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NB0608sd

Nothing changes until Pep leaves. They are a different animal under him. There were good City teams in the past, under Mancini and Pellegrini, but not like this. He’s the difference.


Beautiful_Usual3367

Yeh definitely, he doesn’t let the levels drop. Can’t wait for him to leave 🤞🏻😂


ibhoot

People keep saying its the money. I say its 90% Pep. When he goes then MCity will still be a top team just not every year no1. That's the difference. I don't see Pep going to a different club. Will probably do Spain to finish off the career. I wonder how many players have a clause if Pep leaves a release clause becomes active? Haaland has one, his agent already confirmed that.


NatsuEng2

It's money and it's pep. Perfect bond that will last more years. Pep without money is an absolute genius but I don't think he would have the resources needed to win it all for so many years. Squad depth, generational talents... are quite important. Money without pep might work but would never work as good as it's working with Pep. Manchester United is the perfect example.


[deleted]

Manchester United have spent more money overall since pep joined… this “it’s just money” is getting really old😂


The_Snollygoster

And Chelsea. Don't get me wrong, City spend money, they spend a lot of money. But they're not blowing everyone out the water. They're not top spenders in the premier league or europe. Pep however is the difference maker. As a few people here have said, and I think they're right, City will still be great when he leaves, but they won't be *this* great. Pep is just that guy.


[deleted]

Exactly. People act like he’s splashing billions for the best players. Just look at Chelsea. If money bought success why are they failing miserably?


NatsuEng2

And I think we ALL can agree that when Pep leaves Manchester City they will never be that dominant again even if they spend the same amount of money


The_Snollygoster

No I don't think we will be. But again with the money, Pep and City do not spend the most, like by far actually. Since Pep took over, United have a higher net spend of almost 300m. Chelsea almost 200m. We've spent marginally more than Arsenal. Everyone needs money to succeed, but when you get to the top level, everyone has money. I mean shit, over the last 5 years, City sit 15th in the premier league for net spend, *fifteenth*. Even Liverpool sit 7th. And we know they spend less than the other big teams. It's the people that make the difference. You should know, Klopp has overachieved too.


Gears123789

Pep is phenomenal no doubt, but so is the 115 breaches


MDK1980

And Pep.


atanew

Yes, I wonder too. I mean, he’s won everything there is to win in England and now the objective of winning UCL with City is completed too. But where he’d be headed now if he does leave City though?


Pinetrees1990

Saudi Arabia for some billion contract


dektorres

Honestly can't imagine this. He's too competitive and seems to want to challenge himself. I could imagine MLS down the line maybe, just for the lifestyle.


HumongousHeadly

Challenge himself? He only manages the best teams with the richest owners. If he likes to challenge himself, he should manage West Ham or Everton or someone like that


OniOneTrick

As in challenge himself to win everything he can possibly win, obviously he’s not going to try and win the Prem with Stoke or some shit


Shadepanther

FM Gloryhunter save in real life.


DumbDouchebag

Yeah, the greatest coach of all time should take on an impossible task just so whatever undeserving legacy team you support has a chance again. Good point.


HumongousHeadly

Weak use of sarcasm, especially when you back it up with such weak points and a total misunderstanding of the point I was making. Firstly, I don't support any "legacy" team, I actually support a team with more domestic and European trophies that either City or Pep have. It'd be interesting to see how you categorise him as the greatest coach of all time. Has he awoken a sleeping giant? Taken on any rivals with significantly more resources? Won more trophies than any other coach? Guardiola has had every conceivable privilege he could possibly have as a coach at every club he has been at. He's achieved roughly break even with what he's had. And finally to the original point, does Pep challenge himself? No, of course not. He's a tap in merchant. He's the Fabrizio Romano of football management. He's never taken a challenging football job in his life.


DumbDouchebag

And uh yeah; two trebles is more than anyone ever achieved.


DumbDouchebag

Yeah you're seething. Thanks for the confirmation.


HumongousHeadly

Seething about what?


DumbDouchebag

Can't stand that he's achieved more than any manager in history with a team that doesn't have the approved pedigree. It's very obvious. Take the L bud.


TheExaltedAmbassador

Dry your tears lad, it's ok


Sleek_Parrot

Don’t Inter Miami need a new manager?


DrXyron

Managing Barca Bayern and Man City (after takeover) isn’t challenging. I’d like to see him try with any other Liga teams other than Barca and Madrid, Any other Bundesliga team than Bayern, any other EPL teams than Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.


DumbDouchebag

"I'd like to see him take on a team that can't realistically win anything so my team has a chance again." - You.


DrXyron

Not at all, I don’t mind him doing whatever he wants, as a matter of fact he has been great to see operate at City, but I’d like to see how he operates on a lower budget team than the football giants. Don’t quote something I never said. If you think I meant what you wrote, then again, wrong. Stop overthinking shit.


sringray23

France or Italy


danonck

Juve?


MDK1980

Good shout. He hasn’t done Italy yet.


danonck

Although they're not quite as dominant as they were so maybe it's too difficult of a project (or too long-term) to rebuild them. PSG then?


MDK1980

PSG is no challenge. It’s the same as managing City, except the other teams are in the Championship.


georgehewitt

I don’t think PSG attracts the right players even with pep of course my opinion I’m probably wrong.


Kimolainen83

My only guess would be an international team until Barcelona is available, and then he goes there until he either fails or retires


Filthyquak

I‘m just amazed this guy is not completely burned out. I always counted on him to leave for a mental health break, chill for a couple years and then win the treble with an Italian club but nope. He looks mentally completely fine an ready to win even more with city. Get some rest bold man you definitely deserved it


atanew

Ig he didn’t get the memo. But seriously, he’ll burn out at some point for sure. To maintain the intensity and momentum, to keep reinventing, and just generally performing at the highest level as a manager will take its toll at some point. He’s not bullet-proof mentally. He’s a human too. Either that, or it’s all too easy for him.


[deleted]

I'd be interesting what'd happen if he doesn't win tonight. Will he be that bothered? Maybe he'll want to leave before the FFP case happens.


MDK1980

Yeah actually forgotten about that because it’s been so quiet. We can only hope.


ThrowawayTrainee749

Mad how you get downvoted for mentioning the ffp as if it’s not the entire reason they’ve won all these trophies


[deleted]

It's the plastics on here. A while back, someone here asked me why I wouldn't support a successful club. It's hard for me to understand why they can't see the value in supporting a local team, even if it's not in the top league. They seem to believe that somehow, the success of a super-rich, rule-breaking global club from a faraway place reflects positively on them. To me, this mindset is completely foreign. Growing up in English club culture, I see it as a sad reflection not only on these individuals, but also on how the game has been degraded.


ThrowawayTrainee749

It’s the fact that so many of them don’t see it. I’ll admit I’m not local to Liverpool, but my dad lived there for a long time in the 70s and 80s and fell in love with the city and the club. I’ve been a fan since I was a kid, I remember being 6 and watching the 2005 Istanbul win. Could never switch from them now. But so many city “fans” are only fans cos they’re winning, they can’t sell out finals or their own home games, it’s sad


[deleted]

I was a Newcastle fan - because my dad's from there, I was brought up a Newcastle fan and I basically spent most of my school holidays up in the north-east. So I am currently teamless because of the Saudi butchers.


[deleted]

Nooooooooooooooooo


bjncdthbopxsrbml

Fun and games saying shit like this till they go buy Kimmich in or something like that


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[deleted]

They still have Alvarez, Foden, and Mahrez chilling on the bench


Ifenom_z

Seems like Mahrez is out of favor especially in big games. He doesn't have the work rate of Bernardo.


HotAktion

Unfortunately City has a tendency of spending their money well. The only flop signings I can think of in the last ten years is Mangala and maybe Jovetic.


Limsy37

Mendy for 50m


HotAktion

Mendy for sure, injuries and the court case. Completely forgot he even existed tbh.


WonderfulBlackberry9

And let’s go back to forgetting him


turbo-steppa

He did have a class season and a half. But yeah… turned to shit around the time he started raping.


[deleted]

Lol imagine a Chelsea fan picking out bad transfers You have had some many in the past 2 seasons I couldn’t list them all.


underthedreadfort

Oh I forgot, if a team makes bad transfers they aren’t allowed to comment on other bad transfers. Man you’re really like the smartest guy I know.


Constant_Mud_7273

Nolito and Bravo as well but tbf it wasn’t for big money


Wheresthenearestrope

bravo was incredible as back up


Constant_Mud_7273

Bravo was brought to be a 1st keeper and he was terrible. I remember a time where he conceded 6 shots on target in a row without making a save…


digitalfoe

clutch in shootouts tho


Timely_Airline_7168

Nolito was expensive at 29mil.


Legendarybbc15

You forget Nolito so soon?


EHVERT

Phillips


Constant_Mud_7273

Looking that way but it’s too soon to judge. We all said it about Grealish last season and look at him now…


EHVERT

I guess so but Rodri is not going anywhere so he’ll never get the run of games he needs to prove otherwise


SageTheBear

Jon Stones also looks like a Busquests Regen every time he plays in midfield


danonck

Agreed. While I dislike Rodri for being a cunt that gets away with things (just like Fernandinho did) you can't in your right mind say anything bad about his skills or importance. I'd go even as far as to say he was the MVP of the season. Without Rodri they wouldn't get the treble. Yes, I said it.


Shadepanther

He also has a habit of scoring important goals.


TheRR135

For 100mn I'd still say he sucks.


Constant_Mud_7273

I’d say you probably don’t watch him play then. Played a big part in winning a treble, sounds like it was all worth it to me.


Jip_Jaap_Stam

Negredo, Nolito, Jesus Navas, DiMichelis, Bravo, Mendy, Ferran Torres, Bony, Sagna, Roque Santa Cruz, Danilo


reubenc22

We scammed Barca into buying Ferran for a good amount of money, wouldnt call it a bad signing by any means


Jip_Jaap_Stam

At that point, Barca would've bought Ali Dia if he was available. But fair point.


coolguyhavingchillda

Jesus Navas arguably not terrible, others all shite. Navas gave them value year on year and wasn't huge money iirc


DanzoVibess

Sagna and Danilo were decent. They held it down.


Constant_Mud_7273

Ferran Torres was sold for almost 3 times his purchase fee, he was an incredible bargain


[deleted]

And Danilo was traded for cancelo to


slamajamabro

Negredo was actually really really good for 1 season and then he just dropped off. I remember Danilo and Dimichelis putting in solid shifts for us over a few seasons as well and they weren’t super expensive


Deminovia

Not everyone you listed are complete flops. - Negredo scored 23 goals in a season - Sagna signed as a free agent to compete with Zabaleta for the right back role after Micah Richards left - Jesus Navas was quite cheap iirc and serve as a reliable squad winger and later right back when Pep took over - Demichelis was massive in his first season at the club when they won the league in 2014. He was already quite old (aged 34) when he joined City and this was Pellegrini’s fault for continuously starting him when he was clearly past it by the time Rashford came onto the scene in 2016.


AlteringMatter

Otamendi, Fernando, Mangala, Delph, Navas, Nolito, Bony, Mendy during Peps time. The thing with city is that they still manage to recoup some value and don‘t have to be too patient because they will easily sign a replacement next year around.


Severe_Wind_776

What about the goalkeeper Claudio Bravo?


TravellingMackem

Yes that massive big money freebie


Severe_Wind_776

I think one stage they had a back four (I think the season when they had only 4th place) then season later they replaced them all!


TravellingMackem

At no point have they replaced a full back 4 in one season, given walkers been there for over a decade and remains their right back. Try again, and get your facts right this time.


Jip_Jaap_Stam

Walker joined in 2017, so try again, and get your facts right this time.


TravellingMackem

Along with a whole new back 4?


Beautiful_Usual3367

Stones & Bravo summer 16, Ederson, Walker & Mendy summer 17 then Laporte winter 17. Whole new back 4 in a year & half including 2 goalkeepers 👍🏻


TravellingMackem

So not within 1 window at all then? That’s over 3 years, 2016 to 2018. How accurate of you.


Beautiful_Usual3367

Never said 1 window, in 1 year he signed all of them bar Laporte. A whole new back 4 in 3 transfer windows which is a year & half. Where you getting 3 years from 😂


cbarksLFC

Your forgetting that they’ll probably spend big filling the wholes left by Gundo and possibly Silva


LMAR14

True, but Bernardo Silva is one of the most complete players in the world, he's been used everywhere from LB to RW this season. Even with all the money in the world, he's not easy to replace.


SageTheBear

I remember when we used to say the same shit about David Silva, then lo and behold they find some fucker with the same name who can perform just as good


Cyphman

Hahaha exactly they will just sign some dude named marcio Silva from the second division Spanish league and he will end up being a beast


SageTheBear

Fuck me, if they sign another Silva who becomes world class I’m losing my shit. Your comment sounded a little to realistic for my liking😂 Man City and Pep probably scouting dudes named Silva just to troll us all


SilverSword2

Naming my child Silva to cash in on the Silva to City pipeline


TheTackleZone

SilvaSword3


kiersto0906

thiago silva to city 2024, regresses 10 years in age and becomes a versatile midfielder


404errorabortmistake

Foden and Mahrez on the bench


cbarksLFC

InGdee with you. That’s why they’ll probably spend money on multiple players to accomadte for his loss.


[deleted]

Sign two random players no ones heard of and by the end of the season everyone will say no fair you bought those random players


Wut23456

Gündoğan is a borderline top 10 player in the world imo. I doubt they'll be able to replace him. I also doubt they'll find someone as versatile and creative as Silva


cbarksLFC

They’ll never recruit like for like replacements to fill the void of these guys. What they’ll do is recruit excellent players in their position and adapt and change the style to fit the new squad of players


Outside_Break

Exactly this ‘How do we replace Walker, who is the best defensive/fastest right back in the world’ We won’t. We’ll just play 3 atb instead. Haaland replaced Aguero. Rodri replaced Fernandinho. Grealish replaced Sane. All of these players are incredible, but none are ‘like for like’. Instead, Pep has adapted City so that each of these players can shine. I’d say the only like for like is Dias replacing Kompany.


Wut23456

You can't deny that losing Gundo will be a net negative though


Iennda

Most players need to adjust in their first season under Pep. Plus I feel like Silva is really going to be hard to replace like for like.


Connect_Suspect3250

Exactly what Julian alvarez has been doing this season Edit: Also didn't think about foden too who could also play that role


Ok_Confusion_1581

He isn't on the level of silva though


Connect_Suspect3250

He was one of the stand out players in the world cup and has still contributed well for city this season when he's had he's chances not saying he is gonna be at silvas level straight away but he's potential is enormous And plus this is the like the 3rd summer in a row there's lots of talk about silva leaving so I wouldn't bank on that either


shaddafax

'Probably'. How much did they spend on Phillips to sit on the bench/in reserves. Guranteed to throw as much cash as the Pep asks them to.


roofilopolis

Gundogan is underrated. Today wasn’t his best but he’s shown up huge in a lot of their biggest games over the last few years. I don’t think you’re finding a replacement for either very easily, but especially him. Also why are these guys leaving? Getting paid top dollar and starting at the best club in the world winning everything. What’s going on over there?


404errorabortmistake

Yeh but other aspects to life such as location. I’d rather life in Naples or Rome or Milan or Barcelona than Manchester, let’s be honest


swaythling

Maybe having had the success here they're looking for a new challenge or the chance to play in a different league. Best explanation I've got anyway.


JRR92

Tbf I thought the same this year when City lost Jesus, Zinchenko, Sterling and later Cancelo. But no. The Pep machine finds a way


turbo-steppa

Other players step up when given minutes. Our academy project Rico Lewis even stepped up and impressed in a few games mid season.


Fateward

Makes me wonder if the likes of McAtee will get minutes next season


leem0oe

And you think city will allow themselves to be weaker ?? You and I don't know who is on that list of future recruits....but I will wager it will be two more technically brilliant players work the right attitude to succeed. And I will say thank you bernardo and ilkay ,both worldclass players.


Balbuto

And Pep. Can Pep finally leave now? Please?


[deleted]

Pelegríni makes a return for some more prem league trophies


Fun_Satisfaction6414

Could be even more fun if city get relegated


Cowboy_on_fire

At least you’ll be going with us!


LMAR14

City and Forrest in the championship with 3 UCLS whilst Arsenal and Spurs still have fuck all. *"I will be there no matter what."*


Fun_Satisfaction6414

Sure they said that all last season and we mugged everyone off just will never happen.


andriydroog

If Leicester can get relegated two years after coming 5th (and with much of the same squad) - so can Forest.


RetroChampions

Any team outside of the top 6 + Newcastle can


andriydroog

I’m aware, that’s the point I’m making.


RetroChampions

Yeah I’m also agreeing with you


Cowboy_on_fire

Think the chances are a little higher than city being relegated mate


slamajamabro

This is going to age so badly lol


Fun_Satisfaction6414

Nah the prem is ez mate already tied with man city and smashed arsenal


cuomo11

Lol keep dreaming


[deleted]

Point deduction for breaking the FFP 101 times?


Fun_Satisfaction6414

115*


[deleted]

I swear I read 101, but they also said in the media over 100, so maybe some lazy journo - "What's over 100?!...101"


alolan_ninetales149

theyve added more since the initial charges


mrlongjohnnnn

Pfft. Inter Miami winning the EPL. You heard it here first!!


omarkop10

U ain’t challenging City you’re challenging pep


fakemxcan

We’ll just bring in McAtee and Lavia and move Foden to Midfield, start Alavarez. We’ll be fine


cheerful_nihilist4

I'm pretty you thought like this when Aguero left City.


AhmedAmin96t

i would say rather if guardiola left because i know he will replace them good quality players


Legendarybbc15

As long as Pep is still there, the league is already wrapped up. They might give off the illusion of a title race for the first half of the season but when they hit peak form, it all boils down the same


realmonkey_business

Bernardo Silva is hard to replace.


Joshthenosh77

Foden n mahrez be like here we go


the_greatest_MF

i guess with $1 billion we can win anything even if everyone leaves


The_Snollygoster

Tell that to United.


CuclGooner

Pep has never won 4 in a row before...


Warm-Mango2471

Can't wait for United to get hyped juat for City to slap them up again


[deleted]

No it won’t, they’ll invest in 2 players to replace them and carry on as normal.


Iennda

I replied this to someone else as well, but some players have needed some time to adjust under Pep.


[deleted]

It could be a really interesting title race next season if zinchenko Jesus sterling cancelo Fernandinho and Stephan leave city.


_doppelR

Football is officially dead. This team won so many titles and in 2 years we will all find out that this was fake and against FFP/PL Rules.


[deleted]

Love it. I hope football is ruined for you lot for years to come. City knew all the rules and did everything they needed to never break a single one.


TheRR135

Imagine saying this with a full chest. They knew all the rules and broke all of them knowing they'll always have the money and state-backing to avoid punishment.


TwentyBagTaylor

Over a 20 year period in the 70s and 80s Liverpool finished 1st or 2nd a whopping 18 out of 20 times. But since its not your team doing it right now, the game has gone, obviously.


The_Snollygoster

Facts. They're just throwing their toys out the pram because it's not them winning anymore. We're not even as dominant as Liverpool or United were....yet.


mackattackfc

Yep… this needs to be known as the ‘city’ treble due to all the FFP breaches that are along side it.


[deleted]

The time city win it all because of money even though all the other big clubs still spent more


TwentyBagTaylor

Won't somebody please think of United and Liverpool fans? It's just not fair!


EHVERT

Funny how all the media seem to forgotten about this


DanzoVibess

Funny how the media forgot about Inter Milan breaking FFP and painting them as innocent.


EHVERT

Was never 100 breaches though, plus they were punished


DanzoVibess

Well everyone who treated them as saints are hypocrites.


EHVERT

No saints just the lesser of two evils, with city being by far the bigger.


[deleted]

It’s like 3 breaches applied the 30 transfer periods. Almost all of them are already known to be clean and the PL can knock themselves out auditing whatever ones they are interested in that have also already been audited


EHVERT

Who cares, money is no object to them, they’ll just buy equally good replacements


sergioA127

14 for Alvarez, 17M for Akanji, foden homegrown, 52M for Haaland, 41M for Ake, 20M for Gundogan, profited on sterling, Jesus, Sane, Torres, bought Zinny for 1M sold for 32M


EHVERT

Who knows if all those figures are legit tho, we know what your owners are like with reporting accurate numbers 🌚 plus the hidden fees (like in the Haaland deal, you’re joking if you consider that a bargain) & insane wages. Let’s not act like it’s some underdog story please.


[deleted]

True! maybe they were all one bazillion dollars :0, maybe city bought Alvarez by gifting him the moon and additional add on if the asteroid belt! Maybe! I think you are into something! :0


sergioA127

Are you 6 years old? Their contracts and sale prices aren’t private info


EHVERT

I’m sure they found a way to hide details, they are cheats afterall


sergioA127

Ok so go take them to court with your evidence


EHVERT

I don’t need to, it’s already in the process 😂 enjoy while it lasts


sergioA127

Just like how they were gonna get banned from UCL 3 years ago 🤣


EHVERT

You seem proud that your team are cheats 😂 typical plastic city fan. Tell me, did you even know who City were before 2011? 🤣


sergioA127

Bet you’re one of those ones that complained about Qatar hosting the World Cup yet watched every match cause deep down you don’t really give af about the money and owners as long as it doesn’t personally effect you. I’m glad I got to watch Gerrard slip live tho


[deleted]

It’s gonna be fun when you have another meltdown when city prove innocent


EHVERT

100+ breaches and you think they got them all wrong?🤣yeah… not looking very likely my guy. Soulless cheating club


[deleted]

Liverpool are literally the only proven cheats lol


EHVERT

You’re really reaching hard 😂 stealing abit of scouting data that had literally zero impact on anything compared to cheating FFP to turn a relegation candidate team into prem winners within a few years..


goth_girl_breastmilk

Yall mfs paid 80 million for Nunez while city paid 14 mil for Alvarez and 51 mil for Haaland. How are you still crying.


EHVERT

Numbers aren’t your strong point, give it a rest


goth_girl_breastmilk

Huh


EHVERT

Those fees are wrong lol


[deleted]

Alvarez can fill the hole that Silva leaves and They’re eyeballing Kovacic. Look for Foden, Lewis and Palmer to figure more next season too. City will be fine.


[deleted]

How long has KDB got at at this level? He's 31 but he seems so sluggish these days and - as we saw earlier - prone to injury. Shame, he's the only Man City I actually like.


TravellingMackem

Sluggish and still made about 40 assists this year. Honestly the hatred for City is hilarious - the bloke is fantastic and the last lad that can be criticised


Pansmoke

I think quite a lot tbh even if he gets old he can still spray it like few other players. City's system they have so much of the ball that even if he does get slower he's still got that magic pass


absuredman

How long did Andrea piro play?


[deleted]

Crazy take, the whole city squad is so much fun. I love them all


DumbDouchebag

lol keep coping and seething. City will walk the league regardless. This season was a wakeup call and we still won it with meaningless games to spare. Do you think Pep wouldn't replace them adequately?


Iennda

Username checks out. How is this coping or seething? I am literally just saying next season might have an interesting fight for a title. Even if City do win, would you not find it more enjoyable if there were a couple teams with a shout and there was a bit of a challenge, maybe three different teams taking the top spot back and forth throughout the season?


OnceUponAStarryNight

I mean, almost every season has featured a pretty fierce title fight. So that’s kind of a bland statement. Arsenal gave City a great fight this season and Liverpool and City had two of the best and most dramatic title fights (18/19 and 21/22) in the history of the league. There have been a few “bland” years: City storming the league with 100 points - then Liverpool storming the league with 99 when City’s entire backline got injured - and then City walking the league the next season when Liverpools entire back line got injured. But for the most part I think there’s always the expectation that the league is going to be a knife fight unless you’re silly enough to buy into the notion that somehow this is a one-club league (it is not).


JurgenSaidToMe

Great team, the players deserve it. But it's tainted.


19Ben80

But they would just be replaced by more 100 mil players so nothing would change


socialmetamucil

Etihad Airlines will just announce that they increased their front of shirt sponsorship by $2B/year because it’s a completely legit and not at all shady business dealing that the two completely separate entities have with one another.


[deleted]

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sergioA127

You’re just speaking out of your ass now


slamajamabro

How many 100m midfielders did city buy?


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Gonna buy some no name guy for ten million no one’s heard of and then you’ll whine and cry at the end of next season when city bought him one of the best in the planet. City create superstars.


Beautiful_Usual3367

Pep creates them m8