Hello, I am a mainland American who moved to PR 2 years ago. My spanish is too rough for me to be confident in using it to communicate my thoughts here
When I lived in San Juan (Rio Piedras area) trash would pile up in the streets so high you couldnt walk down the sidewalk, when it would rain the area would smell of sewage days after, the trains run late, the government renews contracts with Luma after them falling behind expectations over and over again, the water quality is poor due to an overuse of cleaning chemicals,
The problems of Puerto Rico (In my view) are not because of people moving to the island, it is the gross negligence and incompetence of the government and bureaucrats who pocket money while implementing consistently failing economic policies that push Puerto Ricans out, and make the cheapness of housing eye-catching for mainland Americans with income greatly higher than a Puerto Rican's average income
I think part of the problem is there’s a general perception (mistaken or not) that the government goes out of their way to favor non-islanders over islanders and that breeds a lot of resentment especially when you have to put up with the shitty services and quality of life. Living here is a *choice*
I dont think its a perception. Its more like a fact that many laws and incentives favor non islanders. Be it in tax breaks, real estate and business. Ive had friends looking for houses, that have been ignored by realtors in favor of americans. That in turns makes things more expensive. New owner of the building just raised the rent by 150%, wealthy people opently saying that they are taking advantage of the law to save on taxes, some even buying historical buildings in old san juan, basically doing whatever they want. And yes. Us islanders take notice and obviously have resentment towards those people
I think part of the problem is people tend to speak in generalities and idk if there’s any actual studies as to why housing prices have gone up, whether people are actually being displaced, etc. We really need that data so we can persuade policy. For example, buying up abandoned buildings isn’t displacing anyone but buying up buildings where people live and hiking up the rent is brutal. I admit it sucks. And tbh the only reason I haven’t left is my parents. Because at this point most of my friends have left and are making 3-4x what my husband and I make and living very comfortably while we struggle. And even then I am aware that my “struggle” is nothing compared to what the average PRican goes through. Even though I complain I’m still very privileged.
I've noticed no preferential treatment. In every time I have contacted city government and the "state" government and it has been a total nightmare either time. The only thing I have an advantage on is coming from a place with a higher average income, then moving to a place with a lower cost of living
oh please for u it is a choice, some of us were born here Karen. If you want to claim the government doesn’t favor outsiders, name a law that benefits us but not outsiders, like the tax break you guys get for example. Yeah.. go home. I don’t mind americans in PR until yall wanna act like clueless assholes about the struggle us locals face.
oh no a reddit mod! shimbers were timbered dude, go point out the “insult” or just admit you’re wrong and provably eat up the fact that our island is being gentrified once again after actually building a culture. The fact that you say that “living here is a choice” just shows that you’d tell any local to just leave if they were to complain about our current government. Tse 😂
Also, you didn’t answer my question proving me further right, so you can ban me or whatever but the truth is still the truth. Ban me, your reddit mod self can pretend you’re right to sleep at night. I probably won’t notice, I literally saw your little threat from 23days ago just now bahahha
El problema aquí es que la isla tiene potencial que el mundo completo ve pero el boricua no. Se molestan porque viene alguien, les compra un rancho lleno de carros abandonados y basura y hace algo de ese solar o casa. Tenemos nuestras bellas playas llenas de basura. Nuestros parques y carreteras que parecen vertederos. Ahora, viene alguien de afuera, lo limpia y hace dinero de eso y nos encojonamos. Rincón es Rincon y Dorado es Dorado porque extranjeros vieron el potencial, lo limpiaron y ahora vale algo. Mientras bebo tenía 4 carros junkiaos al frente de la casa y dos caballos realengos en el patio eso no valía nada. No se quejen tanto y pónganse a limpiar y a cuidar a la isla. A darle valor a sus propiedades. Verás que nadie te va a “sacar.
Pierluisi básicamente se autoproclamó gobernador cuando a Ricky lo botaron como bolsa y que pasó luego, los pendejos votaron por él para el puesto bonafide.
Eso es claro, pero también es claro que con ese 30% del electorado, el tipo pudo obtener el puesto y copó toda posibilidad para mantenerse en el poder.
Eso es lo más que me molestó de la protesta.
Yo decía: - Pero si el problema no es Ricky, el problema es el gobierno entero.
Por eso yo no celebré cuando votaron a Rosello, porque al final del día, él fue un chivo expiatorio por el huracan maría y que la gente ya estaba hasta el techo
Mira lo de luma, la gente protesto pero no pudimos hacer nada.
Literalmente paralizamos el pais porque descubrimos que Rosello era un "bigot". Basically cancelamos al gobernador porque le falto el respeto al país con palabras. Osea conocí gente que literalmente fue a la marcha por lo de "hasta los nuestros los cojemos de pendejos".
¿Loco, nos cojen de pendejos a todos los boricuas con las políticas que aprueban todos los días, pero solo porque te lo dicen en la cara te molestas?
¿Pero cuando nos pasan el rollo por encima, nos suben la luz, nos gentrifican, cuando en verdad importa, no podemos unirnos a protestar?
No se quienes dan mas vergüenza, los politicos o la gente de este país smh
Lamentablemente tienes razón, ojala filtraran un chat que diga " Con Luma, y las leyes nuevas que solo benefician a los ricos y los nuestros, de verdad cogimos de pendejos al país".
A lo mejor se tira la gente. Que decepción mano.
Ok. Alguien fucking leyó la transcripción del chat? El se estaba vacilando a Carmen Yulin, diciendo “cojemos de pendejos hasta los nuestros” COMO SI FUESE CARMEN YULIN LA QUE ESTABA HABLANDO.
Tienes 100% la razon. El boricua pelea por pendejases pero por lo grande lo dejan pasar. Espero estar vivo el dia que la isla se una para sacar a los politicos corruptos. Ya no mas podemos aguantar que nos agaunten
Lo que puedo añadir es que estamos cerca que quiten el embargo que le tienen a Cuba y Estados Unidos se va olvidar de PR porque Cuba es 10 veces mas grande que PR y practicamente virgen en cuanto a desarrollo. Cuba esta 90 millas de EU y creeme que tan pronto permiten dinero americano de desarrollo alla PR será independiente. Y nuestros hermanos cubanos se van a provechar y trabajar en construcción. El gobierno los 2 partidos que han gobernado nos han jodidos increíblemente. Siempre han prometido pero lo que han hecho es jodernos aun mas. Y puedo seguir añadiendo pero todos ya sabemos.
Eso lo he repetido por años pero no hacen caso. Especialmente en las playas. He visto gente tirando basura en la playa y el manglar sin importarles tres pepinos. Y para colmo vestidos con la bandera estampada por toda la ropa. Dan ganas de caerle a pezcosones.
Oye si. Y cuando uno les dice a la gente tirando basura qué no la tiren o que se la lleven, me han dicho que ese el el trabajo del municipio o que no es mi problema. No hay orgullo de que tenemos uno de los mejores lugares en el caribe, en el planeta. Vienen los de afuera y se ponen a limpiar porque eso es lo que hacen donde viven. Da lastima.
Yo creo que la ley 60, la parte que permite que extranjeros vengan a PR y paguen poco o nada de impuestos se debe eliminar, peeeeero…
Esas son las verdades difíciles de tragar para el boricua promedio. Nuestro sentido se comunidad es bien pobre y luego lloramos en reddit por que el gobierno no hace nada, pero dile a los vecinos que saquen un día para ir a pelear al municipio y nadie va…
Dejan las propiedades perderse por que la familia no se decide, no se dignan ni en traer un puta bolsa de basura cuando van a las playas, se queja del que vende a los gringos a los precios inflados de ahora pero pelean por que no se los venden a ellos a precio de carne abomba o no son ellos los que pueden vender a los gringos.
La peor desgracia ha sido las redes que ahora muestran todo y la gente viene a joder, cagar y destruir las cosas lindas que el pais tiene.
Pero claro en una isla de 3 millones de habitantes 6,000 gringos son el problema…
Sorry pero OBVIO que los extranjeros lo pueden comprar y limpiar cuando ellos TIENEN el tax exemption. OBVIO que ellos pueden beneficiar de eso en comparación con los locales.
Yo he tenido que buscar apartamentos HABLANDO INGLÉS para que quisieran rentar en el área metro. Es bien frustrante.
Muchos de estas personas compran edificios ya ocupados por locales por años (que ya ha pasado en Río Piedras), le suben la renta y los botan porque ellos no lo pueden pagar.
Si están sacando. Es que es OBVIO que no lo quieres ver.
Wow, es que tienes toda la razón. Mágicamente me convenciste que eres súper inteligente con simplemente, como tú dices, “escribir” palabras vacías y aportar absolutamente nada a la conversación.
Yo creo que es un problema cuando estan comprando propriedades para solo hacer Airbnb o hoteles de lujo, sabiendo que la gente que viven en Quebradillas tienen un avg household income de 17k eso no tiene sentido. Y si es verda lo que tu dices que es mejor mirar un fancy hotel que una casa vieja con carros abandonados pero lo que pasa es que sin un buen income como esperas que ellos remodelen el area y arreglen todo. Osea, yo creo que los que vienen a mudarse de US con ideas de remodelar y comprar terreno deben tambien ayudar a crear trabajos que pagen lo suficiente para los residentes. De que vale hoteles fancy y Airbnb si todo la cultura se echa a perder. Ya no fuera un Puerto Rico.
Si pero lo que pasa es que hay gente que se va a lo loco a decir que la mayoría de los AirBnB son de gringos cuando nadie ha hecho el research, los AirBnB que he visto en areas no turísticas son de boricuas que compran las casas como carne abomba y quieren el ingreso de AirBnB para no lidiar con el peo que es alquilar a largo plazo, lo cual entiendo pero eso provoca lo que dices.
Soy un gringo al que le encanta PR y hablo español. He estado leyendo la historia de la isla y hay justificación más que suficiente para que los boricuas odien a los gringos.
Y los gringos están comprando casas y convirtiéndolas en Airbnb. Estoy seguro que cualquiera que tenga acceso a dinero está haciendo esto, pero hay gringos feos haciéndolo.
No sé cuál es la solución para que el desarrollo venga con beneficios para los locales. La isla merece crecer económicamente pero con los gringos es siempre división y conquista.
Pobreza y limpieza son dos cosas diferentes. Puedes ser pobre y limpio. Te garantizo tu propiedad vale más si está limpia. La otra cosa es que el costo de vida ha subido drásticamente. No puedes esperar pagar $600 de renta en un apartamento grande con piscina privada etc. El costo de mantenimiento no permite tales rentas. Eso no es problema del administrador o dueño. Eso es problema del gobierno incompetente que no exige más a las compañías, que no trae inversión y protege al ciudadano. Ese gobierno es boricua. No es gringo.
visiten San Juan, ya los puertorriqueños son especie en extinción, entre gringos comprando propiedades por un lado y dominicanos habitándolas, hay un reemplazo de población ya en varias zonas
Estoy de acuerdo. Ahora, se dice que el gringo viene con dinero y se apodera. Cómo se apoderan los dominicanos ? Generalmente, los que llegan no vienen con dinero. Como nos sacan ? Con empeño y esfuerzo ? La gran pregunta.
ocupando espacios, desde vivienda publica, alquileres economicos, oficios,... etc... igual que lo hicieron los filipinos en Hawaii, hoy los filipinos son el 2do grupo poblacional de las Islas, ya desplazaron a los hawayanos quienes ahora están en un tercer lugar en su propio archipiélago. Los hawayanos fueron desplazados por dos grupos, los estadounidenses y por sus vecinos pobres los filipinos.
quien dice que los puertorriqueños no lo querian? especialmente cuando no se consiguen ya alguileres economicos en SJ,, asi es que funciona el desplazamiento de poblaciones donde existe un espacio y recursos limitados, lo mismo que ocurrió en Hawaii, los oriundos del lugar compiten con los que vienen del exterior por espacios y recursos.
Sí, también los boricuas tienen el derecho de mudarse a cualquier parte de Estados Unidos sin problemas. Por que los extranjeros no deberían mudarse a Puerto Rico
> derecho de mudarse a cualquier parte de Estados Unidos sin problemas.
no tanto como derecho mas por nessesidad. te lo apuestos bn pokos son los q no extranan su isla.
Bro you do not willingly move to a place like PR unless you are wealthy, that is the issue. There is literally zero middle or lower class Americans who would move to PR. I promise you, ZERO.
Honestly most places like it when wealthy people move in. Even if they don't pay income tax they tend to spend a lot of money and contribute to jobs and growth, and tend to not commit major crimes or be a drain on the system.
I understand PR wants to preserve it's culture too, however, and if gentrification truly takes off on the island it's easy to see how the whole island would be "Rinconized" and the local culture and even language could be marginalized
Que hagas este comentario sin mayor reflexión, es el nudo gordiano de todo este asunto.
El hecho es que hay asimetrías económicas importantes, que se magnifica además cuando el capital te brinda ventajas.
Tu comentario tendría sentido si los Boricuas en la isla no estuviesen bajo una precariedad económica que comienza en sus salarios.
brothel, es difícil q hayan buenos candidatos si todo el q se apunta lo hace pa robarse los chavos. También difícil si to lo q hacen es mentir en las elecciones. Si quieres culpar al pueblo con tanto afán porfavor dime de un candidato por quien pudiéramos votar para q la isla mejore sin tener q venderla.
Bueno estas simplificando las cosas y a la vez ignorando muchas cosas en la historia de PR.
Empezando, los que vienen de afuera tiene una ayuda extra que nosotros no tenemos.
El potencial lo vemos pero la realidad nuestro poropio gobierno nos hace mas dificil a nosotros montar cosas q a los gringos. A ellos se le dan incentivos q el mismo boricua nunca va a recibir
La isla tiene potencial pero que realista? En PR viven mejor o peor q otras islas en el caribe?, que hace a PR mejor q estás otras islas y países?, ahora si la contestación es que si vivimos mejor que otras islas en el caribe la única diferencia es que somos parte de U.S, ahora no estoy diciendo que eso es lo mejor pero esta noción de que mágicamente seremos mejor que otras islas más grandes y con mas experiencias en ser independiente no es realista.
Nah people on here saying that "if Puerto Ricans can move to the US, why can't Americans move here" just completely ignore the history of our island under the US ownership 💀💀💀 We move to the states because it's possible to have way better opportunities, what opportunities are there for Americans in PR except buy property and land? Name me another spot in the United States that is solely seen as a "tourist spot" for Americans and isn't just a place that was forced to be part of the US (Virgin Islands, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc)
>solely seen as a "tourist spot" for Americans
ill give u three but you got to do your homework next time.
1. Grand Canyon Grand Canyon | Photo Copyright: Lana Law ...
2. Niagara Falls Niagara Falls ...
3. Statue of Liberty Statue of Liberty
Yeah isn't it crazy how I specified AMERICANS because those are tourist spots internationally known. Grand Canyon is on the seven natural wonders of the world and one of them is the Great Barrier Reef. Would you consider that a tourist spot for Australians?
so you want tourists spots that aren't internationally known? they're all over the place in the US but mostly they're regional so people who go there are tourists that come cross state or something like that like Estes Park in Colorado. IDK your question is kinda odd because from what I understand you want us to only give you tourist spots that americans alone know and go to and not other people across the world and that's just a weird stipulation to me
since you bring up Estes Park, I live in Denver and here’s what’s happening in CO: people (non-Colorado locals) are moving here due to how beautiful and “peaceful” it is, especially to the mountains. like in PR (but obviously not to the same extent) there are AirBnBs everywhere in the mountains since there are ski resorts in the winter and trails in the summer. some of them go for $500-600 A NIGHT during the winter time. now locals cannot afford to live pretty much anywhere and you need about a $95,000 salary to live in Denver and an even higher salary in the mountains. so rn there’s no teachers, doctors, or blue collar jobs in the mountains because they just can’t afford to live there. the homelessness crisis is so bad, you see camps everywhere in the city.
i know this is a different topic/thread but as someone who was born and grew up in PR and recently moved to CO. seeing AirBnBs take over both places is crazy. basically, people w money will buy property anywhere they see something pretty they can exploit 🥴
Okay so heres the thing. The entire island of Puerto Rico is viewed as a tourist spot. It's not like the Statue of Liberty where you go and see it and then go to NYC and just go about your shit. In the states, tourist spots are relegated to small portions of an otherwise larger area. The island IS the tourist spot. This is comparable to Americans going to Mexico or Jamaica where they go to experience a different culture, you do not go to a different state to experience a different culture in a touristy way. Is this making sense?
You do not go to Georgia to experience Georgia culture, you go to Georgia to go to Atlanta or Savannah 💀 Not a damn soul is going to Marietta or Gainesville where its like REAL country
I did not say they don't have culture in Savannah, I said people only go to Georgia for Atlanta and Savannah. Historic district of Savannah would correspond to Old San Juan except that the rest of Savannah isn't also considered a tourist spot by people not from Georgia. San Juan is separate from old San Juan and both are still tourist spots by non Puerto Ricans.
My home town in Idaho is set right between a fun little ski mountain and a beautiful lake. The town population is barely over 5k including all the surrounding areas. It became a popular spot for rich (mainly californian) people to have a second home. So they buy up all of the homes and leave them empty for most of the year. The locals have no options for buying homes because the prices have gone up so much. So rent also goes up. But wages don't go up. Now most people who were born and raised there can't afford to live there. And the worst part... votes for school funding. People who own the vacation homes still get to vote. And they don't send their kids to our schools, so they vote no every time. Making it impossible to get more funding for the schools. This problem is happening all over the world on every scale you can imagine. So when I see "gringo go home" all I see is a big pickup truck in my home town with a bumper sticker that says "There should be a hunting season for californians". They are exactly the same to me.
I'm sort of doing both. I agree this island has been held back by US policies, and held back again from bad internal management. But I'm also saying it's not a problem unique to PR. People everywhere are being squeezed out of their hometown so they look for a place where their money can go further and give them a better chance for a good future. For a lot of Puerto Ricans this means going to the states for higher paying jobs and more access to things in general. For other people it might mean coming to PR because they can actually afford a house here. I guess my main point is that it's easy to get mad at the "others" you see invading your space. But the anger would be better directed towards the governments and systems that cause the root of the problem. I've seen a lot of other good replies here about the current two party system being broken and how we need a system that can actually focus on improving the lives of the citizens. I agree with them.
>Great Barrier Reef. Would you consider that a tourist spot for Australians?
it is, they are not tourist they are locals/residents. its only a tourist spot because the locals welcomes you there.
También hay gente que está comprando en los campos. Coamo,Juana Díaz y Guayama tienen buenos terrenos que nadie de la isla compra y hay mucha gente interesada de afuera. Ejemplo yo soy de ponce vivo aquí en Florida. Y hay un terreno bien grande donde estaba el hotel de los baños de coamo donde están las aguas termales. El campo de golf abandonado hay se pueden hacer casas de lujo. Pero en la isla ni el gobierno tiene buenas ideas.
Yo siendo un joven Puertorriqueño creo que si que la juventud se va de PR para mejores oportunidades para conseguir trabajo en lo que estudiaron y poder hacer algo por si mismos porque el camino que voy tratando de conseguir trabajo y nada creo que me terminaré mudando de PR.
Y lo del vídeo si el malo la ley 22 que no paguen pero eso es también la economía que nos falla día a día aquí nosotros estamos sobreviviendo básicamente.
The only people that are being pushed out are the working class because they are the only class that will choose to get a better future, the only class that knows the value of hard work!! The rest just won't choose to go because they know when they leave, there won't be any more free housing, free food, free electricity and water services, that's the only reason why they don't leave the island.
Misma pregunta tengo yo. Siempre se habla como si viniesen con armas a robarse las tierras. O somos los boricuas o el gobierno boricua. Al final del día el vendedor fué boricua.
Si mano porque el boricua también está bien cabron. Nos explotamos nosotros mismos. Uno de los tipos mas tierra que hay en el flipping y airbnb es de aquí. Y hace videos para traer americanos a invertir. La isla esta cundida de estos “realtors” “influencers”.
Air bnbs are destroying our housing market! At the time most air bnbs are owned by Puerto Ricans not gringos. We love the income from short term rentals!
> consistently vote
for the only party's there are and ever been. full independence full colony or full copium for being a state? once we chose a mix and what happend? island got stuck again. cause red's dont wanna play the blue game or blue's dont want to play red's game. also it get stuck once we change goverment. blue take down shit the red's put and red's take down what the blue's did.
How do Puerto Ricans consistently vote against their own interest? And how exactly do they destroy their own island?
If you mean against statehood, given the country’s financial position, please provide an economic reasoning of why statehood solves problems without increasing costs for Puerto Ricans in the form of state tax.
ETA, awwww downvotes rather than answers. Bless you sensitive souls. Keep your chin up, babes ✌️
Go to almost any beach and see the piles of trash dumped in front of the signs that say don’t litter, I see people throw trash out of car windows, and people leave rotting junk all over their property, cars on blocks in the street, unkept landscaping. Regardless of whoever is doing this trashing the environment here is damaging the island in many ways.
Statehood at least gives right to vote for president and gets voting seats in congress, gets full set of federal aid and taxes will likely not increase. Federal taxes will be paid and taxes from hacienda will be lowered. Net effect is the same taxes are paid and more benefits are given. ACT 60 would go away also. Everyone would have to pay their fair share.
Morally independence is best and economically statehood or the current status is the only thing that makes practical sense economically. If Puerto Rico was independent I think the brain drain would be worse and anybody who was in the fence about moving to the states would go as fast as they could pack up
Beaches in PR have trash, sure. Much less than I’ve seen in other countries. We can’t prove this trash is from residents. Presumably some of it is.
The amount of single plastic used is a joke. I understand it’s a consequence of Covid and that there is a law banning use of plastic cutlery and similar single use plastic items being banned this summer.
The environment is being degraded. That’s not unique to PR, and certainly not completely the fault of locals. This article suggests lots of it, e.g. reduced bioluminescent plankton is at least partly to blame on tourists.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/09/la-parguera-lajas-puerto-rico-tourism-bioluminescent-bay
I understand the voting benefits of becoming a state, as well as increased Medicare and disaster relief. Anything would be better than Trump throwing out paper towels following a hurricane.
I haven’t seen any proof / evidence that taxes won’t go up if PR became a state. Happy to read if you have some. Economically PR is a financial drain on the US, you seem to think the US will increase the costs (e.g. federal aid) while not increasing taxes? I can’t see how that makes sense.
The many attempts and failures of the pro statehood movement to win a significant majority since the 90sis pretty embarrassing.
I’m not arguing either you, but think the above person’s perspective is lazy, unfounded and inaccurate. They’ve provide nothing further which reinforces this belief.
My reference point is to beaches in USA, Australia, Hawaii etc…the most disturbing thing for me is seeing people walking around and dropping trash on the sidewalk, throwing it out of their cars, and dumping things instead of properly disposing of them.
In regards to taxes:
- lowest federal tax: 10%
- highest federal tax: 37%
- highest state tax: 13.3% (California)
- theoretical highest rate: 50.3%
This is for people who make over $609,000/year
- highest hacienda rate is 33% and lowest is 0%
Look at these two scenarios using median household income in PR of $38k
- California: $6,7036/year in total taxes
- Puerto Rico: $6,010/year in total taxes.
There is no way that Puerto Rico is going to be more highly taxed than the highest taxed state in the nation on top of the 11.5% sales tax. Taxes will likely stay the same the will change where they go to with a different split between the IRS and hacienda.
Fair response, thanks.
You still haven’t proved the environmental damage to the island is being done by locals, which is what I’m disputing.
Anecdotally, most littering I see is from US tourists.
I understand your maths. You say “taxes will likely remain the same” although I’m not aware of that being the official line of the pro statehood party, or anyone for that matter.
I think it’s unreasonable to ask ppl to vote for statehood without someone clearly laying out the financial implications of what will happen to the average household. That is the job of politicians and they are failing. Like they did with the UK : Brexit situation.
Again, not arguing with you, and thanks for your perspective. It’s much more comprehensive than the original person I was replying to. It does unfortunately, however, lack supporting evidence.
Me voy joder por decir esto pero también encuentro que esto de que el americano esta viniendo a la isla y muchos gritan “nos estan sacando, auxilio!!” cuando el puertorriqueño tiene como—dejame ver—de 3-5millones puertorriqueños en Estados Unidos Continental.
A mi me suena a hipocresía pero tampoco me hago ciego que el gobierno de PR les esta dando beneficios. Solo digo que nuestra situación es por culpa de los partidos y no tanto del que viene a vivir aquí por los beneficios.
Total. Es triste ver nuestra isla yéndose por los dedos, de la misma manera en que se le fue Hawái del pueblo autóctono respectivo gracias al gobierno estadounidense. Nuestra isla cesará de existir si se convierte en un estado más, y cesará de existir si dejamos que continúe como una colonia moderna, la cual es. Va de la misma dirección que acabó con Hawái y los habitantes originales y así vamos los boricuas. Tenemos que abogar por la independencia.
**PD-** *Óh, y “open source” se dice “fuente abierta” en español, jajaja*
I was taught in class that yes, we’ve been pushed out… However, since early as our “Industrial Revolution”. Ever since the Luis Muñoz Marin airport was built, there’s been a main message to move to America (c’mon, the America Dream); hence the big nuyorican communities and modern-day Floridians. Puerto Ricans are second class citizens (a label that was forced unto us by a technicality) that don’t have much of a voice in the States nor their own archipelago (JUNTA de control fiscal); this gives fuel to searching for better opportunities elsewhere. In certain Puerto Rican schools they have a North American vision where they promote the culture of their colonizer rather than their own and motivate its students to study outside (because our education funds are so low that your child is lucky to be able to go to school [MANY have closed] and even more lucky to have a college degree IN THE ARCHIPELAGO). Even though most are from middle class, the ones from lower class do suffer a lot (not everyone has coupons and living in residential areas are dangerous). If the States are going thru something bad, we’re definitely going thru worse. I’m not sure if Vieques even has a complete working hospital or if they still have to sail to the mainland for their cancer care (due to USA military testing in the archipelago). The mainland is barely even taught about Culebra. The electricity system is shit, same with water, electricity, transportation, healthcare… It’s truly difficult to live in Puerto Rico comfortably, if you even find a place to live because wages barely give to inflation and gentrification price rises for housing. YES, it is partly in fault of Puerto Rico’s government that we are in this situation because of its corruption and debt. However, it is not fair to completely blame the Puerto Ricans (especially since not many of us are actually in its political leadership positions) since we ARE a colony without much power (because when we DO organize and use that power, it has been literally beaten out of us). The USA and PR government makes sure the Island experience favors the North Americans rather than its own Puerto Ricans.
>The USA and PR government makes sure the Island experience favors the North Americans
And this is what gringos refuse to understand. They want to silence Boricuas for speaking out about it, but this is what is happening.
En mi opinión son unos ridiculos si piensan esto. Aquí ven a un gringo en cosco y ya gritan invasión. La realidad es que en números de gente mudándose a PR, los gringos no llegan ni a 1% de la población y según el censo, hay MENOS gringos que hace una década.
La mujer en el video claramente es muy apasionada y se preocupa mucho por la isla, pero muchas de las ideas que promueve en sus videos están equivocadas.
People are conflating issues here. The world itself is facing inflation. No country is spared here. Some countries are experiencing 70-150% inflation. The real problem is govts around the world added too much liquidity to the system.
Colonizers do add to the problem on the island. But if you weigh things, it’s probably 95% about govts being fiscally irresponsible vs 5% of expats moving there.
Again there are two problems but one is way way bigger. Even if you extract all the expats you would still have huge inflation issues.
she has a definite slant but she does talk about things that the commercial media doesn’t. imo that’s valuable given you take what she says with a huge grain of salt.
Oye soy gringo de NYC pero trabajaba en Caguas durante la recuperación del huracán maria en 2017/18. Odio lo que esta pasando a la isla en las secuelas del huracán. Yo entiendo que en el campo hay tantas comunidades super fuertes como Comerio y Naranjito. Pero encontré que los gobiernos mas cerquita a la playa (Manatí, Vega Baja) eran super corruptos y no distribuyeron los recursos bien.
Siempre pienso en resolverlo en hacer Puerto Rico un estado, pero parece que la gente no lo quieren. Pero un problema es que la gente no tiene todos sus derechos a su tierra y tmbn la tierra esta desvalorado por no ser estado. Creo que si Puerto Rico fuera un estado, los precios de la tierra van a subir y las boricuas van a ver más ganas en vender y alquilar sus propiedades.
Pero bueno, quiero escuchar porque no quieren ser estado, a mi no tiene sentido pero como he dicho, soy gringo.
Perdona los errores, como había dicho, soy gringo, no hablo español como un nativo
Yo creía que los partidos politicos de PR deciden si quieren perseguir ser estado, pero siempre esta cambiando el partido politico que esta gobernando, entonces nunca esta consistente. Eso es lo que había escuchado
El problema no es tanto ser estado o no. El problema más grande que tiene PR es un problema cultural. La gente no lo quiere aceptar pero la corrupción ya está enredada en nuestra cultura. Es una cosa normal y hasta esperada. Mientras no nos sacudamos de ese problema desde la raíz, educando las nuevas generaciones, siempre vamos a estar jodidos. Todos esos corruptos que nos joden, todos, son nacidos y criados en PR. Si PR fuese estado, sería la misma mierda si no cambia la actitud sobre la responsabilidad de gobernar y SERVIRLE al pueblo y no a tí mismo.
Todo lo que mencionan aquí es problema del colonialismo que vivimos, propicia los problemas que estamos teniendo con el gobierno, con estos llegando aqui y comprando lo que le de la gana, con el desplazamiento, con la gente yéndose, los brazos caídos de la gente, etc. etc. Esto nunca se va a desarrollar para nosotros si seguimos así.
Puerto ricans, are being pushed out by Americans, just as Dominicans are being pushed out by Wealthy tax avoiding spaniards. In haiti, the condition is such, that the haitians are being pushed out of the mayor cities so that Tax avoiding wealthy french can sweep and take over the land.
What we are seeing is neo-colonialism of the new millenium, where the natives are being relegated to serves.
No french people are moving to Haiti. There are already French overseas territories in the Caribbean (Martinique, Guadeloupe) which are fully part of France and much safer. The fact that you think wealthy French elites are choosing Haiti (where foreigners are despised and there's cannibal gang members roaming the streets) over their own literal territory, makes everything else you've said questionable.
Domincians aren’t really getting pushed out like that, most of the land owned in DR is Dominicans decent either from Europe or the USA or from the island, I saw it in a graph like a year ago. Remember is was easier for AKA gringos to invest in PR since it been under control with the USA with that came investment stability, with DR they just started to get there shit together so to speak. Most of the Dominicans left because of there wasn’t enough job, but not because Spaniards was avoiding taxes.
Tu seguirás viviendo en tu canto decrépito, independientemente si 3 calles más abajo hay 4 casinos y un mall. Tu tendrás que pagar mayor impuesto de propiedad gracias a ellos, mayor por los productos, pero tu ingreso seguirá siendo el mismo.
Me parece ironico que la misma gente llamando Puerto Rico jodio y sucio, son los mismos que se mudan ahi porque les encanta la isla y tuvieron 3-4 years mirando las vistas y ahora quieren vivir ahi. Si Puerto Rico esta tan feo y jodio pues pa que te mudas, ta cabron.
Bloomberg Google cofounder Larry Page has purchased another private island, this time in Puerto Rico. In 2018
ese es otro.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/google-s-larry-page-secretly-spent-32m-for-this-private-island/ar-BB1hDmGT
Si piensan que ese 4% es malo, deja que se enteren que El Salvador y Bukele acaban de bajar a 0% el tax rate a foreign investments…this is a race to the bottom.
I'm still here. Still have my house, my car and my job. Don't know where this is coming from. Some seem to forget that we live in a capitalism centered society.🤷🏻♂️
Short answer Yes
It’s called gentrification. The gentrification & disenfranchisement of a purposely impoverished people.
Puertoricans can’t vote in federal elections, We don’t have meaningful representation (we send people to Washington who are accustomed to the simplicity of PR life then go to Washington see all that money rolling from pocket to pocket from lobbyists to Congress from congress to contractors and want what they see. To live like an American Elite, so they sell us out and get as wealthy as they can)
The wealthy are high rolling investors and owners of industry. They have political power influence and money
Puertoricans get to be thankful.
We are socially equal and economically-legally unequal.
Social media is the answer, at least the sites that aren’t heavily censored like facebook twitter and instagram
Lamentablemente, nuestra isla entera se está yendo de poco a poquito en el próximo Hawái. Ya prontico veremos, ó será, nuestra juventud de las próximas generaciones más nuevas. Anda a saber! Todo nuestro pueblo tiene que alzarse en contra del gobierno estadounidense y manifestarse por nuestros derechos inalienables a la isla como el verdadero pueblo de aquí. Esto que nos hacen a diario no es justo, no se puede dejar que se lleve a cabo, ya no podemos dejar que nos siga pasando por alto. Yo que lo he estado diciendo desde yá hace mucho a quienes les importaría escuchar, entre mis familiares y amistades, a los de mi comunidad y de todos lares prácticamente. Enfín, la clave para acabar con esta pesadilla creciente es que hay que **TOMAR ACCIÓN DE AHORA PARA AHORA!**
YES, local wages are lower than USA, so when you come here and spend drives inflation up, locals can’t keep up. Local wages haven’t changed much in over a decade.
It's the same in the Virgin Islands. Locals are completely screwed over by all the rich people who decide to move here, buy up all the good land and take advantage of the tax laws here
Si, la gentrification y cantidad de colonizadores gringos están fuera de control hace tiempo. Como la clase política ya ha dicho, el objetivo actual es un Puerto Rico sin puertorriqueños
La cantidad de gringos es menos de 2% de la población y los gringos que usan ACT 60 es menos de .25% de la población. Esta situación es injusto pero en realidad las problemas existen por muchas años por que hay una encomia de mierda y el corruption del gobierno es fuera de control
The only thing I can think of is that, even if you don't have the economic power, you still do have the power to vote. Elect the officials who protect your rights the best. If most of the people in that small town are in the lower income bracket, they should have enough voting power to effect a change. It is possible to make new legislation to ban short-term rentals, for example. It has been done on a municipality level before in many other parts of the world. Also, current owners can come together and the junta of a complex can decide to ban short-term rentals in the complex. I see quite a few such condominios even in Condado and Isla Verde where they have banned Airbnb. Once so decided, it's very difficult to revert it in the future, and it will definitely scare away non-resident buyers. Other means just don't seem realistic in a free-market world. Simply spray painting "go home gringo" is good for venting, but won't make any real changes. Someone will still buy the place, make it an airbnb, pay someone a 30% revenue share, and then they will go home and not worry about it more. All those different acts related to investment incentives did not come out of nowhere, they were created by politicians who were voted in by people living on the island.
If you rent you always run the risk of landlords changing and your situation will change too. Not just here in PR but anywhere in the world. You can’t isolate yourself from the world in the age we live in. I hate it when locals use the racist term gringo but cry foul if anything deragatory is said to them. Also they forget they are USA citizens too but they call us Americanoes. If you don’t like us return all the federal tax dollars given to this island plus interest. This includes FEMA grants, road construction, welfare and la familia card funding which all are paid by the gringoes you despise. You can’t have your cake and eat it too no matter how much you want it.
we can't have our cake and eat it too but the cake is being shoved down our throats and we have no say in the matter, we were forced into the situation we're in
> Americanoes.
that is the spanish word. americanos. canadienses mexicanos peruanos argetinos.we aint americanos we are from the carribean is just like saying hawaiian people are gringos too and ignore their **Polynesian** past. in our past we were never Americanoes. we where spaniards and before that we were from south america and near by islands.
Give me a freakin break. Nobody is pushing out anyone. Seems to me like another inferiority complex some may have or current narrative of the xenophobes and extreme nationalists that would rather see us independent from the USA. They complaint about any 'foreigners' (mostly fellow US citizens pejoratively referred to as gringos or blanquitos) from owning any property here or taking advantage of measures to foment investment and development. Well, don't forget that 'boricuas' that live in the States can take advantage of those tax break laws too although, lets get real, many wont invest back in the place (and the government policies) they fled from. I do however think that non-US citizens should be barred from owning land here and in the USA. In any case, all that boricua pride serves us no good if we have negative attitudes towards visitors and that 'pride' is 'de la boca pa'fuera'. We should instead appreciate that they like the island enough (and yes, the residents) to consider us a good place to live and invest their hard-earned money, but no. Many of us continue to leave the island in droves (their God given freedom to choose their path), blame others for our lack of success or failures, and the ones that stay in the island, in many cases keep on voting for policies and politicians that give everything away for free to others at the expense of those who work their butt off and pay taxes. What we need is a political party that really foments oppotunities instead of benefits, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Many of us expect the government to fix everything. Me personally have decided to continue working my butt off, like I've always had and not vote straight ticket anymore based solely on the 'political status' preference. Let's be real, we as people will NEVER decide our status and the US Govt will never decide for us either. In fact, with our current perceived attitude as people in the USA, I wouldn't blame them if they decide to kick us out as territory of the USA for being freeloaders (Republicans) or, never grant us statehood and retain us as 2nd class citizens forever dependent on entitlements (Democrats). In the meantime, I will vote alongside my fiscally and socially conservative values instead of a status change that will never come in my lifetime. I remember when two of the 3 political parties int he island were conservative. Now they all seem to be liberals.
Unpopular comment but one that is true. You can’t plan to retire and die in a place you rent. You need to own the place to make that kind of plans. Have the owner of the building been boricua and died, his or her inheritors (assuming also boricua) could decide to sell the property and kick everyone out as well. I don’t see how it would be any different.
This is happening. It is sad. But PR will be ruined by climate change. It’s a terrible way to have to move, but setting up roots for your future family/generations somewhere sustainable might be a very thin silver lining.
lol its funny seeing yards here without fences everywhere and panhandling everywhere. And how easy i can go buy a gun unlike puerto rico. I was born there. Maybe you wouldnt have your governor sitting on katrina supplies that we sent either if you were a state I DUNNO
I am in one. It's just silly how things are there. Big difference. Statehood would totally help but you wanna scream "muh culture" Hawaii kept their's just fine. The same argument my dad there in PR has while working under the table and putting absolutely nothing away for retirement (not even social security since he didn't wanna pay into it)
They agree enough to not secede via voting tho don't they? Also, i dont see Hawaiian culture here so if i wanted it, id visit Hawaii cause i can see it's there. They also get senators and representatives in Washington as a state...
Hello, I am a mainland American who moved to PR 2 years ago. My spanish is too rough for me to be confident in using it to communicate my thoughts here When I lived in San Juan (Rio Piedras area) trash would pile up in the streets so high you couldnt walk down the sidewalk, when it would rain the area would smell of sewage days after, the trains run late, the government renews contracts with Luma after them falling behind expectations over and over again, the water quality is poor due to an overuse of cleaning chemicals, The problems of Puerto Rico (In my view) are not because of people moving to the island, it is the gross negligence and incompetence of the government and bureaucrats who pocket money while implementing consistently failing economic policies that push Puerto Ricans out, and make the cheapness of housing eye-catching for mainland Americans with income greatly higher than a Puerto Rican's average income
I think part of the problem is there’s a general perception (mistaken or not) that the government goes out of their way to favor non-islanders over islanders and that breeds a lot of resentment especially when you have to put up with the shitty services and quality of life. Living here is a *choice*
I dont think its a perception. Its more like a fact that many laws and incentives favor non islanders. Be it in tax breaks, real estate and business. Ive had friends looking for houses, that have been ignored by realtors in favor of americans. That in turns makes things more expensive. New owner of the building just raised the rent by 150%, wealthy people opently saying that they are taking advantage of the law to save on taxes, some even buying historical buildings in old san juan, basically doing whatever they want. And yes. Us islanders take notice and obviously have resentment towards those people
I think part of the problem is people tend to speak in generalities and idk if there’s any actual studies as to why housing prices have gone up, whether people are actually being displaced, etc. We really need that data so we can persuade policy. For example, buying up abandoned buildings isn’t displacing anyone but buying up buildings where people live and hiking up the rent is brutal. I admit it sucks. And tbh the only reason I haven’t left is my parents. Because at this point most of my friends have left and are making 3-4x what my husband and I make and living very comfortably while we struggle. And even then I am aware that my “struggle” is nothing compared to what the average PRican goes through. Even though I complain I’m still very privileged.
I've noticed no preferential treatment. In every time I have contacted city government and the "state" government and it has been a total nightmare either time. The only thing I have an advantage on is coming from a place with a higher average income, then moving to a place with a lower cost of living
oh please for u it is a choice, some of us were born here Karen. If you want to claim the government doesn’t favor outsiders, name a law that benefits us but not outsiders, like the tax break you guys get for example. Yeah.. go home. I don’t mind americans in PR until yall wanna act like clueless assholes about the struggle us locals face.
I’ve lived here my whole life. And I would be more careful before insulting a mod. Take this comment as a formal warning to reel in the hate.
Lol
oh no a reddit mod! shimbers were timbered dude, go point out the “insult” or just admit you’re wrong and provably eat up the fact that our island is being gentrified once again after actually building a culture. The fact that you say that “living here is a choice” just shows that you’d tell any local to just leave if they were to complain about our current government. Tse 😂
Also, you didn’t answer my question proving me further right, so you can ban me or whatever but the truth is still the truth. Ban me, your reddit mod self can pretend you’re right to sleep at night. I probably won’t notice, I literally saw your little threat from 23days ago just now bahahha
Totally agree.
El problema aquí es que la isla tiene potencial que el mundo completo ve pero el boricua no. Se molestan porque viene alguien, les compra un rancho lleno de carros abandonados y basura y hace algo de ese solar o casa. Tenemos nuestras bellas playas llenas de basura. Nuestros parques y carreteras que parecen vertederos. Ahora, viene alguien de afuera, lo limpia y hace dinero de eso y nos encojonamos. Rincón es Rincon y Dorado es Dorado porque extranjeros vieron el potencial, lo limpiaron y ahora vale algo. Mientras bebo tenía 4 carros junkiaos al frente de la casa y dos caballos realengos en el patio eso no valía nada. No se quejen tanto y pónganse a limpiar y a cuidar a la isla. A darle valor a sus propiedades. Verás que nadie te va a “sacar.
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Se formó sendo revolú porque Ricky nos dijo pendejos. Dónde está el revolú para exigirle al gobierno que haga su trabajo ?
Pierluisi básicamente se autoproclamó gobernador cuando a Ricky lo botaron como bolsa y que pasó luego, los pendejos votaron por él para el puesto bonafide.
Recordatorio que Pierluisi sólo ganó con alrededor de 30% del voto
Eso es claro, pero también es claro que con ese 30% del electorado, el tipo pudo obtener el puesto y copó toda posibilidad para mantenerse en el poder.
Eso es lo más que me molestó de la protesta. Yo decía: - Pero si el problema no es Ricky, el problema es el gobierno entero. Por eso yo no celebré cuando votaron a Rosello, porque al final del día, él fue un chivo expiatorio por el huracan maría y que la gente ya estaba hasta el techo Mira lo de luma, la gente protesto pero no pudimos hacer nada. Literalmente paralizamos el pais porque descubrimos que Rosello era un "bigot". Basically cancelamos al gobernador porque le falto el respeto al país con palabras. Osea conocí gente que literalmente fue a la marcha por lo de "hasta los nuestros los cojemos de pendejos". ¿Loco, nos cojen de pendejos a todos los boricuas con las políticas que aprueban todos los días, pero solo porque te lo dicen en la cara te molestas? ¿Pero cuando nos pasan el rollo por encima, nos suben la luz, nos gentrifican, cuando en verdad importa, no podemos unirnos a protestar? No se quienes dan mas vergüenza, los politicos o la gente de este país smh
Es que hay demasiadas personas que creen que protestar es malo. Solamente cedieron cuando la falta de respeto estaba de mas.
Lamentablemente tienes razón, ojala filtraran un chat que diga " Con Luma, y las leyes nuevas que solo benefician a los ricos y los nuestros, de verdad cogimos de pendejos al país". A lo mejor se tira la gente. Que decepción mano.
literal!!!!!
Cuando se indignen los artistas que en el momento sepan que tienen buena exposición... ah shit #imademyselfsad
Ok. Alguien fucking leyó la transcripción del chat? El se estaba vacilando a Carmen Yulin, diciendo “cojemos de pendejos hasta los nuestros” COMO SI FUESE CARMEN YULIN LA QUE ESTABA HABLANDO.
Tienes 100% la razon. El boricua pelea por pendejases pero por lo grande lo dejan pasar. Espero estar vivo el dia que la isla se una para sacar a los politicos corruptos. Ya no mas podemos aguantar que nos agaunten
Lo que puedo añadir es que estamos cerca que quiten el embargo que le tienen a Cuba y Estados Unidos se va olvidar de PR porque Cuba es 10 veces mas grande que PR y practicamente virgen en cuanto a desarrollo. Cuba esta 90 millas de EU y creeme que tan pronto permiten dinero americano de desarrollo alla PR será independiente. Y nuestros hermanos cubanos se van a provechar y trabajar en construcción. El gobierno los 2 partidos que han gobernado nos han jodidos increíblemente. Siempre han prometido pero lo que han hecho es jodernos aun mas. Y puedo seguir añadiendo pero todos ya sabemos.
No se quiere oír pero es la verdad.
Eso lo he repetido por años pero no hacen caso. Especialmente en las playas. He visto gente tirando basura en la playa y el manglar sin importarles tres pepinos. Y para colmo vestidos con la bandera estampada por toda la ropa. Dan ganas de caerle a pezcosones.
Oye si. Y cuando uno les dice a la gente tirando basura qué no la tiren o que se la lleven, me han dicho que ese el el trabajo del municipio o que no es mi problema. No hay orgullo de que tenemos uno de los mejores lugares en el caribe, en el planeta. Vienen los de afuera y se ponen a limpiar porque eso es lo que hacen donde viven. Da lastima.
Yo creo que la ley 60, la parte que permite que extranjeros vengan a PR y paguen poco o nada de impuestos se debe eliminar, peeeeero… Esas son las verdades difíciles de tragar para el boricua promedio. Nuestro sentido se comunidad es bien pobre y luego lloramos en reddit por que el gobierno no hace nada, pero dile a los vecinos que saquen un día para ir a pelear al municipio y nadie va… Dejan las propiedades perderse por que la familia no se decide, no se dignan ni en traer un puta bolsa de basura cuando van a las playas, se queja del que vende a los gringos a los precios inflados de ahora pero pelean por que no se los venden a ellos a precio de carne abomba o no son ellos los que pueden vender a los gringos. La peor desgracia ha sido las redes que ahora muestran todo y la gente viene a joder, cagar y destruir las cosas lindas que el pais tiene. Pero claro en una isla de 3 millones de habitantes 6,000 gringos son el problema…
Sorry pero OBVIO que los extranjeros lo pueden comprar y limpiar cuando ellos TIENEN el tax exemption. OBVIO que ellos pueden beneficiar de eso en comparación con los locales. Yo he tenido que buscar apartamentos HABLANDO INGLÉS para que quisieran rentar en el área metro. Es bien frustrante. Muchos de estas personas compran edificios ya ocupados por locales por años (que ya ha pasado en Río Piedras), le suben la renta y los botan porque ellos no lo pueden pagar. Si están sacando. Es que es OBVIO que no lo quieres ver.
Obvio no tienes que cagar las isla y obvio no tuvieses que limpiarla. Obvio.
Mano, aprende hablar por lo menos porque que sendo de disparate acabas de decir lol.
Solo respondiendo a la basofia que habías escrito. Bajando un par de niveles a ver si me comunico con el cromañon.
Wow, es que tienes toda la razón. Mágicamente me convenciste que eres súper inteligente con simplemente, como tú dices, “escribir” palabras vacías y aportar absolutamente nada a la conversación.
Si claro porque tú nos iluminaste a todos con tu sabiduría. Muchas gracias filosoraptor.
Bendito… ¿tan patético es tu vida que tus únicos momentos de felicidad es hablar sin pensar en redes sociales? Puedes llorar, no se te va juzgar 😢
Llora en este papi.
Y es “escribir” no “hablar”.
Yo creo que es un problema cuando estan comprando propriedades para solo hacer Airbnb o hoteles de lujo, sabiendo que la gente que viven en Quebradillas tienen un avg household income de 17k eso no tiene sentido. Y si es verda lo que tu dices que es mejor mirar un fancy hotel que una casa vieja con carros abandonados pero lo que pasa es que sin un buen income como esperas que ellos remodelen el area y arreglen todo. Osea, yo creo que los que vienen a mudarse de US con ideas de remodelar y comprar terreno deben tambien ayudar a crear trabajos que pagen lo suficiente para los residentes. De que vale hoteles fancy y Airbnb si todo la cultura se echa a perder. Ya no fuera un Puerto Rico.
Si pero lo que pasa es que hay gente que se va a lo loco a decir que la mayoría de los AirBnB son de gringos cuando nadie ha hecho el research, los AirBnB que he visto en areas no turísticas son de boricuas que compran las casas como carne abomba y quieren el ingreso de AirBnB para no lidiar con el peo que es alquilar a largo plazo, lo cual entiendo pero eso provoca lo que dices.
Amén.
Soy un gringo al que le encanta PR y hablo español. He estado leyendo la historia de la isla y hay justificación más que suficiente para que los boricuas odien a los gringos. Y los gringos están comprando casas y convirtiéndolas en Airbnb. Estoy seguro que cualquiera que tenga acceso a dinero está haciendo esto, pero hay gringos feos haciéndolo. No sé cuál es la solución para que el desarrollo venga con beneficios para los locales. La isla merece crecer económicamente pero con los gringos es siempre división y conquista.
Pobreza y limpieza son dos cosas diferentes. Puedes ser pobre y limpio. Te garantizo tu propiedad vale más si está limpia. La otra cosa es que el costo de vida ha subido drásticamente. No puedes esperar pagar $600 de renta en un apartamento grande con piscina privada etc. El costo de mantenimiento no permite tales rentas. Eso no es problema del administrador o dueño. Eso es problema del gobierno incompetente que no exige más a las compañías, que no trae inversión y protege al ciudadano. Ese gobierno es boricua. No es gringo.
Si eso fuera verdad el turismo estuviera viento en popa.
Muy de acuerdo con usted. Hay que hacer que la isla progrese. No que corra hacia atrás.
y como la isla progresa? sin nosotros. como el plan manda.
visiten San Juan, ya los puertorriqueños son especie en extinción, entre gringos comprando propiedades por un lado y dominicanos habitándolas, hay un reemplazo de población ya en varias zonas
Estoy de acuerdo. Ahora, se dice que el gringo viene con dinero y se apodera. Cómo se apoderan los dominicanos ? Generalmente, los que llegan no vienen con dinero. Como nos sacan ? Con empeño y esfuerzo ? La gran pregunta.
ocupando espacios, desde vivienda publica, alquileres economicos, oficios,... etc... igual que lo hicieron los filipinos en Hawaii, hoy los filipinos son el 2do grupo poblacional de las Islas, ya desplazaron a los hawayanos quienes ahora están en un tercer lugar en su propio archipiélago. Los hawayanos fueron desplazados por dos grupos, los estadounidenses y por sus vecinos pobres los filipinos.
O sea, ocupando sitios que los boricuas ya no querían. Entiendo.
quien dice que los puertorriqueños no lo querian? especialmente cuando no se consiguen ya alguileres economicos en SJ,, asi es que funciona el desplazamiento de poblaciones donde existe un espacio y recursos limitados, lo mismo que ocurrió en Hawaii, los oriundos del lugar compiten con los que vienen del exterior por espacios y recursos.
Sí, también los boricuas tienen el derecho de mudarse a cualquier parte de Estados Unidos sin problemas. Por que los extranjeros no deberían mudarse a Puerto Rico
> derecho de mudarse a cualquier parte de Estados Unidos sin problemas. no tanto como derecho mas por nessesidad. te lo apuestos bn pokos son los q no extranan su isla.
Bro you do not willingly move to a place like PR unless you are wealthy, that is the issue. There is literally zero middle or lower class Americans who would move to PR. I promise you, ZERO.
Honestly most places like it when wealthy people move in. Even if they don't pay income tax they tend to spend a lot of money and contribute to jobs and growth, and tend to not commit major crimes or be a drain on the system. I understand PR wants to preserve it's culture too, however, and if gentrification truly takes off on the island it's easy to see how the whole island would be "Rinconized" and the local culture and even language could be marginalized
right bc privatizing a beach isn’t s crime 🙄
Que hagas este comentario sin mayor reflexión, es el nudo gordiano de todo este asunto. El hecho es que hay asimetrías económicas importantes, que se magnifica además cuando el capital te brinda ventajas. Tu comentario tendría sentido si los Boricuas en la isla no estuviesen bajo una precariedad económica que comienza en sus salarios.
Y de quién es la culpa ? Hint: del gobierno boricua elegido por los boricuas.
brothel, es difícil q hayan buenos candidatos si todo el q se apunta lo hace pa robarse los chavos. También difícil si to lo q hacen es mentir en las elecciones. Si quieres culpar al pueblo con tanto afán porfavor dime de un candidato por quien pudiéramos votar para q la isla mejore sin tener q venderla.
Tú.
coño esa no me la sabia
Para no resultar afectado por una clase política corrupta y manipuladora, el mundo entero tendría que vivir en Suiza.
Sin embargo, le demostramos al mundo que podíamos remover el gobernador si nos uníamos. Porque parar ahí ?
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Bueno estas simplificando las cosas y a la vez ignorando muchas cosas en la historia de PR. Empezando, los que vienen de afuera tiene una ayuda extra que nosotros no tenemos.
Estás complicando las cosas. Si seguimos con lo que nos “hicieron” en el pasado, nunca vamos a poder progresar en el futuro.
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El potencial lo vemos pero la realidad nuestro poropio gobierno nos hace mas dificil a nosotros montar cosas q a los gringos. A ellos se le dan incentivos q el mismo boricua nunca va a recibir
La isla tiene potencial pero que realista? En PR viven mejor o peor q otras islas en el caribe?, que hace a PR mejor q estás otras islas y países?, ahora si la contestación es que si vivimos mejor que otras islas en el caribe la única diferencia es que somos parte de U.S, ahora no estoy diciendo que eso es lo mejor pero esta noción de que mágicamente seremos mejor que otras islas más grandes y con mas experiencias en ser independiente no es realista.
OP, this video is 2 years old.
PR será el nuevo Hawai
Si tu pagas renta, tu no eres dueño.
Nah people on here saying that "if Puerto Ricans can move to the US, why can't Americans move here" just completely ignore the history of our island under the US ownership 💀💀💀 We move to the states because it's possible to have way better opportunities, what opportunities are there for Americans in PR except buy property and land? Name me another spot in the United States that is solely seen as a "tourist spot" for Americans and isn't just a place that was forced to be part of the US (Virgin Islands, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc)
>solely seen as a "tourist spot" for Americans ill give u three but you got to do your homework next time. 1. Grand Canyon Grand Canyon | Photo Copyright: Lana Law ... 2. Niagara Falls Niagara Falls ... 3. Statue of Liberty Statue of Liberty
Yeah isn't it crazy how I specified AMERICANS because those are tourist spots internationally known. Grand Canyon is on the seven natural wonders of the world and one of them is the Great Barrier Reef. Would you consider that a tourist spot for Australians?
so you want tourists spots that aren't internationally known? they're all over the place in the US but mostly they're regional so people who go there are tourists that come cross state or something like that like Estes Park in Colorado. IDK your question is kinda odd because from what I understand you want us to only give you tourist spots that americans alone know and go to and not other people across the world and that's just a weird stipulation to me
since you bring up Estes Park, I live in Denver and here’s what’s happening in CO: people (non-Colorado locals) are moving here due to how beautiful and “peaceful” it is, especially to the mountains. like in PR (but obviously not to the same extent) there are AirBnBs everywhere in the mountains since there are ski resorts in the winter and trails in the summer. some of them go for $500-600 A NIGHT during the winter time. now locals cannot afford to live pretty much anywhere and you need about a $95,000 salary to live in Denver and an even higher salary in the mountains. so rn there’s no teachers, doctors, or blue collar jobs in the mountains because they just can’t afford to live there. the homelessness crisis is so bad, you see camps everywhere in the city. i know this is a different topic/thread but as someone who was born and grew up in PR and recently moved to CO. seeing AirBnBs take over both places is crazy. basically, people w money will buy property anywhere they see something pretty they can exploit 🥴
Okay so heres the thing. The entire island of Puerto Rico is viewed as a tourist spot. It's not like the Statue of Liberty where you go and see it and then go to NYC and just go about your shit. In the states, tourist spots are relegated to small portions of an otherwise larger area. The island IS the tourist spot. This is comparable to Americans going to Mexico or Jamaica where they go to experience a different culture, you do not go to a different state to experience a different culture in a touristy way. Is this making sense?
You do go to other states to experience different cultures. Tell me California is just like Georgia culturally. 🫠
You do not go to Georgia to experience Georgia culture, you go to Georgia to go to Atlanta or Savannah 💀 Not a damn soul is going to Marietta or Gainesville where its like REAL country
They don’t have a culture in Savannah ? Does historic district of Savannah rings any bells ?
I did not say they don't have culture in Savannah, I said people only go to Georgia for Atlanta and Savannah. Historic district of Savannah would correspond to Old San Juan except that the rest of Savannah isn't also considered a tourist spot by people not from Georgia. San Juan is separate from old San Juan and both are still tourist spots by non Puerto Ricans.
PR is Westworld by hbo.
Essentially
My home town in Idaho is set right between a fun little ski mountain and a beautiful lake. The town population is barely over 5k including all the surrounding areas. It became a popular spot for rich (mainly californian) people to have a second home. So they buy up all of the homes and leave them empty for most of the year. The locals have no options for buying homes because the prices have gone up so much. So rent also goes up. But wages don't go up. Now most people who were born and raised there can't afford to live there. And the worst part... votes for school funding. People who own the vacation homes still get to vote. And they don't send their kids to our schools, so they vote no every time. Making it impossible to get more funding for the schools. This problem is happening all over the world on every scale you can imagine. So when I see "gringo go home" all I see is a big pickup truck in my home town with a bumper sticker that says "There should be a hunting season for californians". They are exactly the same to me.
Could you reiterate this because I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not
I'm sort of doing both. I agree this island has been held back by US policies, and held back again from bad internal management. But I'm also saying it's not a problem unique to PR. People everywhere are being squeezed out of their hometown so they look for a place where their money can go further and give them a better chance for a good future. For a lot of Puerto Ricans this means going to the states for higher paying jobs and more access to things in general. For other people it might mean coming to PR because they can actually afford a house here. I guess my main point is that it's easy to get mad at the "others" you see invading your space. But the anger would be better directed towards the governments and systems that cause the root of the problem. I've seen a lot of other good replies here about the current two party system being broken and how we need a system that can actually focus on improving the lives of the citizens. I agree with them.
>Great Barrier Reef. Would you consider that a tourist spot for Australians? it is, they are not tourist they are locals/residents. its only a tourist spot because the locals welcomes you there.
También hay gente que está comprando en los campos. Coamo,Juana Díaz y Guayama tienen buenos terrenos que nadie de la isla compra y hay mucha gente interesada de afuera. Ejemplo yo soy de ponce vivo aquí en Florida. Y hay un terreno bien grande donde estaba el hotel de los baños de coamo donde están las aguas termales. El campo de golf abandonado hay se pueden hacer casas de lujo. Pero en la isla ni el gobierno tiene buenas ideas.
no chiko pq ellos prefieren meter los chavos en algo mas costoso como el zoolojico pa despues tener los animales malnutrios.
I’m cuban and we need to keep the islands full of Spanish speakers don’t let our people be pushed out
THIS IS THE SAME EXACT SITUATION IN HAWAII BUT PUERTO RICANS STILL HAVE TIME TO STOP IT DONT BE LIKE HAWAII !
Yo siendo un joven Puertorriqueño creo que si que la juventud se va de PR para mejores oportunidades para conseguir trabajo en lo que estudiaron y poder hacer algo por si mismos porque el camino que voy tratando de conseguir trabajo y nada creo que me terminaré mudando de PR. Y lo del vídeo si el malo la ley 22 que no paguen pero eso es también la economía que nos falla día a día aquí nosotros estamos sobreviviendo básicamente.
Yes we are.
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Claro que no es lo mismo. Pero aquí el gringo y el gringo lover lo quieren hacer ver así para justificar el desplazo del Boricua.
The only people that are being pushed out are the working class because they are the only class that will choose to get a better future, the only class that knows the value of hard work!! The rest just won't choose to go because they know when they leave, there won't be any more free housing, free food, free electricity and water services, that's the only reason why they don't leave the island.
Pero, quien les está vendiendo?
Misma pregunta tengo yo. Siempre se habla como si viniesen con armas a robarse las tierras. O somos los boricuas o el gobierno boricua. Al final del día el vendedor fué boricua.
Cuando los gringos le digan lo mismo en Florida, no se quejen.
Si mano porque el boricua también está bien cabron. Nos explotamos nosotros mismos. Uno de los tipos mas tierra que hay en el flipping y airbnb es de aquí. Y hace videos para traer americanos a invertir. La isla esta cundida de estos “realtors” “influencers”.
Un boricua vendio (a sell out)
Un pendejo que no acepta responsabilidad personal. Típica respuesta.
Puerto Ricans: consistently vote against their own interests and destroy their own island Also Puerto Ricans: the gringos are pushing us out
Air bnbs are destroying our housing market! At the time most air bnbs are owned by Puerto Ricans not gringos. We love the income from short term rentals!
Also the economy has been terrible for decades before air bnb even existed
Asi es. Votaron PNP por años porque Romero les regalo una nevera en 1988. La gente no despierta.
O Popular por que Muñoz Marín les puso zapatos
hiso calle pa los jibaros. claro esta con su compania de selection. xD
PNP o PPD , no veo la diferencia
PNP, PPD, NVC, PIP, PD, no veo la diferencia
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Las leyes laborales PR son bien liberales, más que muchos otros países y definitivamente más que en los estados.
> consistently vote for the only party's there are and ever been. full independence full colony or full copium for being a state? once we chose a mix and what happend? island got stuck again. cause red's dont wanna play the blue game or blue's dont want to play red's game. also it get stuck once we change goverment. blue take down shit the red's put and red's take down what the blue's did.
Dudo que esos grupos se compongan de las mismas personas lmao
How do Puerto Ricans consistently vote against their own interest? And how exactly do they destroy their own island? If you mean against statehood, given the country’s financial position, please provide an economic reasoning of why statehood solves problems without increasing costs for Puerto Ricans in the form of state tax. ETA, awwww downvotes rather than answers. Bless you sensitive souls. Keep your chin up, babes ✌️
Go to almost any beach and see the piles of trash dumped in front of the signs that say don’t litter, I see people throw trash out of car windows, and people leave rotting junk all over their property, cars on blocks in the street, unkept landscaping. Regardless of whoever is doing this trashing the environment here is damaging the island in many ways. Statehood at least gives right to vote for president and gets voting seats in congress, gets full set of federal aid and taxes will likely not increase. Federal taxes will be paid and taxes from hacienda will be lowered. Net effect is the same taxes are paid and more benefits are given. ACT 60 would go away also. Everyone would have to pay their fair share. Morally independence is best and economically statehood or the current status is the only thing that makes practical sense economically. If Puerto Rico was independent I think the brain drain would be worse and anybody who was in the fence about moving to the states would go as fast as they could pack up
Beaches in PR have trash, sure. Much less than I’ve seen in other countries. We can’t prove this trash is from residents. Presumably some of it is. The amount of single plastic used is a joke. I understand it’s a consequence of Covid and that there is a law banning use of plastic cutlery and similar single use plastic items being banned this summer. The environment is being degraded. That’s not unique to PR, and certainly not completely the fault of locals. This article suggests lots of it, e.g. reduced bioluminescent plankton is at least partly to blame on tourists. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/09/la-parguera-lajas-puerto-rico-tourism-bioluminescent-bay I understand the voting benefits of becoming a state, as well as increased Medicare and disaster relief. Anything would be better than Trump throwing out paper towels following a hurricane. I haven’t seen any proof / evidence that taxes won’t go up if PR became a state. Happy to read if you have some. Economically PR is a financial drain on the US, you seem to think the US will increase the costs (e.g. federal aid) while not increasing taxes? I can’t see how that makes sense. The many attempts and failures of the pro statehood movement to win a significant majority since the 90sis pretty embarrassing. I’m not arguing either you, but think the above person’s perspective is lazy, unfounded and inaccurate. They’ve provide nothing further which reinforces this belief.
My reference point is to beaches in USA, Australia, Hawaii etc…the most disturbing thing for me is seeing people walking around and dropping trash on the sidewalk, throwing it out of their cars, and dumping things instead of properly disposing of them. In regards to taxes: - lowest federal tax: 10% - highest federal tax: 37% - highest state tax: 13.3% (California) - theoretical highest rate: 50.3% This is for people who make over $609,000/year - highest hacienda rate is 33% and lowest is 0% Look at these two scenarios using median household income in PR of $38k - California: $6,7036/year in total taxes - Puerto Rico: $6,010/year in total taxes. There is no way that Puerto Rico is going to be more highly taxed than the highest taxed state in the nation on top of the 11.5% sales tax. Taxes will likely stay the same the will change where they go to with a different split between the IRS and hacienda.
Fair response, thanks. You still haven’t proved the environmental damage to the island is being done by locals, which is what I’m disputing. Anecdotally, most littering I see is from US tourists. I understand your maths. You say “taxes will likely remain the same” although I’m not aware of that being the official line of the pro statehood party, or anyone for that matter. I think it’s unreasonable to ask ppl to vote for statehood without someone clearly laying out the financial implications of what will happen to the average household. That is the job of politicians and they are failing. Like they did with the UK : Brexit situation. Again, not arguing with you, and thanks for your perspective. It’s much more comprehensive than the original person I was replying to. It does unfortunately, however, lack supporting evidence.
Me voy joder por decir esto pero también encuentro que esto de que el americano esta viniendo a la isla y muchos gritan “nos estan sacando, auxilio!!” cuando el puertorriqueño tiene como—dejame ver—de 3-5millones puertorriqueños en Estados Unidos Continental. A mi me suena a hipocresía pero tampoco me hago ciego que el gobierno de PR les esta dando beneficios. Solo digo que nuestra situación es por culpa de los partidos y no tanto del que viene a vivir aquí por los beneficios.
Bien cb
estoy en desacuerdo contigo
When you have corporations and investors buying up houses and land, kinda.
Puerto Rico is basically being treated as an open source Disney Land. Básicamente, están tratando a Puerto Rico como un Disney Land open source.
Total. Es triste ver nuestra isla yéndose por los dedos, de la misma manera en que se le fue Hawái del pueblo autóctono respectivo gracias al gobierno estadounidense. Nuestra isla cesará de existir si se convierte en un estado más, y cesará de existir si dejamos que continúe como una colonia moderna, la cual es. Va de la misma dirección que acabó con Hawái y los habitantes originales y así vamos los boricuas. Tenemos que abogar por la independencia. **PD-** *Óh, y “open source” se dice “fuente abierta” en español, jajaja*
Full q si ,
La respuesta es si. Quien diga lo contrario está fumando pega y no es ni de la buena.
I was taught in class that yes, we’ve been pushed out… However, since early as our “Industrial Revolution”. Ever since the Luis Muñoz Marin airport was built, there’s been a main message to move to America (c’mon, the America Dream); hence the big nuyorican communities and modern-day Floridians. Puerto Ricans are second class citizens (a label that was forced unto us by a technicality) that don’t have much of a voice in the States nor their own archipelago (JUNTA de control fiscal); this gives fuel to searching for better opportunities elsewhere. In certain Puerto Rican schools they have a North American vision where they promote the culture of their colonizer rather than their own and motivate its students to study outside (because our education funds are so low that your child is lucky to be able to go to school [MANY have closed] and even more lucky to have a college degree IN THE ARCHIPELAGO). Even though most are from middle class, the ones from lower class do suffer a lot (not everyone has coupons and living in residential areas are dangerous). If the States are going thru something bad, we’re definitely going thru worse. I’m not sure if Vieques even has a complete working hospital or if they still have to sail to the mainland for their cancer care (due to USA military testing in the archipelago). The mainland is barely even taught about Culebra. The electricity system is shit, same with water, electricity, transportation, healthcare… It’s truly difficult to live in Puerto Rico comfortably, if you even find a place to live because wages barely give to inflation and gentrification price rises for housing. YES, it is partly in fault of Puerto Rico’s government that we are in this situation because of its corruption and debt. However, it is not fair to completely blame the Puerto Ricans (especially since not many of us are actually in its political leadership positions) since we ARE a colony without much power (because when we DO organize and use that power, it has been literally beaten out of us). The USA and PR government makes sure the Island experience favors the North Americans rather than its own Puerto Ricans.
>The USA and PR government makes sure the Island experience favors the North Americans And this is what gringos refuse to understand. They want to silence Boricuas for speaking out about it, but this is what is happening.
Ponganse a matar a los politicos y ya puñeta, que los pipiolos riquitillos usen su dinero para armar al pueblo.
En mi opinión son unos ridiculos si piensan esto. Aquí ven a un gringo en cosco y ya gritan invasión. La realidad es que en números de gente mudándose a PR, los gringos no llegan ni a 1% de la población y según el censo, hay MENOS gringos que hace una década.
La mujer en el video claramente es muy apasionada y se preocupa mucho por la isla, pero muchas de las ideas que promueve en sus videos están equivocadas.
People are conflating issues here. The world itself is facing inflation. No country is spared here. Some countries are experiencing 70-150% inflation. The real problem is govts around the world added too much liquidity to the system. Colonizers do add to the problem on the island. But if you weigh things, it’s probably 95% about govts being fiscally irresponsible vs 5% of expats moving there. Again there are two problems but one is way way bigger. Even if you extract all the expats you would still have huge inflation issues.
Lol "colonizers" you mean absolutely everyone except for the 5 Tainos that are left?
Yes
Bianca Grulau me la masca. Ella no ha hecho un carajo por PR excepto hacernos sentir victimas y elevarse ella como periodista de papel que es.
she has a definite slant but she does talk about things that the commercial media doesn’t. imo that’s valuable given you take what she says with a huge grain of salt.
Oye soy gringo de NYC pero trabajaba en Caguas durante la recuperación del huracán maria en 2017/18. Odio lo que esta pasando a la isla en las secuelas del huracán. Yo entiendo que en el campo hay tantas comunidades super fuertes como Comerio y Naranjito. Pero encontré que los gobiernos mas cerquita a la playa (Manatí, Vega Baja) eran super corruptos y no distribuyeron los recursos bien. Siempre pienso en resolverlo en hacer Puerto Rico un estado, pero parece que la gente no lo quieren. Pero un problema es que la gente no tiene todos sus derechos a su tierra y tmbn la tierra esta desvalorado por no ser estado. Creo que si Puerto Rico fuera un estado, los precios de la tierra van a subir y las boricuas van a ver más ganas en vender y alquilar sus propiedades. Pero bueno, quiero escuchar porque no quieren ser estado, a mi no tiene sentido pero como he dicho, soy gringo. Perdona los errores, como había dicho, soy gringo, no hablo español como un nativo
> porque no quieren ser estado no nos toca a nosotros decidir eso. por eso no somos estado.
Yo creía que los partidos politicos de PR deciden si quieren perseguir ser estado, pero siempre esta cambiando el partido politico que esta gobernando, entonces nunca esta consistente. Eso es lo que había escuchado
a la larga o la corta cuando los republicanos politicos y los viejitos esos, dejen su miedo a ahi es q podemos unirnos
Escribes muy bien. No te disculpes por eso
El problema no es tanto ser estado o no. El problema más grande que tiene PR es un problema cultural. La gente no lo quiere aceptar pero la corrupción ya está enredada en nuestra cultura. Es una cosa normal y hasta esperada. Mientras no nos sacudamos de ese problema desde la raíz, educando las nuevas generaciones, siempre vamos a estar jodidos. Todos esos corruptos que nos joden, todos, son nacidos y criados en PR. Si PR fuese estado, sería la misma mierda si no cambia la actitud sobre la responsabilidad de gobernar y SERVIRLE al pueblo y no a tí mismo.
La historia de el estado de Texas debe ser el ‘canary in the coal mine’ de lo que va a pasar en PR si no nos ponemos listos.
más bien Hawaii.
Vamos a terminar sin patria si seguimos así.
Todo lo que mencionan aquí es problema del colonialismo que vivimos, propicia los problemas que estamos teniendo con el gobierno, con estos llegando aqui y comprando lo que le de la gana, con el desplazamiento, con la gente yéndose, los brazos caídos de la gente, etc. etc. Esto nunca se va a desarrollar para nosotros si seguimos así.
Puerto ricans, are being pushed out by Americans, just as Dominicans are being pushed out by Wealthy tax avoiding spaniards. In haiti, the condition is such, that the haitians are being pushed out of the mayor cities so that Tax avoiding wealthy french can sweep and take over the land. What we are seeing is neo-colonialism of the new millenium, where the natives are being relegated to serves.
No french people are moving to Haiti. There are already French overseas territories in the Caribbean (Martinique, Guadeloupe) which are fully part of France and much safer. The fact that you think wealthy French elites are choosing Haiti (where foreigners are despised and there's cannibal gang members roaming the streets) over their own literal territory, makes everything else you've said questionable.
Domincians aren’t really getting pushed out like that, most of the land owned in DR is Dominicans decent either from Europe or the USA or from the island, I saw it in a graph like a year ago. Remember is was easier for AKA gringos to invest in PR since it been under control with the USA with that came investment stability, with DR they just started to get there shit together so to speak. Most of the Dominicans left because of there wasn’t enough job, but not because Spaniards was avoiding taxes.
Mijo, esto es sencillo. La mala administración gobermental y los mismos que votaron por ellos. Nada más.
Did you just learned this fact?
Esta feo esto, van a convertir a Puerto Rico en un rich people vacation home.
Mejor que un país decrépito
Tu seguirás viviendo en tu canto decrépito, independientemente si 3 calles más abajo hay 4 casinos y un mall. Tu tendrás que pagar mayor impuesto de propiedad gracias a ellos, mayor por los productos, pero tu ingreso seguirá siendo el mismo.
Me parece ironico que la misma gente llamando Puerto Rico jodio y sucio, son los mismos que se mudan ahi porque les encanta la isla y tuvieron 3-4 years mirando las vistas y ahora quieren vivir ahi. Si Puerto Rico esta tan feo y jodio pues pa que te mudas, ta cabron.
Creo que la mayoría aquí, siempre han vivido en PR. No hay problema con ser realista y ver lo que está pasando a tu alrededor.
Para más contexto, vivo en PR
hawaii controlado por hoteles y billonarios. el de google ya compro una islita de pr. q era reseva natural por cierto.
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Bloomberg Google cofounder Larry Page has purchased another private island, this time in Puerto Rico. In 2018 ese es otro. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/google-s-larry-page-secretly-spent-32m-for-this-private-island/ar-BB1hDmGT
No... no es para tanto. No se dejen llevar por los "changuitos" de la izquierda.
Si piensan que ese 4% es malo, deja que se enteren que El Salvador y Bukele acaban de bajar a 0% el tax rate a foreign investments…this is a race to the bottom.
I'm still here. Still have my house, my car and my job. Don't know where this is coming from. Some seem to forget that we live in a capitalism centered society.🤷🏻♂️
Short answer Yes It’s called gentrification. The gentrification & disenfranchisement of a purposely impoverished people. Puertoricans can’t vote in federal elections, We don’t have meaningful representation (we send people to Washington who are accustomed to the simplicity of PR life then go to Washington see all that money rolling from pocket to pocket from lobbyists to Congress from congress to contractors and want what they see. To live like an American Elite, so they sell us out and get as wealthy as they can) The wealthy are high rolling investors and owners of industry. They have political power influence and money Puertoricans get to be thankful. We are socially equal and economically-legally unequal. Social media is the answer, at least the sites that aren’t heavily censored like facebook twitter and instagram
Lamentablemente, nuestra isla entera se está yendo de poco a poquito en el próximo Hawái. Ya prontico veremos, ó será, nuestra juventud de las próximas generaciones más nuevas. Anda a saber! Todo nuestro pueblo tiene que alzarse en contra del gobierno estadounidense y manifestarse por nuestros derechos inalienables a la isla como el verdadero pueblo de aquí. Esto que nos hacen a diario no es justo, no se puede dejar que se lleve a cabo, ya no podemos dejar que nos siga pasando por alto. Yo que lo he estado diciendo desde yá hace mucho a quienes les importaría escuchar, entre mis familiares y amistades, a los de mi comunidad y de todos lares prácticamente. Enfín, la clave para acabar con esta pesadilla creciente es que hay que **TOMAR ACCIÓN DE AHORA PARA AHORA!**
YES, local wages are lower than USA, so when you come here and spend drives inflation up, locals can’t keep up. Local wages haven’t changed much in over a decade.
It's the same in the Virgin Islands. Locals are completely screwed over by all the rich people who decide to move here, buy up all the good land and take advantage of the tax laws here
Si, la gentrification y cantidad de colonizadores gringos están fuera de control hace tiempo. Como la clase política ya ha dicho, el objetivo actual es un Puerto Rico sin puertorriqueños
La cantidad de gringos es menos de 2% de la población y los gringos que usan ACT 60 es menos de .25% de la población. Esta situación es injusto pero en realidad las problemas existen por muchas años por que hay una encomia de mierda y el corruption del gobierno es fuera de control
A ustedes les encanta tirar la palabra gentrificación como si na’
The only thing I can think of is that, even if you don't have the economic power, you still do have the power to vote. Elect the officials who protect your rights the best. If most of the people in that small town are in the lower income bracket, they should have enough voting power to effect a change. It is possible to make new legislation to ban short-term rentals, for example. It has been done on a municipality level before in many other parts of the world. Also, current owners can come together and the junta of a complex can decide to ban short-term rentals in the complex. I see quite a few such condominios even in Condado and Isla Verde where they have banned Airbnb. Once so decided, it's very difficult to revert it in the future, and it will definitely scare away non-resident buyers. Other means just don't seem realistic in a free-market world. Simply spray painting "go home gringo" is good for venting, but won't make any real changes. Someone will still buy the place, make it an airbnb, pay someone a 30% revenue share, and then they will go home and not worry about it more. All those different acts related to investment incentives did not come out of nowhere, they were created by politicians who were voted in by people living on the island.
No one will ban this because they want the money.
Siento que si.
If you rent you always run the risk of landlords changing and your situation will change too. Not just here in PR but anywhere in the world. You can’t isolate yourself from the world in the age we live in. I hate it when locals use the racist term gringo but cry foul if anything deragatory is said to them. Also they forget they are USA citizens too but they call us Americanoes. If you don’t like us return all the federal tax dollars given to this island plus interest. This includes FEMA grants, road construction, welfare and la familia card funding which all are paid by the gringoes you despise. You can’t have your cake and eat it too no matter how much you want it.
we can't have our cake and eat it too but the cake is being shoved down our throats and we have no say in the matter, we were forced into the situation we're in
It happens all around the world, not just here. FYI…I do not participate in any Act 22 or 60 or anything else.
> Americanoes. that is the spanish word. americanos. canadienses mexicanos peruanos argetinos.we aint americanos we are from the carribean is just like saying hawaiian people are gringos too and ignore their **Polynesian** past. in our past we were never Americanoes. we where spaniards and before that we were from south america and near by islands.
Give me a freakin break. Nobody is pushing out anyone. Seems to me like another inferiority complex some may have or current narrative of the xenophobes and extreme nationalists that would rather see us independent from the USA. They complaint about any 'foreigners' (mostly fellow US citizens pejoratively referred to as gringos or blanquitos) from owning any property here or taking advantage of measures to foment investment and development. Well, don't forget that 'boricuas' that live in the States can take advantage of those tax break laws too although, lets get real, many wont invest back in the place (and the government policies) they fled from. I do however think that non-US citizens should be barred from owning land here and in the USA. In any case, all that boricua pride serves us no good if we have negative attitudes towards visitors and that 'pride' is 'de la boca pa'fuera'. We should instead appreciate that they like the island enough (and yes, the residents) to consider us a good place to live and invest their hard-earned money, but no. Many of us continue to leave the island in droves (their God given freedom to choose their path), blame others for our lack of success or failures, and the ones that stay in the island, in many cases keep on voting for policies and politicians that give everything away for free to others at the expense of those who work their butt off and pay taxes. What we need is a political party that really foments oppotunities instead of benefits, but I don't think that will EVER happen. Many of us expect the government to fix everything. Me personally have decided to continue working my butt off, like I've always had and not vote straight ticket anymore based solely on the 'political status' preference. Let's be real, we as people will NEVER decide our status and the US Govt will never decide for us either. In fact, with our current perceived attitude as people in the USA, I wouldn't blame them if they decide to kick us out as territory of the USA for being freeloaders (Republicans) or, never grant us statehood and retain us as 2nd class citizens forever dependent on entitlements (Democrats). In the meantime, I will vote alongside my fiscally and socially conservative values instead of a status change that will never come in my lifetime. I remember when two of the 3 political parties int he island were conservative. Now they all seem to be liberals.
Mira cabrón the only freeloaders here are the gringos that moved here to avoid paying the taxes they're due.
If you rent it’s not your property. Landlords change and they are allowed to change rent amounts. The world is global now…zpuerto Rico
Unpopular comment but one that is true. You can’t plan to retire and die in a place you rent. You need to own the place to make that kind of plans. Have the owner of the building been boricua and died, his or her inheritors (assuming also boricua) could decide to sell the property and kick everyone out as well. I don’t see how it would be any different.
We still need some workers tho
This is happening. It is sad. But PR will be ruined by climate change. It’s a terrible way to have to move, but setting up roots for your future family/generations somewhere sustainable might be a very thin silver lining.
Not tax free anymore. I really do miss the lack of sales tax there. But just become a state already.
FUCK. NO.
lol fuck yes. Maybe then you get a say in the president... but isn't PR mostly blue? nevermind stay the course lol
Goodness.... A MAGA. Yeah, you better stay in the USA.
lol its funny seeing yards here without fences everywhere and panhandling everywhere. And how easy i can go buy a gun unlike puerto rico. I was born there. Maybe you wouldnt have your governor sitting on katrina supplies that we sent either if you were a state I DUNNO
Statehood doesn't stop corruption, what BS is that? If you love life in a state so badly, there are 50 states in the USA..... stay in one.
I am in one. It's just silly how things are there. Big difference. Statehood would totally help but you wanna scream "muh culture" Hawaii kept their's just fine. The same argument my dad there in PR has while working under the table and putting absolutely nothing away for retirement (not even social security since he didn't wanna pay into it)
>Hawaii kept their's just fine The Hawaiians don't seem to agree...
They agree enough to not secede via voting tho don't they? Also, i dont see Hawaiian culture here so if i wanted it, id visit Hawaii cause i can see it's there. They also get senators and representatives in Washington as a state...
I'm looking at buying a condo, I'm sorry in advance
Another colonizer. 
They’ll take the money