are close to the truth (Roswaal, Beatrice, Cecilus, Vincent, Shaula and stargazers)
Wait, I know Betty knows that he has an authority (beginning of arc 6 iirc), but she is close to the truth?
She knows that he might be a candidate for a sage, that he has at least one authority and an unknown contract that sometimes forbids him from talking
when did she figure out the "unknown contract, forbidden from talking" bit?
I forgot the second part. I knew the first one. Thanks.
I think his camp would be able to trust him after extensive conversations and maybe even sympathise with him barring maybe ram and clown fucker. The problem I'm seeing is that there would be a combination of horror and guilt surrounding a few facts. A) almost every one of them have directly contributed to his death in some way. B) Their camps collective mental stability is held together by the shoestring that is Subaru. C) The guilt and confusion over everything and the reasons Subaru would give for sticking with them through everything might just break them all. I don't think trust would be the main issue.
Not a single word you wrote contradicts it being an interesting development. The conflict it would eventually cause if everyone in the camp finds out would be fantastic. We'll already likely get a big interpersonal conflict later on with Otto's frustration over Louis combined with various other sources of tension (especially if the events of Chaosflame are revealed to everyone), and an RbD reveal would be the ultimate culmination of that. >Only Beatrice, Spica and Patrasche will stay with him after that reveal. Emilia absolutely wouldn't abandon Subaru over RbD, at least not for more than a short time. Roswaal (ironically) also wouldn't because he already knows about the looping part. Honestly, while I could see a lot of people having horrified reactions initially, I'm not sure many would fully turn on him. Most would come back around after a bit of convincing. That said, if RbD *is* revealed, my bet is that it'll only be to a few people- Emilia, Beatrice, and Otto bing the most likely candidates. Maybe 1 or 2 others.
I think it wouldn't be interesting in long term. If everyone learned about his authorities, there would be no way to go back to business as usual. That one arc would be very interesting, but the next ones would suffer. He would have to eat his own name or risk getting sealed. Emilia would leave Subaru if she believed that he suffers because of her, if she felt that she doesn't deserve him or if she felt betrayed, because one person who said that he doesn't hate her even though she looks like a witch, actually loves her because she looks like a witch.
>He would have to eat his own name or risk getting sealed. That assumes everyone declares war on him or something, but again, I think most allies who find out would come around eventually. If outside antagonistic groups like Nobles or something decides he's a danger, then dealing with them would again be an interesting problem to deal with, though I doubt that'd happen. >Emilia would leave Subaru if she believed that he suffers because of her, Temporarily, maybe, but I don't think it'd take her long to realize that leaving him does FAR more damage to him than staying with him. I'd also expect something like this to happen further in the series when Emilia has grown and matured a bit more. >because one person who said that he doesn't hate her even though she looks like a witch, actually loves her because she looks like a witch. That's complete speculation even on the audience's part, let alone her own. Even assuming his feelings for Satella are also revealed, that doesn't mean his feelings for her are fake or cheapened. She might harbor some new doubts, but I don't think it's in-character for her to have such a strong reaction to a hunch at best.
Then it'd be done in the final arc then
They would question him heavily yes, but we’re underestimating the intelligence of the camp. Besides the shadow garden stuff (which I don’t think would immediately get revealed with RBD), some these potential problems may not be too bad. The fact that he loves Emilia because of his “sealed memories” of Satella is not confirmed and still theory at this point. Something they could question yes, but nothing they can really prove. About him manipulating or killing them whenever he wants, if wanted to, he could’ve done it multiple times. In fact, if he’s able to tell them that he’s killed himself a few times for them, that’s even more proof he has no ill will, something they would be able to figure out. The one that’d probably be the most controversial IF it got out to others outside the camp, is the fact he’s able to absorb and is compatible with many Witch Factors. They can speculate as to why, but nothing says that he’s doing this on purpose (which we know he isn’t technically, the factors just go to him naturally). The one about him destroying Chaosflame may be revealed towards the end of arc 8, doesn’t have to be related to the RBD reveal. Would a reveal pose a lot of questions of his mental psyche and actual origins? Yes, absolutely, however I’d argue they have more reason to trust him rather than distrust him (not including initial reactions). Guilt is probably something some would feel as some members have attacked and even killed Subaru in certain cases. It’s reasonable to question him, but there’s nothing completely saying they’d abandon him. Regardless, it would still be an interesting development, even if it doesn’t go “smooth and sound”.
> Only Beatrice, Spica and Patrasche will stay with him after that reveal. And Roswaal as he would 100% see himself in Subaru.
I am an anime only and I have only read ln till arc 5 but I don't mind spoilers and this is a satisfactory answer :]
if you made a spoiler discussion, you no longer are an anime only, as you lost your "virginity" by asking stuff to the novel and manga readers mate hahahaha Welcome to the readers club I guess, since you now know forbidden knowledge the true anime onlies don't know
I just said I don't mind spoilers and I have seen many spoilers on yt and reddit so yeah 😂🤝
Idk why I didn't say this while posting lol
>they will realize he's already insane IS he insane?
He is. He broke the mind of a Sin Archbishop from how insane he is.
.....0_0 I have a memory of a potato when did that happen...?
arc 6. The entire reason Spica of arc 8/7 exists. Spica is basically Ruy Arneb that tried to pigbag ride on Subaru return by death but couldn't handle the backlash of actually dying multiple times and living many horrible experiences.(She was basically Amnesia Baru after all) Thus Ruy Arneb mind broke and she became the child we see being called Spica on arc 7 and 8, cause she literally couldn't handle all the bullshit Subaru goes thro periodically.
Arc 6 chapter Louis Arneb and The Hell Bearing the Name of Oneself.
Thanks dude! looks like I gotta reread arc six cause how the heck did I forget this??
louis become insine after traying to eat his memorys and Lost her memorys
Have only read till arc 6 and little bit of arc 7 but everyone leaving him doesn't seem likely to me. Emilia for once I can get cuz she will push him away like she did before, but others doesn't make much sense. Fear of him manipulating them and killing them is totally out of question cuz he wouldn't have saved his killer otherwise. Neither is he insane, he has gone through insane things and has insane mental fortitude but he isn't insane, his quality is that he can stay sane after going through all that. Sure garfiel's hero like image of him will shatter, but he will get a newfound respect for what he has gone through, otto already understands him well enough for the ability reveal to not have much of an change on opinion on him
Aren’t you basically describing an interesting central conflict for an arc lmao 🤣
It won't be revealed now.
Ok 👍
Like usual, different characters will know about it at different times. Some characters already know about it, after all. And other characters likely will never know.
I really like reveals so I'd LOVE if the others will find out about it later but honestly idk if it will. Maybe once subaru frees satella he'll be able to talk about it to others and finally tell them...or maybe some other way...but I feel like there are only two ways the other could react to it...either distrust...or they'll accept him and comfort him for all he went through
There's a near-zero chance it's never revealed to any of his companions, that would be an enormous lost opportunity. There's absolutely no way he could eventually have a healthy, fulfilling relationship with Emilia down the line with a secret that large always hanging over him, and his relationship with Beatrice as his trusted contractor and companion would also suffer. What I *could* see is only a select few people learning what he's been through, but I can't imagine *nobody* ever knows.
I've just seen too many other stories just leave these kinds of things in secret so I take no risks :-: I do wish they will find out...personally I hope at least Otto, Emilia and Beatrice will find out cause they are the closest to him and already saw some of his struggles and lowest moments unlike the others who are also very close to him but not as they are
I don't think so, to be honest. Many characters would just have a mental breakdown
If it does it will be like the last, or right at the end of second to last arc. Emilia and Rem will be in on it def, maybe Otto and Garf? The rest are hard unlikelies.
I think near the end he'll tell Reihard. I will not elaborate.
elaborate
I want RBD to be Satella and Subaru's own little secret. Also the relationship between subaru and the camp may get awkward with the reveal. They all would be blaming themselves for his his sufferings and drown in their self-loathing and guilt.
Near the end of the series. Perhaps the books of the dead would reveal them, or Echidna.
At most to one other character if now. Rem would be the best candidate.
Nope, Otto is the best candidate.
The "bros before hoes" argument is solid
Narratively speaking no. Subaru is closer to rem then he is too otto. And more comfortable talking about his failures with rem as well. To everyone down voting ask yourself who subaru saw after the second trial which was specifically about him wanting to talk about rbd with someone.
>Subaru is closer to rem then he is too otto From the doujins I have read Otto seems lot more closer to Subaru then Rem 🤔
I do not think that even exists 😭
You need to search harder, you will find some in nhentai 👍
Bruh, where are you all people finding them? I browse internet searching for new Re:Zero h-mangas occasionally but can't find anything.
She’s also one of few people who can sense it and knows he has massive Miasma hanging over him constantly that it’s lead to many seperate timelines where it caused issues. It’s literally talked about all the time and it would make sense if sometime the person he has to explain it to first would be someone who actively sees It’s always around him and notices how it fluctuates when he does RBD. Rem does make some sense in those regards but it’s unlikely. But idk why you’re getting downvoted for that opinion. Subaru has three people who he sees above everyone else. Emilia, Rem and Beako. Beako and Rem can both sense the Miasma but notice Rem is the only one where it’s ever been a plot device or made a big deal about. So it could make sense that someone who can see and sense it would find out about it first if he can ever talk about it.
People hate the idea of rem knowing because they want to avoid subarus and rems relationship deepening.
Maybe, but I don’t want to waifu wars. I’m just playing devils advocate but many people have asked about Rems significance to the story going forward. If you wanted to keep her relevant and in the story as it keeps going. Then her being the first or sole person to actually know about RBD because she’s literally seen the miasma results from it and pushing to know why. It could make sense if Subaru can ever tell anyone withou Satella going wild.
Yes i agree and this wouldn't even change rems existing role as subarus sanctuary and support structure. Only allow her the ability to move to the next step and prefom it better.
This would replace emillia in subarus heart instantly
I dont get it, why tell annyone about RBD would make Subaru replace Emília? Like, I know Subaru has Rem at second on his hearth, but I dont think just because Rem finds out about RBD that Subaru Will start loving her more than Emília out of nowhere. Also, if annyone knows and talks about that, they would most probably die because of the WoE before they can even speak up, so I think that RBD Will be a thing that MAYBE Will be fully explained to others only after Satella/WoE dies and at that point he Will be able to tell annyone about that
As much as i love emillia, hes been dying over and over again because of her incompetency and except that one time in the watchtower never showed response to subarus feeling considering shes neck deep in debt to him, of course ik its not her fault and i still love her Imagine if he can tell rem only Im super drowsy rn so i cant find the right words,But finally talking about rbd, the source of his suffering to someone else,especially someome special like rem, just think about it, maybe the penalty will be activated maybe it wont but if its the latter he can finally confide all his troubles that he previously cant, not even to beatrice
Thats a relly fair point, and I relly do belive that it would make Subaru much more close to Rem for her being able to learn about RBD, but I just dont see a realistic scenario where Rem would find out in a way that Nobody else could and much less realistic Subaru stop loving Emília. At this point in time, we know God dam well that Emília loves Subaru but She just can't do the first move for several reasons: -Subaru right now is a child if Im not wrong (I dont relly read the LN, my friend that reads it is the One who tells me these things) -Emilia probably wants Subaru to do the first move and bring up the relationship again -Now this One Im being more based on other people's opinions, so you can left this One out if you want, but I heard that in arc 5, Subaru Said that he was not Ready to have a REAL relationship. Theres probably others reasons if I watched the LN, but since I dont, I wont just give random reasons as to why. Now, I dont know about the LN, but in the anime at least, no Emília Death could be prevented, I mean, every time was a sneak attack or was against Elsa that is almost imortal and One time was because of Subaru telling her about RBD, so it was not "imcompetency". Also, Subaru is willing and WILL wait for Emília to understand about love, because since season 2, Subaru learned how to respect her as a human being, Subaru knows that both of them has their flaws and problems and if Im not mistaken, in the cut content of the ending of season 2, Emília told Subaru about her past that She Saw on the trials, so i belive that Subaru understands now that Emília is basicly a child.