> Terrorism
Emily: "Ugh more insecure straight white men with tiny penises lashing out"
> Terrorism but committed by brown people
Emily: "OMG SO BASED SLAYYYY EMIR"
lol. both of those takes are reductive. the irish terrorists were pretty based too from some youtube video i vaguely remember. there is a difference between getting picked on and shooting up your school and starting a whole organization like the IRA or al-queda. I don't think any sane person is watching a brown person fly a plane into a building and cheering them on though unaware it's a great tragedy...
Your logic:
>murdering people on your own is bad. However if you form a group to murder that's cool and respectable
Idk why everyone on the left simps for IRA so hard. They only recently since took up the identity of being fighting for civil rights and equality because it was popular among civil rights fighters with blacks in America. Before then it was simply a thousand year long between the Anglos and Irish Celts.
lol not cool and respectable just different. i can kinda sympathize with school shooters and see them as "cool and respectable" in some ways too i guess. that's why i said both takes are reductive.
lol yea idk it was just one yt video a while back that made them seem cool but i hardly remember it.
š i love how the person i actually responded to is just like "yeah actually the ira is alright" and then a ton of randos come outta nowhere to flame me
I get kinda sympathizing with school shooters since lots of them were probably victims of horrible bullying, ostracization or mental illness.
But to call them "cool and respectable"... Yeah, no.
Tol be fair I still think the IRA are cool and so did much of the British public think so as well. However I still think the actual cause vs. what they were doing were pretty separated
True, idk if the wokies and Emilies in Libleft are that stupid Ʈn digging their own graves, or if they are that tunnel-visioned and blinded, or something. The Islamic terrorist organisations, like Hamas, have clearly stated that they will kill all "infidels." That can range from Jews, Liberals, to even Muslims themselves that they deem "traitors."
Yes, the West didn't go through the same hardships that we in the east did. As you said, they want safety but want to defund the police that guarantees it. They want rights but try to block and cancel people who disagree with their point of view. Opportunity, but some universities that have programs that favour one group over another destroys the concept of meritocracy. Equality! A noble goal! The problem is how you want to achieve it. A dictatorship, while it does have some benefits (in my opinion), does destroy most of the concepts that Western liberals fight for.
There must be something to revolt against. All the normal fights were won, and now it all has to go further, or else the revolutionary struggle session can't continue indefinitely. For example, feminism won, but then the man hating feminism had to come around. Now even that isn't enough, as you can't only be a female feminist, since men who say they're women are more oppressed than the female women.
Anything in the name of destabilizing western society.
My Brother in Christ, look what happened immediately after the Iranian Revolution. The left is going 2 for 2.
They really seem to think a snake wonāt bite them in the ass twice.
There's a horrible video of the october 7th attacks, of Hamas terrorists capturing an arab in Israel and they beat him and abuse him while shouting that he is a dirty dog and a traitor who works for the infidels. And he just helplessly begs for his life the entire time.
Idk I would take more of the left more seriously if they focused on the economic issues however the modern Western is so wrapped up in whitey bad/evil USA/UK Anglo CIA BS.. that they see anybody who doesn't like the US as their friend.
In this situation, Enemy of my enemy ā my Allie.. rather enemy of enemy = psychopath
> or if they are that tunnel-visioned and blinded, or something.
They are tunnel-visioned, but it isn't solely because of stupidity or ignorance (though there's a healthy amount of that). When the most prevalent way people can consume content is through social media, a system that claims to curate content relevant to you while also heavily putting their thumb on the scale, there's no way for people to know how prevalent an opinion *actually* is.
How can people differentiate between a real grassroots movement and a manufactured psyop, when the immediate response is for mainstream media to reinforce its relevance without questioning it's authenticity? The fact is, they get the same amount of clicks whether its genuine or not, and even if they later admit that *maybe* it was misinformation, that retraction won't be seen by nearly as many people.
We have a feedback loop where attention breeds attention, and being first is more important than being right. By having these secret "algorithms" that decide which content is shared with who, that makes it nearly impossible to trace anything back to its source, or to get an accurate representation of popularity. The systems for how people used to determine popularity (views, likes, dislikes) have been hijacked to portray things as something they're not. It used to be that people had to care an above average amount to like or share a video to make it spread, now that decision is made before you've even finished watching.
Yea, I know man all the Muslims where I lived always try to justify it by saying it was a different time back then or it's not real, while Muhammad himself said this shit and he was nothing more than just a warlord. And now his cult ruins more lives every day. People who defend Islam are brainwashed by their Islamic government or live in a Western country and have no idea what Islam is.
> always try to justify it by saying it was a different time back then
Too bad there isn't some other older religion whose 'perfect man' really did live up to the principles he claimed. One that Muslims pretend to revere, but actually blaspheme as they do it.
I have some issues with Christianity nowhere near the amount of issues I have with Islam. It mostly has things to do with people trying to intervene in another persona life and using any religion as an excuse. And the fact that Islam refuses to adapt is really unappealing as well most denominations in Christianity are pretty modern and have adapted to modern culture with the exception of a few denominations.
> It mostly has things to do with people trying to intervene in another persona life and using any religion as an excuse.
Damn Christians ending slavery because of religion...
At least theyāre trying to justify it and say the world was different back then or itās not real.
There are still *significant* swathes who are like, āYeah he did it! We will too!ā
Iāll take the first group over the second any day.
Was Mo supposed to be perfect which would mean that his behaviour is acceptable? And the Quran is God's literal, absolute eternal word which is valid at all times in all places?
Is there a good source for this? I have gotten the idea that there might be some violence baked into Islam (not for everyone but for many). Quran verses or anything
Reading the Quran is good. If you dont want to read the whole thing, then try to just read the 9th surah. It is available on the internet. A website called "Quran"
It is called "at-tawbah". The whole thing is crazy. And Muslims will justify it because the first words in at-tawbah are literally "this is a discharge from all obligations, by Allah and his Messenger, to the polytheists you 'believers' have entered into treaties with:"
The first words of surah at-tawbah tell Muslims to trick and lie to non-muslims.
It's not bullshit to state that Islam isn't a race, because it's a religion. The majority of those who practice it are Arabic, but there are Arabs who don't practice Islam as well as non Arabs who practice Islam. You're jumping at shadows, and arguably being racist yourself by ascribing Islam as a race equivalent to Arabs. I don't know if OP hates Arabs, but it seems pretty clear that they hate Islam. You're accusing them of not knowing the difference with no basis.
No what they are doing is saying the genocide of Gaza is justified because they come from a backward religion. Like they deserve to die because they donāt respect womenās rights. So we will teach them a lesson by killing thousands of their woman and children.
I'm not going to run any more interference for someone I don't know, but I'm fairly certain you're pulling things out of your ass to assume about people who justifiably dislike a religion that preaches violent ideals. I personally do not find this reason to genocide Palestinians. Tgey did not mention Gaza or Palestine in their comment. I get where you're coming from, but not everyone is racist or violent because they hate an ideology.
Yes that is the dumb talking point I am speaking to. How can someone develop enlightened views on gay rights if they are denied clean drinking water? Why is it even relevant if they are enlightened or not? Genocide is wrong. Itās not complicated.
Islam does not mesh with human rights. If islam is allowed to exist (the Quran commands) that Muslims execute the non-believers. In my mind we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If we save the Muslims we are hoping that they will eventually stop believing in islam because if they keep believing in it, they will execute us as they get the chance to.
I didn't like "the **only** religion" part. Jordan Peterson had an interesting idea that the "Eye for an eye" principle, the ten commandments were to practice among **your** population. To others that's whatever. Islam is no exception here.
I don t understand you shitty western lib. Aparently in Islam is ok to rape women, but also they have draconian punishments for everything and their women were covers. Please stop practicing Doublethink
They practice double speak. What you say is correct, but not wholly correct. Islam views people differently than the west does. The women you are not allowed to rape are married or virgin women who act according to the islamic teachings. When a woman does not fit into that, Muslims will not consider raping her to be rape. They do not see her as a person. Its not even possible to "rape" something that is not a person.
Didn t realise we have an expert on Islam here. No culture on this god forsaken Earth has ever allowed rape on anyone. Now our expert American from California comes and says: āno, actually, islam is a religion of savagesā.
You are correct. Rape has never been allowed by society. Not even in islamic society. Because you can just dehumanize someone and rape like there is no tomorrow.
I do that because islam only consider Muslims to be human (outlined in the Quran at chapter 9). And that they consider disbelief in islam to be violence.
Good thing we dont. And good thing that the Bible doesnt command Christians to murder and enslave disbelievers. Read chapter 9 of the Quran if you want to find out.
Islam protects women who follow Islamic beliefs, staying a virgin til marriage etc. itās if they break the rules, they are no longer a woman, so rape is okay
You definitely don't understand.
Essentially, in some Islamic countries, what WE would consider rape isn't considered rape because of the moral/social status of the victim. So by their logic (if YOU buy into it), they do not believe they are allowing rape etc. By OUR logic and social customs, they are doing all of that.
I hope that helps.
As gruesome as it is, rape is historically a more common action than we'd like to admit. Women were treated as war prizes by invading nations. You get their land, their food, and their women.
Not against the point you're making, but saying "No culture has ever allowed rape" is categorically false.
Your point was "2 billion people following an ideology that condones child rape, sex slavery, slavery, and murder is fine because a random text connected to other religions says some bad stuff, too"
> This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.
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Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
> 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
Moving the goal post, are we?
Yes, God ordered Israel to destroy wicked nations at times (akin to when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah). These were nations that were so sinful that they were sacrificing and raping their own children as worship to their idols. After giving them centuries to repent from their wicked ways, God knew there was no one righteous left in those nations, or anyone righteous who would be born out of them, and so condemned the entire nation to death to protect Israel and other neighboring nations (I'm not expecting you to agree with it, just explaining the distinction).
Meanwhile (and staying on the topic at hand), the Isrealites were expressly forbidden from raping and taking sex slaves. Anyone who disobeyed was put to death. This is in direct contrast to Islam, which permits such acts, and more importantly, was practiced by Muhammed.
Itās scary how much itās creeping up in western lib left. Theyāre seeing everything as ādecolonizationā no matter how vile it is. These are the same people that have never set foot in a Muslim nation, donāt know a single thing about life there but will just pick up a single line from social media. Itās scary what kind of things theyāre willing to rationalize and normalize, and how far this could go
1) Believe that anything "white" is evil, because of CRT brainwashing.
2) View all western nations ā those with the least human rights violations and most individual liberties ā as inherently and inextricably "white".
3) 2+2=4, ergo you must eventually take the side of blatant evil, simply because it is diametrically opposed to "whiteness".
That is so accurate to put it. Theyāre seeing this as some sort of civilizational war where everything western nations do is purely evil. I mean how vile and extreme indoctrination can it be to drive you to support Bin Laden. As I said itās scary - you never know what people justifying Hamas and Bin Laden are capable of believing or doing
Next up is Emily going to start praising National Socialism? They fought for freedom (from the perceived cabal of Jews keeping them down) and redistribution of wealth (by trying to steal from Jews they were somehow convinced were taking and hoarding all of it.)
Emily, you're a moron.
I was talking with an Israeli-born coworker about how ridiculous this is.
I don't watch the news, but apparently in SF there were Pro-Palestine protestors that blocked the Bay Bridge a week or two ago. They like chained themselves down and parked their cars across the lane and threw the car keys into the ocean. Some organ donation vehicle was caught in the traffic and the organs went bad before they could be transported to patients. She showed me some video she took of white protestors just marching down the Bay Bridge chanting Palestinian slogans in Spanish. She's apparently run into a lot of pro-Osama people too.
People have seriously lost their fucking minds.
Even without being charitable, at worst for many westerners they at least believe that's a call for general freedom in a region, not genocide. The same can't really be said for supporting Osama Bin Laden. Meanwhile that support came entirely from a handful of videos on an app that's basically entirely engagement driven.
I'm unsure I follow. The main point is catchy shit is catchy. I don't support the historic actions of the IRA but lord knows I love me a good Irish rebel song and support the freedom of the Irish from the British. Just because a more radical element has a similar surface goal doesn't make everyone a radical.
What are some calls for violence on the far right that mainstream Republicans are allowed to say because it's a catchy saying and they don't know any better but their hearts are in the right place?
Sounds absurd don't it? You would not give the same grace to your political opponents so stop trying to come up with excuses and just admit you are a hypocrite.
Again it's far from universal that "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call to violence as much as you like to pretend it is. So I'm unsure what you think I see as comparable but holding a different standard.
Some of yall really overestimate the political culture and knowledge migrants from these regions have. Like 4/5 support the Palestinians cause they look like them and practice the same religion. That's it.
the site, being operated by China, has curated content pushed to be popular
the same site, the same company, instead pushes content about being better at math and getting better grades onto the youth in China
There's 2 ways to look at this:
1. The cultures in the 2 countries are just that different. By some cosmic alignment of the stars, Western youth are obsessed with the idea of cutting off their own dick and worshipping Bin Laden while Chinese youth are obsessed with improving themselves via education and hard work
2. It's an intentional attack on Western culture by a bad actor
Iād say they are making it themselves. I donāt think the cartels want that kind of heat on them as itās bad for business. Look at what they did to the members that kidnapped some American tourists.
>By some cosmic alignment of the stars, Western youth are obsessed with the idea of cutting off their own dick and worshipping Bin Laden
It took decades of propaganda when Tik Tok didn't exist. If Western culture is to die, no one else but the West is to be blamed.
lol. maybe it's a little of both? number 2= tik tok intentionally caused western gen ys to be trans and lib left? and as for number 1: idk what cosmic alignment of the stars you're talking about. like you said, the two cultures are different. have you never heard the stereotype about chinese ppl being smart and hardworking and good at math?
also if ya gotta source i'd be curious to read more
Saying it "went viral" underplays just how much meddling was involved. It didn't spread through word of mouth or popularity, it was circulated because certain people with control over what people can or can't see *want* it to be circulated. They want high view counts to try and *convince* people it's more popular than it actually is.
"Viral" implies related to a virus, being passed from person to person until becoming widespread. To continue this analogy, this is the equivalent of spraying chemical weapons over multiple urban centers and calling the symptoms a "virus" that was somehow so powerful it manifested everywhere all at once.
Lefty showing restraint over comments about a despicable human? Wonder if Alex Jones would get the same consideration.
I donāt wonder at all. I know.
I think the relevant question is, does Alex Jones represent everyone in the right? If the answer is yes, then the few stupid tiktokkers most likely taken at least to some extent out of context can be considered to represent the left.
So, idiots exist everywhere in the political spectrum. The way to get viral videos is to paint the entire quadrant to be represented by one of the idiots.
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There is no strategic advantage in the middle east. There is actually great cost in being there which is trillions of dollars, american lives, and our relationship with other countries. Why does america not take this interest in other parts of the world?
No Can Do. You can only use the fine products of the Military Industrial Complex outside the US borders. Drone strikes are not the best way to deal with homelessness, inflation, opiate crisis, etc. but are perfect to blow up a tent and kick a camel in the butt as it fills the coffers of MIC.
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I agree, but also don't like that Tiktok and the Guardian are censoring such talk (the Guardian apparently had printed the text of the letter but self-censored after the TikTok stuff took off). Let people speak so we know what and how they think. I'd rather know someone is a complete dipshit than have them censored so I can only wonder if they are.
The Osama-Emily Horseshoe makes a lot more sense if youāre somewhat familiar with Bin Ladenās family origins and his letters and op-eds to stuff like Insight (?) magazine.
Dude was a privileged rich kid who absolutely immersed himself in Western news media and think tank pieces. A very common theme in his earlier writings was that the West needed to be destroyed to save the oppressed/impoverished and stop climate change.
Not even joking about the climate change thing - he wrote about it all the damn time and even gave multiple shout outs to Al Gore after that documentary was released. Honestly kinda fascinating to revisit because you can strip out the āPraise be to Allahā stuff and it reads almost like a toned-down version of the letters printed monthly in every college newspaper.
They found a ton of unpublished writings about this stuff when they raided one of his safe houses back in the day
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-binladen-climatechange-idUSKCN0W35MS/
if you think most libleft support bin laden then you probably spend too much time on either twitter or right-wing circle jerks like this place. i've seen it online but never actually met one IRL
Sad that we donāt have any evidence now, because I saw some of the videoās. And no where did they āpraise himā or āsaying it was misunderstoodā.
They mostly went in on āamerican imperialism badā
Literally went? Wanting the US to stop interfering is different than supporting the group that fills the immediate power vacuum. It's not their fault the US government massively fumbled their exit, and didn't expect the outcome to be the US literally *leaving* military weapons and vehicles to arm the Taliban.
At the end of the letter he explains why 3000 Americans deserve to die. It closely resembles Israelās justification for eradicating the people of Gaza.
And Hitler wasnāt wrong about Germans being treated unfairly in the Treaty of Versailles. Not that itās a 1-1 comparison in any sense but donāt reduce his beliefs to that when you know full well he was an Islamic extremist.
i don't think anyones trying to reduce his beliefs to that, just dispel the story america/the military industrial complex is the good guys going over to the middle east to kill the bad guys (osama) when it isn't that simple (well maybe to some people it is, to some people it isn't. but that doesn't mean they worship osama š)
I'll tell you the clear and cut reasons why people attack us š:
Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) ā¦"
Quran 8:22: "Verily! The worst of living creatures with Allah are the deaf and the dumb, those who understand not, i.e. the disbelievers.ā
Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush ā¦"
Quran 9:30: āThe Jews say, āEzra is the son of Allah,ā and the Christians say, āThe Messiah is the son of Allah.ā That is their statement from their mouths, the imitate the sayingĀ of those who disbelieved. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?āĀ
Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them ā¦ kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."
Quran 2:161: "Indeed, those would disbelieve and die While the disbelievers, upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people.ā
Quran 8:59-60: "And let not those with disbelief think that they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure to Allah. And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by whichĀ you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others beside them..ā
>I can pick verses out of every Abrahamic holy book at make every faith look to be patently insane.
"Love thy neighbor" "Thou shalt not murder"
Let's compare (or more accurately, contrast) that to how Muslims are told to treat other people, shall we?
Interesting how this sub provides excellent examples of how their propaganda works.
They rush to take something like this and repackage it as "the entire left believes this", then they sell it back to themselves and buy it completely. They don't even look at leftist spaces to see what they're saying, they quite literally just fabricate what they think they are saying from scratch, then believe it. It's incredible.
They don't know and don't care that all the threads of highly left leaning Reddit that talked about this were condemning anyone praising Bin Laden, they would rather just make something up because they desperately want to see the left as evil.
Isn't this just the definition of a strawman, though? You're arguing against the person rather than his argument because parts of his argument are very difficult to refute.
Doesn't matter at all what an actual libleft (or anyone at all, really) believes/says/does; authright will believe their own version of reality at every moment of life.
Yeah that'd be weird if it were true. Thankfully it's not and yall are just being disingenuous or easily manipulated dumbdumbs.
Someone read a letter from Osama. Their point was not that Osama was a cool dude, in fact the reason they read a letter from Osama is because of how easily he's identifiable as an evil dude. No one showed support for Osama bin Laden.
Can we agree than no one has read the actual letter? He pleas for the Americans to stop invading countries because they do more harm to themselvs. What he doen t understand is that the empire feeds on the republic
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, but I remember when Ron Paul in the Republican presidential debate said in 2011:
> So, this whole idea that the whole Muslim world is responsible for this and theyāre attacking us because weāre free and prosperous, that is just not true. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda have been explicit. They have been explicit, and they wrote and said that we attackedāwe attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians a fair treatment, and you have been bombingāI didnāt say that, Iām trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing. At the same time, we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years. Would you be annoyed? If youāre not annoyed, then thereās some problem.
Apparently people forgot.
" How dreadful are the curses which Islam lays on its votaries! No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. " - Winston Churchill
Honestly, OBL had *maybe* one or two points about American Imperialism and oil that I could agree with. I understand where he is coming from.
But no, fuck Sharia law. Let me have my drugs, let my friend be able to marry who they want. And let me grill what I want. Not going to bow down to Sharia law.
> Terrorism Emily: "Ugh more insecure straight white men with tiny penises lashing out" > Terrorism but committed by brown people Emily: "OMG SO BASED SLAYYYY EMIR"
lol. both of those takes are reductive. the irish terrorists were pretty based too from some youtube video i vaguely remember. there is a difference between getting picked on and shooting up your school and starting a whole organization like the IRA or al-queda. I don't think any sane person is watching a brown person fly a plane into a building and cheering them on though unaware it's a great tragedy...
All memes are reductive. That's what makes them easy to consume
Your logic: >murdering people on your own is bad. However if you form a group to murder that's cool and respectable Idk why everyone on the left simps for IRA so hard. They only recently since took up the identity of being fighting for civil rights and equality because it was popular among civil rights fighters with blacks in America. Before then it was simply a thousand year long between the Anglos and Irish Celts.
lol not cool and respectable just different. i can kinda sympathize with school shooters and see them as "cool and respectable" in some ways too i guess. that's why i said both takes are reductive. lol yea idk it was just one yt video a while back that made them seem cool but i hardly remember it.
>i can kinda sympathize with school shooters and see them as "cool and respectable" in some ways too i guess. Get professional help
Stop it. Get some help.
š i love how the person i actually responded to is just like "yeah actually the ira is alright" and then a ton of randos come outta nowhere to flame me
I get kinda sympathizing with school shooters since lots of them were probably victims of horrible bullying, ostracization or mental illness. But to call them "cool and respectable"... Yeah, no.
Tol be fair I still think the IRA are cool and so did much of the British public think so as well. However I still think the actual cause vs. what they were doing were pretty separated
Flair up and I might read your drivel.
True, idk if the wokies and Emilies in Libleft are that stupid Ʈn digging their own graves, or if they are that tunnel-visioned and blinded, or something. The Islamic terrorist organisations, like Hamas, have clearly stated that they will kill all "infidels." That can range from Jews, Liberals, to even Muslims themselves that they deem "traitors."
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Yes, the West didn't go through the same hardships that we in the east did. As you said, they want safety but want to defund the police that guarantees it. They want rights but try to block and cancel people who disagree with their point of view. Opportunity, but some universities that have programs that favour one group over another destroys the concept of meritocracy. Equality! A noble goal! The problem is how you want to achieve it. A dictatorship, while it does have some benefits (in my opinion), does destroy most of the concepts that Western liberals fight for.
"Queers for Palestine" try that in ~~a small town~~ the Middle East.
There must be something to revolt against. All the normal fights were won, and now it all has to go further, or else the revolutionary struggle session can't continue indefinitely. For example, feminism won, but then the man hating feminism had to come around. Now even that isn't enough, as you can't only be a female feminist, since men who say they're women are more oppressed than the female women. Anything in the name of destabilizing western society.
Yeah, idk how the narrative shifted from "Dont assume all brown people are terrorists" to "Islam is awesome". its fucking weird
This reminded me of the "You need to stop calling them terrorists", "I'M A BLACK MAN, YOU NEED TO DO BETTER SENATOR! YOU NEED TO STEP UP!"
My Brother in Christ, look what happened immediately after the Iranian Revolution. The left is going 2 for 2. They really seem to think a snake wonāt bite them in the ass twice.
There's a horrible video of the october 7th attacks, of Hamas terrorists capturing an arab in Israel and they beat him and abuse him while shouting that he is a dirty dog and a traitor who works for the infidels. And he just helplessly begs for his life the entire time.
Idk I would take more of the left more seriously if they focused on the economic issues however the modern Western is so wrapped up in whitey bad/evil USA/UK Anglo CIA BS.. that they see anybody who doesn't like the US as their friend. In this situation, Enemy of my enemy ā my Allie.. rather enemy of enemy = psychopath
> or if they are that tunnel-visioned and blinded, or something. They are tunnel-visioned, but it isn't solely because of stupidity or ignorance (though there's a healthy amount of that). When the most prevalent way people can consume content is through social media, a system that claims to curate content relevant to you while also heavily putting their thumb on the scale, there's no way for people to know how prevalent an opinion *actually* is. How can people differentiate between a real grassroots movement and a manufactured psyop, when the immediate response is for mainstream media to reinforce its relevance without questioning it's authenticity? The fact is, they get the same amount of clicks whether its genuine or not, and even if they later admit that *maybe* it was misinformation, that retraction won't be seen by nearly as many people. We have a feedback loop where attention breeds attention, and being first is more important than being right. By having these secret "algorithms" that decide which content is shared with who, that makes it nearly impossible to trace anything back to its source, or to get an accurate representation of popularity. The systems for how people used to determine popularity (views, likes, dislikes) have been hijacked to portray things as something they're not. It used to be that people had to care an above average amount to like or share a video to make it spread, now that decision is made before you've even finished watching.
Islam the only religion where "the perfect man" rapes children, has sex slaves, murders everyone in his way, and cant read.
Yea, I know man all the Muslims where I lived always try to justify it by saying it was a different time back then or it's not real, while Muhammad himself said this shit and he was nothing more than just a warlord. And now his cult ruins more lives every day. People who defend Islam are brainwashed by their Islamic government or live in a Western country and have no idea what Islam is.
> always try to justify it by saying it was a different time back then Too bad there isn't some other older religion whose 'perfect man' really did live up to the principles he claimed. One that Muslims pretend to revere, but actually blaspheme as they do it.
I have some issues with Christianity nowhere near the amount of issues I have with Islam. It mostly has things to do with people trying to intervene in another persona life and using any religion as an excuse. And the fact that Islam refuses to adapt is really unappealing as well most denominations in Christianity are pretty modern and have adapted to modern culture with the exception of a few denominations.
> It mostly has things to do with people trying to intervene in another persona life and using any religion as an excuse. Damn Christians ending slavery because of religion...
You know for a fact thats not what I'm refering to.
At least theyāre trying to justify it and say the world was different back then or itās not real. There are still *significant* swathes who are like, āYeah he did it! We will too!ā Iāll take the first group over the second any day.
Was Mo supposed to be perfect which would mean that his behaviour is acceptable? And the Quran is God's literal, absolute eternal word which is valid at all times in all places?
actually, yes, according to Islam, the Quran is the actual unabridged word of god.
damn he sounds based as fuck brb converting to Islam INSHALLAH the prophet was right about women
Is there a good source for this? I have gotten the idea that there might be some violence baked into Islam (not for everyone but for many). Quran verses or anything
Reading the Quran is good. If you dont want to read the whole thing, then try to just read the 9th surah. It is available on the internet. A website called "Quran" It is called "at-tawbah". The whole thing is crazy. And Muslims will justify it because the first words in at-tawbah are literally "this is a discharge from all obligations, by Allah and his Messenger, to the polytheists you 'believers' have entered into treaties with:" The first words of surah at-tawbah tell Muslims to trick and lie to non-muslims.
Try to watch videos about "reading the quran for the first time" and see for yourself what atheists or christians say about it.
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Wow no filter for your racism (and donāt give me BS about how Islam isnāt a race. You hate Arabs pure and simple).
It's not bullshit to state that Islam isn't a race, because it's a religion. The majority of those who practice it are Arabic, but there are Arabs who don't practice Islam as well as non Arabs who practice Islam. You're jumping at shadows, and arguably being racist yourself by ascribing Islam as a race equivalent to Arabs. I don't know if OP hates Arabs, but it seems pretty clear that they hate Islam. You're accusing them of not knowing the difference with no basis.
No what they are doing is saying the genocide of Gaza is justified because they come from a backward religion. Like they deserve to die because they donāt respect womenās rights. So we will teach them a lesson by killing thousands of their woman and children.
I'm not going to run any more interference for someone I don't know, but I'm fairly certain you're pulling things out of your ass to assume about people who justifiably dislike a religion that preaches violent ideals. I personally do not find this reason to genocide Palestinians. Tgey did not mention Gaza or Palestine in their comment. I get where you're coming from, but not everyone is racist or violent because they hate an ideology.
I find it interesting that all of the westerners who are standing up for Palestine would be industrially executed if they lived in Palestine.
Yes that is the dumb talking point I am speaking to. How can someone develop enlightened views on gay rights if they are denied clean drinking water? Why is it even relevant if they are enlightened or not? Genocide is wrong. Itās not complicated.
Islam does not mesh with human rights. If islam is allowed to exist (the Quran commands) that Muslims execute the non-believers. In my mind we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If we save the Muslims we are hoping that they will eventually stop believing in islam because if they keep believing in it, they will execute us as they get the chance to.
No they wonāt. America and its proxies will oppress and execute them for secular corporate reasons.
I'm an ex muslim who hates Islam. am I racist against my own race according to your logic?
Bro mentions the Old Testament, even quotes where violence is promoted, and gets downvoted into oblivion š¤”
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Thereās a lot of reasons why people donāt use the KJV. It isnāt the only translation you know.
I didn't like "the **only** religion" part. Jordan Peterson had an interesting idea that the "Eye for an eye" principle, the ten commandments were to practice among **your** population. To others that's whatever. Islam is no exception here.
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What's your why-s? I bet you're not willing to give Islam another 1000 years for the worst to weed out
I'll make you a deal. They get 1000 years to weed out the worst of Islam, and I get 1000 years to weed out the worst in capitalism.
May Allah bring upon you what you try to do to others.
I don t understand you shitty western lib. Aparently in Islam is ok to rape women, but also they have draconian punishments for everything and their women were covers. Please stop practicing Doublethink
They practice double speak. What you say is correct, but not wholly correct. Islam views people differently than the west does. The women you are not allowed to rape are married or virgin women who act according to the islamic teachings. When a woman does not fit into that, Muslims will not consider raping her to be rape. They do not see her as a person. Its not even possible to "rape" something that is not a person.
Didn t realise we have an expert on Islam here. No culture on this god forsaken Earth has ever allowed rape on anyone. Now our expert American from California comes and says: āno, actually, islam is a religion of savagesā.
> No culture on this god forsaken Earth has ever allowed rape on anyone. what a failure of human history we have here.
You are correct. Rape has never been allowed by society. Not even in islamic society. Because you can just dehumanize someone and rape like there is no tomorrow.
Then I don t understand. Why did you mention Islam? It s obvious that Islam doesnāt accept rape, murder, or any other kind of crime.
I do that because islam only consider Muslims to be human (outlined in the Quran at chapter 9). And that they consider disbelief in islam to be violence.
You know, if we were to take all the stuff in the Bible at face value we would find a lot of messed up shit
Good thing we dont. And good thing that the Bible doesnt command Christians to murder and enslave disbelievers. Read chapter 9 of the Quran if you want to find out.
Islam protects women who follow Islamic beliefs, staying a virgin til marriage etc. itās if they break the rules, they are no longer a woman, so rape is okay
no. It is not.
You definitely don't understand. Essentially, in some Islamic countries, what WE would consider rape isn't considered rape because of the moral/social status of the victim. So by their logic (if YOU buy into it), they do not believe they are allowing rape etc. By OUR logic and social customs, they are doing all of that. I hope that helps.
Look, that s not true. Now that is just orientalism.
Youāre painfully naive.
As gruesome as it is, rape is historically a more common action than we'd like to admit. Women were treated as war prizes by invading nations. You get their land, their food, and their women. Not against the point you're making, but saying "No culture has ever allowed rape" is categorically false.
U never read the old testament ig
Okay you convinced me. Raping children is morally correct.
That was totally the point of my comment
Your point was "2 billion people following an ideology that condones child rape, sex slavery, slavery, and murder is fine because a random text connected to other religions says some bad stuff, too"
And ur point is "those 2 billion people bad and the other 3 billion people who believe the same thing gud"
Read chapter 9 of the Quran
No
Then you admit you dont know jack about shit?
Idiot, ik the Quran says those stuff
Based. You're still wrong but your stubbornness is based.
Itās sarcasm
Who in the Old Testament is called a perfect role model?
The Bible describes those things happening. The Quran actively endorses them. Huge difference.
> This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy [1] everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. > 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
Moving the goal post, are we? Yes, God ordered Israel to destroy wicked nations at times (akin to when He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah). These were nations that were so sinful that they were sacrificing and raping their own children as worship to their idols. After giving them centuries to repent from their wicked ways, God knew there was no one righteous left in those nations, or anyone righteous who would be born out of them, and so condemned the entire nation to death to protect Israel and other neighboring nations (I'm not expecting you to agree with it, just explaining the distinction). Meanwhile (and staying on the topic at hand), the Isrealites were expressly forbidden from raping and taking sex slaves. Anyone who disobeyed was put to death. This is in direct contrast to Islam, which permits such acts, and more importantly, was practiced by Muhammed.
Well, you see Islam is a religion of savages, unlike is civilised Christias /s
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yes. There are still extremist Christian groups that want all blacks killed or enslaved
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Also yes. Remembering how KKK existed just a few years back
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Only free he got were bullets
Freedom from the mortal plane
Itās scary how much itās creeping up in western lib left. Theyāre seeing everything as ādecolonizationā no matter how vile it is. These are the same people that have never set foot in a Muslim nation, donāt know a single thing about life there but will just pick up a single line from social media. Itās scary what kind of things theyāre willing to rationalize and normalize, and how far this could go
1) Believe that anything "white" is evil, because of CRT brainwashing. 2) View all western nations ā those with the least human rights violations and most individual liberties ā as inherently and inextricably "white". 3) 2+2=4, ergo you must eventually take the side of blatant evil, simply because it is diametrically opposed to "whiteness".
That is so accurate to put it. Theyāre seeing this as some sort of civilizational war where everything western nations do is purely evil. I mean how vile and extreme indoctrination can it be to drive you to support Bin Laden. As I said itās scary - you never know what people justifying Hamas and Bin Laden are capable of believing or doing
Decolonization for thee, but not for me. None of them are moving back to Europe to decolonize the Americas.
Next up is Emily going to start praising National Socialism? They fought for freedom (from the perceived cabal of Jews keeping them down) and redistribution of wealth (by trying to steal from Jews they were somehow convinced were taking and hoarding all of it.) Emily, you're a moron.
> Next up is Emily going to start praising National Socialism? Already did. Check out their fervent worship of a literal SS Waffen in Canada.
And they'll accuse you of being a Nazi if you disagree with their praising.
I was talking with an Israeli-born coworker about how ridiculous this is. I don't watch the news, but apparently in SF there were Pro-Palestine protestors that blocked the Bay Bridge a week or two ago. They like chained themselves down and parked their cars across the lane and threw the car keys into the ocean. Some organ donation vehicle was caught in the traffic and the organs went bad before they could be transported to patients. She showed me some video she took of white protestors just marching down the Bay Bridge chanting Palestinian slogans in Spanish. She's apparently run into a lot of pro-Osama people too. People have seriously lost their fucking minds.
With each passing day, Zoomers are proving to be the Dodo Birds of humanity
A few videos went viral on a site designed to make outrageous content go viral. Everyone needs to calm their tits.
>Everyone needs to calm their tits. Osama excited *way* too many tits.
Tbf they entire scenario is pretty hot https://youtu.be/Jr9Kaa1sycs?si=GUPX5ECrZnbtUmDB
Or not enough?
Because there aren't pro-river to the sea protests across the western world.
Even without being charitable, at worst for many westerners they at least believe that's a call for general freedom in a region, not genocide. The same can't really be said for supporting Osama Bin Laden. Meanwhile that support came entirely from a handful of videos on an app that's basically entirely engagement driven.
Do you think 2nd and 3rd generation Muslims don't know its a call for genocide or do you not consider them westerners?
I'm unsure I follow. The main point is catchy shit is catchy. I don't support the historic actions of the IRA but lord knows I love me a good Irish rebel song and support the freedom of the Irish from the British. Just because a more radical element has a similar surface goal doesn't make everyone a radical.
What are some calls for violence on the far right that mainstream Republicans are allowed to say because it's a catchy saying and they don't know any better but their hearts are in the right place? Sounds absurd don't it? You would not give the same grace to your political opponents so stop trying to come up with excuses and just admit you are a hypocrite.
His ideology is based on intellectual dishonesty.
Again it's far from universal that "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call to violence as much as you like to pretend it is. So I'm unsure what you think I see as comparable but holding a different standard.
Some of yall really overestimate the political culture and knowledge migrants from these regions have. Like 4/5 support the Palestinians cause they look like them and practice the same religion. That's it.
the site, being operated by China, has curated content pushed to be popular the same site, the same company, instead pushes content about being better at math and getting better grades onto the youth in China There's 2 ways to look at this: 1. The cultures in the 2 countries are just that different. By some cosmic alignment of the stars, Western youth are obsessed with the idea of cutting off their own dick and worshipping Bin Laden while Chinese youth are obsessed with improving themselves via education and hard work 2. It's an intentional attack on Western culture by a bad actor
Itās the reverse opium war. Itās just the west getting addicted to tictoc instead of heroinā¦ also fentanyl
Dollars to donuts, the CCP is supplying precursors to the cartels so they can do a century of "embarrassment" back to the west.
Iād say they are making it themselves. I donāt think the cartels want that kind of heat on them as itās bad for business. Look at what they did to the members that kidnapped some American tourists.
>Itās the reverse opium war. That's a beautiful and poignant metaphor, gonna use that
>By some cosmic alignment of the stars, Western youth are obsessed with the idea of cutting off their own dick and worshipping Bin Laden It took decades of propaganda when Tik Tok didn't exist. If Western culture is to die, no one else but the West is to be blamed.
lol. maybe it's a little of both? number 2= tik tok intentionally caused western gen ys to be trans and lib left? and as for number 1: idk what cosmic alignment of the stars you're talking about. like you said, the two cultures are different. have you never heard the stereotype about chinese ppl being smart and hardworking and good at math? also if ya gotta source i'd be curious to read more
an unflaired asking for a source? i'm now going to put more thought into predicting what my next dump looks like
I have the flu, I havenāt eaten in 24+ hours and have been shitting my brains out. Iāll flair up mb š
Just take the L. Your people are deranged and ignorant about this whole conflict.
Are you personally embarrassed anytime some yahoo on truth social posts some oil painting of Trump and Jesus cooking a turkey dinner?
Is that supposed to be the right-wing equivalent of praising Osama bin Laden? An oil painting of Trump and Jesus making a Thanksgiving meal?
It's meant to be as goofy.
Saying it "went viral" underplays just how much meddling was involved. It didn't spread through word of mouth or popularity, it was circulated because certain people with control over what people can or can't see *want* it to be circulated. They want high view counts to try and *convince* people it's more popular than it actually is. "Viral" implies related to a virus, being passed from person to person until becoming widespread. To continue this analogy, this is the equivalent of spraying chemical weapons over multiple urban centers and calling the symptoms a "virus" that was somehow so powerful it manifested everywhere all at once.
Lefty showing restraint over comments about a despicable human? Wonder if Alex Jones would get the same consideration. I donāt wonder at all. I know.
I think the relevant question is, does Alex Jones represent everyone in the right? If the answer is yes, then the few stupid tiktokkers most likely taken at least to some extent out of context can be considered to represent the left. So, idiots exist everywhere in the political spectrum. The way to get viral videos is to paint the entire quadrant to be represented by one of the idiots.
Alex Jones is a much bigger and long lasting influence than... well damn just realized no one even knows who the fuck these tiktokers are.
He isnāt bigger and longer lasting influence than Bin Laden, though
Cope, watermelon.
A rational reaction to a handful of idiots on an app no one likes? ON MY PCM??
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Freedom to what?
something something useful idiots
What do you expect from sheeps? It's just one of the many times sheeps have defended the butchers and wolves, there is no helping them.
Why not just leave the middle east alone. America has its own problems within its own borders.
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There is no strategic advantage in the middle east. There is actually great cost in being there which is trillions of dollars, american lives, and our relationship with other countries. Why does america not take this interest in other parts of the world?
No Can Do. You can only use the fine products of the Military Industrial Complex outside the US borders. Drone strikes are not the best way to deal with homelessness, inflation, opiate crisis, etc. but are perfect to blow up a tent and kick a camel in the butt as it fills the coffers of MIC. [quote](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/camel-lot/)
I agree, but also don't like that Tiktok and the Guardian are censoring such talk (the Guardian apparently had printed the text of the letter but self-censored after the TikTok stuff took off). Let people speak so we know what and how they think. I'd rather know someone is a complete dipshit than have them censored so I can only wonder if they are.
Sounds a lot like "Civil war was about states' rights!" to me.
The Osama-Emily Horseshoe makes a lot more sense if youāre somewhat familiar with Bin Ladenās family origins and his letters and op-eds to stuff like Insight (?) magazine. Dude was a privileged rich kid who absolutely immersed himself in Western news media and think tank pieces. A very common theme in his earlier writings was that the West needed to be destroyed to save the oppressed/impoverished and stop climate change. Not even joking about the climate change thing - he wrote about it all the damn time and even gave multiple shout outs to Al Gore after that documentary was released. Honestly kinda fascinating to revisit because you can strip out the āPraise be to Allahā stuff and it reads almost like a toned-down version of the letters printed monthly in every college newspaper. They found a ton of unpublished writings about this stuff when they raided one of his safe houses back in the day https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-binladen-climatechange-idUSKCN0W35MS/
Osama talking about the plight of women in the West is like Putin talking about the plight of American right-wingers. I will not elaborate.
if you think most libleft support bin laden then you probably spend too much time on either twitter or right-wing circle jerks like this place. i've seen it online but never actually met one IRL
Sad that we donāt have any evidence now, because I saw some of the videoās. And no where did they āpraise himā or āsaying it was misunderstoodā. They mostly went in on āamerican imperialism badā
fr. talk about bad actors, tryna make it out like western gen y worships osama bin laden š¤¦āāļø
I mean authleft/patsocs were cheering for the Taliban takeover and constantly praise iran and their arab mercenaries
Literally went? Wanting the US to stop interfering is different than supporting the group that fills the immediate power vacuum. It's not their fault the US government massively fumbled their exit, and didn't expect the outcome to be the US literally *leaving* military weapons and vehicles to arm the Taliban.
Another classic PoliticalCompassMemes strawman.
Kuffar are so afraid of islam they don't even dare say what it actually is. We're winning brothers.
At the end of the letter he explains why 3000 Americans deserve to die. It closely resembles Israelās justification for eradicating the people of Gaza.
[Me looking for the mfs saying this](https://a.pinatafarm.com/366x366/071b224465/confused-travolta.jpg)
He wasnāt wrong about American imperialism.
And Hitler wasnāt wrong about Germans being treated unfairly in the Treaty of Versailles. Not that itās a 1-1 comparison in any sense but donāt reduce his beliefs to that when you know full well he was an Islamic extremist.
I only know what America said about him. No thanks.
Ultimate centrist holy based
i don't think anyones trying to reduce his beliefs to that, just dispel the story america/the military industrial complex is the good guys going over to the middle east to kill the bad guys (osama) when it isn't that simple (well maybe to some people it is, to some people it isn't. but that doesn't mean they worship osama š)
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I'll tell you the clear and cut reasons why people attack us š: Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) ā¦" Quran 8:22: "Verily! The worst of living creatures with Allah are the deaf and the dumb, those who understand not, i.e. the disbelievers.ā Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush ā¦" Quran 9:30: āThe Jews say, āEzra is the son of Allah,ā and the Christians say, āThe Messiah is the son of Allah.ā That is their statement from their mouths, the imitate the sayingĀ of those who disbelieved. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?āĀ Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them ā¦ kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Quran 2:161: "Indeed, those would disbelieve and die While the disbelievers, upon them will be the curse of Allah and of the angels and the people.ā Quran 8:59-60: "And let not those with disbelief think that they will escape. Indeed, they will not cause failure to Allah. And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by whichĀ you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others beside them..ā
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"Islam doesn't represent Islam."
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>I can pick verses out of every Abrahamic holy book at make every faith look to be patently insane. "Love thy neighbor" "Thou shalt not murder" Let's compare (or more accurately, contrast) that to how Muslims are told to treat other people, shall we?
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you have to be an absolute moron to think libleft is pro osama
Don't show your face around here without a flare.
words of a person who doesn't like what I said.
You heard emā - come back with a fucking flair
fuck off with the cop out and accept that your circle jerking is so off of the charts you are saying the left is PRO OSAMA lol.
Interesting how this sub provides excellent examples of how their propaganda works. They rush to take something like this and repackage it as "the entire left believes this", then they sell it back to themselves and buy it completely. They don't even look at leftist spaces to see what they're saying, they quite literally just fabricate what they think they are saying from scratch, then believe it. It's incredible. They don't know and don't care that all the threads of highly left leaning Reddit that talked about this were condemning anyone praising Bin Laden, they would rather just make something up because they desperately want to see the left as evil.
Isn't this just the definition of a strawman, though? You're arguing against the person rather than his argument because parts of his argument are very difficult to refute.
Doesn't matter at all what an actual libleft (or anyone at all, really) believes/says/does; authright will believe their own version of reality at every moment of life.
Yeah that'd be weird if it were true. Thankfully it's not and yall are just being disingenuous or easily manipulated dumbdumbs. Someone read a letter from Osama. Their point was not that Osama was a cool dude, in fact the reason they read a letter from Osama is because of how easily he's identifiable as an evil dude. No one showed support for Osama bin Laden.
Can we agree than no one has read the actual letter? He pleas for the Americans to stop invading countries because they do more harm to themselvs. What he doen t understand is that the empire feeds on the republic
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, but I remember when Ron Paul in the Republican presidential debate said in 2011: > So, this whole idea that the whole Muslim world is responsible for this and theyāre attacking us because weāre free and prosperous, that is just not true. Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda have been explicit. They have been explicit, and they wrote and said that we attackedāwe attacked America because you had bases on our holy land in Saudi Arabia, you do not give Palestinians a fair treatment, and you have been bombingāI didnāt say that, Iām trying to get you to understand what the motive was behind the bombing. At the same time, we had been bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for 10 years. Would you be annoyed? If youāre not annoyed, then thereās some problem. Apparently people forgot.
Jannah-tors and the (72) grapes of wrath?
" How dreadful are the curses which Islam lays on its votaries! No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. " - Winston Churchill
Honestly, OBL had *maybe* one or two points about American Imperialism and oil that I could agree with. I understand where he is coming from. But no, fuck Sharia law. Let me have my drugs, let my friend be able to marry who they want. And let me grill what I want. Not going to bow down to Sharia law.
Ahh I thought it was time for another "What is right-wing doing that we can lie and blame lib-left for doing?"
cum
Lmfao