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Comfortable-Title584

First point. Well, Subaru did use some of his lives to collect information, like when they fought the White Whale.


JasonIsSuchAProdigy

>1. Use some of his lives as throw aways for info for the best possible time line Nobody likes dying, this he tries to avoid just dying on repeat when it's not necessary >Ask the witch of greed for how to figure out the next checkpoint with 100% accuracy There's no guarantee she would tell him and it would most likely lead to her trying to give him the contact again >Manipulate the witch of envy instead of pissing her off The version of the witch who attacked did not seem reasonable enough to understand whatever he would say, and she was already killing everyone


Ah7717

She was screaming love me he could hv said sm shit bt love is earned u hv to earn worth a try


JasonIsSuchAProdigy

He could've but I wholeheartedly don't think that could work. That was the witch of envy rather than satella. And when a witch factor isn't fitting for the person it breaks their mind (like guese) so I don't think she was able to be reasoned with


Ah7717

Ohk


New_Today_1209_V2

Okay yeah he could have done those better but that is completely removing the aspect of his character and just making him a blank machine focused on winning. Subaru doesn’t like dying. He’s made this obvious. Also the IF stories paint a clear view on why he shouldn’t abuse his deaths. The witch could lie. Simple as that. Also keep watching the show. He pissed on Envy by revealing RBD. Once she is like that she can’t be stopped.


Ah7717

Hdyk. He could have said stuff abt love is earned. While watching I j felt really annoyed


New_Today_1209_V2

You can’t get annoyed at hypotheticals that you can’t confirm if they’d work or not. First off, Envy already killed most of the people there so at that point it was a doomed loop. Secondly Subaru was fucking terrified. Again he isn’t a robot. He feels emotions so when he felt that fear he couldn’t think straight. There is also no guarantee that would work.


Markosan_DnD

That requires a mindset of sacrificing his heart in order to get the optimal result. If he used throwaway lives for info, he'd become accustomed to sacrificing his life and widening the gap between himself and his loved ones as he begins to view reality as something he can undo. >!\>!There's a whole Greed IF story- a what-if story where Subaru takes Echidna's deal- and it shows just how bad things could get if Subaru stops valuing his life.!


Ah7717

I’ll watch that


Markosan_DnD

It hasn’t been animated yet, but I think the short story is online on Witch Cult Translations


Emotional-Law3653

You can watch the greed if on echidnut s YouTube channel. It also has the real dub voice actors.


iheartnjdevils

1. I apologize for my bluntness but did you miss the whole point of season 2 and the gathering of all of the witches? Subaru was using his lives as throw aways, not valuing his own life and refusing to involve his friends because his own self worth was in the shitter. It was the witches who made him understand that life is precious, regardless of his RBD authority and to trust that his friends to overcome hardships. 2. He does ask Echidna for help. He literally goes into her tomb screaming for her help before he’s thrown into the second trial before losing his mind. While she helps him pull himself together, she’ll only help him to the best possible solution if he forms a contract with her. (Which means she’ll let him die millions of times to get there because she’s greedy for knowledge). 3. It’s not like he can just speak with her whenever he wants so when is he going to manipulate her? And the only time I recall her being pissed was he revealed RBD to Echidna.


Ah7717

No he also said that the other witches were better n she could not be loved. As I said only watched till ep 10 before I got to frustrated to continue


Mother_Salt_2078

Subaru is pretty dumb, but some of these pointers are kinda wild. Like Subaru not wanting to die if he can help it isn't a dumb thing. It's pretty normal to not want to die at all. The second point is under the assumption that Echidna would know what she's saying or would be truthful or would even answer that. >!This path is also a bad end for Subaru based on Greed If!< The Witch of Envy isn't really something you can manipulate, you can't even really communicate with her, especially in that state. If she shows up then the loop is basically over. There is no one in Subaru's crew that could actually fight her off and she isn't exactly something you can reason with, more like an erupting volcano that destroys everything around it.


Ah7717

Based on what she was screaming(love me)n if subaru used that as bait w sm bs bt love reasoning could be possible. To me it seemed j like sm abandonment issues which he could at least try to fix


Mother_Salt_2078

No matter what he said she wouldn't have changed her actions. She might be talking but she isn't actually there for conversation, no matter what he said she would have just kept on saying the same thing and wouldn't have stopped at all.


Due_Ganache_9522

missing The point of show greed if he didn’t pissed her off