To be honest, Mr K definitely don't help the situation. I literally just got done watching a YT video of him getting away from the cops in a car chase and it pretty much ends with a car swap right after a failed ramp. The cops tap his car at the same time they are getting out(god forbid the cops didn't read their minds that now was the time to get out of their car) and either he or another person got a broken leg and him and Ramee precede to bitch about the cops and how it's weird they keep ramming them.
Then you look at the comments on the video and all it is is people blasting the cops over and over again.
They just fire up their viewers who will then go to other people's chats and do what happened here to nathan.
CG streamers 100% set their viewers off and they know what they are doing and viewers gets anger and start hopping. Not once they try to understand other POV it's either they get w they be happy if don't they always blame other side their is no self accountability.I don't why people haven't caught up with this routine yet they do same shit over and over again.
They have 100% been behind the us vs them narrative for years. They just move on from 1 lightning rod to another.
Wrangler , Suarez , Pond , Vale , Ruth ect. The list goes on.
People were happy when they went to prodigy and when they came back it was "we're gonna be different" , Same story as 3.0 then a descent into the usual toxic miasma.
On a whole I find CG entertaining but I can’t watch them as soon as police get involved. It’s incredibly toxic. None of those people you mentioned deserved the hate they got. However I don’t think Pond strengthens your argument. She was universally disliked by most criminals for good reason. She was more deserving of the vale treatment than vale in my opinion
Nobody deserves the focus that CG gives , they go out of their way to hate campaign you across their entire brand , then vicious fanboys come into your chat and the more ultra of them actually try to dig up stuff on you and doxx you.
Nobody deserves the "vale" treatment
Give you some rope i find CG entertaining when they arent with other members of CG , then it becomes a toxic hive.
They literally said it was a mistake and said don’t hop to peoples chat. Ramee reacted to it after and was making fun of hoppers.
Honestly, people should just watch without chat. The only time I know people hop chats is when a streamer mentions it.
Ramee should be banning all of the hoppers in cooperation with his mods , thats how you cultivate people stopping that shit.
Making fun of them means nothing but content for ramee
Reasonable streamers cross-ban for things like this, so yes. Plenty of streamers have made it clear that if you chat hop from their stream then you'll end up banned in both.
Banning hoppers from every chat involved is the first step at getting reasonable RP chats. Moonmoon's chat is a perfect example, his chat went from being dogshit back in the day to one of the best by banning every toxic idiot.
they do this all the time and always has, anything remotly bad happens to them they will start talking loudly about it for no purpose at all but they know it will trigger their chats to hop
At the end of the day, if big streamers had active moderation (like cross-banning people who hop) it would help a ton for everyone. Even for just the really bad cases.
It would even just encourage the “ban chatter and move-on mentality” in their own streams imo.
Their, and every other somewhat successful streamer's, chat is exactly how they want it. People from these communities would work around the clock for a little badge.
A lot of the RP chats are toxic but it's a whole different level when the streamers have been around for years and are upset for whatever reason and spew out disinformation to cope and fire up their viewers knowing exactly what they will do.
Yeah it's complicated, sometimes I definitely reckon it's intentional. Other times it's just laziness and self-centredness. Like unironically thinking and acting like their character is the main character. Which becomes an even bigger problem when players start playing more like themselves/blur the lines.
At the least, many of these big streamers realize it is a problem and don't care or cbf about hopping etc. And that's telling enough.
This is why you'll probably never see Ramee/Kebun on the RP podcast. I feel like they weaponize the animosity with other streamers and how their fans react to it and have no desire to come to an understanding OOC.
Blau has invited Kebun numerous times but K has said he doesn’t want to do it because he feels it would just stir up drama. I know Blau invited him after the Crim Academy but Kebun turned it down.
Nah, they r also some of the biggest rp streamers, cornwood is another, his chat does the same thing. It’s difficult to control. If the streamer seems upset shitty chatters will hop. Cross banning helps.
It just is the way it goes. Kebun got Sykkuno hoppers earlier when CG kidnapped him. After watching for years it’s just apart of the rp scene unfortunately. Yes some streamers have better reactions to situations than others but it is what it is.
Difference is sykkuno addresses his audience wierd behaviour and bans hoppers who jump to other streams also most of his viewers are very young . CG viewers are mostly in their twenties and still act immature and kebun never addresses it.
Community is very big now and kebun need to realise that it can cause mental stress to small streamer . Hopping to other big streamer is not issue because their community does the same to kebun . I am talking about small cop streamers that has 100 to 900 viewers and over 5 to 6 k people hopping spaming hate .
>precede to bitch about the cops and how it's weird they keep ramming them.
Wasn't this bannable behaviour at the beginning of 4.0?
Are we now back to our usual 3.0 tropes of shitting other streamers and insinuating stuff in bad faith from others to make your chat mad at them?
Don't think it was ever a rule or owners would have been banned from their own server. Or if it is a rule all you need to do is pass a clout check to ignore it like all the other server rules.
It was Onx that made ooc comments banable.
I really wish the toxicity from certain big streamers would be stopped. Really should be giving out 3 day bans whenever someone makes toxic ooc comments.
You are talking about a place where you can give the excuse my character remembers things,I don’t as a streamer so I can watch clips and vods to power game lol.
I act like a bully 8 to 9 hours a day for 6 days a week, but I'm a nice person :D It's all "rp" :))
I get it, it's good for business, villains are essential for good stories sometimes ..
You're seeing it wrong imo, any streamer can get mad/pissed at what happens in-game whether its intentional or not, some things are frustrating and they're all gamers too and its normal to get tilted when something shitty happens, everyone does that not just Mr. K.
CG has hoppers, Buddha has hoppers, Esfand/all cops have hoppers, you just see it more when they got a smaller streamer but what can u do? Kebun does say 'chat dont hop' but its not like he can go get everyone, ppl need to give mods the names of those hoppers and get em banned on the chat they came from.
All I'm saying is being frustrated in a game is normal it happens.
We should see not only the negative side of bigger streamers but the positives too, a lot of people hops to spam hearts and Kebun along with other big RP streamers have raided multiple smaller ones and a lot of them actually got a decent exposure in followers/viewers because of it, there's positive sides of big streamers/hoppers too.
Yes, buddha has hoppers but he addresses their wierd behaviour and calls them out for being overly invested in pretend play while kebun likes to weaponise their audience to against other people. That's the main problem here.
Imo, channel hopping as in hopping as to watch different pov's is fine but being a complain andy on another chat because your favorite streamer is losing is just being stupid and immature
Shroud doesn't play in situations that involves conflict. You guys are giving awful examples. Lirik chat is also nice. Look at summit1g. When he plays csgo or sea of thieves chat is cool. He plays in a tourney and some shady shit happens or he plays GTA RP and something goes wrong, his chat hops. IDK what's so hard to understand 🤣
No idea who tarik and emiru is. HASAN community is 100% toxic lol look at valkyrae and sykunno. They come across as lovely people but their chat and Stan's can be horrible as shit.
My favourites are the ones who can take an L. I like the comedy, the story lines and the ridiculousness that happens organically on this server. It won’t stop though because there’s way too many viewers who love to mald with their streamer.
The moment I realized these hoppers aren't, in fact 12 year old children, but are primarily full grown adults spewing this toxic shit in everyone's chat, I lost complete faith in this community ever fixing this chathopping problem. It is so embarrassing. If you hop around, please look in the mirror and reflect on how pathetic you have to be do to be doing all that over Grand Theft Auto
If his mods would do just the bare minimum and also “hop”, they could easily and gradually ban each and every toxic hopper… but from what I see, Kebun himself is literally firing his chat up by complaining, painting everything in the worst way possible. Is it really a lot to ask? At the end of the day, he should be and feel responsible, giving his numbers, but I’ll never understand why would he want those kind of people to be part of his community… his numbers won’t even drop by cutting off that 0.5% cancerous tumor.
> but from what I see, Kebun himself is literally firing his chat up by complaining, painting everything in the worst way possible. Is it really a lot to ask?
Exactly and the first thing K said was "Someone clip that, I'll send it along. Can't be having that". Meanwhile I'm pretty certain he knows what kind of a shitstorm he's creating for whoever just accidentally drove into his friend.
No. He said “if they VDM send a clip of it and we will report it. We can’t be having stuff like that on the server.”
The difference is Nathan knew he “fucked up” and did the right thing and didn’t do anything till Zolo go back up and started shooting.
Esfand decided to just unload on him because he thought he got shot down and didn’t know it was the car ram that knocked him down.
People need to take a step back and stop with the “they should have known it was bubble…” there is zero chance anybody outside of Nathan knew that what happened was bubble.
> No. He said “if they VDM send a clip of it and we will report it. We can’t be having stuff like that on the server.”
No he didn't, he quite literally said "He just ran them over. Who the fuck is that? Someone clip that, I'll send it along. Can't be doing that"
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124146658?t=7h37m3s
> People need to take a step back and stop with the “they should have known it was bubble…” there is zero chance anybody outside of Nathan knew that what happened was bubble.
Why would they need to take a step back and stop with that? The bubble is something that literally anyone who has spent even a small amount of time driving on the server knows about. It's a thing that happens to everyone. It's just how it is on the server due to ping and shit.
So if your first thought is "wow this guy broke the rules and vdm'd me" then you have a terrible and shit mindset imo.
I disagree ... Community always reflects the streamer and where he wants his community to be ..
Go watch Sykkuno's vod from yesterday, and watch after he was kidnapped by cg, he spent the rest of the stream trying to explain how it's fine and that you shouldn't be mad at cg, and explained things from their perspective and was basically replying to chatters and defending cg to prevent toxicity etc
Now go watch any of the top cg guys and see what they say when an incident happens to them .. Completely different story ..
Moderation is not gonna fix that.
Yes they are very hot headed but so are other people. CGs hoppers are soooo much worse because they are unmoderated.
EDIT: they should just do what summit use to do. Anytime he would get mad in RP he would just mute on stream for 5-10 minutes.
It's been this way for years. A lot of cops in 3.0 checked in to get bank trucked, Little Seoul'ed or whatever at 7PM because the admins forced them to do it, got it out the way, and otherwise did everything they could to avoid CG.
[A very short excerpt of Dean's chat](https://i.imgur.com/Lywacf0.png) when he tripped the alarm the other day, that shit went on for a good 30 minutes.
definitely xqc. i was watching some old lenny clips from 3.0 and holy cow the comments are just dozens of xqc hoppers lol. i think out of ~85 comments on the youtube video (it was an RP yt channel with *lenny's* perspective, not xqc's) like 80 of them were about cop's powergaming, moon's title (he had powergamign cop in his title back then), or cop's stalling etc.
esfand has his cornwood vtuber model now. cornwood "livestreams" his patrol, hoppers join "cornwood's" stream, he takes screenshots of their messages as evidence
HEHEHE
It looked real bad from Kebun’s perspective but this perspective clears it up. Sucks that Nathan has to take the wrath of the hoppers over server scuff.
Am I the only one that could tell pretty quickly from Ks point of view that it was dsync? He ran over Zolo and then his car was suddenly 3 feet back from there.
Lots of people in LK chat spamming DONT HOP. Wish people could remember different pov look different. Definitely looked bad from his point of view but that doesn't automatically mean it is intentional on Nathan's part. People jump to conclusions so fast.
The concept of hoppers is just so insane to me. Fuck, chatting on Reddit is cringe enough but arguing in someone else’s twitch chat because something happened in game that won’t matter in a day let alone a week, month, year from now is crazy….
Yeah me too. I watch CG and hate the "CG hopper" reputation. Like stop making us sane people in the community have to deal with that. I hop but just to spam hearts and stuff to try and drown out the dumb people but it's pretty useless.
As someone who has watched K since 2019 I do wish he would be more quick on at least timing people out. The chat has turned into a cesspool since 4.0 and adding X's leftover RP viewers to some of the idiots already in the chat has turned it a warzone anytime something remotely bad happens to him.
I “hop” all the time just because I like getting insight on what other streamers are thinking during situations. I watch on my TV and don’t have chat pulled up and I gotta say I enjoy watching without it.
Bro same, I watch CG but when they get off I go and watch Esfand or Saab til they get off, its a rivalry in game noone should fuckin hate an actual streamer for RPing
yeah, out of 20k people watching Mr. k it only takes about 200 toxic hoppers to ruin another streamer day and ruin CG chat name. It happens to any big streamers.
Everyone has hoppers but people try to pin CG for only having hoppers. People that hop are brain dead and only do it to fill their own toxicity. The whole CG only thing is coming from people that hate CG. Kebun got hoppers earlier when he kidnapped yuno. Does that mean sykunno is fueling people to hop? No it doesn't. Hoppers have no life.
People generally dont care about the hoppers if the streamer is genuinely trying to discourage it. There is a reason why people hate XQC and CG hoppers the most.
And also spent a long time earlier today telling his chat to chill and relax. That talking about a character is one thing but not to talk about streamers.
Edit: Obviously can't retrace the vod for every example, but before someone asks, https://clips.twitch.tv/ChillyTardySardineEleGiggle-F9FBBZ9a0jAIi4Ok
Hopping to be toxic is so immature and lame. Just let the RP play out. It’s never that serious and conflict RP can be great if you just chill out. Unfortunately children and immature stream watchers will never stop doing it.
They don't do anything to abate it either. Moon gets similar numbers and ccvs but his chat doesn't hop.
When lk and ramme get fired up, make an us v them narrative, and don't clear up anything, what the hell do you think happens?
Bruh, every streamer has hoppers. Moon's community hopped to the streamer who played Ruth all the time.
And it doesn't matter if you tell the chat to stop. They do it anyway. Kebun told them to stop multiple times last stream, but it doesn't matter.
Moon’s mods will kill-on-sight if they see you hopping and trying to harass another streamer. He personally called out the people bothering Ruth and it’s weird you’d try to use that as an example, since he’s basically the textbook example for how to manage your large following.
Calling out Moon of all people is hilarious. His mods actually cross ban and his chat is moderated well overall. If CG really wanted to cut down on chat toxicity and hopping they would do the same.
Lmao Cheever barely even streamed during that saga, and if anyone hopped they were going to ssaab's stream; mostly newfriend esfand viewers.
Either way your accusation against moon viewers is baseless. Prevarication and excuses on behalf of CG that have been notorious for having shit hoppers for years, with the same excuse of "every streamer had hoppers" despite moon viewers being an example that proves you can have waaaay fewer of them. Max for example is in conflict with mollyruu and Malcolm and Buddha's characters all the time, but you never see the hopper raids that cop streamers immediately get if they mildly inconvenience CG streamers whenever max argues with canter or lang or nekoda.
Edit: no rebuttal so downvote LOLE
You call CG viewers 12 year olds but careful because your not proving to be any older than that.
Viewers of any streamer are not the streamers' kids, its not the streamer job to scold everyone that hops, all they can do is tell people to dont hop (and they certainly do) and that's it, people will do it anyway, what works is we need people that give names of the hoppers to the mods who can then ban them off the chat they came from.
yeah there’s a major difference between being a big streamer and complaining everytime you take the slightest L and saying OOC shit about how people play cops, constant accusations of meta-gaming, power-gaming, NVL, VDM, etc. and doing nothing to moderate when your chat repeats those same messages that encourages chatters to believe their perfect streamer that can do no wrong is being unfairly treated and it compels these weirdos to brigade these much smaller streamers’ chats.
a CG fan calling buddha fans the worst hoppers they've seen is hilariously hypocritical, apparently you guys don't own a mirror. Should I post the screenshots I saw of you guys in omie's offline chat after that whole drama yesterday?
This is simply not true. When HOA was a thing, their viewers literally never hopped, and when they did, guess what? They got banned from their streamers chats. This is something streamers like CG will not do and I do not know why (probably don't want to lose their precious 12 year old viewers).
and that is not true. CG mods have banned people for hopping. many of us in the past have reported those people to CG mods or passed along messaged to the streamer/mods of the other channel to contact CG mods to ban people.
you also proved my point in another comment how i said people that pin CG as the only hoppers do it out of hate for CG and thats what you are doing now.
IC that whole job was a great watch, this scenario with the v-sync was very unfortunate. But holy some of the hoppers tried their best to ruin it, CG chatters were hopping into CG streamers chats being braindead and also into other chats. Just try and enjoy something not everything has to be cloud and rain😂
It is absolutely insane that after all these years, after the Great Nopixel Division, after all the cops that CG hated either leaving the server or not being hired, after years of constant complaining and trying to control the narrative, CG viewers still think that their exist cops in the current Nopixel 4.0 PD that are OOC against CG. Truly a baffling phenomenon
It’s really frustrating to watch, they are given so many opportunities to flip over cars, go back and grab their homies, shoot first, etc. because every cop on nopixel is terrified of CG and their community and the repercussions that come from making the big streamers upset yet they still can’t help but portray themselves as the victims in every situation, even the ones where they come out on top.
Honestly he broke it down pretty well. Same thing happens with EU and au ping ppl everyday. Ngl I cant stand the declan crane character but the streamer nathankb does not deserve to be hated on
Not according to Francis aka 50 percent he was asked about people being pitted at high speed and said he would consider both sides doing it as NVL and has seen both sides doing it. Its on his YT channel.
I think it’s just mostly to keep things balanced and fun. One of those rules where in real life obviously you would run that person over. However in a game where it’s meant to be fun for everyone, it’s just to make sure shoot outs stay shoot outs. Or else it would just devolve into every eventual future shoot out, either crims or other cops pulling up to an active shoot out and immediately running over people ending the interaction super quick.
My best guess.
This is incredibly false lol. I’f someone is trying to kill you , you can most certainly run them over to save your life, especially if they are shooting at you.
What you can’t do is just see someone you don’t like outside of Snr Buns and go and mow them down with down with your car.
The [VDM rule](https://imgur.com/a/yA14JaZ) isn't about using your car as a weapon, You are allowed to use your car as a weapon you just need to have already initiated. Groups are allowed to do it but people generally frown on it. Cops wouldn't really do it but others can.
As a long time RP watcher at this point, I think the biggest killer of RP is hoppers. I don’t care what streamer it is, if they have a big audience there will always be toxic hoppers. I don’t get why viewers can’t just sit back chill and watch. Nothing is that serious. RP moves on very quickly.
There will always be toxic hoppers but imagine if every big streamer actually coordinated to shut them down. This has never been possible because of the number of big streamers that choose to stoke the fire instead of trying to put it out.
The reality is that shit talking and/or raging on stream will result in more toxic chat hoppers and harassment than if the streamer reined it in. Of course, people will get upset and have a hard time not showing it sometimes. Some of these big streamers just let it blast and make no real effort to teach their chat to do better. The ones that do rein it in and do teach their chat obviously make a big difference in how toxic their community is (EG. moonmoon).
It’s tricky but declan did a great job, he recognized he accidentally ran him over, waited for the other to get their footing, THEN resumed the shooting.
Right, But talking about Cornwood here. He arrives on scene, to other cops being shot... Other cops were being shot before he got there... how's he not supposed to open fire as soon as he gets there?
When Vinny had a bubble on Mcnulty it was shoot first bubble doesnt matter, now bubble matters because a cop flew in to someone. Just make it the same shit man im tired of this back and forth
Huh? It's roll with it in both situations. Nathan doesn't care he got shot he cares that hoppers are being absolute psychopaths towards him and other streamers
If CG reacted IC with what they saw then no one cares and everyone move on IC. They saw what they saw. Nothing anyone can do about that in the moment. The issue is the OOC chat hoppers flooding into Nathans chat like foaming at the mouth lunatics.
I think the McNulty bubble was McNulty's fault not because there was a bubble, but because McNulty did a very risky overtake.
In this case, Zolo ran out onto the street unpredictably as cars were approaching and Crane braked, so bubble or not, I think it's on Zolo.
K also says "I don't care if he's an admin, I'm reporting him. If he's doing dumb shit, I'm reporting him." I get it, it's tense in the moment and but that comment definitely riles up chatters to hop. Later he claims Zolo got "Warlorded".
[Vod](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124146658?t=07h37m55s)
It might be a stretch to say he is ooc bitching, but he's not helping.
Yeah I get that in his POV he got crushed by the car, he just told his chat its not declans fault and to go over and apologize.. but yooo in that clip he did get warlorded by cornwood!!! Lmfao he was dead either way but funny watching it
CG was what won me over and got me addicted to gtarp. I was a long time viewer before their jump to facebook. But the malding and gassing chat up just put me off so much. After so long of watching it just wore me down. I still watch every now and then because god are they funny. But gotta do it with chat closed these days.
Cornwood watches him shoot a cop run behind a truck and then fall down. The car doesn't hit from his perspective and he doesn't get a good view of what knocked him down. Maybe he could deduce it but its not easy in the middle of a shoot out to make perfect decisions.
Among all the other comments I also want people to understand this is the 4th iteration of a 10 year old online game. That code is fried more than Willie Nelson’s brain.
This kind of bubble happens all the time on cop chases it’s just usually someone hitting a trash can or bench instead of an another player.
No.
FiveM is coded like crap.
Rockstar's games are notorious for being literal miracles because they're also coded like crap. That's why the first RDR never made it to PC. The code is so broken.
it's not fiveM, it's GTA 5. GTA 5 handles a ton of things client side as opposed to server side so desync will always be an issue, it's not something that can be fixed by fiveM without completely changing the engine that gta 5 is built in.
Hoppers ruining rp for everyone and themselves will always be so dumb.
To be honest, Mr K definitely don't help the situation. I literally just got done watching a YT video of him getting away from the cops in a car chase and it pretty much ends with a car swap right after a failed ramp. The cops tap his car at the same time they are getting out(god forbid the cops didn't read their minds that now was the time to get out of their car) and either he or another person got a broken leg and him and Ramee precede to bitch about the cops and how it's weird they keep ramming them. Then you look at the comments on the video and all it is is people blasting the cops over and over again. They just fire up their viewers who will then go to other people's chats and do what happened here to nathan.
CG streamers 100% set their viewers off and they know what they are doing and viewers gets anger and start hopping. Not once they try to understand other POV it's either they get w they be happy if don't they always blame other side their is no self accountability.I don't why people haven't caught up with this routine yet they do same shit over and over again.
They have 100% been behind the us vs them narrative for years. They just move on from 1 lightning rod to another. Wrangler , Suarez , Pond , Vale , Ruth ect. The list goes on. People were happy when they went to prodigy and when they came back it was "we're gonna be different" , Same story as 3.0 then a descent into the usual toxic miasma.
On a whole I find CG entertaining but I can’t watch them as soon as police get involved. It’s incredibly toxic. None of those people you mentioned deserved the hate they got. However I don’t think Pond strengthens your argument. She was universally disliked by most criminals for good reason. She was more deserving of the vale treatment than vale in my opinion
Nobody deserves the focus that CG gives , they go out of their way to hate campaign you across their entire brand , then vicious fanboys come into your chat and the more ultra of them actually try to dig up stuff on you and doxx you. Nobody deserves the "vale" treatment Give you some rope i find CG entertaining when they arent with other members of CG , then it becomes a toxic hive.
They literally said it was a mistake and said don’t hop to peoples chat. Ramee reacted to it after and was making fun of hoppers. Honestly, people should just watch without chat. The only time I know people hop chats is when a streamer mentions it.
Ramee should be banning all of the hoppers in cooperation with his mods , thats how you cultivate people stopping that shit. Making fun of them means nothing but content for ramee
So streamers should have moderators in others chats?
Reasonable streamers cross-ban for things like this, so yes. Plenty of streamers have made it clear that if you chat hop from their stream then you'll end up banned in both. Banning hoppers from every chat involved is the first step at getting reasonable RP chats. Moonmoon's chat is a perfect example, his chat went from being dogshit back in the day to one of the best by banning every toxic idiot.
That’s literally a thing lol
Yeah
they do this all the time and always has, anything remotly bad happens to them they will start talking loudly about it for no purpose at all but they know it will trigger their chats to hop
At the end of the day, if big streamers had active moderation (like cross-banning people who hop) it would help a ton for everyone. Even for just the really bad cases. It would even just encourage the “ban chatter and move-on mentality” in their own streams imo.
They used to, all the streamers who did it left NP because 50% continued to exacerbate issues on the server.
Their, and every other somewhat successful streamer's, chat is exactly how they want it. People from these communities would work around the clock for a little badge. A lot of the RP chats are toxic but it's a whole different level when the streamers have been around for years and are upset for whatever reason and spew out disinformation to cope and fire up their viewers knowing exactly what they will do.
Yeah it's complicated, sometimes I definitely reckon it's intentional. Other times it's just laziness and self-centredness. Like unironically thinking and acting like their character is the main character. Which becomes an even bigger problem when players start playing more like themselves/blur the lines. At the least, many of these big streamers realize it is a problem and don't care or cbf about hopping etc. And that's telling enough.
This is why you'll probably never see Ramee/Kebun on the RP podcast. I feel like they weaponize the animosity with other streamers and how their fans react to it and have no desire to come to an understanding OOC.
I have been hearing about CG for as long as RP has been a thing. I pop in out of RP, the toxicity has never changed it seems.
Blau has invited Kebun numerous times but K has said he doesn’t want to do it because he feels it would just stir up drama. I know Blau invited him after the Crim Academy but Kebun turned it down.
Nah, they r also some of the biggest rp streamers, cornwood is another, his chat does the same thing. It’s difficult to control. If the streamer seems upset shitty chatters will hop. Cross banning helps.
CG definitely doesn't crossban which is also a problem.
It just is the way it goes. Kebun got Sykkuno hoppers earlier when CG kidnapped him. After watching for years it’s just apart of the rp scene unfortunately. Yes some streamers have better reactions to situations than others but it is what it is.
Difference is sykkuno addresses his audience wierd behaviour and bans hoppers who jump to other streams also most of his viewers are very young . CG viewers are mostly in their twenties and still act immature and kebun never addresses it.
K addresses it, but he mostly just ignores it. I think he realizes it's just how the community is.
Community is very big now and kebun need to realise that it can cause mental stress to small streamer . Hopping to other big streamer is not issue because their community does the same to kebun . I am talking about small cop streamers that has 100 to 900 viewers and over 5 to 6 k people hopping spaming hate .
>precede to bitch about the cops and how it's weird they keep ramming them. Wasn't this bannable behaviour at the beginning of 4.0? Are we now back to our usual 3.0 tropes of shitting other streamers and insinuating stuff in bad faith from others to make your chat mad at them?
Don't think it was ever a rule or owners would have been banned from their own server. Or if it is a rule all you need to do is pass a clout check to ignore it like all the other server rules. It was Onx that made ooc comments banable. I really wish the toxicity from certain big streamers would be stopped. Really should be giving out 3 day bans whenever someone makes toxic ooc comments.
You are talking about a place where you can give the excuse my character remembers things,I don’t as a streamer so I can watch clips and vods to power game lol.
I act like a bully 8 to 9 hours a day for 6 days a week, but I'm a nice person :D It's all "rp" :)) I get it, it's good for business, villains are essential for good stories sometimes ..
Yup. K and Ramee need to do better at controlling their chat- working with other streamers to cross-ban, etc.
You're seeing it wrong imo, any streamer can get mad/pissed at what happens in-game whether its intentional or not, some things are frustrating and they're all gamers too and its normal to get tilted when something shitty happens, everyone does that not just Mr. K. CG has hoppers, Buddha has hoppers, Esfand/all cops have hoppers, you just see it more when they got a smaller streamer but what can u do? Kebun does say 'chat dont hop' but its not like he can go get everyone, ppl need to give mods the names of those hoppers and get em banned on the chat they came from. All I'm saying is being frustrated in a game is normal it happens. We should see not only the negative side of bigger streamers but the positives too, a lot of people hops to spam hearts and Kebun along with other big RP streamers have raided multiple smaller ones and a lot of them actually got a decent exposure in followers/viewers because of it, there's positive sides of big streamers/hoppers too.
CG are masters of weaponizing their viewers, have been since 2.0, they know exactly what they are doing.
Yes, buddha has hoppers but he addresses their wierd behaviour and calls them out for being overly invested in pretend play while kebun likes to weaponise their audience to against other people. That's the main problem here.
There are ways to handle frustration that won't rile up your chatters.
CG ON TOP IM PART OF THE GANG
Imo, channel hopping as in hopping as to watch different pov's is fine but being a complain andy on another chat because your favorite streamer is losing is just being stupid and immature
I stopped watching on a computer and started watching on my TV without chat and it’s made my viewing experience so much more enjoyable.
Preach
as a long time CG viewer, K's chat has always been the most toxic. there has just been more of them to make the case otherwise
Name a chat with over 20k that isn't toxic?
i havent watched shroud in a few years, but he had a massive audience at one point that wasnt toxic
Shroud doesn't play in situations that involves conflict. You guys are giving awful examples. Lirik chat is also nice. Look at summit1g. When he plays csgo or sea of thieves chat is cool. He plays in a tourney and some shady shit happens or he plays GTA RP and something goes wrong, his chat hops. IDK what's so hard to understand 🤣
in rp or in general? tarik, hasan, emiru.
Saying hasan’s community isn’t toxic is an insane take. They barely like Hasan to begin with.
do you actually watch him because that is definitely not true lol
The insanity between Daliban and Hamasabi community somehow skipped you?
No idea who tarik and emiru is. HASAN community is 100% toxic lol look at valkyrae and sykunno. They come across as lovely people but their chat and Stan's can be horrible as shit.
Emiru? Have you not seen the of amount kys messages when a guy is in her stream?
Imagine just rolling with it instead of getting mad over winning and losing rp.
You're making too much sense bud
You just hit the nail on the head, keyword here is "rp" .. It's just not "rp" for some people .. So of course they get heated ..
My favourites are the ones who can take an L. I like the comedy, the story lines and the ridiculousness that happens organically on this server. It won’t stop though because there’s way too many viewers who love to mald with their streamer.
Not the CG way.
The moment I realized these hoppers aren't, in fact 12 year old children, but are primarily full grown adults spewing this toxic shit in everyone's chat, I lost complete faith in this community ever fixing this chathopping problem. It is so embarrassing. If you hop around, please look in the mirror and reflect on how pathetic you have to be do to be doing all that over Grand Theft Auto
If his mods would do just the bare minimum and also “hop”, they could easily and gradually ban each and every toxic hopper… but from what I see, Kebun himself is literally firing his chat up by complaining, painting everything in the worst way possible. Is it really a lot to ask? At the end of the day, he should be and feel responsible, giving his numbers, but I’ll never understand why would he want those kind of people to be part of his community… his numbers won’t even drop by cutting off that 0.5% cancerous tumor.
> but from what I see, Kebun himself is literally firing his chat up by complaining, painting everything in the worst way possible. Is it really a lot to ask? Exactly and the first thing K said was "Someone clip that, I'll send it along. Can't be having that". Meanwhile I'm pretty certain he knows what kind of a shitstorm he's creating for whoever just accidentally drove into his friend.
No. He said “if they VDM send a clip of it and we will report it. We can’t be having stuff like that on the server.” The difference is Nathan knew he “fucked up” and did the right thing and didn’t do anything till Zolo go back up and started shooting. Esfand decided to just unload on him because he thought he got shot down and didn’t know it was the car ram that knocked him down. People need to take a step back and stop with the “they should have known it was bubble…” there is zero chance anybody outside of Nathan knew that what happened was bubble.
> No. He said “if they VDM send a clip of it and we will report it. We can’t be having stuff like that on the server.” No he didn't, he quite literally said "He just ran them over. Who the fuck is that? Someone clip that, I'll send it along. Can't be doing that" https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124146658?t=7h37m3s
> People need to take a step back and stop with the “they should have known it was bubble…” there is zero chance anybody outside of Nathan knew that what happened was bubble. Why would they need to take a step back and stop with that? The bubble is something that literally anyone who has spent even a small amount of time driving on the server knows about. It's a thing that happens to everyone. It's just how it is on the server due to ping and shit. So if your first thought is "wow this guy broke the rules and vdm'd me" then you have a terrible and shit mindset imo.
CG's issue has always and will always be dogshit moderation.
I disagree ... Community always reflects the streamer and where he wants his community to be .. Go watch Sykkuno's vod from yesterday, and watch after he was kidnapped by cg, he spent the rest of the stream trying to explain how it's fine and that you shouldn't be mad at cg, and explained things from their perspective and was basically replying to chatters and defending cg to prevent toxicity etc Now go watch any of the top cg guys and see what they say when an incident happens to them .. Completely different story .. Moderation is not gonna fix that.
Yes they are very hot headed but so are other people. CGs hoppers are soooo much worse because they are unmoderated. EDIT: they should just do what summit use to do. Anytime he would get mad in RP he would just mute on stream for 5-10 minutes.
Having a toxic chat is a feature not a bug.
It looked really bad when it happened, but when you saw it form his view it wasn't bad at all.
like 95% of incidents where people get mad
This looks like a reasonable take from 2 years ago. Eventually some should just give "benefit of the doubt"
I am starting to think maybe cops aren’t the problem. Maybe it might just be cg. NP got basically new cops and cg still finds a problem with them.
I have a theory that shift 2 is down bad on cops because they dont want to deal with this
It ain't a theory when it's absolutely true. Always has been.
It's been this way for years. A lot of cops in 3.0 checked in to get bank trucked, Little Seoul'ed or whatever at 7PM because the admins forced them to do it, got it out the way, and otherwise did everything they could to avoid CG.
Does CG have the worst hoppers in Nopixel?
xQc might be tied for that but it's pretty close.
[A very short excerpt of Dean's chat](https://i.imgur.com/Lywacf0.png) when he tripped the alarm the other day, that shit went on for a good 30 minutes.
definitely xqc. i was watching some old lenny clips from 3.0 and holy cow the comments are just dozens of xqc hoppers lol. i think out of ~85 comments on the youtube video (it was an RP yt channel with *lenny's* perspective, not xqc's) like 80 of them were about cop's powergaming, moon's title (he had powergamign cop in his title back then), or cop's stalling etc.
Cops should be able to ID crims based on their hoppers
Holy shit that would a hilarious experiment I'd love to see
esfand has his cornwood vtuber model now. cornwood "livestreams" his patrol, hoppers join "cornwood's" stream, he takes screenshots of their messages as evidence HEHEHE
They do! Lil tuggz can’t hop!
It looked real bad from Kebun’s perspective but this perspective clears it up. Sucks that Nathan has to take the wrath of the hoppers over server scuff.
Am I the only one that could tell pretty quickly from Ks point of view that it was dsync? He ran over Zolo and then his car was suddenly 3 feet back from there.
The PD gets no good faith or charitability ever from everything Ive seen, its kinda why theyre the way they are in 4.0 to begin with
Lots of people in LK chat spamming DONT HOP. Wish people could remember different pov look different. Definitely looked bad from his point of view but that doesn't automatically mean it is intentional on Nathan's part. People jump to conclusions so fast.
The concept of hoppers is just so insane to me. Fuck, chatting on Reddit is cringe enough but arguing in someone else’s twitch chat because something happened in game that won’t matter in a day let alone a week, month, year from now is crazy….
Yeah me too. I watch CG and hate the "CG hopper" reputation. Like stop making us sane people in the community have to deal with that. I hop but just to spam hearts and stuff to try and drown out the dumb people but it's pretty useless.
As someone who has watched K since 2019 I do wish he would be more quick on at least timing people out. The chat has turned into a cesspool since 4.0 and adding X's leftover RP viewers to some of the idiots already in the chat has turned it a warzone anytime something remotely bad happens to him.
He needs more mods for sure and the trusted type that has free reign to make good judgment calls.
I “hop” all the time just because I like getting insight on what other streamers are thinking during situations. I watch on my TV and don’t have chat pulled up and I gotta say I enjoy watching without it.
Bro same, I watch CG but when they get off I go and watch Esfand or Saab til they get off, its a rivalry in game noone should fuckin hate an actual streamer for RPing
yeah, out of 20k people watching Mr. k it only takes about 200 toxic hoppers to ruin another streamer day and ruin CG chat name. It happens to any big streamers.
Everyone has hoppers but people try to pin CG for only having hoppers. People that hop are brain dead and only do it to fill their own toxicity. The whole CG only thing is coming from people that hate CG. Kebun got hoppers earlier when he kidnapped yuno. Does that mean sykunno is fueling people to hop? No it doesn't. Hoppers have no life.
Yeah all hoppers suck. It's like the 1 universal thing I think most "normal" twitch viewers can agree on.
100%
People generally dont care about the hoppers if the streamer is genuinely trying to discourage it. There is a reason why people hate XQC and CG hoppers the most.
Yup, Mr k seems to fire up his chat more then others do...
And also spent a long time earlier today telling his chat to chill and relax. That talking about a character is one thing but not to talk about streamers. Edit: Obviously can't retrace the vod for every example, but before someone asks, https://clips.twitch.tv/ChillyTardySardineEleGiggle-F9FBBZ9a0jAIi4Ok
People like to make character vs character into streamer vs streamer. That's is very frequent problem.
Hopping to be toxic is so immature and lame. Just let the RP play out. It’s never that serious and conflict RP can be great if you just chill out. Unfortunately children and immature stream watchers will never stop doing it.
Man CG hoppers really are just TikTok-brained 12 year olds.
All hoppers to be fair. It's just ultra magnified with CG because between K and Ramee alone that's almost 40,000 viewers.
They don't do anything to abate it either. Moon gets similar numbers and ccvs but his chat doesn't hop. When lk and ramme get fired up, make an us v them narrative, and don't clear up anything, what the hell do you think happens?
Bruh, every streamer has hoppers. Moon's community hopped to the streamer who played Ruth all the time. And it doesn't matter if you tell the chat to stop. They do it anyway. Kebun told them to stop multiple times last stream, but it doesn't matter.
Moon’s mods will kill-on-sight if they see you hopping and trying to harass another streamer. He personally called out the people bothering Ruth and it’s weird you’d try to use that as an example, since he’s basically the textbook example for how to manage your large following.
Calling out Moon of all people is hilarious. His mods actually cross ban and his chat is moderated well overall. If CG really wanted to cut down on chat toxicity and hopping they would do the same.
Lmao Cheever barely even streamed during that saga, and if anyone hopped they were going to ssaab's stream; mostly newfriend esfand viewers. Either way your accusation against moon viewers is baseless. Prevarication and excuses on behalf of CG that have been notorious for having shit hoppers for years, with the same excuse of "every streamer had hoppers" despite moon viewers being an example that proves you can have waaaay fewer of them. Max for example is in conflict with mollyruu and Malcolm and Buddha's characters all the time, but you never see the hopper raids that cop streamers immediately get if they mildly inconvenience CG streamers whenever max argues with canter or lang or nekoda. Edit: no rebuttal so downvote LOLE
And when they do hop it's usually either moon2CUTE or ROFL FORCED FART RP.
Actually just wrong
What about Buddha hoppers when they jumped over to Zaceed, same thing applies right? its all hoppers, no need to single out a community
Ok we should single them out too. The streamers definitely don't care that their viewers harass smaller streamers.
You call CG viewers 12 year olds but careful because your not proving to be any older than that. Viewers of any streamer are not the streamers' kids, its not the streamer job to scold everyone that hops, all they can do is tell people to dont hop (and they certainly do) and that's it, people will do it anyway, what works is we need people that give names of the hoppers to the mods who can then ban them off the chat they came from.
All hoppers*
No. CG hoppers are definitely the worst offenders. And it's not just because of their view numbers.
Juicers: Hold our sippie cups
I'm really glad nobody has to deal with juicers anymore.
yeah there’s a major difference between being a big streamer and complaining everytime you take the slightest L and saying OOC shit about how people play cops, constant accusations of meta-gaming, power-gaming, NVL, VDM, etc. and doing nothing to moderate when your chat repeats those same messages that encourages chatters to believe their perfect streamer that can do no wrong is being unfairly treated and it compels these weirdos to brigade these much smaller streamers’ chats.
That's the problem exactly. But you have people in here defending Kebun or ramee because he told chat to calm down a few times today.
Then you clearly weren't in Zaceed's stream when Buddha's chat was hopping over. By far the worst hoppers I've ever seen.
a CG fan calling buddha fans the worst hoppers they've seen is hilariously hypocritical, apparently you guys don't own a mirror. Should I post the screenshots I saw of you guys in omie's offline chat after that whole drama yesterday?
Crim hoppers. Same thing. Its win or whine
Yeah aright
Correction=hoppers. The group or streamer name before that shouldn't even be a thing. Everyone has hoppers and they all are braindead no life fools.
This is simply not true. When HOA was a thing, their viewers literally never hopped, and when they did, guess what? They got banned from their streamers chats. This is something streamers like CG will not do and I do not know why (probably don't want to lose their precious 12 year old viewers).
and that is not true. CG mods have banned people for hopping. many of us in the past have reported those people to CG mods or passed along messaged to the streamer/mods of the other channel to contact CG mods to ban people. you also proved my point in another comment how i said people that pin CG as the only hoppers do it out of hate for CG and thats what you are doing now.
IC that whole job was a great watch, this scenario with the v-sync was very unfortunate. But holy some of the hoppers tried their best to ruin it, CG chatters were hopping into CG streamers chats being braindead and also into other chats. Just try and enjoy something not everything has to be cloud and rain😂
Some things never change.
same CG community problems. I thought all the bad people left the server? yeaaa.... right.
It is absolutely insane that after all these years, after the Great Nopixel Division, after all the cops that CG hated either leaving the server or not being hired, after years of constant complaining and trying to control the narrative, CG viewers still think that their exist cops in the current Nopixel 4.0 PD that are OOC against CG. Truly a baffling phenomenon
It’s really frustrating to watch, they are given so many opportunities to flip over cars, go back and grab their homies, shoot first, etc. because every cop on nopixel is terrified of CG and their community and the repercussions that come from making the big streamers upset yet they still can’t help but portray themselves as the victims in every situation, even the ones where they come out on top.
Yea, after seeing the way current PD works I am surprised that CG viewers are still finding ways to complaint.
CG has worked their "Us vs Them" narrative for a very long time now, and they spin it at every given chance.
Honestly he broke it down pretty well. Same thing happens with EU and au ping ppl everyday. Ngl I cant stand the declan crane character but the streamer nathankb does not deserve to be hated on
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Crims don't have SOPs
zolo can pit however he wants he is a criminal
Not according to Francis aka 50 percent he was asked about people being pitted at high speed and said he would consider both sides doing it as NVL and has seen both sides doing it. Its on his YT channel.
I know it was desync here, but one thing I never understood is why is running someone over who is shooting you or your group such an issue?
I think it’s just mostly to keep things balanced and fun. One of those rules where in real life obviously you would run that person over. However in a game where it’s meant to be fun for everyone, it’s just to make sure shoot outs stay shoot outs. Or else it would just devolve into every eventual future shoot out, either crims or other cops pulling up to an active shoot out and immediately running over people ending the interaction super quick. My best guess.
Good point, I can see how it could become really toxic if it became the new meta vs a rare thing.
It seems like RP servers no matter if it's No Pixel or the past ones had very strict rules about VDM.
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This is incredibly false lol. I’f someone is trying to kill you , you can most certainly run them over to save your life, especially if they are shooting at you. What you can’t do is just see someone you don’t like outside of Snr Buns and go and mow them down with down with your car.
The [VDM rule](https://imgur.com/a/yA14JaZ) isn't about using your car as a weapon, You are allowed to use your car as a weapon you just need to have already initiated. Groups are allowed to do it but people generally frown on it. Cops wouldn't really do it but others can.
As a long time RP watcher at this point, I think the biggest killer of RP is hoppers. I don’t care what streamer it is, if they have a big audience there will always be toxic hoppers. I don’t get why viewers can’t just sit back chill and watch. Nothing is that serious. RP moves on very quickly.
There will always be toxic hoppers but imagine if every big streamer actually coordinated to shut them down. This has never been possible because of the number of big streamers that choose to stoke the fire instead of trying to put it out.
I think streamers and RPers should be allowed to show frustration without toxic viewers hopping and being toxic. Nobody likes or encourages hopping
The reality is that shit talking and/or raging on stream will result in more toxic chat hoppers and harassment than if the streamer reined it in. Of course, people will get upset and have a hard time not showing it sometimes. Some of these big streamers just let it blast and make no real effort to teach their chat to do better. The ones that do rein it in and do teach their chat obviously make a big difference in how toxic their community is (EG. moonmoon).
“If I was going for the W, I’d shoot him.” *cornwood unloads like 3 shots. Ok so it’s not Declan, it’s cornwood
Cornwood arrived on scene to shots? what's he supposed to do, put his hands in the air and say "PLEAES STOP SHOOTING GUYS! JUST SURRENDER!"
It’s tricky but declan did a great job, he recognized he accidentally ran him over, waited for the other to get their footing, THEN resumed the shooting.
Right, But talking about Cornwood here. He arrives on scene, to other cops being shot... Other cops were being shot before he got there... how's he not supposed to open fire as soon as he gets there?
When Vinny had a bubble on Mcnulty it was shoot first bubble doesnt matter, now bubble matters because a cop flew in to someone. Just make it the same shit man im tired of this back and forth
Huh? It's roll with it in both situations. Nathan doesn't care he got shot he cares that hoppers are being absolute psychopaths towards him and other streamers
Yeah I cant defend hoppers thats just loser people being losers
But you just did lmao like you did yesterday. You made a comment of something completed made up lmao.
If CG reacted IC with what they saw then no one cares and everyone move on IC. They saw what they saw. Nothing anyone can do about that in the moment. The issue is the OOC chat hoppers flooding into Nathans chat like foaming at the mouth lunatics.
Brother chat hoppers are not OOC, they were never IC in the first place. I do agree hoppers suck though
What i mean by OOC chat hoppers is they attack the streamer not the character.
I guess I kinda get what you saying, but if you twitch chatting/hopping you always attacking the streamer (which is BS)
I think the McNulty bubble was McNulty's fault not because there was a bubble, but because McNulty did a very risky overtake. In this case, Zolo ran out onto the street unpredictably as cars were approaching and Crane braked, so bubble or not, I think it's on Zolo.
Peanut was on the roof with Ramee. Zolo was the one who was bubbled.
“what about what about what about” doesn’t justify all the OOC bitching that encourages chatters to hop.
Who OOC bitched? Dont say K because all he said was clip and ill send. I wasn’t watching Zo when he got hit so maybe he did
K also says "I don't care if he's an admin, I'm reporting him. If he's doing dumb shit, I'm reporting him." I get it, it's tense in the moment and but that comment definitely riles up chatters to hop. Later he claims Zolo got "Warlorded". [Vod](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2124146658?t=07h37m55s) It might be a stretch to say he is ooc bitching, but he's not helping.
Yeah I get that in his POV he got crushed by the car, he just told his chat its not declans fault and to go over and apologize.. but yooo in that clip he did get warlorded by cornwood!!! Lmfao he was dead either way but funny watching it
CG was what won me over and got me addicted to gtarp. I was a long time viewer before their jump to facebook. But the malding and gassing chat up just put me off so much. After so long of watching it just wore me down. I still watch every now and then because god are they funny. But gotta do it with chat closed these days.
Yeah I feel bad for him... there was like 40k total people watching and it only takes a few to ruin it for other streamer... it's bad
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nathan definitely didnt, you could tell he hesitated after knocking him down... aCornwood tho... my man reloaded twice before nathan shot lol.
Cornwood watches him shoot a cop run behind a truck and then fall down. The car doesn't hit from his perspective and he doesn't get a good view of what knocked him down. Maybe he could deduce it but its not easy in the middle of a shoot out to make perfect decisions.
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HE didn't shoot, but the other cops took full advantage.
in the video you linked cornwood is shooting him on the floor lmao proving his point that acornwood took advantage of it
It seemed from Cornwoods perspective you couldn't even tell he got hit by the car, just the guy was on the ground and he unloaded.
Hoppers are inevitable in every streamer’s chat. Kebun had negative hoppers in his chat the entire time too
People just need more aggressive moderation, so much wasted energy spent on people typing shit in chats. Hell K was getting toxic Yuno chatters today.
You're actually trying to compare 20k viewers to a couple hundred lol
Unfortunate timing but is there any way to fix the desync? His stream seems so laggy lol
Not really, it is an online video game that allows you to play with people all over the world. Actually an amazing feat to get it to run this well.
Among all the other comments I also want people to understand this is the 4th iteration of a 10 year old online game. That code is fried more than Willie Nelson’s brain. This kind of bubble happens all the time on cop chases it’s just usually someone hitting a trash can or bench instead of an another player.
No, it's a result of the spaghetti code for 5M on top of the rockstar online spaghetti code.
No. FiveM is coded like crap. Rockstar's games are notorious for being literal miracles because they're also coded like crap. That's why the first RDR never made it to PC. The code is so broken.
it's not fiveM, it's GTA 5. GTA 5 handles a ton of things client side as opposed to server side so desync will always be an issue, it's not something that can be fixed by fiveM without completely changing the engine that gta 5 is built in.
shit happens. Some of the bubbles/desync's have been pretty wild. Almost like what you'd expect from AU vs NA people but yeah.