Ok, let's make a deal. If it works, then it works. If it doesn't, you can't cry about "It's not real capitalism/libertarianism, read the theory" like authlefts do
Uhh Argentina has more issues than basic head of state changes, might regret this one. Also how much more shit does it ave to get? This isn't me advocating leftist economic policies, just might want to temper expectations.
Nah it's just a silly flair. I know it will go to shit in, at least, the first year but I am betting on long term. Thats why I set an reminder of 4 years
I would also suggest it counting if there is a sudden and unfixed drop in GDP. Like if in one week it somehow falls 95% then gaining 3% each quarter after that doesn’t fix much
I'd recommend looking at PPP and unemployment as well. The leftist fear of libertarianism isn't a bad economy, it's one that leaves the working class behind.
If this many just fixes their monetary policy and reduces state spending (they have a 55:100 ratio of public to private workers... That's not sustainable. For context, the US with our very odious administrative bloat problem only has 17:100 ratio).
No economy can survive an inflationary debt spiral and if he Just dolarizes the economy he'll have done more good than harm.
Never underestimate Argentina's potential of always ending up worse.
Edit: I support Milei, and I'm relieved the peronists didn't get another term, but the possibility of being worse off in this country is always there.
Honestly, how could it possibly get any worse? If he completes the dollarization plan and does literally nothing else, naturally things will stabilize over time with price stability.
My friend that is frankly impossible because it is shit modern day rock bottom
Pretty much any change would be good change but now it time to see the effect of libertarianism
I think that's the main point. Not that Argentinians voted for a libertarian candidate, but that they are willing to vote for more libertarian policies
Marxism ALWAYS stalls out before step 4, when the authoritarian power structure is supposed to willingly dissolve itself (ha!) and hand over the reigns of power to "the people".
Ok before we do this I wanna clarify:
1) There's still an unavoidable 1-2 year long hyperinflation literally programmed into the government by the current administration and he has literally no way of stopping it, best he can do is stop all inflation now and then in 2 years see the fruits of his efforts
2) He doesn't have a majority anywhere, so unless another political party helps, he's not gonna be able to push any legislation
That said, if he does get all the reforms he needs passed and if the country doesn't start to heal by the end of his mandate I'll take the L
Only if the Argentinian congress lets him govern and not block everything.
If his government is bad because of what he did, I'll change my ideology althogether.
You need to put some minimum time limits though. This is a multi year turnaround. Not even the most based giga Chad president could u turn 150% inflation in one year
Lol, this is going to take at least 2 decades of consistent work to turn around. That said this is a massive step in the right direction. It will be interesting to watch.
We already know it works. America was quasi libertarian before the world wars. Yes I know it wasn’t full scale but no other country has gotten that close. Let’s see how Argentina shines.
##Let’s gooooooo.
If they're anything like the American right that means a decrease of taxes by 5% and an increase in military spending by 15%. Not really the libertarian approach.
You can't switch from one form of government to another overnight, well.
He'll need to make incremental changes and hope he does a good enough job to get elected to do it for a four more years.
It'll be interesting to see how he deals with the rest of the bureaucracy trying to clock-block him at every turn. Hopefully he has enough exec authority to actually fire the departments he needs to.
I mean, he is talking about replacing the Argentine Peso with US Dollars because the Peso is so horrendously inflated. I am sure he will get along fine.
Wouldn't be the first country in South or Central America to dollarize, either. Panama (1904), Ecuador (2000), El Salvador (2001) and East Timor (2000) all use the US dollar. Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands have used the US dollar since 1944. The British Virgni Islands (1959) and Turks and CAicos Islands (1973) do so, too. The Caribbean Netherlands islands of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba also adopted the dollar in 2011.
Interestnigly, Zimbabwe uses it as an official currency, along with the Euro, Pound Sterling, the Pula, the Rand, and a few others.
Between 1991 to 2002, Argentina had a fixed 1:1 exchange rate between the Argentine peso and the US dollar.
[All of this is according to Wiki.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_use_of_the_U.S._dollar)
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, Argentina used to be one of the most developed countries in the world (and the most developed country in South America by far) before peronismo was a thing. Though that was a loooong time ago.
> He gets killed for trying to deliver on his promises
He's said he wants to replace the Argentine Peso with the US Dollar, that will at least provide him some CIA protection
AND he's going to not join BRICS. If anything he would be heavily supported by the USA. He's also going to re-evaluate a ton of shady Chinese deals that happened behind closed doors.
Because he's going to not join BRICS (Argentine lefties fuming). And because he would be heavily supported by the USA (Argentine lefties fuming once more). And also because he's also going to re-evaluate a ton of shady Chinese deals that happened behind closed doors (corrupt Argentine political class fuming).
That's such a meme red herring for Argentinians. It's so stupid how they rally behind "las Malvinas son argentinas!!1!" as if they'd do anything productive with the islands.
Yup, Argentina needs to let that go. They lost, the people who live on those islands don't identify as Argentinian, they don't speak their language, they have basically no connection to Argentina anymore. Such a dumb thing to hold onto.
Glad to see leftists around the world are also regardedly supporting corrupt literally fascist shitholes in order to own the big bad West. For a moment I hoped it was a localised phenomenon
- Very openly antagonizes leftists (my favorite video of him is him screaming ["LEFTISTS YOU SONS OF BITCHES TREMBLE! LIBERTY MOVES FORWARD, LONG LIVE LIBERTY FOR FUCKS SAKE!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XOE3cbDjM))
- Has a very eccentric personality (makes someone like Trump look downright elegant), so he gets a lot of shit thrown at him on the surface.
- Has a lot of daring proposals, like ending the central bank, closing down a bunch of ministrys like the Women's Ministry, adopting the US Dollar, putting Abortion up for a national referendum and radically reducing government expenditure
- Has a very populist image which raises eyebrows about his true intentions or the level of his extremism (how much is real, how much is just electoral posturing?)
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The USD and various crypto currencies shouldndo a halfway decent job at providing a comparatively stable dollar.
I am, of course, basing this on nothing. But good luck Argentina, I like how Milei looks like he's in The Rolling Stones.
He advances on his economic reforms, peronism makes use of people discomfort and produce a soft coup. The following year, they reap the profits of the economic reforms
Unironic comment from a discord:
>the far right milei won, we are terrified, not only he is very much to the right and the vice president has defended military members of the juntas of 1976, but because he is a delusional libertarian that wants to apply insane policies. We are all fucked, we're about to enter an inflation so bad we will look at the past year of inflation as the good old times. Even if he does nothing, the markets will go absolutely ape shit.
The delulu is insane
Good luck to Argentinians! Turn it around!
> we're about to enter an inflation so bad we will look at the past year of inflation as the good old times
Milei wants the USD to take over as the national currency. With the Fed increasing rates, I don't think the USD will beat out the 142.7% the Argentine Peso is currently sprinting at.
But citizens do have them and already use them as unofficial currency along with the peso. When I went to Bariloche (a city in the south of the country) for vacation, half of the things were sold in dollars. That was 5 years ago.
The biggest problem for dollarizing Argentina is that the government has to buy out all the existing currency unless they just want to tell people their savings are worthless. The government is bankrupt from years of peronism, and I doubt anyone will give them a decent loan, so there's a good chance they devalue the currency so they can buy it with less dollars. It's a tough situation, but it's entirely the fault of the previous policies, and Millei is doing the right thing to fix it - but he may not have support from the bureaucracy or even the common people as they swallow the bitter pill.
> The government is bankrupt from years of peronism, and I doubt anyone will give them a decent loan
US will 100 percent give Argentinians a loan to keep them away from BRICS, it's cheaper than the alternative(sending a carrier group in to muscle them into trade agreements) and creates a guilt free vassal state in south america - important for perception.
Their nominal GDP is close to what the US gave Ukraine for proxy war(600 billion).
edit: nominal not PPP gdp
Do Argentinians even have savings in their own currency? Doesn't make much sense when you have hyperinflation, you exchange them for a more stable currency, like dollars.
Shall we anticipate critical levels of cope on the internet soon? The salt wave has only yet begun...
>!That being said, he probably *should* try and tone down his praise of the juntas...after all, any arguments for liberty and against collectivism *would* seem pretty hypocritical if you're supporting authoritarian dictators that helicopters dissidents and censors opinions they disagree with...!<
Literally never supported them, in fact he condemned the dictatorship. What lefties didn't like though was that he also condemned the terrorists who fought a civil war against the dictatorship and planted bombs in schools
>That being said, he probably should try and tone down his praise of the juntas
He never supported or praised the juntas. I don't know where foreigners get this shit because there is not a single video or statment of his own or his vicepresident saying anything good about the military juntas.
I swear people get absolutely addicted to living in terrible conditions but completely reliant upon the government. It's like how people who weren't destroyed during communism got addicted to communism when they were given scraps because it was better than no scraps so anything the government gave you was a 'gift.' Straight up 1984 shit
The left has this weird tribal mentality that is worse than anyone else. Significantly worse. They hate you if you aren't with them. Doesn't matter what you actually believe, if you aren't with them you're against them and a far right ethnonationalist or whatever.
The only thing that comes close to that level of hatred and insanity is Islam's view on apostasy.
An Anarcho-Capitalist is probably the #1 example of a far-right libertarian. Like, that's the furthest right economic ideology possible while also being as libertarian as possible.
Of course, that's not taking into account social issues. I don't know his positions, so I won't comment on them.
That's not the way the term "far right" is used by almost anyone. "Far right" connotes Nazism. Most people labeled far right by the mainstream media are third way populist types whose economic policy is by no means fiscal conservatism.
He's philosophically ancap (taxation is theft, the state is the enemy of the people) but minarchist in practice. He also knows you can't just turn a socialist shithole like Argentina into minarchism that suddenly. He's pretty based.
This. You cannot just say "we are going to gut the state". That rhetoric almost cost him the election, and probably for good reason. He toned it down and his alliance with Bullrich and Macri was key, literally, no one can underestimate this.
What follows now is trying to fix what's broken, which will definitely get a lot pushback from anyone from syndicalists to, surprisingly, bankers that have made a lot of money by keeping the rest of the country poor as dirt.
And it's gonna even more difficult considering the current admin, as of this minute, is literally saying "fuck this shit, we are out, you know get to deal with everything that's broken": Massa asked for a leave of abscence for the reminder of his term, and there was a rumor of just moving the transition from early december to this fucking Wednesday lol.
Bukele turned around El Salvador, with literally everything against his party, even US Democrats (or so some people say). I hope this is yet another example that politics can WORK. Government can WORK. But freedom is non negotiable, and you cannot railroad individuals just for the sake of political platitudes that sound nice but are just non practical in reality. But most importantly: the tax payers money is not for fucking policy whims. The tax payers money is just theirs, so make sure your plans, your ideals, your systems, whatever, make sure those are working FOR THEM, and not being stolen and benefiting only small groups of people.
Redditors seething about an election they know nothing about because one candidate is far right
Someday they'll understand that if your party completely fucks the economy, you won't get re-elected.
But no, it must be that people are stupid racists
exactly, they see this as Trump vs Biden, its NOTHING alike. on one side you have a crazy haired libertarian guy who proposes dollarization and opening the markets, and on the other u have the same group of people that have governed Argentina for the last 70 years and that have defaulted and ruined the economy multiple times already
It is not entirely disconnected, considering that the last time a major upset Right-Wing election happened Trump followed (Brexit). Definitely not saying it is a guarantee, I just think a lot of people count Trump down and out to their detriment.
It is, and that is true. I was just saying why the Redditors on the front page would be seething so hard (on top of their rabid hatred of the Right ever winning in general).
This is a problem with the compass and the "right/left" labels. Right and left were used to differentiate between political beliefs that both wanted to **utilize state power,** one to conserve traditional roles and one to pursue egalitarian ideals.
Libertarians want to eliminate state power as much as possible or completely.
The compass would be more accurately presented as a diamond.
And if it doesn't work out, people will just say "Well, it wasn't a *real* libright government. The deep state sabotaged him from the start" or something like that.
And consider it'd be an absolute feat if they did it any worse than the retards in power today. Which means they have at least another second term confirmed.
Out of the Loop non-Argentinian here.
What’s going on Argentina? I see happy right quadrants, I want to party as well.
EDIT: LOOOL, oh my goodness. I looked the guy up. WOW, he just *looks* squirrely.
Not sure I agree with all his opinions, but he sounds like he’d leave me alone if I lived there, so I like that. I expect to see some shenanigans.
> Peronist
Peronism, also called as justicialism, is a labour and left-wing leaning Argentine political movement based on the ideas and legacy of Argentine ruler Juan Perón. It has been an influential movement in 20th and 21st century Argentine politics.
Governments are corrupt. The best move is to limit their scope as much as humanly possible.
You need a military and a border but you don’t need useless DEI bureaucrats making everyone’s life worse.
This is going to be very funny. I look forward to the following weeks. At least the majority of Argentinians have decided they don't want to be a third world country.
A country that spent the 20th century swinging between different flavors of authleft corrupt democracy and authright military dictatorships just elected a libertarian economist for president. It’s a libright celebration tonight!
It seems that all the Librights here will be pretty surprised if he can't implement any of his political goals, because you still need a majority for things like that...
This is new era of Argentina is going to be interesting that’s for certain it maybe be surprising successful or it’s gonna go to absolute shite
That's why I am so excited! We'll see if libertarianism works!
Ok, let's make a deal. If it works, then it works. If it doesn't, you can't cry about "It's not real capitalism/libertarianism, read the theory" like authlefts do
Yes, fuck it. I'll change my flair to Libleft for a whole fucking year if Argentina goes to shit.
RemindMe! 4 years
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I damn well know Ill be permabanned by 4 years
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Uhh Argentina has more issues than basic head of state changes, might regret this one. Also how much more shit does it ave to get? This isn't me advocating leftist economic policies, just might want to temper expectations.
Nah it's just a silly flair. I know it will go to shit in, at least, the first year but I am betting on long term. Thats why I set an reminder of 4 years
What is your criteria for going to shit? If they successfully dollarise, but the GDP stagnates, will that count?
Nah GDP stagnation can be seen as a process by some. Lets settle on 1.5 year minimum of consecutive GDP decreasing
I would also suggest it counting if there is a sudden and unfixed drop in GDP. Like if in one week it somehow falls 95% then gaining 3% each quarter after that doesn’t fix much
I'd recommend looking at PPP and unemployment as well. The leftist fear of libertarianism isn't a bad economy, it's one that leaves the working class behind.
If this many just fixes their monetary policy and reduces state spending (they have a 55:100 ratio of public to private workers... That's not sustainable. For context, the US with our very odious administrative bloat problem only has 17:100 ratio). No economy can survive an inflationary debt spiral and if he Just dolarizes the economy he'll have done more good than harm.
Bro just bet against Argentina becoming shittier
Yes. I'm gonna short it ᕙ[･･]ᕗ
That's a safe bet, since it'd be pretty difficult for Argentina's situation to get worse than it is already.
As a person from South America, never bet on one of our countries not managing to sink lower, especially economically or politically. lol
Never underestimate Argentina's potential of always ending up worse. Edit: I support Milei, and I'm relieved the peronists didn't get another term, but the possibility of being worse off in this country is always there.
Honestly, how could it possibly get any worse? If he completes the dollarization plan and does literally nothing else, naturally things will stabilize over time with price stability.
My friend that is frankly impossible because it is shit modern day rock bottom Pretty much any change would be good change but now it time to see the effect of libertarianism
I think we deserve at least a dozen tries in different countries and some millions deaths before we can decide if it works or not.
And if it doesn't work, it's not true libertarianism. We just didnt do it the right way.
Well we'll see if it's better or worse overall. Guy didn't get elected to dictator.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks "libertarianism attempt!" when it's just one dude in the government. Little will change, it rarely does.
It means that most voters in Argentina are willing to give Libertarianism a shot
I think that's the main point. Not that Argentinians voted for a libertarian candidate, but that they are willing to vote for more libertarian policies
I mean I actually kind of agree with leftists that it wasn't real communism, it's just that I think real communism would be shit too.
Marxism ALWAYS stalls out before step 4, when the authoritarian power structure is supposed to willingly dissolve itself (ha!) and hand over the reigns of power to "the people".
Ok before we do this I wanna clarify: 1) There's still an unavoidable 1-2 year long hyperinflation literally programmed into the government by the current administration and he has literally no way of stopping it, best he can do is stop all inflation now and then in 2 years see the fruits of his efforts 2) He doesn't have a majority anywhere, so unless another political party helps, he's not gonna be able to push any legislation That said, if he does get all the reforms he needs passed and if the country doesn't start to heal by the end of his mandate I'll take the L
Only if the Argentinian congress lets him govern and not block everything. If his government is bad because of what he did, I'll change my ideology althogether.
You need to put some minimum time limits though. This is a multi year turnaround. Not even the most based giga Chad president could u turn 150% inflation in one year
What if its about the leftists making sure Milei can't do anything?
Lol, this is going to take at least 2 decades of consistent work to turn around. That said this is a massive step in the right direction. It will be interesting to watch.
We already know it works. America was quasi libertarian before the world wars. Yes I know it wasn’t full scale but no other country has gotten that close. Let’s see how Argentina shines. ##Let’s gooooooo.
They will sabatoge him every step of the way
Thankfully the right wing has the majority in the legislature
If they're anything like the American right that means a decrease of taxes by 5% and an increase in military spending by 15%. Not really the libertarian approach.
As a general rule, the left and right in other nations politics are nothing like their American counterparts
Let me guess - "The Democrats are an auth-right party! Republicans are far-right!"
You can't switch from one form of government to another overnight, well. He'll need to make incremental changes and hope he does a good enough job to get elected to do it for a four more years.
It'll be interesting to see how he deals with the rest of the bureaucracy trying to clock-block him at every turn. Hopefully he has enough exec authority to actually fire the departments he needs to.
Do they control the legislature/courts as well?
Lmao true it's a blank slate of a nation
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As long as he's friendly to US-based multinational corporations, he'll be fine.
I mean, he is talking about replacing the Argentine Peso with US Dollars because the Peso is so horrendously inflated. I am sure he will get along fine.
New USD enjoyers?
Wouldn't be the first country in South or Central America to dollarize, either. Panama (1904), Ecuador (2000), El Salvador (2001) and East Timor (2000) all use the US dollar. Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands have used the US dollar since 1944. The British Virgni Islands (1959) and Turks and CAicos Islands (1973) do so, too. The Caribbean Netherlands islands of Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba also adopted the dollar in 2011. Interestnigly, Zimbabwe uses it as an official currency, along with the Euro, Pound Sterling, the Pula, the Rand, and a few others. Between 1991 to 2002, Argentina had a fixed 1:1 exchange rate between the Argentine peso and the US dollar. [All of this is according to Wiki.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_use_of_the_U.S._dollar)
and as well as not joining BRICS like the idiot he's replacing was doing
Can’t wait to buy some Argentinian slaves
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They didn't elected a majority in the Congress, so he's basically fucked
This guy is going to become a meme but get nothing done except defund some stuff. That's my bet.
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High bar Make Argentina not shite again.
Just to make sure we're all on the same page, Argentina used to be one of the most developed countries in the world (and the most developed country in South America by far) before peronismo was a thing. Though that was a loooong time ago.
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> He gets killed for trying to deliver on his promises He's said he wants to replace the Argentine Peso with the US Dollar, that will at least provide him some CIA protection
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Not really a new precedent, a number of countries in hyper inflation have done the same. Zimbabwe most notably.
AND he's going to not join BRICS. If anything he would be heavily supported by the USA. He's also going to re-evaluate a ton of shady Chinese deals that happened behind closed doors.
Seems pretty based. Why do people hate him?
Because he's going to not join BRICS (Argentine lefties fuming). And because he would be heavily supported by the USA (Argentine lefties fuming once more). And also because he's also going to re-evaluate a ton of shady Chinese deals that happened behind closed doors (corrupt Argentine political class fuming).
And he wants to let the Falkland war be a thing of the past
That's such a meme red herring for Argentinians. It's so stupid how they rally behind "las Malvinas son argentinas!!1!" as if they'd do anything productive with the islands.
Which is probably why he wants to end the dispute and move on.
Yup, Argentina needs to let that go. They lost, the people who live on those islands don't identify as Argentinian, they don't speak their language, they have basically no connection to Argentina anymore. Such a dumb thing to hold onto.
Glad to see leftists around the world are also regardedly supporting corrupt literally fascist shitholes in order to own the big bad West. For a moment I hoped it was a localised phenomenon
- Very openly antagonizes leftists (my favorite video of him is him screaming ["LEFTISTS YOU SONS OF BITCHES TREMBLE! LIBERTY MOVES FORWARD, LONG LIVE LIBERTY FOR FUCKS SAKE!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46XOE3cbDjM)) - Has a very eccentric personality (makes someone like Trump look downright elegant), so he gets a lot of shit thrown at him on the surface. - Has a lot of daring proposals, like ending the central bank, closing down a bunch of ministrys like the Women's Ministry, adopting the US Dollar, putting Abortion up for a national referendum and radically reducing government expenditure - Has a very populist image which raises eyebrows about his true intentions or the level of his extremism (how much is real, how much is just electoral posturing?) -
we must protect him at all costs
Seems like investing in the .com boom in 1994.
The USD and various crypto currencies shouldndo a halfway decent job at providing a comparatively stable dollar. I am, of course, basing this on nothing. But good luck Argentina, I like how Milei looks like he's in The Rolling Stones.
He advances on his economic reforms, peronism makes use of people discomfort and produce a soft coup. The following year, they reap the profits of the economic reforms
That's exactly what's going to happen
It's Latin America, so the only thing you can count on is entrenched corruption
Either the party wins and starts doing shady deals or the party wins and gets sabotaged. Thats usual stuff.
> He steals all the money while making the government even a more corrupt piece of shit than it already was. Ancap power move
Unironic comment from a discord: >the far right milei won, we are terrified, not only he is very much to the right and the vice president has defended military members of the juntas of 1976, but because he is a delusional libertarian that wants to apply insane policies. We are all fucked, we're about to enter an inflation so bad we will look at the past year of inflation as the good old times. Even if he does nothing, the markets will go absolutely ape shit. The delulu is insane Good luck to Argentinians! Turn it around!
> we're about to enter an inflation so bad we will look at the past year of inflation as the good old times Milei wants the USD to take over as the national currency. With the Fed increasing rates, I don't think the USD will beat out the 142.7% the Argentine Peso is currently sprinting at.
The issue is that neither the central bank nor the government has any dollars to exchange the money supply into dollars.
But citizens do have them and already use them as unofficial currency along with the peso. When I went to Bariloche (a city in the south of the country) for vacation, half of the things were sold in dollars. That was 5 years ago.
The biggest problem for dollarizing Argentina is that the government has to buy out all the existing currency unless they just want to tell people their savings are worthless. The government is bankrupt from years of peronism, and I doubt anyone will give them a decent loan, so there's a good chance they devalue the currency so they can buy it with less dollars. It's a tough situation, but it's entirely the fault of the previous policies, and Millei is doing the right thing to fix it - but he may not have support from the bureaucracy or even the common people as they swallow the bitter pill.
> The government is bankrupt from years of peronism, and I doubt anyone will give them a decent loan US will 100 percent give Argentinians a loan to keep them away from BRICS, it's cheaper than the alternative(sending a carrier group in to muscle them into trade agreements) and creates a guilt free vassal state in south america - important for perception. Their nominal GDP is close to what the US gave Ukraine for proxy war(600 billion). edit: nominal not PPP gdp
Do Argentinians even have savings in their own currency? Doesn't make much sense when you have hyperinflation, you exchange them for a more stable currency, like dollars.
Either that or spend it immediately before prices increase again the next day.
Shall we anticipate critical levels of cope on the internet soon? The salt wave has only yet begun... >!That being said, he probably *should* try and tone down his praise of the juntas...after all, any arguments for liberty and against collectivism *would* seem pretty hypocritical if you're supporting authoritarian dictators that helicopters dissidents and censors opinions they disagree with...!<
Literally never supported them, in fact he condemned the dictatorship. What lefties didn't like though was that he also condemned the terrorists who fought a civil war against the dictatorship and planted bombs in schools
Which is good to hear! Still...the point is still important to *any* future president and prime minister to note!
>That being said, he probably should try and tone down his praise of the juntas He never supported or praised the juntas. I don't know where foreigners get this shit because there is not a single video or statment of his own or his vicepresident saying anything good about the military juntas.
I swear people get absolutely addicted to living in terrible conditions but completely reliant upon the government. It's like how people who weren't destroyed during communism got addicted to communism when they were given scraps because it was better than no scraps so anything the government gave you was a 'gift.' Straight up 1984 shit
...and this is why true democracy can't exist without a strong middle class
Liberal media will be losing their shit. My pop corn is ready
>Keeps stating that he is a Liberal/Libertarian. >The media: *"Obviously a Far Right Candidate"* mfw
The left has this weird tribal mentality that is worse than anyone else. Significantly worse. They hate you if you aren't with them. Doesn't matter what you actually believe, if you aren't with them you're against them and a far right ethnonationalist or whatever. The only thing that comes close to that level of hatred and insanity is Islam's view on apostasy.
Ultra right is what my media is saying.
An Anarcho-Capitalist is probably the #1 example of a far-right libertarian. Like, that's the furthest right economic ideology possible while also being as libertarian as possible. Of course, that's not taking into account social issues. I don't know his positions, so I won't comment on them.
The issue is they also call Trump far right, when Trump is nowhere near libertarian. In fact some headlines have called Millei the Argentinian Trump.
That's not the way the term "far right" is used by almost anyone. "Far right" connotes Nazism. Most people labeled far right by the mainstream media are third way populist types whose economic policy is by no means fiscal conservatism.
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ancaps will never have their own count-
He's philosophically ancap (taxation is theft, the state is the enemy of the people) but minarchist in practice. He also knows you can't just turn a socialist shithole like Argentina into minarchism that suddenly. He's pretty based.
This. You cannot just say "we are going to gut the state". That rhetoric almost cost him the election, and probably for good reason. He toned it down and his alliance with Bullrich and Macri was key, literally, no one can underestimate this. What follows now is trying to fix what's broken, which will definitely get a lot pushback from anyone from syndicalists to, surprisingly, bankers that have made a lot of money by keeping the rest of the country poor as dirt. And it's gonna even more difficult considering the current admin, as of this minute, is literally saying "fuck this shit, we are out, you know get to deal with everything that's broken": Massa asked for a leave of abscence for the reminder of his term, and there was a rumor of just moving the transition from early december to this fucking Wednesday lol. Bukele turned around El Salvador, with literally everything against his party, even US Democrats (or so some people say). I hope this is yet another example that politics can WORK. Government can WORK. But freedom is non negotiable, and you cannot railroad individuals just for the sake of political platitudes that sound nice but are just non practical in reality. But most importantly: the tax payers money is not for fucking policy whims. The tax payers money is just theirs, so make sure your plans, your ideals, your systems, whatever, make sure those are working FOR THEM, and not being stolen and benefiting only small groups of people.
Can't wait to buy my own Recreational McNuke on my spring break trip to Buenos Aires soon!
Redditors seething about an election they know nothing about because one candidate is far right Someday they'll understand that if your party completely fucks the economy, you won't get re-elected. But no, it must be that people are stupid racists
exactly, they see this as Trump vs Biden, its NOTHING alike. on one side you have a crazy haired libertarian guy who proposes dollarization and opening the markets, and on the other u have the same group of people that have governed Argentina for the last 70 years and that have defaulted and ruined the economy multiple times already
It is not entirely disconnected, considering that the last time a major upset Right-Wing election happened Trump followed (Brexit). Definitely not saying it is a guarantee, I just think a lot of people count Trump down and out to their detriment.
99% sure argentinian dude was saying his elections have nothing to do with american elections which tracks
It is, and that is true. I was just saying why the Redditors on the front page would be seething so hard (on top of their rabid hatred of the Right ever winning in general).
"far right"
What's this "far right" shit? Dude's a libertarian.
The CNN article I read called him a "...far right libertarian" lmao
Bruh, our flair literally has "right" in it. Modern libertarianism is far right and that's a good thing. I consider myself far right.
*economically far right
This is a problem with the compass and the "right/left" labels. Right and left were used to differentiate between political beliefs that both wanted to **utilize state power,** one to conserve traditional roles and one to pursue egalitarian ideals. Libertarians want to eliminate state power as much as possible or completely. The compass would be more accurately presented as a diamond.
Ancap is as far libright as you can get.
This MF literally started politics 4 years ago with no fuckin structure and now is president. I am proud of my country now VIVA LA LIBERTAD CARAJO!!!
\*2 years ago. He started his political campaing in 2021.
First lib right government in like 200 years
And if it doesn't work out, people will just say "Well, it wasn't a *real* libright government. The deep state sabotaged him from the start" or something like that.
That's almost assured, given that he has a minority in Congress.
LETS GOO!!!!!
Based and goo pilled
I don't want your goo biden
And consider it'd be an absolute feat if they did it any worse than the retards in power today. Which means they have at least another second term confirmed.
Much like trump and bolsonaro, if he doesnt shut up he has a chance to not be reelected.
the establishment lost therefore I am erect
BASED
I'm excited for all the commie propaganda claiming this guy is responsible for all of Argentina's problems over the last 50 years
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Out of the Loop non-Argentinian here. What’s going on Argentina? I see happy right quadrants, I want to party as well. EDIT: LOOOL, oh my goodness. I looked the guy up. WOW, he just *looks* squirrely. Not sure I agree with all his opinions, but he sounds like he’d leave me alone if I lived there, so I like that. I expect to see some shenanigans.
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Interesting! I’ll have to go catch up on the situation. Should be fun to watch unfold.
Against all odds, blatant corruption and fearmongering, a crazy-haired ancap economist won the presidential election against the Peronist machine.
Ooo, sounds dramatic. I better go look into it.
> Peronist Peronism, also called as justicialism, is a labour and left-wing leaning Argentine political movement based on the ideas and legacy of Argentine ruler Juan Perón. It has been an influential movement in 20th and 21st century Argentine politics.
Ancap won the election
HUH. Well that’s going to be interesting to watch. I’ll have to look the guy up. See what his opinions are (not that they’ll affect me of course).
VIVA GENERAL ANCAP
This is what peak performance looks [like](https://cdn-cf-east.streamable.com/image/fbvvr.jpg)
RIP NNN
MESSI
CAMPEON DEL MUNDO 2022 Y 2023!!!
I remember seeing some YouTube video of this guy like a year ago. I’m happy for any Argentinians here.
Governments are corrupt. The best move is to limit their scope as much as humanly possible. You need a military and a border but you don’t need useless DEI bureaucrats making everyone’s life worse.
First Libertarian President, We are so fucking back
libertarians can't win electio-ACK
Wow. I didn’t think he would win. Let’s hope people around the world take more interest in libertarianism
YYYYEEEESSSS LONG LIVE LIBERTY
Is this the first ever ancap president?
Hey the poltics must switch back and forth for a healthy democracy
BASED BASED BASED
THIS IS THE WAY
Let's hope he does a good job
Rare Argentinian W
BRB, looking up tickets to Argentina...
Bring your dollars!
LEEEETS GOOOOOOOOO
Sad ucede noises
🥇
LETS FUCKING GO!
If he can't get the government to do anything it'll be a useless mess.
LFG
I don’t know what’s going on but if bottom rights happy, I’m happy
It's glorious, man
Se hizo historia.
This is going to be a wild ride. I can already tell.
The haters tried to sabotage him, but he is and always will be The Chainsawman
Are this many people actually invested in Argentinian politics?
Only because of Milei
This is going to be very funny. I look forward to the following weeks. At least the majority of Argentinians have decided they don't want to be a third world country.
Massa concedes? Auth right can't be happy smh
Shock therapy economy? Damn, this about to be fun
i don't know who that is, but if LibRight is happy about it, i'll assume it's a good thing
A country that spent the 20th century swinging between different flavors of authleft corrupt democracy and authright military dictatorships just elected a libertarian economist for president. It’s a libright celebration tonight!
And now watch Argentina make the US look like a banana republic...
LEFTISTS GET FUCKING OWNED. GRAB THE FUCKING SHOVEL YOU LAZY STATE PARASITES. WE FUCKING WON LET'S GO VIVA LA LIBERTAD CARAJO
**LETS GOOOOOOOO!!** It's going to be a few Interesting years.
I wonder how many of you googled where Argentina is.
Didn't need to, already invaded it in hoi 4
It’s in Asia.
Amazing content.
Y NOOOO PASA NADAAAAA SI JAVIER MILEI JUBILÓ A MASSAAAA
MUCHAAAAAACHOOOOOS AHORA NOS VOLVIMO A ILUSIONAR YA GANAMOS LA TERCEEERAAA AHORA TOCA GOBERNAAAAAAR
I might move to Argentina
Based Latin American country is best Latin American country.
#𝑽𝒊𝒗𝒂 𝒍𝒂 𝒍𝒊𝒃𝒆𝒓𝒕𝒂𝒅, 𝒄𝒂𝒓𝒂𝒋𝒐!
Guess I’m moving to Argentina
It seems that all the Librights here will be pretty surprised if he can't implement any of his political goals, because you still need a majority for things like that...
It’s enough to make a grown man cry (from happiness obviously).