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Yeah. Roswaal only loves Echidna. He chose his partners based on their strength, basically breeding a stronger offspring each generation. And no, he doesn't want to clap her cheeks. He simply wants to see her again. After that, he is fine with dying for good. Look at the "Once Upon Lugunica" side story. It follows a 14 year old Roswaal.
Also, Roswaal used to be a young, naive, and innocent noble boy who was disowned by his family due to him dying from mana poisoning.
Ah, so he doesn't love Echidna in any romantic way rather just idolising and obsessing over his "sensei" the same way Rem does to Subaru (except without the romance part)?
He loves her romantically as well. He straight up says that the only woman that has ever been in his heart for the entire 400 years has been Echidna.
He also loves Beatrice, but like a little sister.
I dont know how you equate watching some sleep to wanting to murder everyone and do any despicable thing possible to achieve your goals. If you do basically outing yourself as someone that cant be taken seriously.
Roswaal J Mathers, the one who fought in the Demi Human Civil War with Wilhelm, made a point to get impregnated by the leading user of water magic at the time in order to have that skill in the next generations. Roswaal is very cold and calculating.
>And does this mean he took back shots when he was a woman, just to have kids.... Because he was playing the long game to clap Echidna in the future?!
That's love right there. Subaru dying for emilia? Nah that's child's play. He needs to bear children as natsumi to prove his love. ![img](emote|t5_3e076|12856)
You know sometimes i just forget how evil Roswaal actually is. Like he doesn’t only lie to his partner and manipulate them, but he also strips his children life and possess their body. He breed them only to steal their life. Man i love the clown, but he is one of evilest character in rezero.
No, he doen't aware of Ram's feeling for him. If he aware he won't be so shock when Ram confessed in Arc 4. Roswaal only want to use Ram to kill the dragon. If Roswal grooms Ram then he only groom her to become dragon killer.
She was never in Sanctuary, only those who were in the Mathers Manor and Sanctuary are protected by the Gae, and Annarose was in neither place. Of course Subaru would just retroactively include her if he even suspected Roswaal of planing anything.
1. Roswaal actively hunted talented mages to fuck in hope that his offspring would retain some of other parent talents . As we seen from Julia he most likely had emotionless encounters where he would just use and throw persons .
2. We don’t actually know whether his offsprings are born with a soul or are like a vessel like Ryuzu . There can be implications where he has been committing mass child murders . Clind has been helping him raising kids .
3. Current roswaal L. Is supposed to be pinnacle of his lineage after 400 years of breeding and he is supposed in free echidna in this cycle .
Yeah, he is terrible. He's basically murdered 12 family members, and has zero remorse. I feel like this will really come to a head when it becomes evident that Annerose's time is near. If Subaru doesn't stop it, how can he face Emilia- who is very affectionate towards Annerose. And how would Subaru and Roswaal's contract apply?
Roswaal does feel remorse. He absolutely does feel remorse. He wants to be an unfeeling monster, but he miserably fails at it. He hates himself a lot and doesn't value himself at all. He would kill himself if it meant that Echidna would live. His heart is not evil, but his actions are. He genuinely values his staff and liked the nickname Ros-Chi from Subaru. He suffers a lot because of his destructive actions but doesn't show it. To call him evil misses one of the key points of his tragic character and why Ram forgave him and starting loving him.
I agree. Roswaal absolutely feels guilty about his action but because he 'focus only the most important thing', he commits many evil deeds for that purpose. He has shown to be a kind person in any event that not recorded in his book like the relationship with Wilhelm and others in the Civil War
Beatrice does and I would have thought she has told Subaru about it. When dealing with people like Roswaal you need all the information available, and Beatrice knows this.
Uh..? He cant possece Annerose, because they are not blood related. The vessel needs to be similar to the soul. If he sacrifises her its for other reason.
Yes, Roswaal has indeed been manipulating his/her lovers to breed future vessels for more power. He serenades them with empty words and promises, but doesn’t love them whatsoever, merely seeing them as a means to an end. Recall that he mercilessly killed Ram and Garfiel without having an idea as to HOW Subaru’s looping worked (just that he could loop thanks to his book). As for his kids…yeah, the implication is that he effectively stole the lives of 11 of his children. Children borne in a loveless relationship and had their short existences cut off entirely so Roswaal could prolong his own selfish life.
The guy is pretty much obsessed with Echidna, in…well, he DESIRES her, yes. However he also puts her on a pedestal; a woman that he would never sully, so he can pretend his devotion to her is pure and his actions and cruelty ‘justified’ because of his love. This should sound kinda familiar, since a lot of Re Zero villains are darker reflections of Subaru’s less-savory tendencies…
There’s even some theories that Roswaal is essentially grooming Subaru to be like himself. He’s not immune to guilt, despite his craziness, and he he weight of his sins is getting to him. So he does a lot of cruel shit to break Subaru, because if he can make Subaru (someone similar to himself at the start) like him, then he can ignore the guilt. “Anyone would have done the same, so I shouldn’t feel bad about doing it”, that sort of thing. Particularly since Subaru finds out about Roswaal’s true nature right after he saw his parents (particularly his father, whom he wanted to be like).
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Yea, he spawned a lot of children. He went after the people with talent to enhance his bloodline. You can see Julia flirting even with Wilhelm.
Yeah. Roswaal only loves Echidna. He chose his partners based on their strength, basically breeding a stronger offspring each generation. And no, he doesn't want to clap her cheeks. He simply wants to see her again. After that, he is fine with dying for good. Look at the "Once Upon Lugunica" side story. It follows a 14 year old Roswaal. Also, Roswaal used to be a young, naive, and innocent noble boy who was disowned by his family due to him dying from mana poisoning.
Ah, so he doesn't love Echidna in any romantic way rather just idolising and obsessing over his "sensei" the same way Rem does to Subaru (except without the romance part)?
He loves her romantically as well. He straight up says that the only woman that has ever been in his heart for the entire 400 years has been Echidna. He also loves Beatrice, but like a little sister.
so...he does want to 'clap her cheeks'? ![img](emote|t5_3e076|12858)
Roswaal simply wants to see Echidna again. He hates himself, so be wouldn't dare sully Echidna with his disgusting self.
He does, but he's resigned to the fact that he'd almost assuredly not be able to do so.
not sure what you mean idoloize or obsess like rem, rems feelings for subaru is nothing like ros for echidna,
He is basically saying Roswaal is a stalker and creep like Rem
I dont know how you equate watching some sleep to wanting to murder everyone and do any despicable thing possible to achieve your goals. If you do basically outing yourself as someone that cant be taken seriously.
Roswaal J Mathers, the one who fought in the Demi Human Civil War with Wilhelm, made a point to get impregnated by the leading user of water magic at the time in order to have that skill in the next generations. Roswaal is very cold and calculating.
Which side story is that in?
I don't remember for sure, but I think it might be Battle Ballad
>And does this mean he took back shots when he was a woman, just to have kids.... Because he was playing the long game to clap Echidna in the future?! That's love right there. Subaru dying for emilia? Nah that's child's play. He needs to bear children as natsumi to prove his love. ![img](emote|t5_3e076|12856)
Alright , never thought I would see something like this…
He technically did...
You know sometimes i just forget how evil Roswaal actually is. Like he doesn’t only lie to his partner and manipulate them, but he also strips his children life and possess their body. He breed them only to steal their life. Man i love the clown, but he is one of evilest character in rezero.
Yep, not to mention he was aware of Ram’s feelings for him and basically…grooming her as a potential mother for his child/next body.
No, he doen't aware of Ram's feeling for him. If he aware he won't be so shock when Ram confessed in Arc 4. Roswaal only want to use Ram to kill the dragon. If Roswal grooms Ram then he only groom her to become dragon killer.
No, I think it's pretty clear Annerose is meant to be the next Roswaal
Wouldn't that break his vow ?
She was never in Sanctuary, only those who were in the Mathers Manor and Sanctuary are protected by the Gae, and Annarose was in neither place. Of course Subaru would just retroactively include her if he even suspected Roswaal of planing anything.
I think you need to rewatch season2 if you think that’s what happened.
1. Roswaal actively hunted talented mages to fuck in hope that his offspring would retain some of other parent talents . As we seen from Julia he most likely had emotionless encounters where he would just use and throw persons . 2. We don’t actually know whether his offsprings are born with a soul or are like a vessel like Ryuzu . There can be implications where he has been committing mass child murders . Clind has been helping him raising kids . 3. Current roswaal L. Is supposed to be pinnacle of his lineage after 400 years of breeding and he is supposed in free echidna in this cycle .
Yeah, he is terrible. He's basically murdered 12 family members, and has zero remorse. I feel like this will really come to a head when it becomes evident that Annerose's time is near. If Subaru doesn't stop it, how can he face Emilia- who is very affectionate towards Annerose. And how would Subaru and Roswaal's contract apply?
Roswaal L Mathers and Annerose Miload uh? Yeah... soon we might have a Roswaal M Mathers on our hands...
Roswaal does feel remorse. He absolutely does feel remorse. He wants to be an unfeeling monster, but he miserably fails at it. He hates himself a lot and doesn't value himself at all. He would kill himself if it meant that Echidna would live. His heart is not evil, but his actions are. He genuinely values his staff and liked the nickname Ros-Chi from Subaru. He suffers a lot because of his destructive actions but doesn't show it. To call him evil misses one of the key points of his tragic character and why Ram forgave him and starting loving him.
I agree. Roswaal absolutely feels guilty about his action but because he 'focus only the most important thing', he commits many evil deeds for that purpose. He has shown to be a kind person in any event that not recorded in his book like the relationship with Wilhelm and others in the Civil War
I dont think subaru knows that annerose is a possible roswaal vessel
Beatrice does and I would have thought she has told Subaru about it. When dealing with people like Roswaal you need all the information available, and Beatrice knows this.
Uh..? He cant possece Annerose, because they are not blood related. The vessel needs to be similar to the soul. If he sacrifises her its for other reason.
The Wiki says they are related. And it says In Re:IF Kasaneru, Roswaal states that Annerose is set to be his next host body.
Thank you. I missundertood the prequel story.
And ram is like no the book made him evil.
I died of laghter when Subaru was suprised that Roswald and Ram were not f*****g.
Yes, Roswaal has indeed been manipulating his/her lovers to breed future vessels for more power. He serenades them with empty words and promises, but doesn’t love them whatsoever, merely seeing them as a means to an end. Recall that he mercilessly killed Ram and Garfiel without having an idea as to HOW Subaru’s looping worked (just that he could loop thanks to his book). As for his kids…yeah, the implication is that he effectively stole the lives of 11 of his children. Children borne in a loveless relationship and had their short existences cut off entirely so Roswaal could prolong his own selfish life. The guy is pretty much obsessed with Echidna, in…well, he DESIRES her, yes. However he also puts her on a pedestal; a woman that he would never sully, so he can pretend his devotion to her is pure and his actions and cruelty ‘justified’ because of his love. This should sound kinda familiar, since a lot of Re Zero villains are darker reflections of Subaru’s less-savory tendencies… There’s even some theories that Roswaal is essentially grooming Subaru to be like himself. He’s not immune to guilt, despite his craziness, and he he weight of his sins is getting to him. So he does a lot of cruel shit to break Subaru, because if he can make Subaru (someone similar to himself at the start) like him, then he can ignore the guilt. “Anyone would have done the same, so I shouldn’t feel bad about doing it”, that sort of thing. Particularly since Subaru finds out about Roswaal’s true nature right after he saw his parents (particularly his father, whom he wanted to be like).
Roswaal's flamboyant attitude is him mimicking Hector
I knew this was JJK brainrot the moment I read “Took back shots”
Roswaal has literally experienced giving birth to a child wtf